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Andrew Kolvet, executive producer of The Charlie Kirk Show, sits down with the Thought Crime crew, Blake Neff, Jack Posobiec, and Tyler Bowyer, to systematically dismantle the misleading clips and out-of-context statements being used to attack Charlie Kirk's legacy. From the viral DEI pilots controversy to Second Amendment remarks, they provide full context for discussions that originated on their Thursday night show, Thought Crime, where the team tackled forbidden topics with unflinching honesty. The crew explains how Charlie's commitment to meritocracy, colorblind standards, and honest policy discussions made him a target for those who wanted to misrepresent his words, even in death.
Setting the Record Straight
Two weeks after Charlie Kirk's assassination, Andrew Kolvet gathered the Thought Crime crew to address the smears and out-of-context clips circulating about their friend and colleague. The timing felt right—not too soon to appear defensive, but necessary to counter the sustained attacks on Charlie's legacy, particularly from those who couldn't acknowledge his impact without qualification.
The irony wasn't lost on the crew that even Barack Obama, when finally saying Charlie's name, felt compelled to list disagreements—all stemming from Thought Crime episodes. The Thursday night show, featuring Charlie Kirk, Jack Posobiec, Tyler Bowyer, Blake Neff, and occasionally Andrew Kolvet, was designed to tackle forbidden topics, the "verboten" subjects of modern American discourse.
"The whole premise of the show was to talk about the verboten," Andrew explained. "And as soon as we started doing the show, we realized that you're not allowed to have fun anymore in America in 2024. Charlie had become so big that he was looked at as an appendage of the Trump campaign."
The DEI Pilots Controversy
The most viral clip involved Charlie's comments about diversity hiring in airline cockpits. The clip spread to over 22 million views, but crucial context was systematically removed. The discussion originated as a response to United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby's announcement that 50% of new pilot classes would be women or people of color, up from the current 19%.
The critical missing context: only 9% of people training to become pilots are women or people of color, meaning United would need to fill 50% of positions from 9% of the candidate pool. "If you are going to pull 50% of your pilots from 9 or 10% of the population of new pilots, then you're going to have to do something that is not in favor of meritocracy," Andrew noted. "You're going to have to lower your standards to get them."
Charlie's actual statement was conditional: "If I see a black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.' You wouldn't have done that before. That's not who I am. That's not what I believe. It is the reality the left has created." He was describing a thought pattern that DEI quotas force upon people, not expressing personal prejudice.
In a follow-up clarification, Charlie stated: "DEI and affirmative action, what it does is it lowers the merit. It lowers the threshold of standards and increases things that do not matter such as skin color and ethnic background." His argument was simple: you can hire for diversity or you can hire for merit. Those are mutually exclusive options.
Corporate Sabotage and Merit
Tyler Bowyer emphasized that the core issue was corporate sabotage. "It doesn't matter who they were talking about. They could have said that only banana eaters are the only people we'll hire. It wouldn't have mattered what the topic was—corporate sabotage."
The crew stressed that Charlie's vision was always a colorblind society with standards applied equally. "If you go through that, Charlie obviously spends a lot of time talking about clown world, and he's describing the clowns and the clownish behavior," Tyler explained. "But when you actually find the thread that Charlie always pushed for was a colorblind society that said, 'Let the best person be the one who gets the job.'"
Charlie's office wall featured pictures he personally selected, including Clarence Thomas and Dr. Ben Carson. "Charlie was not racist. Did not have a racist bone in his body," Andrew stated emphatically. "If you're good at what you do, he loved it. If you were a good family man, if you were a good father, he loved you and he supported you."
Second Amendment and Honest Policy Discussion
Another widely circulated clip showed Charlie discussing gun deaths as an unfortunate cost of Second Amendment protections. Critics attacked him for this honest assessment, but the crew argued he was doing exactly what responsible leaders should do: honestly evaluating costs and benefits of policy positions.
Charlie's full statement provided crucial context: "We need to be very clear that you're not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. You can significantly reduce them through having more fathers in the home, by having more armed guards in front of schools. We should have an honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence. But we should not have a utopian one."
He continued: "I think it's worth it. I think it's worth having a cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational."
Blake Neff expressed particular frustration with attacks on this clip: "It just disgusts me so much that people are dunking on Charlie over this when he's doing what any reasonable leader, a figure showing leadership should do, which is evaluating the honest costs and benefits of a policy."
Charlie used the analogy of automobiles: 50,000 people die on roads every year, but society has decided the benefits of driving—speed, accessibility, mobility—are worth that cost. He applied the same honest framework to gun rights.
Gun Violence Statistics and Context
The crew noted that most gun deaths occur in specific contexts. Andrew mentioned that Washington, DC had approximately 1,200 murders since 2018, but only 11 victims were white. "Most of that gun death is happening because of gang crime and black-on-black violence. And Charlie was very honest about that fact."
Charlie's own murder was entirely different—a political assassination where he was killed for his beliefs and effectiveness, not random violence. Yet even facing this reality, the crew unanimously agreed Charlie wouldn't have changed his Second Amendment position. "If it would happen to any of us, he would have said the same thing," Tyler noted. "And we would all agree on the same issue."
The ICE Shooter Connection
Breaking news during the taping revealed disturbing connections between Charlie's assassination and subsequent violence. FBI Director Kash Patel confirmed that Joshua John, the Dallas ICE facility shooter, had conducted searches for "Charlie Kirk shot video" and ballistics information before his attack, planning to "give ICE agents real terror."
This revelation connected to broader patterns of left-wing political violence. The crew referenced polling data showing 30% of progressive men aged 18-39 believe violence is sometimes justified for political goals—the highest of any demographic group. Conservative men in the same age range showed the lowest support for political violence.
"The most peaceful cohort is our audience," Andrew observed. "The most radical violent cohort are the people on the left."
Operation Arctic Frost
The crew expressed frustration that while the FBI investigated Turning Point USA under Operation Arctic Frost during the Biden administration—despite the organization showing no violent tendencies—actual left-wing violence went under-investigated. The operation was reportedly shut down immediately when Kash Patel took control of the FBI.
"What really gets my goat about this thing is that Operation Arctic Frost, which was investigating conservative organizations, Turning Point in specific, had no violent tendency or had all nonviolent tendencies while the FBI could have been and should have been investigating and spending all their time and energy on the violence that emits from Antifa, from all the left-wing organizations, from these cells of young men on the left," Jack stated.
Radicalization and Ideology
The discussion turned to root causes of left-wing violence. Andrew pushed back against calls from figures like Lindsey Graham to censor the internet, noting that waves of left-wing terrorism occurred long before Discord and video games. President William McKinley was assassinated by a left-wing anarchist in 1901.
"It's an ideology," Andrew emphasized. "That's what's driving all this." He revealed that one of Charlie's final texts to Stephen Miller stated: "We have to go after the networks that are financing and fermenting violence and radicalization."
The crew argued that society's demonization of young men, particularly young white men, has created a crisis. "How about also we stop demonizing young men as a society and blaming them for every problem," Tyler suggested, noting that Hillary Clinton had recently appeared on MSNBC essentially targeting white Christian men for exclusion from leadership.
Bringing Young Men Back
Charlie's solution focused on giving young men stake in society. "This is why Charlie was so fixated on building new homes, affordable new homes," Andrew explained. "He wanted a moonshot for new homes. We have to get young men to buy in and have skin in the game."
The contrast between left and right responses to alienation became clear: "On the right it drives us to church. On the left it drives them to commit assassinations, nihilism, because they don't have God."
Jack added that the left's hierarchy based on identity rather than merit creates perverse incentives: "If you are a white male who's on the left, because you don't have those characteristics that would allow you to be part of their hierarchy, then it might drive you to commit more extreme acts to show your solidarity and loyalty to the revolution because leftist politics is dependent not on skill, it's dependent on loyalty."
The Politicon Moment
The crew briefly addressed a viral moment from Politicon in 2018 when Charlie confronted Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks during a debate with Hasan Piker. The confrontation, where Charlie repeatedly told Cenk to take a seat, went viral but was often presented without context.
Andrew recalled it as one of the few times Charlie went aggressive with someone in public. Years later at the 2016 RNC, Charlie himself reflected on the moment, saying he didn't even know what he meant by some of his statements and that he'd grown considerably since then. The evolution showed Charlie's capacity for self-reflection and growth.
Charlie's Fearlessness
Throughout the discussion, the crew emphasized Charlie's willingness to challenge the sacred cows of modern discourse. "Charlie was fearless in his critiques because he saw it as a core rot of modern American culture," Andrew explained. "If we were going to get back to a colorblind society, a meritocracy, a culture that was oriented around excellence and achieving great things and dreaming big dreams, we couldn't have these hindrances."
Charlie understood he was uniquely positioned to speak for disenfranchised young men. "He knew that he was at the vanguard of this stuff and that he was a representative for an entire generation of the Lost Boys of the West that had been disenfranchised by their own political leaders," Andrew reflected. "They had been tossed aside by a political establishment and a zeitgeist that vilified them, demonized them, and wanted to toss them aside when this is their country, too."
The Legacy
The crew saw Charlie's impact in changing political trends: young men increasingly wanting to get married, have families, and return to church. "It's because Charlie went straight at the idols of the age, and he crushed them on behalf of us all," Andrew concluded.
The purpose of the discussion wasn't just defensive—it was to ensure Charlie's actual positions and reasoning were understood. As Blake noted about the Second Amendment discussion, Charlie was attacked "for actually daring to discuss a public issue the correct and honest way." That honesty, that refusal to offer only politically convenient positions, defined Charlie's approach to every controversial topic.
The Thought Crime crew made clear they stand by everything Charlie said in proper context, and they'll continue defending his legacy against those who would distort it for political gain.
Video Transcript
[Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] Every day there's a battle for your mind raging. Information coming from every angle with the will to deceive. Fear not. You found the place for truth. The voice of a generation that still has the will to believe in the greatest country in the history of the world. This is the Charlie Kirk Show. Buckle up. Here we go. All right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. I am the executive producer of this fine show, Andrew Kovvet. And today is the day. We have waited long enough to confront some of the lies, the outofc context clips, the cherry-picking of quotes that people are mostly on the left are using to smear the legacy and the memory of our brother and our friend Charlie Kirk. And it is incredibly apppropo that joining me today, wide shot please, is our thought crime crew because most of the clips that ultimately surfaced came on the show called Thought Crime, which we would do every Thursday night and that would be with Jack. It would be four of the five. It would be Jack Bobic, Tyler Boyer, Blake Nef, Charlie Kirk, and me. I was sort of a fill in. I was happy to be that. Tyler and I would usually rotate and the whole premise of the show was to talk about the verboten. The verboten. And as soon as we started doing the show, we realized that, you know, you're not allowed to have fun anymore in America in 2024 at the time. Most most of these clips came out because Charlie had become so big. Yeah. We had a lot of fun actually. But Charlie had become so big that he was looked at as an appendage of the Trump campaign. And so if Charlie ever said anything that, you know, wasn't actually on like the policy platform, for example, of the Trump campaign, they would the Trump campaign would get calls and then we'd get calls and then everybody was getting calls. And so it it was one of those interesting dynamics that actually in a weird backhanded way shows just how huge he had become, especially in the campaign season of 2024. So yeah, I >> Yeah. and and and you know, I think something that we can really just all say and I think we would all agree on and Charlie would agree too uh just just at the outset is this is all Andrew's fault. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. I think if if >> I do seem to be a repeat uh offender in these clips. Um but listen, I didn't want to give any any air to this stuff, especially in the immediate aftermath, but you know, I think you know, we are at two two weeks and one day after it happened. What a whirlwind it's been. I don't I don't think it was worth giving any oxygen to the haters mostly on the left because they were upset that Charlie was getting essentially canonized before their eyes and he was their ideological opponent. There's no there's no doubt about that. And so, you know, we but I feel like now's the time. But you even had instances where like Barack Obama, like the leader of the Democrat party, I don't if you had to pick one man who's the public leader of the party, it's Barack Obama. He couldn't even say Charlie's name without sort of going through this litany of but I disagree on this and I disagree on this and I and he like they all and all of the topics that he mentioned I think we played the clip the other day we should probably pull that up were from thought crime and it's like >> kind of existential in a sense that stuff that from our Thursday night podcast is now coming off the lips of Barack Obama. But at the same time, it's he's doing so to impugn and smear and demonize even in death. >> Yeah. >> Our friend Charlie Kirk. >> Well, I was going to say >> and that can't stand >> exorential because it was like the devil himself like having to say the word Charlie Kirk. You could see him like melting a little bit. It was like the wicked witches like every time that he had to say the word Charlie Kirk, you could almost see >> Did you notice Hillary couldn't say the word puddle? Hillary when she went on MSNBC yesterday, she couldn't say the word Christian. >> Oh yeah. >> She said a she was like white males of a certain religion. >> She said she could start like a farright podcast or something. >> Like she couldn't she couldn't say the word of Christ. Just saying. >> So I just think it's apppropo that you guys are here. I'm excited to do this. Uh a lot of you have online I've seen the comments have been wanting uh us to do this and I just didn't feel like it was the time but now it's the time and we're not. I don't think we need to belabor these points, but you know, you know, for for years on end or something, but I think it's important to give a a voseiferous and forceful rebuttal. So, here I want to start with my favorite one, and that is about DEI pilots. Do you think it's safe to say, Tyler, that the DEI pilots clip was the most viral thing that Charlie had ever been associated with? And it wasn't like, you know, it was wildly misunderstood, but do you think at that point it was probably the biggest clip of Charlie that had spread? >> 100%. And and here's I wanted to piggyback on what we were saying before. A lot of Andrew got the brunt of a lot of this stuff because >> he was saying things that again the whole the whole premise and setup of thought crime and a lot of the conversations that we had was Charlie was quarterbacking and then we were the ones, you know, kind of feeding into it. I apologize for nothing. >> Well, and and Charlie would kind of cue it up and then Andrew would lean in on it, but make no mistake, these were conversations that were being had in the background. And that's important. >> By the way, what's what's what's amazing is I was only a part of about 50% of the thought crimes. So, just imagine how many more how much more defending of Charlie would have >> Whoa, whoa, whoa. Andrew was in the background of every show, every conversation. Even if he wasn't on there. No, you're not getting out of this. You're not getting out of this. >> He's like he he stepped back from the bonfire every blame. >> Yeah. No, just let's get into it because we've been telling Blake's going to kind of drive today, right? We blame Blake for enough. He's not getting blamed for this. >> So I I want to get blamed for this one. Anyway, so the clip that's getting passed around a lot, this is one of the ones that popped up the most is uh people get really mad about what Charlie says about Black Pilots. So, let's just start with the original clip. Let's do clip 168. >> And that's why I think this United story in the DEI story hits so hard because we've all been in the back of a plane when the turbulence hits or when you're flying through a storm and you're like, I'm so glad I saw the guy with the right stuff and the square jaw get into the cockpit before we took off and I feel better now. Thank you. >> I mean, like, you want to go thought crime? Like, I'm sorry. If I see a black pilot, I'm gonna be like, "Boy, I hope he's qualified." >> Well, that's the You wouldn't have done that. You wouldn't have done that before. >> That's not an immediate No, you wouldn't have done who I am. That's not what I believe. >> It is the reality the left has created. >> Now, that last part is really important. Like, obviously, they're doing this thing where they just act like we just came in and we're just like, "Ah, we care about the skin color of who flies planes." No, Charlie doesn't want to care about that. The left wants to care about that. So, here's an important piece of context that this is basically what we were reacting to. Uh, this is a clip of United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby uh making a pretty intense commitment to hitting diversity quotas at his airline. Let's play clip 200. >> How is diversity and diversity targets working into the Aviate Academy? >> We have committed that 50% of the class of of the classes will be women or people of color. Uh, today only 19% of our pilots at United Airlines are women or people of color. And by the way, from all the data I've seen, that's the highest of any airline in the country. All right. So, can I just jump in here really quick? This is incredibly important. So, that is the clip we were Charlie and I and everybody was responding to that right now. They had 19% women and people of color in the in their pilot core. They wanted to get it up to 50% for every new pilot core. Why is that a a really dumb thing to do? First of all, meritocracy. Charlie believed in meritocracy. Let the best man or woman win. Second of all, Jack, riddle me this. Do you know what percentage of new pilots that are training to be pilots? Whether that's just getting their pilot's license or trying to go into an academy of some sort to become a professional pilot. Do you know how what percentage are women or people of color? >> Uh is that 13%. >> It's about 9%. >> 13%. That's a different statistic. >> Yeah, it's 9%. It's 9%. So that means that you're essentially trying to fill 50% of the spots from 9% of the population of the of the >> Well, you're saying not qualified, just training. >> Just training. So these are people if people who want to be a new pilot >> basically like getting their hours going through >> 90% are white males. >> It just happens to be one of those professions where white males go to a lot. So Charlie was making the point that if you are going to pull 50% of your pilots from 9 or 10% of the population of the of new pilots, then you're going to have to do something that is not in favor of meritocracy. You're going to have to lower your standards to get them. So he said that if if you impose this quota then I'm going to start asking questions. Boy, I hope you're qualified. And he said, "I never did that before and I don't want to do it in the future." More when we get back right here on the Charlie Kirk show. [Applause] [Music] [Applause] All right. So, let's uh we'll just continue along. So, >> no, he gives a he'll continue along here. So, Charlie himself offered some clarification on the pilot thing. I can't remember off the top of my head if this is the same day or later, but let's play clip 169. And that's why I think this United story and the DEI story hits so hard because we've all been in the back of a plane when the turbulence hits or when you're flying through a storm and you're like I'm so glad I saw the guy with the right stuff and the square jaw get into the cockpit before we took off and I feel better now. Thank you. >> I mean like you want to go thought crime like I'm sorry if I see a black pilot I'm going to be like boy I hope he's qualified. >> Well that's you wouldn't have done that. You wouldn't have done that before. That's not an immediate No, you that's not who I am. That's not what I believe. >> It is the reality the left has. >> So, you guys piggybacked off of me because you knew what I was saying because what I was saying is that DEI creates and fosters sinful, unh wholesome thought patterns because when they say we're going to hire people based on race and not competency. And so, you start to just say, you know what? What's going on here? Blake, you're part of this. This has gone so viral. It's like 22 million people have seen it on on Twitter. >> This is what I said at the end. This is the reality the left has created that they crave. >> Okay. >> I didn't realize it would repeat the whole the whole first clip there. Blake, why did you do this? Blake. Yeah. He was he was definitely trying to in the in the >> which by the way it's like so much of what thought crime and and even what we do on the regular shows is guys we live in clown world. Okay. We and we are describing the clowns. Yeah, that's what we're doing >> 100% every day. >> It is just straight like and it really the most obvious way to put it is just like look, you guys can hire for diversity or you can hire for merit. Those are mutually exclusive options. Period. >> By the way, Charlie was not saying that he looked at a black pilot pilot currently and thought those things. He he said he didn't. He said, "But if in the future you do X and Y and Z to hire based on some other feature, immutable characteristic that is not linked to your ability to do the job, then I'm going to start asking question." >> What they're doing is they're taking Charlie's clip and they're removing all the context of what's going on and the situation that he's commenting on. And that's that's what you'll see throughout every single one of these. >> We actually have we have another clip from Charlie uh that more straightforwardly defends it. Let's play uh clip 204. >> All right, let me tell you exactly what I said. Okay, so this was in response first and foremost to United Airlines saying that half of all their new pilots that they're going to hire are going to be women or people of color. Currently, they're 15%. So, they want to go from 15% to 50%. A conversation then ensued about how every time affirmative action is employed, standards have to be lowered. There is not a single instance where that is does not occur. So then I said I said boy if I see a black pilot I'm now going to wonder is that individual qualified were they selected because of their race but that's not who I am but this makes me think this way and I stand completely by that statement. Secondly let me just finish DEI and affirmative action what it does is it lowers the merit. It lowers the threshold of standards and increases things that do not matter such as skin color and ethnic background. >> That last part is so key. He's saying look if you guys like again you can hire merit or you can hire for a quota for DEI. You can consider things like skin color and ethnic and national background important. And if you consider those things important if you put them on the scales definitionally it is impossible that you will not lower the overall standards of the people that you are making into pilots. And it doesn't just have to be pilots. I think that's this example that stands out where a really incompetent person can just crash a plane and kill everyone on it. Uh but there's other things, surgeons, uh medicine, like if you want to check med school admissions, uh MCAT, that's a test you have to take. And we've historically had a lot of affirmative action in med school admissions. So Asians are scoring higher than other people. They're scoring higher than whites. And then, you know, black uh med school applicants are getting lower MCAT scores and they're getting into medical school with lower MCAT scores. And this isn't because the MCAT is like a racist test. It's a measure of ability and people are coming out different on that measure of ability. And that's having ramifications at the end of things. For example, like we we uh you know, so Blake is a DEI hire. Um you know, and people don't because he's bald and uh he's also 1% Inuit. Um, uh, we don't talk about it very much, but sometimes he looks at dog sleds a little bit too long and >> you know, I'm like, Blake, what's going on? He's like, they're calling me. >> So, yeah, but Blake Blake is not into it as far as Are you in? No. Okay. >> Anyway, so I I would just say this this feels like a very openand shut case because it they just wanted black people to think Charlie didn't think they could fly planes. That's not what he said. He said >> the core of everything was that this is corporate sabotage and it doesn't matter who they were talking about. They could they could have said that Chaita banana eaters are the only people that will hire. It wouldn't have mattered what the topic was corporate sabotage. >> It's either merit or it's a quota. You cannot have both. And we stand by Charlie in that in that statement. I think we I think we're ready for the next one. We'll be right back. We're going to welcome radio. We'll do this. [Music] All right. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show. We are joined by the thought crime crew and we are debunking the lies and the smears of Charlie, taking him out of context postumously, which is pretty sick actually. And we didn't want to get to this too soon because there's so much good that Charlie said and did that it was it just so outshadowed this stuff, but every dog has his day and uh I am like you know dog with a bone on this stuff because I was there for it and I saw it and I knew the discussion that led up to it. Go ahead. before we even go any further, right? There'd be so many times where we'd be commenting on things that were going on in society, but we weren't actually giving our prescriptions for society. And if you go through that, Charlie obviously spends a lot of time talking about clown world, and he's describing the clowns and the clownish behavior that's going on, corporate America, etc. But when you actually find the thread that Charlie always pushed for was a colorblind society, a color-blind society that said, "Let the best person be the one who gets the job, be the one who gets the uh the votes, be the one who gets to be in leadership, whatever it is, >> a color-blind society with standards that are applied equally across the board." So you if you want to say that's equality, right? Yeah. We want equality of standards. >> Well, yeah. And if you think about, and Blake, you could probably remember the quote better, but Charlie loved this quote. Um, I think it was one of the Weinstein brothers that said it, but maybe they were quoting somebody else. Anyways, it's if you want to know the god of the age, just you ask yourself, what are you not allowed to critique? >> It's a the line is uh attributed to Volta. But it's not from Volta, but it's one, >> but I think one of the brothers did say it recently. >> But anyways, the point is Charlie was fearless on the modern god, the idol of DEI and and pulling the race card and all of this stuff. Charlie, if you you can't maybe you can see it over Jack's shoulder, but we have a he he put up this is his wall. Like he picked these pictures. You I think his head's getting cut off. That's Clarence Thomas over Jack's shoulder. Charlie loves Clarence Thomas. Dr. Ben Carson. These are people. Charlie was not racist. Did not have a racist bone in his body. If you're good at what you do, he loved it. If you were a good family man, if you were a good father, he loved you and he supported you. And I and I I know he's got so many friends in the black community that that defend him viciferously online, and I love that. But just as somebody who can tell you from very up close and personal, there was not a racist bone in his body. who's often accused of it because because so much of our modern society is oriented around what came out of the civil rights era. So this is the new founding this Christopher Caldwell uh prescription of a new founding of America after the 1960s in which we had you know basically if you're a modern American you have more reverence for the Civil Rights Act than you do for the Constitution. Charlie thought that that was a problem. It wasn't that he didn't like a lot of what the Civil Rights Act accomplished or at least set out to accomplish. It's that it there was overreach that happened and there was a new founding of America that was extra constitutional >> and and and but I would I would even go so far as to say that I agree with Caldwell and I agree with the left on this and I think Charlie would too in the sense that it was sort of a new founding of America because there were new standards that perhaps weren't intended but that superseded the constitutional founding of America. >> Yes. And so, so Charlie was fearless in his critiques of this because he he saw it as a core rot of modern American culture and that if we were going to get back to a colorblind society, a meritocracy, a a a culture that was oriented around excellence and achieving great things and dreaming big dreams, that we couldn't, you know, it's like that verse that I posted on X yesterday, like you have to throw off all that's hindering you. You have to throw off everything that's slowing you down if you're going to run your race well. And Charlie was such a pragmatist and such a a a an efficiency, you know, oriented person that he knew that this stuff was holding our country back. And so he knew that he uniquely was suited as this as the exact person not to talk about it to sort of crush the idols in the temple and in the high places and go for this stuff. And yeah, he took a lot of slings and arrows, but in my opinion, looking back, this is some of the stuff I respect him most for. But you look too at I keep going back to that Hillary Clinton clip yesterday on MSNBC where even in the wake of all of this, she goes up on MSNBC and >> do we have this clip? >> And and she what is she saying? She's saying we remember the target must be white Christian men. Remember white Christian men are the ones who cannot be allowed to be in leadership positions. And like >> she says almost Yeah. >> Yeah. I it's disgusting and like like Charlie Kirk, you know, just like Charlie Kirk, why don't you just say it Hillary >> Kirk? And he knew he knew that he was a v at the vanguard of this stuff and that he was a representative for an entire generation of the Lost Boys of the West that had been disenfranchised by their own political leaders. They had been tossed aside by a political establishment and a zeitgeist that vilified them, demonized them, and wanted to toss them aside when this is their country, too. This is where they were born. this is what they've inherited. And we were breaking the social compact with an entire generation of young men. And I like to think that Charlie gave when you start seeing these polls about who's coming, you know, who's voting for Trump, young men wanting to get married, young men wanting to have families, and young men wanting to get go back to church, it's because Charlie went straight at the idols of the age, and he crushed them on behalf of us all. So, we'll be right back. Don't go anywhere. [Music] Second Amendment. All right, we are back here for the stream. Uh Blake, why don't you take us to the next >> All right, >> de. So, let's It's not even so much a debunking. A lot of this is like just you need to have explanations and like more context. Uh so, this is the one that went most viral right after it happened. Uh it's you would see like headlines where people would post this and it was uh Charlie saying, you know, that gun deaths were worth it to keep the Second Amendment. That's what they would say. Uh it was like unfortunately worth it is the exact quote they would have. Uh there's like a million examples of that. I just shared one if they want to put it up, but people would post those to like don Charlie and be like Betty would change his mind now. And this one really disgusts me quite a bit actually because it's >> it's not so much a lie about what Charlie said. It's attacking him for actually daring to discuss a public issue a the correct and honest way. So we have a uh a full quote from Charlie on this. I can't remember where he said it, but uh it's clip 175. Let's just play it. >> So we need to be very clear that you're not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. Right? >> You can significantly reduce them >> through having more fathers in the home. >> Yes. >> By having more armed guards in front of schools. We we we should have a honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence. But we should not have a utopian one. You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It's dril. >> But I am I I think it's I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other god-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. So this is what makes me so angry about and there's even stuff in an even longer version before he says that. He talks about uh I I'll read this quote directly. He says the second amendment is there so that you can defend yourself against a tyrannical government. If that talk scares you, wow, that's radical Charlie. I don't know about that. Well, then you have not read any of the literature of our founding fathers and you haven't read any 20th century history. And then he continues, we must be real. We must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price. That is a part of liberty. He gives the example, driving comes with a price. 50,000 people die on the road every year. That is a price. You could get rid of driving, have 50,000 fewer auto fatalities. But we have decided that the benefit of driving, speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services is worth that cost. And then he goes that part that part we saw. And it just disgusts me so much that people are dunking on Charlie over this when he's doing what any reasonable leader, a figure showing leadership should do, which is evaluating the honest costs and benefits of a policy. There are so many scammer politicians and public figures who will only who will say there's only benefits or only downsides to a policy. They'll say, "Oh, it's all upside." And people are opposed to this just because their haters are corrupt. Charlie would actually come out and say the Second Amendment has downsides. We have more guns. There is more gun violence in America than there is in the UK. There's more gun violence here than there is in China. But we have it for other reasons. We have it because we are free citizens. And that helps us remain free citizens. And then I just I got so angry when I was >> not to mention not to mention you know there was some one of the stats we were talking about as Trump was cleaning up DC was that there had been essentially about 1,200 uh murders in DC in since 2018 right 1200 murders it was a very murderous place >> very murdery >> very murdery and guess how many of them were white the victims how many white murders there were since 2018. >> The victims or the suspects? >> The victims. >> Uh >> 11. >> Yeah. >> 11. >> Yeah. >> Most of that >> gun death is happening because of gang crime and black-on-black violence. And Charlie was very honest about that fact. Now, obviously, Charlie's own murder is something completely and entirely different. This is a political assassination where Charlie was murdered because of what he said and what he believed and how effective he was and because of his Christian faith. But what Charlie was getting at was that we we there is a cost to every freedom that we have. There is a cost to having alcohol on the shelves. There's a cost to having licenses in people's pockets to drive cars. Go ahead. Well, just just before we go to break, I would I would even go so far as to say that even even in the the sense that Charlie could comment on this, he still wouldn't be for gun bans. He still wouldn't be. >> No, >> there's no And and we all know that. >> No question. He Yeah. I mean, >> it wouldn't even be on the table. >> Yeah. >> No. >> And so I I totally agree. This is a really shortly after Trump got shot. >> This is a really sick one. >> And and if it would happen to any of us, >> he would have said the same thing. And if and and we would all agree on the same yes issue. >> Honestly, he he might have even managed to laugh about it. He he would have been like >> probably. >> Yeah. And just be like, well, they kind of got me on that one. >> Well, I I hope Gosh, I don't there's not a laughing matter, but it's but I get what you mean, but he he wouldn't have he wouldn't have changed his position. No way. Not in the slightest. >> So, we are going to welcome back radio and go on to the next one. But that I'm with you. That one's really gross. Uh we'll be right back. Please check your TDS, CRT, DEI, and LGBTQIA+ at the door. The only letters we care about are USA. >> All right. Yeah, that's that's out. >> Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show. This is Andrew Kovvette, executive producer of this show with Blake Nef, Jack Basovic, and Tyler Boyer. Uh, so yeah, Jack, you had a good idea. I think we should go to sort of some of the breaking news around the ICE uh shooter in Texas yesterday. >> Well, so we do have breaking news just in the sense that uh it's you know it just happened but also it pertains to exactly what we're talking about right now on the program regarding the second amendment. So this is from the postmillennial breaking the Dallas Ice shooter searched for conducted searches for ballistics and the phrase Charlie Kirk shot video and plan to quote give ICE agents real terror. So, uh, this is come coming from Cash Patel, the director of the FBI, that it seems like it's shaping up that, uh, Joshua Joshua John, I think that's how you pronounce it, was >> a copycat of the Charlie Kirk assassin and he specifically conducted searches of Charlie Kirk's assassination before he conducted this attack on an ICE facility in Dallas. >> I mean, which shows the interconnectivity between uh, all of this leftist rhetoric that's happening. I mean, the the in-your-face is that all of the protrans, anti-ICE, proBLM. I mean, we're seeing nothing but trickle down violence that's that's been there for years. And this isn't new. We've seen this since 2020. >> No. And it's and it's time for it's high time for the federal and state authorities to just start start doing something about it. We need action. >> Well, and I I think this this is actually I cannot get this image out of my my head. go play uh show image 141. >> This is about political violence. And if you notice on the left, that is what we talking about yesterday. >> Yeah, we talked about this yesterday, but it's it's worth reiterating because both Charlie's assassin, this ICE shooter, uh the same with the the Catholic school shooter in Minneapolis, these are young progressive men in that 18 to 39 cohort. And look at that. A whopping 30% believe that it's justified at times to resort to violence to achieve political goals. >> Conservatives are way below moderates. >> Look at look at the the the the node on this graph that would most correlate to Charlie's core audience 18 to 39 year olds uh conservatives are the lowest besides like 60 plus year old moderates. >> So is the most peaceful cohort is our audience. The most radical violent cohort are the people on the left. >> And what this actually shows is that the left is pulling the people in the middle towards violence, which I think is the most mind-blowing piece of this is the moderates. Look at the moderates. >> Picking up too. >> 60 plus are the least violent and moderates at 18 to 39 are being dragged towards violence because of how radical the left is. >> Yeah. Uh Thomas Matthew Crooks also 20 years old. >> Yes. Yes. So they're getting sucked down these these little Discord chats and these 4chan chats. They're say I saw Mediasan say oh leftists don't get on or I think he retweeted somebody but he's like leftists don't go on 4chan. I'm like yes they do. You obviously do do not know. >> No no no. They've been doing it for years though. >> You obviously do not understand the the world that a 20-year-old especially white male lives in. Well, so 4chan has kind of evolved in from where it was in 2016 where it was heavily, you know, right dominated and like uh you know, just being there where there have been these brigades and attacks and there's there's leftists all over 4chan now. And so that's why it's just not the same as it used to be as as horrible as it is. Not that I've ever seen it myself, but people tell me that uh that it's quite different now. But but that being said, >> wait, Danny makes a good point here. I want to make a point. He says the real data is even worse. This poll was taken after September 10th. Yes. So 30% said this after >> we were celebrating it. It was actually way higher before. >> And it's also and he makes another good point. Danny's the man. Uh Charlie loved Gosh Charlie loved Danny and uh he's such a great member of our team. He said worth noting for this that a lot of these famous shootings are in gunfree zones too by >> Yeah. I mean that but that's >> I find that sort of silly like >> I do I do want to add though. Can I throw in this too? What really gets my goat about this thing too is that Operation Arctic Frost, which was going after which was investigating conservative organizations to have absolutely yeah turning point in specific had no nonviolent tendency or had all nonviolent tendencies while the FBI could have been and should have been investigating and spending all their all their time and energy on >> this on the violence that that emits from from Antifa from all the left-wing organizations from these cells of of young men on the left >> increasingly invol like one of the Antifa I would say evolutions is that you see this trans ideology now infused >> and and we haven't spent that related >> near enough time like we would we were planning all this week on talking a lot about Arctic frost with Charlie over the last two weeks >> we we haven't spent nearly enough time talking about all this and that it's yet to come out >> well what is Arctic frost for for people in So, this was what was uh what was unveiled right in that same week that Charlie was murdered was that TurningPoint USA was being investigated during the Biden administration >> by the FBI tracking everything and anything that Turning Point was doing uh to basically make criminals out of a non-criminal organization. And by the way, I was told, just for people uh that are wondering, that that had been shut down immediately upon uh Cash getting control of the FBI. So, whatever that division was has been, >> but that's the insanity of all this is we don't even know all the information that's pertinent to that. But that's what the that's what our federal law enforcement agencies were doing instead of going after the murderous, you know, basically hidden gang violence in plain sight with with mentally ill young men on the left and leftist organizations that are stoking this fire. >> Yeah. And I do want to just say that one of the pieces that we see in this profile, it it it it becomes a very sort of like there's this weird talking point going on out there. And I saw Lindsey Graham saying that we should like censor the internet now and and get rid of um like what was it? Section 302 or uh 203. >> 203 >> or no 230. >> 230. Yeah. You you fried my brain there, man. >> None of us have slept in like two weeks. >> Yeah, exactly. I know. Mom, if you text me one more time and say I look tired. I understand. >> I My mom, you look tired. You need a day off. I was like, I >> our moms must be coordinating because uh yeah, I I I was like, "Yes, those are bags under my eyes." Yes. But here's my point. Here's my point is the the radicalization doesn't necessarily take place on Discord. Because we've lived through waves of leftwing terrorism before in this country, the 60s and 70s, uh certainly in the early early 1900s, the late 1800s. William McKinley, right? We had a we had a president of the United States who was shot in Buffalo, New York uh by a left-wing anarchist who walked up and shot him in 1901. That's how Teddy Roosevelt became our youngest president. And you know, he didn't have discord and video games. And yet I keep hearing these like DC Republicans say, "Oh, it's the video games and the discords that's what we have to go after." And it's like, no, no, no. It's an ideology. >> I'm telling you, it's ideology that's driving all this. Yes, I believe this very firmly that if I believe God was working through Charlie Kirk both in life but even he was leaving little Easter eggs for us right before his death and Charlie was communicating these things >> and he sent a text to Steven Miller and we've talked about it on the show but it's worth reiterating now and he said his last text to Steven Miller was we have to go after the networks that are financing and fermenting violence and radicalization. So, there's a way to do that via RICO. Blake would know more about that than I would. But whatever that is, that's a piece of this, right? I don't think it's I don't think it's getting uh I don't think it's suppressing free speech. Charlie was a free speech absolutist and it's not by calling things hate speech. What we do also is we have to bring young men back into a place of of centeredness. This is why Charlie was so fixated on like building new homes, affordable new homes. He he want he wanted a moonshot for new homes. We have to get young men to buy in and have skin in the game. >> And how about also we stop demonizing young men as a society and blaming them for every problem that's in society, particularly young white men, where you're you're to blame for everything. It's your fault. You're the ones who are responsible for all of this. And Hillary Clinton, again, Hillary Clinton goes up on TV and that's exactly what she said. Isn't it so interesting that >> the demonization of young white men has resulted in the ignoring of the most mentally unhealthy young white men that are all on the left? I mean truly the some of the outcomes that >> Yeah. It's like on the left so on the right it drives us to right it drives us to church on the left it drives them to commit assassinations nihilism because they don't have God >> because well and they have no one actually looking after them. >> Yeah. Because when you when you try to subjugate an entire population of people, it doesn't matter who it is in in whatever culture. When you do that, what ends up happening is you have a pocket on your own side that just gets completely and blatantly ignored. And that's what they've done. They've essentially created this horribly radical radicalized system now of men who are completely ignored on the right who have now been pushed toward God. and and we're now picking up the pieces of that. >> Thanks to Charlie >> and then and then the the ones on the left that they're supposed to be responsible for that they're doing absolutely zero for. By the way, by the way, >> if you are a white male who's on the left, >> the because you don't have those characteristics that would allow you to be like part of their hierarchy, >> then it might drive you to commit more extreme acts to show your solidarity and loyalty to the revolution because leftist politics is dependent not on skill, it's dependent on loyalty. >> I have to I I'm going to I'm going to I love this topic, but it's not debunking the lies. But here's the thing. So I this this is funny. Let's go ahead and show uh image 173. This is an easy one we can get through in the time we have remaining. Uh this is a pic uh a tweet commenting on CK going after uh saying that time Charlie Kirk called an Asian woman in the audience multiple times. Pardon my French. I'm just quoting he made millions off of his racism and sexism. >> Not visible here. That million five sunk sunk. Okay, thank you. And so I I apologize for saying that. It was just in the tweet. Anyway, so the point is he didn't say it. Okay, he So let's This was This was actually funny. I remember this might have been the first event I met Erica at. Actually, she was she was with us. This was at Politicon in like 2018 or something like that. I forget. Something like that. So, let's go ahead and play the actual clip. Uh Charlie hated when this thing went viral. It actually was funny later. He >> Hold on. We're almost out of >> Well, wait. All right, we we could have played it, but now we now we can't. Okay, so I'll I'll do some more backstory here. This was Politicon. He uh was debating Hassan on stage and then started from the Young Turks started chirping at him from the audience. >> Who is Hassan's boss? >> Who's Hassan's boss? Who who Yeah. But by the way, it's interesting to note that at the RNC, Charlie and talked about this moment and I'll I'll never forget because so Charlie actually went on their show and he's like and he said, you know, I live like a capitalist every day and and Charlie to at the RNC in 2024 then said, "I don't even know like what does that even mean?" Charlie's like, "I've grown up a lot since that moment." But we'll play the clip for the stream in just a sec uh for radio. We'll be right back. Don't go anywhere. [Music] All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show. Okay, so we're going to play the the clip. This was I of all the Charlie moments, this went viral. >> All right, we have to we have to we have to say something right now. It's jank. I know, right? >> Like a J. That's That's where this objection all started. Objection. >> That's where it all started. >> As an American, I should not be expected to know how to pronounce. >> I I know. But if you're going to a name point of order, if you're having an event with someone, you should know how to pronounce. >> You still didn't know. I I actually saw Jenk backspacc. >> But yeah, >> you have to take P Soviets. >> So here's the actual clip. Let's play it 174. >> Yeah. You're trying to attack me, which is ridiculous. Like, ask me what my salary is. Sure, I'll reveal it willingly. >> You brought it up in context. I'm asking, why don't you live like a socialist? Go live like a socialist. >> Larger. The point is larger than that, Charlie. >> I live like a capitalist every single day, Chank. I live as a capitalist. Okay. I live when I >> What do I do? I get charity every single year. >> Hold on. Hold on. My salary less than Come on, Jake. Let's go. >> What are you doing? Sit. >> Take a seat. Take a seat. >> All right. No. No. Take a seat. You're going to take a seat. >> You're going to take a seat over here. >> Oh my god. >> What's my salary? >> All right. >> Oh, ridiculous. >> All right. Behave everyone. Jesus Christ. >> Okay. >> I practice what I preach. >> Charlie, stop. >> You do not practice what you preach. >> I love this moment, Andrew. So funny >> because this was the first moment and this was this was uh this was tennis shoes Charlie era. So this is when we we were talking about >> those were those were uh actually Yeezys or what was it >> was he wearing the Yeezys there or was he wearing the Adidas that we got? >> I think that was >> you know the thought occurs to me that's kind of funny is this is you know Charlie always was very much like he would try to he would try to imitate successful people. So he'd use a lot of like Rushisms because he's like well Rush is the most successful radio host I should try to be like Rush. And all I'm thinking of when I saw that is do you remember at the 2016 >> I think was it the RNC or I think it was the RNC where Alex Jones that he went after >> I was literally standing next to them. >> Exactly. I was there when it happened when they crashed the I can't I can't wonder if like maybe Charlie was like Alex Jones is really successful. I should get in. All I remember is that this was the moment where you know again Charlie this was a the first time Charlie and really one of the only times truly that Charlie went aggressive at somebody >> and it was it was actually so incredible like the entire office was buzzing that we had turning point >> I walked out with him I walked out with him and Erica and I think Sarah was with us. It was Sarah. No, but Erica was there at that event and it was in Los Angeles down at the convention center and we walked out and all of these young guys were like Charlie. We're walking out. But it it it is funny when you think about this in the context of Charlie's, you know, as he matured and grew >> and then he would eventually end up going on the Young Turks broadcast from the RNC and sort of say I don't even know what that meant, you know. And then and then we had Chank of course at Amfest which was like a big scandal that we would allow we would platform Chank. But Chank was actually you know at the RNC he was like hey listen I vehemently disagree with you. I think you're wrong but like let's you know he he has this line like let's have a beer after and I kept thinking Charlie doesn't drink but u although although I will say if you notice that clip you can hear how Charlie's throat is when he's doing that. That's where the mint tea comes from and the honey. >> Yes. He started learning how to protect his voice. So, uh, I think we should take a quick break right there and we will welcome back radio for the final segment of the hour and Blake's going to pick our next clip to debunk and we'll be right back. Don't go anywhere.