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Subscribe on YouTubeAndrew Kolvet Recaps Tyler Robinson Preliminary Hearing Day Five: Enhanced Video Shows Shooter in Prone Position Taking Fatal Shot at Charlie Kirk
Andrew Kolvet leads a comprehensive recap of the final day of Tyler Robinson's preliminary hearing in Utah, joined by Steve Deace and Jack Posobiec who witnessed the enhanced surveillance footage firsthand. The enhanced video, shown only in the courtroom, reveals crystal-clear footage of the shooter assembling a rifle, running across the rooftop, taking a prone position, and firing the shot that killed Charlie Kirk at 12:23:28. Witnesses describe the footage as "the most damning piece of evidence" in the case, showing Tyler Robinson's face, vehicle license plate, and every movement in stunning clarity. The Kirk family, Erika, Rob, and Kathy, watched the enhanced video and broke down as they witnessed Charlie's final moments. The family's legal representative filed a motion urging Judge Tony Graf to issue a probable cause determination by September 1, 2026, noting they are approaching the one-year anniversary of Charlie's death without resolution.
Final Day of Preliminary Hearing Concludes
The preliminary hearing for the State of Utah versus Tyler Robinson concluded with what multiple witnesses described as the most damning evidence yet: enhanced surveillance footage showing the shooting of Charlie Kirk in crystal-clear detail. Andrew Kolvet recapped the proceedings alongside Steve Deace from The Steve Deace Show and Jack Posobiec from Human Events Daily, who was present in the courtroom.
After the defense finished questioning their final DNA witness from the ATF, Judge Tony Graf allowed the Kirk family to view enhanced, zoomed-in surveillance video from Utah Valley University. The footage was not broadcast to the public but was shown to family members, legal teams, and members of the press in the courtroom.
Enhanced Video Reveals Shocking Detail
Multiple witnesses who saw the enhanced footage described it as transformative compared to the publicly available video. Jack Posobiec, who was in the courtroom, said the video quality "changes everything" and described watching it as "like watching Charlie die all over again."
The enhanced video shows a person believed to be Tyler Robinson walking across the Utah Valley University campus, going over a guard rail onto the rooftop of the Losee Center, crouching down to apparently assemble a rifle, running across the gravel roof, taking a prone shooting position, and firing at 12:23:28—the exact time Charlie Kirk was shot and killed.
According to KUTV reporter Heidi Hatch, who was also present, "Even zoomed in, the quality of the video is surprisingly high. You could see the man on the roof, reportedly Tyler Robinson, getting down into that prone position before the shot was fired." She added that the video showing Robinson returning to campus "shows that very distinct limp with the rifle likely in the leg of his pants."
Benny Johnson, another witness to the footage, reported: "Every moment, every movement of Tyler Robinson that day captured in full quality HD, zoomed in, some footage in 4K, tracking all his movements. You can see crystal clear Tyler Robinson's face, the license plate number on his vehicle, details on his clothing, and his actions on the rooftop."
Emotional Impact on the Kirk Family
The emotional toll on Charlie Kirk's family was evident throughout the viewing. Heidi Hatch described the scene: "As that came up on that video, that zoomed-in video, Erika Kirk breaking down in tears as well as Katherine, her mother-in-law, Charlie's mother, clinging to each other, hugging each other as that video played."
Benny Johnson added: "What the public couldn't see was the emotion in the courtroom. Charlie's family sobbing uncontrollably, Erika in Mrs. Kirk senior's arms, Charlie's father comforting them. Just feet away sat a pale, lifeless, emaciated Tyler Robinson who stared at the floor with no remorse as he listened to the weeping."
According to multiple witnesses, Robinson has never once looked at Erika Kirk during the entire preliminary hearing, and reportedly had his monitor turned off during the playing of the enhanced video, refusing to watch footage of his own alleged actions.
Defense's DNA Witness Backfires
Earlier in the day's proceedings, the defense called an ATF DNA section chief as a witness, but the testimony appeared to strengthen the prosecution's case rather than help the defense. When cross-examined by the state, the expert testified that DNA evidence found on key items was "at least one trillion times more likely" to have come from Tyler Robinson than from unrelated individuals.
The expert explained that the laboratory caps probability statistics at one trillion, meaning the actual likelihood could be substantially higher. She confirmed: "The probability of an unrelated individual in the population who has not contributed DNA to the sample yielding this level of support is less than one in a trillion."
Steve Deace, commenting on the defense's strategy, noted: "If you're trying to frame your own witness to the point that you're getting frequent objections against your own questions, then I think you can see the shaky ground the defense is on here because of just how overwhelming this evidence is."
Family Requests Prompt Resolution
Immediately following the conclusion of the preliminary hearing, the Kirk family issued a statement through their representative, Jeffrey Neiman: "The conclusion of the preliminary hearing marks an important step forward in the pursuit of justice for Charlie. Our family is grateful for the prayer, support, and kindness that has been extended to us, especially through these unimaginably painful next phases. We pray that truth will continue to be heard through a process that is fair, transparent, and grounded in the facts."
Nyman then filed a motion urging Judge Graf to issue a probable cause determination no later than September 1, 2026. The filing stated: "We are approaching the one-year anniversary of Charlie's assassination. Ten months have passed since the defendant's arrest and the five-day preliminary hearing has now concluded. The defendant is entitled to a fair trial and he must receive one, but he is not entitled to cause undue delay in the criminal justice process. The family is likewise entitled to a speedy resolution."
The filing referenced Utah code 77-38-7, which provides that "the victim of a crime has the right to a speedy disposition of the charges free from unwarranted delay caused by or at the behest of the defendant."
Concerns About Delays in Justice
The timeline of the case has raised concerns about whether the family will receive timely justice. The preliminary hearing was originally scheduled for May 2025 but was delayed until July 2025. Judge Graf has scheduled a hearing for September 1, 2026, which would extend the process beyond the one-year anniversary of Charlie Kirk's death.
That September hearing is expected to include at least four hours of oral arguments plus 35 pages of briefs from each side, potentially delaying a probable cause determination even further.
Steve Deace expressed frustration with the timeline: "This is very abnormal, the amount of time that it takes to get to this juncture. I can't imagine how the judge can possibly watch the family go through witnessing that and then say, 'But we're going to hold you off here for about two more months to try to get the first phase of closure.' We're way over that line. The Kirk family has deserved at least stage one of closure as soon as absolutely possible here."
Legal experts and observers noted the unusual length of the preliminary hearing process, especially given what many describe as overwhelming evidence.
Andrew Kolvet noted that he received messages from legal professionals who were "unrelated to the case, but they're watching it" expressing concern about the defense's strategy and its potential to "exasperate the judge" and "turn a jury off."
Evidence of Enhancements for Potential Death Penalty
Throughout the week, the defense fought to exclude what are legally called "enhancements"—aggravating factors that would justify seeking the death penalty in Utah. These enhancements require showing that the crime was politically motivated, endangered minors, or constituted a hate crime.
Despite defense objections, Judge Graf allowed the admission of a statement from David Englehart, a Turning Point USA board member, explaining the organization's mission and detailing how deeply Charlie Kirk's Christian faith was integrated into his political positions, particularly on issues like transgender ideology.
Additional evidence supporting enhancements includes text messages from Robinson stating "Some hate just can't be negotiated out. I had enough of his hate," as well as bullet casings engraved with "Bellachow" (an Italian anti-fascist song) and "Hey Fascist Catch."
Overwhelming Physical and Testimonial Evidence
Beyond the enhanced video and DNA evidence presented on the final day, the week-long preliminary hearing revealed extensive physical evidence linking Tyler Robinson to the shooting:
- Confession to Lance Twiggs, who testified that Robinson admitted to the shooting both in text messages and in person while crying
- Recovery of a burned note that Robinson had referenced in text messages
- Robinson's distinct limp visible in footage, consistent with concealing a rifle in his pants
- Forensic evidence matching bullets and casings to Robinson's rifle
- Surveillance footage tracking Robinson's movements throughout the campus before and after the shooting
- Text message evidence showing premeditation and political motivation
Steve Deace emphasized the strength of the evidence: "We've had murder convictions of people who were definitely guilty where they don't have a body. We don't have a body, we don't have a murder weapon. You just have overwhelming contextual circumstantial evidence. And here we have that. And we also have the confession, the weapon, the parents turning over evidence, the video, everything."
Shift in Public Perception
The week's proceedings appeared to mark a turning point in public opinion, with numerous social media users expressing regret for having believed alternative theories about Charlie Kirk's death.
One representative comment stated: "I would like to admit I drank some of the Candace Kool-Aid and now I feel so gutted for ever believing Erika had anything to do with it."
Another wrote: "I watched several of Candace's podcasts. I was one of the people who believed Israel was somehow involved. It was extremely convincing and I do not blame anyone for believing it as I did. Lesson learned to wait for actual evidence. I will never make this mistake again. I regret it and I stand with Erika."
Even Sean Strickland, an MMA fighter known for controversial views, issued an apology for having promoted alternative theories about the case.
Donald Trump Jr., who visited the courtroom earlier in the week with Erika Kirk, stated publicly that after seeing the evidence, it was "very clear that Tyler Robinson is absolutely guilty."
Addressing Conspiracy Theories and Trust in Institutions
The panelists discussed the broader implications of the case for public trust and the spread of conspiracy theories. Steve Deace acknowledged the legitimate reasons for skepticism of institutions while drawing a distinction between healthy questioning and harmful conspiracy mongering.
"A lot of our institutions are deserving and have worked hard to earn all this skepticism that has been pent up over the last few years," Deace said. "The question is where do we go for answers. It would be one thing if these people were just going to question the official narrative. The other thing to try to shift the guilt of this crime even to Charlie's widow herself, even as this evidence mounts, is just particularly reprehensible and despicable and just wicked and evil."
He added: "There's a thing called cynicism which is against a biblical worldview. If your worldview begins with the premise that God supernaturally intervened in human history to raise a dead man to life, then cynicism is not permitted for the believer. But there's healthy skepticism when you are in a time, in the age of the judges like we are now, when everyone does what is wise in their own eyes."
The Role of Evidence vs. Speculation
The discussion emphasized the importance of waiting for evidence rather than rushing to judgment based on speculation or political bias. Andrew Kolvet noted: "I totally understand that sometimes giving proper scrutiny to an official narrative is the right position to take. But there is a huge difference between that and then turning around and recklessly accusing innocent people of wrongdoing, of heinous evil acts when the evidence is right in front of you."
Steve Deace shared his approach to covering controversial topics: "When I wrote two bestselling books debunking the COVID narrative, I didn't offer alternative theories or projections. I interviewed witnesses. I looked at data and facts. I didn't just wing it because I didn't want to get sued by Anthony Fauci and everybody else. So I used often their own data against them, their own assumptions against them."
He continued: "We don't really have to all be in a hurry to be wrong. There's going to be a process and it's going to be somewhat transparent and we're going to get answers and you don't have to look like a clown when it's all over. You can just say, 'You know what, I kind of just want to wait and see what the evidence says.'"
Path Forward for Those Who Spread False Theories
The panelists discussed what accountability should look like for those who promoted conspiracy theories about Charlie Kirk's death and baselessly accused Erika Kirk and others of wrongdoing.
Steve Deace invoked Christian principles while acknowledging the harm done: "All three of us represent a worldview that makes it very clear that mercy triumphs over judgment. For those who have sincerely want to come forward, sincerely want to apologize, sincerely want to repent, first and foremost apologize to Erika and the entire family. I think they deserve an honest hearing in terms of the integrity and the sincerity of that apology and that repentance. But forgiveness and trust are not necessarily the same thing."
Blake Neff added: "There's room for people to come back on side. There's room for people to say, 'I goofed it up.' But I do think we need some perspective. If you're a voice, if you have a platform, you have a moral obligation to show good leadership. The evidence in this case was so clear for so long and so all-encompassing that if a person who had a platform is going to come back, I think there has to be some expectation of not merely acknowledging that they were incorrect, but they have to apologize and say I made a moral mistake in going this far down and I have to try to atone for that."
Charlie Kirk's Legacy and the Movement He Built
The discussion touched on the broader impact of Charlie Kirk's death and the memorial service that followed, which Steve Deace described as "the most viewed proclamation of the gospel that this world has ever seen."
"Coming out of that memorial was the first time I thought there was a real chance we might be able to unite around first principles as believers," Deace reflected. "I'd be willing to bet that Don Jr. told more people about who Stephen was than they've heard in the American church anywhere, Catholic or Protestant, the last 30 years. More people came out of that with more church and more Bible than they have from any singular event in the history of this hemisphere."
Deace suggested that the subsequent wave of conspiracy theories was a deliberate spiritual attack: "I don't think it's any coincidence at all that the enemy said, 'Oh snap, can't let that happen,' and mobilized as fast as he could."
When asked about rebuilding the coalition Charlie Kirk had built, Deace emphasized the need for closure in the legal case first: "I think we're going to have a hard time answering that question until there's a more definitive outlook on the outcome of this case. What's opened up the fissure of what he was holding together is his death and the aftermath of it. I think the certainty of what caused that death and then the outcome for Tyler Robinson is the first step in letting a lot of people—you can already see just from the volume of notes you guys are getting—the amount of people who are coming in from like a fog, from like a spiritual malaise that is clearing up now. Like a spell has been broken here."
Next Steps in the Legal Process
The case now awaits Judge Graf's probable cause determination, which the Kirk family has requested be issued no later than September 1, 2026. If probable cause is found, the case will proceed to a full trial where a jury will determine Tyler Robinson's guilt or innocence.
Given the strength of the evidence presented during the preliminary hearing, legal observers suggest the defense may be focused primarily on avoiding the death penalty rather than securing an acquittal.
The enhanced surveillance footage, while shown in court, has not yet been released to the public. However, witnesses expect it will eventually become public record, likely during trial proceedings.
Andrew Kolvet closed the recap by noting the historical significance of the week's proceedings: "This is a really important week. We're going to look back on it and think of it as a really important week."
Video Transcript
All right, welcome everybody. The uh
preliminary hearing in the state of Utah
versus Tyler Robinson wrapped up this uh
I guess depending on which part of the
country you are this early afternoon or
late morning. And we are uh now going to
we're moving up our recap a little bit
here just to uh make sure that it's all
fresh. And so there's not as much
evidence that was presented today, but
that's okay because there is some really
important uh I guess developments that
we need to cover right now. Here to help
us do it is Steve Dace. Uh you know him
from the Steve Dace Show, Blaze TV.
Great friend of the show and he's a
great friend of Charlie. Steve, welcome.
Um we've got uh a lot of lot of little a
little details here that to wrap up and
I'm going to update the audience on them
uh first and then we're going to get to
your perspective of what's happened and
then some bigger concepts uh that I
think are important to explore. So just
after uh court wrapped the preliminary
hearing wrapped there was a statement
made by the Kirk family u and I'm going
to read that and then there was a filing
as well. So here here it is. This is
from the Kirk family. The conclusion of
the preliminary hearing marks an
important step forward in the pursuit of
justice for Charlie. Our family is
grateful for the prayer, support, and
kindness that has been extended to us,
especially through these unimaginably
pain next phase. We pray that truth will
continue to be heard through a process
that is fair, transparent, and grounded
in the facts. Okay. So, the Kirk family,
that would be obviously Erica along with
Rob, Charlie's father, and Kathy,
Charlie's mother, uh, issued that
jointly on behalf of the family. Then
immediately after Steve and Blake, the
family representative, Jeff Nyman, uh,
issued he he put forward a filing
sort of requesting prompt resolution to
the matter of probable cause. Right? So
that is the legal threshold that must be
reached in order to take this to a full
trial. So in this and I believe we have
the image here. He filed this like
almost immediately. It was uh very quick
work. He said we are approaching the
one-year anniversary of Charlie's
assassination which is just mindboggling
on its on its face. 10 months have
passed since the defendant's arrest and
the 5-day preliminary hearing has now
concluded. The defendant is entitled to
a fair trial and he must receive one,
but he is not entitled to cause undue
delay in the criminal justice process.
The family is likewise entitled to a
speedy resolution. Utah code 77387
provides that quote, "The victim of a
crime has the right to a speedy
disposition of the charges free from
unwarranted delay caused by or at the
behest of the defendant. The family
trusts this court to ensure the case pro
proceeds without further delay. We
respectfully urge this court to issue
its probable cause determination no
later than September 1, 2026, which is
significant because right now, Judge
Graph has said that they'll have a
hearing on September 1. Right. Which
means that Steve, we could possibly get
to beyond a one-year anniversary out
before we even know if this is going to
go to trial, before a probable cause
determination has been made.
>> And we know it's going to be four hours
of oral argument at least, plus 35 pages
of briefs from each side in that
hearing. So, it could be very tempting
for him to kick the can down the road
past that hearing date. Steve, your
thoughts on balancing Judge Graph's
balancing act of the constitutional
rights of Tyler Robinson with the
family's rights to a speedy disposition
of justice.
Well, guys, I did some of my own
research today and then I've heard from
some other folks way more knowledgeable
on this kind of uh uh procedure legally.
Uh and this is very abnormal uh the
amount of time uh that it takes to get
to this juncture. Uh the only thing that
I can say that uh because I do think
overall based on what I've seen this
week I I do think the judge has been
conscientious. The only thing I can
think of to justify uh this length of
time is twofold. Number one, because of
how high-profile this is, uh this is uh
the most high-profile martyring uh in
America, at least since the summer of '
68 when you had RFK and then MLK that
spring. uh this is the most viewed
murder in all of human history. Uh and
so therefore and then the unprecedented
cottage industry of you know
whackadoodle conspiracy theories that
have come up surrounding it over the
last several months that he is trying to
do everything he can to make sure this
case is open and shut and doesn't give
an obvious room for appeal and is trying
to do everything he can to make sure
that all eyes are dotted and all tees
are crossed. uh and then maybe hope
hoping that this may never go to trial
that with the amount of time that all
this evidence has mounted and been
simmering. I think that you have watched
within our uh within our movement and
industry over the last 72 hours, uh
there have been a lot of people jumping
ship or or turning around and saying to
a lot of the the wackadoodle conspiracy
theorists, you know, this just is we're
off the reservation here. We shouldn't
have let it get to this far and to this
juncture. Uh you guys are essentially
essentially have excommunicated
yourselves. And so maybe he's hoping
that with this amount of evidence out
there uh that that might pro maybe
motivate the Tyler Robinson folks to
take a plea deal to avoid a trial living
through all this evidence all over
again. Um and and and we can now just
say justice was done and moved move on.
But but those are the only two things
and I'm projecting in both of those.
Those are the only two things I could
find for any rationale for this length
of time to get to the point uh of even
uh declaring probable cause, especially
when you're looking at uh the amount of
open and shut evidence there is. You
know, I was I was watching today uh when
the defense attorneys were attempting
five different ways to ask a question
that was inadmissible and kept getting
sustained and thrown out to try and
question the DNA sequencing of their own
witness. And if you're trying to if if
that's where you're at in your defense,
you're trying to um you're trying to
frame your own witness to the point that
you're getting frequent objections
against your own your own questions at
that point, then I think you you can see
the uh the shaky ground the defense is
on here because of just how overwhelming
this evidence is.
>> You're a thousand% right here. And that
was my big takeaway. There wasn't much
activity in the courtroom today as far
as new evidence, but the one witness
that was called forward by the defense
ended up making great points for the
state. And we have a couple of these
clips. We we'll play one of them. It's
about this an ATF uh DNA section chief,
right? And so she again, this is the
defense's witness. When the state gets
up and cross-examin examines her, this
is what they get. Uh SAT seven. What was
your conclusion as to the likelihood
ratio that you analyzed in this question
in calculation number three
>> for this exhibit? The DNA profile was le
at least one trillion times more likely
if it originated from Tyler Robinson as
the major component and three un unknown
unrelated individuals than if it
originated from four unrelated
individuals.
>> You say at least one trillion times more
likely. So it could be a much higher
number than one trillion. Is that
accurate?
>> It's possible.
>> But the protocols in your laboratory say
you cap that at at the number 1
trillion. Is that right?
>> Correct. We would not report a number
higher than 1 trillion.
>> It looks like you also did a probability
um statistic as well in paragraph E. The
probability of an unrelated individual
in the population who has not
contributed DNA to the sample yielding
this level of support is less than one
in a trillion.
>> H
>> okay so that's the defense's star
witness that just linked evidence to
Tyler Robinson at one in a trillion but
that's where they cap it. So it could
have been much I mean we're hearing
octillion
trillion. So just cap it out at one in
the number of cells in your body, I
think.
>> And by the way, I was getting bombarded
with texts,
>> Steve, from people that are in the legal
profession, former prosecutors, all this
kind of stuff, unrelated to the case,
but they're watching it, right? And they
just kept the same guy that's doing all
the forensic, you know, examin witness
questioning on behalf of the defense is
really hard to listen to. like your eyes
glass over. It is completely not fun to
watch, right? This is not riveting TV.
And I think that's the point, but it
it's they kept making the point that it
is really going to turn a jury off and
it's going to exasperate the judge. It's
not a good winning strategy here. So,
that's the defense's best shot. Okay.
Now, let's go back to what you just said
about the plea deal. And this is, I
think, actually a little bit more
interesting here because during the
course of the week, you saw the defense
fighting tooth and nail to keep out what
are called enhancements. Enhancements
are legally important because that's
what justifies a death penalty uh in a
case like this, right? So, if you can
put an enhancement uh and Blake,
actually, you know this pretty well
because you know the case history.
>> Yes. just you you need unfortunately our
glorious Supreme Court in one of its
slightly more liberal eras said that you
can't just have the death penalty as a
default penalty for murder. You need
these enhancements. There needs to be an
aggravating factor. And so we need
something to be sustained. We need it to
be a politically motivated crime. We
need to potentially be a crime that
endangers minors. That's another way
they can go for it. They have a few
different ways they can get it, but by
far the most likely is that he was
motivated to target Charlie. Bas I think
that they're going a lot for that
because of Charlie's religion because
then it's basically a religiously
motivated hate crime enhancement that
they could go for. So you see them
fighting for that, but the judge
ultimately allowed the exhibit from
David Angelhart, who's one of the board
members, explaining the mission of
Turning Point and explaining how deeply
integrated Charlie's Christian faith was
to some of his positions, say on the
trans issue or in genders and and sex,
right? So that ended up getting admitted
into evidence, right? Not only that, but
you had the political motivations in the
text messages where it says, "Some hate
just can't be negotiated out. I had
enough of his hate." Then you also had
the bullet engravings which had
Bellachow, which is a famous
anti-fascist song from Italy back in the
1940s. You had Hey Fascist Catch. There
are multiple pieces of that puzzle that
explain the why. And so I don't
understand what leg they're going to
have to stand on. But the point is if
they were able to successfully argue
against some of those enhancements or
those pieces of evidence that would lead
to the enhancements, you know, from
being admitted as evidence, maybe that
changes their plea calculation.
>> Yeah. I think at this point, if they
weren't thinking this going in, I have
to believe after the week that they just
endured as counsel, Tyler's defense,
their main role at this point is just
saving his life. Um, I mean, the
evidence here is pretty overwhelming.
And so, that that's probably all this
about is about or at least it's a prime
directive is saving his life. And you
know, there's a balance here in that on
on one hand, we want him to have this
kind of vigorous defense. Uh we want him
to have this kind of detailed defense.
He has real attorneys. Uh folks that
have represented people like the
Menendez brothers. These aren't just,
you know, public defenders appointed by
the court for some lowly soul who
couldn't afford couldn't afford
otherwise. you want him to be uh to be
scrutinized under a rigorous defense on
his behalf because again the how
important this case is, the precedent
that is being set here um and how
precedent setting uh this senseless
tragedy and assassination was. And so
you want you want every stone uh you
know turned over. You want everything
explored so that no one is left to
remain. I'm just asking questions for
another nine or 10 months of a grift. We
want to have all that stuff exhausted
and thrown out there. But there's a line
between that which does serve the system
we have. Whether we like it or not, it
is the system we have. There's a line
there somewhere between that and now
we're just ex exasperating people and
exhausting this and we're delaying
justice for a family here when the
evidence is pretty overwhelming. And so
I think we can certainly say after 5
days of this this week that this
evidence is pretty overwhelming. And if
maybe at the start of this week with a
hearing that was already delayed by two
months anyway. It was supposed as you
guys know and your audience knows to
take place in May. So we've already
delayed it by a couple of months already
to get here to July. Now you're talking
about delaying it another couple of
months just to get to really the first
key official juncture of declar of a
declarative judgment one way or another.
Um I I think we are if we're not close
to if we're not at least close to the
line of we're going from
conscientiousness here to exasperation,
I think we've already crossed it.
I I think that's that's such a great
framing, Steve. Exasperation, but we do
um Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Hang hang tight. We
I've got I've got some stuff I really
want to share, but uh Blake, give me
>> You want to be absolutely certain?
>> I want to be absolutely certain. Okay.
So, just hang tight. Uh Blake, uh why
don't you the the biggest piece of
evidence you saw that that was admitted
in court for the public viewing? What
was it? What would you say it it was?
>> I mean, there was a lot, thankfully, as
we can say. I think uh I think we go
back to the thing that the the defense
was most eager to move past that we have
Lance Twigs on camera. He says, "Yep, I
received these text messages from Tyler
Robinson. Uh I I'm the guy who did it.
Uh he he says, "Check for this note." Uh
we we saw more detail of that
conversation than we saw before where we
we actually have Tyler, you know, say,
"F, I thought I deleted this." He seems
to have mistaken basically mistakenly
roped Lance Twigs in. He details trying
to retrieve his rifle. We have the
description of the note. Uh we were
mistakenly shown an image of that note.
We see the burned version of that note.
We see Lance Twigs. We heard Lance Twigs
say he confessed to me in person crying
saying he didn't want to do it or he
wishes he hadn't done it. And I think
that in concert with the physical
evidence we have just makes it
absolutely overwhelming. And people will
will fixate on whether they have 100,
you know, can they match this bullet to
the exact gun or is it only the same
category? That is so beside the point
when all evidence you have supports the
claim that Tyler Robinson did it and
when you have direct confession to it,
it's it truly is overwhelming. It it
almost feels it almost feels like we're
being toyed with or something that this
is even up for debate to me.
>> Um all right, so I'm just I'm just
getting some breaking here right now. Um
and I think we uh this is public. public
domain. This is from Heidi Hatch, KUTV
reporter. Um, so she says, and we're
pulling this video, but after the
defense uh, final DNA witness, the court
allowed the family to watch the zoomedin
surveillance video from Utah Valley
University. Okay, remember a little bit,
rewind the tape here. There was a huge
rigor roll about the enhanced video,
right?
>> So, this is Yeah, zoomed in. And it's
it's the quality I'm I'm being told is
except like it's surprisingly high. And
this they called it the Joe Ma John
Madden kind of style video because you
know I think they circle it and they
zoom in. They draw your eye to kind of
where Tyler's walking around on campus.
She said Heidi uh Hatch says even zoomed
in the quality of the video is
surprisingly high because remember
there's press in the courtroom that was
able to watch this as well. It just
wasn't broadcast to the public. You
could see the man on the roof
reportedly, this is her words,
reportedly Tyler Robinson getting down
into that wine or prone position before
the shot was fired. The video showing
Robinson allegedly returning to campus
with jeans on shows that very distinct
limp with the rifle likely in the leg of
his pants. You apparently can see
things. Uh
>> we we have another source, someone who
was able to see it. He says you see the
person that we believe is Tyler
Robinson. Uh you can see them go over
the guard rail, crouch down to assemble
the rifle, run across the roof, crouch
down.
>> Yeah.
>> Take the shot at the time.
We know the shot happened at 12:23 228.
So you see this person roll over the the
the sort of railing or whatever that was
uh to the rooftop of the Losi Center.
And um and then Heidi goes on, this is
again the KUTV uh KUTV local reporter
there in Salt Lake City. She says,
"Heartbreaking to watch Erica Kirk and
Charlie's parents as they watched in
greater detail these fi final moments
before Charlie was shot and killed on
campus." So, they did watch him assemble
the rifle. They saw him go over the
railing and that and the enhanced video
is apparently extraordinarily
clear and visual.
So, and it looks like they also, yeah,
in the enhanced video, it makes it more
clear the limp is he has a rifle-shaped
object in his pants. It seems they're
able to zoom in and make that make that
>> another reporter actually just uh just
reached out to me and said the enhanced
surveillance video Jeff Nyimman, the
Kirk family representative, got the
court to play at the end was the quote
single most damning piece of evidence in
the state's arsenal.
>> We saw a lot of evidence. We saw a lot
of damning evidence and for an
independent reporter to say that to to
me is um
yeah and I and I hope I hope these
journalists write about it and actually
I think we might be getting uh Jack
Pobic he might be joining just to
describe what he saw because I believe
he was inside the courtroom. Um,
Steve, I don't know if you have any
thoughts on that, but my instant
reaction is
I can't imagine what Erica and Rob and
Kathy must have been feeling to see it
in that vivid detail. You know, most
people, most murder cases, and this is
what's so funny about the internet, the
internet's like, "Well, you can't see
his face and it's blurry."
Most murder convictions happen without
video of the actual incident. In this
instance, we have this luxury of hours
of footage watching him meander around
campus and case it out. I I just can't
imagine.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean, we've had by comparison, we've
had murder convictions of people who
were who were definitely guilty where
they don't have a body.
>> Yeah.
>> And you we don't have a body, we don't
have a murder weapon. You just have
overwhelming contextual circumstantial
evidence. And here we have that. And we
also have
>> the confession, the weapon, the parents
turning,
>> the video, the confession. Just
>> Yeah. I I I I Steve, please first react
to just the emotional impact of that
moment for the Kirk family.
I I I
don't know how the judge can possibly
watch the family go through witnessing
that and then say, "But we're going to
we're going to hold you off here for
about two more months to try to get the
first phase of closure." I I just
I I I like again, like I said a few
minutes ago, there's a line somewhere
between conscientiousness and
exasperation. And I said that before you
told me about this video, guys. And and
now with this video, I we're we're not
we're way over that line. Like that line
is not even we're so far past it now
that it's not even in the rear view rear
view mirror at this point. Like that the
judge has already amended himself before
when he knew he was wrong. He needs to
amend himself again. And it's it's just
very clear here that that the the Kirk
family has deserved at least stage one
of closure as soon as absolutely
possible here. As for the skeptics and
stuff online, um, again, I've never I
don't ever have a problem with with
people asking questions. My about
anything. My issue is is and and a lot
of our institutions, and I know the
three of us agree with this, a lot of
our institutions are are deserving and
have worked hard to earn all this
skepticism that has been pent up over
the last few years. For sure.
>> The question is where do we go for
answers, right? And it would be one
thing if if these people were just going
to um, you know, question the official
narrative. The other thing to try to
shift the guilt of this crime even to
Charlie's widow herself even as this and
and to try to hold on to these
narratives as this evidence mounts is
just particularly reprehensible and
despicable and just wicked and and evil.
Um I'd say that secondly as well. And
then thirdly, I think we have a a real
teachable moment here just for all of us
that do this for a living. And that is
when we have events, when there's going
to be things like trials, um there's
going to be things like hearings.
Evidence is going to be presented. You
know, we don't really have to all be in
a hurry to be wrong. You know, there
there's going to be a process and it's
going to be somewhat transparent and
we're going to get answers and you don't
have to look like a clown when it's all
over. You can just say, you know what, I
I kind of just want to wait and see what
the evidence says. I saw Don Jr. say
that the other day after leaving the
courtroom with Erica. I it just it was
very clear. He said now looking at the
evidence that it was very clear that
Tyler Robinson is absolutely guilty.
It's okay. It's okay to not know
everything, to not have an immediate
take on everything, and to just let
processes play itself out, particularly
something that is as personal and as
tragic as this particular circumstance.
>> I'm going to play this local news
reporter Heidi Hatch um her recounting
of this video. S 33. The
>> Tyler Robinson hearing has adjourned for
the day and for the entire hearing. The
defense finished with their final DNA
witness from the ATF. After that, the
judge allowed the family to view without
it being broadcast. The zoomed in
surveillance video from Utah Valley
University. The quality was surprisingly
high. a lot more detail you could see of
the man that is reportedly Tyler
Robinson making his way through campus
up and down the stairs into the parking
garage and even zoomed in on the roof
where you can see the man who is
reportedly Robinson lying down into that
prone position before the shots were
fired as that came up on that video that
zoomed in video Erica Kirk uh breaking
down in tears as well as Katherine her
mother-in-law Charlie's mother uh
clinging to each other hugging each
other as that video played
Yeah.
So,
um
that's tough. Yeah.
And I I think about the time stamp too,
Steve. you know, just the um
just knowing that moment
1223
is it 38?
>> I don't I don't know. I avoid
>> 28 12 23 28.
>> Yeah, it's just it um
>> anyways [snorts]
I I I think we're going to have Jack
join us and and kind of u
uh walk through what what he what he
saw. Um, so we'll wait for him to to
join. Um, I want to go back to what you
said, Steve, though, because I think it
was an important point, and that is, you
know, you don't have to rush ahead just
to be wrong. You know, I was really
moved by that
that uh statement from Don Jr. this
week. You know, he said he went on Fox
News and he said, you know, I've taken,
you know, a lot of incoming because I
haven't been more vocal. Well, now I've
seen it and you know, like you said, the
the the evidence is is compelling. It's
overwhelming. There's a lot of people
that have used that word overwhelming.
We're not telling them to use it. I
think it's just the word that comes to
mind for a lot of people when they see
all of this together.
What is the right path forward with
people? I'm already seeing some of these
comments come out about,
you know, hey, I I drank the Kool-Aid
and I regret that. You know, people
people are starting to little by little
and I think it's I think we're going to
see more of this, you know, sort of
admit that they had it wrong. What What
should What should be our path forward?
>> Well, all three of us represent a
worldview that makes it very clear that
mercy triumphs over judgment. Now it
doesn't cancel judgment otherwise there
will be no such place as a hell. So
eventually there is a judgment but but
all of us are deserving of it. All none
of us are deserving of mercy and that's
why it's called grace. So I I think that
for those who have who sincerely want to
come forward, sincerely want to
apologize, sincerely want to repent, um
first and foremost apologize to Erica
and the entire family. Um, I I think
that I I you know, they deserve an
honest hearing in terms of the the the
integrity and and the sincerity of that
apology uh and that repentance. Um,
therefore, by the grace of God, go I
forgive us our trespasses, Lord, as we
forgive those who trespass against us.
But I I also but but here's the thing.
Forgiveness and trust are not
necessarily the same thing. And I I do
think there's quite a few people whose
trust level through this. I really
believe both Charlie's murder and the
aftermath of it was the latest in a
series of of providential siftings that
have taken place in our culture. And I
think too many people failed this one.
And I think this is where humility has
to come into play. You know, the
arrogance, there's a reason whynosticism
was the first heresy in the history of
our species because it appeals to our
vanity and it appeals to our narcissism
and our egos. Uh, and the idea that you
have the secret knowledge, that you have
the secret sauce, that you know the
stuff that nobody else knows. You even
speak in code. You use terms like
Zionist and Fed slop, like their
conjunctions and sentences, right? You
know, the secret handshake. This stuff
absolutely appeals to our vanity and our
narcissism. And these devices right here
in our hands, you know, 30 years ago
when you saw the the tabloid in the
supermarket, you might have picked it up
and looked at it out of fascination, but
then when you saw the frowns of
everybody in the checkout lane next to
you, you just kind of smiled nervously
and said, "Can you believe this stuff?"
and put it on the counter and walked
away because you were worried about the
the public shame of indulging in that.
But this now takes that element away.
And we can all be anonymous and we can
all do this a million times. and and now
captains of industry who would never
even pick up such materials in a in a
supermarket checkout lane 30 years ago
are now seven pages deep into a Reddit
forum uh you know on on a break they
didn't have scheduled and an appointment
they had to put off because they can't
tear themselves away. And I think that
this was a very painful lesson that I
hope a lot of people learned. And then I
think that you're watching other people
just flat out just demonstrate frankly
that they're just demonic and satanic
influences and I think ought to be
treated as such moving forward.
Well, we have a couple of these
examples, Steve. Um, go up go ahead and
throw up the first one that I I that
that's somebody sent me this, but um
says, "I would like to admit I drank
some of the Candace Kool-Aid and now I
feel so gutted for ever believing Erica
had anything to do with it." And uh
there's actually a second one here that
I just found. If I can get it loaded
here for us. Um, oh, never mind. That's
that that's the wrong one there. I just
somebody sent me another one, but I put
it in the wrong file.
>> I think I think what you said is really
good, Steve. And we have we have to
acknowledge a lot of people are very
open to unconventional stuff. We live in
a low trust time when trust in
authorities and institutions is lower.
And that makes stranger ideas more
appealing. People like to do their own
research and such. But we have to
acknowledge there's there's room for
people to come back on side. There's
room for people to say, "I goofed it
up." But I do think we need some
perspective that we have, if you're a if
you're a voice, if you have a platform,
you have a moral obligation to show good
leadership. And I think there will be
people who will try to just sort of
quietly move on from this. They'll maybe
stop talk. Maybe they were pushing this
and they'll just quietly stop talking
about it or they'll just make a brief,
oh, I was wrong. And I I really do think
that the evidence in this case was so
clear for so long and so
all-encompassing that if a person is who
had a platform is going to come back. I
think there has to be some expectation
of not merely acknowledging that they
were incorrect but I I think they have
as you say they have to apologize and
say I was not just wrong I made a error.
I I did something I did something I
think more I made a moral mistake in
going this far down and I have to try to
atone for that and that might be I have
to acknowledge I maybe am not a platform
that someone can trust unless I really
put in effort to undo this
>> well but I think this has an opportunity
to be another piece of Charlie's legacy
because I throw up this other one
Janelle I watched several of Candace's
podcast. I was one of the people who
believed Israel was somehow involved. It
was extremely convincing and I do not
blame anyone for believing it as I did.
Lesson learned to wait for actual
evidence. I will never make this mistake
again. I regret it and I stand with
Erica. Like these are just starting to
pop up on social media right now. And
you know, so I think if we as a movement
can build up antibodies to some of this,
I think that would be really positive.
And I I have people have my sympathies.
I have entertained conspiracy theories
certainly. And why wouldn't I after
COVID, after the Hunter Biden laptop,
after all this crap that's been stuffed
down our throats? I I I totally
understand that sometimes, you know,
giving proper scrutiny to an official
narrative is the right position to to
take. But there is a far difference.
There's a huge difference between that
>> and then take turning around and
recklessly accusing innocent people of
wrongdoing of heinous heinous evil acts
when the evidence is right in front of
you. And so I think one of the the drum
beats of this is what is the evidence?
Where is the proof? If you can't prove
it, it's not enough to go off vibes and
like speculation and innuendo. You
cannot do that. That no healthy society
can operate and exist in that framework
>> 10,000%. Listen, Christianity is not the
endless asking of questions. In fact,
the the first time the enemy shows up
and speaks in prophetic history, he uses
the following phrase. Did God really
say? That's literally his that's his
line. That's his pickup line to Eve. Did
God really say? Okay. So, we're not into
we're not into the endless asking of
questions. We're into the ceaseless
seeking of answers.
>> All right. So, our worldview says to
ask, seek, and knock to get answers. To
get answers. I couldn't I can't tell you
how many emails I got to my own show. I
can't believe, Steve, you would believe
the official narrative and everything
else on this. Um, and and every one of
them, I tried to write them back, guys,
there's going to be a hearings. There's
going to be a trial. We're going to see
the evidence. Why don't we just let it
play itself out so that we know? And I
didn't begrudge anybody who didn't want
to believe anything until it got to
court. Where I got really uh uh pretty
uh pushy in the push back is when now
you've got alternative theories based on
absolutely nothing that are just clear
biblical violating clear biblical
mandates against the tormenting of
widows and and what's went on here with
Erica for the last 6 to8 months. It's
the most wicked and vile thing I've seen
in my entire lifetime.
>> I mean it's just literally a mainline
from hell itself. It's just wicked. It's
just it's unnatural really is what it
was. Like I felt I felt bad being in the
presence of it. Like it made me it made
my skin crawl. Like I shouldn't be
listening to this. I shouldn't be
watching it. I I shouldn't be subjected
to this. I should turn away. That's how
just pure pitch black this is.
Wow. Wow. Really well said. Somebody um
this week told me in a it was a one of
those oneliners that kind of like, you
know, stops you in your tracks and just
said, "Erica Kirk is the most defamed
person in human history.
She's certainly on a list. She's
certainly maybe the most fame the most
defamed person in the history of the
English speaking world. What's been on
and for what? For being the beautiful
wife of the of the of you know the most
high-profile martyr in the history of
our world. This is the most viewed
murder in the history of our world. And
I but there's a missing piece here I
want to make sure we hit. This all
transpired I believe because of what
happened after Charlie's murder. And
that is the most viewed proclamation of
the gospel that this world has ever
seen. And that's the first time in in in
all my years in my 23 years walking with
the Lord, walking coming out of that
memorial was the first time I thought
there was a real chance we might be able
to unite around first principles as
believers. And so I don't think it's a
coincidence at all that the the enemy
said, "Oh snap, can't let that happen."
And mobilized as fast as he could. Like
I mentioned Don Jr. recently or earlier
here on this talk. I'd be willing to bet
you that Don Jr. told more people about
who St. Steven was than they've heard in
the American church anywhere, Catholic
or Protestant, the last 30 years. I'd be
willing to bet you. All right, the more
church more people came out of that with
more church and more Bible than they
have any singular event in the history
of this hemisphere. That was like every
George Whitfield and Jonathan Edwards
revival and sermon in in just one after
in one afternoon. And I don't think it's
any coincidence that coming after that
then is when the enemy marshaled his
forces, particularly ones he had
strategically placed and let them loose
right at that time to try to knife us
and divide us. And I think moving
forward, two things I think we have to
learn. One, skepticism. We do need to
remain skeptical of things. I mean, as
far as I know, I'm the only person that
wrote two bestselling books debunking
the COVID narrative. But here's the
thing. I didn't offer alternative
theories or projections. I interviewed
witnesses. I I looked at data and facts.
I didn't just wing it, you know, cuz I
didn't want to get sued by Anthony
Fouchy and everybody else. So, I used
often it was their own data against
them, their own assumptions against
them. And I think this brings me to
point two. There's a thing there's
cynicism which is against a biblical
worldview. If your if your worldview
begins with the premise that God
supernaturally intervened in human
history to raise a dead man to life,
then cynicism is not permitted for the
believer. But there's healthy
skepticism. There's healthy skepticism
when you are a time in the age of the
judges like we are now when everyone
does what is wise in their own eyes. And
so what is the difference here? How do
we know? Well, that gets me to the
second point here. When you start, you
know, when you start purporting things
that just don't line up with common
sense. No. Uh no, I don't think Nancy
42157,
if that's even a real person, I don't
think you care more about Charlie and
what happened to him than his wife. No,
I don't. Or his mom or his dad. No, I
don't. I don't think you do. And no, I I
I I don't think Candace Owens thinks and
cares more about Tyler Robinson's fate
and his potential innocence than every
single member of his family and his
high-profile defense team. No, I don't.
And I think when you're somebody like
Shawn Ryan and you're asking questions
of somebody like this a week before this
proceeding, I I think you need to ask
questions like that of like, hey, has
the defense called you up? Have they
shown any interest in what you have to
say? Have you gone to Utah to offer you
know your profer up your results rather
than just sitting there and providing
affirmative platforms like this for just
absolute raw sewage garbage? And I think
when we are defying clear common sense
when you think you care more about the
people involved in this story than the
people involved in the story, there's a
pretty good it's pretty highly likely
that you're engaged in some form of
idolatry.
it. The the team is sending me so many
of these there. There is literally
dozens of these types of messages of
people basically saying, "I was wrong. I
used to be into this. Now I'm not." It
>> It's so goofy to see this that Sean
Strickland is apologizing for it. Sean,
he's an MMA fighter. Very much hates
Jewish people.
>> Yeah. Very much a
out there figure in a lot of ways. I
don't even think he'd disagree. And like
he's seen the light before a lot of
people who ought to know better, I will
say. And that's what that's what pains
me so much about this. There's always
going to be people who believe weird
things. We saw that during co it it
wasn't enough to say, "Oh, obviously
they're fibbing to us about this or
that." you you got really strange stuff
about the virus being uh I think
probably the strangest one I ever heard
was that it was a theory that it was all
snake venom and
you're always going to have that. But
people who have been in media long
enough, who have been around news
stories long enough, should be able to
put two and two together that the
evidence in this case adds up almost to
the point where this could be a a a
clinic you would put on in like a
criminal justice laboratory to show all
the different types of evidence that can
be available in a case. Oh, here's your
DNA evidence. Here's your non-DNA
forensic evidence. Here's your witness
testimony. you have basically every
single piece of evidence that could be
obtained exists. And if someone is going
to take all of that and say, "I reject
all of it. I just think it's all fake.
I'm not going to explain to you how it
was faked." I'm just I'm just going to
say it and I'm going to assert another
completely wild theory that's mutually
exclusive with the three other theories
that I'm going to run with, none of
which have any evidence. That person is
acting with ill will. that person is
willfully choosing to believe something
that is not true because it'll get them
attention. It'll get them views, it'll
get them clicks, it'll get them money,
it will allow them to hurt other people.
>> So, we have
>> That's not any different. That's Pardon
me. I'm sorry. Go ahead, Andrew.
>> No. Uh, finish your thought, please,
Steve.
>> I was just going to say, Blake, that the
irony of everything you just said is
those same people would laugh and mock
those who virtue signaled with their vax
cards, their Ukraine flags, their masks
in their bios. They're just the other
side of the exact same coin is what you
just described. They're they're actually
closer together. It really is horseshoe
theory. They're way closer together than
I think they realize.
>> So, we have this new video. Uh I totally
agree with that, by the way. U I I think
the team is loading it right now from
Benny Johnson. He also had a chance to
look at this enhanced video. We're
getting more and more details here. Um,
he said, "Every moment, every movement
of Tyler Robinson that day captured in
full quality HD, zoomed in, some footage
in 4K, tracking all his movements. You
can see crystal clear Tyler Robinson's
face, the license plate number on his
vehicle." That was another uh point of
controversy with some of this. the Dodge
Charger. There was apparently one of the
people in the houses with the Ring
camera said they thought it was a bald
person with three people, but you know,
instantly we sort of knew in the the
whole scheme of all the mounting
evidence that it was probably just an
eyewitness kind of got confused about it
because the Ring camera had the actual
stuff. Anyways, so um you can see the
license plate on the vehicle, details on
his clothing, and his actions on the
rooftop. And you can time every
horrifying detail to the minute Charlie
Kirk was murdered. What the public
couldn't see was the emotion in the
courtroom. Charlie's family sobbing
uncontrollably. Erica and Mrs. Kirk's
senior's arms. Charlie's father
comforting them. Just feet away sat a
pale, lifeless, emaciated Tyler
Robinson. I'm reading Benny's words. Who
stared at the floor with no remorse as
he listened to the weeping.
says Robinson has never once looked at
Erica this entire trial.
The entire courtroom gasped when the
video was over. Eventually, this footage
will be released. It was really tough to
relive that day in such gruesome detail.
This case is overwhelming. Please pray
for a speedy trial and it the and to all
the tormentors of the Kirk family, you
can go to hell where you belong.
It's really frustrating actually that
they didn't release this footage to the
public,
>> but
>> we'll we will get it eventually. They
delay this. They cannot stop it.
>> I mean, it's good that, you know,
Jeffrey Nyman was successful in getting
this viewed within the court. Um, Erica
and her family completely deserve to see
this.
And you know, I think Jeff basically
said for the sake of processing this,
you know, when he was making his
comments to the judge, he said, "They
deserve to see this. They des like why
are we here if if this isn't, you know,
to actually see the evidence?" And he
said, "They deserve this so that they
can process this moment properly." And
I'm so um
heartbroken for them that they had to
see that that that that that it even
existed, but I'm grateful that they got
to rip the band-aid, see it, and I think
it's so important for for processing
this. And so,
um is there anything specific in that
video? Oh. Um,
I I'm trying to figure out if Jack's
going to be joining us in just a second.
He did see the video himself. Um,
okay.
Let's see if he's going to join. Studio,
how much more time do we have? I want to
make sure I'm keeping it tight.
Okay. Yeah. No. How much time do we
have?
I just want to make sure.
All right. Um, Steve,
you um,
you are a very thoughtful man and you
understand the difference between
pragmatism
and pure idealism.
Something you and I have talked about
when it comes to politics.
If we're going to rebuild this coali
coalition the way Charlie was was doing
it,
what needs to happen next?
First, I would urge everyone within the
sound of our voices to pray that the
judge reconsiders putting this off till
September 1st. There's no reason why
this couldn't be done on August 1st.
It's still almost four weeks, three and
a half weeks until then. Um because I
think the sooner that we can get
something definitive on this and some
closure for the family, but then also
for us as a movement, the the the sooner
we can go about trying to answer these
questions because I I think we're going
to have a hard time answering that
question until there's a more definitive
outlook on the outcome of this case.
Then we'll just see you again in two
months. I think
>> that's a wild answer you just gave,
Steve. That's a wild answer because I
agree with you that the the
fate of the movement that Charlie cared
so much about that he he was so
instrumental in building is directly
tied to closure in his assassination
trial.
Like that's a wild thing to just even
wrap your head around. Please, I didn't
mean to cut you off, but I it's
>> No, no, but because it's it's what's
opened up the fissure of the of what he
was holding together um is his death and
the aftermath of it. And um I think the
certainty of of of what caused that
death and then the outcome for the for
Tyler Robbins and the one who committed
to that cause I think that's the first
step in letting a lot of people you can
already see just from the volume of
notes you guys are getting in right now
as an organization as a show the amount
of people who are like coming in from
like a fog
>> uh you know from like a a spiritual
malaise that is clearing up now.
>> Yeah that's a great analogy. Yeah, like
a spell has been broken here, right? And
so I think that the spellcasters have
got to be confronted. I think the the
spellcasters um you got to find out who
did so maliciously. You know, one of my
favorite lines from Augustine is there
are many sheep without but many wolves
within. And I think one of the things
that is that we've done in in to Charlie
postumously and I saw this after when
Reagan passed away as well that you saw
the more amicable amicable Reagan. You
didn't see the rendevous with destiny
Reagan. They didn't show a lot of those
clips. This idea that the guy went from
um you know a lifeguard to president of
the United States just dropping quippy
oneliners all the way you know and uh
and being not a threat to any evil in
the world whatsoever. And so there's
this idea that Charlie was just this
kind of very gracious host of these
forums on you know on these campuses and
wasn't
>> a warrior wasn't a general he wasn't
fierce right and ruthless when he had to
be.
>> Totally. Steve. Uh, we've got Jack.
Jack. Uh, okay. We just got a few
moments here. I know we're we're
wrestling with the tech there. Jack
Bobic, Human Events Daily, was there
today. Jack, uh, you were in the
courtroom uh, for this viewing of this
this video, uh, that the enhanced video.
What? Tell us what you saw.
Look guys, um I'm I'm not going to um
mince words, all right? I'm going to be
blunt because it's it's it deserves it.
And and I'm just I'm just going to say
what it was. Um
you see him shooting Charlie, you see
him executing Charlie, you you see him
take the shot. And so you've seen the
the video. And Blake, I I know you were
there, man. And
it's it it was like watching Charlie die
all over again seeing this video. This
is the it's the most damning thing I've
seen all week for Tyler Robinson. Um
with with the zoom in, it it it just
changes everything. It's like it's like
watching a completely different video
cuz the one that's zoomed out, you you
can't even see anything. this one. He
walks up. He It's I mean, it's just like
the officer said um earlier in the um I
guess it was day one that he walks up
over the guard rail, goes down and you
can see him kind of working on something
and it it's you know, I believe that's
when he was assembling the rifle. Um he
then stands up. He runs very quickly
across the build the the gravel roof um
to the edge. And then when he gets to
the edge, you you see him go down
and he's in the prone position and it's,
you know, they have they have this clock
um like the time stamp that's up and
it's 12:20. I think it's 12:21, 12:22
when he first gets there. And I'm just
sitting there like,
"Stop the clock." Like, "Don't
like like trying to will time to stop.
Like, don't get to 12:23." Like, just
don't get to 12:23.
And he gets to 12:23.
and you see him take the shot and he
gets back up and then he, you know, he
runs across and you've seen the the end
of it already where he, you know, makes
the jump, but
it's
it's all there. It's it's all there.
It's it's on video. Um, it all lines up.
And
I I got I got very very angry um
watching this video in court. I was
I I was gripping the you know the seat.
Um I think I almost broke my rosary. I
just
And to know that Erica and Charlie's
parents had to watch this with with
Tyler and he was sitting right there and
he wouldn't even look by the way. He
wouldn't even look and I I someone told
me that his own monitor was off. He
wouldn't even look at the video as it
was being played of what he did.
And the fact that he was so
close to us,
it's it's it is an unspeakable evil.
It's
since seeing the original video, this is
the worst thing I've seen. This is the
worst thing I've seen
other than the actual video of the, you
know, the gunshot itself. Um, connecting
that
it was it was very hard to watch. Um,
yeah, it was a shock wave across the
entire crowd. And and by the way, the
the video you so you could see him
walking up too. Um,
and the video that we can see and this I
need to explain this to everybody who
and the the By the way, sorry, I know
I'm jumping around. I'm a little I'm a
little flustered. But
the video that we see played on that
monitor is so much more clear than the
video that's on the live stream. When
you see him walking around, it's not
just a blurry guy or a pixelated guy.
It's Tyler Robinson. It's just very
obviously when he's there in the red
shirt and shorts and he comes back in
all black. It's still it's the same guy.
It's just obviously him. There's no
question about it. It's so crystal
clear. And and every single one of these
videos needs to be released publicly in
its raw form so that everyone can see
that. I understand, you know, certain
things they're wait holding back until
trial. I I get all that, right? But
everyone needs to understand it's on
video. Okay? It's on video. It is him.
Uh uh Benny Johnson came by today and he
hadn't been there earlier in the week
and he said he was stunned because he's
been watching the live stream. I'm not
I'm not watching the live stream. Um and
he said he was stunned at how much
better the video quality is when you're
sitting there and and I guess you know
compression and it's live stream and the
quality whatever. We all know the tech
but um
it's it's just it's very obviously him
walking up to that roof. So,
>> and then to know and see like I mean we
all know what happened, but to see it,
I mean, it's
it's just playing over and over again in
my head.
>> Jack Jack, thanks thank you for sharing
that. And um again, my thoughts
instantly go to Erica and Kathy and Rob
having to see the the very moment that
Charlie's life was robbed from him.
Um, you said, just to be clear, you said
that in this enhanced video, you can see
him taking the shot in the prone
position. You see him taking the shot.
And I just I I asked just because I'm
sure that there's going to be questions
about it. Do was there any explanation
of how the video was enhanced?
Uh,
>> it's it's it's just a simple zoom in.
It's not um it's not anything other than
that. just just literally just zoomed
in. It's it's it's like, you know, um
you know how when when he first uh when
we didn't know who Tyler Robinson was
and they put out that first video of him
dropping off the um you know the the
awning I guess of the Losi building.
It's
>> Yeah, it's it's it's just the it's like
the
>> I guess the five minutes or so prior to
that.
>> So it it looks pretty similar to that in
terms of quality. Um, it's just that
same just it's just a zoomin process.
There's no, you know, yeah, it doesn't
look like there's any AI upscaling or
any of that stuff. It it literally just
looks like a zoom in on So, they took
that wide screen because of course the
>> looking at everything, but it's just a
zoom in. It's just a zoom in.
>> Yeah, Jack, I'm so glad we got the tech
figured out.
>> One of the worst things
>> Yeah. that I've ever
>> So glad we got the tech figured out for
you to tell us that because it was
really important. And um thank you for
being there on the ground with the Kirk
family and the whole team uh being a
support and uh Steve uh Dace has been
with us all hour. Steve, um, thank you
as well for for joining us and, uh, just
want to re reiterate what you meant to
Charlie and he was always a big Steve
Dace fan and u, he he, uh, he made me
one, uh, as well and now I get to sort
of experience that here on the show
directly and it's a total blessing, man.
And, uh, we just appreciate you and
you're a good man and you're um, godly
man. So, thank you for everything. Uh
gentlemen, we got to wrap it up here. Uh
and uh for Real America's Voice, thank
you for taking this recap special all
week long to honor our friend and to um
do our part as we look for and seek for
seek justice for Charlie. And uh I think
this is a really important week. We're
going to look back on it and think of it
as a really really important week and
you all have been a important part of
that. So thank you to the audience.
We'll see you we'll see you on Monday.