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Joshua Carr Reveals Bombshell Evidence From Inside Tyler Robinson's Preliminary Hearing: Confessions, DNA, and Courtroom Drama
Joshua Carr spent over 16 hours covering Tyler Robinson's preliminary hearing, including being inside the courtroom where he witnessed evidence never shown to the public. Carr shares firsthand observations of Robinson's stone-cold demeanor, Lance Twiggs' testimony revealing three separate confessions, DNA evidence linking Robinson to engraved bullets, and emotional moments as Erika Kirk broke down hearing the details. With his mother holding his spot in line from 9 PM the night before, Carr secured one of only 14 public seats to document what prosecutors called their strongest day yet. From burned notes matching phone evidence to Dremel tools with Robinson's DNA, the evidence presented appears overwhelming, while Robinson's family watched in visible pain, clearly believing their son committed the crime despite conspiracy theories claiming otherwise.
Getting Inside the Courthouse
Josh Carr secured his spot inside Tyler Robinson's preliminary hearing through an extraordinary effort. His mother arrived at 9 PM the previous night to hold a place in line, with Carr himself arriving at 2 AM. The 14th person arrived at 1 AM, meaning Carr would have missed his opportunity had he stuck to his original 2 AM plan. The intense public interest reflected the significance of day four, which many anticipated would be the prosecution's strongest showing yet.
Security was extraordinarily tight. Six police officers were stationed inside the courthouse in addition to the bailiff. The head of security personally instructed Carr that any violation of rules would result in immediate removal. Electronic devices were completely banned, forcing Carr to take notes in an old missionary notebook from seven years prior. He couldn't turn his head to look around, couldn't show any facial expressions, and risked ejection for any gesture that might be construed as disruptive.
Elizabeth Lane, a Russian national and pro-Russia commentator who had been attempting to attend, was specifically barred from entry. The Kirk family had expressed concerns about her presence, and security was aware of her intentions to potentially cause disruption. One pro-Candace Owens influencer did gain entry, but Carr chose not to engage with her throughout the proceedings.
The Courtroom Layout and Initial Observations
Carr secured a second-row seat with perfect sightlines to both Tyler Robinson and the judge. The public entered first, followed by the Robinson family directly in front of Carr, with the Kirk family behind him. Erika Kirk sat one row back and to the left, positioned next to Charlie Kirk's parents. Senator Mike Lee made a brief appearance, offering consolation to Erica and Charlie's parents before departing.
Tyler Robinson's demeanor throughout the proceedings was remarkably consistent. He remained stone cold, never turning his head, never adjusting his posture, maintaining an unwavering forward gaze. His body language suggested complete emotional shutdown, with only one exception that Carr documented. The Robinson family, including Tyler's parents, brother, and extended family members, sat directly in front of Carr, close enough that he could hear portions of their conversations and observe their reactions throughout the day.
Lance Twiggs Takes Center Stage
The prosecution presented video testimony from Lance Twiggs, Tyler Robinson's roommate and romantic partner. Twigs met Robinson in 2023, and they began dating after three months of living together. The testimony, given under limited immunity, provided crucial timeline details. Robinson left their residence very early on September 10th, around 4 or 5 AM, hours before Charlie Kirk's assassination.
At 11 PM on September 10th, after the shooting had occurred, Robinson sent Twigs urgent messages: "Drop what you are doing. Got to grab my rifle." When Twigs responded with disbelief, asking "You didn't do it right," Robinson confessed: "Yes, it was me." Twigs asked why, and Robinson provided the chilling response: "Some hate can't be negotiated."
Twigs testified that Robinson returned home the morning of September 11th in a state of extreme agitation, pacing constantly. Robinson broke down crying and explicitly stated he wished he hadn't done it. He told Twigs he would be turning himself in with his parents. Remarkably, Twigs and Robinson's other friends initially didn't believe his confession, despite the shooting being all over the news, because the admission seemed so shocking.
Tyler Robinson's Only Physical Reaction
Throughout hours of testimony featuring his own confessions, DNA evidence, and eyewitness accounts, Robinson maintained his stone-cold demeanor with one notable exception. When Twigs discussed Robinson's employment as an electrician during the interview, Robinson shook his head slightly. Carr observed this as potentially significant, believing it might represent Robinson's only reaction to false information presented in court. Everything else, including his own confessions and incriminating evidence, elicited no visible response, suggesting to Carr that Robinson recognized the truth of what was being presented.
The Engraved Bullets and Dremel Tool Evidence
Critical physical evidence emerged connecting Robinson directly to the crime. Before the shooting, Robinson had asked Twigs for help engraving bullets, providing him with a Dremel tool for that purpose. Robinson claimed he wanted to engrave bullets "for the meme" and because it would be "funny." ATF testing confirmed that Robinson's DNA was present on the Dremel tool borrowed from Twigs, and forensic analysis proved this specific tool was used to carve the bullet casings found in the rifle recovered from the wooded area.
The rifle itself, wrapped in a dark towel, was discovered quickly in the woods based on surveillance footage showing Robinson heading in that direction. All bullets in the weapon bore engravings. During the raid of Robinson's home, investigators found additional 306 shell casings in the spare bedroom next to Robinson's room, including one engraved with the words "test shot." They also recovered target practice sheets showing bullet holes clustered close to the bullseye, with most shots slightly left of center, demonstrating Robinson's shooting proficiency.
The Discord Confession and Surveillance Confirmation
Contrary to conspiracy theories claiming Discord messages were fabricated, the platform was subpoenaed and provided authentic message records. At 7:57 PM on September 11th, one hour before Robinson turned himself in to authorities in St. George, he sent messages to friends in a Discord chat. When friend "Jud" expressed disbelief that Robinson could have committed the shooting, Robinson responded definitively: "It was me at UVU. I am surrendering to a sheriff." He then added: "Look at the surveillance. It was me."
This Discord confession directly contradicts claims by Candace Owens and others that surveillance footage shows a body double rather than Robinson. Robinson himself confirmed the footage's authenticity and admitted to being the person captured on camera. The prosecution emphasized this evidence to preemptively address conspiracy theories, demonstrating their strategy of simultaneously making their case to the judge while dispelling public misinformation.
The Burned Note Discovery
Investigators made a remarkable discovery during their forensic investigation. Twigs had photographed a handwritten note from Robinson on his phone before Robinson destroyed it. The note, addressed to "Luna" (Twigs' chosen female name), read: "I left the house to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm taking that chance." The message essentially served as a goodbye letter.
During the raid of Robinson's home, investigators found a burned piece of paper with only a small white fragment remaining unburned. Through forensic comparison shown in court but not released to media, they matched the handwriting on the burned fragment to the photographed note from Twigs' phone. This proved the note's authenticity and demonstrated Robinson's attempt to destroy evidence. The courtroom presentation of these matching documents side by side created a dramatic moment, with the judge specifically restricting media access to the comparison images.
Emotional Moments in the Courtroom
When Sergeant Faumuina read aloud Robinson's text messages to Twigs, including the callous statement "Judging from today, Gramp's gun does just fine," the Kirk family section erupted in gasps and sobs. Erika Kirk slumped forward in her seat, visibly devastated. Charlie Kirk's mother or a close friend rubbed Erica's back, attempting to provide comfort during the excruciating testimony.
Carr found himself in an impossible position, instructed not to show any emotion while hearing a widow's grief directly behind him and watching the defendant's emotionless face in front of him. Despite his best efforts to maintain composure to avoid ejection from the courtroom, tears came to his eyes. The juxtaposition of hearing Robinson's cruel words read aloud while simultaneously hearing Erica's sobs created one of the most difficult moments Carr has experienced professionally.
The Robinson Family's Visible Pain
While the Robinson family didn't sob audibly like the Kirk family, their pain was evident. Carr observed that they clearly believe their son committed the crime, showing no signs of embracing conspiracy theories. When particularly damning evidence was presented, Tyler's parents displayed visible sadness rather than defiance or disbelief. Defense attorney Nester showed notable compassion toward Robinson's parents, making eye contact with them during difficult moments in a gesture Carr found admirable.
Carr's initial negative feelings toward the Robinson family completely dissolved after observing them in court. He saw decent people suffering through an unimaginable nightmare. Tyler's parents, brother, and extended family members appeared to understand the gravity of what had occurred, sitting through painful testimony about their family member's actions. They deserve prayers and grace according to Carr, who noted their quiet dignity despite their anguish.
The Fingerprint Mystery Resolved
The prosecution addressed a potential defense argument before it could even be raised. Investigators found fingerprints and palm prints on a window near where Robinson jumped down from the roof. These prints did not match Tyler Robinson, creating a brief stir of confusion in the courtroom. However, prosecutors immediately showed surveillance footage demonstrating that Robinson never touched the window during his descent. The prints belonged to someone else entirely, unrelated to the crime.
This proactive approach exemplified the prosecution's broader strategy throughout the hearing. They anticipated potential conspiracy theories and defense arguments, addressing them directly with evidence before they could gain traction. The prosecution team demonstrated exceptional competence in managing both their legal case and the public narrative simultaneously.
The Ballistics Testimony and Defense Failure
ATF agent Sarah Carner testified about the fragmented bullet that struck Charlie Kirk. Her analysis determined it was a caliber 30 projectile, most likely a 306 round. While the fragmentation made definitive matching to Robinson's specific rifle impossible, rendering the test "inconclusive," the defense attempted to twist this into proof of a different shooter. They spent hours trying to delegitimize Carner's expertise and methodology, attempting to force her to declare the bullet a "negative match" rather than "inconclusive."
Carner held firm under aggressive cross-examination, repeatedly stating the results were inconclusive and that there were actually more agreements than disagreements between the test bullet and Robinson's rifle. The defense attorney, whose last name starts with B, became increasingly hostile and rude during questioning. At one point, he began testifying rather than asking questions, prompting a sharp rebuke from the judge. His attempt to trap Carner with out-of-context ballistics images from different firearms failed when she wisely declined to make assessments without proper context.
The prosecution's cross-examination demolished the defense's position, reaffirming Carner's credentials and the validity of her forensic methods. What should have been the defense's strongest challenge to the prosecution's case instead became a multi-hour embarrassment, described in Carr's notes as a "huge waste of time" and "grasping at straws."
The Enhanced Video Dispute
Erika Kirk's attorney made a formal request for the court to display the enhanced surveillance footage from day two showing Robinson accessing the roof. This enhanced version provides a clearer, zoomed-in view that the judge had previously restricted. The Kirk family sought to have this footage shown at minimum within the courtroom, if not to the public, to provide the fullest possible documentation of the evidence.
The defense responded with notable hostility, arguing that Erica had already been "very good at talking to the press" and therefore had no right to see enhanced evidence. This comment sparked an uproar from the Kirk family section behind Carr. The judge deferred addressing the request until after the defense completed their witness testimony, ultimately ruling that the enhanced video will be played in the courthouse on the final day of the preliminary hearing, though not broadcast to media.
Observations About the Prosecution Team
Carr observed prosecutor Grunander in the hallway during a recess telling someone, "Today went very well." This assessment came from someone who barely spoke during the proceedings, instead praising the work of prosecutors Hunt and McBride. The prosecution team displayed exceptional preparation, strategic thinking, and courtroom presence throughout the day.
Their approach went beyond merely establishing probable cause for trial. They systematically dismantled conspiracy theories, addressed potential defense arguments before they arose, and built a comprehensive narrative that would resonate with both legal and public audiences. Defense attorney Nester, despite being on the opposing side, showed friendly interactions with SBI agents off camera, demonstrating professional respect even in adversarial proceedings.
The Path Forward
The state rested its case after the Faumuina testimony, having successfully presented overwhelming evidence. One final witness remains for Friday's proceedings, with the enhanced surveillance footage to be shown only in the courthouse. Following Friday's session, both sides will enter a briefing period, exchanging documents and preparing for oral arguments scheduled for September 1st, approximately two months away.
After four hours of oral arguments on September 1st, the judge will make his ruling on whether to proceed to trial. However, Carr expresses absolute certainty that the case will advance, stating there is "zero chance this does not go to trial" based on the evidence presented. The only alternative would be a plea agreement, which Carr believes the prosecution will only accept if it includes life in prison without parole, and even that may not be acceptable given the strength of their case.
A Message to Conspiracy Theorists
Carr issued a direct challenge to those promoting conspiracy theories about the case. He framed the choice in stark terms: who deserves more trust, Candace Owens who recently spoke at a Russian economic forum and appears regularly on Russian-sponsored television, or Utah law enforcement officers who testified under oath? These weren't federal agents but local UVU officers and Utah State Bureau of Investigation personnel, everyday Americans doing their jobs.
For anyone who believes Candace Owens over sworn testimony from law enforcement, forensic evidence, video surveillance, DNA analysis, and multiple confessions from the defendant himself, Carr stated plainly: "I do not respect you. I don't think you love America and I don't think anyone should listen to your opinion or think that you're pro America." He emphasized that reasonable people can ask questions about details that will be addressed at trial, but the fundamental facts are established beyond reasonable doubt.
The preliminary hearing demonstrated that conspiracy theories about body doubles, Israeli involvement, or fabricated evidence have zero basis in reality. Tyler Robinson himself confirmed the surveillance footage showed him, confessed to multiple people within 24 hours of the shooting, and left behind a mountain of physical evidence connecting him to the crime. The prosecution has built an airtight case while simultaneously educating the public and preemptively addressing misinformation with facts, oaths, and evidence.
Video Transcript
Welcome everyone to day four of the
Tyler Robinson preliminary trial. We are
going to be covering everything. And
this one was very important because as
you guys know, I was in the courthouse
today. We're going to talk about that
whole story. It was also a very
important day because it was probably
the best day for the prosecution and the
defense floundered at the end. Again, I
saw all of this firsthand. I'm going to
be recapping everything. Yes, I'm
wearing the maroon tie as well because I
joined the maroon cult yesterday. I will
also be sharing with you all the
observations from within the courthouse
and it there were many more than I was
expecting. I was expecting it to be
somewhat similar to watching it online.
It was very different. I have a lot of
things to share with you, things that I
was not expecting. And here's the thing.
This is what we're going to start with
today, you guys. And welcome, by the
way, to all of you here today. Uh, as
always, I'm not going to be able to get
to all of your questions. So, please
leave a super chat below if you want
your questions answered. I assume
there's going to be a lot of them today.
There is so much information to give
you. I will probably not be having
anyone call into the show today, but I
will try to answer your questions. And
again, I assume there will be a lot of
them since I was in the courthouse. I
was interacting with the Kirk family. I
was interacting with the Robinson
family. In fact, I actually interacted
more with the Robinson family than with
the Kirk family, as we will talk about a
little bit later. And we're going to
start with this, you guys. We're going
to start with this right here. I was not
allowed to bring in any electronics. I
was not allowed to bring in anything
except this. And funny enough, this is
actually a notebook for my mission when
I was a missionary seven years ago. And
I'm not going to read the first app
because the first part is uh randomly
about like different notes, different
prayers that I said on my mission. Kind
of random, but I found some blank pages
in it. And so that's what I took all my
notes on for the preliminary trial. And
so usually I've got my notes up on
screen here. I'm looking at them. I'm
reading them. I kid you not. I walked
into my house 5 minutes ago, you guys. I
drove directly from the courthouse to
here. Unfortunately, it went long about
about 30 minutes over. I've been up
since 2:00 a.m. So that and I've been
there the whole time. So that's been my
day. And I'm going to be reading from my
notes right here. and it will not be
from any fancy notes on my laptop. So,
this is going to be very informal. But
what I'm going to take you through, and
here's the deal. We're It's Thursday
night, you guys. It's 8:00 p.m. right
now. If you're on the East Coast, I'm
going to get to all your super chats, by
the way. Thank you for those super
chats. Do not think that you are
forgotten. You are not forgotten. I will
answer any questions. By the way, I'm
going to super tick today, Jason. If I
get these super chats and they don't
have a question on them or a funny joke
or something witty to say, do not waste
your super chats on saying something
like, "Nailed it on the suit." That's
like a double nice thing. You've given
me a super chat and a compliment. That's
too much. You need to use your super
chats more wisely. It must be a
question. It must be something witty. I
will not accept anything else. I will
not just accept a donation. It must be
something else. Okay, Jason. I'm talking
to you. I'm also talking to the other
crazy people who've been leaving super
chats. But in all seriousness, thank
you. Paige, you did it, too. Paige
O'Brien just sent me $20. You didn't say
anything witty or ask a question. Do not
waste your super chats, people.
Rock, paper, scissors. Finally made it
live. Thanks for doing these recaps.
Much appreciated. Okay. Hey, I hear you.
I'm glad you're here live. But if I see
you waste a super chat like that again,
I'm going to get mad at you and I'm
going to Venmo all your money back. But
in all seriousness, thank you guys for
the support. I do appreciate it. I
invest all of it back into the show.
This is not something that is
necessarily cheap to do and obviously it
takes a lot of time and I've been up
for, you know, 17 hours working
straight. So, I I really do appreciate
it for real. But here's what I was going
to say. It's 8:00 p.m. on the East
Coast. It's 700 p.m. Central time. It's
6:00 p.m. for me. It's time to chill out
for the day. Get some food. put the
stream up on the TV because what I have
right here, it's not the notes on the
screen. It's a story that I'm going to
tell you. And that's exactly the format
that I'm going to give you. I'm going to
be reading you my personal notes today
and it will happen in chronological
order. So, what you're going to see is
I'm going to be recapping what happened
in court today from my perspective.
You're going to be in the Josh Carr
brain and eyes watching what is
happening in the courtroom. and
throughout. I'm just going to pause the
narrative essentially with random
observations that I had from within. It
happens all the time. I can see
throughout. And by the way, it's like a
lot of pages. Like you could see that
many pages. It maybe it doesn't look
that thick from there, but it was
actually quite thick. So, I've got a lot
of things to share with you. And again,
I will answer all your questions
throughout and take some pauses there.
But I just had a lot of like random
epiphies throughout the trial, some
observations of people's faces. and I
want to share all of them with you. So,
welcome to the best live that we've ever
done. Sorry, I keep touching the
microphone. I'm going to respond to this
last super chat and then we're going to
start. It is from blah blah smile.
Something witty.
I guess that counts. Good job. Let me
take a sip of water because I didn't get
any water in the courthouse.
I'm severely dehydrated. And here we go.
Tyler Robinson, day four. Let us begin
the story book.
I'm going to start with how I got in. I
got into the courthouse and there is
some credit that I have to give to two
individuals specifically. The first is
my mother. Actually, I was planning at
going in at 2:00 a.m. this morning to
wait outside the courthouse and get in
line. There are only 14 seats available
every day, you guys. That means that
less than 70 people were able to even
see this hearing outside of the
mainstream media or the Kirk team or the
Robinson team.
I lined up uh or that was the plan to
line up at 2 a.m. and my mom came over
last night. We were talking for a second
and she said, "You know what? I'm just
going to go over." And so she went over
at 900 a.m. or 900 p.m. last night,
waited in line. She was the first one in
line
and the 14th person actually ended up
arriving at 1:00 am. Meaning I would not
have gotten a spot if I had gone at 2
am, you guys, because the amount of
excitement for today was off the charts
after what happened yesterday. What
happened yesterday is that the
prosecution is wanting to admit some
pieces of evidence of their interview
with Lance Twigs, the lover of Tyler
Robinson, which we got today and I'll be
talking about it. And today was
especially exciting because for the
first time things were shown inside the
courthouse that were not shown to the
media or to you if you were watching the
live stream. But I was able to see it.
So anyway, how did I get in? My mom sat
in line for 6 hours before me. Then I
sat there for six hours. So kudos to
them. Let's just give some claps to my
mother. I also want to give some claps
to my wife Jaye. She supported me
through this. She deserves a lot of
praise. She uh has, you know, made
dinner for me that I'll be eating after
this and uh she made breakfast for me
and and got me ready and told me to wear
the suit and all that stuff. Okay, so
kudos to them. That's how I got in.
Elizabeth Lane, let's talk about her for
a second. Elizabeth Lane has been
stopped from getting inside the
courthouse. If you don't know who
Elizabeth Lane is, she is a Russian
national essentially. She's actually a
Georgian national, but Georgia is a
proxy for Russia. She's very pro-Russia
and she actually showed up yesterday.
She had someone holding her spot in
line. I have intel saying the Kirk team
did not want her in and actually I have
a proof and spoke personally to the head
of security at the courthouse and
Elizabeth Lane was not allowed in
because she was trying to stir up
trouble. That's great news. I mean, just
right off the bat, that's fantastic
news. So, I know a lot of you are
wondering about that. Elizabeth Lane was
spotted here in Provo. She was not in
the courthouse today. There was one
influencer who was very pro Candace
Owens who was in there. I did not talk
to her. I had no interest in engaging
with her. I hope that what she learned
today proved that she was stupid. But
let's be honest, people are prideful and
uh usually they don't come away with the
conclusion that they were stupid.
A few more thoughts. Erica walked in. I
watched her walk in. I walked in first.
This is how it works. The public walks
in, then the Robinsons were in front of
me, and then the Kirks were behind me. I
watched Erica Kirk walk in. She sat
basically back and to the left one row,
very close to me. We saw each other many
times. She was next to Charlie's
parents.
The entry was extremely strict. The
rules for me, just so you guys can know,
and then I'm going to get to some of
these super chats, was for me, I could
not look around in the courthouse. Like
they were so strict I couldn't bring my
phone in even to have in my pocket
because I'm a type 1 diabetic and I have
to have my phone. So I just risked it
and I didn't have my phone. I never knew
what my blood sugar was the whole time.
Turns out it was like 300 which is three
times higher than it should be. It
doesn't matter. It's fine. Now we're
back down to a healthy level. So don't
worry. It was worth the risk. Okay. They
wouldn't let me have my phone in there
for that. If I turned my head to look at
Erica, who was over here, I would get
kicked out of the courthouse. If I
nodded my head, I would get kicked out
of the courthouse. If I turned to my
right, I would get kicked out of the
courthouse. If I made a laugh or a
smiley face, even kicked out of the
courthouse. So, I had to be very careful
with how I looked around at people. And
as as time went on and I built a little
credibility, I started to look around a
little bit more, which we will get to.
Getting inside, like I said, security
was very tight. They did not let in
Elizabeth Lane, people like that.
There were six policemen inside the
courthouse. I thought that was like a
lot. That was in addition to the baift,
by the way. So, there were actually
seven policemen in the courthouse, which
is pretty shocking to me. I mean,
security, they took it very seriously.
The head of security looked me in the
eyes and said, "I don't really care if
uh you know, you are um
diabetic, you're out." Like he basically
just said, he's like, "If you have a
problem in the courthouse, you're out.
If you're stirring up trouble, you're
out. If you're wearing, he did say, if
you're wearing something that uh
potentially could be provocative, you're
out. I got a little scared about my
maroon tie, but I just assumed I would,
you know, have I would just try to deny
it, and luckily I didn't have to. The
Tyler Robinson family was in front of
me. Erica Kirk was behind me. As I said,
Tyler Robinson was stone cold. He did
not move the entire time except once.
And I'm going to talk about that in a
second. I was watching Tyler Robinson so
intently. I had perfect vision the
entire time on Tyler Robinson and I had
perfect vision of the judge the entire
time. I had a really good sit I was
basically sat right in the middle second
row I could see very well and uh that
comes with a very fascinating storyline
that no one has talked about about Tyler
Robinson that I will be revealing
tonight. Now really quick before we
continue and this is where the the trial
really starts or excuse me the the
pre-trial starts for the day. Let me go
through a couple super chats we have.
Grace says, "Candyesites need an
off-ramp that lets them maintain their
dignity or we will never Oh, excuse me.
Or we will never bring them back to
reality like Blexit. How about canned
exit? Let's get this campaign started.
Canned Exits. Join us." Yeah, I agree.
Like, this is what I want to do, guys. I
want to take the Candace crazies and
give them a path to redemption. Now,
should we keep a close eye on them for
the future to see if they do something
crazy again? Absolutely.
But we need to give them a path to
redemption. if we isolate them too hard,
uh, we'll lose because they'll just, uh,
not want to join us, you know, and when
we do want people to join us, Dr. Honda
Wallace, you did not get the memo. I
said no super chats unless you say
something witty or you ask me a question
and you did neither of those things. Um,
so I'm going to have to Venmo that money
back to you because I do not believe in
communism. I think that uh, it's a give
give. You know what I'm saying? And uh
this is a free stream so you didn't have
to send that to me. So he broke the
rules basically is what I'm trying to
say. All right. Other observations
really quick. Mike Lee walked in. If you
don't know who Mike Lee is, I'm assuming
you do. Senator, I literally I mean I
could have missed him. I literally I saw
some of the journalists who are in the
top right who kind of look towards my
direction. So I immediately turned my
head which was against the rules but I
just did it anyway because they were
looking so intense. Saw Mike Lee sit
down. He was not there for the entire
time just for a second.
and he was uh consoling Erica Kirk
essentially and saying some words to
Charlie Kirk's parents. Erica Kirk five.
Okay, this is where we begin. Let's
begin with what happened here. Again, I
just got back from the courthouse. I
have not reviewed these notes. Please
forgive me because I probably won't even
be able to read what I wrote down here.
However, Erica Kirk, we start off the
the day. She filed something with her
attorney to get the entire video out.
What does the entire video mean? It
means between day one and day two, there
was a little bit of shenanigans where uh
essentially there was a video the
prosecution wanted to release of Tyler
Robinson climbing on the roof and
getting off of it. And they had really
zoomed in because this was video footage
and without the zoomin and the
enhancement, it's difficult to see him.
And the judge ruled that he did not want
the enhancement done and so we needed
the the full raw version and we got that
on Tuesday. Erica Kirk's lawyer came out
right at the beginning of the day and
said, "We deserve to see all of it." And
so, uh, we will return to that in a
little bit because that was a narrative
that could have turned out really good
for me. It did not turn out well for me,
but it did turn out well for Erica Kirk,
as we will talk about, and I'm very
happy about that. The media rep was
there. He argued that uh the people
should see all of
basically what happened on that roof and
uh that it should happen in court at the
very least, but probably to the public
as well because basically what was
submitted before was just not
sufficient. And the court determined a
system
where sorry I'm trying to like read my
own legibility here.
basically for the entire day what he
wanted to establish was there were three
cr not three criteria but three levels
and we needed to like speed this up
where you needed to say is this evidence
that I'm about to admit and this was for
everything is this evidence going to be
just for me the judge is it going to be
just for the courthouse or is it going
to be for the public and as we'll talk
about there was a little bit of
everything and I saw some things that no
one else saw now really quick I
mentioned I'm type 1 diabetic I just got
a buzz from my pump telling telling me
I'm about to go low. And if I go low,
I'll pass out on stream. Luckily, I do
have some sour gummies on me. I've never
done this before, ever. But this is what
happens when you've been working for
like 17 hours straight. Uh, I'll pass
out on stream if I don't eat this right
now. So, I'm going to have to eat it and
talk at the same time, which is just not
gentlemanly at all.
But, I don't care. It's what we have to
do. And it's embarrassing because
there's over 800 of you watching me live
right now eat sour gummies.
so that I don't pass out. Sorry. It's It
is the way it is.
Erica's lawyer fought very hard for this
as we'll talk about. He did a very good
job.
One of the side notes that I thought was
very interesting before we get into the
Lance Twigs meeting, which was where
things got really interesting today,
is that I saw Nester. Now, if you don't
know who Prosecutor Nester is, she is
the lead defense attorney for Tyler
Robinson.
She was very friendly
with both SBI agents that testified for
the prosecution.
I found this very interesting.
Obviously, she's on the defense off
camera, guys. She is very friendly with
the agents. Just something you should
know. Um, it made me respect her a lot
more, and we'll get into that later.
Towards the beginning, I also personally
saw Tyler Robinson laughing and smiling
with Mr. Novik. Now, I know a lot of you
hate Mr. Novik. I've seen your comments.
U I don't think it's fair to hate Mr.
Novik, but if you wanted another reason
to not like him, him and Tyler Robinson
were laughing and smiling. I know
there's been a lot of reports of that. I
saw it firsthand. This was during the
first recess. Now, the reason why there
was a first recess is because we got
into the shenanigans again of the
defense doing everything they could to
not let the Lance Twig stuff out. And
the reason why is because this is the
most damning thing we've seen for Tyler
Robinson so far. And now I'm going to
get into it. This is what happened. If
you missed it, uh, again, I just came
from the courthouse. I don't have the
videos to show you. I wish I did. I'm
sorry. I'll come out with another video
probably compiling it all together if
you'd like. I also have the stream out
on my YouTube channel right now if you
want to go watch it. It should be like
one hour in to three hours in up until
the lunch break. There's just some
amazing stuff. I would I would really
recommend going and watching that, but
I'm gonna give you the recap. Anyway,
Lance is being interviewed by prosecutor
McBride. Okay, McBride is one of the
people who was the main characters of
today because not only did he interview
Lance in this Lance Twigs in this um
interview, this recording that we're
seeing on screen, but he also did a lot
of the cross-examining of a defense
witness at the end, and he did a really
good job.
Basically, Lance Twigs is in this video,
and he looks trans. He's got long hair.
Um, he met Tyler Robinson. I'm just
telling you exactly what he said in the
interview. He met Tyler Robinson in
2023. They were just new roommates at
first and started dating after 3 months.
Again, this is Twig's testimony himself
in front of the court and he gave this
testimony because of the fact that he
had limited immunity. Tyler Robinson
shook his head
at Twigs talking about his work.
Twigs was asked about Tyler Robinson's
employment. And that was a completely
normal detail. It's not part of the
actual case at all, but I have to bring
this up really quick. And I know I've
been taking a really long time through
what happened in court, but I'm just
telling you, I saw and felt so many
things. I have to go into detail with
this, you guys. Tyler Robinson, stone
cold, did not move a muscle. He never
turned at any point. He did not want to
see Erica Kirk's face.
He was stone cold looking at the
prosecutor or the defense attorney
talking or if the judge was talking or
if something was on the monitor. He
never looked anywhere else. His body did
not change. He did not lean forward. He
did not go left to right. His shoulders
did not go up. His neck did not turn. He
was like this the entire time. The only
time I saw him move ever was at this
point in the interview when he saw Lance
Twigs say something about him being an
electrician. It was a small detail. You
could see Tyler Robinson go like this.
He's watching. I'll reenact it for you.
I'm Tyler Robinson in this. And he's
looking and he shakes his head like
this. That's all it was. I didn't see
any more movement the entire time. I'm
telling you guys, Tyler Robinson did not
move the entire time. That's the only
time. And here's what I think, and this
is purely speculation. You can say, "Oh,
well, that's total crap. You don't know
that, Josh. Whatever. I'm just telling
you what I saw." I think that was Tyler
Robinson's tell. I think that was the
only time in court today that something
was said that was false.
I think what Lance Twig said there was
probably inaccurate. And I think Tyler
Robinson shook his head, said, "No,
Lance, you're wrong." because again, he
has an intimate relationship with this
man. Everything else stone cold. There
was no shaking of heads ever. I promise
you, I've not seen it on the feed and
the other days. I did not see it in
person. And I think that's significant
because I think it shows that Tyler
Robinson just knows everything that's
being said is true. What What are you
supposed to do? Just shake your head at
everything? No. I mean, you're watching
yourself commit the crime and all you
can do is just be stone cold. I believe
that's what happened. Curious what you
guys think.
How witty. Carrie, I don't think that
counts as witty for a super chat. If you
guys are just joining, please send me
super chats if you have questions
because I'm not going to be able to see
your questions otherwise, but they have
to be questions. I guess that is a
question. Okay, frick. You got me. Okay.
Not only did you say something kind of
witty, you asked a question. Well done,
Carrie. You did it. Well done, Summer
Dugan. What if I don't have a question
and I am not witty? Wait, that's a qu.
Yeah, exactly. Well done. Also witty,
Summer. Well done. Okay, you followed
the rules. That's fine. Blah blah smile.
Accept the super chats. Everybody's
grateful for your efforts. This is give.
Give give. No, I will not accept. I will
not accept. You have to uh ask a
question or say something witty. This is
how this works. This is my live stream.
Jason, I disagree. I have never made a
donation to you or your channel. Not
once. I am rem That's too fancy of a
word for me at this hour. You I'm not
going to say that word. I know what it
means. I'm not even going to try to say
it because I don't want to be clipped
like Candace Owens mispronouncing
things. So, let's skip that word and go
to you for creating important content.
Question. There you go. There's a
question. Thank you. Is Lance Twigs his
real name because it sounds fake. You
are so right about that sounding fake.
Yes, it's his real name. Every time I
say it, I feel like I'm in like in a
cartoon talking about someone. It is
100% right. And it's even better if you
just say his last name and say Twigs
because it sounds like a little cartoon
character and it's kind of fun.
Before we continue, I'm gonna answer
these other super chats. Something
witty. Yeah, Gertie, someone already did
that though. So, is it witty anymore? I
don't know. Maybe you just joined, but
someone already sent that super chat.
I'll allow it this last time. But if I
see another one of those, it doesn't
count. Blah blah smile. Did the judge
seem seriously annoyed? Yes, he did. As
we will get to, the judge cracked down.
This judge is adaptable. He's awesome.
He's great. He is adaptable. We had a
lot less shenanigans today and when we
did, he cracked down hard. I wish I had
the clips for you. I will get them to
you. Don't worry. He got angry at some
times today. Like actually like yelled
at the defense at one point. It was
pretty legendary. I got to like really
go through these. I know you've got
other super chats. Wow. Sarah Black,
thank you for the super chat. Thank you
Joshua for being such a voice for
sanity. As one type 1 di Oh, amazing.
Type 1 diabetic to another. Please tell
me you managed your blood sugar during a
ve tell. Please tell me how maybe is
what you meant. How you managed your
blood sugar during a very long day.
Honestly, it was good almost the entire
day. I'm very good at this. I've got
some systems, but I didn't want to go
low in court and so I opted to take less
insulin for lunch and I was a good
amount shy and so I went really high.
Luckily, I have a pump that brings me
down manually and so I just let it do it
manually, but that of course killed my
time and range. Uh, if you guys don't
know what any of those things mean,
don't worry about it. I hope you never
have to deal with it. Patches Mitch
says, "How was Tyler Robinson during the
Twig's testimony?" Oh, great question. I
mean, we're kind of getting to that.
Maybe I've got more notes on that, but
again, what I said is kind of what I
said. He shook his head once. Other than
that, stone cold. Stare. He He looked at
the monitor. He never avoided eye
contact with what was happening, but he
just stared at the monitor
and watched it. Um, I don't really feel
like he looked uncomfortable. He just
was like, "No emotions." Like, "This
guy's a robot." That's the uh the vibe I
got. Summer Breeze, do you think with
all the evidence from the state, the
defense will want to take a plea or even
be offered one?
We talked about this yesterday. I don't
know. I mean,
I would think so. Like, it's it's so
damning. We're going to get into it. It
there's like like full-on confessions
that happen in court today, you guys.
So, you would think they would want to
take a plea to avoid the death penalty,
but juries are unpredictable. So, maybe
there's an avenue where Tyler Robinson,
and he does seem like a robot, is like,
"Well, let's just go for broke. Let's
see if I can just get off scot-free."
And if I don't, then I don't think a
firing squad's that bad. Maybe he's that
much of a psycho. He does kind of like
get the ultimate say, you know.
Blah blah smile. Could the head shaking
be from feeling betrayed? I don't think
so because we watched some of Lance
Twig's testimony for about a minute
before there was any reaction from Tyler
Robinson whatsoever. There was nothing
there. And then just kind of a random
comment about him being an electrician.
It was a small headshake, but he just
went, "No." Like it was it was an easy
tell. You were like, "Oh, yeah. Clearly
what Lance Twigs said is false." Like
it's easy to read people in that way. It
was very uh organic. You could say.
The Ratchy says, "I don't want to get
ahead of your story, but how did Erica
seem throughout the day?" I will answer
that. I promise. Uh, Erica had many
emotions throughout the day. There was a
very serious moment where Erica lost it
and I lost it a little bit and got very
emotional. We'll get to that in a
second. I don't want to get ahead of the
story for the night. Steven Row, any
clue on what the FBI evidence is that
hasn't been turned over yet?
Um, like it depends what you mean by
that, Stephen. And if the moderator
could Rachel, if you could bring up any
follow-up questions from him, I would
love to have those so I can answer his
question correctly. But, uh, you know,
I'm not sure what you mean. In terms of
the Lance Twigs testimony, there were
some parts that had to be redacted out.
I'm pretty darn sure everything that was
redacted out was Lance Twigs being a
furry. I could be wrong about that. I'm
pretty sure that's what it is. Um, there
was some like weird cuts that I was
seeing from the courtroom that I believe
the public did not see that would lend
itself to that. Off the top of my head,
I can't think of exactly what that was,
but there was a moment where clearly he
had just finished talking about himself
in some sort of embarrassing way. I
think that's what they wanted to stay
redacted. Other than that, the FBI
evidence that hasn't been turned over
yet. I mean, I think the uh the baseline
has been laid out. And by the way, the
prosecutors did much more than, and
we'll get into this. I'm getting ahead
of myself here, but the prosecutors did
much more today than they needed to do,
and a lot of that is because they're
playing to the public as well, and
they've done such a good job doing it.
I'm so grateful for them. Evelyn Dragon
said, "Did God say, excuse me, did God
not say more blessed to give? Thank you
for what you're doing, and the tie looks
patriotic." Well, um, he did say that
first off, and second off, it was a
question that you just said. So, well
done. You followed the rules and you
quoted God's word as well, which is a
double win always. Kathy Kulker said,
"What did you think of Lance saying
Tyler said he wished he didn't do it?"
We're going to get to that, Kathy. I
promise. I give you my word. I will
answer that question, but you've spoiled
for all the people now who didn't know
that the climax of the story today. No,
it's fine. We're going to get to that.
All right, back to the Black Notebook.
If you're just joining you guys, I don't
have notes on screen. The reason why I
don't have notes on screen is because I
got back from the courthouse 10 minutes
ago now and the stream has been going
for 28 minutes. So, I don't know what
I'm saying. 28 minutes. Is that real? I
did not get back 10 minutes ago. I got
back 35 minutes ago. I don't know what
I'm saying. Let's get back into this.
You guys have been distracting me. All
right.
He met Tyler Robinson in 2023. This is
Lance Twigs again. They started dating
after three months. Tyler Robinson shook
his head. Tyler Robinson left. This is
where we get into the story. And Lance
Twigs tells a story. He tells us Tyler
Robinson left early morning on September
10th. Very early, like 4:00 or 5:00 a.m.
He said Twigs got an 11 a.m. message.
Tyler Robinson asked Twigs for help
engraving bullets. That is something
that happened, he said, at least less
than a month before the incident with
Charlie Kirk on 910. Tyler Robinson
again asked Twigs for help engraving
bullets
and
Twigs then read a note. Uh, sorry, I
don't want to get ahead of myself here.
I'm just giving like basic examples and
then we'll go into them because that's
kind of what happened.
Tyler Robinson asked Twigs for help
engraving bullets, provided a tool to do
that. There was also a note left by
Tyler Robinson. These are just basic
facts that Twigs handed over. Twigs
identified a DND discord chat with Tyler
Robinson that existed. We'll get to that
in a second because that dispels a big
conspiracy theory from the Candace Owens
fans.
No messages from Tyler Robinson on the
10th after the 11:00 a.m. message
and many on the 11th. And the court
won't show what's on the Discord at that
time. So clearly at that point, the
Discord message was very important. The
text messages were very important. The
prosecution was setting that up. Twigs
saw Tyler Robinson when he woke up the
next day, the day after Charlie Kirk had
been murdered. Tyler Robinson was pacing
everywhere. Again, this was in the Twigs
interview. Tyler Robinson cried, said he
wish he hadn't done it. And that we come
to 11 p.m. Thank you. I said 11:00 a.m.
Rachel,
please, everyone, listen to Rachel. I
said 11:00 a.m. I meant 11 p.m. Thank
you. Whoops.
And now we get to Cathy's question. What
do you think of Lance saying Tyler said
he wish he didn't do that again? Tyler
cried. said he wish he hadn't done it.
And all of his friends, as we'll get
into, did not believe Tyler Robinson
when he said he did it. They said, "No,
wait. Like, that was actually you."
Because they all knew it happened. It
was on the news. These people were
living in St. George, which is not very
far from where I live and where Charlie
Kirk was murdered about three and a half
hours,
still in Utah.
He said he wish he hadn't done it, that
he would be turning himself in with his
parents. And this interviewer,
McBride is his name, basically, I think
this says showed, but it's difficult to
see. He showed Twigs images of Tyler
Robinson. These images of Tyler Robinson
are the security footage that we've been
seeing for months now. And Candace Owens
continues to say is a body double. And
he asked him point blank, again, this is
Twigs, who was his roommate for years,
and his lover said, "Is that Tyler
Robinson?" And Twigs said, "Yes, that is
Tyler Robinson.
Not only because it looks like him from
his face,
but because it's everything that he
would wear from the shirt to the hat."
That's what he said. Twigs said that it
looked like Tyler Robinson. He said that
Twigs played games with Tyler Robinson a
lot. Twig said they didn't take talk a
lot of politics. This was very
interesting. This is one of the reasons
why he was so surprised that Tyler
Robinson did this. This is a new
addition to the story is that Tyler
Robinson actually did not talk as much
politics as a lot of people thought. At
least that's according to Lance Twigs.
McBride showed twigs.
Oh, excuse me. Oh, let me go back. One
of the key pieces of evidence is that
they showed that Twigs also identified
as Luna. Luna, and that's going to come
in later. Luna is the female name, or I
guess I should say the woman name of
Lance. That's the girl name that he
chose. Essentially, all of this was laid
out. And you're thinking, and believe
me, I was seeing the same thing. I'm
thinking, okay, interesting. Good that
he identified that he maybe engraved the
bullets. We have these little things,
but they're not proving anything. So,
where's the proof coming? And then we
got to this guys, and that is where
Davis, SBI agent, got back to the stand
and things just went crazy. Davis was
present for this interview. So, not only
was he present in the courthouse
testifying, he was present for that
interview. Twigs was shown multiple
notes and messages between him and Tyler
Robinson and confirmed that they were
real. And we saw all of these messages
up on screen. Davis was shown photos of
messages from Lance's phone, not
screenshots, but a picture of someone
holding the phone. And one of the
interesting things is we knew this was
his phone because it resembled a crack
in the screen that only his phone had.
This was something touched upon very
much. It could not be I mean it could
theoretically be doctorred, but the odds
were much lower. And we saw the person
holding it. We saw their hand, which is
a unique hand.
And the first text sent was at 11 p.m.
like Rachel said, on the 10th, so this
would have been uh almost 12 hours after
Charlie Kirk had been assassinated.
And I'm just going to paraphrase them.
This is between the two. The text said,
"Drop what you are doing. Got to grab my
rifle." That's what Tyler Robinson said.
Lance said, "You didn't do it right."
And Tyler then confessed and said, "Yes,
it was me." L again, this was shown in
open court today. Lance said, "Why?" And
Tyler said, "Some hate can't be
negotiated. We have seen these texts
before. We had not previously seen an
investigator and Twigs himself admit to
this conversation. This was read at
11:50 for those of you wondering. 11:50
today, I'm saying. So, if you want to go
back and watch this on the stream again,
it's on my channel. And this is where we
get to Erica Kirk. I'm going to talk
about Erica Kirk for a second. What I
was seeing, we're going to interject
into the story with my own story, with
what I was seeing with my own eyes. I'm
sitting there in the courtroom
and uh you know hearing things like
some hate can't be negotiated, you know,
getting into Tyler's mind, hearing how
depraved and just evil and savage he
was. Um I cheated a bit because as I
mentioned earlier, if you're just
joining, I was not allowed to turn my
head in the courtroom. I would have
gotten kicked out. I turned my head just
a little bit because Erica Kirk was
right here. That's where she would have
been. Okay, I cheated a bit. Erica Kirk
was slumped over. Let me uh I I'll just
show you. And it's not to make fun of
her or anything like that. It's just I'm
just telling you what I saw. She was
like this and her head was down like
that. Um she was obviously in a lot of
distress hearing this. From what I've
gathered, this was the most distress
that she's probably had since the
graphic material was shown on the first
day.
Charlie's mom, either her or her friend,
I'm not sure who it was. Again, I
couldn't get a clear line. I was just
seeing out of the corner of my eye, was
rubbing her back and consoling her.
Again, she was sitting next to Charlie
Kirk's parents. Tyler Robinson, getting
going back to the story, Tyler Robinson
was at the wooded area trying to get his
rifle. This was the conversation he was
having with Lance Twigs. He was
basically saying, "I got to get this
rifle back, but I can't because there
are cops everywhere." He said he drove
by UVU to check it out. That, by the
way, corroborates with the story and the
video that we got on Tuesday. On
Tuesday, we got testimony that Tyler
Robinson had gone to UVU four times. One
of those times was actually after
Charlie Kirk had already been
assassinated. Many people were wondering
why that was. It's because he was there
to check it out. He said it in the text
himself to Lance and he was there to get
his rifle back. Little did he know they
had the rifle for a long time by then.
Um, it was clear that the redacted
Excuse me. Oh, yeah. I already mentioned
this, but it was clear the redacted
video they didn't want to show of Lance
Twig's testimony was of him being a
furry. So, let's pause there for a
second. It gets much crazier, you guys.
If you think, "Wow, this is very
damning. I mean, he just admitted to it
and that was again admitted evidence and
Lance Twigs corroborated it. We have
three people corroborating the story
right now. Um, if you think that's as
bad as it gets for Tyler Robinson,
you're wrong. It gets worse. But first,
we've got some super chats. I do
appreciate you guys. Thank you. I've
worked so hard to try to get this
information out to you to be on the
ground. You know, I've been outside the
courthouse. I've been in the courthouse.
Few people have been willing to do it.
So, every bit does help. Connie Larson
says, "I am type one, 39 years and a
nurse and never want to see you without
glucose tabs again. Imagine stirring a
glass of gummy bears and water. They
don't dissolve fast enough to get your
sugar up." Okay, here's the deal. I
don't want to fight you on it because
you have 39 years and I was diagnosed 10
months ago. So, I am by no means a
veteran of type 1 diabetes. But these
bad boys, they go fast. Like, I eat one
of these and my blood sugar goes from 70
to 150 in like 10 minutes. So, I trust
the process. I actually feel great right
now. I think that did the trick. Thanks
for indulging me and eating candy on the
stream. Natalie says, "Why do you think
Lance is getting immunity? It's so hard
to believe he didn't have prior
knowledge. Also, thank you to your mom
for getting in line." Yeah, thank you to
her again. Why is Lance getting
immunity? It is temporary immunity. All
he got immunity for was what he said in
that interview. It's not permanent or
total immunity. He could absolutely be
tried still. I will say if you go back
and watch him, he's quite convincing
that he really was shocked that Tyler
Robinson did this and did not know that
he was going to do it. That doesn't mean
you have to believe that. All I'm saying
is if you go and watch that,
it's kind of convincing. So, I don't
know what the prosecutors will do, but
they he doesn't have total immunity.
They can 100% prosecute him, but I think
they're going to focus on Tyler first.
Remember the Lord first says Twig said
Robinson wanted his Dremel tool to
inscribe bullets to go hunting with his
dad. You really believe that's how that
combo went?
Yeah, that seems that seems unlikely.
That's a good point. I agree. And we're
going to get to the Dremel tool here in
a second because that is massive. Like
absolutely massive. Personally, and this
is where things are tricky, right?
Because he actually testified this under
immunity. So, I'm not sure what they can
do with this, but that Druml tool is
where I think they could get Lance Twigs
the best. It shows like ah dude what did
you know to your point like what else
did you think he was doing? We've got
just a couple more super chats before we
continue the story. Megan's
postmenopausal rage is back. She said,
"You are such a nice young man. Yes,
sometimes even the queen of snark just
has nothing witty to say. Thanks for the
dedication to your job." Thank you,
Megan. I appreciate that.
Jenna Alonzo, hi Josh. Recently started
listening to your podcast. Thanks for
what you do. What do you think of
Candace's new theory that Ben was
involved because his security contacted
Charlie during the incident? I'll give a
quick thought on this, but I'm going to
make a full episode on this. I've just
been covering the case. And frankly, you
know, as much as I've tried to dispel
the conspiracy theories, this week, I
really want to just focus on the facts
because
it's almost like like the defense and no
one else has even like tried to engage
with the conspiracy theories. And the
reason why is because they're just so
crazy. And so if the defense is even
willing to do it, it's like should we? I
think we should to a degree, but this
week I just want to keep it simple. So,
I'll answer your question since you
asked and then we'll get back to the
facts. But the facts of the matter are
this. Um, we did not know what was
happening when Charlie Kirk was shot. I
myself, and I was not a large political
commentator at the time. I still am not,
but I'm I'm bigger than I was back then.
I myself was concerned since I was one
mile from the shooting that someone
could be coming for me. as me and
Charlie Kirk do share a lot of our
beliefs and I immediately
uh was monitoring the situation and I
did not leave my house and I believe
that Ben Shapiro is one of the closest
and ideologies to Charlie Kirk as well
and I believe that the security team was
warning Ben of a potential hit on him.
So the conspiracy theory from Candace is
stupid. She does not understand this
because of course no one would try to
put a hit on her because she's not in
the same league as Charlie. They didn't
believe any of the same things. But
also,
this is just facicious. She just hates
Ben Shapiro. Like honestly, it's just
that plain and simple. Like anything
about Ben Shapiro or Jeremy Boring just
sets her off. Uh the reason why the
security team talked to Ben is because
he has a lot a large platform. He can
get news out and also because they were
concerned most likely that there could
be a hit out on him. Paige O'Brien,
question for my first super chat. Please
accept. I just want to support the show.
Question for this one. What the demeanor
of Tyler's parents was. I'm going to get
to that in a second if that's okay. I'm
going to take a break on that because I
had a lot of interaction with Tyler's
parents. Like a lot. Um, they were
sitting directly in front of me. So was
his brother. So was I think his cousin.
And so was his aunt and uncle right
there. Could have touched them. We
locked eyes many times. I'll get to it
in a second page. I apologize. I don't
want to not answer your question, but
it's part of the story. Blah blah smile
says, "Did any Kirk's interaction with
the Robinson family?" No. No. None of
them interacting with them whatsoever.
Uh, not in any negative way. Not in any
positive way. No interactions
whatsoever.
Autocorrect sucks indeed. One more super
chat and then we'll continue our story.
Did Tyler Robinson have any interaction
with his parents today? Not that I saw.
Every time I left the courthouse because
we went to recess and to lunch, Tyler
Robinson was in there. And every time I
got back in, he was in there. Never saw
him interact with his parents. Never saw
him look at anybody that was there for
him.
Great question, by the way. I did not
include that in my notes. Really good
question. All right, back to the story.
Tyler Robinson in his messages to Lance
Twigs admitted and again we saw these
messages up on the screen. They were
corroborated by the investigator. He
admitted to engraving the bullets for
the meme. That's basically what he said.
He says it's a meme. It's going to be
funny.
He said, "Judging from today, Gramp's
gun does just fine." In a text to Lance
Twigs. And when he said that, there was
the biggest reaction from Erica and the
Kirk camp. And you can understand why
that is a callous thing to say. I mean,
of course, the worst thing you can do is
murder someone. So, I don't think any of
us are surprised that he did something
callous. But when those words were read
aloud, and the sergeant did read them
aloud, he read every word aloud, all the
expletives as well,
there was a large gasp from behind me
because again, the entire group behind
me was Erica Kirk and her family and her
friends, including by the way, Brandon
Tatum, who I said hi to, as well as
Graham Allen.
And uh there was sobbing that started
behind me, mostly to the left, which was
Erica Kirk and Charlie Kirk's parents.
And I was instructed in that room that I
could not show emotion in any way. And I
couldn't not
and I'm getting emotional about it even
now. Um
I'm sorry.
It's not professional, but um
I just
it was really hard
to just look forward in that courthouse
and look at the back of the head of
Tyler Robinson and hear the sergeant
simultaneously reading all the callous
things he said to Lance Twigs and hear
the sobbing of a widow behind me.
You guys know I've always been a
defender of widows and Erica, but
hearing her cry behind me was one of the
hardest things that
that I've had to hear in a long time.
And I heard Charlie's mom as well.
Part of the reason I'm emotional is cuz
I haven't slept in a long time. I'm
sure. Uh, but it was hard to hear that
you guys and uh,
you know, I had some tears in the
courtroom and I tried to keep it
together so I didn't get escorted out,
but I wept with them and I felt their
pain. Um, I know that that was hard for
them. They didn't leave the courthouse.
They sat through it. Now I've got
eyelashes all in my eye. I'm not going
to be able to look at the camera.
I'm really happy there are 1600 people
live watching me cry right now.
But that was the hardest and the most
somber part of the hearing
was having to hear people so behind me.
As we'll talk about in a second, I also
felt a great deal of pain for Tyler
Robinson's family. They didn't sob when
they heard those things, but there was
pain for them as well. Getting back to
the story, and I know there's a lot of
super chats. I do appreciate you guys.
I'll get to your questions in just a
second.
But getting back to what happened in my
notes,
we got now uh we we went from messages
uh on the iPhones, I assume, between
Lance Twigs and Tyler Robinson, and we
went to Discord. And this is important
because we've been told many times from
conspiracy theorists that Discord is
fake, that these Discord messages were
fake, that Discord themselves have come
out and said that there was no chat.
That was completely put to bed. Discord
sent the messages that we saw in court
today because they were subpoenaed. So
any lie you see out there about people
saying that Discord, no, there was no
Discord chat, just understand Discord
was subpoenaed. It had to do it. So
that's all a lie.
You'll remember we talked about this at
7:57 p.m. there was a message on
September 11th. This was one hour before
Tyler Robinson turned himself in in St.
George. This was not shown for the
media, but I saw it. This was one of the
few things of the day and the first
thing of the entire trial, I believe the
pre-trial, I should say, that I saw and
someone was able to see in the court
that wasn't seen by the public. And I'm
here to share it with you right now.
Tyler Robinson said the following. It
was and I saw the text in the Discord
myself. Again, I know some of these
information, this information has been
out already, but that does not mean that
the screenshots that were already um
verified along with the testimony the
officers were out. Tyler Robinson said,
"It was me at UVU. I am surrendering to
a sheriff." Tyler clarifies and said,
"Yes, it was me." and his friend Jud,
who is in the chat, says, "Look at the
surveillance." Or, excuse me, Jud said,
"No, there's no way it was you." And
Tyler Robinson himself says, "Look at
the surveillance. It was me." So, Tyler
Robinson himself has argued against
Candace Owens claims that the
surveillance tape was a body double. We
have proof of Tyler Robinson himself
coming out and saying, "Yes, it was me."
So, it's all a lie.
We also got a handwritten letter. This
handwritten letter was not recovered,
and we'll get into it in a second. This
was like true crazy documentary
investigation stuff I'm about to
describe to you, but we have a
handwritten letter that Twigs had a
picture of and turned over to
investigators. And we saw this as well.
I believe the media did not see this. I
could be wrong on this. The letter read
as follows. Luna. Again, Luna is the
female name for Lance. Tyler Robinson
said, "I left the house to take out
Charlie Kirk and I'm taking that
chance." And basically said, "Goodbye,
my love." That was a written note that
has been verified as Tyler Robinson. So,
what I just described to you is three
separate occasions
where Tyler Robinson confessed to the
crime within 24 hours of it. And guys,
we are just getting started. There is
more evidence that is going to come out
that I'm going to talk about tonight.
We've been talking for 50 minutes
already. This stream is going to go
long. We have to get this information
out. It will take as long as it takes. I
hope you'll stick with us. This
information is powerful. And again, I
have more insights from inside of the
courthouse. We do have a few super chats
I want to read. And to be honest, again,
this is kind of embarrassing, but I've
been on the road all day and my laptop
is gonna die. So, I'm gonna have to
leave for like 10 seconds to get a
charger. I know that's crazy, but that's
the nature of being on the road for 17
hours straight. But, let me read a
couple before I go do that. Patriot Boy
Mom says, "I need to know if the judge
is related to Brian Enton."
Um, Rachel, will you look into that
really quick, would you? I don't know if
he is or not, but he's awesome. I love
the I really love the judge. Jason, do
you think Tyler may have had a
crush/complicated infatuation with
Charlie? I'm not buying the some hate
can't be reasoned with comment. I'm
getting major Mark David Chapman vibes
from him. It's possible. In fact, Jason,
I don't think that's that far off. And
the reason I say that is because Twigs,
who said a lot of very truthful, honest
things, again, because he had immunity,
said Tyler Robinson didn't talk about
politics all that much. And that was
really fascinating to me. And again, the
prosecution put this information
forward. They wouldn't have put it
forward if they didn't think that was
relevant or good for their own case. And
so I think you could be correct in that
that was one of the reasons why he had a
crazy weird mental illness infatuation.
It wasn't all politics, though. It
certainly was about politics as well and
religion, as we'll talk about. Lynn
said, "Charlie, so proud of you for
being there for his mother and
especially his widow, sweet Erica."
Well, you know, I didn't give them hugs
or anything. That was strictly
forbidden. So, I don't know if I was
there for them, but I I did silently,
you know, I I was in solidarity with
them in silence. All right, I think that
was our last super chat. Again, I'm
sorry. I just can't get to all your
questions. If you leave a super chat, I
give you my word that I will get to it.
And with 1800 of you, I do have to go
get a charger. I'll be gone for 15
seconds while I plug my laptop in. And
then we will continue with this story
and with some other crazy bombshell
evidence.
All right, we're back in business. We
didn't lose anyone. Let's continue with
the black book. Here we go. I want to
talk about the Tyler Robinson family.
The Tyler Robinson family does not
believe Candace Owens.
This is the first and probably most
important vibe I got from them. They do
not believe the conspiracy theories at
all. I think they absolutely know that
Tyler Robinson did it.
As I said, I was sitting behind them, so
I got to see their reaction much easier.
I could see their faces a lot of the
times. They were turning to each other,
talking to each other. I actually heard
a lot of what they said. I may share
some of what they said. I'm not going to
share all of it. Not that anything was
crazy, but you know, they didn't want it
broadcast out there. So, I I do want to
respect their privacy to a certain
degree.
And they clearly know that he did it
because when horrible things came out in
court, they looked very sad. They did
not look defiant. They did not look
like, "Oh, no, but it was Israel who did
it." No, it was, "Dang, that's horrible
that the boy who is in our family would
do something like that."
The court showed surveillance photos.
Uh, this is the one that Tyler Robinson
referenced in that note when he
specific, excuse me, not in the note,
but in the Discord messages. He said
specifically, "Well, look, the these are
clearly me." They showed those in court
to make sure everyone knew. And after
that point, we took our first break.
Just so you guys know, if you're
watching the live stream, that's where
we were at with that.
One of the interesting things with the
Tyler Robinson family that I saw was
when I walked in, the Tyler Robinson
family was in front of me. And Nester,
Nester is that woman who's blonde,
she is the chief defense attorney for
Tyler Robinson. She had turned around
and she wasn't talking to the Tyler
Robinson family, but I saw a lot of
compassion in her eyes.
um she was looking directly at the
parents of Tyler Robinson who were
clearly struggling and I saw a lot of
compassion in her and uh that was one of
the most
moving things that I saw all day. So I
know a lot of us can get kind of
passionate about our side and hoping
that Tyler Robinson goes to jail for
life at the very worst and at the very
best will be executed.
But um you know I and I appreciate that
and I I think that the defense should
still give him the best defense possible
and I think her compassion for the
Robinson family was really admirable.
One thing that I felt during it,
especially as Erica Kirk kind of broke
down behind me is my hatred, frankly,
for Tyler Robinson only grew and my any,
you know, feelings that were bad towards
the Tyler Robinson family completely
went away. Uh, I looked into the eyes of
Tyler Robinson's parents several times,
some at recess, some during the court
trial. Um, these seem like decent people
and people who are suffering.
So, that's just a big takeaway I had. I
had to share that with you guys. They
deserve grace. They deserve our prayers.
And I hope they can get through this.
Um, I just don't feel any animosity
towards them at all after seeing them in
court to be honest with you. We've got
back. So, sorry. Let's uh fast forward.
Let's get to some more evidence. This
was a another round of just brutal
evidence against Tyler Robinson. We
changed people who was testifying. We
went back to Sergeant I want to say this
right. Foul Mauina
and uh we heard a brief testimony from
her. I believe it was Tuesday. Maybe
someone's going to have to fact check me
on that. It was either Tuesday or
Wednesday, but we heard her entire scope
this time. And she described each
individual crime scene. And when I say
each individual crime scene, what I mean
by that is the roof, the courtyard, the
wooded area. She talked about each one
in detail. She testified on the roof was
Tyler Robinson's perch. Again, this is
multiple testimonies corroborating the
same thing. And when they say perch,
what they mean is indents in gravel
where someone was laying to take a shot.
She saw a screwdriver.
She saw swipes. And what swipes are are
hand marks of somebody of Tyler Robinson
essentially jumping down from the roof.
And um
one thing that they talked about which
was very interesting is footprints that
again another officer had already
corroborated from earlier. They also
talked about handprints
that were on a window very close by um
to where he dropped down. And we will
return to those handprints a little bit
later in the story, but that was
something new that I don't think
anyone's ever talked about. This
sergeant said the distance from the roof
to the tent is about 415 feet. For any
of you who are wondering how long the
shot was,
the shooting impression on the roof was
there. You could see again the uh
finger, you know, the the excuse me, the
the position that he was laying in where
the gun would have rested, fingerprints
and palm prints on the window like I
talked about. Tyler Robinson jumped
down. And what was interesting about
that, and we will return to this, is
that those fingerprints did not match
Tyler Robinson. They did not match Tyler
Robinson and there was a bit of a stir
in the courtroom when that was announced
and all of us were very confused why the
prosecution would bring that up. We will
come back to it. Do not worry. Now we go
to the wooded area. The wooded area. A
rifle and a dark towel was found. Again,
I am repeating information that has been
said by other witnesses. And the reason
why I'm repeating it is because this
sergeant repeated it and gave more
information. She was the person in
charge there.
The reason why they looked in that
wooded area is because they saw footage
of Tyler Robinson going in that
direction. They found it very quickly.
It was not difficult. We actually got
pictures of the gun in the bush. We had
never had pictures like this before. We
could see it wrapped in the black towel.
It was then carefully taken apart. You
could like show they showed pictures of
it moved to a cardboard box and then
they took a picture of the gun itself.
It was exactly what other people have
described. And then they IDed each part
of the gun. Now, before we get to the
gun, which is so important and it proves
a lot of things, especially when it
comes to the bullet engravings, which
we'll talk about in a second, I want to
address uh a couple of the super chats
that have come in. Again, thank you so
much for the super chats, guys. It helps
me continue my work. I have absolutely
no idea what currency this is. This
could be
$50,000 US or it could be five cents and
I don't know which one it is and that's
okay. But 10 for I or else the best part
is that Candace's theories are just such
slop that even Tyler Robinson isn't
referring to it exactly. The defense has
not brought up a single theory from
Candace Owens. They do not agree on
anything. Gray said Twigs had the
foresight to take a pick of the note. He
never planned to stand by Tyler. He
wanted to protect himself. The love was
a one-way street. I completely agree
with you. Twigs was very forthcoming in
that interview and he had the receipts.
Clearly shows he did not want to go down
with Tyler. I think it's the reason why
I'm going to say I don't think Twigs was
in on it. I don't think Twigs really
like was planning this premeditating it
with Tyler Robinson.
Greg said, "Is tomorrow, Friday, the
last day of the pre-trial hearing?" I
promise we'll get to that at the very
end because today's hearing went long
and it's because they addressed this at
the end. Again, I was in the courtroom
to see all of it.
We've got a few more super chats, I
believe. Kathy, will Tyler's parents be
called by the state?
That's a great question. Um, they will
not be called by the state as we will
get to in the hearings this time, but in
the trial that is certainly possible.
The trial is going to last a very long
time. It will be exhaustive.
10. Are Tyler's parents not allowed to
directly comfort the victims? I heard
they were conservatives. I'd imagine
they'd want to profusely apologize. I
think that's
probably not what you want to do if
you're trying to save your son. And uh
you know what? I think that there's a
bit of a line here, and I know many of
you might disagree with me, where a
parent is looking at this and knows
their son did it and thinks that they
should not be executed still. Because if
I know anything about being a parent,
you'll do anything for your child not to
die. And so, I think comforting them and
apologizing them is basically admitting
guilt. And I don't think you want to do
that if you're Tyler Robinson's parents.
You know, if I'm them, I'm hoping that
Tyler Robinson gets justice and goes to
jail for the rest of his life, but is
not killed. Again, I would rather see
him executed, but I'm just thinking from
the position of the parents.
Vcott, why do you insist on rejecting
our generosity and gratitude unless it's
in a form of a question? Tears show
humanity and we're right there with you.
Well, thank you. I do appreciate that.
I do appreciate your generosity. I do.
Thank you, guys. All right, let's return
back to the story. This is when we get
into the gun more and we get into the
bullets.
Sergeant FA Mina testified that they
found one 306 casing fired with three
unfired shots with engravings on all of
them. They showed the bullets with the
engravings in the courthouse. I don't
remember if the media saw this. I feel
like they did. Again, it's a little bit
hazy. It all kind of just blurred
together. I forgot what they were. I
couldn't really tell what they were
showing me versus what they were showing
you guys, but they showed the bullets
with the engravings. Uh, it was
confirmed a Remington 306,
not a 223 caliber, which is what the
defense is trying to say actually shot
Charlie Kirk. It's one of the things the
conspiracy theorists are saying. She was
specifically asked about this. Again,
the prosecutors are so on top of this.
Not only are they going after the
defense, they are going after
the conspiracy theory. Horrible people,
they're on top of it. And they
specifically asked her, was it a 223
caliber? She specifically said it was
not.
They obtained more 306 shells from Tyler
Robinson's home. When they raided it,
they showed casings. Excuse me. Yes,
they showed casings from the spare
bedroom next to Tyler Robinson's.
I'm trying to remember if that was
showed on on camera. I feel like that
wasn't. So, I think my notes might be
incorrect on that. But, they were saying
they found the casings in the spare
bedroom next to Tyler Robinson's. These
are 306 bullets. They found an engraving
on a 306 that said test shot. That's
what the engraving said. They found
Sorry, I'm reading my notes. It's so
hard for some of these notes to see. I
do apologize. I was writing so fast
because so much was coming in.
Every single shot that was in the the
gun had engravings. Again, they showed
it. Uh they also showed, this is new
evidence we've never seen before. I've
never heard anything about this. This
will interest you guys for sure. In that
spare bedroom, they found targets like
target practices with holes in them. All
the holes were very close to the
bullseye, proving that Tyler Robinson
was 100% capable of making a shot like
he did. Again, he missed and hit Charlie
Kirk's neck, but not by a lot. He
clearly knew how to shoot. He was
slightly left on most of these targets
that they found. You could see the hole
in them. They also recovered a burnt
note with a small piece unburnt.
This was crazy, you guys. And this was
actually a bit of courtroom drama. It
matches the note from Twigs's phone from
earlier. And this was only shown in
court. This was not shown to the media.
Why was there drama? Because it flashed
for the media for a moment. And everyone
freaked out, including the judge, and
said, "No, no, no. We're not releasing
that to the media." There was a small
piece of burnings. No one could tell
what was in it, but a tiny piece of
white was remaining. Again, I saw this
in the courthouse. None of the media
have seen this. Only a few people other
than my eyes have seen this evidence.
Like literally only 50 other people and
only 14 of them were not tied to this
case directly.
There was the note again from Tyler
Robinson's phone. He had taken a picture
of this note and then there was a burnt
piece of paper and you could see that
they matched. There was a small piece
where you could say they had the same
handwriting. There was like two letters,
but it was the same note proving
that that had been destroyed by Tyler
Robinson, that it was a real note. It
wasn't some AI image. It was legit. That
part was honestly crazy. Like, everyone
in the courtroom was like, "All right."
You know, it was cool.
They then collected Tyler Robinson's
car. Again, this is part of the raid.
They showed the lab report and swabbed
every part basically of the rifle. We
saw the picture of the rifle from
earlier. It matched Tyler Robinson's
DNA. Same with the casings. We then got
the
the uh kind of summary of the fragmented
bullet being inconclusive. You guys
remember this came out a couple months
ago that they got the fragmented bullet.
They could tell that it was a 306. They
couldn't tell though for sure uh you
know if it came from that specific gun
and we'll get to that in a second
because that's a huge topic of the last
like afternoon today where things got
really heated in the courtroom.
ATF tested the Dremel tool that was
borrowed from Lance Twigs and Tyler
Robinson's DNA was on that tool as well.
And tests also confirmed that the Dremel
was used to carve the bullet casings in
the rifle.
So, uh, I don't know what to I don't
know what to say. I mean, beyond the
three confessions we talked about, we
now have have evidence and concrete
evidence that Tyler Robinson borrowed a
Dremel from Lance Twigs. His DNA was on
the Dremel. He then used that Dremel to
carve
into bullets that shot Charlie. And we
know all of that through forensics.
Like, it's a fact. The only disconnect
we have is that a shot was fired. There
was no casing. The casing was in the gun
that they found in the wooded area.
That's the only disconnect. Other than
that, it's a perfect line to Tyler
Robinson. anyone who's reasonable knows
that it was Tyler Robinson from that
fact alone, let alone all the security
footage, all of the confessions that we
saw and uh much more that we'll talk
about in one second. First, I want to
address these super chats. Song of the
Fierce.
No shame in getting emotional hearing a
woman cry and knowing there's nothing
you can do to help. Appreciate what you
do. Do you think the prosecution will
successfully filter Candace followers
from the jury?
I can't say for certain, you guys, but
after what I've seen from this
prosecution, I trust them to do it.
Uh they're pretty spectacular.
They're really good. They've just been
so fantastic. So, uh yeah, I trust them
to do it. They're going to do great. A
couple other ones. Blah blah smile. I
made a 33 second video on my other
account. I hope to share with you. As
for the payments, Marino 74648. I don't
even know what Marino is.
Is that supposed to be Mateo?
I don't even know. I feel bad now. I
feel like I'm dumb. Auto chat. Auto chat
really sucks. Hold up. Oh, Moroni. Ah,
from the Book of Mormon. Moroni. Oh,
yeah. That makes a lot more sense.
Sorry, I forgot you are a member of the
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints. So, I assume a lot of people are
quoting the Bible when I see this. Thank
you. Please send me that video and I'll
I'll even show it on a stream in the in
in the future. I really do appreciate
that. Let's see if there are any more
super chats. I think that was all of
them. We have one more from Aubrey
Olsson. Thank you. We all did see the
note and had time to read. Will this
become a problem? Waiting all day to ask
you this. Yeah, you saw the burn note as
well though. Did you see them next to
each other? Because that was the main
concern was that they were next to each
other. I'm gonna wait in the chat to see
on that one.
Did you guys, not in the courthouse
obviously, see a burned note next to the
picture of the note because that was not
supposed to be seen for anyone outside.
Okay, just for a brief second, Rachel.
Yeah, you know, I don't think it's a
problem.
Mistakes happen. I don't think the
prosecution was doing it on purpose. Um,
so I'm not worried about it. It flashed.
People can screenshot it. Sure,
whatever. It happens. I don't know. That
was up to the judge's discretion. And
it's not like it was like a hard and
fast rule anyway, but if it was up the
entire time, that is a bad that's a bad
thing. But my understanding is that
didn't happen. All right, going back to
the lab reports.
Oh, never mind. We're going to go back
to the prints on the window. You'll
remember I said there were fingerprints
and palm prints on the window right
where Tyler Robinson dropped down from
the roof and they did not match Tyler
Robinson. They showed the video of Tyler
Robinson once again and showed that he
did not touch the window at any point.
Now, just to be clear, at no point did
the defense bring this up. And I don't
think they did. I I mean, maybe you
could correct me in the chat. I don't
think the defense at any point said,
"Look, there were these handprints. That
couldn't have been Tyler Robinson. It
was someone else." So, you have to ask
yourself for a second, why did the
prosecution bring this up?
They've clearly proven beyond probable
cause that Tyler Robinson did this. So,
this is going to trial or there's going
to be a plea agreement. So, why bring
this up? The reason why is because the
prosecution are simultaneously
addressing the judge who's determining
if this goes to trial and they are also
addressing the public. And they are
doing this so expertly. They are
addressing the public without coming off
to sanctimonious or as if they are
performing. They're doing their job
well. They are addressing the conspiracy
theories and getting ahead of them
before they can even start. It's so
awesome. It's just so awesome. As
someone who has been doing this for a
long time and has been combating these
conspiracy theories, to see such
competent people get up and just do it
with such finesse is just chef's kiss.
By the way, here's my wristband for the
day. Proof is that I got in. I'll take
it off right now on the stream because I
hate having things on the wrist. But
yeah, this is what got me in today.
First one in line, by the way. First
person in. We have a super chat.
Patches. We are all supposed to bring
everyone to God's kingdom. We should
want Tyler Robinson life in prison so
hopefully he can repent and find Christ.
Thoughts?
Uh, yeah. Okay. I mean, look, yes, we're
all supposed to bring everyone to God's
kingdom. I agree.
I also believe that murder is the second
worst sin that you can commit. The only
other worst sin that you could commit is
denying the Holy Ghost and Christ's
atonement after knowing him.
So, that's not to say he can't be
redeemed. Um, but I do believe that
justice is a thing and I think that we
have the right and that it's a God-given
right as a society to execute people
when they try to murder people. But as
I've spoken before, if a plea deal was
put in where guaranteed no jury and he
goes to jail for life, no parole, I
would be okay with that. And if he
actually repented and stayed in jail for
the rest of his life, but he reformed
himself in jail, I would be very happy
for him and I would pray for him in
that. Of course, we should all give him
that. Thank you so much, Maria, for the
super chat. I do appreciate that. Looks
like you're in Canada, I believe. Thank
you for watching.
All right, back to the story. We have
more, guys. You're not going to believe
it. I know this has been going for an
hour and 15 minutes. I just have to get
through all of it because there was no
one else who's been in the courtroom to
talk about this. This is the only place
we can do it. So,
after the the fingerprints, that's where
we were. He did not touch the window.
This is when cross-examination on
Sergeant Fowl Fa Mauina, I believe it
was, began. the defense began to
cross-examine and essentially like all
of the people that they have
cross-examined, they tried to
delegitimize her. Um, and it did not
land.
It did not work at all. Um, I don't
really have anything to say other than
that. And after that point, after Tyler
Robinson had confessed three times,
after we had proof that he was the one
who engraved the bullets, after we had
proof that he stashed a weapon in the
woods, after we had all of this proof,
the state rested. And that was an answer
to one of your questions from earlier.
The state rested, meaning they're done
calling witnesses. They can still
cross-examine, but they are they're
done. They made their case uh for this
to go to trial. They did an amazing job.
And this is where we get to a few
wrinkles. The Kirk family lawyer got up
and asked once again to reconsider
displaying in the courtroom the enhanced
video from day two. Again, that enhanced
video is a closeup better look at Tyler
Robinson getting on the roof. And what
the defense said, and this got very
heated in the courtroom, and I don't
know if you guys could hear this, but
the entire crowd behind me, which was
the Kirk family, was an uproar over
this. The defense said that Erica has
been very good at talking to the press
already. And so, she had no right
essentially to see that tape because
what the Kirk family lawyer was arguing
was not for this to go out to the media,
but just the courtroom. And obviously
for me, I really wanted to see it
because I was in the courtroom.
We will get to what happened in a
second, but the judge said, "We need to
get through the defense witness right
now. We're not going to address that."
And he did address it at the end.
Thank you for all your kind words. I'm
seeing your your words come through.
Again, if you have any questions or
witty things to say, you can leave a
super chat. It does help me continue to
stay independent to do this work. Uh,
we've been streaming for about an hour
and 15 minutes and uh, I'm going to wrap
this up here pretty soon because I know
you guys need to go to bed. I've been up
for a really long time and I need to get
to bed so I can uh, once again
report on tomorrow which will be the
last day of this preliminary hearing as
we'll talk about. Benny, thank you so
much for the super chat. I really do
appreciate it. The defense called this
witness ATF agent Sarah Carner, I
believe was her name. Maybe someone
needs to uh fact check me on that last
name. I know her first name was Sarah.
And essentially this ensued hours and
hours of them trying to delegitimize
her, trying to make it seem like her
forensic experience did not exist. And
let me explain. They showed a picture of
the bullet jacket fragmented. They are
talking about the bullet that hit
Charlie Kirk essentially and they said
the bullet was um basically they're
trying to say that this was not actually
uh excuse me, let me back up. They're
trying to essentially say that there was
another shooter and that what happened
in this forensic investigation with this
bullet jacket was fraudulent.
What she testified to was that the
bullet was basically a caliber 30 that
it was most likely a 306.
They deduced many guns could have fired
it. They came up with about a list of 8
to 10 guns. it was not conclusive enough
and the lawyer brought out tons of info
and basically tried to get her to be
delegitimized by not knowing what these
things were. And there were a lot of um
objections from the prosecution because
they were bringing in kind of random
things that nobody really could know if
it was accurate with her training.
And they tried to claim that her testing
was too subjective, that she had not
done a good job actually proving again
that this bullet was inconclusive.
Because again, what Candace Owens
followers will have you believe as that
the bullet that was tested was a
negative
with the mouser that Tyler Robinson shot
that it was a negative when in fact it
was inconclusive. We just do not know.
And what the defense was trying to do
was say that she was being too
subjective, that she had been maybe uh
propagandized to or led to believe that
Tyler Robinson had done this. And so
instead of just saying negative, she
made it inconclusive. That's what they
were trying to imply. The defense
reaffirms
again the bullet was inconclusive. the
defense wanted the investigator to say
it was not a um a match and she would
not admit to that over and over again.
She said it was inconclusive. We do not
know. She was a very good witness
ironically for the prosecution. Really,
the defense had one of the worst
flailings and this was hours and hours
long of them trying to do this and being
unsuccessful. It felt like a huge waste
of time. I I'm saying that in my notes.
It says huge waste of time. Grasping at
straws, more agreement than disagreement
with the bullet fragments. What does
that mean? It means when they do
ballistic tests, they're finding more
agreements actually with the mouser with
the idea that it was a 30 six than
disagreements. So, if anything, it's
more positive of a match than negative.
But again, it was inconclusive.
And what this defense attorney, and I
forgot his name, you guys, you got to
tell me because I actually don't like
this guy very much. Out of all the
defense attorneys, he's he was actually
quite rude. He said rude things about
Erica. He said rude things. Uh he had a
pretty rude question, as we'll talk
about, and the judge got quite intense
with him. His last name starts with a B.
I don't remember his version or what
what it was, but he essentially began
testifying rather than asking her a
question and the judge roasted him and
it got very fiery. I would suggest this
was something I would love I I wish I
had a clip of it. Again, I was in the
courthouse so I couldn't clip these
things, but if I was able to actually
watch it live with you guys um just on
on my phone, I would have clipped this
and showed it right now. I'll I'll put a
compilation together because this was a
top moment. The judge got very fiery
because this guy tried to trap her with
tests that were from different guns.
Essentially, he's putting different
images on the screen saying, "Oh, do you
think this is inconclusive? Do you think
this is inconclusive?" And uh she did a
really good job of just saying, "I don't
know. This isn't enough information."
Like, he's trying to get these
assessments out of her to show that she
doesn't know what she's doing. And she
was very smart. She did not take the the
bait. She just said, "I don't know. I
don't know. And uh she was really
fantastic in just staying even. Again,
I'm watching her face live. She's uh I
wouldn't say she's snappy, but she's
certainly a slightly antag antagonistic
towards them, but in kind of a charming
way and not in a rude way. And he on the
other hand came across very rude. Now,
we had a cross-examination from the
prosecution. Now, they basically proved
the defense didn't do what real life
tests do. The defense tried to simulate
a real life test. It is not the same
thing. She is an expert in her lab, not
in a court trial. She doesn't have the
equipment. And they did a very good job
of that. And uh that was pretty much the
extent to in those three hours of the
notes I took because it was basically
the defense making a total fool out of
themselves after the prosecution proved
in my opinion really by beyond a shadow
of a doubt that Tyler Robinson did this.
Here are a few more notes that I took
before we end the stream. Again, last
questions, put them in right now, guys,
and I will try to answer them.
Out in the hallway, I was out there
during recess. I saw prosecutor
Grunander. He's one of the main guys.
He's bald if you've seen him. He looked
at someone and said, "Today went very
well." I just caught that. I thought I'd
write it down. So, obviously the
prosecutors very happy. He went this
went super well. And by the way,
Grunander hardly talked. So this isn't
him just saying like I'm a beast. He's
talking about um I think her name is
Hunt. Her last name is Hunt and McBride.
Uh he's speaking highly of them. And I
agree. They did such a good job. The
defense attorney came back very intense,
very angry on um I don't know exactly
what the court term is. I apologize, but
essentially the defense was asking
questions, then the prosecution
cross-examined, and then the defense has
the opportunity to basically
cross-examine once again. Very angry,
very intense. Um, there was an objection
to him being hostile at one point and
argumentative, and that was sustained by
the judge, and so he had to rechange his
question. In the end, it did not work.
And basically there was a mic drop
moment from the prosecution getting up
once again and just showing that this
girl was very credible in forensics when
it comes to ballistics. It was pretty
dope. Again, you you guys should go
watch it. The stream is out. It's
completely free. You can watch it on my
YouTube channel. It's just in the live
section. It just says day four of the
live court proceeding and you can just
kind of skip through. Uh maybe I'll make
some compilations of it as well at the
end. This is what uh is happening. Let
me describe for you what's happening at
this point. Okay, this is going to be
done by noon tomorrow. There's only one
more witness to be called. They are
essentially going into a briefing stage.
I'm not a legal expert, but essentially
they're going to have to send some
documents to and from each other. Then
they will be doing oral arguments on,
wait for it,
September 1st.
September 1st, they'll be doing oral
arguments for about four hours. Um, and
tomorrow on Friday, they will be playing
the enhanced version of that video that
I talked about. So, I missed it. Wasn't
able to see it. It will only be played
in the courthouse, which is unfortunate.
We will endeavor to get our own enhanced
version and show it on the show because
I think it's a really important piece of
evidence. Maybe we'll even do our best
to enhance what they already showed us.
But again, we're going to have to wait
till September 1st for oral arguments.
Once again, we'll cover that and the
judge will make his ruling right after.
But uh we are not going to know about
this for two more months. But I say that
we know guys, we know the prosecutors
crushed this. Zero chance this does not
go to trial. It will go to trial unless
the defense enters into a plea agreement
with the prosecution. And I am willing
to bet the prosecution will not accept
anything other than life in prison, no
parole, and maybe they won't even accept
that from what they have. I just cannot
say this emphatically enough.
Do not believe what Candace Owens is
putting out. Do not believe what the
conspiracy nuts is putting out. I
watched every single minute of the court
preliminary hearing this week and I will
watch the rest tomorrow and I will give
a summary again and we'll have some of
you call in tomorrow. Every minute. You
guys, I know beyond a shadow of a doubt
that Tyler Robinson did this and all of
you do too who watched. The prosecution
did an amazing job. They actually showed
evidence with people who are under oath
with videos, with screenshots, with
forensics.
We actually had officers of the court
and officers of the law talking, not a
podcaster who has absolutely no loyalty
to the US like Candace Owens who was
just in Russia. Who am I? If we're just
talking and it's not about this, by the
way, we've got much more on the table.
And I'm just gonna here's here's my rant
for the day before I answer your
questions and before we go for the night
because it's getting late.
Take out the testimony from Lance Twigs.
Take out all of the video evidence that
we saw. Take out the forensic evidence
that we saw. Let's just go down to
testimony for a second. Who do we trust
more? Candace Owens who went to Russia
and spoke at their economic forum and is
on Russian sponsored TV every day or the
people the men and women in blue here in
Utah who are normal everyday Americans
who do their jobs well and were under
oath. Who do we trust more?
And here was what I would posit to you
all. If there are people out there who
believe the word of Candace Owens more
than law enforcement officers, again,
not feds,
I think the word Fed is way overused,
but the people who are used in this
trial were Utah people. They were not uh
FBI agents. They were either officers at
UVU or part of the State Bureau
investigation here in Utah.
If you don't believe them and you think
they're less trustworthy than Candace
Owens, um, I do not respect you. I don't
think you love America and I don't think
anyone should listen to your opinion or
think that you're pro America. That's
the end of my rant. Now I'll take your
questions. Jason said, "Do you think
Erica is waiting for the criminal trial
to resolve guilty and then after that
she'll civily sue the dog crap out of
Candace thinking Sandy Hook verse Alex
Jones?" Um, yeah. That is 100% what
she's doing. Quote me on that.
Yeah, clip me on that. Come back to me
in a year and a half when this is all
over. And uh there will be just
mountains of lawsuits on top of people
like Candace Owens and Baron Coleman and
all the likes.
Yeah, they're they're waiting until
after the guilty verdict comes down
against Tyler Robinson. 100%. And even
then, there's still two lawsuits out
against Candace Owens as we speak.
Thank you. I appreciate that, Rachel.
Michael N. Bert, this isn't to like say
go harass him online. I'm just saying
that just for the record, he was the
defense attorney. That was very rude
today. It's one thing to just be kind of
annoying and do your job really well as
a defense attorney and be extra
rigorous. Uh he was actually kind of
just disrespectful. I thought that was
my opinion.
Again, I'm taking your questions here
before we're done. Just came. Did
Elizabeth get kicked out? Yes, she did.
I talked to the head of security. They
were aware of her. They did not want her
there. The Kirk family did not want her
there. Anyone who was there to be a
political activist or be disrespectful
in any way. Was kicked out. They had
zero tolerance for people like that. She
was not admitted in.
Are you going in court tomorrow as well?
No, I'm not because I had to get there
in order to get in. I would have had to
be there at 1:00 am this morning. I
ended up, you know, my my mom, as I said
earlier, ended up being there at 9:00
p.m. for me. I got there at 2 a.m. Um, I
would have to be there at least at 1 to
be there. I just can't do that again,
guys. I'm sorry. It was a great
experience, and I'm glad I was able to
give you these firsthand experiences. If
you have more questions, by the way,
about my firsthand experience, maybe I
omitted some things. Please ask away.
And that goes for tomorrow's stream as
well. But uh I can't go again. It's just
tough. I didn't get any sleep last
night. You know, I'm not used to this.
My daughter's 14 months old now. Uh or
almost yeah for no almost 15 months now.
Um I'm removed from that time of not
getting any sleep. Like I'm I'm actually
getting sleep again and I like it. You
know what I'm saying?
Sorry, so many comments. So many good
comments, too. I appreciate you guys.
What questions do you have?
Oh, perfect. I'm glad JD is here. JD
says, "Common sense, but you're too
young. You're just doing your job. We
understand you're hired. You're fake.
You're like a virus that doesn't know
it's not a virus." Well, here's what I
think, JD. think you are insecure in
your opinion. I think that you haven't
done the research properly. I think that
you like to bully people because you're
insecure about yourself. I think you
like to join live streams because you're
incapable of having in-person
conversations. And I think you don't ask
questions because you think you're
smarter than everyone around you. So
maybe apply a little bit of that effort
into watching the preliminary hearing
tomorrow. Maybe you'll learn a thing or
two and maybe you'll learn to put away
your pride and actually learn truth.
That's what I have to say to you, JD.
And I'll be looking for your response in
the comments.
Song of the Fear says, "If Robinson is
claiming he had gone to work, and that's
what Twig said, the prosecution checked
that he wasn't at work, right? In
question, where was he?" Okay, good
question. Um, the first thing that we
know about Tyler Robinson is that he was
at UVU campus. Oh, I'm gonna mess this
up. I feel like it was 10:00 a.m. was
the first time they got him on camera.
Maybe it was 9:00 a.m. It was one of the
two, but keep in mind, uh, St. George is
about 3 and a half hours away. So, if it
was 5:00 a.m. like Lance Twigs was
thinking, that would have him showing up
in Orum around 8:30. Uh, he was seen at
Chick-fil-A. I don't think that was for
breakfast, but I'm just saying he likes
to eat out. He was at Dairy Queen as
well, right? And so he probably ate out
for breakfast. That would be about the
right timing to get to UVU. I don't
know. Everywhere he was, you know,
hopefully not in my neighborhood, but uh
they I'm sure the prosecution checked
that he wasn't at work, but that will
certainly come out in the trial. These
are the like interesting details that
everyone should ask questions about and
I'm sure a lot of conspiracy theorists
will ask as well. And the proper answer
always is I don't know. But it's a
perfectly reasonable question to ask and
it will come out in trial. That's what a
trial is for.
Sorry, just sifting through these. We've
got some super chats I want to address.
Jenn Allonzo said, "Interesting how
social media's exploded this whole case.
How much do you think this has actually
affected conservative politics across
the country?
That's a good question. I have to like
really think about that and maybe I need
to make a broader video about the
political implica implications of this
because you're right, social media has
exploded this whole case. Uh this is the
number one case of the century probably.
I I think it will become the greatest
case of the century and it's because of
social media.
How is it going to affect politics
across the country? I do think people in
politics, like the actual decision
makers, are taking political violence
more seriously.
And I do think that the absolute just
repudiation of the conspiracy theories
that's coming out in court right now is
showing people in politics, again, I'm
not talking about your crazies, but I'm
talking about like senators and
congressmen
that uh the conspiracy grift will
eventually fall apart. I think Thomas
Massie is a great example of that.
Thomas Massie no longer in office in
this next congressional cycle and it's
because he had some great ideas. He had
some great ideas, you guys. I am totally
on Thomas Massiey's side when it comes
to the national debt, but he gave way to
the conspiracy theories and it did not
serve him well. That's how I think it's
going to affect conservative politics
the most in our country.
Thank you, Wanda, for your super
sticker. We have Liz
Bickerstaff. That's a cool last name. I
trust Candace about as far as I can
throw Putin. Do you agree? Yeah. Yep.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Sorry. I just I want to interact with
you guys because I do appreciate you.
Good looking tie. Thank you. Maroon, in
case you're wondering. Uh yeah, it is
Maroon.
Yeah, JD is being h held captive in a
communist China fortune cookie factory.
I like that. Yeah. No, no. Uh, he's not.
He's a conspiracy theorist nut who
unfortunately has all these problems in
his life. Like, he's most likely very
lonely. He likely doesn't have a lot of
human connection. And so, he has
basically replaced God with conspiracy
theories. And I feel sad for him. And I
pity him. And we should pray for people
like that. I really mean that.
I didn't expect Lance's voice to be so
deep. Very true. That actually took me
off guard, too, cuz you see him in the
video, you're like, "Oh, yeah. I could
see, you know, he's kind of transgender
in that way." But, uh, he had a pretty
deep voice. So, I don't know.
Jason said, "No question this time. Just
wanted to defy your earlier directive."
Thank you. Well, I I I do appreciate you
guys. like I I do appreciate your
donations and like I said I try to
reinvest them always and I try to use
them righteously. I don't see any of the
money that I have, not that I have a lot
of money, but the money I do have, I
don't see it as mine. I see it as me
being a steward for God uh for that for
God's money and I try to do it that way.
JD uh responded with uh you need to go
fire a gun, kid. All right.
All right, buddy. Sounds good. I'll go
fire a gun. I live in Utah, dude. I've
shot plenty of guns. Thank you.
Rachel said, Joshua, how did the judge
handle the defense going after Erica?
The judge is trying very carefully to
weigh all of the
conflicting constitutional rights and
narratives. And so, you know, I don't
think he wanted to come down too harshly
on the defense. I don't think the
defense
was necessarily trying to be super
scathing to Erica, but it just came off
that way. So, I think the judge did a
good job of just kind of shutting it
down. Like, he came a lot more assertive
today, as all of you saw who watched
than any of the other days. Dirk says,
"I wish we could get some hard data on
the IQ of Candace Owens fans. I'm
guessing somewhere between mayonnaise
and a box of rocks. It could be an IQ
problem." Yeah. Um, I do think that
I don't know. I don't know if IQ has as
much to do with it as people think. I've
spoken to some other people who know
Candace Owens very well and they think
it's a an IQ problem for her fans. I
don't know. I I don't think I have a
particularly high IQ. I've never done a
test, but I'd be willing to bet I'm
below 100 IQ. I really believe that.
Mama Alar says, "Elizabeth Lane is
posting very bad things about you on X.
I have screenshots. Can't DM you. I did
message your live stream. Very awesome
what you did today. God bless. Actually,
guys, if you uh this would actually be a
huge service to me. I don't like to
brood in these things too long. But if
you would um
if you would send me
an email at car media companygmail.com
with these screenshots from Elizabeth
Lane, I would appreciate it because she
has blocked me on X. I cannot see what
she's saying. Um, again, I don't want to
brood in these things, but if she's
lying, I would like to correct what she
is saying, and I may even threaten her
with a cease and desist if the lies are
egregious enough.
Like, I had no idea Elizabeth Lane was
talking about me. I didn't because she's
blocked me, so I can't see. So, if you
would actually DM or you can DM me on
Instagram or or X,
my DMs are open kind of. you can uh send
me a request
on X and I'll see it. So, please send me
those screenshots. I actually would
would like to know what she's saying so
I can send over that cease and desist if
she's lying about me.
So, thank you, Mama Alar. Please uh
please DM me on X if you can. You should
just be able to to message me. Maybe
comment and I'll try to find that, but
you should just be able to message in
the chat and uh shouldn't be a problem.
And I know there's 1100 of you right now
watching from X. So go to I mean pull it
up. Pull up Elizabeth Lane right now. I
mean I I just can't see anything
cuz she blocked me unfortunately. Oh
wait, did she unblock me? She might have
unblocked me.
Oh well, I'll have to see. Yeah, she may
have unblocked me just now cuz she wants
me to see her stuff. All right,
whatever. I'll look. I'm not gonna
indulge in the drama, but I'll correct
the narrative if uh she's defaming me.
All right, we're gonna answer these last
super chats and I'm gonna let you go
because it's way too late. You guys need
to go to bed. This is ridiculous. Greg
says, "Thank you for your good work,
Joshua. Don't let people like that
detractor. JD Faze you get some sleep
tonight. You've given us good on the
ground reporting. Hope you sleep well."
We will continue it tomorrow. Again, we
will be doing one at 7:00 p.m. We don't
have to push it because I'm not going to
be in the courthouse. We'll do it at
7:00 p.m. Eastern time. If it ends
early, you know what? Heck, I might move
it up to to 6:00 p. p.m. I'll put out an
announcement on that. Blah blah. Do you
think Tyler enjoys the attention? Do you
think JD is suffering from envy? Yeah,
probably. I mean, I think loneliness and
pride is the main thing that JD is
suffering from. Do I think Tyler enjoys
the attention? I don't think so. And the
reason why is because he wouldn't like
he he's uh stone cold. He doesn't want
people to see him. Like he he he looks
like he is turned inwards in my opinion.
Thank you, Mama Albear. Yeah, please
send that. I'll I'll look tonight.
All right, guys. I appreciate you so
much for being here in the chat. It is
very late. I need sleep. I also need to
spend some time with my wife because
she's been so good in supporting me
through this. So, I'm going to let you
go. I'm sure there are things I forgot
about tonight. I'll address them in the
stream tomorrow. I will recap tomorrow.
I'll also have some of you call in
tomorrow so you can ask questions or uh
debate me on anything.
And yeah, maybe we'll talk about
Elizabeth Lane tomorrow as well, and
we'll put some of the screenshots in the
chat. That seems like it could be uh a
little bit a little bit interesting. All
right, love you guys so much. Thank you
so much. Good night. God bless you all.
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