Ben Shapiro Exposes Candace Owens' Conspiracy Playbook Using Her Own Methods Against Her

[00:00] Folks, today is a highly important show.

[00:03] Today we are going to uncover the real

[00:05] murderer of Charlie Kirk. It's time.

[00:08] We've been working for months on a deep

[00:10] and detailed investigation. It's not who

[00:13] you think. Today we are going to discuss

[00:15] who was really behind Charlie Kirk's

[00:17] assassination. Candace Owens. This is

[00:20] the Ben Shapiro show.

[00:24] [music]

[00:29] So, we didn't want to talk about this.

[00:31] We didn't. But we've been digging. We

[00:33] have been investigating. We've been

[00:34] tugging on every thread. Been tracing

[00:37] every single line of investigation to

[00:39] get to the bottom of what really

[00:41] happened. What really, really, really

[00:43] happened? What super really happened

[00:44] with Charlie Kirk's assassination on

[00:46] September 10th, 2025. The story actually

[00:49] begins before that. In the spring of

[00:51] 2025, when Candace Owens, the podcaster,

[00:54] her brand, was having some trouble. She

[00:56] was sued by the first lady of France.

[00:57] She was hemorrhaging mainstream

[00:59] sponsors. She was losing her stamp. She

[01:00] was feuding with pretty much everybody.

[01:02] And then something something changed.

[01:05] Charlie Kirk was murdered. You remember

[01:07] September 10th, 2025? Her Charlie Kirk

[01:10] coverage rebuilt her audience and drove

[01:12] record merch sales. That's what she

[01:14] said, not me. That's what she said. and

[01:16] turned her into the main character in

[01:18] the biggest story in America. I mean,

[01:20] here she was in May of this year.

[01:24] >> We are on track for this to be the

[01:26] biggest day in our merch sale history on

[01:28] the website. I love you guys for

[01:30] actually buying merch just to spite the

[01:32] people that were calling for a merch

[01:34] boycott.

[01:37] >> And and you got to follow how the money

[01:38] is structured. You got to follow it. You

[01:40] got to follow all just follow it. Okay.

[01:41] The revenue from this coverage doesn't

[01:43] flow to a human. It flows through a

[01:45] lattice of corporate entities like

[01:46] Candace Owens LLC and George Tom

[01:49] Incorporated. The kind of architecture

[01:51] you build when you want distance between

[01:53] yourself and the product. And the

[01:54] product by Candace Owens's own on air

[01:57] admission had its single biggest sales

[01:59] day in company history because of the

[02:01] Charlie Kirk assassination. Charlie Kirk

[02:03] dies and Candace gets richer. A lot

[02:05] richer. But at whose direction? That is

[02:09] the big question. I mean, Candace has a

[02:11] lot of foreign connections. Like a lot.

[02:12] See, here's the thing. Charlie Kirk at

[02:15] the end of his life was going after

[02:17] radical Islam. That was his biggest

[02:19] cause just before he was murdered. You

[02:22] remember Charlie saying this,

[02:24] Islam is not compatible with Western

[02:27] civilization. Islam is at odds with all

[02:30] the freedoms that we enjoy. They do not

[02:33] believe in any separation between mosque

[02:35] and state. They do not believe in

[02:36] freedom of speech or freedom of

[02:38] expression. They do not believe in the

[02:39] freedom to criticize the government. the

[02:41] practices that we enjoy so great here in

[02:43] the United States of America. And here's

[02:45] the one thing that's the kicker. You

[02:48] have this axis again, the red green

[02:49] axis, this Marxism, Muhammad,

[02:52] axis. What do they have in

[02:54] common? Even though a lot of the

[02:56] Marxists are lesbians or gays or

[02:59] transgenders, they get along with the

[03:01] Muslims. They get along because they

[03:04] hate us.

[03:07] >> This is Charlie Kirk's cause, right? But

[03:09] Candace had lots of new relationships,

[03:11] lots of new relationships with people in

[03:13] the Islamic world. Maybe directing

[03:14] traffic or we don't know. We're just

[03:16] asking questions. We're just asking

[03:18] questions. But we're not stupid. We're

[03:21] not stupid. Something changed. She

[03:23] suddenly started talking about the magic

[03:26] of Islam. Here she was in March.

[03:29] These terror groups, these Muslim

[03:31] terrorists, for whatever reason, these

[03:32] Muslim terrorists only want to terrorize

[03:34] to benefit Israel. It's so strange. I

[03:36] cannot work it out. If you're a Muslim

[03:39] terrorist, we want to hear from you. Why

[03:40] are you doing that? Right? Why are you

[03:43] stealing and robbing and doing things

[03:44] down in Congo to the benefit of Israel?

[03:48] We want to hear from you. That's very

[03:49] strange. More tips. Cancers gone. Hey,

[03:50] I'm a Muslim terrorist and I work for

[03:52] Israel. Why do you do that to

[03:56] weird, isn't it? Right. I mean, like,

[03:57] right? I mean, like, right? I mean,

[03:59] Charlie starts warning about radical

[04:01] Islam and suddenly Candace discovers

[04:03] that maybe we've just been

[04:04] misunderstanding Islam this whole time.

[04:07] She literally apologized to Muslims on

[04:09] behalf of America because she says

[04:10] Americans were brainwashed after 9/11 by

[04:13] propaganda and she didn't even know what

[04:16] a Muslim was. That's what she said.

[04:17] That's what she said. We're not stupid.

[04:20] We're not. She invited Muslim terrorists

[04:22] to reach out to her because you see the

[04:24] jihadis are the victims. And if a Muslim

[04:26] terrorist says he's doing it for Allah,

[04:28] well, that's because somebody else wrote

[04:29] the script. No, probably the Zionists.

[04:31] The Zionists. Kamas says Kamas did it.

[04:34] Doesn't count. And ISIS claims

[04:35] responsibility. suspicious and Iran

[04:37] Chan's death to America. That's what

[04:38] they want you to think. That's what

[04:39] Candace says. And it's not just about

[04:41] Islam and her newfound magical

[04:43] relationship with Islam. See, Candace

[04:45] developed a really close relationship

[04:46] with Russia. Like super duper close.

[04:48] Like go to St. Petersburg and hang out

[04:50] with members of the Putin apparatus.

[04:52] Close. Here she was having a good old

[04:53] time in Russia. She also, by the way,

[04:55] speaking of foreign relationships,

[04:57] developed some weird relationships with

[04:59] alleged sex traffickers in Romania. I

[05:02] mean, right there you can see it with

[05:06] the alleged sex trafficker in Romania.

[05:08] You know who hated sex trafficking?

[05:10] Charlie Kirk. Hated sex trafficking.

[05:13] Coincidence? Is this a Is any of this a

[05:15] coincidence? Not stupid. So, this is

[05:18] weird. Really weird. She's in Romania

[05:20] hanging with sex traffickers. Charlie's

[05:22] condemning sex traffickers and then

[05:24] Charlie dies. The single most important

[05:27] person fighting radical Islam just gets

[05:29] killed. Convenient. like very very

[05:31] convenient. A person who knew Candace

[05:34] really well, who texted with her

[05:35] regularly, who would have known what she

[05:37] was up to, maybe sus maybe suspected

[05:40] what was happening, and then he just so

[05:41] happens to be murdered and she starts

[05:43] making money. It's just that's all I'm

[05:45] saying. Some interesting motivation, you

[05:47] know, that's all we're saying.

[05:48] Interesting. Interesting. But what about

[05:50] like means? I mean, murder requires

[05:52] motive and means and opportunity, right?

[05:54] So what about means? Here's the thing.

[05:56] Candace knew everything. She was

[05:58] Charlie's best friend. Like his best

[06:00] friend. They were so close. Like closer

[06:02] than any humans who have ever lived. She

[06:04] was she was his best friend. Here she

[06:06] was the day after Charlie was killed.

[06:10] But I don't want today to be about

[06:11] anything other than you guys knowing

[06:13] that Charlie really was an amazing

[06:14] person. You know, he was like

[06:18] we were really close and he was he was

[06:21] my best friend and my brother.

[06:24] >> I mean, how close was their

[06:26] relationship? I mean, it may have been

[06:27] for her even more than like a brotherly

[06:29] relationship. I mean, let's be real. You

[06:31] don't talk about suspicious. She got

[06:33] married in what is easily the weirdest

[06:34] love story of like all time. I mean, she

[06:37] met her husband, George, and she barely

[06:39] knew him and then they just got married.

[06:41] That's an op. Okay, we're we're not

[06:43] stupid. We're not stupid. Okay, we're

[06:45] not stupid. That's an op. That's an op.

[06:48] Candace supposedly attends a crowded

[06:50] dinner party consisting of like 30

[06:52] people. You want to guess who else was

[06:54] seated at that exact same table?

[06:56] Charlie Kirk. Is that a coincidence? He

[06:59] was there when she met her husband. It

[07:01] was at that exact event that she met

[07:03] George Farmer, who was the wealthy son

[07:05] of prominent British Tory Pier, Lord

[07:07] Michael Farmer.

[07:09] Here was Candace describing this with

[07:12] her husband, George.

[07:14] >> I sat next to you and you basically said

[07:17] nothing to me.

[07:18] >> Correct. Yeah. I did what I've done for

[07:20] the past six years. [laughter]

[07:22] I just said nothing.

[07:23] >> And it worked.

[07:24] >> And it worked. Yeah. And then you

[07:26] married me, so I have no idea why.

[07:28] >> 18 days later,

[07:29] >> that's right.

[07:30] >> We get engaged

[07:31] >> and I called her and I just said,

[07:32] "Listen, I know this is completely crazy

[07:33] and we've just met, but uh how do you

[07:36] feel about getting married to me?"

[07:38] >> Just real quick, [laughter]

[07:39] I missed the bit where there was any

[07:41] sort of

[07:43] >> there was literally nothing nothing

[07:44] romantic had been said up to this point.

[07:46] >> Okay.

[07:46] >> I mean, literally nothing.

[07:47] >> Okay. So, I missed nothing.

[07:49] >> We hadn't gone on a date. We had not

[07:52] talked about marriage or the future or

[07:55] anything like that.

[07:56] >> All [clears throat] right.

[07:56] >> And I just I and she said yes.

[08:00] >> Weird because you know there it is. I

[08:02] mean does that sound like an does that

[08:03] sound natural to you? That sound like

[08:05] people who just met, started dating,

[08:07] fell in love. I mean you're telling me

[08:10] that the night they laid eyes on each

[08:11] other and the day he proposed between

[08:13] those two times zero romantic overtures,

[08:16] none. No dating, no courting. 17 days

[08:19] later, formally engaged. You're telling

[08:21] me that I'm supposed like I'm supposed

[08:23] to believe 17 days from total strangers

[08:26] to securing a multi-million dollar

[08:28] marriage alliance into the British House

[08:29] of Lords. Into the British House of

[08:31] Lords.

[08:33] I mean, come on. That doesn't just look

[08:35] suspicious. That looks like a strategic

[08:37] corporate acquisition. Like big big

[08:40] corporate acquisition.

[08:42] Like big capitalism at work. What about

[08:45] Charlie? Well, she was acting as his

[08:48] wingwoman, you know, like manipulating

[08:49] him and his life. I mean, she openly

[08:52] boasted on air about acting as Charlie's

[08:54] personal psychological gatekeeper and

[08:56] and his wing woman. Here she was.

[09:01] I'm going to miss Charlie going on dates

[09:03] and the girls that he liked and me

[09:05] always being the wing woman and him

[09:07] asking. I this text message is my one of

[09:10] my favorite text messages between me and

[09:11] Charlie when he was getting ready to go

[09:13] on a date and you know he didn't date

[09:15] many people and he was just kind of in

[09:20] love with this girl

[09:22] and he was asking me should I wear this

[09:24] and this is the text message it's so

[09:26] sweet he said do I have to change this

[09:29] shirt and I wrote back yes and throw it

[09:32] away if you can

[09:36] >> I mean think about what she's doing

[09:38] there, publicly transmitting to the

[09:40] grieving widow, Erica, that she was the

[09:42] one who controlled Charlie's appearance.

[09:43] She was the one dictating his choices

[09:45] long before Erica ever entered the

[09:47] frame. We're talking classic behavioral

[09:49] markers here, folks. Project a phantom

[09:51] home recorder narrative onto the outside

[09:52] world to mask your own historical

[09:55] boundary crossing infatuation with

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[11:03] There's something else. Candace, of

[11:05] course, says that Erica was somehow

[11:07] involved in the murder or the cover up

[11:08] of the murder, but Candace also claims

[11:10] she literally set up Erica with Charlie.

[11:12] Here she was saying that the day after

[11:14] Charlie was killed

[11:17] and of course Charlie fell in love with

[11:19] Erica.

[11:20] That entire journey to me when I was

[11:22] reading through the text is so funny

[11:24] because uh it was exceptional. I was

[11:26] always leaning into Charlie's analytical

[11:28] mind and making fun of him like, "Oh,

[11:30] all we need to do is get a plan. You

[11:31] love Erica. Okay, what's the plan? What

[11:33] are we going to do? What's step one?

[11:34] with step two. And the plan that I came

[11:35] up with instantly was all we have to do

[11:37] is convince her that her last name is

[11:38] terrible. Her last name, she's just got

[11:40] she's got to marry you because it's

[11:41] practical. Kirk is going to Mrs. Erica

[11:44] Kirk sounds so much better than Mrs.

[11:46] Eric. Miss Erica Francancy. What is that

[11:49] last name? I mean, this is suspicious,

[11:52] right? I mean, so suspicious. I mean,

[11:53] look at those mannerisms, by the way.

[11:54] Like, so suspicious. So suspicious.

[11:56] What? Are we dumb? Are we stupid? Use

[11:59] some common sense. Candace says that

[12:01] Erica is now some sort of agent of evil.

[12:03] But Candace helped Erica marry him. So

[12:05] if she was so evil, why would you do

[12:07] something like that? It doesn't sound

[12:08] suspicious like at all, like setting

[12:10] somebody up or anything like that. See,

[12:11] here's the thing. Candace knew Charlie's

[12:13] world from the inside. She knew the

[12:14] personnel, the protocols, the security

[12:16] company. She has said on the record that

[12:18] her security team worked with the very

[12:20] men she now accuses. And she can't think

[12:22] of anyone in private security she

[12:24] doesn't get along with. You ought to

[12:25] think about that. Just think about it.

[12:26] Just use your brain. She knew exactly

[12:28] which seams of the story to pull out cuz

[12:29] she knew all the people involved. I

[12:32] mean, here she was admitting it. Just

[12:33] admitting it right out like it's no big

[12:35] deal.

[12:37] I confirmed this with security inside of

[12:41] Turning Point. There somehow happened to

[12:43] be a leak and so they can't dispute

[12:46] this.

[12:49] I mean, she's involved with all of this

[12:51] information and with all the people

[12:52] involved and she knows all of them. And

[12:54] where was Candace when all this was

[12:56] going down? We have no idea. None. Where

[12:58] was Candace in the days before September

[12:59] 10th? She admits on air to memory gaps.

[13:03] She says she genuinely forgot an entire

[13:05] trip to Maine. Just blacked out. Do we

[13:07] believe that? That she just forgets

[13:09] things like that? I mean, here she was

[13:11] explaining just a couple of weeks ago

[13:14] that she just blacked out. She blacked

[13:15] out. What else has she blacked out? What

[13:17] else has she forgotten?

[13:20] >> I had a baby and I think I blacked out

[13:24] after assassination.

[13:26] and didn't remember that I went up to

[13:28] Maine, too. I went up to Maine with my

[13:30] husband in July. Okay. My son was born

[13:32] on May 1st. We were off air. And then

[13:35] the first thing I did was I went with my

[13:37] newborn Roman and my husband up to Maine

[13:41] to do Tucker's show and I did an

[13:45] interview and I genuinely forgot about

[13:48] this. Like I I genuinely forgot about

[13:50] this.

[13:53] >> So I mean just gaps in the memory. Hm.

[13:55] Weird. So, where was Candace in this

[13:57] time? I mean, Candace had two

[14:00] pre-recorded episodes about Breijit

[14:01] Mcronone's alleged testicles, September

[14:03] 8th and 9th, but nothing on her feed.

[14:05] September 10th, the day in question. So,

[14:08] we just have like a mysterious missing

[14:10] period. Where was she? Was she wearing

[14:13] maroon that day? We don't know. We don't

[14:14] have any pictures of her on those days.

[14:16] None. Now, as we know, because Canis

[14:18] investigated it, there were a lot of

[14:19] decoys, fed decoys or Israeli decoys or

[14:23] some decoys wearing maroon at Utah

[14:25] Valley University the day Charlie was

[14:27] shot. I mean, here was Candace

[14:28] explaining.

[14:31] >> When I looked at the footage of Charlie

[14:33] uh and

[14:36] what happened on September 10th, it

[14:38] struck me as highly unusual that there

[14:40] were so many men wearing maroon shirts.

[14:41] Like, it's not exactly a color that men

[14:43] wear all the time. And there were a lot

[14:45] of men, all of whom were alone, I might

[14:47] add, who were went to just hear Charlie

[14:50] Kirk speak alone and they were wearing

[14:52] ruin shirts. And I just said to myself,

[14:54] this feels like organization to me.

[14:59] I mean, but what was she wearing that

[15:01] day? Do we know? Do we know? Was she

[15:02] wearing maroon? Like like you know, a

[15:05] student from Texas A&M? Hell, would she

[15:07] even have been admitted to Texas A&M?

[15:09] And also maroon Candace, really really?

[15:12] You expect us just believe that you had

[15:14] nothing to do with Maroon? I mean, Kanye

[15:16] West collaborated Kanye West, who she's

[15:18] really close friends with, super close,

[15:20] collaborated with Maroon 5 on a single

[15:24] called Heard The Him Say in 2005.

[15:27] And we know we know that Candace Owens

[15:29] and Kanye West are super close. Like

[15:31] super duper close. I mean, like really

[15:34] close. I mean, look, there's Charlie in

[15:36] the background. This photo, I mean, it

[15:37] blows your mind. Like, look at this.

[15:39] Look at this. Kanye West with Adam

[15:41] Lavine from Maroon 5. Kanye West with

[15:44] Cand Candace Owens and Charlie Kirk just

[15:46] standing there like a third man,

[15:47] Forgotten Man in the background. There

[15:50] are no coincidences. How stupid do they

[15:52] think we are? You think we're stupid?

[15:54] So, you got to follow the dots. Kanye

[15:56] West has a song with Adam Lavine of

[15:57] Maroon 5. Adam Lavine, by the way, is a

[15:59] Frankest. I'll bet you didn't know that.

[16:00] Adam Lavine comes from a long line of

[16:02] franists and Kanye West just doing songs

[16:05] with him and Candace being all close

[16:07] with Kanye and then a bunch of fed

[16:09] decoys show up at UVU wearing maroon

[16:12] like a Frank Satanist would. It would

[16:14] take moves like Jagger to avoid the

[16:16] obvious here. It gets even worse. It

[16:18] gets even worse. For example, look at

[16:19] the wardrobe. Look at the visual staging

[16:21] here. During the height of the summer

[16:23] 2025 broadcast cycle, Candace

[16:26] systematically reconfigured her entire

[16:28] on air presence to feature deep maroon

[16:30] color blocks. That's the exact aesthetic

[16:33] marker she anchored to her theoretical

[16:35] lookalike phantoms. I mean, look at

[16:36] this. What color is she wearing there?

[16:38] That's right. That's maroon. That's

[16:40] maroon. I mean, look at

[16:43] coincidence.

[16:46] Maroon. Coincidence?

[16:48] How about maroon?

[16:51] Maroon. I mean, maybe a little edging on

[16:53] crimson there, but mostly maroon.

[16:55] Criminologists refer to this as

[16:56] rhetorical mesting. That's where the

[16:58] guilty party literally dresses

[17:00] themselves in the fabric of their own

[17:01] conspiracy to normalize that imagery in

[17:04] the minds of the masses. And guys, it

[17:06] gets even worse. I mean, this is nuts.

[17:07] How stupid do they think we are? Do they

[17:09] think we're stupid? They think we're

[17:10] stupid. How dumb do they think we are?

[17:12] See, here's the thing. We know that

[17:13] Candace is technically proficient with

[17:15] microphones. And we suspect that Charlie

[17:17] Kirk wasn't somehow killed by some sort

[17:19] of bullet that magically disappeared.

[17:22] You know, like the coroner's reporter,

[17:23] the autopsy says. So maybe it was the

[17:26] exploding microphone. But you know who

[17:28] might know how microphones could be

[17:30] rigged that way. Maybe, just maybe, a

[17:32] longtime podcast host who runs her own

[17:35] show. Has Candace ever answered a single

[17:38] question about this? Any? These are

[17:40] questions that require answers. and

[17:41] about her travel like let's look at

[17:43] September 8th 2 days before the

[17:44] assassination private aircraft depart

[17:47] Nashville that morning that's the city

[17:48] that she is from was she on any of those

[17:51] we don't have any idea we don't have any

[17:52] idea any one of those flights could have

[17:54] made a brief stop in Tucson that's 50

[17:56] miles from Fort Huachuka we would never

[17:58] know Tucson is a tactical staging ground

[18:02] it's the exact location where the

[18:03] corporate aircraft sit before they

[18:05] transition into that black box that is

[18:07] Fort Hua could that have been a discrete

[18:09] pickup window to bring some sort

[18:11] unidentified passenger along for some

[18:13] sort of meeting. There are 14 private

[18:15] unscheduled departures, leaving

[18:16] Candace's immediate residential

[18:18] perimeter. The mathematical probability

[18:20] matrix dictates a staggering 14.2%

[18:23] chance that her corporate architecture

[18:25] had a body on board. And then what about

[18:28] a cover? But this would require a cover

[18:29] up, like a big cover up, right? I mean,

[18:30] like that's what everyone says when you

[18:32] theorize this. Who would cover it up?

[18:34] Like who would help cover it up? Here's

[18:35] the thing. We know that Candace is

[18:37] skilled in the art of the cover up. For

[18:40] example, public accusations and document

[18:42] trails have emerged directly naming her

[18:44] husband George Farmer in a highstakes

[18:46] hit-and- run coverup in August of 2023

[18:49] involving a victim named Tracy Robinson.

[18:53] Wait, Robinson. Does that name sound

[18:56] familiar? George Farmer hit somebody in

[18:59] his car, maybe named Robinson. How many

[19:02] Robinsons even are there in the world?

[19:04] How many Robinsons like Tyler Robinson

[19:06] have Candace and her husband had contact

[19:08] with? Statistically, something like one

[19:11] in every 600 Americans is named

[19:13] Robinson. But you're telling me, you're

[19:15] telling me, you're trying to tell me

[19:17] that Candace and George are involved in

[19:20] two separate scandals with people named

[19:22] Robinson?

[19:23] That's like the odds of a lightning

[19:25] strike twice while you're standing on

[19:27] top of a volcano. Let's use some common

[19:30] sense here, people. You can't make this

[19:31] stuff up. You can't make it up.

[19:33] The documented profile in that case

[19:35] alleges that J George Farmer wrecked his

[19:37] truck while operating at a staggering

[19:39] three times the legal limit, meaning

[19:40] roughly 13 drinks over four hours to hit

[19:42] that number, all while unlawfully

[19:44] brandishing a firearm. But what happens

[19:45] at alleged DUI? You didn't hear about

[19:47] that, right? What what happened to it?

[19:48] Poof. It went missing.

[19:52] And then she just lied about it for

[19:53] years. And we also know because she

[19:56] constantly talks about it that she has

[19:57] tons of highlevel insider government

[20:00] connections. You want to talk about

[20:01] coverup? cover up. She's got the

[20:03] connections

[20:07] >> here. That is which came in November. My

[20:09] old tweet uh saying that I had a source

[20:12] inside of the French government because

[20:13] I did. A high government source actually

[20:16] reached out and made me aware and this

[20:19] is stunning actually that we missed this

[20:21] common sense. I I should have figured

[20:23] this out all by myself.

[20:26] So she had the sources, she had the

[20:28] cover up capac. So you're talking

[20:29] motive, money, fame, foreign

[20:32] connections, antipathy to things that

[20:34] Charlie was fighting for, and the means,

[20:36] closeness to Charlie's team and friends

[20:38] in the highest places, and the

[20:39] opportunity. I mean, where was she that

[20:41] week? Who was she talking to? And let's

[20:43] be real, I've never seen anything more

[20:45] suspicious than Candace's behavior after

[20:47] Charlie was killed. Manic and panicked

[20:49] and weird. Bizarre. Like bizarre.

[20:53] Criminologists will tell you. It's been

[20:54] proven. Everyone knows this. The guilty

[20:56] party inserts themselves into the

[20:58] investigation. And Candace appointed

[21:00] herself lead investigator on this

[21:02] murder, who attacks every single witness

[21:04] who could clarify the record, who when

[21:06] asked what evidence would change your

[21:08] mind, has never once answered the

[21:09] question. Now, she keeps telling her

[21:12] audience, citing clinical criteria that

[21:14] you can see deception on camera, you

[21:16] know, like harsh widening of the eyes or

[21:18] like a fixed blank stare, a personality

[21:20] that reconfigures for every room. Man,

[21:22] if you watch her show with the sound

[21:24] off, by the very diagnostic rubric she

[21:27] uses to indict Erica Kirk's grief, man,

[21:30] she fails. I mean, the lady laughs while

[21:33] describing a murder investigation. She

[21:34] sells mugs in the same breath as

[21:36] wounding details. What kind of human

[21:39] does that? What kind of human? I mean,

[21:41] look at this. Look at this face. Look at

[21:43] this face.

[21:45] >> You don't get to ask those questions.

[21:48] What's wrong with you, Mom? Why you so

[21:51] scared?

[21:53] I mean, look at those eyes. Look, the

[21:55] dead eyes, like a doll's eyes. Does this

[21:58] look like a grieving best friend? Does

[22:00] she look like a griefstricken young

[22:01] mother? I mean, look at the kind of

[22:04] earrings she wears. Does a grieving

[22:05] friend wear those kinds of earrings?

[22:08] Those big bangles. Would you wear those

[22:10] kind of earrings if you were grieving?

[22:11] Your best friend. In a second, we will

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[23:19] code Shapiro. So, here's the thing. This

[23:22] is all part of the plan. Candace's plan.

[23:24] Her investigation isn't just an

[23:26] investigation. It's something more. It's

[23:29] an obsession. Like, you know that movie

[23:31] Obsession that you can find on Amazon

[23:33] right now, like Obsession. She's become

[23:35] so hyperfixated on Charlie, she's now

[23:38] attempting to absorb his corporate

[23:39] network to completely replace him. She's

[23:42] spent the last 9 10 months teaching

[23:44] millions of people that nothing nothing

[23:45] is a coincidence. And you know what?

[23:47] She's right. Because this isn't a

[23:48] coincidence. None of it. None of it. I'm

[23:50] just asking questions. Okay? These are

[23:51] just questions. Now, I'm not saying I

[23:54] know everything. I'm not saying that.

[23:56] I'm just ask these are questions, okay?

[23:58] Why can't I ask questions? Why shouldn't

[24:00] I ask questions? Am I just supposed to

[24:01] believe what I see? Am I just supposed

[24:04] to look at the evidence? Am I I'm just

[24:06] asking. Okay? And questions is we should

[24:08] all be skeptical.

[24:10] What are you like? Somebody who just

[24:11] believes what you hear? I mean, like,

[24:14] why won't she release her own travel

[24:15] records? What is she hiding? Listen,

[24:17] guys, you can feel it. You don't need to

[24:19] know what happened to know what happened

[24:22] somehow.

[24:23] Why else is she so obsessed? Why? Why

[24:25] the granular like a hundred episodes on

[24:27] this? And there's something else, too.

[24:29] You know, like I don't like to get

[24:30] personal about this sort of stuff. I

[24:32] don't. But this disturbed me a lot. And

[24:34] so, I really feel that I have to talk

[24:36] about it. So last night,

[24:40] last night the angel Michael visited me

[24:43] in a dream. He was carrying a fiery

[24:45] sword and on one shoulder he was

[24:47] carrying a boom box and then the angel

[24:50] turned on the boom box and the sound of

[24:52] a Charlie Kirk speech came out and then

[24:55] this was the part that really got me.

[24:57] Beyonce showed up randomly. But was it

[24:59] even random? because then she started

[25:01] singing the 1998 Destiny's Child hit No,

[25:05] no.

[25:06] I woke up with a cold sweat, just

[25:09] terrified by the power of my vision. Cuz

[25:12] here's the thing. I don't know. No. But

[25:15] I know no, no. Just as Beyonce sang to

[25:19] me. No, no, no. That song was no

[25:23] coincidence. Just as Beyonce sang to me

[25:26] from the dream world. But it's not just

[25:29] Dream Girl Beyonce. It's sources. Really

[25:32] important sources. I have tons of

[25:34] sources. So many sources. Endless

[25:37] numbers of sources. Sources so important

[25:39] I can't name them because, you know, I'm

[25:41] afraid what might happen to them if I

[25:43] name those sources. I mean, look what

[25:44] happened to Charlie. Like, I don't know

[25:45] what would happen if I name those

[25:47] sources. And Candace is still out there.

[25:49] What would happen to the sources? I I

[25:50] don't know. Listen, I'm told by these

[25:54] really important sources that I can't

[25:55] name. You can't make me name them. This

[25:57] is a free country. You can't make me

[25:58] name those sources. I'm told by those

[26:00] sources that people in her own circle

[26:02] have lots of questions. Like lots of

[26:04] people in her circles, like so many

[26:07] people. Like maybe all of those people.

[26:09] Like all of them. So yeah, sure. I guess

[26:11] what I'm saying is maybe I can't prove

[26:13] that Candace Owens orchestrated

[26:15] Charlie's murder or was behind it or

[26:17] covered it up or anything, but if you

[26:19] think I'm stupid enough to believe the

[26:22] story that Candace Owens, a powerful

[26:24] person with deep insider government

[26:26] connections and ability to cover things

[26:28] up. I'm supposed to believe Candace

[26:30] Owens. What? You think I'm stupid? What

[26:32] are we dumb? We dumb. I mean, we're just

[26:35] noticing too many things, you guys.

[26:36] We're not allowed to notice the things

[26:40] we'll be remembering how she randomly

[26:41] went missing for a few days and how much

[26:43] money she's made and her sudden weird

[26:45] sympathy for Islam and Russia and sex

[26:47] trafficker allegedly and Romania and her

[26:51] deep state sources and her weird

[26:53] marriage story. How dumb do they think

[26:54] we are? I think we're they think we're

[26:56] dumb. They think we're dumb. Is that

[26:57] what they think that we're stupid? And

[26:59] speaking of stupidly cute, how cute are

[27:00] these bears?

[27:03] How cute are these bears? I mean, these

[27:05] are cute bears, right? They're adorable

[27:06] and they're available for $89.99. And if

[27:09] you want to support our search for

[27:10] truth, we need your help. Buy this bear

[27:12] for America.

[27:14] I'll tell you what though. I'll tell you

[27:15] what I'm not going to buy. I'm not going

[27:16] to buy the theory. A theory that has no

[27:18] evidence, by the way, that Candace Owens

[27:20] is pushing. The one that Candace Owens,

[27:22] with friends in high places and

[27:24] connections throughout the Middle East

[27:25] and Russia, and with embedded agents at

[27:27] TPUSA close to Charlie, wants you to

[27:29] believe. The story about Tyler Robinson

[27:31] and the Egyptian government and Charlie

[27:33] Kirk and the Zionists and Tyler Bowen

[27:35] and Erica Kirk. I demand a full

[27:38] investigation. Cash Patel, where are

[27:40] you? Where are you? Cash Patel,

[27:44] where are you? Attorney General Blanch,

[27:46] where are you? I want a full

[27:48] investigation right now. But let's be

[27:50] real. We know. We know. No one's going

[27:52] to do it. No one's going to do that

[27:54] investigation. You can't trust anyone.

[27:55] You can't trust anyone on this stuff

[27:57] except me. You can trust me, but no one

[27:59] else. And sometimes not even me. But

[28:02] really, but really just me. Seriously,

[28:04] no one except me. And guys, I'm just

[28:07] saying. Just saying. Just saying. If

[28:10] something happens to me, I did not kill

[28:13] myself. I'm just telling you, if

[28:14] something happens, I have compiled all

[28:15] the evidence. I've compiled it all. I

[28:18] put it all together. I've packaged it

[28:20] right up and I've sent it to Lionol

[28:22] Messi and it's in his inbox right now.

[28:25] And I also promise you, I promise guys,

[28:27] if you stick with me, there will be more

[28:29] bombshells to come. We're not going to

[28:31] stop. Not for a single day, not for a

[28:34] single hour, not for a moment, not for a

[28:36] millisecond, not for a zeppto second.

[28:38] We're not going to sleep. We're not

[28:40] going to eat. We're not going to breathe

[28:41] until the true perpetrator is tracked

[28:44] down and this crime is solved. Listen,

[28:46] I'm not going I'm not going to sleep.

[28:47] I'm not going to eat. I'm not going to

[28:49] breathe. I'm holding my breath right

[28:50] now.

[28:52] And now.

[28:54] still holding my breath right now

[28:58] because we want justice. And we also

[29:01] want you to keep listening tomorrow

[29:02] because again, I'm telling you, just

[29:04] telling you, if you listen tomorrow, I

[29:06] will have revelations. They will

[29:07] astonish you. I mean, like, incredible

[29:11] stuff I'm getting from my sources every

[29:12] single day. These are the kinds of

[29:14] revelations that will stop you in your

[29:15] tracks. Literally, you'll just be

[29:17] walking and then you'll stop walking

[29:19] when you hear them. You'll just be

[29:20] standing there in the middle of traffic

[29:22] paralyzed to oncoming trucks because of

[29:24] these revelations. And listen, listen,

[29:26] listen listen.

[29:29] The only person who could possibly get

[29:31] me to stop is Candace Owens herself

[29:35] because listen, Candace Owens, she was

[29:37] BFF's fors with Charlie. She was his

[29:40] bestie, bestie mcb bestie. And so I have

[29:42] to honor her request. So if Candace asks

[29:44] me to stop, I will. If she asks me to

[29:47] stop, I will. Unless she asks me to

[29:49] stop. That's when I know she did it. I

[29:52] mean, I don't know. No. But I No. No.

[29:55] No. No. No.

[30:09] In just a second, I'm going to explain

[30:10] to you what we just did here, like why

[30:12] that stuff all sounded the way that it

[30:14] did. What Candace does every day. In

[30:15] other words, we're just going to break

[30:16] it down. But speaking of breaking down

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[31:18] Okay, so the thing that we just did

[31:20] right there, that's the entire business

[31:21] model of the Candace Owens show every

[31:23] single day. That's the product. So, you

[31:25] may recall a while back I [snorts] gave

[31:27] you what we called the QED framework.

[31:30] Fake questions, fake evidence, fake

[31:32] defenses. And this is what conspiracy

[31:34] theories rest on. everything that I just

[31:37] said about Candace she has done to Brian

[31:39] Harpole to Erica Kirk to TPUSA to me to

[31:43] the truth piece by piece. So just going

[31:45] to break down again the sort of tactics

[31:46] you see being used here because again

[31:51] actually it needs to stop truly needs to

[31:53] stop. Okay so first fake questions. So

[31:56] start with the kind of tactic I just

[31:57] used. Why won't she release her travel

[31:59] records? Okay that question presupposes

[32:01] there's something in the travel records.

[32:03] As you can tell, it flips the burden of

[32:05] proof. In an actual court, in actual

[32:07] journalism, in a freshman high school

[32:09] logic class, the person making the

[32:10] claim, it carries the burden of proof.

[32:12] Just asking questions lets you make an

[32:15] accusation while pretending that you're

[32:16] actually, you know, being an honest

[32:17] truth seeker. And this is the

[32:19] loadbearing wall of 9 10 months of her

[32:22] Charlie Kirk coverage. Why didn't anyone

[32:24] call 911? Who are all the guys in maroon

[32:26] shirts? Why is there no footage? And

[32:28] lots of just asking questions. Each one

[32:30] smuggling in the premise. There's a

[32:32] cover up. The footage exists and it's

[32:33] being hidden. Grief is choreography,

[32:36] right? She ran it on me the other day.

[32:37] What does Ben Shapiro know? That was her

[32:39] actual episode title. So, here's the

[32:41] things that I know. Precisely what the

[32:43] evidence says. That's all the things

[32:44] that I know because again, I am not a

[32:46] con artist. Now, one of the best things

[32:48] about just asking questions is that you

[32:50] get to focus on motives. You get to

[32:51] suggest that motive itself is

[32:53] theoretically evidence. So, what you do

[32:55] is you say things like, "Who benefit

[32:57] Candace's merch sales?" And it sounds

[32:59] damning because it's actually true. She

[33:00] made a lot of money off this stuff. But

[33:03] is Candace Owen somehow implicated

[33:05] because of the fact she made a lot of

[33:06] money? Of course not. By that logic,

[33:08] funeral homes are serial killers and

[33:10] firefighters commit arson. Motive tells

[33:12] you maybe where to look for evidence,

[33:14] but it's not evidence itself. So when

[33:17] Candace points at raises given to

[33:18] Charlie's security team or Erica running

[33:21] Turning Point or at anyone whose life

[33:22] continued after September 10th in any

[33:24] way, that is the same empty nonsense.

[33:26] Life went on for you, therefore you

[33:28] wanted him dead. Okay, on to E, fake

[33:31] evidence in QED, fake evidence. So,

[33:34] Candace has literally literally tried to

[33:37] present dreams as a data point on her

[33:39] show. Not just her dreams, viewers of

[33:41] dreams read aloud as corroboration.

[33:44] I want you to sit with the fact for a

[33:45] second that I did not have to invent the

[33:46] dumbest piece of evidence. It was always

[33:48] in the record. It was already in the

[33:50] record. She did it. Then there's the the

[33:53] secret source, right? She does this all

[33:54] the time. My version was, I'm told by

[33:56] people in her circle, unverifiable

[33:58] sources, conveniently unfalsifiable.

[34:00] Now, she has a version with a name,

[34:03] Mitchell Snow, and a lawsuit attached

[34:05] because Snow claimed he witnessed

[34:06] Charlie's security chief, Brian Harpole,

[34:08] coming out of a classified meeting at

[34:10] Fort Huachuka the day before the

[34:11] assassination. And Candace called him

[34:13] credible, told her audience she'd

[34:15] verified it, and predicted a full

[34:17] confession from the government.

[34:19] Harpole's complaint says his travel

[34:20] records put him in Dallas that day. He's

[34:22] never set foot at Fort Huichuka and that

[34:24] she had access to records contradicting

[34:25] the story and kept broadcasting that.

[34:27] Anyway, that allegation, knowing

[34:29] falsity, is a is now for a federal court

[34:31] in Tennessee to decide. That's what

[34:33] happens when I'm told by secret sources

[34:35] meet something called discovery. A

[34:37] cherry-picking and epothemia that's

[34:39] pattern seeking to the rest of the case.

[34:41] The Daily Wire security overlap, the

[34:42] memory gaps. Now, each of these things

[34:45] is like a real boring fact ripped from

[34:48] context and then arranged into a

[34:49] constellation, right? Charlie day, it's

[34:52] always sunny style. And that's Canace's

[34:55] entiretick. Freeze frames of a car

[34:57] interior, crowdsourcing the comment

[34:59] section to identify a bag. Someone will

[35:01] recognize the brand. A widow's face

[35:03] graded frame by frame for insufficiently

[35:05] authentic grief.

[35:07] See, we human beings were

[35:08] pattern-seeking machines. Point that

[35:10] machine at 50 hours of footage on the

[35:12] worst day of someone's life, you will

[35:13] find anomalies because reality is filled

[35:15] with weird things and anomalies. Okay.

[35:17] Finally, fake defenses. D. Here's where

[35:19] it gets airtight. And I mean this as an

[35:20] insult. If you ask Candace what evidence

[35:22] would change her mind, she will never

[35:24] answer the question because that's

[35:25] non-falsifiability.

[35:27] That's the signature of nonsense. When

[35:29] the accused security chief did not

[35:31] respond to her text, that became

[35:32] evidence of guilt. The so-called Kafka

[35:34] trap. That's where both denial and

[35:35] silence convict you. And then when Brian

[35:37] Harpole did respond publicly on a

[35:39] podcast, that became evidence he's not a

[35:41] private citizen and now he's fair game.

[35:43] Heads, she wins, tails, you're in on it.

[35:45] And then when one claim collapses, the

[35:47] goalposts magically sprout legs. Charlie

[35:51] was killed by a exploding microphone.

[35:52] No, no, it turns out that he was shot,

[35:54] but he was shot from below. No, it turns

[35:56] out he might not have been shot from

[35:57] below, but he might have been shot from

[35:58] above, but not in the way you think. It

[36:00] was the security team. No, it was a

[36:01] Pentagon official. No, it was a meeting

[36:03] at an army base. Now, it was foreign

[36:04] intelligence. Every debunking is

[36:06] absorbed as proof of a deeper

[36:08] conspiracy. The deep play. Why is Ben so

[36:11] defensive? Why is Harpole suing? They

[36:13] must be scared. Now listen, I predicted

[36:15] that she would do this stuff in writing

[36:16] months ago. Not because I'm psychic, but

[36:19] because her playbook has only one page.

[36:22] The escape hatch every single time when

[36:23] it comes down to it. Well, that's just

[36:25] my opinion. It's not a fact. And where

[36:27] there's smoke, there's probably fire,

[36:29] but I have not personally confirmed the

[36:30] fire. So, this is called the Mott and

[36:32] Bailey tactic. You spend an hour in the

[36:35] Bailey accusing named living humans of

[36:37] conspiring to murder their friend or

[36:38] their husband and then you retreat to

[36:40] the M. Listen, I'm just a truth seeeking

[36:43] honest mother. Can't I just ask

[36:44] questions? Why can't I just ask

[36:45] questions? I mean, like, is it legal to

[36:48] ask questions or is it now illegal? So

[36:50] again, QED fake questions to plant the

[36:52] premise, fake evidence to dress it up,

[36:54] and fake defenses to make it unkillable.

[36:57] I built a ridiculous conspiratorial

[36:59] murder case against Candace Owens in 2

[37:01] minutes using her own toolbox. And the

[37:03] only reason it was funny instead of like

[37:05] evil is you know that I was joking. She

[37:08] is not joking and there is a cost to

[37:10] that. Now enormous swaths of the country

[37:13] have spent this entire week as a country

[37:15] focusing on a delusional podcaster

[37:18] who is mostly interested in cash and

[37:20] clicks. You know what we haven't spent

[37:23] the week doing? focusing on the matrix

[37:25] of violence created by radical left-wing

[37:27] ideology. You know, the thing that

[37:28] actually killed Charlie, an actual human

[37:31] with an actual family. We should have

[37:33] been spending the week fighting the

[37:35] radical trans ideology that left

[37:37] Charlie's dead body. We should have been

[37:39] doing that for like the last 10 months.

[37:41] Instead, we've been spending it debating

[37:42] whether Candace Owens understands how

[37:44] time zones and physics work. That's not

[37:47] just a problem for us or for Candace

[37:48] Owens. It's an existential problem for

[37:50] our society. Because when an entire

[37:52] society redirects its attention from

[37:55] true evil in favor of distracting

[37:56] idiocy, true evil continues to grow in

[37:59] the shadows. But here's the thing.

[38:00] There's a real evil that was growing

[38:02] right right out there in the open right

[38:04] there. Because what Candace is doing is

[38:06] her own kind of evil. The evil of

[38:08] conspiratorial garbage masquerading as

[38:10] factf finding, destroying both brain

[38:11] cells and lives. Cuz here's the thing.

[38:14] It's not just that Candace's nonsense

[38:15] makes people dumb, although it does.

[38:17] Candace's evil grift has real life

[38:20] costs. real costs. Brian Harpole is a

[38:22] real human who, according to his

[38:24] lawsuit, spent the day his client and

[38:25] friend was murdered covered in his blood

[38:27] trying to save his life and has spent

[38:29] every day since being called an

[38:30] accomplice by thousands of strangers.

[38:32] Erica Kirk is a real widow raising two

[38:34] real kids while former friends grade her

[38:37] tears for authenticity and reports are

[38:39] written about the number of death

[38:40] threats she receives. Tyler Robinson,

[38:42] you know, the person who actually shot

[38:44] Charlie and the person actually charged

[38:46] with the murder, whom prosecutors say

[38:48] acted alone, becomes an afterthought. I

[38:51] mean, hell, Candace has even said she's

[38:52] willing to aid the defense in this case.

[38:55] Skepticism is healthy. Skepticism means

[38:58] you follow the actual facts and evidence

[38:59] wherever they lead. But what Candace is

[39:01] doing is precisely the opposite.

[39:03] Deciding where she's going and then

[39:05] calling the drive research.

[39:07] Now, all this is destructive and that's

[39:08] actually the point. to tear down

[39:10] institutions that have stood firm

[39:12] through the worst moments of Western

[39:13] society to wreak havoc, to sew doubt, to

[39:15] build a following, to gain clicks, to

[39:17] make money. That's the game. The

[39:18] audience is the pawn. See, when you

[39:20] start with a premise as ludicrous and

[39:22] evil as Candace is, that a grieving

[39:24] widow collaborated with foreign

[39:26] influencers and foreign influences and

[39:28] shadowy cabals and members of TP USA to

[39:31] murder her husband or cover up that

[39:32] murder, or that a foreign leader ordered

[39:34] the hit of a popular conservative

[39:35] commentator to drag us into a war, or

[39:37] that an organization plotted the

[39:39] assassination of the person at the head

[39:40] of the organization to line their own

[39:42] pockets. You're forcing the audience to

[39:43] make a choice. Are you going to reject

[39:45] these insane scenarios, or are you going

[39:47] to follow Candice into battle? But once

[39:50] the latter is chosen, you have now

[39:51] opened yourself up to going down the

[39:53] deepest, darkest rabbit holes

[39:55] imaginable. You have let the

[39:56] conspiratorial demons in. You have

[39:58] joined a cult. What can I believe? Is

[40:01] the evidence being presented before my

[40:02] eyes even real? No way. What is real?

[40:06] Who shot Charlie? Who shot JFK? Are the

[40:08] pyramids real? Are the birds real? Do

[40:10] the Jews control a space laser? Who is

[40:12] out to get me? How is the game rigged

[40:14] against me? And by the way, the last

[40:17] couple questions, that's the ultimate

[40:18] goal. Demoralization to teach everybody

[40:21] that everything is broken and nothing is

[40:23] real. You can't trust anything. You

[40:26] can't trust institutions. You can't

[40:27] trust values. You can't trust morality.

[40:29] You can't trust the scientific process.

[40:31] You can't trust anything. There's only

[40:33] one person you can trust, the conspiracy

[40:36] grifter behind the microphone. Okay,

[40:38] that brings us to what actually happened

[40:40] yesterday in the preliminary hearing for

[40:44] Tyler Robinson, the alleged murderer of

[40:46] Charlie Kirk. So, it turns out that

[40:51] Erica and Charlie's parents have asked

[40:54] all evidence in court to be shown

[40:55] publicly. So, clearly, if they're

[40:56] engaging in a cover up, it's the world's

[40:57] weirdest cover up because they want

[40:58] everything to actually be shown

[41:00] publicly, which is typically not what

[41:02] what happens when you're looking for a

[41:04] cover up. According to Andrea Birkhard

[41:06] reporting, for 10 months, the victim's

[41:08] family has waited for this preliminary

[41:09] hearing. Erica Kirk, the widow of

[41:11] Charlie Kirk and his grieving parents

[41:13] traveled to this courtroom for one

[41:14] reason. This is their court filing. To

[41:16] be present at these proceedings and to

[41:17] bear witness to the evidence concerning

[41:19] the death of their husband and son. At

[41:21] certain points throughout the

[41:21] preliminary hearing, the Kirk family sat

[41:23] in the room while evidence was admitted

[41:25] but not presented for their viewing.

[41:26] They were present in body yet denied the

[41:28] very thing their presence was meant to

[41:29] secure, their ability to meaningfully

[41:31] observe the preliminary hearing. And

[41:34] again, they say that they just want

[41:35] everybody to be able to see the

[41:37] evidence.

[41:39] Their their filing says in the absence

[41:41] of transparency, speculation, and

[41:43] conspiracy, theories related to the

[41:44] tragic assassination of Mr. Kirk will

[41:46] continue to proliferate in the public

[41:48] domain, breeding doubt and distrust in

[41:49] the judicial system, which of course is

[41:51] a reference to Candace and her cronies.

[41:54] Well, Tyler Robinson's defense, they

[41:57] thought that um it would be a good time

[41:59] to dig at Erica Kirk and Charlie's

[42:01] parents.

[42:03] And I want to point out to the court,

[42:04] Miss Kirk has been very adept at holding

[42:07] press conferences at which she has

[42:09] revealed evidence.

[42:11] She has uh represented that the state is

[42:14] her attorney. She has access to all the

[42:18] evidence that the state has publicized

[42:21] and that the media and her own lawyer

[42:24] argues is already in the public domain.

[42:27] So, they're perfectly free to go outside

[42:30] this courtroom under the court's uh

[42:32] protective order. They're free to go out

[42:34] and hold press conferences and announce

[42:36] to the world outside the courtroom what

[42:39] they think the evidence is. They have a

[42:41] the availability of that evidence. But

[42:43] the court's role, I think, at some point

[42:45] is to exercise some control, move the

[42:48] case forward, and especially when we

[42:50] have witness availability problems.

[42:53] And so again, what the attorneys are

[42:55] trying to do on the defense side are

[42:56] basically attack Charlie's family and

[42:58] suggest that something untored has

[42:59] happened because they're talking about

[43:00] the case publicly. Well, the evidence

[43:02] has been public for quite a while in

[43:03] this particular case. So Tyler

[43:05] Robinson's defense, one of the things

[43:07] you'll notice is that they're not using

[43:08] any of the ridiculous material that

[43:10] Candace Owens has tried to present to

[43:12] exonerate Tyler Robinson because it's

[43:14] just ridiculous and specious. Instead,

[43:16] what they're trying to do is suggest

[43:17] that the Kirk family should not be

[43:19] talking about this case outside of

[43:20] court. by the actual presentation of

[43:22] evidence yesterday in court. Remember,

[43:24] it's a preliminary hearing. This is not

[43:25] the trial. This is just to show that

[43:27] there is a colorable case sufficient to

[43:29] overcome the possibility of reasonable

[43:32] doubt. Okay? So, some of the evidence

[43:35] that was presented was Lance Twigs, who

[43:38] is the trans boyfriend of Tyler

[43:41] Robinson, left a note under his

[43:43] keyboard. Twigs confirms that Robinson

[43:46] left a note under his keyboard that

[43:48] admits to everything.

[43:51] Do you recognize that that on the screen

[43:54] there?

[43:55] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[43:56] >> What do you recognize it as?

[43:58] >> Um, that was the note under his keyboard

[44:01] that he was referring [clears throat] to

[44:02] in the first text of that chain.

[44:06] >> So, where did you find this?

[44:08] >> On on his desk underneath his like uh

[44:11] computer keyboard.

[44:13] >> The note, by the way, read, quote, "I

[44:15] had the opportunity to take out Charlie

[44:16] Kirk and I'm going to take it." Okay.

[44:19] And then again, the way this worked was

[44:21] it wasn't a full-scale interview of

[44:22] Lance Twigs. Lance Twigs instead, it was

[44:24] about a 20-minute tape that was played

[44:26] of Lance Twigs in court. Well, in the

[44:29] tape, Twigs says that he talked with

[44:30] Robinson the day after, and Robinson

[44:32] started crying and saying that he wishes

[44:34] he hadn't done it.

[44:37] >> So, he acted erratically. Um, was he

[44:41] pacing? Was he just sitting down,

[44:43] relaxing?

[44:44] >> No, he was he was uh walking around a

[44:46] lot.

[44:47] >> And that's within the home. Mhm.

[44:50] >> Um, and did he talk about what he had

[44:53] done?

[44:55] >> Uh, didn't go into detail. He just I

[44:58] just asked him in person if what he said

[45:00] was true the night before and he said it

[45:03] was. I started crying a little bit and

[45:06] said he wishes he hadn't done it.

[45:10] >> And then Twigs said in the tape as well

[45:12] that Robinson said he was going to turn

[45:14] himself in. Of course, you you saw the

[45:16] tape yesterday. We showed it on the show

[45:18] of him moving toward the police station

[45:20] to turn himself in

[45:23] >> and then eventually said that he would

[45:25] talk to his parents or turn himself

[45:28] over.

[45:29] >> Okay. [snorts]

[45:30] And uh when you left, was that how you

[45:33] went you left understanding that he was

[45:35] going to turn himself in or go to his

[45:36] parents house?

[45:37] >> Yeah.

[45:40] >> Twigs also testified that Tyler Robinson

[45:43] had asked him for a tool to engrave

[45:45] bullets. This is about a month before

[45:47] the shooting.

[45:49] >> The Dremel that you talked about, um,

[45:52] you said he had asked for that. Is that

[45:54] right?

[45:54] >> Mhm.

[45:55] >> And had he told you it was to inscribe

[45:57] bullets?

[45:58] >> Yeah.

[45:59] >> And, uh, so did you have a Dremel then?

[46:02] >> Yeah.

[46:02] >> Okay.

[46:03] >> Uh, it was in our like we had a our

[46:04] apartment. We had a section where we

[46:06] kept all our like random tools for

[46:08] household stuff uh in our like uh lower

[46:12] basement level pantry. Um, so yeah.

[46:15] Okay. And did you give that to him or

[46:17] tell him where it was?

[46:18] >> I just told him where it was. Yeah.

[46:21] >> Okay. So, Jen Famuina, who's a sergeant

[46:24] with the State Bureau of Investigation,

[46:25] explained the photos of Robinson's

[46:27] engraved bullets and what was on them?

[46:30] >> This is the cartridge case that was

[46:32] recovered from the gun.

[46:34] >> And what position was this in in the

[46:37] gun?

[46:38] >> This was the or this is what was in the

[46:41] chamber.

[46:42] >> Okay. in the chamber meaning uh that's

[46:45] where that's where a cartridge is before

[46:47] it's or when it is fired. Correct?

[46:49] >> Yes.

[46:52] >> Do you notice an inscription or an

[46:54] etching on this cartridge case?

[46:57] >> Yes, I do.

[46:58] >> Will you read what that says?

[47:00] >> Yes. Notice bulge.

[47:02] >> And if we can go down to page two of the

[47:04] exhibit,

[47:06] will you read what this says?

[47:09] >> Ow. Whats? and page three.

[47:13] >> This

[47:17] >> okay. And um the police also explained

[47:21] the bullets themselves. It turns out

[47:23] that the the bullets themselves

[47:26] are soft point bullets. Okay, they are

[47:29] designed soft point bullets to expand or

[47:32] mushroom on entry. They're not known for

[47:33] producing an exit wound. So again, all

[47:35] the conspiracy theorists have been doing

[47:36] this routine like what happened to the

[47:37] exit wound? Why is there no exit wound?

[47:38] The bullet is literally designed not to

[47:41] create exit wounds. That is what it is

[47:42] designed to do. The police also revealed

[47:45] photos of Tyler Robinson's text directly

[47:48] on his phone. Remember, we were told

[47:50] those texts were fake. Here they are

[47:51] directly on the phone. According to

[47:53] Fox's Matt Finn, Tyler Robinson, the

[47:56] alleged murderer, was squirming when the

[47:58] rifle and his text were displayed.

[48:01] When they got to the the point

[48:03] discussing the rifle that was used, uh,

[48:05] Tyler Robinson was squirming, apparently

[48:08] uncomfortable, swinging in his chair,

[48:10] scratching his nose. He looked

[48:11] uncomfortable with the texts that were

[48:13] being discussed.

[48:16] Now, it turns out that pretty much all

[48:17] of these facts were in evidence within

[48:19] the very first days. And we have not

[48:22] found tremendously new material here.

[48:24] Like, all of this was clear from the

[48:26] very outset. From the very outset. So,

[48:28] you wonder how the kind of

[48:30] conspiratorial trash that Candace Owens

[48:32] has been pushing received this much

[48:33] play. One reason, of course, she has a

[48:36] big audience, but there's another

[48:37] reason, which is quote unquote

[48:38] mainstream figures humoring and echoing

[48:41] all this stuff. Whether it's Tucker

[48:42] Carlson claiming that actually Charlie

[48:44] was killed over Israel, or whether it

[48:46] was Megan Kelly continuously saying for

[48:48] the last 10 months that she is not going

[48:50] to condemn anything that Candace was

[48:52] doing here. So now, now at long last,

[48:54] Megan Kelly has said, "Hey guys, hey

[48:56] guys. Hey guys, hey guys. Hey guys,

[48:57] guys, it's time to follow the evidence,

[48:59] says Megan Kelly. Oh, I is it? Is it

[49:02] now? That's that's fascinating because

[49:03] he spent 10 months saying that you would

[49:06] you would rather die than condemn

[49:08] Candace Owens for doing what Candace

[49:09] Owens was doing. So Megan Kelly, here

[49:11] she is now following the evidence. Wow.

[49:16] We have to deal in evidence. This is not

[49:19] an okay time for who who might have been

[49:22] on Charlie's bad side, who might have

[49:24] been threatened by Charlie, who might

[49:25] have been mad at Charlie. We have to

[49:27] talk about evidence at this stage. It is

[49:30] time to put up or shut up. And what we

[49:33] see is no evidence. No evidence that

[49:36] will lead us to believe anyone other

[49:39] right now than Tyler Robinson was

[49:41] responsible for this cause.

[49:50] You know, when would time for her to say

[49:52] that?

[49:55] I don't know. Maybe back in September of

[49:58] 2025. What What changed between now and

[50:00] then? By the way, now it's time to

[50:01] listen to the evidence. Now it's time

[50:02] for people to put up or shut up. Weird.

[50:05] By the way, earlier this week, you had

[50:07] Megan Kelly saying people should leave

[50:08] Erica alone just for this week. Which

[50:10] people Which people should Who who who

[50:19] I got to say

[50:21] it's been it's been kind of crazy to

[50:23] watch Erica have to sit through this

[50:26] >> and have to deal with all of this. And

[50:30] >> I really really wish that the people who

[50:32] have doubts about Erica Kirk would just

[50:35] keep them quiet this week. I mean,

[50:39] whether you like her or you don't like

[50:40] her,

[50:41] >> hopefully the human inside of you can

[50:44] see how difficult this is for her and

[50:46] the family to sit in there and have to

[50:48] listen to this and have to be feet away

[50:52] from Tyler Robinson and then soon the

[50:55] videotape of the lover and

[50:58] they're removing themselves for the most

[51:00] graphic pieces of the testimony. But

[51:02] they're hearing enough. This is going to

[51:04] be intensely upsetting.

[51:08] And this is gonna wow. Has anything else

[51:10] been intensely upsetting over the last

[51:11] 10 months or so? I don't know. I don't

[51:13] know. But now would be like an amazing

[51:15] time for Megan Kelly to, you know, maybe

[51:18] talk about the people who are attacking

[51:20] Erica Kirk. You know, when else would

[51:23] have been an amazing time any time over

[51:25] the past 10 months. But in that very

[51:28] same broadcast, here was Megan Kelly

[51:31] when asked directly about Candace

[51:32] Owens's perverse attacks on Erica Kirk

[51:34] and TPUSA and everybody else. She was

[51:36] confronted, unfortunately for her, by

[51:38] one of her own guests on this. And um

[51:41] here she was.

[51:44] >> I mean, I don't agree with Candace's

[51:46] theory of this case, but I have to say I

[51:48] I genuinely believe she was traumatized

[51:50] by watching her die. I I can relate to

[51:54] it.

[51:54] >> And um I think she and I think she she

[51:58] distrusts authority. I don't agree with

[52:00] her again, Matt, but I just like

[52:02] >> and I know people have very strong

[52:03] feelings about her. I just

[52:05] >> Oh, do they?

[52:06] >> I think she's in her own search for what

[52:09] >> she believes happened here and her own

[52:11] search. She has zero trust in official

[52:13] words on anything.

[52:15] >> Oh, that's what it is. She's on her own

[52:17] journey, guys. We got We got to back.

[52:18] She's on her journey. She's searching

[52:20] for her truth. She was traumatized,

[52:22] which is why it's totally fine for her.

[52:24] I mean, she's a young mother is what

[52:25] Megan originally. She's a young mother,

[52:27] and she's not going to say anything

[52:28] about a young mother who is busily

[52:29] attacking a young widow mother. She's

[52:33] not She's not She's traumatized.

[52:36] Here's the thing. Wicked grifters like

[52:38] Candace Owens can't do all of this

[52:40] alone. They can't do it without a little

[52:42] help from the friends Megan Kelly and

[52:44] Tucker Carlson and Sean Ryan and the

[52:46] rest of the conspiratorial clown car.

[52:49] But don't worry, the fearless search for

[52:51] truth in podcastistan continues. What an

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