All right, you guys. Happy Tuesday. Sorry we are
running a few minutes late. It takes so much time to investigate. We are such a small team and we're
constantly trying to make sure we're giving you guys the most accurate information. And you know,
it suddenly occurred to me after last week that I should maybe go back and find all of the original
videos that were going viral on social media on 910. you know, all the videos pertaining to the
assassination, uh, the people that were providing testimony as to what happened. And immediately,
we started to notice a pattern. We noticed that a lot of the eyewitnesses and the people that
were sharing those videos weren't exactly random college students from UVU, but rather people that
either had strong ties to the government or to Turning Point USA altogether. So, what gives? Also
later on, we're going to discuss Andrew Kovette, the PR agent, close friend of Charlie
Kirk, who sat down with Alex Clark to answer questions pertaining to whether or not
Charlie Kirk was converting to Catholicism and whether or not he was offered $150 million from
Israel. Except I literally do not know who said either of those things, but we'll see how he
responded. Anyway, welcome back to Candace. A couple of things that I want to say at the top
to help focus some of these investigations that are going on. So many people that are sending
us emails and I see a lot of the chatter that's happening. Uh first and foremost, no, Charlie was
not wearing an earpiece. That he was not wearing an earpiece. I saw some of that earlier footage
and it looked like he was and I was able to verify that actually what people think is an earpiece
that's coming up is actually the necklace that he was wearing. I also want you guys to know
that he was not wearing a bulletproof vest. I was able to verify that and there does seem to
be a backstory there. somebody that had reached out who had been providing vests for Charlie
uh and then no longer was providing vests for him. We're looking into that, but I wanted
you to know those two facts. All right. Now, jumping into what I wanted to discuss today.
We thought we should go back and re-examine all of the witnesses. Okay. The people who spoke
out to the press in the immediate aftermath of the killing. Obviously, that's what brought us
to Calira Engineering. uh the man who owned a couple of houses on that block. And we found out
that Calera Engineering, a lot of the employees live on that block. And then of course uh I want
to be clear, it doesn't make these people guilty of anything. But I thought it was interesting
that I kept seeing this theme that none of these individuals were students of UVU. I guess
that's just coincidental. Uh, just to go back, we had already discussed Tiffany Barker and that
early morning GMA interview, Good Morning America interview that she did with her nieces. So, I'm
going to show you that again to jog your memory uh because we have an update. Take a listen. We're
joined now by Tiffany Barker and her nieces L Steel and Mia Grant who were all in the audience
yesterday afternoon. Thank you for joining us uh this morning. I know it's been a difficult
day for all of you right now. And Tiffany, let me begin with you. Just tell us what you remember
about the scene yesterday. It was horrific. There was one shot that rang out and everybody instantly
looked around and then fell to the ground. People saw Charlie instantly get shot in the neck and
everybody fell to the ground and then people started running and got run over and I was with my
family. We had 16 of us there. So, five adults and like 11 children. and we instantly got separated.
We're trying to find everybody and we had amazing good Samaritans that grabbed kids. One took my
niece and took her to her apartment. Somebody grabbed these two and my daughter and took them
over to the tennis courts and stayed with them till I came. It was a super awful tragedy and
there were really good people that stood up and supported each other and it was actually really
powerful to see that. L and me, I can't imagine how scared you must have been yesterday. What can
you tell us about what you all remember? L, you go first. Um, so I remember hearing this thing.
I didn't It was hard to like know what it was, but then I saw it and I saw blood everywhere and
it hit his artery and then I just we fell to I fell to the ground. I covered my my head with my
hands and then I just started saying a prayer and then we all ran we sprinted away and we ran into
like we ran away to and then we met at the tennis courts and I couldn't and then we couldn't find
um anyone. It was just me, Mia, and then my other cousin Bella. And then we and then we were
calling everyone. We didn't know what to do. And then we finally met up with them and it was
just so scary. I'm sure. Mia, I remember that we were like 15 ft away and I thought like the shot
was like a firecracker or something. It just it just didn't seem real. After that, we went like
behind where Charlie Kirk was. And then we were meeting up at the tennis courts and trying to find
everyone and get everyone together. And Charlie Kirk was such a good guy. I'm going to miss him
so much. I've always watched all of his videos and I can't imagine what you always going to miss
Charlie Kirk. Can't imagine what you went through yesterday. Thanks for sharing your stories this
morning. Okay, so to update you and to remind you, I had mentioned that first and foremost, Tiffany
Barker is a part of a very political family, a very connected family in the region. Uh, the
internet sleuths just were on it. Apparently, there's a whole Reddit feed and they were able
to determine that not only is she connected to a a a big political family that is high up in
the LDS church, but she also forgot to mention and maybe there wasn't time to mention to be fair
that they knew Charlie that uh the daughter had sung at Charlie Kirk's event. So, it would have
been something that I I think I would have said, but again, sort of in the chaos, maybe in the
next morning while the manhunt is going on and in this sort of short stint of speaking to uh
Good Morning America, you didn't have time to give those details. Now, many people were curious
mainly as to why the children were so descriptive regarding the artery. And Tiffany herself made a
response video and addressed that question. And here is what she had to say. When we get in the
car, we're stuck in the parking lot for like an hour and a half. My niece that was sitting right
behind me in this car filmed Charlie getting shot. She was filming him speaking and then she said,
"Tiff, I have it on video." And I said, "Give me your phone. I don't want you to watch it. Give me
the phone." So, I took her phone. And the kids in the car with me, because they were closer down by
my sister, had seen it really close up and they saw how much Charlie bled. And we're all trying
to process that. So, I have an hour and a half in a car with my nieces and my two daughters, and
I'm trying to help them through what we just saw. And they said, "Why did he bleed like that?" And
I said, "There's an artery here. Maybe they hit an artery." I didn't know. We didn't know anything.
And we're trying to get information. And then I get one text come in and said, "Glenbeck said
he's stable." And I told the kids, "You guys, okay, he's okay." They're taking turns praying
for him. So, I connected with her after she made this video. And I wanted to specifically
confirm and clarify two things. Again, not because I think her or her nieces had anything
to do with the assassination. Uh, but because they were eyewitnesses and I first and foremost wanted
to know why Good Morning America reached out with them. It didn't seem to me that any of the videos
she put out would have inspired a producer to reach out and say, "Hey, can you be our eyewitness
uh uh provide eyewitness testimony to what took place?" and she intimated to me that actually it
was a political connection. That was the reason it happened. Uh her sister ran as lieutenant governor
alongside Phil Leman and actually Good Morning America reached out to Phil Leman and somehow that
is how instead of her Phil Leman or her sister, they ended up with her sister's children and her
because they were at the event. Now, regarding her, obviously you heard her explanation for why
they mentioned the artery. I wanted to see if they even recorded that footage of Charlie or if they
were close enough to see that. And my answer to that would be no on the basis of the footage that
she gave me. She has not yet provided any footage that would suggest that uh her nieces saw that
graphic or or were able anything that was that descriptive. I think this might have been just
a little bit of like political insertion, so to speak. Either way, I will say that any kids being
anywhere where a shot is ringing out is going to be traumatizing to a child. And of course,
she is being honest that through discussion, she is the one that kind of gave them the idea
regarding the artery. But then I decided to take a look or just including this, I was simultaneously
taking a look at George Zinn. Obviously, I wanted to track down George Zinn because where was Decoy
Boy sitting? Uh where exactly was he arrested? And I was able to discover something that
I found to be quite odd. George Zinn was arrested in the same area, almost in the exact
spot where Charlie's SUV departs, which to me, if you think somebody is the killer, you probably
wouldn't send them in the direction of someone that they just shot. So, I wanted to sort of
prod that narrative a little bit further. So, first I want you guys in case you don't understand
the layout um of this particular if we're calling it a stadium that he was sitting amphitheater
that Charlie was sitting. There is a tent, okay? And we're coming inward here. You can see
that kind of half hexagon that's sitting there. Uh where that dot is is where Charlie is sitting.
And you can see there's like a bridge walkway and Charlie has to walk underneath that to get to
where his cars are. Okay. So, in front of him is the audience. in that half hexagon. And yep,
we're coming inward. Right there. Um where you can see the mouse pointing right there is where the
SUVs were waiting. The SUV that carried Charlie. So they just went backwards from where the tent
was. Okay. And um that underpass is right here. You can see a clear image of it. And you can
actually see now we're in that underpass and or sitting we are kind of where that SUV was and you
can see the back of the tent that Charlie was in. We were able to determine that it was
approximately 40 seconds from the time that the shot rang off to when the security
brings Charlie into the waiting SUV. So, they moved very quickly from shots to getting him into
the SUV, obviously trying to save his life. Then, approximately just 1 minute and 8 seconds
later, George Zinn is brought to that exact same territory. So Charlie departs and about a
minute and 8 seconds later um we've got George is in and he is in handcuffs and I'm being when I
say a minute and 8 seconds I'm building in extra seconds. I'm trying to be as precise as possible.
I am counting and I'm watching everything but I found it again odd that George Zinn is arrested in
the exact same area that they just took Charlie. And it's fast, right? And it's especially fast
because we then found footage of George Zinn after the shot rings out and we're going to watch
this. He's gonna he's going to get up and people are dispersing everywhere and he kind of calmly
gets up and starts making his way down that stadium. You can see that here. We have the light
on him and his pants fall down by themselves. So you can see that his pants did not like we were
kind of under working under the assumption that his pants fell down because I don't know the
the police were pulling him but that's actually incorrect. They just fall down all by themselves
and you can see uh that a young man comes by to try to assist him. Okay. So it's not has nothing
to do with the arrest. Now, to be clear, when we see him sort of making his way down those stairs,
we can actually approximate because we did said we're counting seconds that this happens earliest
30 seconds after the shot is fired. Okay. And this clip that that clip that you just watched is about
20 seconds long. So, it's about a full 50 seconds. And we know that George Zinn is still sitting
is still standing right there. Okay. So, um, somehow George Zinn needs to get from where you
just saw him, where his pants fall to handcuffs in the f SU SUV zone in about 40 seconds flat. Again,
that's very fast. We were able to find the footage of him walking down. He just walks down like you
see him. He just is is walking down the stairs and he has his hat in his hand and he starts waving
and he's going toward the left side of the tent. If you're behind the tent looking forward,
like if you're if you have Charlie's view, he is then going to kind of go down and he walks
to the left side of the tent. So, I wanted to show you this like second timeline that I put together
because this just lets you know what happens in the immediate after in in the immediate aftermath.
Um, Charlie, I mean Charlie Skyler, I'm not sure if I told you to pull that. Can you see that? That
little timeline that we have. Yeah, no worries. I'll give you a couple of seconds, but we have,
you know, Charlie gets shot. 40 seconds later, uh, Charlie's brought to the SUV. 10 seconds after
that is where George Zinn's pants fall down in the middle of a departing crowd. And then a minute and
15 seconds after that shot rings out, George Zinn is waving his hat near the left side of the
tent. And then at the minute 48 second mark, George Zinn is in handcuffs and he is being pulled
near where Charlie's SUV has just departed. It's very quick. Okay, all of this takes place in under
two minutes. Not the vibe that I got. Obviously, when you are behind your cell phone and you're
getting all of these updates and you're trying to follow all the ex accounts to see who has
the newest information, I certainly was not under the impression um that it all took that all
took place in just 2 minutes. So then that photo starts circulating online. You know which photo
I'm talking about. It's George Zinn and he's bent down and he is in handcuffs and that goes viral.
And so I was wanted to get to the bottom of that. Who actually shared that photo of George Zinn in
handcuffs? And I was able to determine that that was somebody who lived in Utah who advertises
with Turning Point USA. And when he did some press about it, he didn't mention that connection
to Turning Point USA, but he for sure advertises um with them or has advertised in the past. Um
again, things are moving unbelievably quickly and I have now watched that footage from many
angles. And there's another thing that happens in the immediate aftermath that stands out to
me. There is what I assume must be a donor. It a sponsor of some description uh or an employee of
a donor slashsponsor. And he tries to get close to Charlie after the shots are fired, but not in like
a rescue way. There was already like a team of men that fly in. Um and then he gets there and I'm not
sure what the intention is. I don't know if it's just like obviously you're in you're shocked,
maybe you're trying to be helpful. Who knows? The security guard just kind of shoes him away
immediately. And then what the guy does is he sort of just stands up and he takes out like walks
to the side and takes out his cell phone. So, I'm going to show you that. That's he's right
there in the blue shirt. And like he I I don't I sends a text as as I'm watching the footage. It
goes on a little bit longer. like sends a text, takes a photo. Not entirely clear what's being
done there, but it just sort of stood out to me like in the middle of the chaos seeing that. And
I would really like to know who that is because we had received a ton of messages from current um
employees at Turning Point that had mentioned that company. Uh he's wearing a shirt that says Wirefi.
And according to the sources at Turning Point, it it was a rather young company, meaning that
the company hasn't been around for very long. that came out in a really big way in terms
of sponsorship uh for this tour. And that's common sense given the fact that Wirefy, you will
notice in the clips of the event, is the backdrop advertiser that's behind Charlie. So maybe this
person came because it's his first event of the season and they are the major sponsors. Like
I said, judging by the placement and the fact that a Wirefi donor or employee is there, uh we
can draw the conclusion that they sponsored this very event. And um I'm interested in knowing who
that is. Uh so if you've got any answers for that, please let me know because I would like to
see what he took a picture of and to get his um perspective on things. Certainly would
like to identify who that individual is. I then decided to try to track down the origin
of a video that actually no press has been done on. It was the video of the I assumed it was a
student and I think you know we shouldn't make assumptions who recorded the shooter on the roof.
Remember that started going viral. You remember the footage and they're like and there's a guy
that's kind of speaking in the background. We can show you that footage right now. Um let's take
a look at that footage that we're referring to. right up. Yeah. You think he'd already be in
place? You would think that. So, there's somebody on the roof right there. Just saying. Huh? He just
ran from uh over Where's my finger? Who from over there? Ran in. He's right there. Just saying.
Okay. So, this footage proved very difficult to track down. And what I mean by that is it was
very simple for me to find the account that made the that published the video and made the video
viral. And when I reached out to that individual, they were immediately responsive. And I said,
"Hey, where did you get this where'd you get this footage from?" And the individual said to me,
a friend of a friend's like family member sent it. So I'm like, "Okay, you're telling me the chain is
already twice removed." I said, "Do you know who took the video?" And he said, "No, I don't know
who took the video." And when I asked the person who sent it to me to tell me who did because I
have all of these journalists, including yourself, reaching out to me trying to get to the bottom
of it, he just stopped answering me. I said, "So your friend who sent you this video just stops
answering you and he then sends me a screenshot of a conversation that they're having on an app
that I don't recognize, right? So we are proddding that." And I'm he has been responsive, so I'm sure
he'll tell me what app this is. And sure enough, uh, the person says, "Well, there were two people
actually who took that footage, which obviously isn't possible, but there are two people that
were involved in taking that footage." And he sends him two numbers. And those two numbers were
both Chicago based. And when I looked up who um, you know, whose numbers those were, it looked to
me like that was just kind of leading to nowhere. Like, why are these two Chicago based numbers? It
was very weird. and very sketchy. So then I have a guy who's on the ground in Utah and I asked him, a
student, to start looking around, fishing around, and seeing if he could figure out who took that
photo. Again, operating under the assumption that this must have been a student that was walking by
Beloi Center. And he comes back and he says, "I I have a number of an individual. This is allegedly
the person who took the footage." Uh, and I said, "Do you know that person? Is this is this a
UVU student?" He said, "No." And I said, "Well, where did you get this number from?" And he says,
"Well, on the day there was a guy named Aaron who was walking around and was checking on people
and Aaron is the one that gave me this number. You know, I don't know Aaron even, but like he's
the person that gave it to me." So then he I said, "Can I have can I have Aaron's number?" He gives
me Aaron's number and Aaron also has a Chicago number. So I'm getting from somebody on the ground
and I'm getting from this person on Twitter that all of these Chicago numbers are involved and
that's not making sense to me. And um I then tried to text that number of the person who allegedly
shot the footage. We didn't get a response until today. We finally got a response from that person.
Hop on the phone with him. He explains that it wasn't just him. It was one other person uh who he
was walking with who saw this person run across. Neither of them are students of UVU. Uh one of
them uh said he was a student at BYU, which is Brigham university and he's like, "Well, I didn't
take the footage, but my friend took the footage." And his friend does not have a uh does not have a
Chicago based number. So, I am confused and we ask if he'd be willing to send us the footage and to
get us on the phone with the person who actually took the footage. I had a conversation with that
individual after all of this running around. Hence the reason these episodes take so long
to put together because you're calling people, you're waiting for responses. and what he said to
me completely betrays the narrative of what the FBI has put out. I am working to quadruple confirm
exactly who this individual is. Uh but he was very much um and maybe this is a poor way of saying
it a straight shooter said yes you know I have training I um and I don't want to give too many
identifying details here but this person himself has a lot of experience with guns and knows guns
and um you know helps to train people in that sort of a capacity and said that they observed
that individual the FBI saying that the shooter dropped onto the roof at 12:15. Didn't make sense
to him. He said earliest it was 12:22 that the individual ran across, set up, took the shots, and
I said, "Well, you must have been there." Because he then sends me um the I I wanted to see all of
the metadata of when he took that footage. And it the metadata begins at 12:22 and goes into 12:23,
the very minute that Charlie gets shot. And he says, "Yeah, I saw the shot. I had just stopped
recording about 20 seconds before the shot rang out. And he said that he told them a description
of what the shooter looked like and it was not the description that the entire world received
less than 24 hours later of this person, Tyler Robinson, wearing jeans. I said, "Was he wearing
jeans?" He said, "No, actually uh this person was dressed in tactical gear and he was wearing a face
mask." And he said, according to him, like I said, he has a lot of experience with guns, that this
person looked to him like a foreign agent. I don't I don't know if he's wearing all black how he got
that, but he said there's no he was very certain that this person was skilled, knew exactly
what he was doing, and was highly trained, like a highly trained assassin, so to speak. Okay.
He then says something else. As soon as George Zin got arrested and that started circulating, he ran
to someone on campus and said, "This is the wrong person. I observed this person with my eyes.
You have the complete wrong description. The person you're looking for is wearing tactical
gear and is obviously young because I watched him sprint back after taking the shot. I saw this
with my own two eyes." And for whatever reason, that never made its way out that we can see of
a description of a person wearing tactical gear. um we're kind of left with this idea that he was
wearing the now infamous um veterans shirt with the American flag on it and some jeans. So,
he also said something that we had not heard, which is that he knows guns and the gun that the
FBI found was not the gun that he saw. That the gun that he saw was smaller. And I'm going to read
you directly a text message that he sent me again protecting his identity. Uh he said, "Watching
the video of the impact, hearing the sharp crack instead of a big hunting rifles boom and
seeing what looked like a shorter rifle platform, albeit with the absence of the shape of a standard
30 round magazine. The assassin may have used a 10 or 20 round magazine, only expecting to shoot
once or twice. I would guess that he was shot with a Hornady VMAX or similar lightweight 223 bullet
designed for very rapid expansion. Of course, I don't have access to any autopsy reports like you
might, but if they found small shards of copper rather than one large copper coated lead slug,
that's the gun and bullet I would expect was used. So, I wanted to share that because I know that a
part of this entire thing was our upset at kind of being taken for a ride by the FBI. It makes no
sense to me that they wouldn't share those details immediately while this manhunt was taking place.
We got every other name and basically every other description. Uh, and we're told nothing like what
this person who says that he was an eyewitness. he was the eyewitness to this and that he went
right in and said all this information. Why wouldn't you share the eyewitness report that you
received that completely counters the narrative? And I would say again assuming this guy's story
checks out and it seems to me that it did and he sent us the data and we looked at the metadata
that he was the person who took that um video. It doesn't make sense to me. It literally makes no
sense to me that they would obiscate these details when they're speaking uh to the public. So yeah,
like I said, we are exploring every lead here and I just found that to be quite stunning. I don't
know what to make of all of this. I guess what we make every single episode is the fact that they're
just lying to us about everything. About literally everything. Anyways, you guys, I I want to get
to some of the responses and uh answers that were given by Andrew Kovette, who is the PR agent for
Turning Point USA. He sat down with um Alex Clark, and addressed some some of the things that are
have been going viral, particularly as it claim as it pertains to taking down the footage in
the minutes following um the shooting, having somebody on their team take down that footage.
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elevate your downtime with Cozyear. All right. So, Andrew Kovette, obviously, he's been a topic
of discussion. He did the Charlie's show with him and so he sat next to Charlie throughout all
of that. They were very close. He's also the PR agent for Turning Point USA. And he's also the one
that issued the statement therefore about what is now being uh termed the other magic bullet and ma
magic bullet being the first one, JFK. It kind of seems like when the government might be involved,
you know, bullets tend to have magical properties. Anyways, I've said yesterday his job is pretty
tough and it's it's made even tougher by the fact that he if he's told to say something,
he has to say it. That's just how it works in PR. And I'm sure there are lawyers involved as
well. He went on to the Alex Clark podcast. Now, it was kind of build I think people were
expecting, but actually Alex Clark never did say that. Uh that Erica Kirk was going to be the one
to answer questions pertaining to Charlie and to uh clear up some rumors about his personal
life. Uh she teased that, you know, that you were going to get unfiltered answers to burning
questions like quote, "Was Charlie converting to Catholicism?" Again, I have no idea who said he
was converting to Catholicism. I feel like it's like intentionally misrepresenting what was said.
Also, she was going to answer, "Did he take $150 million from Israel?" Again, not something that
we said on this show. And again, like I told you, they're going to address the SD cards. Now, I
was very clear and I am still kind of shocked by the reaction from the evangelical community. It
was totally just it didn't make any sense to me. A because uh Erica's a cradle Catholic. I said
Charlie was attending the mass because he was. I said Charlie was playing praying the rosary
because he was. And I said that as a Catholic, of course, I was egging him to take the next
step. Who wouldn't? Of course, you want if you whatever your faith is, if you're evangelical
and someone's thinking about converting, uh, you're going to want to egg them on. That
that totally makes sense. And it wasn't said in an evil capacity. I said the joke that I said
to Charlie, take the next step. You're too smart to be a Protestant. That's a descriptor of our
relationship. We were like, brother and sister. It's said in humor and in justest. Hey guys, I
was Protestant like five minutes ago. And so I felt like people were looking for reasons to be
offended and wanted somebody to come out and slap that down and say no, he wasn't attending the mass
and, you know, kind of caging this like it was a war uh for Charlie. It's like no, I he never took
the first step in converting. But I think going to the mass and praying the rosary obviously
it's going to get Catholics excited. Anyways, um let's start with that. Andrew's response to the
Catholic question. Take a listen. Was he becoming Catholic? No. But he really loved Catholic mass.
He loved the ritual of it. Uh he loved the beauty of old Catholic churches and the stained glass.
And him and Erica would go sometimes. Yeah. Well, Erica's a cradle Catholic. Uh but she ended up
kind of like me. I grew up Catholic and first communion and went to Catholic high school, but
then I ended up becoming a Christian in college. through a Protestant church, through a
non-denominational kind of more Catholics are Christian. This is actually Presbyterian and
then it was kind of non non non-denominational and and I think Erica kind of follows that same
path. She and I share that. Also, by the way, I I just want to draw attention to she's posted
a photo of her and Charlie and the kids in mass before and somebody in the comment section said,
"Oh, are you guys converting?" And she said, "No, we just like attending sometimes." So, she herself
had said no. Yeah. I think Charlie, one of one of the things Charlie really hated worshiping in
like a a gym, you know, or some some sort of kind of blank space that that you just turn into
church. I don't there's no problem. He didn't have a problem with the the act of that. He just
didn't prefer it. And he loved again the ritual, the ancient, you know, feel of a Catholic mass
and the fact that everybody around the world that was worshiping as a is Catholic. He loved he
loved that. So he had some really big theological hang-ups with that. You can go check the videos
out him debating with uh Michael Nolles, you know, in good fun. I mean, they were dear friends, but
they loved kind of debating the whole Protestant versus Catholic thing. So I didn't lie about
anything like and yeah, he was attending mass. And so usually if you are ritualistically attending
mass, meaning he liked the ritual of I'm not sure what that means. like I don't I don't understand
what we're doing. It's it just feels weird. And to say he converted to Christian, Catholics are
Christian. So, uh you know, he said like I think Andrew said, "I converted to Christianity. I went
from being a cradle Catholic." And yeah, there is no question that Erica and Charlie were attending
the mass and that's what I said. And I said that he was praying the rosary. And there's no
dispute there. I never said he started converting to Catholicism. I said that the Catholics were
kind of thinking, you know, take the next step, Charlie, take the next step. And I don't think it
was just architectural for him, far be it for me, uh, to speak on behalf of whether he was just
attending because he liked the architecture. I think it was a little deeper than that. And I
agree that he did have some hang-ups, but that's kind of when you make that thing of like he didn't
really like having church in a gym. That's a step, right? So for me that was a step where I was
going okay like I I I want something that feels a little bit deeper. It's a journey. Nobody was
trying to start a Catholic versus Protestant war. I just shared something about you know my
final conversations with him and a lot of the conversations were about faith uh towards the end.
Yeah, that's it. Not a big deal. Anyways, then they get to the second portion of the something
that I didn't say. Nobody said the number 150 million or I didn't say the number. Tucker didn't.
I don't know where the 150 million number came from. If I'm being honest, I said 150 million was
what BB spent on Operation Mocking Pastor. Now, the way they're going to answer this question
about whether or not Charlie was offered money, Israeli money, is interesting. Take a listen.
Was Charlie offered $150 million from Israel? As far as I know, no. I had never heard anything like
that. Everyone I've asked has said the same thing. Oh, and and by the way, just for what it's worth,
it doesn't matter the amount that would have been coming down. We would have said no because there's
evidence that that is true. Turning point does not Charlie would not accept foreign money. Exactly.
We only took American money. There was money sent to us like practically in multiple instances
where they're trying to cram it down our our bank account and we said no. We canceled like money
wires and things. No foreign money and also no handouts from the government during the pandemic.
He refused to do mass layoffs that everybody else in the country was doing. Said no to the to the um
whatever that check was. What was that that they were handing out? Stimulus check. Yeah. The PPE
loans, right? I always get PPP and PPE mixed up, but Yeah. Yeah. But it was a big It was a good
amount of money that at the time we could have used. Yeah. He put out a company statement saying,
you know, this was tempting for sure, but we're going to say no. I mean, he was very principled in
that way. He was extremely principled, especially on foreign money. I have in I remember moments
we'd be at like an event, you know, and some foreign people would come up and like demand a
meeting or try and get a meeting with Charlie and Charlie would look at me and go deal with them.
Get rid of them like just I don't want to talk to them. Okay. So there is this thing called FAR and
every country if they're going to influence people uh if you're Qatar if you're Iran and you want
to lobby on behalf of those countries you you have to be registered under FAR so we know where
that money is going into if you have literally stands for foreign agents registering right if you
have foreign agents in America that are working on your behalf uh we would be able to see that but
there's this magic carve out for Israel right so when you say like was he going to take Israeli
money? It's kind of a working around it, right? Uh do I think that in the Turning Point accounts it
would have said BBNet and Yahoo wrote, you know, wants this money to go to Probably not. Do I know
for a fact that there are foreign agents working on behalf of Israel that gave money to turning
point? Yes, they do. Uh the question is whether it's Bill Aman, whether it's Bob Schman, whether
it's a ton of the donors who write big checks and are pressuring him to say stuff was a large sum
of money offered to Charlie Kirk to take Turning Point to the next level. Not that it wasn't a
very high level to the next level in or with the guarantee that he would represent their current
perspectives and the things that were going on. And did Charlie Kirk refuse that? I maintain what
I said that that happened and Charlie turned the money down. Uh I hope that makes sense. I do want
to add on to that that I do have concerns and uh maybe concerns is not the right word. I have
rather hopes that Erica, who is taking on this huge step of being the chairman and the CEO, that
she has someone in her corner that she really trusts. And what I mean is that I am not equipped
to be the CEO of my little tiny company. Okay? And I've realized that I it how much it involves
or to understand accounting to understand how people can create LLC's a spin-off of LLC's how
money can be hidden and pushed into different directions and into vehicles that you don't
understand takes a person that is sort of trained uh to have that business mind. I am grateful that
my husband has that business mind. I just don't actually even care to have that business mind
more than anything else. that I couldn't learn it, but I know with a company at that size,
Erica is going to really need to have someone uh who is very much in her corner. I I I it breaks
my heart that she doesn't have Charlie. Charlie would be exactly the kind of person like it's
the it's the beauty of a partnership and they had a beautiful partnership. But I worry I really
do worry. Uh and I just wanted to express that openly to you guys. I'm I'm concerned about
that for some reason. And I guess the best thing to do is just ask everybody to pray for
Erica. you know, pray that she has the clarity uh to understand and have people around her who
are being honest with her because I would not want to be in her position right now. I would not want
to be in her position because where there is money it and money naturally breeds snakes in the garden
and it's very difficult to keep the grass cut low uh when when the yard is that expansive
so to speak. Anyways, they then address um the SD cards and here is what Andrew had to
say about the uh Turning Point affiliate employee, somebody adjacent to Turning Point who removed the
SD cards from the camera that was behind Charlie in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. Take
a listen. Why did our team start taking down cameras immediately? Was it just in shock and
just thinking like this is what we do and just not thinking it's a crime scene? I think massive
shock. I think there's been some stories about the SD cards or whatever that was because even
in the shock there was an understanding that the proximity of those cameras uh were a going to be
evidence and they wanted to make sure they didn't get stolen out of the cameras, but b they didn't
want anybody to run in. I mean, there was those videos of that the kid running and grabbing the
hats. Hats. Yeah. So there was an understanding. I mean I talked to the team on that and they said
because we know people can be evil. Yeah. And they grabbed the SD card so that nobody could get
that. So that law enforcement could get it. Did I answer your MA question sufficiently? Yeah. Okay.
He loved Maha. Well, he loved Maha moms, too. I think I would have probably pushed back and
asked. Okay. Okay. But now that you know the feds have kind of been fumbling the ball just a little
bit, a lot of it, maybe just release everything and let let the saloons get on it and solve this
thing. And that's kind of what I want. I want them to be more passionate about getting to the bottom
of things a little bit. Am I maybe being selfish by thinking that if I was close to him as Andrew
Kulvette every day on the show, I would be like more fired up about all the things that are going
wrong. And again, I appreciate that they also have to then turn this next page. And they still have
donors. They still have the same donors that were making financial threats against Charlie and
blackmailing him. In his own words, by the way, he said that he felt morally blackmailed by them
if he did if he had disagreements and they were trying to control who he could speak to and who he
could be friends with. And actually, by the way, we have um a clip of Alex and Andrew speaking
about that moral blackmail. Take a listen. There's this great clip when we were
in Myrtle Beach and he got asked if, you know, from somebody in the audience if he was
going to, you know, debate Candace or, you know, disavow Tucker. And Tucker and Charlie's answer I
thought was amazing. I remember he came off stage, he was like, "Do you like that one?" And I was
like, he would always ask that for reassurance. Yeah. He always he always loved like, "Did you
see that? Were you listen? Yeah. Do I look good? Was that a good clip? Do you think that'll go
viral?" Yeah. And I remember saying like, "Yeah, I thought it was amazing. It was morally
so crystal clear." And he basically said, "I don't appreciate being morally blackmailed."
And you know, and every time people would say that to him, he would dig his heels in. It's like,
well, maybe Tucker's going to give two speeches now at Empest. And that is the truth. We told you
he said the same thing about when he was in the Hamptons that he was feeling like he was morally
blackmailed. He was telling people that he wanted he was digging his heels in further and saying,
"I'm going to bring Candace back. You know, you guys kind of bullied this ending." And by the way,
that clip he's speaking about, I actually just saw it. It's from August, so month before he lost his
life. And here is Charlie in his own words about how he was feeling. How is your relationship with
Candace Owens? No. She's a great friend. You know, look, I don't agree with everything Candace says,
but you know what I don't do? I don't stop being friends with people just because people morally
blackmail me. I don't do that and you shouldn't either. I look I have different views on on things
as Candace. I have different views on Israel than Candace. I have different views on a lot of
geopolitics. But honestly, I traveled the country with Candace. I went to her wedding. I saw her
meet her husband. I went to Israel with Candace, which is a fun story I'll tell you at some point.
Um, but what I don't like is when people demand you must stop being friends with somebody. Whoa,
whoa, whoa. That's a left-wing tactic. Don't do that. I'm not saying you do that, but other people
do that. We should never resort to that. In fact, if you believe what with I believe, shouldn't
you want me to be friends with people that don't agree with us? Shouldn't you want
me to also be a tool of influence? And so, I I think the world of Candace, she's a great
mother. She certainly has very, very fun opinions at times. And she's a great talent. She says a
lot of stuff that sometimes I don't agree with, but that's what makes the rel our relationship
and our friendship interesting. My advice to all of you, you might not like somebody, but never
tell somebody like me to stop being friends with somebody on an interpersonal level just because
of disagreement. It's bad. It's what the left does and we should rise above as conservatives.
Thank you so much. Charlie was a very loyal friend and I'm going to continue to be a loyal friend
to Charlie. I just I can't stand it. I cannot stand to see the lies that are being told. Uh the
people that are intentionally taking things that I say out of context, people that were trying to
pretend that Charlie and I weren't friends. It is maddening, but I know that God never gives any
person more than they can handle. And I can handle it and I am handling it. And I want to get to the
bottom of what was going on because I know he was under a tremendous amount of pressure. And like
I said, I am hopeful that Erica will speak out more thoroughly. I know she's got so much to worry
about right now. I mean, chairman, CEO, and still has to be a mother. Pray for her. Just pray for
her because it's it is a huge burden to have and um she'll get through it. she will get through it
because she has faith in the Lord. I also want to get to this story because I want to tell you guys
we are winning in a very big way a lot. I think the waking up the awakening that's happening right
now, left and right coming together and I do want to shout out my lefties here because I felt like
I was one of the only people on the right who was antivaxed before it was cool. Like I didn't none
of my kids were vaccinated and people thought it was wacky. But before I got there, the lefty
moms, left street moms were actually the ones that were like very on it with like what's
in these products. And uh yeah, I that was like a weird place. I didn't kind of fit in in
conservative land being like vocally antiax and took a huge risk in doing our shot in the dark
series that's available on our website. I think it's the most important series for any parent to
watch whether you decide to do vaccines or not do vaccines. Please be educated. Get educated about
each vaccine. You will be shocked when you learn the history of them, how they came together. Maybe
not so shocked postcoid, but you will, I think, be very shocked at how much they lie and delude.
And we have all of this fear-based reaction to in large part accepting what is poison. And so
Trump coming out and making a statement and calling this stuff poison and putting out a list
of things that don't need to happen, I'm like, "Wow, is he watching a shot in the dark? Has
Trump signed up to candace.com? Is he watching? Is he wearing um a CIA hat and watching? I think
so. And here's a statement that Trump made. We want no mercury in the vaccine. We want no
aluminum in the vaccine. The MMR I think should be taken separately. This is based on what I feel the
uh mumps measles and and all the three should be taken separately and it seems to be that when you
mix them there could be a problem to ads after so there's no downside in taking them separately in
fact they think it's better so let it be separate the chickenpox is already separate because when
that got mixed in I guess they made it four for a while it really was bad. So they make chickenpox
individually. They're okay. When you mix them, something maybe happens. So there's no downside
in doing it. It's not like, oh, if you do it, bad things. No, it's only good side and it may
not have that much of an impact, but it may have a big impact. So let those be taken separately. And
then hepatitis B is sexually transmitted. There's no reason to give a baby that's almost just born
hepatitis B. So I would say wait till the baby is 12 years old and formed and take hepatitis B. And
I think if you do those things it's going to be a whole different it's going to be a revolution in a
positive sense in the country. I want to say this, the reason the government is coming out and saying
this, if you have not been following the news, parents are pulling their kids out of school. I I
really, if you want to talk about a true turning point, and I said this a few episodes ago, I hope
that what happens is that the world wakes up to the fact that the evil is taking place in the in
the classroom. Uh the reason why they are coming out and admitting some of these things is because
they're fearful that they're going to lose. And I'm talking about the evildoers in this world.
The psychopaths that have been poisoning us for generations. The people that have made America
fat. The people that are putting Monsanto. They hate you. They hate me. For them, this is a
religion. Okay? And they wish to poison our offspring. Their bodies and their minds. I want
to be very clear. Both the bodies and the minds of your children are what they want. That is the one
resource that they wish to own. It is it is our offspring. Uh they poison our minds. That's why
they want you to either abort your offspring if you have your offspring. They want them to be fat,
addicted to drugs um and uh filled with with with pharmaceuticals and vaccines. That's the reality.
And we have to say that. We have to declare that boldly because now they want our speech because
people are waking up. But what you're seeing Trump say is a reaction to the amount of moms that
are pulling their kids out of the public school system. And I want to be clear, not just public,
private. Okay? We began the process two weeks ago, three weeks ago of taking our kids out and
realizing that we have to be radical because the psychopaths that rule the world are radical. And
if you want to take ownership and actually invest in a better future, we have to be in control of
exactly what sort of an education our children are receiving. Okay? And everything that is wrong in
America and that is wrong in this world is because we gave the government domain over our children.
So, if you want to be a radical, get your kids out of these schools. You can figure it out. That's
what I want to say to you guys. You can figure it out. They make you think you can't. We are in
their matrix. Let's get out of the psychopathic matrix. So, I'm excited because that is really a
um it's a sign of the times. It's it means parents are fighting and we're winning and the government
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comments. What is on your mind? What else should I be looking at? Uh, John Heinchell writes,
"Wow, thank you so much for that donation, John. The question I have is why now from an LGBTQ
person? Charlie has remained consistent there. It just makes no sense. His public views on the
genocide and Netanyahu, however, are the things that changed before his assassination." Yeah, I
never accepted the Fed slop. That's what I call it, just fed slop. The whole message is, like I
said, MAGA. My dad's extra MAGA. That's supposed to make people that are on the left go, "Oh my
gosh." See, it's because of Magad. It's like so ridiculous. And then on the right, you're supposed
to go trans. It's a trans person. We've talked about this and and like I just knew spiritually as
soon as I found out that Charlie got hit that this was bigger than that. I just knew and I maintained
that. And I think now everyone who maybe were going to accept the Fed slop now appreciates that
everything they're telling us makes entirely no sense. And they're lying. like they are lying
about a lot and there's only one reason to lie. It's because you have something to hide. So I say
just be transparent. I don't trust people that don't just release and speak about everything if
they're being deemed suspicious. Like transparency and honesty, it makes everything easier. That's
why, like I said, I have no qualms about anything that I've said on the show because I don't lie.
There's no benefit. What do you get? What's the upside of lying about something? And so, yeah, I
think they are finding out and we have remained uh very committed to getting to the bottom of
this. Jenna V writes, "Thank you for fighting so hard for that precious human being, Charlie Kirk.
He was he was amazing. I mean, I I could say it a thousand times. Um, there truly would not be me
without Charlie. And um I know that I held his head up during tough times. You know, when you are
climbing and fighting through politics, that that early phase and you're unknown, you go through a
lot of really tough times and you're tired." And similarly, uh, he held my head up during a lot of
tough times. And like I said, reading the messages of me. Yeah. whether we were sick, tired, we just
we just always made it work. And he built that company. Charlie built that company. And I I don't
know why, but it just sickens me to hear any lies or misrepresentations. It just makes me so angry.
But I know that that's something that I have to deal with. My choice emotion. I guess that's my
my vice is I'm I always have to pull myself back consciously from wanting vengeance. And I don't
want vengeance right now. I just want Christ. Christ is king because Christ is truth and I want
the truth about the truth about what happened and we're not going to get at that moment. Miriam
writes, "British Muslim here. Love the work you're doing and I so stand by the point that this is
good versus evil, slaves versus the elites. Yes, you are amazing and I keep you and your family in
my prayers. Thank you for praying for us." Truly, the uh the prayers work. They are working and I
needed them a lot last week. I feel better this week. Um, which is one thing. I feel more
focused in this in in many ways. And it, like I said, it arrived to me when something that
I really needed to hear when Erica said that it was quick. That was eating me up inside like not
knowing that answer. Previously, Tempes writes, "They didn't kill Charlie, only his physical form.
Of course, Charlie lives on with the Lord our God in heaven forever and ever more." Yeah, we we
know that and it but it doesn't you just miss you just miss the person, you know, that's
what I haven't accepted yet is that Charlie Kirk is actually gone from this earth. Like
that just makes me really sad. It just makes me really sad. And sometimes the sadness, like
I said, just turns into anger. And I know that that will kind of it'll it will change with
time. I know that you're never a year on, however you feel, a year year on it will be
better. And so I hold on to that. Carl writes, "My wife and I love your show, Gang Gang. Thanks
for always asking questions. You've opened a lot of people's eyes up to the obvious that lying that
is going on around us. That is the point of this. I did an interview earlier with a journalist and
she kind of said, "What do you think? You know, podcasting getting big, what does it signify? It
signifies that we don't believe the establishment anymore and the establishment seems to be growing
more radical and they want to control speech as if that's going to make us believe them more. It's a
nonsense. A terrible idea." Mary Kelly writes, "I love you, Kenneth. You are my Jon of Arc. Prayers
for you and your family. Flame of love rosaries." Thank you so much for that. Chris writes, "Do
we know who paid for the crime scene demolition, the pavers that were so quickly put down? Normally
universities don't have expendable cash. Our rosaries are with you in prayer and mass. Thank
you so much." John 12:23. He ends that with, "We love you." Um, and that says that's from
Michelle. Maybe it's Michelle and Chris. Uh, I don't know. That's another path that we could
pursue. I feel like I thought it was the feds who did that. I could be incorrect. I may a feeling
is not a fact. So, I will explore that. That's a good question. MC writes, "There is a call on the
police scanner after Charlie got shot saying they were looking for someone wearing jeans, a black
shirt, a black mask, and a black vest carrying a long rifle." I heard that. Uh I need to go over
that scanner. And then they took that scanner. when they realized that 3,000 people had suddenly
tuned in, they decided to privatize everything. But that is true, which is why we naturally have
to ask the question, why did the public never hear that description? If you only had one eyewitness
testimony as to what that person was was wearing, and we know that you have clear footage,
obviously have tons of clear footage, why didn't you release it? Was it because we were
going to see somebody in tactical gear that looked foreign or we were going to be able to identify
the person further and realize that it wasn't Tyler Robinson? I maintain that Tyler Robinson
is one piece of this and a lot more people are involved and I don't have to maintain that anymore
by myself because Cash Patel has signified that that is so in his long message that we spoke
about yesterday, his long tweet that we spoke about where he sort of cops to the fact that
nothing they're saying at all makes any sense. Milana writes, "Hi, Candace. I wait for your live
every day and dread the weekends. What curriculum do you recommend if I were to homeschool my kids?"
Okay. So, we are first doing a trial curriculum uh for the first time next week. So, I will let
you know. We're kind of editing it and making it our own using a classical mixed in with Montasauri
approach because of the age of my children. Um, and obviously working in our faith, starting
with a morning prayer and trying to say, "Okay, what what can we teach them?" Because I have found
that my son really loves mass, the portions of mass where he knows what's going on. So, I'm like,
"Well, we need to do more of that." And obviously, we go to Latin mass, which makes it a bit
trickier uh for him, but I'm like, "Well, why not? Can they learn a Latin prayer?" So I I
wanted to get involved because I'm still a young Catholic student in many ways and teach them that
because it would be, you know, also an opportunity for me to learn as if I was a preschooler. So we
are still working on that and I will definitively share all of that information publicly because
I want to inspire moms to take their kids out of schools, all of them. I want you, if you're
listening and you're on the fence and you're like, I I know spiritually I shouldn't be sending
them there. There is a communist underground in the school. Uh what they want your kids to do
is to do drugs. They want to get them addicted to pornography and screens and the effort is to
turn them into slaves. Take your kids out of all the schools. That would be my advice. Uh lastly,
lover of light writes, "Thank you for all that you do. I know this is a serious time, but don't
forget to share some of those funny personal stories like your daughter forgetting her makeup.
Love you, Candace." Yeah, she is. That one's got uh quite the imagination. My daughter, she My
favorite thing that kids do at this age is the filibuster. If you think congressmen are good,
you got to try to get a toddler to sleep and try to leave their room and the things that
they come up with. And recently she told me that her hair hurts. And I said, "Sweetie, I
don't think I don't think that's a thing." And then she just sort of went, "Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Okay, we'll move on from that." Anyways, yeah, it is another thing that always gets you through
really tough times, obviously, is you just be around children. They are they are such a light.
They really are such a light in this world. And um I wan
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