Charlie Kirk a 'Modern-Day Moses': Pastor Unveils Powerful Tribute

[00:00] Pastor Rob McCoy, a lot to chat with you

[00:02] about. You have had a difficult and a

[00:05] wild couple of weeks here with the death

[00:07] of Charlie Kirk. And you delivered a

[00:10] powerful speech um and address at his

[00:13] memorial service on Sunday. I was there.

[00:16] It was amazing. What was it like for you

[00:20] having the weight of so many eyes around

[00:22] the world, not just the nation, watching

[00:25] you make that address?

[00:28] you know, I I I got hundreds of texts

[00:31] from people who were well-meaning, uh,

[00:34] wanting to tell me how to do it and what

[00:37] to say and, you know, they have a vision

[00:39] from God or a word or and after a while,

[00:41] I just had to turn it all off. Um, and

[00:44] every time I went to go write something

[00:45] down, it was a total blank. And I I got

[00:48] to uh Matthew 10 18 to20. Folks can lead

[00:52] read it at their leisure. Matthew 10:18

[00:54] to20. and and a total peace came over me

[00:57] unlike anything and this is this is

[01:00] honest before the Lord unlike anything

[01:02] I've ever experienced before. Um it at

[01:05] 61 years on this earth a total peace

[01:07] came up came on me. The only thing I

[01:09] wrote down before I stepped up was the

[01:12] quote from uh the letter Lincoln wrote

[01:15] to Mrs. Bixby and I even got the quote

[01:17] wrong. The only thing I wrote down I got

[01:19] wrong. Uh everything else it it was just

[01:21] in the moment and I had a total peace

[01:23] because I I knew I wasn't there by my

[01:27] own merit. Uh the pastors that Charlie

[01:29] ran with in this world those are the

[01:32] kind of guys you say, "Man, Lord, I wish

[01:33] you'd made two of them and none of me.

[01:35] They're just remarkable men and and I I

[01:38] didn't ask to be put in that position."

[01:40] Um and and yet there I was. and and I I

[01:44] I certainly it wasn't something that I'm

[01:47] skilled at that they put me there with

[01:49] um and but I had a piece about it and

[01:51] and to honor my friend and to be a part

[01:53] of it. It was one of the it probably one

[01:56] of the most amazing days of my life.

[02:00] >> Yeah. I'll tell you I've covered a lot

[02:02] of events. I've been to a lot of events

[02:03] like you have. I have never been to

[02:06] anything like that before. the feeling,

[02:08] the experience, the fact that I mean

[02:11] obviously honoring Charlie's life, but

[02:13] then looking and seeing the most

[02:15] powerful people in the entire world, and

[02:16] you said this in your address, too, that

[02:18] they were about to get up. You you

[02:19] preceded them. They were about to get up

[02:20] and speak. You don't see that sort of

[02:22] thing happen. What do you think God is

[02:25] doing in the midst of this horrific

[02:27] event that has shocked so many? It feels

[02:29] like God is moving, does it not?

[02:31] >> It He is absolutely. This is a revival.

[02:35] an awakening and a revival. I I I've

[02:38] been telling pastors across the country,

[02:40] especially in the group of churches I

[02:42] belong to, which are called Calvary

[02:43] Chapels, and there's I don't know about

[02:45] 1,800 of them worldwide, and and they

[02:48] were they were they were birthed out of

[02:50] the what they call the Jesus movement.

[02:51] And and I wasn't around or even a

[02:54] Christian when all that occurred. I'm

[02:55] kind of a second generation Calvary

[02:57] Chapel pastor. Well, they missed this

[02:59] one. Most of the older guys just didn't

[03:01] see it coming. They didn't know how to

[03:03] process Charlie. And a lot of them

[03:05] wouldn't have him come and speak at

[03:06] their church. And they a lot and some of

[03:08] them didn't do anything the Sunday he

[03:09] was martyed. And and I'm thinking to

[03:11] myself, you guys saw this. You saw God

[03:13] move and now you're missing another

[03:15] great move of God. Um and because I

[03:18] think Charlie's the most misunderstood

[03:19] missionary in Christendom. His his

[03:22] Turning Point is a secular 501c3. So

[03:26] it's it's not an a Christian

[03:29] organization.

[03:30] And there are folks that are part of

[03:32] turning point that are agnostic, maybe

[03:33] atheist. They don't they don't hold to

[03:35] the but like Charlie would always say,

[03:37] if we can get folks rowing in the

[03:39] streams of liberty, they're going to

[03:40] come to its source, which is the Lord.

[03:42] And Charlie never hid his Christian

[03:45] faith. And so what appealed to so many

[03:48] young people is Charlie was willing to

[03:50] go where the church wasn't into the into

[03:53] the public square to contend for their

[03:55] future, which the church had abdicated

[03:57] their responsibility for a long time

[03:59] ago. They just said, "Oh, we don't do

[04:00] politics. Politics is dirty." And and I

[04:02] I covered that in the message. But but

[04:06] with Charlie, he saw politics as an

[04:08] on-ramp to a relationship with God. And

[04:11] and now now the churches are seeing

[04:14] this. Some of them still don't. I mean,

[04:16] they're going to have young people

[04:19] coming to their church who've been moved

[04:21] by Charlie's life and and these pastors

[04:24] aren't saying anything like like Ferdick

[04:25] out out in North Carolina. I'm I'm blown

[04:28] away that they said nothing about a a

[04:30] modern-day martyr just silent. It It

[04:34] doesn't make any sense to me.

[04:36] >> You know, it's Yeah, there's so many

[04:38] things that you just said that I think

[04:40] are so important to unpack. But one

[04:42] thing in thinking about you and your

[04:43] experience and your friendship with

[04:45] Charlie, you know, I was on a plane

[04:46] coming back from Ireland when I heard

[04:48] the news. I was on the internet and my

[04:50] phone started blowing up and it was the

[04:52] most horrifying news, right? And I and I

[04:54] think of you. I mean, when you first

[04:56] heard what had happened, here you are a

[04:59] pastor who has spent a long time helping

[05:02] people behind the pulpit, counseling

[05:04] people, and when you're, and I'm sure

[05:05] you've had other moments in life that

[05:06] are that are difficult, obviously, but

[05:09] how did you handle this? What was the

[05:11] initial thing that went through your

[05:11] heart and your mind when you found out?

[05:15] So, so prior um to meeting Charlie,

[05:19] actually a little bit, yeah, prior to

[05:21] meeting Charlie, I I had been the mayor

[05:23] of the city of Thousand Oaks, uh and and

[05:26] I was mayor prom and then eight days

[05:27] later I'd be mayor when we had the most

[05:30] horrific event in our our city's 50-y

[05:32] year history. We had a a shooter go into

[05:35] a country western uh hall and dance hall

[05:38] and killed uh 12 of our young people.

[05:40] Two of them were from my church. uh and

[05:43] wounded a slew of others and then the

[05:45] entire city of Thousand Doss was

[05:47] encircled by fires and and I'd been a

[05:49] sheriff's chaplain at the time. Now I'm

[05:51] the mayor of the city. I'm I was with

[05:52] every one of the family members when

[05:54] they were notified that their their

[05:56] child was one of the the victims. So I'

[05:58] I'd been through something like this. Uh

[06:01] but the the disconnect with the

[06:03] exception of officer Helis who had been

[06:05] killed. He was a friend. The disconnect

[06:07] was it it wasn't somebody as close to me

[06:10] as it was Charlie. And so the call came

[06:12] in immediately after the shooting from

[06:14] my son who was right near Charlie. He

[06:16] said, "Dad, please call pastors and

[06:18] pray. Charlie's been shot in the neck."

[06:20] And and he had his he had his capacity

[06:24] about him. He he wasn't panicking. He

[06:26] was, you know, orchestrating things. And

[06:29] um I said, "Okay, son. I will." And and

[06:31] I from there on we just we turned two.

[06:34] And it wouldn't be until about uh 48

[06:38] hours later at 3:00 in the morning. Um I

[06:41] woke up, we were in Salt Lake after we

[06:43] had gone to be with with Erica and and

[06:46] uh to be there with the staff. I woke up

[06:49] and I I just started sobbing for about

[06:52] I'd say about an hour and a half just,

[06:54] you know, just a messy cry. My wife woke

[06:57] up, saw me crying and

[07:00] and then after that it was just let's

[07:01] get back to it. We got people to care

[07:03] for. Um.

[07:04] >> Yeah,

[07:05] >> it was rough.

[07:06] >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this this has been a

[07:09] very rough thing for people. I mean,

[07:10] here you are so close with Charlie,

[07:12] right? So, you have that personal

[07:13] relationship. What has been really

[07:15] interesting is people who didn't know

[07:17] him, who feel like they did and who are

[07:19] mourning and feeling what you were even

[07:21] feeling to a degree. Obviously, a little

[07:23] deeper since you knew him, a lot deeper.

[07:24] But I've talked to so many people. I

[07:26] didn't know him, but this really hit me.

[07:29] What do you think it was about Charlie

[07:31] and his mission and who he was that has

[07:33] elicited that response in so many

[07:34] people?

[07:37] >> If you really take time to dig in and

[07:39] first of all, let's say you didn't know

[07:40] a lot about him or you had a

[07:41] preconceived idea and you believed the,

[07:44] you know, the the the clips that people

[07:47] have, you know, put together to try to

[07:50] justify their opinion of Charlie, which

[07:52] in context, when you listen to the whole

[07:54] clip, there is no position for what they

[07:57] accuse him of.

[07:59] So, so people were intrigued. I mean,

[08:01] somebody shot him and then all a sudden

[08:04] clips start coming up. More clips of

[08:05] Charlie have been seen than ever before

[08:07] in his entire lifetime. And all a sudden

[08:09] they start to realize this this guy was

[08:10] really sweet and and there's something

[08:12] special about him. He's got that that

[08:14] Cheshire kind of impish grin, that smile

[08:17] that he has. um he he would interact and

[08:19] then you start to realize he was

[08:21] unbelievably civil and and now they're

[08:24] getting to see a man that they may have

[08:26] had a preconceived idea of or didn't

[08:27] really have an opinion, but now they're

[08:29] moved by it and they're like, why did

[08:31] why did they kill him? For others that

[08:33] were really involved and listen to him

[08:35] on a daily basis, he was the most

[08:38] logical voice. And the thing they loved

[08:40] about him is he insisted on telling the

[08:42] truth. and he wouldn't he wouldn't bring

[08:44] anything on his podcast or his radio

[08:46] show that hadn't been confirmed and and

[08:50] you could rely on that and people love

[08:52] that about Charlie. He wouldn't he

[08:53] wouldn't go out into the nether sphere.

[08:54] He wouldn't attack people just for the

[08:56] sake of ad homonym. Uh he wasn't looking

[08:58] for clickbait. He he he was somebody who

[09:01] was was educating us every day we

[09:04] listened. Uh it wasn't a cult or

[09:06] anything along those lines which you

[09:07] kind of see with some of the clickbait

[09:08] models. Um and and people came to

[09:11] appreciate that. And then in addition

[09:14] all the work he's doing go you know

[09:15] traversing the country every one of

[09:18] these folks at the university had a

[09:19] connection with him. He he was an

[09:21] introvert by nature. So when he go out

[09:23] into a crowd he's pouring himself out

[09:25] and people could tell that and and he

[09:28] was personable and he was always about

[09:30] relationships with Charlie. And then

[09:32] that that just has a ripple effect. And

[09:35] so all a sudden every one of these

[09:36] things is connected and everyone is

[09:38] moved. And and I could go on and on

[09:40] about that. Um even at the highest

[09:43] levels of government, every one of those

[09:45] those cabinet members that spoke, they

[09:48] had had a personal connection with

[09:50] Charlie in a spiritual way where he had

[09:52] he had brought the topic up with every

[09:54] one of them. I guarantee I have stories,

[09:56] but some I can share and some I can't.

[09:59] Charlie was the most misunderstood

[10:01] missionary

[10:03] >> in Christendom.

[10:05] Well, and and I think people are getting

[10:06] more clarity now, right? And and

[10:08] they're, as you said, they're

[10:09] discovering the videos. One of the

[10:11] things I I will admit to, you know, I

[10:13] connected with him in 2018 and, you

[10:16] know, over the years here or there. Um,

[10:18] but it wasn't until getting involved

[10:19] with TPUSA Faith over the last year that

[10:22] I really started to understand what was

[10:24] motivating him. Right? The assumption I

[10:26] think that many had was it was the

[10:28] politics that motivated him. And I've

[10:30] said this a lot this week. That was

[10:31] really my operating assumption. and I

[10:33] had him on a podcast in 2019 and I

[10:35] thought, well, this is who he is. It's

[10:36] awesome. Like, I'm all for it, you know,

[10:38] but it's it's political and it was an

[10:40] inversion of that. It was the faith that

[10:41] was driving him as you were saying. And

[10:43] so, in coming to understand that, I

[10:45] think people are seeing this clarity now

[10:46] on it. And you mentioned, you know, him

[10:48] going around traversing the country. He

[10:50] also was going around the world. He was

[10:52] in South Korea recently um right before

[10:55] his death. And that is really

[10:58] fascinating. Can you talk a little bit

[10:59] about what it was that brought him out

[11:00] to South Korea?

[11:02] Yeah. So

[11:05] Charlie loved America. Um now he had

[11:08] traveled to Israel. Um and and uh but

[11:12] yet he he wanted to rem remain in the

[11:14] US. He did go over to England because

[11:16] they kept saying he was too afraid to

[11:18] come over to debate. He wasn't afraid to

[11:20] go debate at you know Cambridge and

[11:21] Oxford. He just didn't want to go to

[11:22] London stand. I mean who wants to go to

[11:24] London nowadays? And of course when he

[11:26] went over there you know England's

[11:28] brightest. He he just mopped the floor

[11:30] with those petulent brats. It was just

[11:31] unbelievable how they just got

[11:33] eviscerated by his his brilliance and

[11:36] and they couldn't have been more rude

[11:38] and yet he he just he nailed it. So

[11:42] I'm setting the tone that it's just not

[11:44] something he was going to do. and and

[11:46] all of a sudden um I had introduced him

[11:49] cuz I'd been going for this would have

[11:50] been my third year uh to Korea for

[11:54] there's a young lady her name's Mina Kim

[11:57] um and and you know it's a patriarchal

[11:59] society and here's you you got this this

[12:01] this woman this young woman she's got a

[12:04] a a father who's a quadriplegic and and

[12:06] she's an only child with a mom and dad

[12:08] and she's caring for him. She had built

[12:10] an enormous YouTube following because in

[12:13] South Korea they only get uh you know

[12:15] traditional media legacy media and it's

[12:18] completely biased very left-leaning and

[12:22] and they they censor anything right. So

[12:25] she developed a YouTube channel where

[12:27] she would take conservative commentators

[12:29] like Charlie and she translate them into

[12:32] Korean and she built this enormous

[12:34] following. And so she started she came

[12:38] over on her own dime and participated in

[12:40] in turning point events and then one day

[12:43] she shows up at my church and and you

[12:45] know I don't have a big church at um but

[12:49] she shows up and and she said you know

[12:52] I've been translating you into Korean.

[12:54] You have a kind of a large following in

[12:55] Korea and I was wondering if you've ever

[12:56] want to go to Korea. And what I wanted

[12:59] to say was no I have no interest. What

[13:01] came out was yeah sure.

[13:04] And because I'm the same way. I mean,

[13:05] it's a long trip, 14 hours, you know,

[13:08] and and so she she she

[13:11] pushed me on that commitment and I went

[13:13] over and it was remarkable what she had

[13:15] done. She had created the equivalent of

[13:17] Turning Point Korea uh Turning Point USA

[13:20] in Korea. It's called Buildup Korea. And

[13:22] she had thousands of young kids coming

[13:24] out. She had churches supporting and the

[13:27] the largest church in the world is Full

[13:29] Gospel Church in Seoul. She's she's

[13:32] building this thing. Second year is even

[13:34] bigger. And I'm telling Charlie, you got

[13:36] to see this thing. And my son connected

[13:38] with Mina and and she's she didn't want

[13:40] anything from Turning Point. She just

[13:42] wanted to be like Turning Point. And

[13:44] Charlie was moved by the clips he saw

[13:46] and the work that was happening. And so

[13:49] he said, "You know what? I I'll go out

[13:50] there." And I go, "Are you sure,

[13:52] Charlie?" He goes, "Yeah." And and sure

[13:54] enough, he did. We get out there and

[13:56] it's a short deal and he's going to he's

[13:58] going to and then it worked out that he

[13:59] was able to drop over to Japan and speak

[14:00] to the conservative party there and he

[14:03] gets to Korea and I had told him about

[14:06] the pastor in Busousan which is in the

[14:08] southern part of Korea and South Korea

[14:10] who has the largest church in Busousan

[14:12] and he's the only church that stayed

[14:14] open during CO and he was ex uh South

[14:17] Korean special forces. He's he's he's a

[14:20] his wife adores him. His three kids are

[14:22] amazing. You can always tell a man by

[14:24] his kids. You can't fake good kids and a

[14:26] and a wife who loves him. And this

[14:28] church is massive. He knows everybody's

[14:30] name. He he he feeds the congregation

[14:32] every Sunday, a three-level dining hall

[14:35] where he get he walks and says hello to

[14:37] the congregants. This this community

[14:39] loves him. And then he starts in March

[14:42] when this leftist party takes over. And

[14:44] I don't know if you've been following

[14:45] Korean politics, but the new president

[14:47] is President Lee. He's booted the other

[14:49] guy and that guy's in jail along with

[14:51] the first lady. It would be the

[14:53] equivalent for Americans to understand.

[14:55] It'd be the equivalent of the previous

[14:56] administration with Joe Biden. Uh and

[14:59] and churches, you know, I I was facing

[15:02] persecution where all kinds of things

[15:04] were happening. And had Joe Biden uh had

[15:07] Camala Harris won and we're and and go

[15:10] two years into that, that's where South

[15:12] Korea is right now. It is it is a

[15:15] vicious attack on churches. They've

[15:17] raided churches. They have now put

[15:19] Pastor Son, the pastor of Sigarero

[15:21] Church in South Korea. They put him in

[15:23] jail.

[15:25] But we were at the event and Mina's in

[15:27] trouble because the the administration's

[15:30] coming after everyone that's Christian.

[15:32] And so all of her corporate sponsors are

[15:35] pulling out because they're targeting

[15:37] them like we did during DEI.

[15:40] And uh and and then Pastor Son is there

[15:44] and he and Charlie hears the story and

[15:45] he hears Mina's story and he's just he's

[15:48] burdened by it. And he says to Pastor S,

[15:51] I I I make no commitment on behalf of my

[15:54] government. I can't do that. But I

[15:56] promise you that if you are put in jail,

[15:58] I will call the Secretary of State and

[16:01] I'll let him know and I'll I'll I'll put

[16:03] it on my program. And sure enough, you

[16:06] know, Charlie goes off to Japan. And I

[16:08] finish a couple more events in Korea. I

[16:10] land on Monday and my phone's blowing up

[16:12] and Pastor Son's in prison. And Charlie

[16:14] says, "Get me all the information." I

[16:16] get him all the the charges. I get him

[16:18] everything he needs. He's going to put

[16:19] it on the program. He has it, I think,

[16:21] slotted for Wednesday. And then Charlie

[16:24] was murdered. And uh and so I'm I'm

[16:27] keeping Charlie's promise. Um I'm I'm

[16:30] pushing it up the food chain. I'm not

[16:31] Charlie Kirk, but I think I've I've

[16:32] reached the secretary. And um and I'm

[16:36] going over to Korea. I leave on

[16:37] Thursday. I've gotten it to many as many

[16:39] news outlets as I can. I'm going to I'm

[16:41] going to preach in in Pastor S's pulpit

[16:44] while he's in prison. I'm going to care

[16:46] for his family. I'm going to awaken the

[16:48] church to quit being cowards. That there

[16:51] if if one of us is imprisoned, all of us

[16:53] are imprisoned. And and the American

[16:55] church, this is the largest Christian

[16:57] population in Asia. And and and no

[17:00] word's getting out anywhere. And if

[17:02] they're going to do 15% tariffs for

[17:05] nations, I think South Korea right now

[17:06] needs 300% tariffs. Is this if this is

[17:08] the way they're going to treat their

[17:10] their citizens, we lost 36,224

[17:14] US military personnel to establish that

[17:16] 38th parallel, not so they can raid

[17:18] churches and abuse pastors.

[17:20] >> So, you're going over, you're going to

[17:21] you're going to continue the work that

[17:22] Charlie had promised. And that is that

[17:24] is incredible. How long will you be

[17:26] there?

[17:26] >> Well, I'm I I I've got obligations,

[17:28] obviously, but I'm going to go over

[17:29] there. I'll be in the pulpit on the

[17:30] 28th. I'll do his two morning services,

[17:32] evening service. I'm going to meet with

[17:34] the head of the the Conservative party.

[17:37] All five million members have been

[17:38] docked. The opposition party's coming

[17:40] after him. I'm just going to tell him,

[17:42] you know, I'm going to share some of the

[17:43] stories that Charlie would say about

[17:44] courage. That look, we're not in charge

[17:46] of the outcome. We're in charge of the

[17:47] obedience. You need to push back. You

[17:50] know, rights are like muscles. You don't

[17:51] exercise them, you lose them. We've been

[17:53] going through this in California with

[17:54] Governor Nusselini. I'm just going to do

[17:56] my best to encourage him and I'm going

[17:58] to get the the pastors to wake up

[18:00] because they bought into what the church

[18:02] in America for a season was doing that

[18:04] that God used Charlie to awaken. They

[18:06] were gnostics. They separated the

[18:09] tainted from the holy and they said, "I

[18:11] don't do politics. Politics is dirty."

[18:13] And and and even Charlie, mine was the

[18:16] first church Charlie ever preached in. I

[18:18] remember asking him, I said, "Will you

[18:19] come and speak in our church?" He goes,

[18:20] "Nah, I I don't I don't speak in

[18:21] church." I go, "Why, Charlie?" He goes,

[18:23] "Churches don't want me. They they say

[18:25] I'm too political. I go, whoa, whoa,

[18:26] whoa, whoa. Politics is the highest form

[18:29] of community. It combines morality with

[18:31] sociability. And Jesus gave us the two

[18:34] great commandments. Love the Lord your

[18:35] God with all your heart, soul, strength,

[18:36] mind. Love your neighbor as yourself. On

[18:38] these two commandments, hang the law in

[18:40] the prophets. And and it says, "Pray for

[18:42] the peace of the city in which you

[18:43] dwell. For instance, peace, you shall

[18:44] have peace." Jeremiah 29. I go, Charlie,

[18:47] we're supposed to be in the public

[18:49] square contending for the sake of our

[18:50] neighbor. We have a constitutional

[18:52] republic designed for the freedom of

[18:54] religion and speech so that we can care

[18:57] for our neighbor. And as John Adams

[18:59] said, only a moral and religious people

[19:00] can govern a republic. We're the

[19:02] sovereign in the nation. We have the

[19:04] responsibility to care for these people.

[19:06] And we've been given a form of

[19:07] government unequaled in the 6,000 years

[19:10] of recorded history. Charlie, this is

[19:12] exactly where you're supposed to be. And

[19:14] the minute he preached, and listen, I've

[19:16] been with him hundreds of times when

[19:18] he's preached.

[19:20] I've and maybe maybe over a thousand if

[19:22] you count in coffees and visits to

[19:25] donors and like I have never seen him

[19:27] nervous except for that Sunday.

[19:30] >> He had such a reverence for the pulpit

[19:31] and the word of God. He didn't want to

[19:33] screw it up. And but I I'm I am I'm not

[19:36] exaggerating. He hit the ball so far out

[19:38] of the park. It's still sailing. And I

[19:40] remember Pastor Jack Hibbs, who I

[19:42] consider to be the Pope of

[19:43] Protestantism. He's just a wonderful

[19:45] man. He called me and said, "Rob, I want

[19:47] you to come and do a Wednesday night."

[19:48] night. And this was the Wednesday after

[19:49] the Sunday that Charlie had spoke and

[19:51] when you preach at Jack Hib's church,

[19:53] you've arrived. And I go, "Jack, you

[19:55] don't want me." He's like, "What do you

[19:56] mean?" I go, "You want this guy, Charlie

[19:58] Kirk?" He said, "Is he I heard he's kind

[20:01] of political." I go, "Listen to last

[20:03] Sunday's message." He did, and Jack

[20:05] brought him on Wednesday, and Jack

[20:06] offered him a platform that launched him

[20:08] into the stratosphere of Christendom

[20:10] that some churches still haven't grasped

[20:12] yet. But

[20:14] >> wow,

[20:14] >> Charlie's amazing.

[20:16] And you know, you're as you're saying

[20:18] all this, I'm just listening and I'm

[20:20] thinking, you know, this is the stuff

[20:21] that people don't realize. They don't

[20:22] know the backstory. They don't know the

[20:23] history, right? And they're and they're

[20:25] discovering things about Charlie now.

[20:27] And as you look at where we are now,

[20:30] obviously it's it's sort of a new world

[20:32] without Charlie now for the movement,

[20:35] for TPUSA, for his family importantly,

[20:38] for you and his friends.

[20:40] >> When you look at his legacy and you look

[20:43] at what comes next, what do you think? I

[20:45] mean, there's so many questions. I know.

[20:46] But what are you what are you looking

[20:47] ahead to right now?

[20:49] >> Billy, I have I have such hope for the

[20:50] future. I I did a I did a message and it

[20:54] was a download. I did a message um the

[20:57] the the Sunday after Charlie had been

[20:59] murdered

[21:00] and it it was a real clear picture for

[21:03] me, especially for the future of Turning

[21:04] Point. And I think you're going to

[21:06] appreciate this. Um

[21:10] Charlie is a modern-day Moses. And let

[21:12] me explain. The children of Israel were

[21:15] enslaved in Egypt. There are 3 to 5

[21:16] million of them estimated. And they had

[21:19] been told by Abraham, they're God's

[21:21] chosen people. But here they are,

[21:23] they're in slavery. They they've

[21:24] probably forgotten the one true God.

[21:26] They they don't, you know, have a grasp

[21:28] of of a lot of things because they've

[21:30] been enslaved. And all of a sudden, this

[21:32] 80-year-old man shows up who is educated

[21:35] in all the wisdom of the Egyptians. He's

[21:38] handsome in word and deed. He knows how

[21:39] to debate. Um, I mean this this guy has

[21:42] it all together and he approaches

[21:44] Pharaoh and says God says let my people

[21:47] go. Pharaoh like all tyrants says who's

[21:49] God that I should obey him? They've been

[21:51] immersed in a pagan culture. And all of

[21:54] a sudden these 10 plagues which deals

[21:55] with you know handles every one of the

[21:57] gods small G these pagan gods. And then

[22:01] and then the Passover the angel of death

[22:04] of Pak all of a sudden Pharaoh relents

[22:06] and lets them all go. Now bear with me

[22:08] it'll make sense. They they come out of

[22:10] Egypt.

[22:12] They they leave with the wealth of the

[22:14] Egyptians. God drowns the Egyptian army

[22:16] in in the in the waters. There's water

[22:18] every morning, food every morning. You

[22:21] know, everything provided. But here's

[22:23] the kicker. Moses

[22:26] re-educates

[22:27] an entire generation of people who

[22:29] forgot who they were. He says, "Look,

[22:32] your God is the God of the universe. He

[22:36] created the heavens and the earth. He

[22:39] created you. He created marriage. He

[22:41] created and he starts to re-educate

[22:43] them. And then he gives them the moral

[22:45] law. First five commandments,

[22:47] relationship with God. Then with each

[22:48] other, he takes them through marital

[22:50] law, civil law, common law. He places

[22:54] this law in the center of the community

[22:57] where 3 to 5 million people live

[22:58] together for 40 years without a police

[23:00] force or a standing army which is where

[23:02] our founders got their understanding of

[23:05] the republic because they saw Jethro who

[23:07] told Moses appoint godly men over

[23:09] thousands hundreds 50s tents federal

[23:11] state county local the psalmist would

[23:13] say the Lord is our our king our our

[23:15] judge and our lawgiver. So you have

[23:17] executive legislative judicial branch.

[23:19] The number one book they quoted that the

[23:21] founders did was Deuteronomy. And they

[23:23] developed this from the moral law comes

[23:25] civil law, the wise restraints that make

[23:27] men free. And they put it all together.

[23:30] This is this is Charlie re-educating

[23:32] America, telling these young people who

[23:34] had been enslaved in in indoctrination

[23:38] camps of of universities across America.

[23:41] They awakened to the realization that

[23:43] this isn't, you know, a pro-slavery

[23:46] white man's uh thing. this this is the

[23:48] the freest form of government ever

[23:50] designed on the face of the earth that

[23:52] only a moral and religious people can

[23:54] govern it. He awakens them to this thing

[23:56] that protects this the freedom of

[23:57] speech, the freedom of religion and they

[24:00] love him for it

[24:02] and then they kill him and then it takes

[24:05] it this is where I finish Joshua 1. This

[24:07] is what gave me great hope. Joshua 1:es

[24:10] 1-3. Now think about this. For 40 years,

[24:14] they were relying on this man who who

[24:16] who gave them a brand new identity.

[24:18] They'd wake up and they'd see Moses walk

[24:20] and the pillar of fire would travel with

[24:22] him and the pill the cloud would follow

[24:23] with him. This this man was everything

[24:25] like Charlie is to us. And for 30 days

[24:29] after he's died, they're just lost.

[24:34] And then God says, "Moses, my servant is

[24:36] dead." He says this to Joshua. "Moses,

[24:38] my servant, is dead. Now, you've served

[24:40] him and and you've appointed the 12

[24:43] tribes and the 70 elves. You take the

[24:45] ark of the covenant with the priests and

[24:46] you're you're going to cross the Jordan

[24:48] and you're going to take them into the

[24:49] promised land. Charlie got these kids

[24:52] out of slavery. He brought them out. But

[24:55] now this entire movement of young people

[24:57] that have been like Joshua was moved by

[24:59] Moses, they're going to take all of

[25:02] these people into the promised land.

[25:03] Here's where the promised land is. It's

[25:05] not heaven.

[25:06] The promised land is a place where they

[25:09] can, these young people, 18 to 30 year

[25:10] old, they can own property.

[25:13] They can build a home. They can raise a

[25:16] family and have kids, have meaningful

[25:18] employment, but more importantly,

[25:21] they can worship God freely.

[25:24] >> And and and this is this is what the

[25:26] pastors now have to realize. You're the

[25:27] priest. Charlie brought him out of

[25:30] slavery. Now, you guys got to step up

[25:32] and do your job. You have truncated the

[25:34] gospel. You've separated your

[25:36] responsibility in the public square.

[25:38] Charlie reidentified these kids. You

[25:40] were living in a moral society. You

[25:42] watch it become immoral and and you're

[25:44] losing an entire generation. He brought

[25:46] them back in. Now take them back in to

[25:49] the place where they can flourish. Start

[25:51] stepping into the public square. You

[25:54] know, educate them. Disciple them.

[25:55] That's what Charlie did. Disciple them.

[25:57] He wasn't into making converts. He made

[25:59] disciples. That's a long story, but I

[26:01] hope you like it.

[26:02] >> I do like it. And when you get back from

[26:04] South Korea, we want to have you back

[26:06] on. We want to cover that. So, anything

[26:08] we can do to elevate and cover what

[26:09] you're doing there, we want to do that

[26:10] at CBN. And I appreciate all of your

[26:13] words today and looking forward to

[26:14] having you back on again really soon.

[26:16] >> Thanks, Billy. Bless you, brother.