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Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens bring Turning Point's movement to the United Kingdom, facing unprecedented opposition including being deplatformed by universities and having Owens photoshopped as white on protest materials. Speaking in Brighton after contentious stops in London and Nottingham, they address the free speech crisis gripping UK campuses, the breakdown of the nuclear family, toxic feminism, and why conservative ideas are being silenced across Britain. The event marks a pivotal moment as Turning Point UK confronts a level of intolerance that surprises even American conservative activists accustomed to campus hostility.
Unprecedented Opposition in the United Kingdom
Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens faced a level of hostility they had never encountered before when launching Turning Point UK. Speaking in Brighton at a Hilton hotel rather than on a university campus, Kirk expressed shock at the free speech crisis unfolding in Britain. The tour began in London with a stop at the School of Oriental and African Studies, moved to Nottingham, and culminated in Brighton after multiple universities refused to host their events.
The most striking incident occurred when protesters photoshopped Candace Owens as a white woman on materials claiming the university was hosting racists. Owens addressed this directly, stating she was disappointed to inform them she is not white and that they are not hosting racists, just people with different ideas than those typically heard on campus. Kirk noted that if institutions are resorting to photoshopping black people as white to prevent them from speaking, those campuses desperately need to hear different opinions.
The Mission of Turning Point
Kirk founded Turning Point USA at 18 years old from Illinois with no money, no connections, and no idea what he was doing, but with limitless energy and a vision. The organization now operates on 1,400 high school and college campuses across America, employs over a hundred people, and has become the voice for the next generation around core ideas including free enterprise, self-reliance, personal responsibility, limited government, and American exceptionalism.
Turning Point UK, led by CEO George Farmer and featuring influencers like Dominique and Joel, brings these same principles to Britain. Kirk emphasized they are not insulting the UK by celebrating America's greatness, noting that America came from a pretty great place. He argued that Britain can have a resurgence and that the current dwelling in mediocrity and lack of leadership is not fulfilling the country's historical mandate of excellence.
Two Revolutions, Two Worldviews
Kirk outlined the fundamental philosophical divide between the American Revolution and the French Revolution. The American Revolution centered on the individual, protecting individual rights including freedom of thought, speech, self-defense, and freedom from government tyranny. These ideas stemmed from the Scottish Enlightenment, drawing on philosophers like John Locke and Adam Smith who discussed the power of the individual and free markets.
In contrast, the French Revolution produced collectivism and social contract theory, which Kirk argued led to bad ideas. He contended that Europe has unfortunately embraced these French Revolution concepts over the last 30-40 years rather than the principles of the American Revolution. This embrace of collectivism over individualism has resulted in identity politics, socialism, and government overreach that diminishes personal freedom and responsibility.
Candace Owens Journey to Conservative Activism
Owens came from a very impoverished community in America and initially had no interest in politics. She attended university for three years, accumulating about $150,000 in student loan debt before starting her life in New York City. When Donald Trump announced his presidential campaign by coming down the escalator, her entire life changed, though not in the way one might expect.
Her initial reaction was negative. She thought Trump was a joke, a gimmick, a reality TV star without the proper decorum to be leader of the free world. But something sinister started happening in the media. Overnight, they began calling him racist, sexist, misogynist, incestuous, and even a rapist. This struck Owens as particularly odd because the media had loved Trump her entire life. Hip-hop artists referenced him, people dreamed of sipping poolside at Mar-a-Lago, and even Barack Obama had said the American dream was to be like Donald Trump.
The sudden reversal forced Owens to ask herself critical questions. She wondered if racism was being used as a theme to turn black people into single-issue voters, and if misogyny and sexism were being weaponized to do the same with women. She started exploring these concepts on YouTube, considering herself at first only conservative curious rather than a full supporter. One video garnered 26 million views and gave her a platform to speak about her ideas.
Owens had never experienced as much racism and vitriolic hate as when she came out as a black conservative. The hatred came from the left for being a minority who dared to have a different opinion than what they dictated she must have as a woman and as a black person. This realization led her to understand that the education system had taught her conservatives were racist and made her believe the only option for a black woman was to be liberal.
The Black Leadership Summit
Kirk and Owens partnered to host the nation's largest-ever Young Conservative Black Leadership Summit. While it was technically the largest because it was the first, they brought over 400 young black conservatives to the White House wearing MAGA hats and applauding Donald Trump. The event represented a pivotal moment in challenging the narrative that black Americans must support Democrats.
The summit promoted values of letting go of victim narratives and rejecting the oppression Olympics where people compete over who is more oppressed. Owens argued that accepting victim status has actually made black America worse off today than 60 years ago. The answer to lifting communities out of poverty lies in free markets, limited government, and most importantly, personal responsibility. This destroys the victim narrative by acknowledging that people do wrong things and right things, and that life is not easy for anybody.
The Breakdown of the Nuclear Family
Both Kirk and Owens emphasized that the left actively seeks to destroy normal functioning parts of society, with the biggest example being the breakdown of the nuclear family. They noted it has almost become dirty to reference the traditional family structure of mom, dad, brother, and sister, with critics calling it patriarchal.
Owens specifically addressed radicalized feminism, which she believes seeks to destroy the idea of masculinity and make it seem that men are not needed at all. She argued that society needs strong men and that making men feel there is something wrong with masculinity is harmful. No community has suffered more from the breakdown of the nuclear family than black Americans.
The single motherhood rate in the black community was 23% in the 1960s but has exploded to 74% today. So much negative outcome has followed this breakdown. Children without fathers in their homes turn to the streets, to hip-hop culture, to anything that tells them what is right and wrong. Owens credits having her grandfather, a strong masculine figure, as what saved her in life. He taught her personal responsibility, helped her develop a relationship with God, and embodied what it means to be a man through working with his hands on a sharecropping farm from age five.
Feminism and Toxic Masculinity Debate
During the event, Owens engaged in an extended debate with an audience member about feminism and toxic masculinity. The audience member argued that feminism is about choice and that toxic masculinity involves men dominating spaces and interrupting women. Owens countered that toxic masculinity exists inside radicalized feminists who believe they should control society because they march in the streets with hats demanding justice for free and fair elections.
Owens rejected the concept that masculinity is inherently toxic, arguing that masculinity is what saved her life through her grandfather's example. She pointed out that men commit suicide at faster rates than women, men are more likely to be homeless, most prisoners are men, yet women live longer, graduate college at higher rates, earn more master's degrees and doctoral degrees, and control 89% of household spending power. She questioned what metric demonstrates women are suffering under a patriarchy.
When the audience member interrupted Owens during her stage presentation, Owens used it to illustrate her point, asking if that made the woman a toxic feminist by her own definition. She argued that radicalized feminism makes women feel bad about wanting traditional roles as mothers and wives, treating emotional labor in marriage as a burden rather than a choice. Owens stated she aspires to have children and raise them, not to be a CEO without a husband, and that feminism leaves many women miserable and alone when they give up what they naturally want.
The Brett Kavanaugh Example
During the feminism debate, the conversation turned to Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh. The audience member called him awful and accused him of being a rapist. Owens demanded facts and evidence, pointing out that Christine Blasey Ford never filed a police report despite no statute of limitations for rape in Maryland. She noted there was no time, place, or corroborating witnesses, that Ford's story changed eight times, none of her friends confirmed anything, and everything about Ford's life story changed at least six times.
Owens further noted that two women who came forward against Kavanaugh are under criminal conviction for making up their entire stories, having never met him. She characterized it as a political hit job to displace a Supreme Court justice. Owens drew a parallel to minority American history, arguing that believing women absent facts is the direct thing that led to ancestors being lynched when white women would make accusations. She referenced Emmett Till and stated she would never stand behind the radicalized concept of just believing women because they are crying, as this principle caused tremendous harm throughout American history.
Healthcare and Economic Philosophy
When asked about healthcare, Kirk used LASIK eye surgery as his example of how free market healthcare should work. LASIK is not covered by insurance, Medicaid, or Medicare, operating purely in the private market. Over the last ten years, the price has dropped dramatically from $20,000 per eye to $750 per eye, while recovery time decreased from three weeks to 48 hours and medical advancements have been remarkable.
Kirk argued the market works no matter where it is tried, whether in healthcare, food, transportation, housing, technology, or communication. He wants healthcare bought across state lines and a government that does not pick crony favorites among hospitals, drug companies with the right lobbyists, or trial lawyers with proximity to power. He acknowledged the US healthcare system is totally screwed up, being half cronyism and half government-run.
Kirk noted that 90% of the most important drugs used worldwide stem from billions of dollars in research and development in the United States. The problem is getting more people access to high quality care, which he believes is solved through competition. Capitalism does three things: lowers prices, raises quality, and allows more people accessibility. He would like to see the US Postal Service privatized, pointing to FedEx, UPS, and DHL as examples of superior private parcel delivery compared to the inefficient government postal system.
Turning Point UK Panel Members
Joel, speaking from Stoke-on-Trent and studying in Sussex, described growing up watching people complain about roads, schools, and education, saying for years they had no investment and no one was doing anything for them. Yet every election, they voted for the same leaders they blamed for these problems. He thought this was backward, wanting change but voting for people doing the same thing.
He contrasted this with his parents' experience growing up in Africa where things taken for granted like healthcare, food, and education did not exist unless you worked hard. Seeing people in Britain relying on handouts from a party that gave them just enough to survive but not enough to fulfill their potential, while that party called those offering different solutions racist or bigots, led him to realize he was right-wing. He believes the person who knows best how to run their life is the individual, not the government.
Dominique shared that she voted for Jeremy Corbyn in 2016 because she believed Labour was the only political home for her due to her skin color, falling for the stereotype that the Conservative Party is for rich white men. When she became educated and started looking at facts objectively rather than emotionally, she realized Labour was more concerned with Palestine, supporting terrorist organizations, and getting rid of Trident than with what was happening in the country. Labour was in complete disarray over Brexit, preferring to be ruled by EU bureaucrats than giving Parliament power over British laws.
When Dominique became confident about her conservative views, the left became the most frustrated with her. She has been called an Uncle Tom and a token numerous times. She emphasized that freedom is not just about using the same facilities or participating in education equally, but the freedom to think freely. She does not have to be a socialist just because she is black. She believes capitalism will empower minority communities, not government reliance. Minorities need to believe in family, personal responsibility, and that they can control their destiny.
The Abortion Question
An audience member asked about Turning Point UK's stance on abortion, noting it is a real victim group issue regarding unborn children and genocide. Joel responded that it is not something Turning Point UK will address as a campaign group because it is a personal thing in the UK where a compromise has been reached. While abortions happen and would happen in back streets if not government-regulated, there is debate about time limits, but abortion is not an issue the organization will campaign on.
Dominique stated she is not personally against abortion but is against late-term limits and the fact that black women are most likely to have repeat abortions in the UK. However, abortion is a settled topic in the UK and not something they will focus on as much.
Kirk noted that as an organization, Turning Point focuses on free markets, limited government, and personal responsibility. As individuals develop, their viewpoints evolve. He now believes abortion is murder, and the problem beyond murder is that people are being miseducated about it. He argued people would make different decisions if properly taught what abortion is, referencing Dr. Ben Carson's description at CPAC of what happens during abortion.
Owens explained that when she learned about abortion in school, it was presented like deciding whether to wear brown boots or black boots, not as ending a human life. The education system trains women to disassociate from thinking of it as a living human being. Abortion disproportionately affects black women because it is targeted in education systems and black neighborhoods with billboards showing black women smiling about making a choice. The abortion rate would significantly decrease if people actually learned what abortion is. She believes it is an issue for men as well, not just framed as a women's issue, and that more men need to speak about it.
Questions About Sources and Statistics
An audience member questioned Kirk's use of statistics and sources, asking if he makes them easily accessible. The questioner cited Kirk's debate where he said the worst cities in America were run by Democrats, noting this was technically correct but that most cities are Democrat, including the best cities. The questioner suggested Kirk chose to only mention the worst cities were Democrat without providing full context.
Kirk clarified that cities tend to be more urban and lean left, but when Republican mayors are allowed to govern, results are remarkable. When extrapolating to states using laboratory of democracy theory where states are allowed to have juxtaposed policies in contrast, huge differences emerge. The most prosperous, job-creating, entrepreneurial states have Republican governors with low tax, low regulation policies. There is a correlation between the most murderous, dangerous, and hopeless areas being dominated by Democrats, but when Republican policies are instituted, those communities turn around quickly.
The questioner also challenged Kirk's claim about life expectancy in Cuba being 15 years lower than the United States, saying Google's definition drawing on multiple studies showed Cuba was actually a year older. The questioner suggested that throwing so many points in a debate without easily verifiable sources might be unfair, unreasonable, or even manipulative. The transcript ends with this question being posed but not fully answered.
Video Transcript
[Applause] hello everybody I'm so happy to be here and Brighton we've had quite a eventful couple days started in London went up to Nottingham I stopped by so asked the School of Arts no the School of Oriental and African Studies in London it's a little bit liberal I was told I had no idea what I was going into and then we were not Nottingham yesterday so for those I didn't see Candace do you have something to say about this yeah that was weird I would see a lot of we've seen a lot of weird stuff but seeing me photoshopped as a white girl we've got to be up there with the best I don't know so our university is hosting racists and then they realized oh wait she's black so they just photoshopped me as white which is okay I guess more boy I'm sorry disappoint I am NOT white and your university is not hosting racists we're just hosting people that maybe have some different ideas than they're used to hearing I think we've been a little bit startled by the reaction I mean from the beginning from from the very jump when we announced that we wanted to sort of start this overseas movement as we've had so much success with turning-point USA and I didn't think that it was this bad in the UK that we really would have to me in like in conference rooms off-site because people just can't believe that there are conservatives and they especially can't believe that there are minority conservatives and I think that they've definitely proven our point that there might be time for a turning point if you're resorting to photoshopping black people as white to prevent people from hearing them speak you you probably need to hear some different opinions well and if you actually meet our other two panelists Plus Candice I'll be the only white person on the panel tonight so hosting racists not sure how that one works Candice is so correct that I've been stunned to be honest I knew there was a free speech crisis going on in the states we experienced it all the time this is a whole nother level of intolerance and the silencing of ideas that are disagreeable to the monolithic left has now become a tactic for them to continue their political control in this country they are afraid of us to be able to go on a college campus I mean we're in some form of a bunker of a Hilton you know just to me which is great thank you Hilton for not deep platforming us we love you guys actually it's really great thank you for allowing us to speak our ideas freely the University deep platformed us because they're afraid that if Candis and Charlie and Dominique and Joel and turning-point UK are allowed to talk peacefully and deliberately we might actually win hearts and minds over what actually might persuade some people we might actually make some converts instead it's a lot easier to say things that are completely untrue and then photoshopping that's not easy actually it actually takes a bit of time yep hit the black and white filter that's right but they don't want to debate their ideas they don't want to have discussion they don't want to have dialogue right and I think so what this really does is it always underscores a lot of what I do and maybe some of you guys follow me a mistakes maybe you don't but I really wanted to sort of push back against this idea that everything is racist in society I mean there was an article yesterday that said error was racist I don't know if you guys saw it The Washington Post ran an article that said that pollution disproportionately affects black and Hispanic people and white people are breathing cleaner air and I was like wow we're actually we've reached level white people are breathing in better air air is race acai that is amazing to me um but we've seen this narrative increasingly over time like I specially I would say over the last three years or just every single thing that people disagree what they call racist if you didn't have an idea and they disagree with you you're a racist and and it's it's to me it's unbelievably insulting to minorities to call everything racist there's not a better time to live in society as a black person than there is today and I I've rarely I do not America is not a racist country I've rarely even seen racist acts and yet the minorities today are convinced due to the media and the culture and then the politics really today is constantly pushing forth this concept that we live in this ever increasingly racist society so I wanted to challenge that narrative a little bit and what I've discovered is really what we're seeing today which is that the truth is that the people that use the word racist the most tend to be white progressives and they don't really care about black people or minorities what they care about is using those words to go after their political opponents right if they don't like someone just call them racist and then that means that that person should immediately be the platform they really care about what black people think well probably not because if they did they wouldn't be making posters about me they'd come in and actually hear what I have to say and what my concerns are for my community so jump into it about what Turing point is and how I got involved in what we actually believe it yes we actually believe in so from the states I started attorney point USA from Illinois the Midwestern part of America when I was 18 years old I had no money no connections and no idea what I was doing but I have limitless energy and a vision and in America we call that living the American dream where an 18 year old that ended up not going to college took a little risk and worked hard is able to start an organization that's now on 1,400 high school and college campuses across the country employs well over a hundred people and is really the voice for the next generation around these core ideas what are the ideas the ideas of free enterprise of self-reliance of personal responsibility that government does not have to be the answer to all our problems that America is indeed the greatest country ever to exist we don't say that as an insult to anyone here in fact we're not saying this is a bang we came from a pretty great place right we don't mean it as an insult at all actually and this is a beautiful great country and that's why we actually are here today because we think that this country can have a resurgence that the dwelling of mediocrity of the lack of leadership that's happening right now in your country is not fulfilling the history or the mandate of what has made this country so excellent and so great and your and really the argument that's happening right now actually in Westminster as I stand as we stand on this stage is do you want Brussels to be more important than Britain that's the question and if the answer is of course not you don't want bureaucrats that have never lived here and have no duty or obligation to making this an excellent country to be in charge of your decisions that's preposterous and that's really what the debate is happening here today and so we're so happy to bring these principles to Turning Point UK it's a UK driven movement Ali who opened it up is a CEO George farmer has been doing a great job for us we have Chloe of Dominique we have Steven we have great influencers that have been joining us on this trail here and it's a student-led movement and it's going to continue to grow all across this great country correct and such a little bit about me I started my political career on YouTube I had I did not care about politics whatsoever I I come from a very impoverished community in America and that's true a lot of black America is large large part impoverished but I didn't care about politics and I went off to university for three years racked up a lot of student loans about a hundred and fifty thousand dollars in student loan debt and kind of started in my life in New York City and then Donald Trump ran he came down the escalator now said he was running to become the President of the United States and my entire life changed I didn't change because I was like yeah that guy should be the president I actually thought the exact opposite I was like this is a joke this is a gimmick he's a reality TV star he doesn't have the correct decorum to be the leader of the free world that was my initial reaction but then something really sinister started taking place in the media and overnight they were calling him a racist and a sexist and a misogynist at one point they called him incestuous they said that he had feelings for Ivanka they were calling him a rapist and this literally happened in what felt like overnight because in America those you that don't know the media loved Donald J Trump my entire life the media loved him hip-hop artists loved them go back and listen to Beyonce and Jay Z's music they love Donald Trump it was the dream they would talk about sippin poolside at mar-a-lago which is a private club that he owns he really was the dream and even Barack Obama for those of you guys that don't set don't remember said that the American dream was to be like Donald J Trump he was celebrated loved adore would throw parties in New York City everybody knew about the Trump's and you want to get invited to a Trump party and then he announces that he's running for president and just like that the media said never mind he's a racist sexist and misogynist and a pig and if he if he becomes president itíd States you should be scared because he's gonna he wants to bring it back to an old America where minorities can't thrive and where women can't thrive and now they're pulling up tapes from 15 years ago and telling us that he hates but he hates women and at that moment you have to just are you smart really is the question I asked myself are you smart Candace Owens right what is your IQ level you cannot be be that so much of a fool and place so much emphasis in your media that they can do that overnight to someone and you don't pause and ask yourself just a couple of questions right and I asked myself a lot of questions and and the biggest question that I asked myself is is it possible that now racism is being used as a theme to turn black people into single issue voters is misogyny and sexism now being used as a theme to turn women into single issue voters and I started to explore those concepts on YouTube I would just talk and I would at that time I considered myself conservative curious by no means was I wearing a maggot cap running to a trump rally or saying that I really wanted this man to get elected but he was saying some stuff that was true when he started calling it fake news I couldn't deny that the news was indeed fake when the news said the exact opposite about him for last two decades so I put up a video on YouTube and 26 million views later I was given a platform to sort of to speak about my ideas and I had never in my life saved when I came out and said I was a black conservative have I been at the hand of so much racism and so much vitriolic hate but it was coming from the left it was coming from the left for me being a minority that dared to have a different opinion than what they accepted that I had to think as a minority and as a woman as a woman which led me to Turning Point USA because I asked myself I should talk about it was amazing right right I said how did I believe this because then I was sort of realizing coming out of the fog and like okay Republicans are not all racist actually it's kind of quite the opposite the left is racist they're just saying the word racist more and I said to myself the education system the education system taught me that conservatives were racist and made me think that that the only option for me to be as a black woman was liberal and and turning point USA was this amazing organization that decided that they were going to fight the front for different ideas and so I met Candice in November of 2017 and the second thing she said to me was her name the first thing she said was I want to lead the black revolution against the Democrat Party so the equivalent would be Labor Party here so just fill that in your and in the States it's it was for many years I was told in conservative circles it's impossible to get the black community to turn against the Democrat Party in fact almost and Candice would agree this the conservative movement almost grew complacent if not just kind of like yeah we're not gonna that's not going to get done her energy her charisma her enthusiasm her creativity and her capacity to be able to distill ideas into short sound bites really struck me so I offered her a job five minutes after I met her I said let's do it and mind you I grew up in northwest suburbs of Chicago and I did not have the same upbringing that Kandace that I just didn't but she had such a clear vision of what could be done I said let's do it you know we can really make them you could really make amazing things happen and you're now looking at in a span of a year and a half the most important black conservative in the world honestly there you can't actually name a more important black conservative of what honestly I would try to thought even some of the great thinkers you know from 30 40 years ago they don't have the impact that you have that you have brought more people out of the the woodwork more people out of the shell and you see it on Twitter these people that are wearing black sit shirts which oops I said it it's the black exit from the Democrat Party which is in the Labor Party in the Labor Party in this office now and she really deserves an incredible amount of recognition because she's done this in such defiance of the ruling elites and the media class they said Candice shut up Candice you can't do this she punches back twice as hard and in the states were seeing the fruits of that and so one example that we were able to really partner on which just I love talking about is we hosted jointly the the nation's largest-ever young conservative black Leadership Summit now it was the largest because it was the first ever young conservative black Leadership Summit therefore it was the largest where we brought well over 400 young black conservatives the white house wearing Magga hats applauding Donald Trump it was an amazing moment you guys should all applaud it absolutely and yeah and what was so amazing about it is that the values that we were teaching and that we were espousing is that I had this idea that maybe black America if we let go and not just black America they do it to every minority group now but if you let go of this victim narrative if you if you stop believing that you're a victim are trying to win the oppression Olympics like we like we like to call it right like I'm more oppressed than you because I'm a woman well I'm more oppressed in you because I'm black a lot more press than you was I'm blind well I'm more oppressed than you you know because I'm gay right like that would be the ultimate if I was like a gay disabled black lesbian right that's the oppressed how it works right then you're like yeah let's love you gender-fluid the left loves you but if you what does that actually earn you right it's like a badge of honor to be a victim whereas it actually earn you is black America more productive or more successful today than we were sixty years ago since we've accepted that all we're gonna be our victims no we're actually worse off today than we were 60 years ago and those are the questions that we ask sand ask him this is really the answer to it this is the answer to everything that for our community to lift ourselves out of poverty free markets limited government the biggest one to me is personal responsibility right that destroys the victim narrative altogether yes you do things and they're wrong and you do things and you're right and this is called this is the game of life it's not easy for anybody everybody at different different moments in their life are oppressed somehow we're going through something but it's not about how many times you fall down it's about how many times you get back up and the left says you're down stay down don't ever get back up complain forever down there about how you're down and it's because of the white man the tall man the straight man we can go on all day about the left and how much they love victims but this is what it's all about and and so let's talk about to two revolutions really quick first the American Revolution sorry about that well we marrying a Brit so look at that you're winning in the end we're still brokering peace sorry so the American Revolution in the French Revolution through completely different ways to view the world came out of these two revolutions the American Revolution was centered on the individual a can has just talked about that the individual is paramount to a functioning society that is individual rights that it's your freedom of thought freedom of speech freedom defend yourself freedom from government tyranny freedom that government cannot go and inspect your private property that it is individuals first and foremost their rights must be protected good bad revolution French Revolution what came out of that the collective that we must own things collectively social contract theory all bad ideas stem from France and they are certainly outdoing themselves let me tell you French jokes are cool here right let just want to make sure great okay so if we're fight if we're fighting the war in the West and they're going the opposite direction let me tell you that no pun intended just a historical fact half-kidding so anyway two revolutions and Europe unfortunately has embraced the bad ideas the French Revolution over the last 3040 years more than the good ideas of the American Revolution you can look at those two different trains of thought and actually we got our ideas in America from the Scottish enlightenment so thank you for that we actually took your own philosophers more serious than you took your own postal or to where we got John Locke and Adam Smith that talked about that power of the individual free markets were never created they were discovered primarily through Adam Smith personal responsibility was never created was talked about in the judeo-christian ethic but was really it was refined in the Scottish enlightenment the bad ideas of collectivism that a lot of the poor results you've seen in this country and really across more so across the world that even bigger government than here comes from this idea that government must be God that we must be a collective first and foremost and that's wrong and you know we challenge every single day and that's where you get bad ideas such as identity politics and collectivism and socialist type policies right I think the last thing I want to hit on here is talking about that because what we're seeing happening increasingly on the left is the breakdown of any normal function any normal functioning part of society they want to actively destroy the biggest example of this is the breakdown of the family the nuclear family right they make it's almost like durty now mom dad brother and sister they were bolts against this they say if this is this is awful this is wrong this is patriarchal right this is the patriarchy even the concept of this they and we're in this weird spot now if you're paying attention and something that I speak against all the time is feminism radicalized feminism is what we're seeing today and and that's what radicalized feminism seeks to destroy the idea of masculinity right the idea that men are needed at all right there just like happier kids we don't need men get rid of them of course that won't work biologically too long right eventually I think they're trying to find something you actually do need men but a society needs strong men and they're making you feel that that's something us feel and if you're looking at Coltrane you're paying attention to the media that that's wrong it's Gillette advert I was so angry about this did anybody see this Gillette but where it's just like being a man is wrong I mean by a bio razor right we've been actively seeing this and no community has suffered more because of the breakdown of the nuclear family unit then the black American family the removal of strongmen than the black American family so for those you that don't know in America the single motherhood rate for the black community was 23% in the 1960s today it's a whopping 74% and so much has followed because of this so much has happened because they removed father's from the home strategically via the welfare program so you want to talk away by about why I hate socialism these programs that they implemented destroyed our family and what happened is that these kids without the guidance of their fathers in their homes turn to the streets they turn to hip-hop they turn to culture and tell them what's white and right and what's wrong and we have been suffering as a community as a result of it so yeah that's a huge a huge component of me is going against radicalize feminism which to me today is just angry bitter women who hate men so let's uh let's get Joel and Dominique up here if you're okay Candice I'd love to have you be able to talk she will be first in line okay great so Joe come on up so since we're such horrible racist I'll be the only white person my goodness so welcome up Joel and Dominique to our influencers here at Turning Point you say it's so excited about so introduce yourself and then talk a little bit nice poster right you guys should really hold up then once we're ready we'll have lines of question for me in the middle Joel why don't you start it off okay so I'm told to laka I'm actually suited down here in Sussex and I'm actually though from stoke-on-trent and that's kind of where my experience of being someone who'd be on the right wing comes from so instead of I'm trying I kind of grew up that and people will be complaining about the road to schools education about different things and saying for years on years we've had no investment no one's doing anything for us then every election city election local election parliamentary election they'd still be voting for the same leaders who they were blaming for these problems I kind of thought that's a bit of backward you know you want something to change but then you vote for the same people who are doing the same thing to your community of lower again and so I'd see that and I thought okay that does that's a bit silly but we'll move on and then I contrast that with the experience of my kind of parents growing up because they grew up in Africa and we're literally the things we take for granted here health care food education you didn't have unless you like worked and not just work you know how I stacked shells in Sainsbury's I would do something like you worked you you worked hard and and to see these people in state relying on handouts from a party that said we'll give you just about enough that you're okay you're not dying you're not in poverty but you're not fulfilling your full potential we'll just give you just about enough you can get there but we'll never give you any more and we'll call those who say we'll try and give you a different way of life will come rice will come homophobes or call them pickets and that's how we'll stop them being able to speak that's when I realized that I was right-wing and I know that's that's that's a word you can't say here anyone well my values and principles make me right-wing and so kind of bringing that because I just believed that the person who knows best how to run their lives is you I don't know how best to run your life you don't know how blessed to run mine it's you so the government shouldn't have this overarching power that tells you everything to do how much you can have on your plate what the healthy portion is for food you're in charge in your lives you're the one they should be able to do what you want with your life and the government should be there to maintain some order and society I'm not on a kissed if anyone is asking I'm not crazy but I you know there should be limited government I mean their free market because it means that the businesses and compete to satisfy you so you're in charge you're the one who has control and choice of what you do and crucially businesses and providers that fail or don't fail to meet your needs guess what they failed the government doesn't prop them up with subsidies or keep giving them money so time and time after again we hear Karelian crashing we hear this housing industry growing are you thinking well you know they've been doing it for ages why if they only just gone bust now because the government's propping them up well if they were crap 20 years ago they're probably still gonna be crap now right but the government still been subsidizing with our own tax money I think it's quite insulting for the gun to take my taxes to subsidize a company that's not doing what I wanted to do and then tell me that's good thing and so this kind of central planning I looked over and I thought actually this is the way it works and I believe it's kind of a sad things in our generation today my peers voted for the Socialists of Jeremy Corbyn because I could go on endlessly about where social difference fell before but I will and I'll just ask you to look at Venezuela and see the people that brutality their lives now compared to that I think it was four billion the wealth estimated of maduras family in the same time period as people are now eating their pets to survive and you just think eating garbage is one in a country that was one of the most richest countries in the world and you just think how could people ever go for something like that and that's why I think tiny points are important here in the UK because I don't think it's that young people here don't want to be free I don't think that I think that our generation loves liberty the fact that we can do what we like I'm able to say what we like act as we like and I think that actually but we've not seen the free market actually in the UK as much as possible and every turning point can help to spread that message and that's kind of why we're here so thank you for coming out to speak to us tonight hello everyone I just want to start by saying one of the main questions I'm asked by anyone when I say I'm a conservative or right-wing is you know how can a young black woman be a conservative no such a racist thing to say and I have to say today is you know it didn't I wasn't always like this actually voted for Jeremy Corbyn in 2016 yeah Wow I believed in laughing for because I thought that Labour were the only political home for me because of my skin color and the stereotype is that you know the Conservative Party is for rich white men and and I was really uneducated on that and one of the main things about actually being a conservative is looking at the facts and actually having logic and applying things objectively rather than using emotion so I looked at Labour's policies and the things that yes they espouse and I realized that they were more concerned with what's going on in Palestine more concerned with supporting terrorist Alcon organizations more concerned with getting rid of trident the one that what's actually going on in the country you've got the Labour Party in fleet disarray over brexit they'd rather be ruled by EU bureaucrats than actually give our Parliament the power to have a say over our laws here yeah let's girls do detail by the way well right now I would actually agree with you mate I would actually agree with you yeah I'd actually agree with you but yeah but I've realized that when I actually and became a conservative and started being more like confident about my views and the left were actually the ones that were the most you know frustrated with me having a different point of view I've been called an Uncle Tom numerous times I've been called a token numerous times and the thing about freedom is it's not just about having the freedom to use the same facilities as others or you know the freedom to participate in education the same as others it's the freedom to think freely and that's the message that we really want to get across with turning-point I don't have to be a socialist just because I'm black I don't believe in socialism I believe that capitalism is what will actually empower minority communities not being reliant on government and I believe the best way for minorities to go is the conservative way we need to believe in the family we need to believe in personal responsibility and we need to believe that we can be in control of our destiny and that's why I'm really excited about turning point and it's only just the beginning thank you all right well now we'd like to open for discussions with the audience and people disagree you guys can just form a line right in the middle she's going to be first cuz I promised her that line over there I'm sorry sugar you get to the front and thank you for being you for being here cute maybe before was a bit of spontaneous outburst and maybe not the best way to address my objections to what you were saying I'll admit but I just so deeply object to a lot of what you're saying but at the root I feel like there's a clear misunderstanding about the core values of feminism you saying that it's it's bitter women or that that it's not allowing men to be men anymore or demonizing masculinity I just I really don't agree with I don't think there's any value in in kind of glorifying toxic masculinity though that we have now with with making it seem as though being being a violent man or anything like that is appropriate I think it's really damaging would you be able to phrase it as a question I could say a couple of things back and we can have a discussion about this so first and foremost you started by saying I feel like it's really important that we know what you think like because of a big problem is that people are thinking or our feeling and they're not really thinking anymore secondly you brought up toxic masculinity I believe toxic masculinity exists but it exists inside of radicalized feminists right where they're thinking that they should be able to own in control society because they're marching in the street with hats and saying that they demand justice for a free and fair election like they did with Donald J Trump I don't like this trend where you're where we're trying to turn men and you call it this masculinity is masculinity I like masculinity masculinity is actually the one thing that saved me in life I was grateful to have my grandfather who was the strongest example of what it means to be a man right and because of that having that structure it actually saved me because he taught me personal responsibility he taught me to have a relationship with God right and yes he's a he's a man's man he did everything with his hands he worked on the sharecropping farm from the time he was five years old today that archetype of what a man is is being taught that that there's something wrong with it that there's something that's implicitly violent about being a man and that's wrong and it's and I think the people that are harmed the most by it by the way are women women are harmed the most when you break down men and strong fathers we are the ones that suffer the most and also can I just say you know men men commit suicide at faster rates than women women actually live longer than men most men are actually in prison and most men more than women are homeless so women graduate more in college women in what way are we suffering what statistic do you feel that women are suffering and men aren't because there might be a meninist there might need to be a Menon is a movie you have a female prime minister with what you say about having a strong grandfather a male figure if you're saying that you've internalized these things these messages that he taught you then then surely there's nothing inherently masculine about about those those qualities I mean I don't understand how you're defining masculinity no you're defining it yeah why don't you define it why don't you difference you're the one I think like so you should define what masculinity means to you say masculinity now obviously just being a social construct literally nothing more than a set of expectations that are placed on somebody so then how can you call it if it's a social construct how can you call it toxic because social constructs can be totally you have a patriarchal society that is sending a message that men need to be dominant or they need to be I know you don't like the word violent but I think there's something violent about it about masculinity know about about the sort of masculinity that that we have now this this toxic what sorta makes that construct though in order for something to be a construct it has to begin as a norm which a majority among people follow his sending messages that men need to possess certain qualities and I believe the qualities that they're that they're suggesting should be adopted which qualities need to know what exactly you've seen when you've said that as an example of toxic masculinity I think men feeling that they need to dominate spaces physically and speaking over women interrupting women belittling them y'all good I'm being so it just says quit just ass it's just a question so you just said into when men interrupt and dominate spaces were you a toxic feminist when you interrupted me when I was on stage I'm just asking because you're saying that somebody interrupting someone is now a symbol of toxic masculinity you just interrupted me on stage so are you a toxic salmon it's because I didn't you went because your total I didn't interrupt you because you're a woman maybe what I'm saying what you were saying but maybe that's what men are do sometimes is it possible that men sometimes interrupt because they disagree with what women are saying and not because they're tossed toxic masculinity in the air like you know what I'm saying is that you're coming up with terms and sometimes people just interrupt I'm fine with the fact that you interrupted me it happens all the time and I'm not holding that against you I'm just using it to prove a point that you've created an entire concept around when men interrupt women but you literally just interrupted me and you don't identify as yourself as a toxic feminist well maybe man what you're saying because you're women but maybe it's relevant to men as well when they're into when they interrupt people men interrupt other men men interrupt women were society what is your metric for us one piece of data yeah like a data any piece you can't just say if there's a culture of men interrupting woman you watch what's your date what's your data point for this kind of interpretive is data where you're looking interactions at dynamics you can see I mean what do you want me to say like it's like it's a fact yeah any fact a recent huge cultural example amazing last question do you think we live in a patriarchy yes why do women live longer than men why are men more likely to commit suicide why do women compose 50-plus percent of Kauai do I control eighty nine percent of the of the spending power within households if men are the ones that are going out and making all of the money as we like to say so it's a patriarchy that allows women a lot of responsibility within a household within a certain sphere why are majority of business startups women majority of master's degrees a majority of doctors degrees in the States married women live the least long unmarried women live longest because they do not have the responsibilities the emotional labor of being marriages emotional labor pattern marriages emotional labor for women no because because the way that women support men like it's a huge this is sort of I appreciate discussion we're having this is that you're such a perfect reason for why I why I just all will never be a feminist because everything that you put it's like you don't really know why you're calling it toxic you did the exact same thing but you decided that when men interrupt it's because you're a woman but you decide that when you interrupt it just because you had a differing opinion I know I know I know and then you say stuff about the marriage and break down as an emotional labor there are women just you know that aspire to get married and have children and stay at home and raise good children and that's okay so but why are you now making it seem like that puts us in a position that's less than man created that's don't want to create a society be the people the person that raises every individual that's in society feminism has made it seem that there's something wrong with being a mother that there's something wrong with being a wife and everything that you just said is that it ah it's not emotional labour I want to have children I want to raise my children I don't want to I don't want to be the CEO of a company and and not have a husband and that's not what I aspire to and that's why feminism is having a hard time with a lot of women who are realizing that when they give up everything that they naturally want in life to be a feminist they end up miserable and alone no I'm not please don't tell me that I'm sitting here with understanding I'm I'm say I'm sitting here because I work hard personally responsible I'm not sitting here because of feminism I am not sitting here because of any feminist trust me supposed to be about choice and what radical feminism is actually doing is taking away that choice and making women feel bad about wanting to maybe be the traditional view of what a woman is there's nothing wrong with having a choice to do both I don't really understand your point isn't isn't trying to destroy the family women can happily be mothers and they can just set it in motion it's not I don't feel that way so does that make which one of us is less of a woman we have different opinions you're saying that it is I'm saying that it's not we have a differing opinion and a vision why I don't like feminism because it basically tells us that we have to feel this way that we have to feel bitter towards men which husband towards marriage towards children and that's why I'm trying to let you know the feminist movement is considered very radicalized because there are many women especially conservative women who just don't feel that way we don't feel burdened by children and marriage can I give you some facts though to support this you know you don't want to let hear from a man okay wait see how things get really dangerous and you start to generalise men and women all of a sudden like you did we'll talk about facts later I understand that that some women want I completely respect that all feminism is doing is telling me that you do have a choice I don't believe radical feminism is pushing women into inter hating the family it's just suggesting that that maybe this doesn't have to be your lot and some women have internalized values that make them think that this is what they want when when really they might not I really do want a husband and children one day so but what I'm saying she was the reason why I don't like feminism is because feminists think feminism is mandatory the second you find out that a girl doesn't identify as a feminist you're up here and you're asking a bunch of questions I don't like the feminist movement I think it's become very toxic and very hostile towards men if you believed in the Equality that men that women should be able to think whatever we wanted you wouldn't be debating me right now you'd say well more power to you because you'd be a true feminist but you're not you're trying to I'm not little enough you're allowed to be a feminist I'm not telling you you you don't you can be a feminist you could buy a hat if you left today and I wouldn't mind I've never had an issue with people that are feminists I have an issue when people tell me that I now have to be a feminist or that it's complete when I say that ice I think it's harmful to keep telling men that masculinity is wrong masculinity is a component of being a man I think a society needs and thrives on strong men there's never been a society without strong men there's never been a society without strong men and I because I support that you're upset and you're calling what's wrong with that what's wrong with strong men why does that make you upset I just think that the value see you reference the Gillette advert all it was saying was the message was fundamentally just just stop being violent just no no it was it you know little toddlers boys do will be boys boys tend to be reckless they tend to punch each other and wrestle each other that's a healthy necessary part of the child development process trying to demonize that in the parental guidelines that Gillette was trying to have in a 30 second to a minute ad is toxic feminism acting toxic masculinity so let me give you some example super quick so you say that's not what feminism wants the predominant viewpoint in the university now in the States and the UK is an anti male posture whether it be papers that literally say abolish men whether it be books that say the problem with men you're looking at me funny The Huffington Post publishes at least a weekly piece that says that men should have a less powerful so white men cancel white men is a common theme the the me2 movement also you agree with it okay they have the largest one every single war every freedom that we have a degree the anti male posture so you're true radical feminism comes out after ten minutes across examination before you said I have no problem with men now you said because white men have done a lot of now we get to revealing who you really are angry person they just hate men there is no other platform what about all the good ones so that that that's wrong we can't do that like defeating the Navajo people men you have Avengers anything that men have invented we can't we can't use anymore slavery was intended in America because uh women were finances what about all the good what about all the good things everything that we have in society every war that was fought and won was because of men do you ever think about that spiraling women have never started Wars but you know wars have never been fought over women in this country that never happened Henry they right what's the point because he was an adulterer I mean that's a terrible example women let me ask you question do you think women can do it have done anything wrong or that women can do anything wrong like would you bid up had been okay if there was like a strict razor commercial like about toxic femininity would that have been okay with you what you think accusing men of things that never happen and having it sexual assault like Brett Kavanaugh and a racist but he's a what he's an honorable man awful honorable I said prove it what facts came one fact of anything awful he's ever done he raped someone because she because she said so because she said so so why isn't there a trial on the court why didn't she go file it why didn't you file a police report there's no time place no witnesses the same coach by Jessie Smollett then faking a hoax because you know you have to bring him I don't know you can't you can't let's sit here and say that without facts that you can say he's a rapist but then Jesse Smollett can get away with saying there was people shouting this is Trump country we're gonna beat you up without facts you either have facts of both or you can't delete them I'm asked question do you think so now we're getting late now this is why I don't support feminism by the way because you so you do you believe in the concept that women should just be believed absent facts because that that's that was the kristinb lazy for thing there was not a single fact do you think that woman should be believed absent facts if they say that they were raped and assaulted and something has happened to them that they should be given the time to to be heard and to experience okay but why didn't you submit a police report but she has no evidence there's no statute of limitations for rape in Maryland she could file a police report today it's cuz she made up the entire thing why does he know at the time the place no corroborating witnesses her story changed eight times none of her friends said I've ever happened or she ever talked about it once before everything about her life story changed at least six times two of the women that came forward and said that something happened are actually under criminal conviction for making up the entire thing they ever met her once before this was a con job to try to displace United States it was a political hit job it really was but I do want to say this to you is something for you just consider I think we should wrap this up because I don't think you're ever gonna not be a feminist and I'm never gonna be one right but it's really important when you start getting into that slippery slope of believing women and I talked about this particularly the minority America we've learned our lesson the hardest with this and I think radicalized feminism when I did a an interview I said it was the closest thing to white supremacy I've ever seen his radicalized feminism the concept of just believing a woman because she said something is the direct thing that led to all of our ancestors getting lynched in America when white women would just say that something happens okay and and we were supposed to magically believe it our ancestors were then chased after put into cars Emmett Till everything that happened in America happened because white women should just be believed so you will never ever ever hear me stand behind a radicalized concept like just believe women because they're crying thank you so much for taking the time to speak to us today thank you you like the you wanted to say something we have a disagreement president you want to say who over on that side and then do if you guys want to file in line the disagreements get precedent alright everyone thank you for being here I'm a little bit concerned that your mischaracterizing left and also feminism and so on I think you're talking about certain facts factions within these within these movements you know I think that I think it's obviously the case that feminism is is brought you know over the last hundred years in this countries and tremendous things for women I find it a little bit a little bit frightening that your mischaracterizing a faction within in the way you are so conveniently forgetting the wonderful things that have been done to advance see you know the rights of women in the last hundred years but anyway that's the one side I'd say a similar thing about the way you're characterizing the the left I mean question yeah alright I mean do you think okay do you think the CNH is a good thing yes yeah it could be run a lot better okay it could be way more efficient bigger and better no one's arguing we had this I'm just gonna I'm sorry to interrupt you but we had the same question there we were told that all of you right-wing is you want to get rid of NHS no I mean America has a different system but there are more than two countries in the world does France has other countries that run the health system differently but if we get caught up as a country just talking about the NHS as kind of some religion and never talk about its failures and how we can improve it we're never gonna have the health service that the money with huge amounts while we put in every year towards it from taxes can't deliver okay [Applause] all right everything about I think I think it's a good thing that every child in this country you know is assured of education universal education okay okay look terrific perhaps I could just put it like this I'm a little bit I'm a bit if I may I think that you're pinging from one extreme to the other I'm well I think there are excesses on both sides of politics okay I suppose what I'm saying is it breaks my heart frankly as somebody who is a nonpartisan actually by ideally lean to the left it's so obvious that the left and the labor movement has done so much for this country in so many ways it's just a fact I'm sorry it's a fact and you sort of you sort of you've sort of forgotten all of that you know if I may I'm very young I'll just say this I'm in rather uncomfortable about the way that your mischaracterizing the wonderful wonderful things that the left and feminists have done in this country especially over the last hundred years and you're focusing in that's something that they've done recently yeah you're focusing on a small group foodnut is so advanced your own political ends and I find it I find it quite disturbing you know thank you so much for your appreciate that let's get a disagreement here let's go someone who disagrees you disagree with the romney-ryan cool I like it's ironic I think it's pretty funny but so you're very against kind of you're very like you're not a huge fan of socialism I'm kind of getting that vibe so what is I've got two questions what is in America like what is your vision what is your perfect idea of healthcare because in the UK we very much like our socialized healthcare like you know even you guys want to keep it so like what is your vision for perfect healthcare and you're certain you're like Mad Max kind of small government world like Mad Max yeah that's what it was like kind of like a waistline like no government you know I know it's not like that - yeah you ever heard of LASIK eye surgery before so how is LASIK eye surgery regulated in the States I'm not sure how bad max world domain well on the Mad Max world that kind of fear monger it's not covered by insurance so it's in the private market so I would like I'd like the US healthcare system to work how the LASIK eye surgery industry has worked over the last ten years where it's a vital organ not covered by insurance not covered by government hospitals not covered by Medicaid and not covered by Medicare where it's a cash-only transaction so over the last ten years the most amazing medical advancements around LASIK eye technology have stem from America and the price has gone down dramatically so it used to be $20,000 per I now you can get it seven or $50 per I used to be a three week recovery time now it's a 48 hour recovery time it's a vital organ so there's no the arguments that somehow this is not necessary there's not a high level of precision gets completely and totally dismissed the market works no matter where it is whether it be in health care food transportation housing technology communication so I want more market forces I want health health care to be bought across state lines in the States I want a government that does not pick crony favors or hospitals that make big contributions or drug companies that have the right lobbyists or trial lawyers that have proximity to Capitol Hill the market works no matter where it is tried in the states it's a totally screwed up system there that's half crony 'us half government-run and it's it's there are some really good parts of US health care system if you can afford it we have the best treatment if you can afford it you roll your eyes how do you get things for more people to afford things through competition we do not have that in to use help us healthcare so we solve half the equation half the equation is quality the rest of the world benefits from the u.s. medical advancements every single year whether it be whether it be heart monitor machines whether it be pharmaceutical breakthrough 90% of the most instrumental and important drugs that are used in this country around the world stem from billions of dollars of research and development incentives that are put in the United States of America so the rest of the world benefits from the US healthcare industry whether you like it or not now the problem is how do you get more people the access to a higher quality of care well the law of markets that we've learned over the last 200 years we've seen we've all experienced whether it be how airplanes and cars and technology and phones used to be tools the rich and other things that we all enjoy for a low price and a high level accessibility is competition capitalism does three things really really quickly it lowers prices raises the quality of good and allows more people accessibility of those things health care should be no different and that's what I like to see in the States you don't have it so just so you know I think at your core you're trying to say we have socialized medicine and it works in what you guys have overseas doesn't work we don't have free market health care system in America so that's why it's an absolute disaster I said one more thing that's interesting I've learned something but I'm just off interest so in your world of like small government I think there's off top of my head I can think of - socialized institutions in America I've got the postal system and I've got libraries would you want to keep libraries if you make a joke about inefficiency late mail things that are misplaced it is the u.s. postal system so I would love to privatize the United States postal system because and we have other companies we have three companies actually compete for parcel delivery service DHL UPS and FedEx and FedEx isn't headquartered out of Memphis Tennessee and does more tons of air cargo Freight in the world than any other company because it's privatized and they do it less per parcel so privatize the Postal Service so libraries are local government not federal government the Postal Service is subsidized by the federal government in effect and effect effectively libraries it's up to the local government I think there's a role for libraries I think they're becoming increasingly outdated seem like books for everyone shouldn't you have personal responsibility if it's a local if it's a local tax instrument and if you don't want to live in a town of the library don't move to that town that's that's what's amazing about local government is you have the ability the mobility to move to a place that might represent your values your interests your needs or wants more than others and so if you want if you want a place that has a higher police force or better schools you move there and that's of that's that's what the founders talked about as laboratories of democracy as Louis Brandeis talked about the US Supreme Court justice from the sixties and seventies so we have these competing different markets of democracy the best ideas will win thank you hello hello yeah thank you for coming to the UK and might we not talk about victim mentality and I just wanted to bring up you know a real victim group on a neck Handy's I've heard you talk about it a lot in terms of the unborn children and the genocides that's happening through abortion so my question actually is to the turning point UK where do you stand on the issue of abortion is this something that you're going to be addressing I don't think is something we're gonna be addressing is a campaign group but I think because it's kind of like I said a personal thing in the UK I feel we've come to a compromise in the sense that we have a system where I mean whether we like it or not abortions do happen unfortunately if I could do something to go back to the to give people another option so the abortions wouldn't happen in the first place that would be the idea but we live in the real world abortions would happen and it happened back street and if they weren't happen to the government I think there's a debate to be had about the time limits of people to think about that but it wouldn't be an issue that turningpoint UK is going to be you know campaigning or lobbying them although I do I'm not personally against abortion I am against the late term limits and also the fact that black women are actually most likely to have repeat abort ins in the UK I'm not that's not really a good thing for me however you know abortion like Joel said is kind of a settled topic in the UK so that's not really something we'll be focusing on as much but you know this is an issue where babies human beings are literally being killed slaughtered and shouldn't that be something that if we talk about personal responsibility right we're talking about here's what I'll say so turning organization we focused on these things free markets limited government personal responsibility is a big one obviously I've sort of I've grown as an individual and the more that you get further into it you develop as an individual outside of an organization your viewpoints abortion is a huge thing I think it's murder and the problem with abortion isn't the fact it is beyond the fact that it's murder is the fact that people are being miss educated about it I think that people would make different decisions if they were being properly yeah they're yes if they were being properly taught about what abortion is like I don't know if any of you guys watched footage from our CPAC our big our CPAC conference that we just had in DC go watch dr. ben Carson described to you as a doctor what happens during the process of abortion that should not have happened on a CPAC stage that should happen in every single health class that you are you're for stake throughout the public school system okay when I learned about abortion and at school I learned about it like it was like deciding whether or not you want to wear brown boots or black boots for the day and that's what's wrong our education system is training women to disassociate it as thinking of it as a living human being as if it's just an option I think it's disgusting and that we need to entirely revamp the education system I'm fiercely passionate about it and it does to support Lee affect black women and and there's a reason for that because it's targeted in our education systems in our name and in black neighborhoods the ads are all over the advert you see but you uh there are these big or they call it no the big billboards that literally will show black woman smiling saying like I just made a choice like as if it was whether or not they should go out on a Thursday night that is a major problem with that I have and I think that the de bortion rate would significantly decrease if people actually learn what abortion was and abortion is in fact murder and is issue for men as well this same thing has been framed as if it's an issue just for women but I think we need to get more men speaking about it as well and yeah education I think I think you care all more for like honest debate and discussing him putting more the ideas of personal responsibility but in specifically kind of you know campaign against that so that's why we're saying I actually more people to come those values of personal responsibility and the education around and then maybe would see abortions start to decrease in them as a group we sorry CBI UK we're also showing the reality abortion so we actually go to University's Oxford Cambridge and we've seen like Oxford and Cambridge students we go with banners we show the reality of abortion we show graphic images to show the truth and educate people and we've seen you know Oxford students which immense opinion and the smartest in the world literally come and cover up our images and they have no arguments they they go crazy I would just encourage you to keep pushing and you know I said it's not like that it's not what we do per se at Turning Point USA but as individuals and as women we should always be speaking up about it and having an authentic conversation and super-quick I'm pro-life you're too thought exercises for anyone in this room that might be undecided or pro-choice really quick if it's not a life why do we call a celebration of a pregnancy a baby shower not a fetus shower the second thing that in the States at least when a pregnant woman is brutally murdered that actually counts as a double homicide not as a single homicide I'm guessing it's the same here in the UK but if that's very same woman instead of getting brutally murdered decided to go to a family planning clinic or an abortion clinic and decided to have an abortion that's perfectly fine the life a life should not have objective a subjective value based simply on what another person wants to do with it the rights do not go away just because a single individual wants to do something or terminate that fetus or baby or whatever it is and so those are some things to think about yeah I would encourage turningpoint UK that I think we can learn a lot from our u.s. brothers and sisters in this and the Americans who speak about this issue a lot more than us and I think as Brits we shouldn't be sometimes we can be more too reserved yeah yeah there's off-topic things and abortion is one of them right you know so I hope I'd love to connect with you guys afterwards I like what you're doing anyway so thank you so much I really appreciate that hello thank you for being here hello sir if I'm not as articulate as I could be it's weird to see you guys in person I am kind of interested in the wordplay specifically Charlie because I've seen the most of you online but also kind of I'm afraid oh I have nothing to like ask but specifically charlie and a lot of you the wordplay you use and a lot of the sources that you draw unlike the statistics you're very good at just like ramping off statistics and throwing them into the person that you're arguing I was wondering where do you create your sources and do you make them easily accessible or would you like to name an example that I can cite for you now I don't question that the things that you're saying are factual it's more how they are phrased and how they are put to us so for example the thing that you've just said now about abortion can you quickly remind me aside and trip over my sure I'll do the first one I say a celebration of a pregnancy why do we call that event a baby shower not a fetus shower right so that in itself sounds like right well that means there's a cultural acceptance of the idea that it's baby birth but that's just a linguistic cultural way so I call it I'm pro-choice for example but I was still called at a baby shower that doesn't mean I culturally accept the idea that it's a baby I'm just using a linguistic deeper meaning let's play this out it's fun so if the individual that has the baby shower decides right after the baby shower to have an abortion what is that inside of her called I don't want to do this if that's all right I don't want to do I know but you see all the certain example of abortion is kicking up too much dust can I use a different example okay so the first thing I saw with UN was your political debate with his son that was the first thing I saw of you and you said you'll probably still remember it but it was that the worst and cities in America were run by Democrats yeah the poorest most murderous right so he looked at up because I wanted to read up on it and there wasn't a source in the video mirror I've seen and that was correct but it also correct that of the top ten cities most of them were Democrat and across the board on average most cities are Democrat so the fact that you took it out of the entirety of the fact which is that most it is a Democrat the top best cities are Democrat and the worst it is a Democrat and you chose to only say that the worst it is Democrat top best cities or Democrat we see most prosperous their wealthiest in the same way that yeah so the city the study that I found of the marriage no statistic said that so so cities tend to be more urban areas tend to be more to the left just as they are but when Republican mayor's are actually allowed the chance to govern the results are remarkable and so let's just oppose cities versus states or even in the if you want to extrapolate what my argument was really talking about in the laboratory of democracy theory which we all believe in which is when certain states are allowed to have juxtaposed policies and contrasts against each other you see huge differences so the most prosperous most job-creating those entrepreneurial states are ones with Republican governors and low tax low regulation type policies and there is a correlation between the most murderous the most dangerous and the most honestly hopeless areas and Candace grew up in one of them are most always dominated by Democrats but when those Republican policies are actually allowed to be instituted those communities turn around quite quickly so another one was that you said I think it was the life expectancy in kiba was 15 years lower than that in the United doesn't kill you right right dem aside but I up as well and I found there was no information that and in fact the the Google definition which draws on it sites you know many different studies and it fills it all in and it pulls it all together it chooses the most reasonable response that's backed up by facts and logic it said that it was actually a year older than the US so I just so how do you actually when you're like I think it's good get down galloping when you're throwing so many points in a debate do you not think it's unfair and unreasonable and maybe at points even manipulative to be phra
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