Charlie Kirk and Nigel Farage Discuss Brexit Victory, Boris Johnson, and the Western Elite Power Grab

all right we are here in London with the great Nigel Farraj Nigel thank you so much and congratulations on the massive win unbelievable yeah I mean for those in America that don't know what happened we were supposed to leave the EU on March the 29th it was written into law you know we had a referendum it was all set guess what happened we didn't leave around 29th the government effectively kicked the can down the road and that meant we had to contest the five yearly yes European elections well and in America you are I have to say you are a cultural icon because you are the you were you give so much confidence actually to Trump voters that the polls could be wrong and I I'm gonna tell you now Joe you played a role in getting Donald Trump elected now that's not foreign interference in elections everybody that's like a big thing but what you did is you showed the voters in Pennsylvania Wisconsin in Michigan still show up to the polls because it's joke to vote because the polls could be wrong yeah say what happened to us on the day of the referendum at 11:00 a.m. that morning a polls released showing remain 10 points ahead suppressor pull and the message absolutely the message was if you're a brexit vote sir don't bother to go though because you lost anyway guess what that poll was absolute political stitcher and the man who released the poll is now in the House of Lords well he's actually been honored for what he did and so when I went to Mississippi and spoke at a trump rally at all this 16 and then when I went back you know week after week I kept going back and doing stuff on everything from farms to CNN sure Damon I kept saying to people don't listen to what the polls say don't listen to what the predictors say you know they're using this as yes of their political means of stopping even well instead of having the polls actually report reality they're trying to make the polls create something there now used as political devices and weapons it's dishonest in the most extraordinary way and remember on the morning of the 8th of November 16 you know I think it was a couple of the New York newspapers papers said there was a 98.1 that's there well and I remember being in Trump Tower with Donald Trump jr. looking at the New York Times forecast meter so it's for those you that can't see the video that I'm doing it essentially it's there's a 180 degree meter it had 99.9% chance of Hillary Clinton winning and then it just ticked all the way back throughout the night of course but Nigel I I believe that we're going through a time in Western civilization where the elites are making their big power grab and they're almost annoyed that people like you are giving voice to the middle class workers I think annoyed would be something but they're terrified too they're bothered by it yeah well they've had all the red way for very long time yes you know they set up an international appraisers post-1945 which actually was with good intention you know a world ravaged by war sure let's have a set of institutions through which we can cooperate and work together and everything through unity like the United Nation or ganado the European project all of these things actually 40 50 years ago in a way you'd have been mad to oppose these organizations because what's wrong with us sitting around the table talking trading all of those things but as ever with humankind behind it there was an ulterior motive quartz yes another attempt to try and create one-world government and I know it sounds conspiratorial to some people but you know it isn't look at what's happened in Europe you've now got 28 countries signed up to an organization that is now run by unelected be yes and if Hillary Guam back in 16 she was utterly committed to America yes becoming an extension of the European single world and you look at three or four instances of this the Paris climate Accord was supposed to be an entree to destroy American national sovereignty the World Trade Organization TPP NAFTA all these were deliberate attempts from an American standpoint to do exactly what the year and everything's fine yeah having a free trade deal when you get rid of tariffs in quotes it is fun bilaterally sure absolutely but when you start to look as you say TPP at least kind of arrangements they're basically political union and these have I make the argument we have not had free trade but have China trade over the last sixty years we've had trade that heavily favors the Chinese markets where they still are allowed to be classified as a developing nation where they can steal intellectual property of the best entrepreneurs the west they can lie cheat and steal and we're still supposed to act as if they're and they can mass-produce steel well they dumped steel mass-produced steel and dump it all over the Western world yes and because I'm still worked out as a result so there are some real problems no doubt and so so as I see what's happening you know in the West and what you're leading Nigel is is so fundamentally important so the argument that you made is that the elitists will say well failure to do this will mean that will be more likely to go to war and will be more likely to have conflict and that's such a horrible argument because one would act I could actually say their current model is it's it's inevitable for a crash course a collision course where you have what is well if you take away from people their ability to influence their own future yes that's what democracy is core democracy is about making choices about your future if that's taken away and transferred out to a supranational level if you want change and you can't get changed through the ballot box what do you know when you will have separatists you're left with direct action you're left with all sorts of things mobs violence horrible but I'm genuinely worried genuinely worried that if you take away people's freedoms they will fight back and and so what I want to do is I want to buy it back yes but to beat them at their own game and to beat them whichever classically which is extreme thank God we still have that opportunity and you and I had this conversation before which is far too often conservatives I'll say conservatives in the states not the conservatives here which are practically they're practically in a bit of bullish and we'll get there in a second it's a joke here I mean I look at these policies your conservatives are advocating for gender wage pay gap nonsense and Islamophobia hey usual speech suppression I'm just looking at this stuff I say okay we have it a little bit better in the states we have actual rock-ribbed conservatives in the traditional sense yeah but what one thing that Donald Trump really focused on I think he learned from you Nigel have to say and I think he got a lot of confidence from you when he saw what brexit happened he said I can win two is you have to focus on the culture it's not just the economics and I'm a supply-side guy I'm a free market guy I believe all those things yeah but those arguments they don't have a lot of resonance to people well I'm old enough cause to have seen supply-side yes in reagan's time and Thatcher's time and to see you know men and women going out setting up their own businesses and really succeeding huge I mean the 80s was a great period of social mobility as you say at the moment that debate isn't really happening people don't quite get that debate but this is what's interesting we have seen brexit we've seen Trump we've seen Italian politics I mean transit well that's a wonderful thing right in the most astonishing way we now have a whole series of new political movements springing up right across the Western world and here's the interesting thing it's all happened at a time of relatively benign economic that's it isn't an amazing so normally you would expect a recession followed by a depression and that's when you get new political money exactly right some might be good summer some might be sinister this is all happened at a time of benign economics and it is cultural it is cultural and in many countries it's actually the mentality of the capital so yeah we've got London here we are in sw1 this is where mainstream media is this is where career politics ISM you drive 50 miles north of here you find completely different people completely different attitudes and I get the feeling in America it's the same exactly right and that's what you've got you've got the dominance yes of these capitals more and more power coming into capitals going away from ordinary a widening divide where the rich are getting richer and those who actually was doing quite well 20 years ago we're now struggling yes in this country that kids can't even afford to buy a house well it's out of control immigration in this country too is pricing people out well we have literally I mean we have a population crisis in Britain and nobody you're heading there's 300,000 people a year in London and you already have 10 million is now right in London property yeah have we wonder why the property markets through the roof we wonder why the traffic on our roads is intolerable as it is we wonder why crime is increasing in certain areas crime is increasing but I think there were slightly different reasons for that I mean frankly we've got city can't in London and and you a few years ago had Rudy Giuliani in New York I'm a contrast between the two is astonishing so we've got some real problems here but our biggest problem is that our population is now rising by over half a million a year and we do not have the infrastructure as a nation to cope with it 80% of that population rise is directly down yeah to an immigration policy that's simply other well and I'll say the the theme that you highlighted is exactly right we're middle America as we call it or the heartland is getting boxed out by Malibu and Manhattan the coastal elite elitist urban cities one of the things that America has that the UK doesn't is we have the electoral college which still gives a good voice to those kind of states and that kind of flyover country thank you our founding fathers to have that kind of system or also would just be complete ma ba cracy and so the transition to your point is that there is no conservative party in this in this country there isn't and so I have to ask about this just from an American standpoint what are we supposed to make of all the Boris Johnson essentially inevitability let's put it doubt in it yeah essentially the Prime Minister era Paris is gonna win look Boris is lively entertaining farm makes people smile they're all good things but if you ask me what is Boris Johnson really believe even in his home I struggle to answer yeah I struggle to answer I mean he's actually a very metropolitan liberal figure in many ways however Boris did one very important thing he came out for the brexit so I heard squid random now no one knew whether he would have big speculation as to what he would do he came out with the Rex Si and he helped he really genuinely helped so he's now nailed on as a brexit ear mm-hm we're gonna have a brexit ear Prime Minister on July 22nd the question is unless he really believes in it with his heart and soul is he gonna be able to deliver it because he is gonna have to face down Parliament which is still a very globalist remain Parliament and I you know I mean this I want Boris to succeed I want Boris to succeed because I want this country free yes the shackles of this appalling bureaucracy in Brussels I want to reengage more deeply with the United States of America and many of our other friends around the world and I hope Boris does it but if you asked me straight are we gonna leave on the 31st of October which is the new big deadline that we've got I don't think so well so the if I if I could give advice from America learning from the kind of populist movement of Trump not to you but generally number one you have to hold him accountable the minute he takes office and you know that and to and the frame the the debate and number two I think Boris if he wants to pull off brexit he has to do a bilateral agreement with America within the first thirty days he achieves a bilateral agreement yet with the United States he can use that as a leverage point against the European �nicos of course of course absolutely and that is an obvious disability people of course yet for the last three years we've done precious little you know when your president was over a few weeks ago for his state visit which by the way with no and he did great he was phenom he loves you by the way the president loves you we got him pretty well yeah he's but you're a real guy you're not one of the aristocrats well no I mean I oh gosh but he's but what was interesting about talking to him when he was over is you know we've got an American president who really does have a huge admiration and respect for the British P no doubt it's real you know Obama of course didn't come to this country he always flew straight to Berlin mm-hmm because he saw Germany as being the new dominant force in this new European state but I got the impression that America actually as far as this bilateral is concerned that already a huge amount of work has been done you know bobwhite Heiser and the guys are ready to do this and yeah on our side of the pond we've hardly started yes it's pathetic yes so Boris can turn all this around but he's got to have the vision he's got to have the belief yeah and I it's it's so funny you hit it right on you hit it perfectly the entire European experiment was supposed to decentralize power control and wealth away from Germany it's and the exact opposite it's not the police officer it's made Germany the power center of the entire continent yes I mean the when the big banking crisis came in 2008 and huge tensions within the eurozone because kind of the north and south of Europe being in the same economic and military union is is pretty much impossible and that was when Germany came to the fore and it's issued before 2008 nobody ever said to me but it's a German dominated Europe since 2008 yeah no one suggested to me that it's not yeah that was the moment in a sense Sherman Germany took control of the whole thing so so playing out your experiment you don't think we're gonna exit on the 31st I hope I'm wrong but I don't believe we will and that is why what I'm doing with the brexit party yes which we launched number 12 of April so we're still very new and unbelievably it's amazing or talk about your success just for Americans that don't know so I launched the party able 12th of April because I you know I'd been involved with the brexit campaign I'd let you Kip I'd force the referendum on Cameron I'd hoped to win the referendum and to be frank with you I thought my job in politics was done you know I came into politics I didn't come into this for a career I came into this because I wanted to turn this country around one of the scale our independence back our freedom but yeah not receive back I thought I'd won but I found a happened so I launched this new party called the brexit party we won the European elections we got 50% more votes than the nearest party do you know we got double the number of votes in that election of the conservatives and labour added together and so just for the American listeners state it's a very different system there's the N Keys the members of parliament which are that they directly report to the the specific process the respective parts of the you know the four member countries of the UK and they will work on domestic yes issues and international of course but then there's the mep s-- correct members of the European and so they meet in Strasbourg does that right yeah once a month they meet together in Strasbourg and this is a parliament for all 28 member states of the European Union and what's decided they're just oh thank you everything well that's look when it comes to everything from environmental policy yes through employment protection seriously through what fish we can catch none of this decided in Westminster what you were looking at is a super government you want me an in Strasbourg yeah because this beautiful building in West MIT's wonderful Palace of Westminster it's frankly a museum Wow because the big decisions are all taken in the European institutions and that is the extent to which we've given away and transferred our so auntie doesn't what I want to get back so your listeners may pick up on one strange irony that even though I want to leave the European Union I'm going back no that's perfect I love I go back and amazingly we are now the biggest party from the whole of Europe my group is the biggest particular Europe and we have our grand opening what do they have like a today do they elect a figurehead for you to country and Strasbourg or they don't they they will elect a chairman of the whole Parliament which is nearly always a German of course we're just the way it is st. the 2nd of July is when the grand opening of this new reliant is so I'm gonna walk in there with told that's extraordinary eight other men and women well we went and like you know but I will you know I didn't just set the party up to fight the European I set this party up not just to get us out of the European Union but to completely reform British politics we we've got some wonderful history and traditions but you have to drag things into the 21st yes I do take for example we've got a House of Lords now it's all very grand you know and they wear their robes and all the rest of it but they have never been voted for they can't be removed and it's actually time we had something like an elected Senate so I'm there for junior concepts I'm there for genuine constitutional change and reform in this country but here it is we've now had four opinion polls in a row asking people how they will vote in the next general unlike when is that looking up at any time right could happen this is a snap election era detonators I've asked you four polls in a row my party is in the lead well then you could be Prime Minister with I mean it seems extraordinary so the lesson from this is very clear Boris Johnson I could be his best friend and Ally or his deadliest enemy mmm it all depends what route Boris takes and I promise you yeah Boris takes the right one loves that if Boris takes the right route I 100% what and if I could just give some advice to Boris if his listen to this will make sure he sees that I'll put it on Twitter if you begin your prime ministership is that the right way yeah trying to appease the left you will fail do what is right act with courage and conviction and then you'll be successful because if he goes and he just tries to appease labour and tries to appease essentially the Democrats who call themselves conservatives sorry I'm using American language oh that's fine then he'll he will he will assuredly fail people want Direction right now and if he does that of course he will then put himself politically yes in direct conflict with me now if he wants a fire I'll give him one but I'm saying no but I really wouldn't recommend but you have the energy right now you have the spirit oh absolutely yeah and increasingly people in the country are seeing that the brexit party are offering positive solutions yes you know and that's what they want we've had enough of all this backbiting had another three years of indecision we want to get on with this deliver brexit without a doubt all the rest of it and and for the skeptics that are listening this this breakfast it should be looked at as this amazing opportunity not and that is a burden you guys will become the financial capital again of the Western Hemisphere - America easily because if people will know that there are not the EU ties and bureaucracy here capital will flow here you have amazing institutions incredible intellectual capital if there's a choice between Britain or Berlin they people will choose Britain because Berlin is still going to have the financial obligation of the other 27 countries should it's good alliteration is always very good in politics Britain or Berlin people will choose Britain like that no it's really thrilling it's two more things I want to talk about getting so generous of your time thank you first of which is we just had a great event with turning-point UK and did you talk a minute just about how it necessary you think that is important well my country and for the youth movement I've been to a couple of your events thank you in the USA as you know and when I was with you in DC in July last year I saw the energy and the optimism of those young people in the crowd and also I realized that what you were doing in turning-point was giving young people who've been hounded for having their opinions you gave them a hope but they could at least feel a bit safer and I said to you we've got a massive gap in this country we have a thing here called The Young Conservatives they're a complete waste of time full of geeks just pointless and I said to you I really think you should come and set up TV and I executed on have you done it and I think it's fantastic and I think you're gonna grow very very quickly and I was very pleased to be there at that dinner last night I want to say this I will help you thank you I'm right behind what you're trying to do I what and if we look at labour they're feeding ground is immigrants that are being fearmonger towards and colleges and universities if we're honest with ourselves yes I mean we certainly see that in London particularly but what labour have going to them as well is virtually an entire education standards that's correct that is teaching them this stuff and jeremy corbyn's are here and and that's why two out of three young people buddy call but in the last general election we've got to do something about yeah and that's where TP UK's got a big role and you look at the similarities between labor and the American Democrat Party the American Democrat Party had their base stolen from them by Donald Trump hard working-class voters that steel mill workers coal miners kind of sound a bit like my voters to think about taxicab drivers yeah you know people that call with hard work the middle class yeah the Reagan Democrats as they go in right and Thatcher was also able to captivate these people as well and where the Republicans and where that small the Conservatives here in this country will always fail is if they look at things always through a technocratic lens oh we need more corporate tax cuts like I love corporate tax cuts great okay I can make an argument for them boss however there's a huge but there's a huge but that does not resonate with taxi cab drivers and you also have to give them policy too and look I'm a free trade guy I really I believe in all that but I'm also not a pro China guy i I mean what we have done in the West is we just think well let's destroy our steel industry because we'll get 20% less on steel you see the reason we're not having this debate and we talked about this earlier of our supply side and small we know that any size enterprises is what's happened to our politics in the last few decades is we have now got corporatism yes have capitalism none we have corporatism where a handful of multi no that's right but is control the world and no the mythical press well and if I were to describe corporatism to the audience to build off of that both the center right and the center left want about 500 approved companies then I'll donate to their campaigns where their spouses sit on the board of directors own that pay for their vacations and those are the ones that the policies are written for those 500 companies and they'll employ a somewhat substantial level of people collectively there's still not a majority of the enterprise base of what the country could be and that's where the disconnect really is we've got I mean in America we've got 5.4 million people in this country who are running their own businesses that are entrepreneurs and acting as sole traders and many of them course in new technology their individual people do your programming whatever they're very much part of the modern economy and there's literally nobody sitting on the front governmental benches in Westminster that's ever run a business that has any understanding of these people's hats for regulation regulation regulation is crushing these peoples and once we can break once we can break away from the European Union we're then away from the court yes making all of our laws we can start to give these people Harper jobs so to finally the final thing I'll talk about is this Nigel is you've done such a great job you deserve full credit of preventing labor from getting more power in this country because labor could have captivated and held on hostage some of the supporters that you have yes I mean the 2015 general election yes when I was still leading UK and there was no question that the votes we got the millions of votes we got we heard labour much that's what I'm saying absolutely absolutely and so when is the next election well I would say this to you it's not supposed to be until 2022 but that's a full-time but I would put it I would put it 50 percent it'll come this autumn Wow and it if Boris is brave if Boris he'll call an election or he will say we are leaving on the 31st of October I will not listen to all the negativity the House of Commons will refuse he will then say what if you won't support me let's see if the British people will support me I mean I mean does it he'll be a hero and he doesn't want you to win 50 plus percent correct given the way the system is anything over 40 percent he would get a majority Wow Wow he'd get up enjoy and actually do you know something if if he was an allied you know the brexit party we'd win it by that and so here here's the question I always say is what would Winston Churchill do in this situation he would easily call that snap well he was a and I would say we're leaving I mean Churchill got things wrong in his life as got things right in his life but and it's worth reflecting on this after Dunkirk you know we've got the British army back sure we've left behind our tanks we've left behind our artillery we are virtually defenseless we have a few renner of applicants but we were virtually defenseless and Churchill goes into that cabinet meeting after Dunkirk and the logical thing to do was to do a deal with Hitler just as the French had done and there were many senior figures in British politics including our foreign secretary at the time who were keen to do a deal with Hitler and Churchill said at that cabinet meeting there is no there is no surrender there is no going back and we will defend this country and then he said to them to the cabinet every one of whom had served in France in the First World War every one of whom had seen death on a scale that we can't even imagine he says of them we will defend our island even if we all have to die choking in our own blood and they sort of looked at Churchill they were quiet for a second and then they stood and they cheered now we're not facing life and death here literally but what we are facing is whether we are didn't reclaim our rightful place in the world yes as a free independent nation who countries like you respect yes or whether we're going to give up and frankly become an outer province of this European monstrosity so it's it's not life and death but it is about the future of our nation it's a crucial moment absolutely well Nigel you're a hero anyway we Americans can help you I mean I I can't wait to see what happens and if I were to predict I'm kind of in the prediction business I I hope I'm wrong Boris is gonna kowtow to the left because if he is who you say he is he's a Metropolitan liberal then I know the way these people act he's gonna get invited to the parties he's getting invited to the media coronations and he will then try to hedge on brexit which will then only further increase your support he will not call a snap election and he'll have some sort of abbreviated deal on the 31st which will further anger the base and anger the people that voted for brexit and won't end well for him I hope I'm wrong but this is the way that things always work and if I look at him I see I see us I see a weak-kneed Republican from the states I know the type of guy now I could be wrong again he seems like a nice enough person I don't want to insult him and all the I'm just like yo I'm going on the data you're giving me that's it right look and these people act in patterns fit exactly the same and because the technocratic advisors are gonna say oh we can come up with some sort of you know deal and cut a hole that we've been doing that for three years this the only way this ends is your party getting more support and more enthusiasm so don't stop I was Thank You Nigel appreciate it very much thanks