Patrick Bet-David, Charlie Kirk, and Chris Cuomo Debate Trump's Historic Election Victory and the Issues That Mattered Most

did you ever think you would make it I feel I'm so I could tast Sweet Victory I know this life me yeah why would you bet on Goliath when we got bet David value taming giv values contagious this world are entrepreneurs we get no value to ha run homie look what I become I'm the I'm the one okay it's great to have everybody here by the way I I I have two of my favorite people on today just so you guys know I like both of these guys I think both of them were very very important in the 2024 election that took place there was plenty of moments with chrispian all over the place with his commentary whether it was at the DNC calling everybody out whether it's calling out the candidates whether it's calling out whether it's being fair having a moment with j d Vance and Trump calls in every whether it's the phone call after the assassination attempt I think Chris was a mench in the 2024 election that took place it was great Watching You the work you did with news Nation phenomenal phenomenal work you guys did out there I applaud you in the group and then on Charlie Kirk I have a list and we are we are we're trying to put this list together and I need your help to see where you would put this guy because one thing about Charlie you guys got to I'm I'm going to reveal something he loves I've never met anybody in my life that loves compliments more than Charlie Charlie may be number one in compliment so if you're watching us go on Twitter give Charlie a compliment say Charlie we love you you're amazing you're this you're that but I made a list and here's what the list was the top 10 influencers in Trump getting elected in 2024 okay I have musk as one and then from there I don't have a ranking the only one that I have as one I think it's musk musk coming out and do what he did everybody else I have Tucker played a very important role with the alliance I have Dana behind closed doors doing what he did to Rally I have Rogan what he did the last week was Monumental for him to get the independent voters I have Tulsi I have Bobby I have EV I have JD vans in a big way JD played a very important role because I was a doubter myself at first I'm like you had many different options why him and then he won everybody over including myself I was I'm just being open about it I I can't believe how talented and capable he is Laura Trump I got Baron and I got Charlie and Charlie Kirk to me I have it in top 10 but I have you in my top five but I think folks over the next decade two three four five decades to come I think Charlie's going to be one of the most top three sometimes one or two most formidable voices in politics for decades to come and by the way criticize me for it say stuff but stick around you'll see what this guy's going to be doing I'm watching his Tik Tok account when he's going out there sitting with kids and challenging them and bringing other people and you're having those conversations and then uh uh the debates the conversations you're having with people that want to challenge you going to the youth people that want to do that people are waiting for them to come to himy Charlie's going to them incredible job you've done the last 12 months I gave you compliment last week and I gave it on the podcast with Laura as well it's great to have do both of you guys on the podcast today thank you nice to meet you you too man it's a first time you guys are meeting right so I just want you to know guys when before camera we're acting right now they were fighting they were cursing each other right it was the first time I heard Charlie drop the f bomb to Chris I'm like Chris Charlie hold back a little bit bro like don't bring out the gangster in you but no I'm actually being sarcastic but we're going to have a civil conversation and a debate here today while we're going through it I have a lot of issues uh that I want to cover five things you need to know about Susie WS political I want to know more you guys can educate me who is she what has she done I know the Summerall father all this stuff all the appointees all the names that's coming out right you know you got Lee zelden Marco Rubio Lisa stefanic Mike walls all these Homen you know Tom all these names that are coming out you know Steven Miller I think was even announced last night if I'm not mistaken on the policy side cabinet so I want on the policy set and I want to I want to hear all those things as we go through it Powell can Trump fire Powell Powell said I'm not stepping out no matter what happens that's another discussion and the FED must talk about that FEMA what happened over there with FEMA you know the conversations that females got to report directly to the president not to some other institution or not other we'll talk about that as well Pentagon officials discussing how to respond if Trump issues controversial orders a host uh one of the pundits on CNN responded to I want to play that clip for you young voters I want to talk about Baron I want to talk about the CNN guest clashing in a heated debate over transphobia which was very weird to me uh we'll talk about that Mark cubin apparently deleted some of his Pro Kam Harris uh uh tweets you did a phenomenal show that one night with him with Dana White with all those guys so I want your thoughts on that Bitcoin the result what's happened since Trump got elected oil industry uh Harris's campaign some numbers came out about how much they paid Beyonce how much you PID all these guys if that's true that I mean again I want to get your thoughts on that Rogan saying Harris's campaign wanted topic restrictions for interview and then few other things that Elon apparently knew way before it was done and then China issues warning to Trump anyways these are all the things that I got but listen I I wanted to make sure we take a moment to recognize somebody I think this is very important because even though Kamala lost we wanted to take a moment and create some merch on her behalf because I know it matters to her Rob if you can because listen right now it's what what is today right now it's November can you give me the date Rob it's the 12th today right thanksgiving's around the corner Christmas is around the corner there was a moment that camea was uncomfortable saying Merry Christmas you wonder to say happy holidays Rob can you play this clip go and play this clip for the audience go ahead and when we all sing Happy Tunes and sing Merry Christmas and wish each other Merry Christmas these children are not going to have a Merry Christmas how dare we speak Merry Christmas how dare we okay you can pause it right there so guess what I want to say Merry Christmas this Christmas very simple and if you are confident enough to say it as well we had a very deep deep discussion because not everybody that works here is Christian say listen guys we want to create merge that's very bold that says mer Christmas with maybe some scripture in it let's see if we have an audience for it Pat I don't know if it's a good idea and all this other stuff that's what I stand for you want it great you don't want it I totally get it but if you're watching this and you want to get a Merry Christmas hat you go to Starbucks and you got the S I just want to see the reaction he's smile you go to work you got a Merry Christmas he you got to take that hat off right hey you you want another hat here you want some of the ugly sweaters that we have here Rob can you show some of the stuff that we got here you want to get some of the stuff for your kids shirt future looks bright Merry Christmas gear is officially here and if you're bold enough to do it and order it and again you place any orders of this we're going to put some future looks bright ornaments in the order for you limited edition custom that we have for the first 100 that place the order if you're bold enough and you're comfortable going out there telling people Merry Christmas and you're a value tainer that believes the future looks bright go place an order and let's make some people uncomfortable or comfortable this Christmas with saying Merry Christmas have a said that let's get right into it Charlie and by the way we can go to VT mer to place the order I'm coming to you first it's the night everyone's doing the live you call in I say Chris where you at I think it's over rasmuson Mitchell calls in I think it's over right the moment that you knew it was over there's a clip of you right and if you want to play this clip Rob on what happened here I see this clip I loved it because it's so organic and you don't want to do it but it's just happening and your and your team caught it Rob can you play this clip of uh Charlie reacting to the results news decides Donald Trump is president of the United States we've got our Republic back folks let's go there it is everybody should remember this moment look I'm going to I'm going to Echo Charlie from earlier remember where you were when this happened remember where you were when you realized that the uni party and all these you know just the establishment you said it's time to actually participate and look what you guys have done and if anyone deserves to get tears in his eyes it's Charlie I think we all agree think er something the the break no one has worked harder than we got we got to we got to hear some words here from you Charlie you put all this together my man let's hear it I am just humbled by God it's all God it's all God God Alone God Alone can pause it Charlie what's going through your mind yeah well um from uh from January 2021 to that moment uh we we we dedicated our entire life to get Donald Trump back to the White House I want to people who remember the context of that that was after January 6 Donald Trump was basically in political Exile and we we dug out of what would be the greatest political hole in modern American history and especially this last year and a half everything was just coming through me from not just how hard the President worked but how hard we worked I mean we traveled the country non-stop didn't see my family did events in every corner president was facing 700 years in federal prison they tried to take his business Empire away from him and then of course he got shot and nearly shot again at the golf course and there was this kind of feeling as like are are is this possible are we gonna do this and you know going into election night we're almost built in with kind of this paranoia that there's there's no way this is actually going to materialize and I I believe it was a God thing I believe that it's God shining as Grace on this great country and is just just overwhelmed in that moment still it still really hasn't set in to be honest uh Charlie to to the average person that's watching this we know some of the stories that have come out from the moment it was announced that he's won what events have taken place the last few days I'm talking Qatar Hamas what events have taken place just in the first week well it's incredible and by the way I've been at marago helping with some of the transition stuff too which I'm sure we'll get into but I mean just just number one a caravan has already broke itself up uh coming to on the US Southern border uh Qatar has told Hamas you're no longer welcome uh in in in the you know as kind of a vacation spot for terrorist hotbed uh the European Union has announced that they are now going to buy LG liquefied natural gas from America not from Russia any longer um we're also seeing uh a an attempt at least of conversation to end the Russian Ukrainian War we've seen Bitcoin hit an all-time high at 87,000 uh the market has a huge surge largely just based on the confidence I think it's also hit an all-time high largely based on Trump's Victory and this is all just not these these things are signals Bas they're they're effects based on signals of the president basically saying I'm coming back and we're going to fix this thing and we're we're not going to allow business as usual to continue so quo for you for you I mean we've been talking for you know year two years regularly hey what do you think about this what do you think about that going in at what point were you're like this is over this guy's going to be winning well look I we had the benefit of decision desk HQ um you know uh that is a very formidable tool the the differentiator in the media was not the basis of information for making the call I think it was about preference for some nobody's in a rush to call an election pet because there's very little upside to being first for instance in the clip Charlie's listening or the the group is listening and they say Fox News we called it first but he's listening to Fox so when fox says it that's what there's not a real big upside to being first what's relevant to make you just don't want to be wrong okay that's that's why guys when when the momentum was hitting you during your event which is Amazing by the way and I love that it came off as successfully as it did it was a really important thing we need more of those um they said slow down but you're like but how much of the vote is still out slow down there's no reason for us to be wrong so that's usually The Guiding that said I believe Outlets waited to call the race because they didn't want Trump to win and news Nation didn't have a preference so we just wanted it to be right and I did have a special interest in it being over I think a fair appraisal is I wasn't worried about what would happen if Trump won in terms of how the Democrat would react I was worried about how Trump would react I was worried that there were a lot of people who said but the polls were so close and I'm sure that there's a chance that he would have said something provocative and then who knows where we would have gone did you expect it to be the Lance light victory that no and I love that now everybody's explaining why it happened how it happened it's so easy after the fact um look the polls weren't wildly off he just won by a small margin in a lot of areas and she underperformed the reason Trump won was because the democ you know other than the themes and all the stuff that we can talk about the ideas behind the motivation the Democrats underperformed now they'll argue with me no he didn't because Trump may have won but we won this Senate race and we won all this well look you lost the Senate you lost the house you lost the White House that's underperforming okay any way you want to look at it so I didn't know I had said for months I believed it was Trump's race to lose and I worded it that way on purpose because it was a grievance election it's about how people felt about their pocketbooks and overlays of how they felt about uh cultural norms so in that environment it's harder for an incumbent and she was a compromised incumbent now I said it was his to lose not Trump's going to win not cuz I was sitting on the fence because Trump is such a polarizing figure that he could have overwhelmed the momentum of the movement behind him but he didn't and he won so I wasn't surprised I mean for you as a big Trump supporter yourself were you happy with the results I was happy that there was a definitive quick result I am not a fan would we be would we be surprised yeah if we knew who you voted for would we be surprised if we could see who you voted for I probably shouldn't tell you but I can tell you who I voted for you want to know yeah I voted for my brother I wrote him in are you joking no 100% 100% I'll show you the picture here we'll verify it in real time are you joking no no no I'm not joking he didn't win by the way did you really vote for I'll show you I'll show you why well you know who your brother voted for he showed it as well get out of here can I show this huh Can I show no cuz I think it might have been illegal that I took a picture so let's just pretend it Happ it never happen I'm looking at his picture beautiful your daughters look great by the way in that picture but look I was really what I was happy about was that it ended and that it was definitive but why don't you vote for Kam why don't you vote for Kamala listen I your brother voted for Kamala uh he's a Democrat so he does what he does my feeling is this America can do better than these two candidates does he know you voted for him yeah you told him yeah what did he say to you you wasted your vote did he say something like that or no no he just you know was like yeah that's what he say New York who cares like it doesn't matter was it kind of like that or uh yeah no he just was like you know yeah he had he had other things he wanted to talk about but look the the point for me is I'm not a trump fan okay um and I'm not a Democrat uh I think this country can do better I I think that the the movement behind Trump is very real it's been disrespected uh and I think that's problematic for America I just think we can do better I don't fault Charlie for campaigning and believing in Trump I don't I think it's very healthy for the Democracy um I don't have problems with people who see him as a problem and wanted somebody else I get it I get it uh to me I just believe the choices are beneath the standard of American leadership I think we have way better people to pick from let me let me ask a question for Charlie for you you've been in this sport for a while the sport of politics and it is a sport let's face it it's very competitive and sometimes the way it compet it's not a touchdown it's events right how have you for somebody that's been in the space viewed the evolution he may not say this but from the viewer side from Cuomo 10 years ago 8 years ago 6 years ago four years ago two years ago today well I think it's awesome I mean I don't really care what Chris koma's politics are I think that it takes someone who loves truth to go to the DNC and remind the viewers that all those boxes up there are bought by corporate Titans I thought that was really good and look I I think that I I I don't know very well but it seems as if Chris has a knack actually do what journalists used to do increasingly so and I mean you had this great video that someone sent me where you explained why Trump people were voting for Trump and they wanted to hire somebody for a dirty job I'm paraphrasing but I thought that was really smart and look I don't expect everyone in media to go vote for Donald Trump I actually think it's awesome you didn't vote for Kamala Harris which is super refreshing because that's like the automatic um entry point right yeah um um but look I I I don't want to get into Chris Cuomo's career there are some things during covid I certainly didn't love but that that is what it is however Chris I think it's great that you came out and you talked about the vaccine that it didn't necessarily deliver on its promises I thought that was um I thought that was terrific well absolutely didn't you know but thank you for doing that because so many people would hold back on that because they're afraid of being called all these terrible names look I get it and and I do believe you know there are some risks you know one of the reasons I'm a big fan of Pat I do I just love you as a guy and to me that's kind of the end of the analysis because just everything else just doesn't matter as much you know when you see someone and Pat talks about this a lot I haven't seen you with your wife I haven't seen you with your kids I haven't seen you with your people but once I get a a feel for you there everything else is kind of secondary you know it's like well you know it can be as weird as like Jets Patriots you know well he grew up in a place where they were jets fans so you know he just likes to lose you know you know everything becomes secondary and what my my concern is for what we're doing is I don't believe there's any evolution in self any more than just natural you know now you know I'm the Ghost of Christmas future for you you know you're uh in your early 30s I'm in my early 50s you know this is what happens um to you you just keep evolving and changing my concern is that we've become so sensitive to the criticism and the gotas it's become such a commodity that what I love about what he's doing at Value tment is that there are a number of people who will tune in Charlie Kirk Chris Cuomo thinking that like I'm going to try to lift you over my head at some point you know and I get that that's a commodity but I also think it's really toxic to us because every time they do a poll of real people we know what they say seven out of 10 of them say they share common interests where's that you don't make money off that on social media but that's what we need to get back to it's not fair like there are people blowing me up right now I guarantee it my phone's probably getting hot you normalize Charlie Kirk you normalize Pat well first of all who's to say that they're not the normal ones and they're normalizing me right so and what is wrong with sitting with people and talking about where you agree where you disagree and why by the by the way this is the part I don't know the folks at news Nation you always speak very highly of camera on or off the fact that you're talking vacine that is also part that he can do it while you're representing a news Nation so kudos to them where maybe you couldn't do it being at a different Outlet now you may defend them now and say yeah I could still do it at CNN etc etc I don't know if during that time they would have let that you know news nation is different okay the guys who own it are much more transparent it's a public company Star right yeah a nextstar oh that's right and uh they are much more transparent in terms of how they feel about things but they do give me more leeway with the brand see the difference is it's not that and you know you don't have to agree but I was there and it wasn't that CNN it's like you had a meeting like this they told me what to say um that's not what it was but the brand was bigger than you it was more an email yeah was it was it was in the corner it was it was the brand was bigger than you so you had to respect the fact that you can't come on and say Hey you know I had a good time talking to Charlie Kirk we don't agree about some stuff I don't know why he says some things he doesn't know what and you know that's what it was he's got cute kids it that would have been like you know uh you got to be careful cuz now you're speaking for all of CNN but let me look I will tell you I think the the day the show that you did with news Nation with Dana Cuban all those guys I think that was successful I think I think getting all that was the model and you know you know I want love that model I wanted you involved in that I'm a big booster of yours because I believe that and you know it's not about what your political aspirations are and the stupid rule that you know you could can't be president cuz you didn't live here I mean I if there was one thing that I could change you know it might not matter to people but it does to me in a nation of immigrants you know you can't be one and be president it's kind of weird but but you have an organic following because of what you've achieved in your life then you have another level to your following because of what people resonate with in you as a person then comes your politics that is what we need more of I respect that this guy did it oh I kind of I Vibe with him with how he is oh and yeah I think those ideas make sense that's what we got to get back to now it's inverted it's inverted yeah but but but the market is speaking the market Rob can you pull up Kirk's a Tik Tok account if you just pull up Kirk's Tik Tok account do you dance a lot on the Tik Tok very rarely if you pull up his Tik Tok I just want I just want to show this real quick the Tik Tok story is crazy and I want you to talk about this Rob just do me a favor let's go through some of the clips okay all right so 10 million you go to popular it's the best way to because this is all recent election go to the right go all the way to the right okay so check this out look at this here zoom in a little bit Rob if you could 49 50 million let's be honest 50 million 37 keep going 138 226 23 keep going Rob this is just the last 22 217 236 20 20 164 go the low 92 85 143 60 million views on a daily basis okay while you're going through this now Charlie there's Instagram that's a different audience there's YouTube different audience you got radio yep syndicated different audience you got Rumble different audience X different audience Tik Tok when you're in the streets or you go places and people say I watch your stuff on radio I I watch your stuff I listen to your stuff and I watch you on YouTube I watch you on Instagram how often do you hear Tik Tok Tik Tok is 80% of the unbel you know I hang out in the streets a lot that's what I'm no let me say let me say a couple things on Tik Tok blown away by this and look we do a lot on social we do a lot on podcasting and praise God the podcast is doing really well so we were trying to get by the way he's being moded it's a top five podcast on Apple and Spotify right now while we're speaking right now if you look at him he's top five apple and top five Spotify please continue thank you yeah and so we a we've been trying to get on Tik Tok for a while and Tik Tok had a censorship regime that was very sensitive to topics that we would discuss on campus and we kind of just said forget it well it's interesting and I whole theory that October 7th was the event that led to the end of the Democrat Party and I could lead it through four or five different examples and I I think Chris would actually agree with this because it's just an objective analysis not a partisan one and the the buried lead of the October 7th was that it it got Tik Tok banned and remember the Tik Tok ban stalled based on just China concerns but Tik Tock was the The Hub of a lot of the anti-israel sentiment that was brewing with Gen Z and all of a sudden the Tik Tok ban got uh resurfaced Mitt Romney said at a security conference we are Banning Tik Tok because it is sewing anti-israel sentiment in the United States so Tik Tok gets banned and our team we had this idea like hey Tik Tok is in a place where they don't want to get banned with an incoming Administration let's send out a tweet saying hey guys let's do one more chance if you treat us fairly we'll become Tik tok's like biggest right-wing fan right and I will talk and they reached out and they were great they said the here are our rules we will uh transparently enforce them again they they're very very sensitive you talk about trans stuff it's like incredibly right even if you do it diplomatically and we said great so uh again this is all transparent it's all public there's no like back room deal and so we started posting my old College discussions there because I've been doing this for 12 years where we just have open dialogues and we started to get five million views a day 6 million views a day and 10 million views a day and so over the summer I said well what if this El season I do like 25 campus stops and we kind of create these open a discussions and they might go viral especially on Tik Tok that could influence a lot of people to view the election the way obviously I want them to view it and yeah look on Tik Tock alone it was a billion views in 90 days it's like 60 to 80 million views a day and I that sounds like a number but all of a sudden here's what was amazing it was the most effective way I ever reached the working class in my career the muscular class janitors waiters waitresses Uber drivers police officers firefighters even more so than YouTube and and Instagram for whatever reason something about Tik Tok really reaches people that Donald Trump was trying to win 10 or 15% more of and final thought I'll make on this it's the most diverse audience that I would I'm talking about black Hispanic um Asian young and I'll just tell tell one story I was in Vegas about to speak and there were a bunch of you know waiters and waitresses coming up asking for pictures all Hispanic all Asian-American Pacific Islander that saw me on Tik Tok and they're like thank you you connected dots I think and it is a form of entertainment what we do on Tik Tok because it's ideas that are kind of colliding and so PR praise God if you would have told me a year ago that we'd have like one of the largest Tik toks out there in conservative media and all politics I would have said no way but it and we can go whatever Direction you want uh Pat but I believe without the horror and the tragedy on October 7th and the events that came subsequent um I I I don't know if we would have had the success on Tik Tok that we did there's a there's a story that came out Rob if you can oh there it is so it's a Wall Street Journal story a few days ago young voters helped fuel Trump's win okay so and this was kind of interesting because one day I get a call from Vanity Fair and they're asking me about what do you think about the fact that Baron Trump is getting all these podcast Bros for his father to get on and what do you think about that strategy and all this I said you're talking as if it's a bad idea on what he's doing I'll read this to you young voters helped Trump fuel Trump's win Trump's win included a 14-point lead among men under 30 a drastic 30-point shift from 2020 when Biden had a 15-point lead for women under 30 Harris Harris led by 18 points a drop from 32 points in 2020 nationally 16% of Voters were under 30 up from 133% so three plus in 2020 with Harris's support among them shrinking to just six six points over Trump 52 to 46 economic issues dominated young voters concerns with 39% of young women and 42% of young men prior prioritizing jobs in the economy Trump's campaign reach young voters through college events Tick Tock they're talking about you right here and popular podcast following advice from his son Baron who recommended appearance on platforms such as Aiden RZ drawn hundreds of thousands of views now Aiden sure gamer all this stuff but a lot of this if I was to hear someone for example celebrity gets on oh wow he was on Aiden great oh my God he was on Logan Paul and Mike m great sure influence yeah I can't believe Logan had him on I get it Jake actually broke down a 32-minute video to explain why he's voting I think that translates you get young voters to say that's right that doesn't make any sense what are you talking about this doesn't make any sense Chris again the sport of politics how big you're in this space you've been in it your entire life your father's a two-term governor your brother's a governor so it's not like you how big of a deal was this for young voters to flip like this and be inspired to come out and vote for Trump so so one of the rules in politics is do everything do everything be in yes mode go everywhere you can talk to anyone you can uh that has become less and less popular as people seek their Silo right now again this is also evidence of underperformance I'll start with saying bro vote to me I don't think is coming from a good place by the way I don't I don't think we got to talk about that defining it as bro vote I I see is what does that mean what does bro vote mean to you to to me I see it as a way of diminishing um what resonates with young men and I think it's a continuation of a very overt intentional strategy of bringing down young men I don't get that blaming them bro is to me it's D it's it's oh you think it's a pejorative oh yeah I think it's I okay okay and I'm okay with it I I don't I don't see is called Bros I get called that you know I'm 54 years old you know and I see so you think when people label that they're they're trying to use it as a oh yeah because because it's never one of them I got it so when when they say these bro podcasts he's going on like almost like why would you waste your time getting on those it's an and it's a disrespect it's an extension of how how people in the media not to speak for a whole group obviously but you never hear anything good about Joe Rogan except his reach Now do do I see Rogan as any kind of functional equivalent to either of you guys no cuz you're thought leaders I may not agree with your thoughts I may not uh you know I may not want to Echo your thoughts but you're thought leaders Joe has an amazing platform that you got to give him credit for having where he has guys like you on it that's that's the appeal his audience is not Independence his audience breaks right and that's fine that's fine but to be a pejorative and say these Bros like somehow it's bad to have young men wanting to vote for you I think is a mistake Trump did what you're supposed to do he went everywhere so should have Harris was Rogan going to be the same uh situation for her as for him no but that's the way it is you know when When Donald Trump at some point decides to come on news nation and sit down it's not going to be like he's sitting down with Newsmax or Fox News but you take it the audience gets where you are he love it he'll love it though that's the thing that he likes to be challenged if it's done from a good place and good Faith was he invited oh yeah no as long as as all the cheap shots though he likes it I agree although he likes he likes to deliver a cheap shot by the way fair enough but I think I think you'd do a good job if you and if you came from a perspective of you want to make sure the American people have Clarity on what he believes right my my point is look I think he needs to sit down here's my feeling about it okay let's move on the Democrats have to process the Republicans had to process in the midterms process figure it out out figure out what you want don't get overwhelmed with blaming things uh as as some kind of Battle of agendas which is what the left is doing but that's their problem we have to be focused forward Trump should be talking about what he's going to do all the time can I stay on this topic I want to stay on this topic and I want to get your expertise on this topic so the reason why I'm talking young voters we're staying here with the young voters topic is I watch you know Super Bowl like right now it pisses me off that the Cincinnati Bengals are three and five and they've won most they've lost most of their games by less than a touchdown whatever 3534 Tom tells me their quarterbacks suck and I'm like okay he's a number one quarterback right now in yardage touch down to interception I think he number one or number two in that but they're three and five and they're not the way they're playing right now they're not going to do anything major now in NFL you could still make it to the playoffs and you could still be formidable later on it's all about momentum but one could watch a game and it could say well the differentiated in 2024 is XYZ it's the running game as is NBA Cleveland Cavs are off to a 120 record it doesn't matter when it comes on to the plaza in politics right now a lot of events happened last 12 months I remember a year and a half ago I'm bringing guests here and we're having different conversations and a lot of people were still disantis they were even uncomfortable to be Pro Trump I would go to events and guys were kind of like whoa you got to be comfortable you know don't be too Pro Trump because you're even losing the conservative vote this was about a year and a half two years ago that was happening so you have to kind of be like ah relax a little bit when you're being 22 two yeah in primary mode bring it down a little bit right but then in the last 12 months specifically if this is a sport in the last 12 months to both of you guys what would you say were the defining moment where it flipped and by the way I'm not expect I I'd like to see one from both of you guys but also reasons for example Bobby's walkout okay we hosted that event I remember that that was uh that was turning I remember was an aist or was it a no but come on if you see those kind of kind of pyrot Technics you know who's your a is insane yeah so but but that that that's that's that's that doesn't come xne Hilo that's well you you you come on Pat you know that's a turning point you realize we've been in the business of doing events for a while and I would expect nothing less from a guy like you I've been at your event I see you in the back the guy works like 24/7 at his event running the whole show he's phenomenal but Bobby coming out that Alliance Tulsi musk coming out musk's 2.1 billion impression on X Rogan's podcast assassination attempt the the younger voter going out there getting the Tik Tock folks if you were to say a few of the events in 2024 that led to Trump making the greatest comeback of all time what would you say that was I I I I have to pick a couple uh the first of which was Elon Musk purchasing of Twitter and and I believe that for many reasons because it allowed for you put that as one yes I I think I agree I think I agree I do I do and the reason being is that you saw a national popular vote tilt a certain way which is indicative that the entire country is consuming information differently right this was not just a regional tilt it's not just that Trump ran a better campaign in Pennsylvania which he did it's not just that we chased more votes in Arizona which we did it's that the whole country is consuming information that makes them view things differently now you could say oh because it's inflation all that sort of but national public polling shows that there was this moment where the country started to care more about immigration the country started to care more about what's happening in Ukraine public attitudes were changing and I believe that is because we had a platform that finally allowed freedom of speech because all the other ones were clamping down on it so I think that's number one uh and then number two I think it would be the indictments of Donald Trump starting which when the rubic was crossed when Alvin Bragg indicted Donald Trump in New York for this ridiculous just concocted pile of garbage that no one could explain and Donald Trump was then viewed correctly as a martyr by his supporters and a sympathetic figure to the people who couldn't afford groceries and for a a regular person the equation the formula was built I can't afford stuff that I used to and the guy I've been told to hate is now facing prison time that that doesn't make sense to me and so then what happened is that regular everyday people would go turn on the networks they say Okay help me understand this MSNBC help me because a lot of people would give the benefit of the doubt they said okay and they heard nothing but he's a Nazi he's a threat to democracy and he must be locked up and regular people didn't buy that and then where did they go pbd X to Twitter and they saw a different story and so I could keep on going and then finally the day what day did Elon Musk endorse Donald Trump July 13th the day that Donald Trump got shot in Butler Pennsylvania and I I believe the hand of God was on Donald Trump I really do I believe that it was one it was one millimeter that you know saved his life but then Elon Musk going all in you know this I mean I I I I'm read elon's book The Walter Isaacson won it's unbelievable he he's like a laser beam when Tesla's not hitting it's objectives he sleeps on the floor of the Tesla fact the gigafactory until it's done if the Rockets aren't getting up on time he dedicates his whole life if he wants Donald Trump to go to the White House what did he do he lived in Pennsylvania for 45 days straight and dedicated his fortune his time his energy like a laser beam nothing else mattered and when you had that kind of focus from obviously the highest capacity person on the planet coupled with Donald Trump you're you're talking about a a force multiplier the likes of which that literally in my opinion saved civilization Chris what would you say I like the phrase uh Force multiplier uh that's absolutely what social media is I agree with your analysis about people uh using social media as much as any media now uh now there's a problem with that because social media is not as reliable uh on a lot of levels um Independent Media uh depends on the outlet uh what the vetting is what the structure is but yes that was a big factor the social media component of the dialogue is very important um Chris Wallace leaving CNN to go start a podcast and like people saying oh this is a watershed moment well no it is depends what he does with his podcast and by he's probably not going to do very well but I'm saying right because it could Fade Into because what it has done very well well Fringe and dissenting voices have done very well in that space Fringe don't as a pejorative not as a prora uh people on the outside of the spectrum of thought correct um non-main Party People yes okay so what do I think if I had to pick it and I get why you mitigate it because it's more than this but if I have to pick a pivot point it was the inflation narrative because what happened was the left got caught in a space of trying to convince you that you weren't paying more for things and that that wasn't really a problem and that's a very tricky space I would have a famous conservative come on every week named Bill O'Reilly and his analysis would be begin and end with the gas pump and the grocery store and I say yeah but what about the he said gas is higher than it was groceries are higher rent mortgage higher there's your nut that's your nut and we haven't even included uh health care costs yet which also went up so when all of those things are worse now and they're telling you that the guy where they were better is the problem doesn't compute that's what I thought was a big pivot point and of course there are hundred other things that went into it Jordan Peterson's right there's never a single Factor explanation for a complex situation um that to me but we can pinpoint causes set in motion for sure um she they couldn't get away from that reality let me let me ask this question Rob can you pull up the one clip on CNN where this guy is explaining men competing in women's sports for for me I think one of the things but based on this prompt this was prompted based on what you guys are saying right now one of the things is how terrible the argument of the left was for the last four specifically four years it's been bad for eight years but four years was a little bit ridiculous so I'm watching this thing here I'm like okay CNN you know they're having a conversation about who to blame and this guy is making a very very logical logical last night I'm at the uh training with my son in a Soaker it's 9:00 I'm there with the two trainers one guy comes up up who's a agent he's here from London and another guy who's a guy that played for Miami and in Miami and he's not some else we're stand there talking guy comes up to me he's on the tennis field he says I know this voice I said yeah he said you're you're Patrick I said I am he says you know I watch you all the time I said that's great he says we know I don't agree with you I said really yeah I said tell me who you voted for you said I voted for Kamala I said really tell me why you voted for Kamala says well I just think Trump you know he's just like he's got the TDS I'm like okay fine but when it came to family he's talking to me with his three-year-old son on his shoulder and in this argument right here you lose that guy where that guy sits there and says I don't agree with this guy Rob can you go and play this clip the fames out there who don't believe boys should play girls Sports they're not boys I'm not going to listen to trans phob at this table I am not going to list you call a trans girl a boy me to my when you use word I'm going to interrupt not how it is not I'm not going to sit there for a second because I look this is a really heated issue right and Sh Michael I know you I know that you understand that people have different views on this so what I think out of respect for Jay like try to talk about this in a way that is respectful so let me rephrase this since I'm being targeted here I I don't it's okay you are not being I'm specifically saying that I know that you are not intending to be trans call want give you so the way regular people interpret it people not regular people there's no consensus that these are actually boys this whole thing about trans girls is is a Canard if we're talking about a tiny tiny sliver of the population anding that my point in terms hold on just get to your point my point in terms of its Effectiveness regular people with children look at these things and they say you know what this is a bit too far I do not agree with this I don't like this I think Democrats are going way too much to the left on social issues exhibit believe that a lot of families believe that you may disagree with that reality but that's why Republicans kept running Those ads over and over and because they saw the metrics suggested that they In Those ads over and over again using r like you just use saying this is boys playing girl Sports so Charlie you've not seen it so reaction go ahead I mean but rarely are you able to then see the contention and the point proved in one clip so shermichael is saying you know one of the reasons why Democrats are failing is because boys are in women's sports and the guy then says no no no you have to stop doing that not he was doing realtime speech police realtime thought Interruption of a very valid point by the way that shermichael is making and yes let's just be very legitimate here there are men in female sports just ask rly games it is happening every single day it's happening at the biggest possible level it's happening even at the Olympics it's happening all across the board and this is something that Donald Trump's most effective political advertisement in this cycle and Susie WS deserves such credit for this and her entire team because they trust their Instinct there was a two part it was a two sequence ad it was they did A and B the first one is where they showed KLA Harris sitting down with a trans activist in California where she was bragging that illegals got uh taxpayer funded gender reassignment surgery I mean just like such and bragging about it then they ran another ad of Charlemagne from The Breakfast Club reacting to that and basically saying KLA Harris is for they them Donald Trump is for you and they went all in on that ad now what is it about that ad of all the stuff I saw that on the Yankees game I saw that on the playoffs game it was everywhere hold on a second I got to disagree a little bit with Bill O'Reilly here B what you said it wasn't just groceries and gas because the Trump campaign spent $75 million on a non-grocery and gas because the the the that ad struck down to a cord that was kamla Harris's weakness she is this radical ideologue from California who will Pander to foreigners not Americans with the most wild abstract left-wing ideas and then Incorporated in that oh by the way um she's also for they them so anyone who's dealing with that kind of HR policing in the the corporate life it's kind of a little trigger and they even said in the ad that Kamala supports men in female sports I mean it hit all the points in 30 seconds and what did you just say pbd where did they place that at the Brilliance of the Trump campaign they only ran it on NFL football and the World Series and M dominated media they didn't run that on Lifetime and that's why Donald Trump did historically well with young male voters yeah look the you know this is a this is a complex situation it resonates easily uh you having a black guy say it Charlemagne the God was of uh was a force multiplier uh in that regard as well uh but look the Democrats lost because they underperformed all right that is a really important thing to remember because what does that tell you it tells you it didn't they didn't get their people out when you look at where Trump grew he grew obviously with people who didn't vote for him before so something changed in this election that made people stay home and some of them who did go out went out for him uh I think the economics are a big part of that of course I'm not I'm just saying that's an example it's not complete picture though this here's my problem with this issue and and I welcome this I say all the time you're not going to get a lot of parents to vote for you when you say it's okay that a guy my size is playing girls volleyball in high school um they don't like the idea okay does it happen a lot no does it happen yes obviously we're talking about it I am worried though that there is an offset on the issue which is what happens most with the lgbtq plus Community you forgot IIA a IIA I have a problem with that I get yelled at for this all the time Spirit whatever it is okay I'm okay with all of it you got you got to get the whole thing I know because I get yelled at when I don't but I'm not missing it on purpose okay my point is this what happens to them most it's so totalitarian well it is because if you miss the acronym you're a hater that's right that and that's a mistake but but two things can be true at once what happens to that Community most is that they're discriminated against and I'm worried about the the gay kid the trans kid that is living in a real profound state of fear and people are hurting them that that happens a lot now is the correction what you talking about Chris Listen People Target those people and they get bullied Target Christians too people get bullied because they're fat and overweight or they talk funny true but more with these kids and I'm just worried about what you do to them I agree with the argument males in female sport is doesn't make any sense but in this context Chris it's only trans he's not talking about gor lesbian I know this two-minute video the guy is saying when you start putting men competing in women sports the guy comes out uh uh Jay correct them saying you can't have trans yeah don't call them boys he just trans girls and then to top it off the host defends this argument and then tells him to pump the brakes yeah and he's like what so so to me what happens here is the following what percentage of CNN viewership is going to be Democrat let's say 80% 70% whatever the number is yeah it's going to it's going to be in the 40s but it's okay it's going to it's going to be a plurality it's not a majority I think it's going to be more liberals than Republicans that w well a lot of people watch it at the airport they calculated that way so people by the way but watch this but watch this I'm saying it brings up the average but meaning the audience that goes to CNN is that audience right you know what happens how many of the guys that are sitting there saying bro I've been voting Democrat my entire life what the I don't agree with this and imag imagine imagine a moment where you're sitting there you and your wife are in the kitchen honey uh uh food's ready okay babe and you s there goes so how was your day today and then you hear this guy yeah I get it and you watching like I get it I've never heard anybody make a different case I've never heard anybody say to me why it's okay that you would have a male be uh competing against females I totally get it if they continue this way though Chris if they continue this way the the argument the argument when you're presenting and the method of you trying to gain the voters when you do things like that you lose in a major way which by the way this is the commercial Charlie was talking about Rob if you want to play the clip just just to be clear this would they went all in on this app 75 million bucks and I have a thought afterwards go ahead Rob supports taxpayer funded sex changes for prisoners surgery um for prisoners for prisoners every transgender inmate in the prison system would have access I don't want my taxpayer dollars going to that comma supports transgender sex changes in jail with our money Kamala even supports letting biological men compete against our girls in their Sports Kamala is for they dim president Trump is for you I'm Donald J Trump and I approve this message can I just can I say something though there there has been this consensus by some that the culture War should be away from politics and the culture War loses elections this this advertisement as studied Now by three different firms as the most effective ad is is against that theory which is that the culture War actually gave Donald Trump the ad the get Edge now Chris I'll also say that ad probably was also why some black young black men stayed at home maybe right because the Trump campaign deserves credit for at least saying communicating to the audience look KL is not worthy your vote and it really dampened down enthusiasm how many young black men in Detroit were excited to go vote for K if they feel as if she wants to go put men in female sports you see what I'm saying it's just I totally get it and that is a rule of politics I believe culture wars have always been part of politics and um so the idea that it's separate it apart I don't agree that it ever was but it certainly isn't now but can it be effective I think it can be 100% I mean look he doesn't win with without it I mean in this race the economics uh mattered as well in 2016 he was a purely cultural proposition and it worked so there empirically we're we're on the same side with this look here's my concern with the here's why I don't like this okay I'll put it that way I totally agree with the premise okay and I think that the manifestations of it that they were putting out there are even more effective than the sports one that everybody gets access to a sex change in prison that even illegal migrants get access that bothers your sense of rightness okay of Justice no of justice of fairness under law um to me those are more powerful than the guys my size playing high school or that guy was like twice my size that was in the commercial uh playing with girls why because that doesn't happen that much the other two but Chris it it happens more than you think but even if it only happens a little it's an affront to our sense of justice as well right I mean cuz I get it and it is a tactic used by some not you oh it's not happening that much but hold on when an injustice occurs at the highest for example the NCAA swimming Championship you know you know what I'm saying it doesn't take many it doesn't take or at the Olympics or right now there the story that was cooking before the election the San Jose State volleyball team all these teams are forfeiting I me that is at the highest levels of the NCAA and so yeah I mean look it's it's we don't we don't know the to the exact rapidity that it is happening but even if it happens once at an NCAA Championship level I get it now where I had more of a problem with this is the Immigrant crime issue because uh to me like on this one I get because it's a value play on The Immigrant crime thing I was like hey you don't have to make boogey men out of them there people are already um very wary of them our crime problem in this country is not IM imant motivated illegal immigrant motivated um I don't think you have to exaggerate things the truth is often enough the southern border is a night mayor the Democrats allowed it to stay that way and actually exacerbated the problem that's enough my complaint with Trump was you don't have to demonize the people who are coming over here the truth is enough for you but would you acknowledge that them coming over they committed a crime oh yeah well so then they're Criminal by definit I know but they're definitionally I know but that's juicing the statistic he's talking about raping murdering we can get to that but there is something to be said that if I just like show up in your living room Uninvited it's absolutely wrong unless somebody is chasing you across the border with a gun your life is Je otherwise crime you know that's not happening right it's it's a crime it's almost always economic and it is always a crime to enter illegally no question about it what you do about it is what we should be talking about not not here but I mean you know we should be talking about what do you do how are you going to do it and getting it done fair or unfair in politics certain stories and narratives will end up defining a race with Georgia W bush in 1988 it was the Willie Horton ad against caucus Donald Trump to a lesser extent had stories like lakan Riley who was brutally murdered in Athens Georgia or Rachel morren who was hunted down in a hiking trail by by an illegal alien a mother of I think of four four kids and so like those stories aren't misrepresentations they're they're real things that happened and again what is the vibe because the commo is talking about Vibes a lot that Trump played into is that you guys are not doing well and for whatever reason we're allowing all these people in an unregulated fashion and it again what does it get back to this is was Trump's Brilliance that ad the immigration question it's an affront to our instinctive God built godb built programmed Attunement of justice of right or wrong people say that's not right when you can find an issue where it's hard for people to disagree with the position you're in a very good space you know you and immigration you know it's it's been on poll preferences before but it's never been like a main thing the way it has the last couple of cycles and I think that that has been a huge differentiator that has been beneficial to the right slash Trump which is really that far-left explanation of open borders you know you it's very hard to find a Democrat who's in power who's in favor of an open border but the perception that well Trump had this set of rules you came in and you got rid of all of them because they were his and you did nothing to replace it to deal with the problem and it all got worse on your watch it's really hard with anybody to disagree with that it's demonstrably true and then the issue because it's politics and it was made into a powerful n narrative became really important to everybody and everybody and and um Governor um was St uh Texas governor AB you got to put him on your list and I should have thought of him him sending illegal migrants to other states was a genius political move you can talk about the humanity of it but because now it made these other populations look at New York City we never talked about that record it wasn't just because of Abbott Joe Biden and the DHS also they do flights out from the ports of Entry right so it wasn't just Red State Governors right but he did with an intentionality there there was there was some political there some political theatrics to it however the policy of the Department of Homeland Security is that you go to a port of entry and we will give you a flight to 30 cities of you're choosing and so it did nationalize the immigration question yeah and I I agree that I agree with both and and look catch and release is another one of those things that it is hard to be in favor of as a principal so wait you're going to to catch somebody doing something wrong and you're going to let them go and hope they come back and probably get kicked out of the so can I ask you a question Chris why do you think the Democrats had such a passive border for the last four years if it does it if it's so insane why do you think that is I several reasons okay uh one because solving that problem is not as useful to them until now as weaponizing the problem and I believe that about both sides that it allowed Democrats to say boy do you people hate people you are anti-American you don't even love immigrants anymore you toxic whities and it allowed the right to say you people are crazy you do not use your brain there is nothing good about what's pouring over the border and I really believe that's a big motivator and why neither side you know Obama had both houses didn't you know did Healthcare didn't do this nobody has when they've had the chance has tried to do this except late in the game this last cycle which everybody saw through second reason they do have a Left Flank issue they do have a Left Flank issue that is hyp sympathetic uh to the suffrage of those people and believe that you should just be welcoming all in that's what this country is that's what it is it's best the main reason though was in politics what they call paralysis by analysis so the the numbers start going bad they know in Biden Administration it's because they relax those Home Country agreements and the other executive orders now the problem is theirs so what you do in politics nine times out of 10 is ignore it and focus on something else instead of owning and fixing because owning gets you owned I mean but if you know that 10,000 people a day are coming in your country and you ignore it how is that not treason it's not treason but I mean just like let's look at analytically non ically you allow 10,000 people to come in and you just ignore it how are you not fulfilling your obligation to the country well you could argue that it is Miss or even Mal feasance treason no treason is a defined crime where you're giving Comfort to an enemy you're assuming that all of these people are therefore enemies which they cartels are enemies well but they're not all cartel people but enough are to not to be treason but it look it's definitely political uh malpractice it was definitely wrong and the cartel I think are a great emphasizer of that point and fenel which got very little attention but again I don't want to dwell too much on the trees and thing I'm not grilling you I'm just trying to understand because you talk to Democrats a lot and and you know many I'm okay being grilled by the way no no I just I I I I I have my own speculation of which is nothing but that how you can say that you're governing a country and you're spending all this money on Ukraine and all this stuff on abstractions and you just are kind of I to at best indifferent to your own Nation being over you know what I would say to that here's here's what I would add to that uh uh Chris you know uh uh Charlie earlier said hey what's the number one reason what he thinks is buying Twitter I'm like you know what I agree and and my reason for saying yes is because if Twitter was still owned by dorsy ran by the old guy I don't remember his name the CEO a lot of people wouldn't be back on and the first Domino of getting everybody Trump back on social was Twitter when he let Alex Jones back on when he let Andrew Tate back on when he let Trump back on and Trump wouldn't tweet because he was still on truth and Facebook followers Instagram followers everybody else followers right if that doesn't happen we don't hear the counterarguments to everything and we can be gaslit into believing that nothing's really going on with the Border then that opens it up where someone like me I run a big you know insurance agency and what my day look like is every day people would bring me things and says watch what he did that's not compliant and eventually the bigger insurance company becomes you're all becoming a compliance officer trust me it's not fun but you're constantly trying to see who's in the right and who's in the wrong and all I do throughout the day is hear two arguments well here's what they did and they should have given us the insurance policy really yeah what else anything else you want to tell me before I go ask him questions these are the two facts you need to know perfect hey what happened here da d d he didn't tell me that yeah what else da D can you show me proof yeah here's the email can you show me the take got it hey did you you didn't tell me about it well yeah but it's not fair he always you like him more than I I said no no now you're getting emotional he has a better argument than you do take all the emotion aside leaving the Border open where the borders are and then later on you want to run and you're not hey kids competing boys competing with there's so much of this that the person that's not involved in politics that I don't need to have 45 years in politics or 60 years to say no common sense this doesn't make sense no common this doesn't make sense you have to be right because of what we just saw in the returns well it's not about I have to be right I think the American people who don't have time to follow politics but they've lived a life long enough where they trust Common Sense sit there and say that's the party of common sense you don't make any sense I can't vote for you because you don't make any sense with the border with the economy with marriage with the way you're okay with these guys competing to me that's the part if the Democrats today don't make adjustments and they stay arrogant thinking and Obama can come and save them Obama no longer has the voice you used to have by the way the report comes out Rob and and if we're on this uh uh border thing let's do this before we go to the next one they announced that uh Tom Homan is officially the uh uh director of immigration uh in law enforcement the borders are and when that was announced I think about a year ago year and a half ago we talked about Rob that if Trump gets elected if you