Charlie Kirk Debates Pro-Choice Woman on Abortion, Bodily Autonomy, and the Value of Life

[00:00] having sex is a choice you don't have to

[00:01] have that choice don't choose be

[00:03] pregnant when you have sex you don't

[00:05] choose to be pregnant hold on but you

[00:07] have a choice to have sex in the first

[00:08] place yes but you don't choose to be

[00:10] pregnant pregnancy sex doesn't always

[00:12] lead to pregnancy women are only fertile

[00:14] for 5 days of the month right so why do

[00:16] you need to have sex feels good what are

[00:19] you talking about so so we should just

[00:21] do what feels good regardless of the

[00:22] choices or Consequences that all the

[00:24] time just because people do things all

[00:26] the time is that right no it's not about

[00:28] people do it's people people like

[00:30] feeling good people like do things them

[00:32] dopamine we're getting somewhere right

[00:34] so should what feels good be prioritized

[00:36] over what is

[00:38] good sometimes it depends exactly on

[00:41] what it is okay so if I can have

[00:43] pleasure and a bunch of people die

[00:45] that's perfectly fine I said it depends

[00:47] on what it is if people are dying okay

[00:50] so again back to the point is that you

[00:51] don't outside of or those very very

[00:55] Fringe text cases 99% of the time you

[00:57] don't just wake up and you're magically

[00:58] pregnant no no you you know that you had

[01:01] sex and you're like oh sh hold on a

[01:03] second so why do you then get to have

[01:05] the orgasm without the responsibility

[01:07] hold on because you don't get to have

[01:09] the orgasm you just wake up pregnant

[01:11] hold on a second but but but hold on no

[01:13] but the but if the woman chooses to keep

[01:16] the baby the man has to pay child

[01:17] support I don't IE that well it's it's

[01:19] the

[01:21] law stupid sometimes well that's right

[01:23] both parties made the choice which is

[01:24] interesting do you think that men should

[01:26] be able to have a say before woman has

[01:27] an abortion I think it should be a

[01:29] conversation but here's the thing I

[01:30] don't think you parties have to agree I

[01:32] think

[01:34] so I don't think you should be able to

[01:36] force women into abortion just like you

[01:37] shouldn't be able to force woman out of

[01:39] an abortion you shouldn't know way each

[01:41] way or the other no way you can't tell

[01:43] someone to do with their body hold on

[01:45] but is it their body or is it that

[01:46] another body is within their body it's a

[01:49] okay but if someone broke into my house

[01:50] I would put a gun to their head and say

[01:52] get the out or die but wait hold on you

[01:54] invited the baby into the house with

[01:57] somebody night of passion I didn't

[01:59] invite the I didn't invite the baby open

[02:01] I I left the door unlocked by accident

[02:03] somebody push push it back but wait that

[02:05] that baby is then within you okay and

[02:09] and it's still my body Within Me me my

[02:11] body right but it's so is it your DNA it

[02:14] doesn't matter if it's my DNA why do you

[02:16] hold on why do you have control over

[02:17] somebody else's DNA I thought you said

[02:19] because they're in me if they were

[02:20] control they have come it's a location

[02:22] issue super interesting so location

[02:24] matters more than being just because

[02:27] somebody happens to be within a womb if

[02:29] it was my baby in

[02:31] Hawaii take them out however so if

[02:34] somebody has uh that's that's not if if

[02:37] it it's your DNA you have Total Choice

[02:39] over your DNA to be able to take eat

[02:40] Coke drink Coke or drink Sprite if

[02:42] they're in my body and they're affecting

[02:43] my life I'll do what I want with them

[02:46] okay so that so just because somebody's

[02:49] location determines their moral worth no

[02:51] it's not about necessarily location it's

[02:52] about how they affect me for for 9

[02:55] months after you chose to be able to get

[02:57] that c it's not even just N9 months it's

[02:59] after the fact too you have postpartum

[03:01] depression no yeah so that's interesting

[03:03] so I we're getting somewhere so your

[03:05] argument is you should do what is

[03:07] expedient even if there is a victim and

[03:10] there might be a casualty you would't

[03:11] even know they're a victim okay that's

[03:13] interesting if is it okay to murder if

[03:16] the person does not know they were

[03:17] murdered sure why not they won't even

[03:20] know they have so it's okay to go to an

[03:21] old person's home a bunch of people with

[03:23] dementia and just start popping popping

[03:24] rounds sure bye popping

[03:27] rounds you just killed your ARG no I

[03:30] don't I'm not even k no you did just

[03:31] kill your argument so we can go to old

[03:32] people's homes dementia Alzheimer's

[03:33] they're drain on society they don't know

[03:35] who they are they don't know their name

[03:36] they don't know their relatives by the

[03:38] way millions of people dementi and

[03:39] Alzheimer's and we just kill them think

[03:40] because should hold on oh no you said

[03:42] you should be able to oh my God but it's

[03:44] not necessarily like if if they're never

[03:47] going to know they're never going to

[03:48] know okay so murdering dementia patience

[03:51] is consistent you're right you are being

[03:52] consistent I I I think there is a little

[03:54] bit of inconsistency cuz like after

[03:56] you're dead you're dead in a lot of

[03:58] cases in a lot of religions right so

[04:00] like Aus isn't even born though they're

[04:01] not even you're just a person on the

[04:04] street someone goes and shoots you you w

[04:06] know so but hold on if if you go same

[04:09] argument the the idea is the question is

[04:11] this is just because something is not

[04:13] boring are they alive and do they have

[04:15] value I don't think so okay so let's go

[04:18] through it so just Bec is it because the

[04:20] baby is the fetus or baby is small they

[04:22] don't have Consciousness hold on we we

[04:23] we've gone we've gone through that I

[04:24] want to try

[04:25] to is it because they're small that's

[04:28] not your argument location that's your

[04:29] argument no no environment or but you

[04:32] said degree of dependency that's the one

[04:34] that you said you said wait you said

[04:36] environment I don't but I don't agree

[04:37] with the environment well meaning like

[04:39] where the I'm going through the acronym

[04:41] of what most pro-abortion arguments are

[04:42] size level development environment

[04:44] degree of dependency so I'm trying to I

[04:46] always try to find which one your prior

[04:47] because every pro-abortion argument

[04:48] falls into one of four yeah so degree of

[04:51] dependency this baby is going to take

[04:53] from me mhm are you glad your mom

[04:56] nurtured you for 9 months in the womb I

[04:58] mean she not really to be honest so you

[05:01] wish you wouldn't have been born I'm

[05:03] chill with that for sure huh H okay

[05:07] you're consistent I am yeah so so you so

[05:10] if you were just to be killed tomorrow

[05:12] not a big deal I'd never be I wouldn't

[05:14] even be having this conversation w i I

[05:17] think that I think I think that this is

[05:19] important because 40 years ago an

[05:22] average woman would not have answered it

[05:23] that way they would have they would have

[05:25] said my life is beautiful my life has

[05:27] meaning my life has purpose and I'm glad

[05:29] my mom sacrific for I think that's the

[05:31] case for every single woman 40 years ago

[05:33] well the vast majority of women 40 years

[05:35] ago were not as depressed not as not

[05:37] argu now vast majority is still the same

[05:40] way she's yeah

[05:41] inconsistent with the the most do you

[05:45] think that she is the mainstream opinion

[05:46] or do you think she's a fringe opinion

[05:47] no she's a fringe opinion for sure I

[05:49] like she a fringe it feels good okay so

[05:53] completely do you think she's a

[05:55] mainstream opinion or Fringe opinion

[05:56] it's pretty fringe okay yeah I'm fine

[05:59] with that that's that doesn't bother me

[06:00] at all