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Charlie Kirk Defends Christian Values and Death Penalty at Florida State University Campus Event
Charlie Kirk engages with Florida State University students in a series of intense exchanges about the role of Christianity in American governance, the death penalty, and diversity, equity, and inclusion policies. Kirk argues that America's founding principles are rooted in Christian values and warns that secular nations cannot sustain freedom. He confronts students on abortion, capital punishment, and the importance of faith in maintaining a moral society. The discussion reveals fundamental disagreements about religious influence in government, with Kirk insisting that Christian ethics provide the only viable foundation for American democracy and that removing them would lead to societal collapse.
Christianity as America's Moral Foundation
Charlie Kirk faced challenging questions from Florida State University students about the role of religious values in American government. When one student questioned why Kirk supports Christian values being protected by the Constitution when the founding fathers tried to avoid establishing a specific religion, Kirk turned the question around. He asked the student what moral standards society should follow and where those standards should come from.
The student suggested that society should create values from a mix of different religions and perspectives. Kirk responded by identifying the Ten Commandments as a foundational moral code and challenged the student to articulate an alternative rulebook for life. Kirk argued that Christianity provides principles like loving strangers, justice, and charity that many assume are universal but actually originate from Christian teaching.
Kirk emphasized that 55 out of 56 signers of the Constitution were Bible-believing, church-attending Christians, and that God is mentioned four times in the Declaration of Independence. He quoted John Adams, stating that the Constitution was written "wholly for a moral and religious people" and is "wholly inadequate for the people of any other." Kirk insisted there is no such thing as a neutral public square and that if Christian values are removed, they must be replaced with something else.
The Death Penalty and Pro-Life Consistency
Another student challenged Kirk on what they perceived as inconsistency in being both pro-life and pro-death penalty. The student compared this to liberals being pro-choice on abortion but not on vaccinations. Kirk dismissed this as a false equivalency, explaining that an unborn baby has done nothing wrong while a murderer has committed a grave crime.
Kirk argued that the death penalty actually honors the value of human life by demonstrating that taking an innocent life has the ultimate consequence. He stated that being against the death penalty devalues victims by suggesting their lives don't matter enough to warrant the ultimate punishment for their killers. When the student cited the commandment "Thou shalt not kill," Kirk clarified that the Hebrew text says "Thou shalt not murder," distinguishing between killing and murder.
He referenced God's law in the Torah that states if you take a life, your life shall be taken from you, precisely because human life is so precious. Kirk framed capital punishment as an explicitly pro-life position that honors the sanctity of the lives that were taken.
Public Funding for Religious Education
The conversation about Christian values extended to taxpayer funding for religious education. When Kirk expressed support for Bible teachings in public schools, describing the Bible as a historical document, the student asked whether he would also support taxpayer funding for Quran teachings. Kirk acknowledged that public schools already teach about various religious texts and said they should examine all religious texts of great faiths.
However, Kirk emphasized that only one text—the Bible—was believed by those who founded and built America. He argued that the teachings of the Bible were central to the country's creation and continued development. Kirk maintained that while students should learn about different religions, Christianity holds a unique position in American history and governance that justifies its prominent place in education.
The Impossibility of Secular Freedom
Kirk made a provocative argument that liberty and freedom cannot coexist with a faithless nation. He stated that the Constitution is incompatible with a secular or atheist nation, arguing that without belief in a higher power, people seek meaning through politics, which leads to the loss of freedom. Kirk described the protesters outside the event as engaging in a quasi-religious experience, chanting together and feeling part of something bigger.
He suggested that when America was at its best, people found meaning by going to church rather than marching in the streets. Kirk claimed that 99% of the activist left either had bad experiences with religion, don't think God loves them, or are atheists. He referenced sociologist Émile Durkheim's definition of religion as involving regular gatherings, shared language, and common objectives, arguing that left-wing movements mirror religious experiences.
Kirk's solution to cultural decline is spiritual: people need to humble themselves before God, return to church, get married before having sex, and stop engaging in debauchery. He emphasized that revival only happens through repentance, which requires acknowledging that there is a God and that we are not Him. Kirk closed this section by stating that politics is merely a means toward liberty, but liberty itself is God's idea, not man's.
Immigration and the Rule of Law
When Salma, a child of Moroccan and Peruvian immigrants who came to the United States legally after a 10-year process, asked about illegal immigration, Kirk focused on the destruction of the rule of law. He praised her family for following the proper procedures and emphasized that illegal immigration is fundamentally an insult to those who waited their turn and followed the rules.
Kirk argued that illegal immigration floods schools and hospitals, but the deeper issue is whether America will be a country that honors rules or rewards rule breakers. He compared it to teaching children not to cut in line, questioning why immigration should be treated differently. Kirk maintained that America should welcome immigrants like Salma's family who come legally, not those who break in line and then receive rewards for doing so.
Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion
A master's student in student affairs who believes in DEI challenged Kirk on his opposition to diversity, equity, and inclusion programs. The student argued that DEI creates inclusivity at predominantly white institutions for first-generation students, minoritized students, and veterans. Kirk asked the student to define DEI beyond the acronym to ensure they were discussing the same thing.
When Kirk jokingly defined DEI as "didn't earn it," the student pushed back, arguing that underrepresented students who make it to campus have already earned their place. Kirk sought common ground by asking whether people should be hired based on race or competency. When the student agreed competency should be the standard, Kirk argued that DEI in practice focuses on race more than competency, contrary to its stated theory.
Kirk said he wants everyone to be judged by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin, invoking Martin Luther King Jr. He argued for an America based on merit and hard work rather than appearance. The conversation ended with both agreeing that talking less about race and viewing people as human beings first would benefit the country. The student also asked Kirk whether Drake or Kendrick Lamar won their feud, to which Kirk said he supports Kendrick Lamar for taking an anti-pedophile stance against Drake.
Video Transcript
Uh, first of all, I just want to say,
man, I'm excited to see you. I watch
your videos all the time. Uh, I disagree
heavily. And, um, I originally wanted to
come up here and maybe troll, but I
actually have a genuine question for
you. Um, and my question to that is, why
is it that you are in strong support of
religious values being instilled as
American values and protected by the
Constitution when our founding fathers
kind of tried to stray away from a
installment of a specific religion on
the entire country? Well, I would reject
the premise, but let's just kind of ask
the let's ask you you by what standard
do you think we should live by
>> standard in the country live?
>> Just as humanity, what should we say is
good or evil and where should we get
that from?
>> I think that we should have a set amount
of values that come from what we as a
society kind of create and that can be
contributed by a mix of different
religions and perspectives and opinions
which is why I disagree with the
installment of a specific religion on
the entire country.
>> So, let's just I'll tell you what I
believe. I believe specifically the Ten
Commandments is a great place to start.
What would you say are rules for life
and where do we get them from and why
should we believe them?
>> You're asking me?
>> Yeah.
>> Just
>> Yeah. I mean, so again, like I said, I
think that a lot of things we can point
to the Bible. We can point to the Ten
Commandments. We can point to a lot of
these teachings and we can say, "Okay,
here's a good set of values that we have
that are outlined in the Ten
Commandments and the Bible and stuff
like that. But we can also what that
raises the the issues of is what that
does for the rest of the country."
Because if you if you flip that logic
and you applied it to let's say values
of Islam, values of Hinduism, values of
Buddhism. We weren't founded on those
values though.
>> Correct. We were not founded on those
values. But also I think that just
because we were founded on beneficial
values of a specific religion does not
mean that we as a country should look to
solidify the entire country in religion.
And what we're seeing a lot in
government is more religious
involvement. We're seeing a lot of
>> which we should we should have tal
religious involvement. the re the the re
the reason primarily being is if if
America goes secular it will lose its
mind.
>> Would you agree then?
>> And we're seeing that.
>> Would you agree with if the president
elected was Muslim or had a different
religion than you? Would you also
>> Well, let's take Vav. I mean Vav has a
worldview that I that I that I share.
Vague is a Hindu
>> and so but but how would you feel with
those values as a whole? just said I
mean Vav is a Hindu but Vav would come
up here and say the Ten Commandments is
one of the greatest moral breakthroughs
ever. The point being and this is what
I'm getting at is that Christianity is
the greatest ethic that humanity has
ever had to live under.
>> Can you show Hold on a second. Sorry.
Christianity as we know it is the
greatest moral ethic. And these are
things you agree with. You know, love
the stranger, you know, uh help others.
Um have justice,
>> love thy neighbor.
>> Yeah. Love thy neighbor as yourself.
Like Leviticus 19, right? These are
beautiful teachings. In fact, they're so
beautiful that you think that they're
common when in reality the rest of the
world doesn't always have them. Even
freedom of speech and natural rights and
charity to the the lesser, these are all
Christian values. So, what I'm getting
at though is if we remove Christian
values, which you may or may not be
suggesting, what do we replace them
with?
>> I guess my question is more centered
around using taxpayer dollars. Well, I
guess I guess I can leave with a
question. How do you feel about taxpayer
dollars using to fund things like Bible
teachings in public schools?
>> Yeah, I totally support that. The Bible
is a historical document.
>> And so my question again is how would
you feel about taxpayer dollars going
towards teachings of the Quran?
>> Well, they actually do that already.
>> And are you in support of it?
>> Hold on a second. Pause. We do have a
religious texts of a lot of public
schools. Yes, they should. We should
look at all religious texts of great
faiths and learn and examine them. You
know, okay, what does the Quran say?
What does the Bible say if it's in a
public school?
>> But I think you I think you know what
I'm getting like pointing at
>> sort of. But I it's it's important to
understand though that only one of those
texts was believed and continued this
country moving forward which of course
is the holy bible and the teachings of
the bible were at 55 out of 56 of the
signers of the constitution were bible
believing church attending Christians.
God is mentioned four times in the
declaration of independence right that
we are we were an explicitly Christian
country. In fact John Adams said that
the constitution was written holy for a
moral and religious people. it's wholly
inadequate for the people of any other.
I might not convince you on this. What I
might convince you on though is that if
you say Christianity should not be in
involved in our government, fine. You
got to replace it with something. And if
you say it's neutral, there's no such
thing as a neutral public square. It
doesn't exist.
>> Yeah. I'm not necessarily saying that.
And I I'll be quick because I know there
want to talk to you. But what I'm saying
is I would I would say that I disagree
strictly with a certain teaching, a
certain religion being the basis of what
we take all beneficial teaching that we
apply to the United States.
>> Fine. But then who chooses the moral
code? I think that the people as a whole
who can represent different religions
can represent different beliefs and
opinions. It doesn't it shouldn't have
to come from a specific religion because
what does that one religion teach that
the other opposing views what atheism
can't teach?
>> Hold on a second. No, that's an
interesting question. What does
Christianity teach that others do not? A
lot. A lot. For example, in Christianity
explicitly, there are beliefs that are
not found in Buddhism or Hinduism. And
again, just just look at the fruit. The
West is a Christian project. So why
would we cut the fruit from its vine?
Why would we cut the flower from its
roots?
>> Yeah. And my question is because I think
that there's a lot of disagreeing points
of view that conflict that, right?
Abortion rights. I know that it is a
largely Christian value to not be in
support of a woman's right to choose
whether or not she has an abortion.
>> And I know that you are also
anti-democracy and you know a small
>> I'm pro- elections, but
>> yes. And you're you're opposed to a just
the majority ruling over the rest of
people, right? And so why is it that you
are in support of people that that make
up the slight majority having power to
instill legislation and rules and laws
that their religion teaches
>> on the rest of the society is what I'm
saying.
>> First of all, you can't have a free
society without without having some sort
of a belief in God.
>> So then why should we use Christian
teachings to apply that to the rest of
society when they disagree with them
when
>> Well, first of all, it's the best. Show
me a better alternative. No, seriously.
I mean, you can laugh at it. Show me a
society that has gone away from
Christianity and has improved itself.
>> What I'm saying?
>> No, no, no, no. It's important. I
believe that America should remain
Christian. Show me a formerly Christian
country in Europe that has gone away
from Christianity and has become a
better, stronger, more better like
>> What I would point you to is probably
towards a country that does not apply
those values to things like abortion
rights. So, I I probably point you to
like I probably point to Norway. I
probably point you to to a lot of the
places like that because they're not
having people die from lack of access to
abortion.
>> And this is where we just have
disagreement. I think Europe is a
disaster right now.
>> I think Europe is a husk of its former
self.
>> What I'm what I'm arguing is that I'm
saying in the specific areas of that
there there's not people literally like
dying because they're forced to like,
you know, give birth to a human that
they don't want to carry and they don't
have proper access to abortion. And
those are Christian teachings that are
not
>> in this country. We have babies
literally dying in the womb every single
day.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. 3,000 abortions a day. I mean, I
think that's a big deal. But I also at
the same time, you know, are those same
Christians?
>> I just kind of I would just ask, again,
it's you don't have to answer it. This
is an interesting question for you, and
I want you to think about this for the
next week or two.
>> Okay.
>> The most important book in my life, of
which all truth stems from the Bible.
What is your most important book?
>> Um, The Right-wing Revolution by Charlie
Kirk.
>> Without the troll though, but like it's
important because at some point you have
to appeal to something. You have to have
a rule. Rule book. Every species, all
human beings need a rulebook for life.
We tell you what our rulebook is. What?
And you know, I know it's like putting
you on the spot, but think about it.
>> And if you don't have a rule book,
you're lying to yourself. Everybody has
a rulebook you live by.
>> You just got to tell us what it is.
>> Fair enough.
>> All right. Thank you, man. Think about
that. Okay.
>> Hey, Charlie. Thank you for being here.
My question to you, and I just want to
confirm your position on something. You
are anti-death penalty. Is that correct?
>> Uh, pro.
>> You're pro death penalty.
>> I've done this once already, but yes,
correct.
>> Okay. I just
>> I used to be anti, but I Yes. It's fine.
>> I just want to ask about consistency.
So, consistency. One thing that
irritates me about liberals is they'll
say things like, "Yeah, we're
pro-choice." But then when it comes to
like vaccinations and my body, my
choice, suddenly they're not so
pro-choice anymore. I feel like
conservatives do the same thing, but
only pro-life side. So, can you explain?
>> Come on, man. You seem so much smarter
than that. What do you think my answer
is?
>> I don't because they did something bad.
>> Well, yeah,
>> but if life is invaluable, then why do
you not consider it valuable throughout
the whole lifespan, not just the
beginning?
>> Because you believe in putting criminals
in jail, right?
Yes.
>> Which is a taking of their rights,
>> not their life.
>> Well, again, but their it's their whole
life is completely changed.
>> So, I guess it's also an insult to the
victim, isn't it?
>> Saying that your life doesn't matter so
much that your murderer can keep on
living, but you yourself aren't living.
>> It's actually devalues the value of the
victim or the victims actually in a lot
of times.
>> And you have a hat that says make
America holy again. Yes. God repeated in
all five books of the Torah, you take a
life, your life will be taken. to the
consistency argument. If there is a baby
here, you know, in the womb, that baby
has done nothing wrong. Whereas a guy
who went and shot up a school did a lot
wrong. And so the only the only answer
is to say we value human life so much
that you don't get to keep on living if
you take a precious human life. It's
actually an explicitly pro-life position
because it's honoring the dead and
honoring the victim so much that it's
not just one to be discarded. That's oh,
it's not just a clump of cells. You see,
to be against the death penalty is
actually consistent for the left because
they're like, "Oh, you know, it's just a
bunch of clump of cells that got shot up
at a school. It doesn't really matter.
Go put him in a jail." Where we say,
"No, that's a life you took and you
don't get get to keep on having breath
if you go take another precious human
life."
>> Does that make sense?
>> It makes sense. And how do you defend
like the there's a flatout commandment?
It doesn't get much clear. Thou shalt
not kill.
>> We did this earlier.
>> I was I can't hear anything on the other
side. Sorry.
>> Okay. It says, "Thou shalt not kill."
Not that thou shalt not murder. Not thou
shalt not kill. So killing and murder
are two different words, okay, in in
Hebrew. It says, "Thou shalt not murder,
not kill." Again, it's I I could repeat
this repeated just over on adnauseium.
God has a law in the scriptures. If you
are to take a life, your life shall be
taken from you. Why is that? God went
and explained in the Torah. It's because
human life is so precious. You shall not
be able to continue. The only punishment
is that your life should also be taken
from you.
>> Okay. Thank you. I'm trying to debate. I
just want to hear. It's fine. Yeah.
Thank you. Yep.
>> What's up, Charlie? Uh, welcome to
Florida State. Um, my question has to do
with culture. I was wondering
>> closer to the mic. Okay. Um, I was
wondering why doesn't the right have
like the left has dominated culture for
so long. They had, you know, the
feminist movement. We can blame that for
destroying the nuclear home. We can
blame that for um destroying marriages
in a lot of ways. But how do we kind of
work backwards from that? Kind of get
back to like the core American values.
um you know lower the divorce rate,
lower single motherhood, things like
that. What there it doesn't seem to be
like a practical solution that's been
even attempted by the right.
>> Well, the the the practical solution we
don't have to think. We need to point
people to God and eventually to Jesus
Christ. And that is the solution is that
people need to humble themselves before
the Lord. They need to go back to
church. They need to get married before
they have sex. They need to stop
engaging in debauchery and limitless
amounts of drinking and the sins of the
flesh. and understand that there's a God
who loves them that wants them to live a
certain way. And it's not a matter of
the feminist movement or the Black Lives
Matter movement. We need a movement that
is centered around spiritual eternal
principles and and yeah, make America
holy again, make America Christian
again, but a revival will only happen
with repentance. And repentance is at
odd with pride. And so we have an entire
month dedicated to pride, by the way,
which is you must acknowledge two
things. There is a God and we are not
him. Those two things are fundamental
towards having hopefully the humility of
getting in front of your creator.
Understanding that you fall short of the
glory of God with the eyes on the cross
and understanding the significance of
what the cross is and what it means for
your life. And with that will come
widespread nationwide change. We are
seeing some promising trends. Church
attendance is slightly going up. Gen Z,
especially Gen Z men are more religious
than millennial men. And it is an
increasing and growing. And young women,
we got a we got some we got some things
to work through. But uh but we will not
save the country just through politics.
Politics is a means towards an end, a
means towards liberty. But liberty is
not man's idea. It's God's idea. And we
we are only able to experience that
liberty if we are a moral and religious
people. And I'll close with the
statement with this that the
constitution is incompatible
incompatible with a faithless nation.
You will not have a free society if the
country goes atheist. You will not have
a free society if the country goes
secular. That sounds provocative, but
it's true. Is that liberty and freedom
cannot coexist with a nation that does
not believe in a higher power. Because
eventually you're going to want to have
some form of meaning in your life. And
usually that meaning is lefting
politics. And I'm not trying to pick
pick on all those people chanting out
there because they're they're they're
actually crying for help. And I mean
that because how many of them and I mean
this. How many of them do you think go
to church on a regular basis? Almost
none. And that's not that's not me
picking on them. But there's a reason
because they're having a quasi religious
experience right now. They're all
chanting at the same time. They feel
like they're part of something bigger.
They think they're fighting evil, which
of course they're not. But there's a
religious element to that. when America
was at its best, when you didn't march
on the streets, but instead you went to
the church and bowed before your creator
to go find your meaning.
>> And so when they're chanting out here,
you should love on them, be like, you
know, do you believe in God? Like, have
you been to church? And I guarantee
almost to a person, 99% of the activist
left on this campus does has a either a
bad experience with with religion, uh
doesn't think that God loves them,
doesn't think that God is good, or
they're an atheist. So you fill that
void with left-wing politics because
left-wing politics mirrors religion. It
feels like a religious experience. So
there's a um a thinker by the name of
Emil Durkheim, which some of you guys
may or may not know, who talked about
what is religion. And he says the things
that have in common of religion is that
people will all say the same thing.
They'll meet on a regular basis. They'll
agree on an an objective that that is
the Black Lives Matter movement or the
trans movement or whatever. And we
should we should say, hey, instead of
making those things your God, you should
believe in the God of the Bible, the God
that loved you enough to send his son to
die for you so that you may may live
forever. Thank you so much. Appreciate
it. Thank you.
>> Hi, Charlie. It's nice to meet you. My
name is Salma. Thanks for coming. Um, as
a child of a Moroccan and Peruvian
immigrants who came into the US legally
and were in the process for 10 years,
it's frustrating to see so much biased
media outlets nowadays propagandizing
Trump as a racist who doesn't want
immigrants in this country instead of
understanding he's protecting us from
illegal criminals who cut in line. So,
to inform the liberals behind us
protesting to get racists off campus um
or people listening right now, what
would you say are the long-term or
short-term consequences of mass illegal
immigration on social services and the
economy?
>> Yeah. I mean, it will flood schools,
flood hospitals, but even more than
that, it's the it's the destruction of
the rule of law, and it's an insult to
your family that followed the law. Your
family came here the right way and
filled out the paperwork and waited your
turn. You did not cut in line.
>> Yeah.
>> So, we have to make a decision. Are we
going to be a country that follows and
honors the rules or rewards rule
breakers? And we teach our kids at 2
years old, rule breakers get punished,
don't cut in line, wait your turn. Yet,
when it comes to immigration, we act as
if it's something totally different. We
want people like your family to come
here the right way legally, not breaking
in line and then all of a sudden getting
rewards because of that.
>> Oh, my bad. I'm sorry. What's up,
Charlie? All right. So, I am a
secondyear master students in student
affairs and I see you got an anti-Dei
shirt on. So, this is about to get good.
I personally
don't I personally believe in DEI. I
think that that actually helps with
including with creating inclusivity
within u PWIS and
>> predominately white institutions. And I
also believe that now I go to FSU, FSU,
that's where I go at. But I also believe
that this is the reason why I wanted to
get into student affairs because I
believe that with the DEI being um
present within our campuses, we actually
are able to build inclusivity for
students who are uh first uh firstg for
u minoritized students for veteran
students who are coming onto these
campuses and actually being able to feel
like they have somewhere for them on
campus as well. I understand the counter
argument, but I'm going to let you go
first. I'm sorry.
>> Okay.
>> Well, instead of debating DEI, why don't
you define it further so we can make
sure we're talking about the same thing.
>> Got you. So, diversity, equity, and
inclusion.
>> That I know what that means.
>> Okay. Okay. My fault. My fault.
>> I I I would say DEI stands for didn't
earn it, but that's a separate issue.
>> Oo. Didn't earn it. You've been working
on that type.
Uh, so
so yes, a lot of people think that and
in in that regards, which is a
counterargument to it, but I honestly
believe that the fact that you got to
this point where you was already
unrepresented on these campuses already
shows that you did actually earn to get
those fundings, did actually earn to get
that inclusivity tailored to you because
the fact that you even made it to the
campus where a lot of people in dis uh
disproportionate communities don't make
it a lot out of, at least you have is a
place on campus where you feel included
at. That's my That would be my argument.
>> Yeah. So I So I I don't know what DEI
looks like on this campus.
>> Yeah. So I
>> So I I I can't speak to that. Let's try
to find some common ground.
>> Okay.
>> Um do you think people should be hired
based on their race or their competency?
>> I don't think that I think they should
be raced
off their competency, not their race. We
totally agree. Right. Okay. So what DEI
does in practice, not in theory, is it
focuses on race more than competency.
>> That is our that is our concern.
>> Okay.
>> And so what I want and you seem, you
know, very passionate about a lot of
things and you obviously have skills for
your life. I want you always to be
judged on the content of your character,
not the color of your skin, which is
actually, as you know, Martin Luther
King gave this big speech and in Yeah, I
know. But he is an ideal that I I agree
at this sentence for sure. Um where DEI
says, "No, we're actually going to care
more about skin color than competency."
Mhm.
>> And so what we want is an America based
on merit, America based on how hard you
work, an America based on what you bring
to the table, not just what you look
like.
>> I got you. And I understand that it's
very well. And I think that that's a
profound position to have with it. And
>> Oh,
>> no. You're good.
>> And I know you got to go. So you're
good. Keep going.
>> Okay. Okay. So, my last thing is, and
I'll make it short because we are going
going to agree on that, but agree on the
whole anti-D movement, but I will say
that Drake or Kendra Lamar, who won?
>> Oh, I I like Kendrick Lamar. I'm not a
rapper guy, but I will say at least all
only thing I know about this is the
anti- pedophile thing, which I support
completely. So, so the fact he goes
after Drake for being
>> No, no, you can't say that. Sexy song's
for you, baby. You know what I'm saying?
Go Drake.
>> I I I don't know a single song between
either of them. All I know is that if
you even engage in pedophile stuff,
you're no go. So
>> type.
>> But can we can can we both agree though
that the better the the less we talk
about race as a country probably better
>> that if we look at people as human
beings first and not race.
>> I agree with that.
>> Okay, we can agree. Thank you, man. God
bless you. Thank you.