Charlie Kirk Explains Why College Is a Scam and Defends Absolute Truth on Gender Ideology
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Charlie Kirk Explains Why College Is a Scam and Defends Absolute Truth on Gender Ideology
Charlie Kirk addresses disagreements on housing policy, college enrollment, and gender ideology in this candid exchange with students. Kirk argues that Europe isn't succeeding with centralized policies, contends that America has too many people attending college with a 41% dropout rate, and defends the need for more welders and plumbers over post-modernism students. He tackles the slippery slope fallacy, explains why biological reality matters in the transgender debate, discusses immigration moratoriums, and outlines what conservatives need to build for the future. Kirk doesn't hold back on controversial topics, from Disney's transformation into what he calls a "child predator operation" to why he believes weed legalization made Colorado messier and less enjoyable.
When challenged by a student who believed America should follow Europe's centralized college policies, Kirk rejected the premise entirely. He pointed out that America's national college graduation rate sits at just 59%, meaning 41% of students who enroll in college never complete their degree. When he asked the audience how many knew someone who dropped out of college, every hand went up.
Kirk's solution is radical: dramatically decline college enrollment across the country. He argues that America needs more welders, plumbers, electricians, police officers, and entrepreneurs—people who work with their hands—and far fewer students studying post-modernism in classrooms. He compared the current higher education system to a Bernie Madoff-style scam, pointing out that students are forced to take classes with no relevance to their degrees.
The fundamental problem, according to Kirk, is that college makes young people poorer, less happy, and less likely to flourish. He describes it as a generation that "borrowed money they don't have to study things that don't matter to find jobs that don't exist." His proposed solution involves eliminating federal and state subsidies, forcing colleges to support themselves through donor funding rather than taxpayer money.
Germany Gets One Thing Right
Kirk acknowledged one area where he agrees with European policy: Germany's emphasis on technical education and skilled trades. He lamented that muscular labor has been insulted and talked down to in American culture, with suburban families quietly admitting they don't want their children working construction or sweating for a living. This cultural shift has created what Kirk calls a "hyper-educated, very unwise generation that's super in debt and has pieces of paper that mean absolutely nothing."
He noted that France is actually moving away from American-style woke universities, with Emmanuel Macron running on a platform to reject American woke ideology seeping into French institutions. Kirk used this as evidence that even Europe is rejecting what has infected American higher education.
Defending Absolute Truth on Gender
When a student asked Kirk to give a straight yes or no answer on whether the acceptance of queer people in society is a good thing, Kirk asked for definitions of both "acceptance" and "queer." The exchange quickly moved to the fundamental question: "What is a woman?"
The student responded that a woman is someone who identifies as a woman. Kirk pressed further, asking if someone who can become pregnant would be defined as a woman. When the student said it depends on whether they identify as a woman, Kirk drove to the core issue: "Do you believe that truth is objective or subjective? Do you believe in absolute truth?"
Kirk argued that if absolute truth exists, society should have absolute terms for what an infant-bearing person is—otherwise known as a woman. He questioned why society should accept people identifying as different genders but not accept people who identify as younger ages, pointing out that both involve brain formation issues and could be classified as disorders.
The NCAA Swimming Controversy
Kirk brought up the University of Pennsylvania swimmer who transitioned from male to female, moving from the 462nd best male swimmer to NCAA Champion as a female swimmer. When the student suggested NCAA rules make competition fair for people who transition, Kirk argued the swimmer was a narcissist who transitioned to gain a competitive advantage.
He framed this as a moral question: men and women have biological differences, including testosterone levels and physical strength. Women have lower testosterone and can be easily exploited by men, making it incumbent on men to protect women against exploitation by men who think they are women.
The Slippery Slope Isn't Always a Fallacy
A biology student asked Kirk about the slippery slope argument, noting it's often dismissed as a logical fallacy but observing that society moved from "let us get married" to "we want to teach sexuality to your elementary schoolers." Kirk acknowledged that technically it is a logical fallacy because it cannot be scientifically or mathematically applied to every situation. However, he insisted that slippery slopes are real and happen throughout history.
He provided multiple examples: seatbelt laws that stopped being intrusive, abortion moving from "safe, legal, and rare" to late-term and even post-birth abortion in some states, and the progression from same-sex marriage to forcing bakers to make cakes to teaching graphic sex education to five-year-olds. Kirk encouraged the student to add nuance to the argument—while it's not applicable to every issue, the erosion of liberty, decency, and virtue through incremental steps is demonstrably real.
What Conservatives Need to Build
When an anarchist plumber asked what young people can do beyond voting to push the country in the right direction, Kirk emphasized the importance of building. He outlined several key areas: having bigger families, supporting churches and pastors who proclaim truth, and creating conservative-owned businesses that share their values and are cancel-proof.
Kirk praised Elon Musk as a builder, noting his appreciation for people who create rather than just complain. He challenged the audience to think ambitiously: "Are we going to build the next Disney?" He pointed out that someone in the room has the potential to build a multi-billion dollar company, suggesting they could start the next Starbucks or create a conservative version of TaskRabbit.
He used his own story as evidence that American entrepreneurship is still alive: starting Turning Point USA at age 18 with no money or connections in the suburbs of Chicago, now present on thousands of campuses with over 250 staff members. Kirk emphasized that conservatives need to think positively and take risks, building things that are ambitious and beautiful—families, communities, churches, and businesses.
The Ron DeSantis Model
When asked how conservatives can create unified counter-narratives when they're more atomized than the left, Kirk pointed to Florida Governor Ron DeSantis as a three-and-a-half-year test case of what conservatism should look like. He listed DeSantis's accomplishments: banning critical race theory, not allowing kids to be taught divisive content in schools, maintaining law and order with no-bail policies, funding police and fatherhood initiatives, refusing lockdowns, rejecting vaccine mandates, and pushing back against congressional mask requirements.
Kirk argued that woke policies are so unbelievably stupid and unpopular that they will face an "extinction event" politically. He noted that normal everyday people, especially Hispanic voters, are rejecting messages about defunding police, eliminating prisons, and claims that men can become pregnant. This shared opposition to woke ideology is creating unity similar to how conservatives unified against the Soviet Union in the 1980s.
Immigration Moratorium and Assimilation
Kirk called for a complete moratorium on immigration, arguing that America needs to slow down and "digest the meal" to allow assimilation to happen. He pointed to the 1950s and early 1960s when America ratcheted back to almost zero immigration as a precedent, noting this was done to ensure World War II veterans had good wages and jobs.
He criticized the current legal immigration system for prioritizing people who don't share Western values while excluding those who do. Kirk specifically called out Minneapolis as unrecognizable after accepting large numbers of immigrants, citing the city council's approval of a call to prayer and Representative Ilhan Omar's election as examples of failed immigration policy. He argued that Omar, despite being rescued from a Kenyan refugee camp through American generosity, speaks nothing but negative things about the country.
Kirk proposed that America should implement an English language test for immigrants, prioritize certain countries that share Western values over others, and ensure immigrants believe in the Constitution. He emphasized this isn't racial but value-based, noting that Cubans make some of the greatest Americans. The fundamental question should be whether immigration makes America more free while fulfilling obligations to current countrymen.
Christian Response to Gender Ideology
When asked how Christians should interact lovingly with people struggling with gender ideology while maintaining absolute truth, Kirk's answer was simple: don't lie. He explained that love isn't giving people what they want but helping them get toward things that are true, good, and beautiful. Assisting or subsidizing someone to chemically castrate themselves is not the right thing in any form.
Kirk noted that suicide rates are extremely high for people who transition, and there are over 30,000 people in an open Facebook group who regret their transition and wish they could reverse it. He said Christians should pray for people struggling with gender dysphoria to have an encounter with Jesus Christ and realize they've been living a lie. From a Christian perspective, everything should be done with both grace and truth—wanting people to be born anew but refusing to lie, including refusing to call somebody something they aren't.
Why Weed Legalization Failed Colorado
Though not the main focus, Kirk shared an unpopular opinion about marijuana legalization in Colorado. He stated he was against it when it happened and remains against it now, believing weed does not improve the human condition and makes people less free, not more free. Having visited Colorado his whole life, he observed that the moment the state legalized marijuana, the place became messier, dirtier, and less enjoyable.
When asked about psychedelic drugs for therapy, Kirk admitted he doesn't know enough about the topic in general. However, he specifically mentioned ketamine therapy—administered intravenously in controlled medical environments—as showing phenomenal data for helping people with alcohol addiction, depression, and anxiety. He warned strongly against Ayahuasca, a psychedelic used in Central and South America, saying he's seen it destroy people's lives despite claims it's for medical purposes.
Video Transcript
I just kind of wanted to come here to gain some perspective but I am a disagreeer um so seeing that we uh talks about the housing market and we talked about um you know the price of college right going Skyrocket in America if we look to our European neighbors we're seeing them do a lot better in this sector and that's because of centralized policies that America hasn't even started on yet and yet you want like a free market kind of like solution so how are how are we failing and how is Europe succeeding well yeah I don't accept the premise but I appreciate that I don't think you're up succeeding but um let me ask you I ask you a question do you think that there's too many people going to college in America I do not okay so what's the national college graduation rate ballpark what do you think people going in to how many people graduate get a diploma again I'm not too familiar with the amount 59 so 41 of people that go to college don't graduate by a show of hands how many know people that dropped out of college raise your hand every single hand goes up right so we have way too many people going to college so my first thing my first belief is that we have to decline college enrollment dramatically in this country I'd say well Charlie what are you going to do well I will agree with you on one thing it's where the Germans get right it's that we need more welders and plumbers electricians police officers entrepreneurs and people that work with their hands and a lot less people that are kind of in the cloud studying post-modernism right so I think college is a racket largely I think it's a scam I think that young people are told to take classes that have no relevancy to their own degree so let me ask you have you taken classes that just you think are kind of a waste of time or do you think it's all just been phenomenally meaningful I feel like it's a step in like a the right career right you get the right amount of like technical skills and it's also the right amount of soft skills necessary for the you know career that you're going into and I feel like saying that people shouldn't be enrolling in college is actively saying that some people just don't deserve to go to college and I don't feel like saying that at all I mean I think college makes you poorer makes you less happy and less likely to flourish let me ask a question show hands in the room we'll use the Democracy thing right how many of you have felt that you took a class that was a total waste of time waste of money and all that okay I mean so this is a scam man like if if I was a if I was a financial regulator I would it's just like Bernie Madoff stuff man it's like every question I asked yep I know people dropped out yep I took classes I don't have any relevance to your degree and so the question is what is the purpose of college right so if every College like Hillsdale College I'd probably agree with you if you guys were studying Socrates Plato Aristotle getting deep into the classics rejecting post-modernism understanding the beauty of the American founding and so be it but like if we have to have these like extended discussions of like Jacques derradera and Michelle Foucault and black only dormitories and what is critical theory you guys are getting ripped off and it I believe firmly that so what is the market response first and foremost get a massive this might be wishful thinking get a massive portion of the population not to go to college go into technical schools learn to work with their hands and value muscular labor again in our country which muscular labor is insulted talked down to and I could prove it to you um go to a Suburban family anyone maybe in Cherry Creek or in Centennial or whatever if you go to a regular Suburban family if you get a mom in private she'll say I just don't I my kid to work construction every Suburban mom will say that no matter what I don't want my kid to sweat for a living and okay that has created a hyper-educated very unwise generation that's super in debt and has pieces of paper and I mean absolutely nothing right so it's a generation that is borrowed money they don't have to study things that don't matter to find jobs that don't exist so to answer your question the whole thing's a racket from how we get young people from high school to try to go to college and all this we need to disrupt it completely and federal subsidies and state subsidies make College support themselves on their own on their own make make colleges so make colleges go raise their own donor money for the like for example if like feminist queer theory is super important to you fine go raise the money and support it on your own right don't ask the taxpayer to underwrite that and by the way you look at Europe just to finish the point they're they're getting away from woke universities France has actually decreed Emmanuel macron ran on this he said that we need to try to reject American woke ideology that is seeping into French institutions so to kind of use your own example Europe's rejecting the very same thing that I believe is infected American higher education thank you for being here tonight I appreciate it thoughtful question thank you uh sorry I got a bit of stage fright uh first of all I'd like to preface my question with two accidents or two things uh firstly huge fan secondly I am a biologist in case anyone would like to refute me what is a woman that's what I'm graduating in this in this this spring but um so I would like to um ask you regarding a logical fallacy um that I've sorry um the idea of the slippery slope has largely been um invalidated in um conversations especially today but I think uh one Axiom that I've seen propagated throughout multiple multiple mediums is that of uh went from let us get married to now we want to teach sexuality to your Elementary schoolers and don't get me wrong I don't care what you do with your life as long as it doesn't impact my life and those around me I like to consider myself an open-minded individual but once you impede on my stuff that's when I start to get a little don't tread on me so I'm I'm I'm very curious as to your um your perception with regards to the idea of the fallacy and if someone were to use that is a logical fallacy against you how would you refute that yeah I get that all the time so people uh will say that look it's not a logical fallacy that things go on a slippery it is a lot of possible I reject the premise I think slippery slopes are true um you look at any sort of course of history you do see incremental erosion of freedoms and Liberties you do see Small Things become big things um I'm not just now the reason it's a logical fallacy just so you understand is it's not applicable to all things that's not to say though that slippery slopes don't happen those are two different things right so if you want to just like take a logic class 101 go through Aristotelian logic you're right it cannot be applied to an argument every time because it's not it's not scientific right there are examples I could give you one like seat belt laws it stopped and it got kind of annoying but it was kind of it just kind of slowed down right that doesn't that's not the same thing as saying though that slippery slopes have not happened and they will continue to happen right for example uh in New York they started with like oh we want abortion to be safe legal and rare and then it's like oh we want late-term abortions and now it's like we're entertaining post-birth abortions which is what they're entertaining in California where you can have abortion up to uh Pat post birth in Colorado okay so that's a slippery slope isn't it so I I hope that helps a little bit where technically it is a logical fallacy because it's not applicable to every issue however you should isolate and say how many slippery slopes have we lived through because it's still a real thing right where where the erosion of Liberty can start at one thing or the erosion of decency or virtue or goodness right so a great example is okay we start with you know same-sex marriage okay that was lost and then we went to you're going to force a baker to make a cake okay that was lost and now it goes to we want to teach five-year-olds about very graphic sex education it's like wow we went a long way from just wanting people of equal rights with marriage to now going to five-year-olds now the reason why they'll call it a logical fallacy is because you cannot scientifically apply it that way or mathematically because it wasn't assuredly going to be a separately slope but there still exists so I I would encourage you to kind of push back on and add some Nuance to that right and if it's it's one of the most insane things like study the history of the Soviet Union and tell me The pre-slope Zone exist right study Cambodia study maoist China right look what's happening you know in Colorado with what you just said the pro-life Bill and some of these other things so I hope that's somewhat helpful um to push back on that a little bit and it's very thoughtful question so thank you appreciate it foreign hey Charlie um I was told to keep it short so I will um so you touched on lgbtq rights a lot you've talked about you know trans bathrooms you gangbam from Twitter very you know awful um but I'm wondering if I can get a straight answer yes or no do you think the acceptance of queer people in society is a good thing well to find acceptance and Define queer because when I grew up that was like a slander so I don't know that's like a thing now uh queer being lesbian gay bisexual transgender um what do you mean acceptance being that you know Society you know you know accepts that doesn't try to change that doesn't try to um say that it's not a social like it's not a good thing for you to be gay it's not a good thing for you to be trans and um and you know in our institutions also just get offering them resources to um you know just come to terms with their sexuality not feel bad about it basically by acceptance I generally mean Society shouldn't make people feel bad about who they are so do you agree with that no no I mean we should feel bad about all sorts of things so I mean yeah Abby to get the mic back up but I mean I'll just ask you a very simple question and this will tell what is a woman a woman assumptually identifies as a woman got it so um so can so do you think a definition of someone be able to become pregnant would be a woman I'm sorry can you repeat the question so if someone can become pregnant would that person be defined as a woman depends on if they identify as a woman right so okay we're now getting to the root of the issue so do you believe that truth is objective or subjective do you believe in absolute truth sure okay so if you believe in absolute truth shouldn't we have absolute terms of what a infant bearing or infant birthing person is otherwise known as a woman no okay so let me ask you let me ask you this a different way I suppose so if anyone can identify anything at any time correct anyone can identity as a woman or a man you could just choose it anytime right gender well sure and right guarantee isn't switching genders all the time it just depends like but that's your position right that's fair to say that you could change your gender my position is that you should accept people's gender identity and you should understand them so let me ask you should we should we accept people that think they're younger than they actually are because that that is that's that's a mental condition where people say I identify as an eight-year-old but they're really 50 should we accept someone be able to say they're younger no but I think that's a very false equivalence why is it a false equivalence because there's scientific research supporting that gender identity is something that is you know like um their scientific research that supports people and says that if you identify as a certain gender then that is like your gender there's this paper on Scientific American I find very interesting that said like you know it has to do with um like your brain formation in the womb where gender identity forms but it's different from sex that's very different from a a disorder where you say I'm not actually on my age because well hold on you just you just agreed with me you said it's a brain formation issue it's a brain was a disorder well so you don't think transgenderism is a disorder no what is gender dysphoria gender dysphoria is when you're very uncomfortable with your um with your own body and that usually relates to gender and that can usually be treated if you choose a transition to right so it's a mental condition right that's well gender dysphoria is but transgenderism is not what's the difference the difference between gender dysphorian and transgenderism trans being transgender means that you don't identify with the gender you're born with gender dysphoria means you're uncomfortable with your body so there are two different things you know there so you cannot be quote unquote transgender without suffering from gender dysphoria so let me ask you one more question so you believe that we can dictate pronouns can I choose my adjectives can I decide to be like super rich or like can someone like can I decide to be small like is there anything objective that we have to actually admit or can you just change anything at any time I think people should have the right to determine their pronouns and I don't know how about adjectives I I don't think people actually do that so I don't know why that's something you're well of course like if someone says I declare I'm rich it's no longer than saying I'm declare I'm a man your chromosomes aren't that way you don't get to choose what your reality is do you you gender identity is reality gen okay so anyone could be anything let me ask how about species reality can I change my species no why there's people that identify as cats and dogs all types of serious mental condition it is it's treated all the time tens of thousands of cases every single year so so basically if you believe in absolute truth which you say you do why wouldn't you believe in absolute truth when it comes to chromosomal structure because gender and chromosomal sex are two different things it's right according to your opinion got it so but now that's now you want to impose that opinion on the rest of society right you could have whatever opinion you want here's our position that opinion should now not applied all of a sudden saying that men and women sports should be conflated final question did you find a moral problem with the University of Pennsylvania swimmer changing from a man to a woman and winning the NCAA Championship defeating other women well I'm not familiar but I'm pretty sure that the NCAA has some rules that makes it so people who transition have like you know kind of a competitive fair thing so I haven't done much research into those rules but yeah okay let me set you up to speed 462nd best male swimmer best female swimmer NCAA Champion do you see a problem with that are you suggesting that she that she transitioned to a woman to get better at swimming of course and we shouldn't allow that to happen why would you transition yourself just to become better at a sport because you're a narcissist that's why because you're it's like it's like saying why would anyone steal anything why would anyone cut in line people do bad things it's not up to us as Society to accommodate the rules for your impulses to go do bad things last question do you think there's differences between men and women was this the actual last question yeah I'm curious no I'm curious because I I can't believe you're paying for this it's like so interesting well there are actual differences between men and women yes in terms of you know chromosomes as you mentioned so yeah sure okay so therefore we agree that men and women have differences we should Define society around those differences and one of those differences is that women are they have lower testosterone levels and they could be easily exploited by men which is what happens far too often and it's incumbent on men who have higher testosterone levels who are physically stronger to protect women against the exploitation of men who think they are women that's a moral question and a moral claim thank you for being here tonight I appreciate it thank you [Music] hello Charlie uh thank you for coming out tonight um so I definitely would say I agree with you on a lot of things um but I guess just to kind of make it fun something uh well not necessarily well so uh you know I'm a guy I'm a plumber I work the trade I'm an anarchist we definitely agree we agree on a lot of stuff but there's there's a couple things yeah we might disagree on we might secession and and various things like that um but really coming here I wanted to I guess ask you um a guy like me young guy what and I think there's a lot of people in the room that probably asked this exact same question um who are more reading uh leaning on the right what can we do to help push the um country in the direction that we want to see it because I don't feel like voting is doing it for us that's what led me voting is important but what can you do we gotta have bigger families we got to support our churches and support our pastors that are proclaiming truth see one in the back fervent church is that right do I see that's amazing great church in Colorado Springs they do such a great job um then we got to get to work we got to build things that last and matter so one of the things is we got to have more conservative business that businesses that are owned by us that share our values so that we're cancel proof that's a real thing regardless of what you think the future of the country looks like it's we we got to start our own businesses now that doesn't excuse us from what I believe holding these current businesses accountable like Disney which has become a child predator operation right and so it's inexcusable what Disney is because it's unbelievable and what really frustrates me about Disney just this side small detour is that they made billions being the safe haven for families for years and then they turn around and they use that against it's just so sick and so wrong but we got to build stuff we have to be positive and forward thinking and I have to say in my kind of mixed bag of analysis this is one thing I really appreciate about Elon Musk is he's a builder and I love Builders there's complainers and there's doers and I gotta say I just standing on like this guy has how many companies he's trying to go to what planet it's remarkable and I and I I and again against some the moral and philosophical claims of what he does he does way too much business with China all that stuff but I think that we as a movement would be better suited like what are we going to build that's ambitious and beautiful are we going to build the next Disney I guarantee you someone in this room right now is the potential to build a multi-billion dollar company that's a real thing right like regardless you might you believe in no government all over fun we can go over that probably never but um the the point is that's a real thing so build things that last build things that are beautiful beautiful families beautiful communities beautiful churches support good businesses take risks be an entrepreneur that's that's more important than voting so I want you to imagine if someone hears what I just said they're like I'm gonna start the next Disney and they do it imagine the cultural impact of that right and you might say oh Charlie that'll never happen I disagree I think the spirit of American entrepreneur hasn't even started taking risks especially on the center right it's like no I'm gonna go start something big bold ambitious and beautiful and we're starting to see more and more people start to do that like we're going to start our own Starbucks I see some people pointing themselves good I believe in you can do it totally Like Only in America can you do really greedy awesome things like I'm living proof of this right I started Turning Point USA 10 years ago when I was 18 years old in the suburbs of Chicago no money no connections no idea what I was doing we're now on thousands of high school and college campuses across the country over 250 people on staff I now have a podcast a radio show all this I look around I'm like only in America could a kid who didn't go to college who no one believed in and then people started to an amazing generosity followed is that possible right and so so for you it's like you're a plumber right then go start and incred like go start the next taskrabbit I'm not kidding like go start a conservative tax rep a great amazing idea for a company by the way whoever came up with taskrabbit I want to meet them it's a phenomenal you don't know what that is it's it's you could hire somebody for a couple hours to go do like putting together a bed frame or like fixing a dishwasher it's a phenomenal idea like you could do that and that's what we need to start thinking of right the positive forward thinking because here's the thing we're dealing with an incredibly suppressive and negative force over our country right now right they want you to think that our country is going to fall apart and like I just went through all the things wrong okay but what are the risks we're going to take to make the country better and one of those are building better families building bigger businesses you know better businesses leaning into our local community helping our local church those are things that last regardless of the criminality of our political class which I think you and I could have a lot of fun talking about so thanks for being here tonight appreciate it person oh hi Charlie that's so cool to see you I remember watching you like 2016 unlike Dave Rubin it's pretty pretty dope you're a killer thank you um so in the beginning of your speech you spoke on the conservatizing moments that happened to a person it's amazing I love that marriage kids owning property the problem I see is the left has the progressivizing narratives of culture they have the climate change catastrophe they have uh the party switch where supposedly the Republicans are the ones responsible for slavery and we go on and on I'm shooting more than I do how do conservative commentators and the conservative moment or movement fight these these this mythological Warfare they wage when us as conservatives can't even agree on whether we believe in anthropogenic or nuclear is the out the answer or carbon capture or maybe we were the racist but now we're not but so how do we do because we we're uh conservatives are much more atomized so how does so my question is is that how does conservative media uh create a like a media Bastion to actually fight this that's a really good question so you're asking how do we win that's basically the essence of your question right like how do we create counter narratives we don't have a party line so yeah so the first thing is it is the easiest way to create a counter narrative is thankfully the insanity the other side so they're doing a lot of it for us and I'll explain what I mean but the second part is I completely agree and I'll kind of elaborate on the struggle the first thing is I believe this woke stuff is so unbelievably stupid it's unpopular it doesn't work it just like doesn't make sense to normal people that they're going to be in for such a reckoning they're not even gonna know what hit them I believe it will be an Extinction event politically for anyone that Associates with woke policies defund the police get rid of the prisons you know this we just went in the whole thing can men become pregnant all this garbage right like that's the stuff where normal everyday people especially Hispanic voters by the way um which you're seeing the biggest shift in re they're like this doesn't make any sense I want out of it totally so that's actually been keeping some of the conservative messaging unified which is anti now there's a lesson in this in the 1980s conservatives were unified in messaging because we all hated the Soviet Union that's all we talked about right hate communism hate the Soviet Union Libertarians got along with conservatives anarchists got along whatever everyone got along because we hate the Soviet Union you're starting to see a little bit Spirit renewed right now if you kind of see like we like even the people that are like Charlie might disagree with you on like I'm a Libertarian but I hate the woke left let's fight them that's good the second part is like we have to do some soul-searching of what does it mean to actually be a conservative and that's the second part right it's like what happens when you win what happens when you govern so here's my here's my standard opinion without getting abstracted from the theory I have a test case now a three and a half year test case what I believe a conservative looks like Ron DeSantis Rhonda Santos is what a conservative looks like and so we don't have to overthink it I think that's a unifying thing right so we can go through it like why Banning critical race Theory not allowing kids to be taught this garbage in schools right not allowing you know no no bail funding the police funding fatherhood initiatives right anti-lockdowns no vaccine mandates right pushing back against these ridiculous Congressional Max like whoa like that's that's a way forward so the question is how do we do it I think we have to elevate and reward the people that do it in tough places and do it with articulation and Charisma earlier in your speech you said that one in five Americans no one in five people in this country will be illegal um in three years um you proposed that securing our borders will help the situation but I also think that our Green Card slash citizenship problem uh process is a problem so how do you suggest that we make it easier for people who want to get in this country legally to do that yeah well first of all um thank you I agree with part of that I don't think so there's this idea that we have to make it easier to get into the country I probably agree with that so I think that we should have a moratorium immigration right now I think we got to slow down we have way too many people coming into America we got a throttle back and digest the meal we got to allow assimilation to happen we got a lot we have way too many people coming into America now that's not saying legal immigration shouldn't go up again I think it could be a phenomenal asset to America and it has been a phenomenal asset but many times in American history specifically the 1950s and early 1960s we ratcheted back to almost zero immigration into America the reason is post-world War II of course you know there was a lot of damage in other places but there was plenty of people that wanted to come to America in the 1950s a ton think about it Europe is destroyed but they said we have a moral obligation to World War II veterans to make sure they have good wages good jobs and we're going to deliver for them that was a moral argument right and so legal immigration should always be viewed through the prism does it benefit the country and the citizens that are already here currently our legal immigration system is so messed up that we prioritize the people that don't share Western values and we don't bring the people that could potentially share Western values I'll give you an example the best example of how our legal immigration system is messed up is Minneapolis have you been to Minneapolis in the last five years it is unrecognizable now people call me a racist for saying this I'm not I don't care I'm going to say it anyway when you have a call to prayer approved by a Minneapolis city council I'm going to tell you that does not mesh with American values I'm sorry it doesn't and when you come into this country and you have someone like Elon Omar that talks endlessly about how awful America is despite being a beneficiary of the generosity and benevolence of America I say there's something fundamentally wrong with that right now I contrast that with some amazing immigrants that come here legally that learn the pledge and they they mesh beautifully into American society so where's the balance right now we have to slow down throttle it back we're doing things way too quickly our Green Card system has a million people coming in every single year so I think that we need to have an English test to come into America I think that there should be that certain countries should be prioritized other over other countries I think certain countries share Western values um and we should be unafraid to say that it's a thought crime I don't care all people are created equal all cultures are not created equal they're not I'm sorry the Chinese Communist party is not an equal culture to America I think there should be a moratorium of Chinese Communist party people coming into America Chinese Communist Party values are not synonymous with Western values they're not instead I want people that fit into the American experiment fit into the story and that's not a racial thing by the way at all whatsoever I believe that Cubans can make some and will make and do make the greatest Americans in America it's not a racial thing and said look at it say Wow is this actually making America more free and fulfilling our obligation to our fellow countrymen what I just said I get attacked wildly for I don't care it's true and someone needs to say it and opening your borders say anyone can come for any reason whatsoever regardless if they speak the language regardless if they agree with Western values regardless of their belief in the constitution is wrong and it's destroying the country from within it is and you see it Minneapolis you have Elon Omar elected the public office she is the mascot for an immigration moratorium you see her like there's something wrong with that she's nothing but negative vile mean things to say about America when she was rescued in a Kenyan refugee camp and brought in by our own benevolence guess what our generosity has been taken advantage over the last 20 years it's time we put our Citizens first thank you um over the last two years during covet I've gotten more into politics and just realizing how important that is in my life as a Christian I have friends that don't quite understand the gender ideology debate and how to interact with people of that Community um while be while being loving but also being a fan of absolute truth um how do you go about that yeah look um just don't lie right we should want the best for all people I do not believe transitioning your gender is the right thing for people I don't I think it's a lie and I think that we should tell people that suicide rates are extremely high for people that transition there's thirty thousand plus people in an open Facebook book a group open Facebook group I should say that are regretting their transition and wish they could reverse it uh transitional regret is a huge thing um and I just think we have to stay very close to biological reality and this is one of the main reasons why we in the English lexicon in the western world have messed up what love is love is not giving people what they want it isn't love is is helping people get towards things that are true good and beautiful and I do not believe assisting or subsidizing someone to chemically castrate themselves is the right thing in any way shape or form now if you want to do that you're like super like into that I guess there is a pocket to do that but especially when you look at children and then children without parental consent and then children about parental consent funded by the government like what are we doing here so how do we talk about this as Christians we should want the best for everybody I pray that someone who's struggling with gender dysphoria can have a collision course with Jesus Christ and give their life to the Lord and realize that they have been living a lie I want that for them I do I don't wish harm upon them but I'm also not going to lie like I'm not gonna do this weird thing that people do it's like well it's your truth it's actually not like God made you a certain way he made you a certain chromosomes you might think you're something right and so here's the other thing which is that people say well it's what they want look we have societal boundaries against what people want all the time right the law is the wise restraint that keeps you free um now I'm not equating this morally so I don't think they're exactly you know similar but if we allow people to do whatever they want we wouldn't have pedophilia laws we wouldn't okay should we draw a line there all right if we allow people to do whatever they want to do whenever they want to do it then we wouldn't have public decency loss but they're getting rid of those too by the way like you know public nudity is allowed in San Francisco which is like of course like the biggest problem I guess they're facing I don't know to allow people to walk around that way so look it all comes down to the question of what is love right so we as we as Christians understand there's four different types of love in the Greek right Aro sagape storge and phileo a brotherly love a father and son love or a mother and son love or a fatherly a kind of Parental love right a romantic love or a sacrificial love right and we conflate all those in the Western World all the time um I believe firmly and you look at the transition regret um and it's it's it will take your breath away and how many people um wish they did not transition so what happens is they get a transition and they're happy for like five years and it goes off a cliff completely all the psychological data shows that so the question really is you know Charlie what do you think our role is this look I've I said it earlier you want to do whatever you want to do like you want to be a vegan you want like that's not my business right however don't ask me to now reconfigure Society that's worked pretty brilliantly for the last 2000 years because of your own personal opinion that is pandering to a hyper vocal a minority that will never be appeased two separate issues right so I could go back and forth like what is good you saw that earlier but the separate issue that shouldn't be a question is what we actually do with Society okay then from a Christian perspective all things with Grace and all things with truth 100 Grace we want people to be born new but do not lie do not lie and that includes calling somebody something that they aren't thank you I appreciate it [Applause] [Music] earlier you mentioned the U.S turning into uh the Soviet Union given the meteoroic rise of anti-wide and anti-American rhetoric and left-wing circles do you believe this language is being used with the intent to turn everyday Americans into kulaks tell people what a cool lock is so a kulak was a um Farmer in the 1930s that owned like an acre of land in the Soviet Union and they were once Friends of the regime of the Stalin regime and immediately they became enemies where anyone that owned land immediately brought got thrown to gulags and thrown to all sorts of different types of areas um yeah look so I'll say this um I I oppose bigotry in every single form and I also oppose bigotry against white people and it really bothers me how people are allowed to say that like openly like the bigotry against white people like oh yeah stop acting so white or I don't like white people like I think that's wrong like we should it's wrong against no matter what skin color you say with that so I just wanted to introduce with that do I think it's a strategy to turn people in the cool locks I don't know that might be a step too far it could be um but do I think that there's a deliberate campaign to try to create an enemy yeah absolutely every Soviet every Soviet or totalitarian or tranical movement needs an other right it needs a movement where they can try and say they're the problem and we need to demonize them I believe it's less racial at times and it's more value-based and it's definitely judeo-christian they want anything that is rooted in judeo-christianity to be the enemy and to try to wipe it out altogether so kulaks are one of the worst uh was one of the worst chapters in Soviet history so um so people could learn a lot from it appreciate it thank you we'll do three more Charlie uh you spoke about immigration about 20 of our population being illegal emergency I've traveled to Sweden four times yep in 1976 had associate prime minister by the name of Olaf Palm who was in the moon immigration from from Somalia from Iraq and it the malays could not be assimilated into Swedish Society they they form ghettos and it backfired on all of palm he was assassinated by uh some Malay immigrant so what's the question don't you think that we need more immigration you know if you think we need to uh you know to find our border patrols we have our right of work and yeah uh uh that's been my whole uh deal yeah look I think we need restricted immigration I said that earlier um and I think we need to take a pause to allow this Mass influx of people into America an opportunity to assimilate and to see whether or not this is actually benefiting the American citizen the American worker what you talk about in Sweden is absolutely true the Swedish Democrats which is the conservative party in Sweden is they're they're set for a huge electoral Landslide because of mass immigration thank you for your question I'm sorry we got to get to the next one [Applause] coming um I have edited this question down and I'll try to get to the point man um what do you think is what is your opinion about the use of psychedelic drugs in relative terms to therapy I know it's a controversial topic I don't know enough about it uh let me be very clear um I'm not in favor of the legalization of weed I was against it when it happened I'm against it now I think that weed does not improve The Human Condition I think it makes you less free not more free not a popular opinion to say here in Colorado I don't care I'm going to say things that are true um I I personally visiting Colorado my whole life the moment you legalize weed this place become Messier dirtier less enjoyable the minute that you guys legalize you know however that's not the question right I don't know enough about psychedelic drugs or their potential therapeutic um uh sort of uh benefits I will say ketamine therapy which is intravenously administered is a type of psychedelic it is a mushroom and there's some phenomenal data to show that ketamine therapy given intravenously can help people with alcohol addiction depression anxiety so in a controlled medical environment I actually support the introduction of some of these but that's that's not like so people will say like LSD I I think that's all a bunch of garbage but ketamine in particular is technically a psychedelic which is a very very promising new kind of thing on the Block if you will that's helping people break through depression anxiety and all of that but I think we got to be really careful going too far east if you will into some of this stuff I know people's lives that have been so damaged by Ayu Oscar it's not a joke everybody do not do it uh Ayahuasca is a psychedelic it's done in Central and South America people are opening up if you don't know what Ayahuasca is watch the vice documentary I bet a lot of the kids know who I use I probably mispronouncing it but um it's that's a psyched and they say it's for medical purposes and I'd seen it destroy people's lives I didn't anticipate talking about psychedelics tonight but thank you for the question
