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Charlie Kirk Shooting: Security Plan Denied, New Angle Evidence Emerges From Utah Valley University
A shocking development in the Charlie Kirk shooting investigation reveals Utah Valley University has denied public access to the security plan under state records laws. New video evidence shows multiple potential vantage points where a shooter could have had a clear line of sight to Kirk during the rally. The university's handling of security arrangements raises serious questions, especially considering standard security protocols at major universities typically include detailed plans for public figures. With hundreds of witnesses present and the security team's failure to cover critical areas, the investigation takes an increasingly complex turn as experts call for 3D modeling to determine exact shooting angles.
University Denies Access to Security Documents
Utah Valley University has taken the unusual step of denying Fox 13 News's request for a copy of the Charlie Kirk rally security plan. The university cited a provision in state records laws that keeps confidential "security measures," claiming that releasing the information could hurt the ongoing investigation. This denial has raised eyebrows among security experts who note that such transparency is typically standard at university events.
A former university administrator with over 10 years of experience working at MIT, Boston University, Northeastern, and Harvard explained that something appears fundamentally wrong with how this event was handled. Standard university event forms typically include a section requesting security arrangements and detailing what protection is needed. In this particular case, that standard inquiry was mysteriously absent from the documentation.
Security Failures at the Rally
One of the most troubling aspects of the incident involves the absence of security personnel on the roof where the shooting allegedly occurred. Charlie Kirk's security team has stated that Utah Valley University was supposed to handle roof security, yet no one was positioned there during the event. This represents a significant breakdown in security protocol.
Adding to the complexity, the same security team that failed to protect Kirk is now providing protection for his wife, Erika. The university has either been unable or unwilling to explain why standard security measures were not in place, leading to speculation about whether they have been legally restricted from commenting by the investigating judge.
New Video Evidence Reveals Potential Shooting Angles
Recently obtained video footage shows a previously unconsidered angle from which the shooter may have operated. The footage reveals a pole near a waterfall and courtyard area, with Kirk clearly visible from that position. The distance from this vantage point to Kirk's location measures approximately 94 feet, making it theoretically possible for a shooter to have a clear line of sight.
The video shows the area was packed with students and attendees. People filled the stairwells, crowded the tops of buildings, and occupied spaces all around the concrete walkway that circles the area. Anyone positioned on either side of this concrete structure, or on the upper level, could theoretically have taken a shot at Kirk. However, the presence of hundreds of potential witnesses in these areas complicates the theory that a shooter could have operated undetected from these positions.
Analyzing Multiple Possible Shooter Locations
Several locations have been proposed as potential shooting positions. Initial theories suggested the shooter may have been positioned on a plant area or top patio, but more recent analysis points to the edge of a building overlooking the courtyard. The challenge with determining the exact location lies in establishing whether a shooter could actually see Kirk through the tent and around the crowd.
From certain angles on the building's side, Kirk's head and neck would have been clearly visible, making those positions viable for a shooter. However, the same cannot be said for all proposed locations. Some vantage points that appear plausible on Google Earth may not have provided an actual line of sight once the tent structure and crowd are properly accounted for.
Another theory, proposed by Dr. Chris Martinson of Peak Prosperity, suggests the shot may have come from a different building entirely. Without proper 3D modeling that accounts for the tent structure, crowd positioning, and elevation differences, it remains difficult to definitively rule in or out various shooting positions.
The Need for 3D Modeling and Reconstruction
Security analysts and investigators are calling for detailed 3D modeling of the entire courtyard area. Such a model would need to include accurate scale representations of the tent, a properly positioned dummy representing Kirk's location, and all surrounding structures. This would allow investigators to test every potential shooting position by virtually recreating the scene.
With accurate 3D modeling using software like AutoCAD or 3ds Max, analysts could examine every spot around the courtyard to determine which locations would have provided a clear shot. The modeling would also help establish whether people in the crowd would have blocked the shooter's view from various positions, and whether shots from certain angles match the reported trajectory of the bullet.
Such detailed reconstruction would also help evaluate whether shots from the Losee Building or other surrounding structures were feasible, taking into account the positions of attendees and the tent structure that may have obscured the shooter's view.
Questions About Standard Security Protocols
The absence of standard security measures has become a central issue in understanding how this incident occurred. Former university security personnel note that when public figures speak at universities, security is routinely provided regardless of the speaker's level of fame. The example was given of Matt Damon speaking at an MIT commencement, where security personnel were positioned everywhere throughout the venue.
The fact that basic security protocols appear to have been ignored or inadequately implemented at the Kirk event represents a significant departure from standard university practices. The refusal to release the security plan prevents the public from understanding what arrangements were actually made and where the breakdown occurred.
Ongoing Investigation and Community Involvement
As the investigation continues, members of the online community interested in the case are being asked to contribute their expertise. Specifically, anyone with experience in 3D modeling or computer-aided design is being encouraged to create detailed reconstructions of the scene that could help establish the facts of what occurred.
The RangeDayBro channel, which has been conducting its own analysis of the shooting angles, has been asked to repeat their tests with properly scaled models of both the tent and a human figure positioned as Kirk was during the event. Such testing would provide much more reliable data about whether the proposed shooting angles are actually feasible.
Until more detailed forensic reconstruction work is completed, many questions about the shooting will remain unanswered. The combination of the university's refusal to release security documents, the apparent failures in basic security protocols, and the multiple potential shooting positions makes this one of the most complex security incident investigations in recent university history.
Video Transcript
Hey everyone, just doing a quick test.
I'm planning to start going and doing
live streams on a somewhat regular basis
and uh just want to test out the
equipment. So, let me know if you can
hear me, if you can give me a thumbs up.
Hey, Charles Hill 9946.
Just trying to uh make sure everything's
good here. I do have one interesting
short video to show and uh one thing I'm
going to be putting a much more detailed
video on that I kind of want to talk
about, but uh sounds good. Okay,
awesome. So, what I'm going to do is
first thing I want to do is show this
very interesting video.
So, this is also going to be another
audio that I need to make sure works.
And this is for a YouTube video. So if
if you can't hear it when she starts
talking, please let me know.
>> Guys, I've been doing this for a long
time. I worked at universities for over
10 years. I worked at different schools.
So I worked at MIT. I worked at Boston
University. I worked at Northeastern. I
worked a little bit temp at at Harvard,
but I've worked at different
universities. And I'm here to tell you
something here is not right. Why is it
that all of a sudden something that is a
standard for events at Utah Valley
University is not present on the form?
>> Okay, so what she's talking about here
is there's a document and it's basically
for any event. It's pretty standard. So
you go in there and you basically tell
them uh this is the protection I need.
This is this the security I'm requesting
and they they're supposed to ask you
that. And that's pretty standard at all
these different campuses and colleges.
And now listen to what she says about in
their specific case what happened
>> for this particular event. That is very
weird. And remember when this shooting
happened, one of the questions that I
did have was okay, where was security?
Where was campus security? This is just
unheard of guys. When I worked at MIT,
Matt Damon was one of the commencement
speakers. When Matt Damon came to speak
for graduation, there was security
everywhere. And it's not just someone
who's a celebrity. If you're a public
figure and you're speaking at a
university, security is provided.
So something here is off.
Wait till you hear this part.
That's a standard inquiry at, for
example, University of Utah events.
Speaking of police, UVU has denied Fox
13 News's request for a copy of the Kirk
Rally security plan. The university is
citing a provision in state records laws
keeping confidential quote security
measures end quote.
>> Let me show you something that makes me
furious.
>> So basically what they're saying is that
whatever security setup they had going
on with Charlie Kirk, they're not
releasing it publicly. And that is very
strange. That is not normal. Every time
I see it, this is a rare tax return for
someone making $284,972.
>> Okay. So, they have denied a copy of the
security plan. So, you can see it here.
Access is denied under the following
grammar provisions. So, so here's the
thing.
They feel as though this could hurt the
investigation. So, so here here we go.
Right.
So, not only did they not have people on
the roof,
supposedly did Charlie Kirk security
team, which is still protecting his
wife, uh, Erica, which is interesting as
well. So, they failed to protect him and
now they're protecting Erica. Lots of
stranges going on with them. And then
you have the situation where the
university did not release or won't
release whatever security agreement they
had, which is not normal either. Now,
were they gagged by the judge? Maybe.
But very, very sketchy. And the fact
that there was no one on the roof. Their
their security team for Charlie Kirk
specifically said that UVU was going to
handle the roof and then there was no
one up there. So, all of this stinks.
But, and excuse me as I'm getting used
to this uh software here for my first
live stream.
Sounds good in Dallas. Hey, Dallas. We
are out here in the Midwest. All right.
So, one thing I wanted to show you guys.
[cheering] So, I did originally talk
about um here we go. Let me get this
video up. So, originally I talked about
even just yesterday I was talking about
the range day bro and the angle how it
wouldn't work. Thing is very interesting
is
this video came last night. Of course,
you guys have tons of videos and uh very
interesting information that not
everyone has. So, I didn't have this
information yesterday, but what it is is
a video that shows [cheering]
a very interesting angle. So, I'm kind
of going to paint this out for you and
then I'll show you on Google Google um
Google Earth. So, you have this pole
here, right? Here's kind of the
waterfall and the courtyard. And let's
come over here. Let me get the right
angle. Right there. So, you can see
Charlie Kirk. And I don't know how well
you can see it, but you can see him. And
I can see his head. So, in theory, at
this distance, which we'll see here is
about 94 or so feet. You can see Charlie
Kirk. And if you were the shooter, you
could theoretically hit him from this
angle. So, now let's jump over and give
in that other video. We saw there was
that pole and then Charlie's tent is
down here in the courtyard and then
there was the other tent that was up
here. But what I want to show you is the
people that were filming that last
video, we're standing right on top of
this building around this spot. So from
that spot over into the courtyard, it's
about from this pole to Charlie's tent
was about about 94 ft, something like
that. And then from the spot that they
say like range day bro shot from the
back is way over here.
And that one from this spot they said
somewhere around this vantage point,
right? Um so somewhere in this area or
maybe up on this these solar panels
whatever this is shooting down into the
courtyard. See if I can get a better
angle here. So that person's shooting
kind of through there. If you can see
that. So they're shooting from here down
into that courtyard. So theoretically
from this angle, I still am not 100%
convinced that it would hit him in the
back of his head and come out through
his neck. I'm still not convinced of
that, but um you can see maybe they
could see them from there. Now, if you
were to go back over here on this side
of the building
up here, you could clearly see his head
and his neck and everything else. You
could theoretically take a shot there.
If you go the same distance on the other
side, that puts you up here on this
building. Or as you can see these
stairs.
So in that other image or the other
video that we saw, someone theoretically
could have been in with this crowd.
There were people here in this window
and then there were people up here on
the roof and tons of people on these
stairs and all across the top of this
building. and anyone from about this
pole like basically either side of this
concrete.
So you have this concrete walk that kind
of goes around here from either side
on top up here on this level. Anyone
could have taken a shot and
theoretically hit Charlie Kirk from
there. The only problem with that is and
you'll see back in this other video,
[cheering]
look at how many people there are. So
let's go over here to about
there. So you'll see maybe even a little
bit more. There we go. So it's packed
this whole I mean so all the way across
here all these students, all the people
going through here in this building,
that little area there is packed with
students. The stairwells, everything's
packed. The top of that building where
the brown is, all of that is packed. So
if someone shot from there, there's
hundreds of witnesses. They would have
seen the person, they would have seen
the gun and all those type of things.
But my point here is from this video
that was sent to me last night, you can
theoretically.
Yeah, I do see that. Um, Tanis 8596. I
did see that. Yep. Um,
let's see. Not across all top of the
building because part yellow part was
tapped off. Okay. So, um, wherever these
people are standing and then plus the
opposite end, you can see that there's
people there. So from the 96ish
feet to 100 feet, they can get
theoretically the angle from this side
or the other side. But again, there's
people all over it. So I highly doubt
the shooter is going to be standing in
with a crowd of hundreds of thousands of
people with a gun. But theoretically,
could that happen if there was a group
of people that came in for that purpose
and they were surrounded basically by
their their other buddies or other
militia or whoever may have done this? I
don't know. Um the scale of the picture
seems off.
Um scale of the picture in the Google
Earth or scale of this video.
So I guess my point is um the chance of
a shot in these areas is pretty slim.
But if you go to this other side and you
look at Google Earth, if you were to
shoot from where a lot of people are
saying, not just Range Day, bro, but
they're saying initially it was like a
plant up here or this top patio.
Now they're saying it's back here right
on the edge of this building. Uh Google
Earth is not the best to use. All right.
Um like from this vantage point down
into that courtyard if I move forward a
little bit. So Charlie Kirk would have
been down there. So, what we really need
is
somebody please in the community. If you
know anyone that does like AutoCAD or
3ds Max or 3D modeling, we really need
this whole courtyard modeled with a
scale of the tent and a scale of a
person under the tent and approximately
the location of Charlie Kirk because
then we could do these vantage points
and these different shots. We could
actually go
all around this entire thing.
We could go through this entire area and
look at every single spot that works
where you could actually see Charlie
Kirk. And I'm actually interested too to
see it from the Losi building over here.
I'm pretty sure that shot, you know, it
lines up if he was there in the tent.
But what I want to see is would people
be in the way? So, if you're here at
this vantage point,
so say I'm somewhere in here, can I
still see Charlie Kirk with all the
people that were there standing around
everywhere and that kind of stuff?
Because some of the shots you don't
really see. You just see the top edge of
the tent. You don't see inside at all.
So, if someone could do that, that would
take away a lot of the guessing. And
even the other theories like
um peak uh peak prosperity, you know,
Chris, he's saying that he thought maybe
it came from this other building over
here.
Can someone shoot from here
and see Charlie Kirk through the tent? I
don't know. But that's kind of what
we're looking at. So that's kind of what
I wanted to show. um the document kind
of showing that they're not releasing
what the security arrangements were for
better or worse. And then also the fact
that in theory the shot from the back
could work, but it would have to be a
position where you could see into the
tent properly. So until we have some
kind of modeling or something, we're not
really going to know. But RangeJ bro, if
you watch this, please do the test
again. And when you do it, put a two
scale tent and then a two scale dummy in
there. in the same position before you
take that shot and then we'll actually
get a better idea of what's going on.
But [snorts] I definitely appreciate you
guys stopping by. Again, this was kind
of just a test, but I will start doing
these live streams more often and maybe
on a regular basis. So, as always, like
and subscribe and we'll see you on the
next one.