Charlie Kirk's Accused Killer Laughs in Court

[00:00] Tyler Robinson, the man accused of

[00:01] murdering Charlie Kirk, laughing with

[00:03] his attorneys before court as he sits in

[00:06] a Utah County courtroom for the very

[00:08] first time for a hearing related to his

[00:10] murder case. And he's in street clothes

[00:12] as Charlie Kirk's widow fires back at

[00:15] conspiracy theorists, cashing in on her

[00:18] husband's murder.

[00:19] >> I want justice for my husband, for

[00:22] myself, for my family more than anyone

[00:24] else out there.

[00:25] >> I take a look at the very latest in the

[00:27] case. What we know about Charlie Kirk's

[00:29] alleged assassin [music] and how

[00:31] Robinson's attorneys are borrowing a

[00:33] page from another high-profile cases

[00:35] playbook.

[00:44] Welcome to Crime Fix. I'm Yanette Levy.

[00:46] It's been exactly three months since an

[00:49] assassin's bullet took the life of

[00:51] conservative activist and commentator

[00:53] Charlie Kirk in an instant on the campus

[00:55] of Utah Valley University. Charlie Kirk

[00:58] was only 31 years old, a husband and a

[01:01] father to two young children, known for

[01:04] going to college campuses to challenge

[01:06] college students, inviting them up to an

[01:09] open mic to discuss ideas. Not everyone

[01:12] agreed with Charlie Kirk, but he was

[01:13] willing to engage. After a 33-hour

[01:16] manhunt, officials announced that

[01:18] 22-year-old Tyler Robinson had been

[01:21] taken into custody.

[01:22] >> Robinson's mother explained that over

[01:24] the last year or so, Robinson had become

[01:27] more political and had started to lean

[01:31] more to the left, becoming more pro-gay

[01:34] and trans rightsoriented.

[01:37] She stated that Robinson began to date

[01:39] his roommate, a biological male who was

[01:42] transi trans transitioning genders.

[01:46] This resulted in several discussions

[01:48] with family members, but especially

[01:51] between Robinson and his father who have

[01:54] very different political views. In one

[01:57] conversation before the shooting,

[01:59] Robinson mentioned that Charlie Kirk

[02:01] would be holding an event at UVU, which

[02:05] Robert Robinson said was a stupid venue

[02:09] for the event. Robinson accused Kirk of

[02:13] spreading hate.

[02:14] >> Now, we learned that Tyler Robinson was

[02:16] a one-time straight A student who left

[02:18] college after just one semester for

[02:20] unknown reasons. He'd been living with a

[02:22] transgender roommate who was

[02:24] transitioning from male to female at the

[02:27] time of Charlie Kirk's murder. And

[02:29] Robinson was a gamer active on Steam and

[02:31] possibly involved in furry culture.

[02:34] Robinson was active on Discord and a

[02:36] spokesperson for the company told me in

[02:38] September that Robinson's account made

[02:40] statements about the shooting after it

[02:42] had happened. Utah County's prosecutor

[02:45] read text between Robinson and his

[02:47] roommate in which he said Robinson

[02:49] confessed to murdering Charlie Kirk.

[02:51] >> Roommate, how long have you been

[02:53] planning this? Robinson, a bit over a

[02:57] week, I believe. I can get close to it,

[03:00] but there is a squad car parked right by

[03:02] it. I think they already swept that

[03:05] spot, but I don't want to chance it.

[03:08] Robinson again. I'm wishing I had

[03:11] circled back and grabbed it as soon as I

[03:13] got to my vehicle. I'm worried what my

[03:16] old man would do if I didn't bring back

[03:18] Grandpa's rifle.

[03:21] Ide if it's had a serial number, but it

[03:25] wouldn't trace to me. I worry about

[03:27] Prince. I had to leave it in a bush

[03:30] where I changed outfits. Didn't have the

[03:32] ability or time to bring it with. I

[03:36] might have to abandon it and hope they

[03:38] don't find Prince.

[03:40] How the f will I explain losing it to my

[03:43] old man? Only thing I left was the

[03:46] rapple was the rifle wrapped in a towel.

[03:50] Remember how I was engraving bullets?

[03:53] The effing messages are mostly a big

[03:56] meme. If I see notice Bulge UW on Fox

[04:02] New, I might have a stroke. All right,

[04:05] I'm gonna have to leave it. That really

[04:08] effing sucks.

[04:10] Judging from today, I'd say Grandpa's

[04:12] Gun does just fine. IDK. I think that

[04:16] was a two thou a 2K dollar scope.

[04:22] Wink wink.

[04:24] Um, Robinson, Robinson again, delete

[04:28] this exchange

[04:31] again. Robinson, my dad wants photos of

[04:33] the rifle. He says grandpa wants to know

[04:35] who has what. The feds released a photo

[04:39] of the rifle and it is very unique. He's

[04:42] calling me. RN, not answering. Robinson.

[04:47] Since Trump got into office, my dad has

[04:50] been pretty diehard MAGA.

[04:53] Robinson. I'm gonna turn myself in

[04:56] willingly. One of my neighbors here is a

[04:59] deputy for the sheriff.

[05:02] Again, you are all I worry about. Love

[05:04] that came from Robinson. Roommate, I'm

[05:07] much more worried about you. Robinson,

[05:10] don't talk to the media. Please don't

[05:12] take any interviews or make any

[05:15] comments. If any police ask you

[05:18] questions, ask for a lawyer and stay

[05:21] silent. Now, right now, Tyler Robinson

[05:24] is the only person charged in Charlie

[05:26] Kirk's murder, but the investigation is

[05:28] ongoing. But that hasn't stopped

[05:30] conspiracy theories from spreading like

[05:32] wildfire on the internet and on YouTube

[05:35] among podcasters and others. Erica Kirk,

[05:38] Charlie Kirk's widow, addressed that on

[05:40] the Fox News Channel show Outnumbered

[05:42] this week.

[05:44] >> Anytime we hear a lead or anytime we

[05:46] hear anything, we send it to the

[05:47] authorities. Please dig into this. No

[05:50] rock will be unturned. I want justice

[05:53] for my husband, for myself, for my

[05:56] family more than anyone else out there.

[05:59] So for me, you want to keep telling me

[06:01] to come down while we're we're building.

[06:03] I don't have time for that.

[06:05] >> But here's my breaking point on that.

[06:08] Come after me. Call me names. I don't

[06:10] care. Call me what you want. Go down

[06:12] that rabbit hole, whatever.

[06:15] But when you go after my family, my

[06:18] Turning Point USA family, my Charlie

[06:20] Kirk show family, when you go after the

[06:22] people that I love, and you're making

[06:24] hundreds and thousands of dollars every

[06:28] single episode

[06:30] going after the people that I love

[06:32] because somehow they're in on this.

[06:35] No. And there have been people who've

[06:37] actually suggested that people at

[06:39] Turning Point USA had something to do

[06:41] with Charlie Kirk's murder. Now, we've

[06:43] only seen Tyler Robinson during a court

[06:46] appearance once, and that was via Zoom

[06:48] from the jail during his first

[06:49] appearance.

[06:51] >> Calling case 25143576,

[06:56] State of Utah versus Tyler James

[06:58] Robinson. Could you state your name?

[07:02] >> Tyler James Robinson.

[07:05] >> Thank you for being here, Mr. Robinson.

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[08:20] During that court appearance, Tyler

[08:22] Robinson was wearing a green turtle suit

[08:24] used for people who are on watch to

[08:26] ensure they can't end their lives. At

[08:28] Robinson's subsequent court appearance,

[08:30] he appeared via WebEx with his camera

[08:33] off.

[08:33] >> I remain steadfast in my oath that I

[08:35] made 56 days ago to support and defend

[08:38] the Constitutions of the United States

[08:41] and of Utah. I will carry out my duties

[08:43] with fidelity, transparency, and

[08:46] impartiality.

[08:47] Treating every person who appears before

[08:49] me with the dignity and respect they are

[08:52] inherently due because they are human

[08:54] beings. Let me be clear. I will not put

[08:58] my finger on the scale of justice. These

[09:01] proceedings will be open to the public,

[09:03] conducted in accordance with the law,

[09:05] and handled with diligence and

[09:07] competence to ensure that justice is

[09:10] never compromised. It is the standing

[09:13] order of this court that Mr. Robinson

[09:15] shall be allowed to appear in person so

[09:17] he can fully engage with his attorneys

[09:20] and participate in these legal

[09:22] proceedings.

[09:24] council. Regardless of who is watching,

[09:27] whether it is the nation or a single

[09:29] individual, we must fulfill our roles

[09:32] with integrity,

[09:34] civility, and diligence.

[09:36] >> Since that time, the judge held a closed

[09:38] hearing, and now the media wants the

[09:41] transcript of that hearing. Judge Graph

[09:43] has granted a motion to allow Tyler

[09:45] Robinson to appear in street clothes for

[09:48] all pre-trial hearings, but he has to

[09:50] wear restraints.

[09:52] >> Mr. Robinson also requests to appear

[09:54] unrestrained during pre-trial

[09:55] proceedings. He argues that visible

[09:58] restraints would prejudice potential

[09:59] jurors, undermine his dignity, and

[10:02] interfere with his ability to

[10:04] communicate with counsel. Rule 3-414

[10:10] sub 9C of the Utah Rules of Judicial

[10:12] Administration requires that all in

[10:15] custody defendants be restrained unless

[10:17] otherwise ordered by the court. The

[10:21] court recognizes that Mr. Robinson has

[10:24] no criminal history and no record of

[10:26] misconduct while in custody. However,

[10:30] the charges he faces are extraordinarily

[10:32] serious, carrying potential penalties of

[10:35] life imprisonment or death.

[10:38] The safety of Mr. Robinson, the

[10:40] attorneys, court staff, and the public

[10:43] must remain the court's highest

[10:45] priority. The emotional nature of these

[10:48] proceedings also raise the risk of

[10:50] disruption. Given these factors,

[10:54] the defendant's request to appear

[10:55] without restraint is denied. The court

[10:59] directs the sheriff's department to

[11:01] conduct an individualized assessment and

[11:03] use the least restrictive

[11:05] restraints necessary to maintain safety.

[11:09] If those restraint restraints impede the

[11:11] defendant's ability to communicate with

[11:13] counsel or take notes, council may renew

[11:17] the motion.

[11:19] I wish now to also address the decorum

[11:22] and media restrictions.

[11:24] To mitigate any potential prejudice, the

[11:26] court will amend its standing decorum

[11:28] order. The media will be prohibited from

[11:31] photographing or visually recording Mr.

[11:33] Robinson's restraints and from

[11:35] photographing or recording him while

[11:38] entering, exiting, or standing in the

[11:41] courtroom.

[11:42] >> In a shirt and tie, Tyler Robinson

[11:44] appeared in that Utah County courtroom

[11:46] under heavy, heavy security. He spoke to

[11:49] his lawyers and smiled, even appearing

[11:51] to laugh at times. The hearing was in

[11:54] part because the media wants access to

[11:56] transcripts from that closed hearing

[11:58] from October where courtroom security

[12:00] measures were discussed. The media

[12:02] coalition's lawyers wrote that the media

[12:04] should have access to the transcript,

[12:07] citing several cases. This right of

[12:09] access has a timehonored history rooted

[12:12] in the acknowledgement that courts do

[12:14] the public's business, and an open court

[12:16] fosters and protects important societal

[12:18] values. It enhances the quality and

[12:21] safeguards the integrity of the factf

[12:23] finding process. Improves basic fairness

[12:26] and the appearance of fairness in the

[12:28] proceedings. Fosters public confidence

[12:31] in the judicial process and acceptance

[12:34] of its results. Acts as a check on the

[12:36] judiciary and allows the public to

[12:39] participate in government. Although

[12:41] members of the public may not attend

[12:43] criminal proceedings in large numbers,

[12:45] the news media acts as the public's

[12:47] surrogate in attending such proceedings

[12:49] and reporting to the public, thus

[12:51] educating the public. Now, back to the

[12:53] hearing.

[12:53] >> It comes down we're addressing three

[12:55] issues. The first is the October 14th,

[12:59] 2025 audio recording of the closed

[13:02] hearing and the October 24th, 2025

[13:05] transcript of that hearing. The second

[13:08] is a state's motion to amend or clarify

[13:11] the publicity order commonly known or

[13:14] referred to as the gag order. And

[13:17] finally, the motion for limited

[13:19] intervention and request for notice of

[13:21] motions to close, seal or reclassify

[13:25] um and which has been filed by the media

[13:29] organizations and by council who are

[13:31] present today. So as we begin the first

[13:35] part is we'll begin by addressing the

[13:37] October 14th audio recording and the

[13:39] October 24th transcript. This portion of

[13:43] the hearing will be closed so that I may

[13:46] hear from the parties regarding which

[13:48] portions of the recording uh the record

[13:52] should remain sealed.

[13:53] >> Thank you. Richard Novak for Mr.

[13:55] Robinson. Um Mr. Robinson has some

[13:57] immediate family members who are

[13:58] present. his father, his mother, and his

[14:00] brother. And we would ask the court to

[14:02] permit them to remain in the courtroom

[14:05] during the closed portion of the hearing

[14:07] >> to the state.

[14:10] My only concern with that, your honor,

[14:12] is that we're going to be talking about

[14:13] court security measures and um

[14:19] I don't know that we'll have to go into

[14:20] a lot of detail about that, but I do

[14:22] have concerns about uh those issues

[14:25] being discussed

[14:27] in public.

[14:28] >> All right, Mr. Novak, do you have

[14:29] authority that supports allowing them to

[14:31] remain in a closed hearing?

[14:34] >> Uh, no. I think it's subject to the

[14:36] court's discretion to decide who is and

[14:38] is not an appropriate member of the

[14:41] public. Um, I think they have a unique

[14:43] relationship with Mr. Robinson and

[14:45] they're they um would certainly abide by

[14:49] any orders the court makes concerning

[14:54] um disclosure of what is discussed in

[14:57] closed session but obviously it's up to

[14:59] the court.

[14:59] >> Thank you Mr. Novak. I'm going to rule

[15:02] that uh they will be excluded as well.

[15:04] It is just given the nature and the

[15:06] sensitivity of it I believe it is

[15:09] appropriate to treat all parties in all

[15:11] in the public equally. though I do

[15:12] recognize uh their relationship with Mr.

[15:16] Robinson.

[15:17] >> So, this is really interesting because

[15:18] we had been told that Tyler Robinson's

[15:20] parents played a role in turning him in,

[15:22] but now they're apparently in court to

[15:24] support him. Most families would support

[15:26] their loved one going through something

[15:28] like this. But we don't know if this

[15:30] means that they believe he's in fact

[15:32] innocent or not. Tyler Robinson appears

[15:35] to get along well with his lawyers. They

[15:37] have mentioned in some court documents

[15:39] that they don't want cameras in the

[15:40] courtroom. And this kind of reminds me

[15:42] of Brian Cobberger's lawyers, another

[15:45] high-profile death penalty defendant who

[15:48] later pleaded guilty. Cobberger's

[15:50] lawyers also asked that he appear in

[15:52] street clothes at hearings, and they won

[15:53] that motion. But I don't think that's

[15:55] uncommon. I've seen that request granted

[15:57] in a number of high-profile cases over

[16:00] the years. Now, back to court after that

[16:02] closed session. We're going back on the

[16:04] record in case 25143576,

[16:08] State of Utah versus Tyler James

[16:10] Robinson. I note the presence of council

[16:13] that previously entered their

[16:14] appearances.

[16:16] Uh we have come out of the closed

[16:18] session and uh concluded that business.

[16:21] However, uh the court became aware of an

[16:26] event that happened before

[16:38] And my understanding was during the open

[16:43] uh portion of this hearing earlier that

[16:46] there was a violation of the standing

[16:49] decorum order as it relates to

[16:52] transmission of these proceedings.

[16:55] Uh, I want to hear from council and and

[16:58] then I will make a ruling concerning

[17:01] that.

[17:01] >> So, this was a big deal. This was the

[17:04] first hearing where Tyler Robinson

[17:05] appeared in person in the courtroom in

[17:08] plain clothes and the media had been

[17:10] ordered to not show Tyler Robinson's

[17:13] restraints. Robinson's lawyers asked

[17:15] that the TV camera be removed.

[17:17] >> Um, it is our position, the defense

[17:20] position, that there has been a

[17:21] violation of the decorum order. It is

[17:24] our understanding that those live

[17:26] streaming this uh signed and declared

[17:30] that they would follow the decorum order

[17:32] and they violated it. So we are

[17:34] requesting a sanction. We believe these

[17:36] court's orders are binding and they need

[17:39] to be respected. Um we also believe that

[17:42] it threatens my client's right to a fair

[17:44] trial. It's the whole reason we filed a

[17:47] motion in the first place to remove his

[17:49] shackles. It's our understanding that

[17:52] his shackles are visible. It is also our

[17:55] understanding that potentially some

[17:57] audio from council table was heard. Um

[18:01] we are definitely taking more measures

[18:04] on our own to ensure that that does not

[18:07] happen again. But there has also been

[18:09] some filming of computers and materials

[18:12] at council's desk. That's entirely

[18:15] inappropriate. And I think everybody in

[18:18] this room will agree that's entirely

[18:20] inappropriate. So, we are asking for

[18:23] some remedial measures here. We're

[18:24] asking for it to terminate for today.

[18:27] Um, and we can proceed after that.

[18:29] >> Now, the attorney for the media argued

[18:31] to keep the cameras in the courtroom.

[18:33] >> This is the first time that we've heard

[18:35] about the violation. We've not had an

[18:37] opportunity to look at the video or

[18:39] investigate the audio or look at the the

[18:42] capture of the computers, but filming of

[18:46] the uh the inadvertent filming of the

[18:48] shackles. I did talk to the pool

[18:50] photographer. My understanding is that

[18:52] there was a zoom out shot that did

[18:55] inadvertently uh show the shackles. That

[18:57] was improper. Uh that was inadvertent.

[19:01] Um and we apologize for that. Um they've

[19:04] taken measures to make sure that the

[19:06] pool video that is disseminated to the

[19:09] rest of the pool does not contain any

[19:12] capture of the defendant in the

[19:14] shackles.

[19:14] >> Judge Graph showed a lot of grace and he

[19:17] allowed the camera to stay in the

[19:18] courtroom despite the violation.

[19:20] >> This court does have the right and will

[19:23] exercise termination of broadcast of

[19:26] these proceedings. and and and I I

[19:29] simply want to put all parties on notice

[19:32] to the press to all parties that this

[19:35] court takes this very seriously. While

[19:37] the court believes in openness and

[19:39] transparency, it needs to be balanced

[19:42] with the constitutional rights of all

[19:44] parties in this case. As such, we will

[19:48] take a brief recess to allow the

[19:50] relocation of the camera. Then the

[19:52] prosecutor asks that the publicity order

[19:54] in the case, we would usually call it a

[19:56] gag order, be clarified in

[19:59] >> so in other words, the prosecution team.

[20:01] And there's no rule or case law or

[20:05] statute that expands the prosecution's

[20:07] duties beyond um that group, the

[20:10] prosecution team. So um with respect to

[20:17] clarity, we're seeking clarity as to

[20:20] what exactly does the court mean by

[20:22] witnesses. And we think the court just

[20:25] means the prosecution team because if

[20:28] the that term stretches beyond just the

[20:31] prosecution team, then the order is

[20:33] written uh we don't believe is a a valid

[20:36] and lawful order because

[20:40] it would result in a prior restraint on

[20:43] certain speech and at the very least

[20:46] would have a chilling effect on that

[20:48] speech. Judge Graph says that the

[20:50] prosecution is claiming that there are

[20:52] apparently 3,000 lay witnesses to the

[20:55] assassination in this case.

[20:58] >> Due to the potential confusion, this

[21:00] court grants the state's motion and

[21:03] offers the following clarification.

[21:06] The word witness, as used in this order,

[21:09] applies to all witnesses who are part of

[21:11] the prosecution and defense teams. This

[21:15] includes any witness, including lay

[21:17] witnesses, whom the prosecution or

[21:20] defense has a good faith belief will be

[21:23] called to testify at a hearing or trial.

[21:27] The court also clarifies that the

[21:29] publicity order as written regulates the

[21:33] behavior of attorneys who are associated

[21:35] with the defense team or the Utah County

[21:38] Attorney's Office. It requires the

[21:40] attorneys to abide by rule 3.6. Six. And

[21:44] in order to deter non- attorneys from

[21:47] making prejuditial statements, requires

[21:50] the attorneys to inform witnesses about

[21:53] the prohibitions in the publicity order.

[21:56] Informing witnesses about the

[21:57] prohibitions in the publicity order is a

[22:00] necessary step. Informing witnesses

[22:03] about the prohibitions in the publicity

[22:05] order is a necessary step toward not

[22:08] intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly

[22:10] permitting witnesses from making

[22:12] prejuditial statements. The publicity

[22:14] order does not regulate the behavior of

[22:17] any person who is not an attorney

[22:20] associated with this case. And this

[22:23] order will be signed today by myself and

[22:25] made public.

[22:26] >> And there was another issue regarding

[22:28] Charlie Kirk's widow, Erica Kirk. She

[22:31] will apparently be exempt from the gag

[22:33] order.

[22:34] >> Your honor, on behalf of Mr. Robinson,

[22:37] we certainly think it's appropriate for

[22:40] um Mrs. Kirk to be designated as the

[22:44] victim representative if that is the

[22:46] desire of the state. Um just so there

[22:49] can be no doubt that she's afforded all

[22:51] of the rights um assured to her under

[22:54] our our state statutes. And we have no

[22:57] objection to that.

[22:59] >> Thank you. Thank you to all parties.

[23:02] This court will uh [clears throat]

[23:04] recognize Miss Erica Kirk as the

[23:07] designated victim representative in this

[23:10] case.

[23:10] >> The assistant county attorney said that

[23:12] they're working to get discovery to

[23:14] Tyler Robinson's attorneys, but they say

[23:17] that so far they've received nearly

[23:19] 14,000 files from law enforcement and

[23:22] more may be coming. Robinson's lawyer

[23:25] said she wants to see the evidence

[23:27] justifying the prosecution. seeking the

[23:30] death penalty in this case.

[23:31] >> I mean, the county attorney has made a

[23:34] decision, very public decision, to

[23:37] announce their intent to seek death the

[23:40] day that there was an arrest, which

[23:42] means that that obligation to provide us

[23:44] with the probable cause for everything

[23:46] they relied upon to charge applies now

[23:49] to their intent to seek death. And we're

[23:51] nowhere near getting that material. So,

[23:55] that was their decision to release that.

[23:57] Normally that decision is not made until

[23:59] 30 days after a preliminary hearing.

[24:01] They made it in advance and now they've

[24:03] got an obligation to tell me their

[24:05] aggravation and what they've relied on

[24:07] to make this a death penalty case and we

[24:09] have not received that. So I'm waiting.

[24:12] Um but I'm just laying that out there

[24:14] for now.

[24:14] >> So Judge Graph, he's going to issue his

[24:16] decision on whether to release the

[24:18] transcript from those October hearings

[24:20] with redactions or not at the end of

[24:22] this month. And for now, the preliminary

[24:24] hearing is scheduled for 3 days in May

[24:27] of 2026. Tyler Robinson remains in jail

[24:31] held without bail as prosecutors seek

[24:33] the death penalty against him. He has

[24:35] pleaded not guilty to all charges. And

[24:38] that's it for this episode of Crime Fix.

[24:40] I'm Antinet Levy. Thanks so much for

[24:42] being with me. I'll see you back here

[24:43] next time.