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Michael Franzese examines Candace Owens' investigation into Charlie Kirk's assassination, questioning her motivations and the conspiracy theories she promotes. Drawing from his own experience with investigations and street knowledge, Franzese analyzes the relationship between Owens and the Kirk family, her history with Turning Point USA, and the financial incentives behind her ongoing coverage. He defends Erika Kirk's decision to finally speak out against the accusations and challenges Owens to back up her claims with concrete evidence rather than speculation.
Examining the Friendship Claims
Michael Franzese opens by acknowledging the unavoidable controversy surrounding Candace Owens and Erika Kirk in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk's assassination. Having just returned from Lake Tahoe, Franzese addresses what he sees as important questions about Owens' motivations that deserve unbiased examination. He emphasizes that while Owens questions everything and everyone as part of her platform, people become defensive when her own motivations are questioned.
Franzese met Owens once at Patrick Bet-David's inauguration night event, where they courteously took pictures with his family, but he has no personal relationship with her beyond that brief encounter. This positions him to offer what he considers an unbiased analysis based purely on observable facts.
The central question Franzese raises concerns the nature of the friendship between Owens and Charlie Kirk. While Owens claims they were best friends, Franzese points to a critical gap in this narrative: the apparent absence of any relationship between Owens and Erika Kirk. Drawing from his own 40-year marriage, Franzese argues that when someone has a close friendship with a person of the opposite sex, it's natural and expected for spouses to become involved in that friendship as well.
Franzese uses his own life as an example, explaining how his closest friend Tony and Tony's fiancée Carol regularly spend time with him and his wife. The couples go out together, their spouses have become good friends, and this mutual relationship strengthens rather than threatens the marriages. He asks viewers who are married to consider whether they would be comfortable with their spouse having an intense, exclusive friendship with someone of the opposite sex that never included the other spouse.
The Turning Point USA History
Looking back to 2017, Franzese traces Owens' history with Turning Point USA. She worked with the organization for two years before leaving in 2019 under controversial circumstances. Her departure followed remarks she made about Adolf Hitler, where she suggested Hitler would have been acceptable if he had limited his actions to Germany rather than attempting to conquer the world. These comments generated significant backlash within TPUSA and beyond.
Whether Owens was fired, quit, or reached a mutual agreement to leave remains unclear, but what is evident is that she has maintained antagonism toward TPUSA for the six years since her departure. Franzese argues this documented history of bad blood gives legitimate grounds to question her current accusations against the organization.
During those six years between leaving TPUSA and Charlie Kirk's death, Franzese notes the absence of evidence showing a close, active friendship between Owens and Kirk. They didn't spend holidays together, their spouses didn't socialize, and there's no documentation of the kind of regular interaction that characterizes best friendships. If such a deep friendship existed, Franzese asks, where is the proof?
Financial Motivations and Platform Growth
As a YouTuber himself, Franzese understands the economics of online content creation. He points out that Owens is making substantial money from her coverage of Kirk's assassination, with her podcast generating over 40 million views on her most popular episodes. Franzese estimates this translates to millions of dollars in revenue from advertisements and sponsorships.
While he acknowledges that making money from content isn't inherently wrong, Franzese argues that when significant financial gain is involved, questioning someone's motivations becomes not only fair but necessary. He draws a parallel to his own ministry work, noting that people regularly question whether his religious outreach is financially motivated, and he accepts that as their right even though he's been doing ministry work for 35 years.
Owens herself boasted about being the number one podcaster of the week, according to Franzese, indicating that platform success and recognition matter to her. He sees this as evidence that her investigation serves multiple purposes beyond simply seeking justice for a friend.
The Scope of the Conspiracy Theory
Franzese expresses incredulity at the breadth of Owens' conspiracy theory. According to her various statements, those potentially involved in or complicit with Kirk's assassination include people wearing maroon shirts at the event, Israel and Mossad agents, the United States government, the French government, Egyptian planes, Jewish donors, the Utah state authorities investigating the case, Erika Kirk herself, and numerous members of TPUSA including Kirk's pastor, chief of staff, chief operating officer, spokesman, and camera operator.
Drawing on his own experience being indicted seven times, going to trial five times, and serving prison time while visiting his father for 25 years, Franzese claims street knowledge of how investigations and conspiracies actually work. In his assessment, if all these entities were truly involved, this would constitute the biggest conspiracy in world history, potentially surpassing the JFK assassination or the Epstein case in its scope and complexity.
Franzese questions whether Charlie Kirk, while certainly an important conservative figure, was really so threatening to so many powerful interests that they would coordinate his public assassination. He acknowledges Kirk's significance and the speculation that he could have run for president someday, but finds the scale of the alleged conspiracy implausible.
Regarding the possibility of financial impropriety at TPUSA that Kirk might have been investigating, Franzese notes that such issues are common and typically result in embezzlement or fraud charges, not assassination. He points to Black Lives Matter's collection of $98 million with questionable accounting as an example of financial controversy that didn't result in murder, questioning why Owens hasn't focused her investigative energy on that case.
Questioning the Investigation Approach
Franzese makes clear that he's not claiming the official investigation into Kirk's death is beyond question. He acknowledges that some photographs and videos from that day raise legitimate questions. However, he draws a distinction between questioning an investigation and directly accusing specific individuals of murder or complicity without concrete evidence.
Owens repeatedly promises to provide "receipts" or hard evidence for her claims, but Franzese argues she has yet to deliver anything beyond speculation and suspicious-looking video clips. Her "proof" consists largely of analyzing people's facial expressions and body language in the moments after Kirk was shot, claiming they "look guilty."
One piece of evidence Owens cited was particularly striking to Franzese: she claimed to have had a vivid dream in which Charlie Kirk told her he had been betrayed. Franzese emphasizes that Owens herself stated this came from a dream, not from any actual conversation or evidence. He questions how a dream can serve as the foundation for accusing numerous people and organizations of involvement in murder.
Franzese also challenges Owens' demand that TPUSA turn over footage from the day of the assassination. He questions who she thinks she is to make such demands of an organization she left on bad terms six years ago and has criticized ever since. The footage is in the hands of law enforcement, and while those agencies might mishandle or cover up evidence, Franzese doubts Owens possesses investigative capabilities superior to the CIA, FBI, or Mossad.
Erika Kirk's Response
After remaining silent for an extended period, Erika Kirk finally responded to Owens' accusations in an appearance on Fox News with Harris Faulkner. Franzese commends this decision, though he notes that both Erika and TPUSA initially underestimated what Owens was capable of generating with her platform.
In her Fox News interview, Erika expressed her breaking point, stating that while people could attack her personally and she didn't care, she drew the line at attacks on the people Charlie loved. She pointed out that Owens makes hundreds of thousands of dollars per episode while accusing TPUSA staff members of involvement in murder. These are people who were traumatized by witnessing Kirk's death and unsuccessfully attempting to save his life.
Erika never mentioned Owens by name during the interview, but she forcefully rejected the conspiracy theories. She argued that accepting Owens' narrative requires believing that Charlie Kirk was an idiot who had no awareness that virtually everyone around him was betraying him, and that only Candace Owens truly cared about him. Franzese emphasizes this point, noting that Owens' theory essentially portrays Kirk as foolish and blind to the supposed betrayals happening all around him, despite his obvious intelligence and political acumen.
According to Franzese, TPUSA insiders describe Owens as suffering from "first wife syndrome," consumed by jealousy that Erika has been appointed CEO of TPUSA following Charlie's expressed wishes. Charlie Kirk stated on video that he wanted his wife to lead the organization after his death, yet Owens publicly stated that Erika should never have become CEO. Franzese asks why Owens would contradict her supposed best friend's explicit final wishes if she truly cared about honoring his memory.
The Pattern of Broken Promises
Franzese highlights several instances where Owens made statements that she then contradicted. She claimed she would stop her investigation if Erika Kirk or her own husband asked her to stop. When Erika did ask her to stop, Owens immediately went back on her platform and said she wasn't buying into that request and would continue.
Similarly, Owens repeatedly stated she would confront TPUSA "anytime, any place" to discuss her theories face-to-face. When TPUSA spent weeks negotiating with her and finally invited her to appear on the Charlie Kirk Show, she made excuses for why she couldn't come to Phoenix. Her reasons included that her husband had important people coming to visit and, more dramatically, that a local cartel wanted to assassinate her.
Franzese finds these excuses suspicious, especially given that Owens was photographed at Dollywood during this period. If she truly faced assassination threats from cartels, Israeli hit squads, or other entities she's accused of involvement in Kirk's death, why would she be making public appearances at theme parks? And why would her husband allow her to continue putting herself and their four children in danger?
Regarding Owens' husband George, Franzese offers harsh criticism. He states that no self-respecting husband would allow his wife to remain in a position of such danger if the threats were real. While he won't speculate about rumors concerning their marriage out of respect for their children, he calls George a "wimp" for not protecting his wife from the situation she's placed herself in.
Anti-Semitism and Anti-Christian Statements
Franzese addresses Owens' history of statements about Jewish people and Christians. He states plainly that Owens is an anti-Semite who doesn't like Jews, and that many of her most devoted followers share these views. Franzese knows this because when he defends Israel or questions Owens, he receives comments accusing him of being a "Jew lover" or being on the "Israeli payroll."
More recently, since converting to Catholicism, Owens has made statements critical of Protestant Christianity. She told Charlie Kirk, an evangelical Christian, that he was "too intelligent" to be a Protestant. She's claimed that because Protestant Christianity has so many denominations (which she called "divisions"), evil can infiltrate it more easily. Meanwhile, she presents Catholicism as somehow beyond reproach.
Franzese, himself a Christian and member of Harvest Church, takes particular offense at Owens' claims that Harvest Crusade and Calvary Chapel are military operations. He's known Greg Laurie and his family for 30 years and calls these accusations total nonsense. Owens apparently bases this claim on the fact that many military veterans have found faith and joined these churches, which she interprets as evidence of some sinister connection.
Franzese points out the contradiction in Owens presenting Catholicism as pure while ignoring the extensive documented corruption in Catholic Church history, including dishonest popes, bribery scandals, and the widespread sexual abuse of children by priests. He's not condemning all Catholics, but rather noting that every faith tradition has corruption because humans are sinful regardless of their religious affiliation.
His perspective: "Don't judge a perfect God by his imperfect people." This was advice he gave to Andrew Tate, who claimed Western Christians aren't sincere. While acknowledging that many Christians fall short, Franzese argues against demonizing entire faith traditions based on the failings of some adherents.
Why Charlie Kept His Distance
Franzese offers his theory for why Charlie Kirk maintained only superficial contact with Owens after she left TPUSA, exchanging what sources describe as "light, friendly text messages." He believes Kirk understood exactly what Owens was capable of and strategically chose to keep the relationship cordial to prevent her from attacking him and his organization.
Franzese uses his own experience as an example. Throughout his public life, people from his former life in organized crime have attacked him repeatedly, making accusations and criticisms. With one exception when someone attacked his father, Franzese has never responded. He explains that responding only fuels ongoing controversy, giving critics exactly what they want: continued attention and engagement.
In Franzese's view, Kirk was smart enough to recognize that Owens thrives on controversy and that completely cutting her off would have made him and TPUSA targets of her platform years earlier. By maintaining minimal, friendly contact, Kirk kept the peace. The fact that Owens wasn't invited to Kirk's wedding further demonstrates that this wasn't a genuine close friendship, but rather a strategic relationship management on Kirk's part.
The Exploitation of Trauma
Reading from a New York Post article, Franzese details the various forms of exploitation and cruelty that followed Kirk's assassination. Leftist critics celebrated his death, creating t-shirts with images of blood gushing from his throat to commemorate the moment his voice was silenced. They made TikTok videos dancing on his grave that received millions of views. GoFundMe campaigns raised money to help the alleged killer, 22-year-old Tyler Robinson, who faces 10 felony counts including aggravated murder.
Every member of the TPUSA team was traumatized by what they witnessed that day and their unsuccessful efforts to save Kirk's life. The murder was livestreamed with hundreds of cell phones capturing graphic footage. Yet Owens endlessly replays these videos, theorizing about exit wounds and analyzing the footage frame by frame.
Franzese questions whether this truly honors Kirk's legacy, his family, or his children who will eventually see all of this content on social media. If Owens genuinely cared about Kirk's family as a true friend would, Franzese argues she would never exploit the trauma in this manner, regardless of the money or attention it generates.
He emphatically states he would never do something like this if one of his friends were murdered, especially considering the impact on their widow and children. It's not about seeking justice, in his view, but about monetizing tragedy and building a platform on someone else's death.
Street Knowledge and Conspiracy Reality
Franzese emphasizes his credentials for understanding investigations and conspiracies. He spent over 20 years on the street, has been indicted seven times, went to trial five times, served prison time, and visited his father in prison for 25 years. This experience gives him what he calls "street sense" or "street smarts" about how these situations actually work.
From this perspective, the conspiracy Owens describes doesn't make sense. If all these people and organizations wanted Kirk dead, there were countless less public ways to accomplish it. His closest friends and colleagues were around him constantly. Why stage a public assassination at a crowded event on a college campus, captured by hundreds of cameras, when private opportunities would have been far less risky?
The financial motive also doesn't hold up under scrutiny. People go to jail for embezzlement and fraud regularly. If Kirk discovered financial impropriety at TPUSA, the normal response would be prosecution, not assassination. Murder draws far more attention and investigation than allowing a financial scandal to be handled through normal legal channels.
While Franzese acknowledges he doesn't trust the government and remains open to the possibility of a cover-up or botched investigation, he cannot accept the sprawling conspiracy theory Owens promotes. He's open to facts and evidence, but Owens provides innuendo and speculation rather than concrete proof.
The Coming Confrontation
TPUSA announced they would address Owens' accusations on the Charlie Kirk Show, with or without her participation. After weeks of negotiation attempting to get her to appear, she backed out with various excuses. Franzese sees this as revealing: if Owens truly has "the goods" and genuine evidence of murder and betrayal, why wouldn't she jump at the chance to confront the accused face-to-face?
Franzese states that if he were in her position, accusing people of murder and claiming to have proof, he would be demanding to get in the room with them to present his evidence. Instead, Owens will likely wait for TPUSA to make their statements, then respond on her own livestream where she controls the narrative and doesn't have to face direct questioning.
This approach serves her purposes perfectly. It generates more controversy, brings more money into her operation, and allows her to maintain her narrative without subjecting it to real-time challenge. Her supporters will continue supporting her regardless of what TPUSA says, and the cycle will continue benefiting her platform.
Franzese issues a direct challenge to Owens: he would sit down with her anytime, any place, and he means it. Unlike her broken promises to TPUSA, he would actually show up and back up everything he's said. He invites her to make that happen, confident she won't accept because face-to-face confrontation doesn't serve her interests the way controlled, one-sided content creation does.
Final Assessment
Franzese concludes by summarizing the evidence that calls Owens' motivations into question. She was not Charlie Kirk's best friend in any meaningful sense over the past six years. She had no relationship with Erika Kirk. She and her husband never socialized with the Kirks as couples. She wasn't invited to Charlie's wedding. She has harbored resentment toward TPUSA for six years since leaving the organization. She has a history of anti-Semitic statements and, more recently, anti-Christian statements since converting to Catholicism.
She is making millions of dollars from her coverage of Kirk's assassination. She has broken multiple promises, including her pledge to stop if asked by Erika Kirk and her claim she would confront TPUSA anywhere, anytime. She contradicts herself, at one point suggesting Kirk was blind to the betrayals around him while also claiming he told her about betrayals in a dream. She accuses so many people and entities of involvement that it would constitute the largest conspiracy in world history if true.
Most significantly, Owens publicly contradicted Charlie Kirk's explicit final wishes that his wife lead TPUSA, stating Erika should never have become CEO. If Kirk was truly her best friend, why would she disrespect his clearly stated desires?
Franzese acknowledges that some people are now speculating that perhaps Owens herself had involvement in the murder, though he explicitly states he doesn't believe that and won't promote such theories. He sees them as the same kind of baseless speculation Owens herself traffics in.
While remaining open to the possibility that the investigation has problems and that more information may emerge, Franzese firmly believes Owens is not operating from a place of genuine concern for justice or honoring her friend's memory. Instead, he sees financial motivation, platform building, personal resentment toward TPUSA, and the exploitation of tragedy for attention and controversy.
He closes by inviting viewers to comment with their thoughts, especially married people who can weigh in on whether the friendship dynamic he describes makes sense. He anticipates pushback, particularly from Owens' supporters, but stands by his analysis as an unbiased examination of observable facts rather than speculation or conspiracy theories.
Video Transcript
You know what she's saying? She's calling Charlie a freaking idiot. That he had no clue who was around him. That he was a That people all around him were betraying him every single day. They didn't love him. They didn't care about him. And the only person that did was Candace Owens. She's making Charlie out to be an idiot. This would be the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world if all of this were true. Her and Nancy Pelosi, I put them in the same spot. They could have been mobsters. I would never do something like this. Not for money or anything else. She said it. I'm the number one podcaster of the week. She boasted about it. It meant something to her. Her own words fact checked me. Candace, you invite me. I'll be there anytime, any place. How's that? And watch me back it up. Not like you, Candace. Hey everyone, welcome to another sitdown with Michael Frances. Hope everybody is doing well. All is very good, very blessed on this end, my friends. And as always, I give all the praise, honor, glory, and thanksgiving to our God for that. You know, there's certain topics you just can't avoid. Uh, you know, when you have a platform on YouTube or on social media like I have, and uh there's been some hot things in the air in the past couple of days. I've been in Lake Tahoe, just got back last night. Uh, but obviously we're talking about Candace Owens and we're talking about Erica Kirk. They're talking about the Netflix uh Diddy uh documentary that's been uh you know very uh I would say wellreceived. I think over 20 million people have watched it already. So, a lot of stuff going on. There's stuff going on with Trump as always. He's always in the news. Uh but today I I think I really need to address this uh Candace Owens uh Erica Kirk matter. I think it's something important. And let me let me preface it this way. You know, um, there's a lot of people that get upset when we question question Candace Owens, but today what I'm going to do, I want you to just step back for a minute and let's look at some things and have a real unbiased view of this if possible. Now, I know that some of her supporters out there, you can't do that. You're just with her. That's it. I understand why, and I'm going to get into that. I do understand why. But let's just look at this thing and say, "Well, why can't we question her motivation on some things?" And there's reasons for that. And people that get upset, let me remind you, Candace Owens questions everybody and everything. That's her thing. She thrives on controversy. We understand that. We know it. She has every right to do it. She's an internet uh uh influencer. She has every right to do that. But she questions everything and everybody all the time. So, you know, the problem occurs when people question her and when they question her motivation. Now, let me put this out there right away. I have nothing personally against her. I don't know her. Now, I met her once at Patrick Bed David's event uh on inauguration night. Uh we were there very courteously. We took pictures. We, you know, my family was there. We met her, shook hands, the whole bit. Other than that, I don't know her personally. I do know some people that know her, but I don't know her personally. So, I'm coming from a very unbiased place. I'm just looking at the facts and then we're drawing some conclusions from those facts. So, you can get upset with me, whatever. I I understand that. And I know I'm going to get some blowback from what I have to say today. But if possible, let's try to take a very unbiased look at one thing, and that is Candace Owen's motivation for doing this. Motivation. Now, whenever I say something about this and I question her motivation, it's like, well, that was her best friend. And why wouldn't she be doing this? Why wouldn't she want to uncover Charlie Kirk's murderer? I agree with that. If in fact, she was his best friend and they were that close. I get it. I really do. But let's go back and look at this thing and let's see really how close of a friendship they really had in the last several years. Let's look at that. Go back to 2017, uh, when she was with Turning Point USA with Charlie Kirk. That lasted two years. In 2019, under certain circumstances, she left. I'm not saying she was fired. I'm not saying she quit. She left. Mutual agreement, whatever. Now, why did she leave? Well, she left because she made some remarks about Hitler. And basically what she said was Hitler would have been okay and done the right thing if he would have stayed only with Germany and didn't try to conquer the world. Now that pissed a lot of people off in TPUSA. That's kind of racist. Now even you liberals have to agree with that. Why? Well, I know you don't like Hitler because you compare Trump to Hitler all the time and we know you hate Trump. So if you're comparing Trump to Hitler, Hitler's got to be bad. No question about that. Okay. So, she made some remarks about Hitler that just didn't sit right with a lot of people and it started to grow from there. She leaves uh TPUSA. She wasn't happy with TPUSA at that point and she hasn't been happy with TPUSA ever since. Okay. So, now she is making accusations that Charlie has been betrayed by TPUSA. Okay. She can make that accusation and let's see how it's backed up. We're going to get into that. But here we go. She claims that Charlie was her best friend. Great friends and she's doing this because of the friendship. Well, let's look at that. You know, when I have a friend, I'm married 40 years. When I have a friend, if it was a female friend, um, which I don't really have any, but if it was a female friend that my wife was unaware of or that my wife didn't know that well, the first thing I would do is bring her to to the house. She has a husband. Let's all get together. Now, you you people out there that are married, tell me if I'm wrong or not. When you have a friend of an opposite sex, it's all nobody's saying that that's wrong. But if they were such great friends, wouldn't they be going out to dinner together, husband and wife, and get together and have dinner? I have my friends, my greatest friend, my dearest friend Tony, my partner in slices. He and his uh fiance and my wife, we go out all the time. His fiance Carol, wonderful woman, and my wife, really good friends. They become really good friends because of our friendship. Isn't that normal? Isn't that the way it's done? Well, that hasn't happened with uh Candace Owens. Her and her husband don't associate with [music] Charlie or didn't associate with Charlie and Erica. They weren't best friends. They didn't go out. They didn't spend holidays together. They didn't do all of that. So, it's been five or 6 years now since uh she left TPUSA. And where is this great friendship with Charlie? Where is it? Where is the proof of it since then? where we know she had antagonism with TPUSA because she was relieved of her duty. She left AMC, whatever it was, but there was some bitter feelings there. We also know that she's kind of anti-Semite. Let's be honest, she doesn't like the Jews. Point blank, she's an anti-Semite. She also doesn't like certain Christians. We're going to get into that in a moment. Um, so let's look at that. Now, what's the motivation now? Can you question the motivation that since she has had it in for TPUSA for several years that now she's accusing people in TPUSA for being part of the murder, the assassination of Charlie Kirk? And yes, she's doing that. Don't cover it up. Yes, she's doing that. So, she said she's doing it because her and Charlie were the best friends and she wants to uncover the murder. Well, if she was best friends with Charlie, she would also be friendship. There has to be a friendship with Erica. Unless there was some riff there. Now, Erica has never said anything about Candace Owens. But Candace Owens has been saying a lot about Erica. She doesn't like her. I mean, come on. You know, those that support her, you at least got to be honest. She doesn't like Erica Kirk. And here's my thing with all of this. If she really had this deep friendship, friendship goes both ways. It's not one way. It goes both ways. If her and Charlie were really that close in these past five or six years, wouldn't she have gone to Erica first and said, "Listen, you know, he's my friend. He's your husband. How do we do this together? There's something that's not right here. The world doesn't need another wine. It really needs a reason to raise a glass again. A reason that's real. A reason that means something. Because most people, they drink to forget. We drink to remember where we came from, what we stand for, and who we still [music] fight to become. We don't follow trends, [music] we break them. Our bottles don't look like anyone else's because [music] our story, it isn't like anyone else's. It's about freedom, about redemption, about family. That's what's inside every bottle. So to [music] the ones who think different, who live different, who drink different something is not right. We've been hearing things about maybe betrayal from T TPUSA. Let's search for the truth together. Well, that didn't happen. I'm sorry that didn't happen. and she doesn't like Erica. She in a way inferred that Erica has something to do with Charlie's assassination. She has inferred that. Don't back off of that, please. She absolutely has, among many other people, but she has with Erica, too. She's outwardly stated that Erica should have never taken over, you know, the responsibility of being CEO at Turning Point. She's made that statement, and you can fact check everything that I'm saying. Please do, cuz I don't speak out of turn. You can fact check it. So now you have a right to question the friendship, the mutual friendship between Charlie and Candace because Charlie never brought her home to Erica. They didn't associate together. This is a married couple. Very much in love with two children. Charlie talked about his relationship with his wife all the time. You can't deny that. He loved the woman. This was her his wife. There was no relationship between Candace Owens and Erica's and and Charlie Kirk's wife Erica. There was none that suspect as a married man. I can tell you that suspect and all you married men or married women out there tell me the same. You married women. If your husband had such a deep friendship with another woman, whoever it might be, wouldn't you be a little bit involved in that at all? Just answer that question. Would it be just a totally one-sided friendship? You'd be okay with that. Just answer me. So there's a reason for questioning her motivation in that regard also. Now let me give you another one. The woman is making money, a lot of money on Charlie Kirk's assassination. I'm a YouTuber. I know what the money is all about. So whenever there's money involved in anything, you have a right to question it. Especially when the facts are not there. facts, not innuendos, not, hey, all of this stuff that we look on video. And let me tell you something. I am not saying, hey, everything on this investigation is on the level. I don't know that. I don't There's some things that you can question without a doubt when you look at some of the photos or the video of things that happened at that day. Okay, you have a right to question that. You really do. But bring some facts. Now, the fact that she's doing this on a daily basis, she's making buck. I can tell you that. I have a right to question her on that and so does everybody else. I get questioned all the time about my ministry. Oh, you're only in ministry because you're making money. I get questioned all the time. People have a right to say that. Say it. I know the truth, but say it. It's okay. You have a right to say it because if that was my motivation, then maybe you'd uncover it. I don't know. Okay. Obviously, it's not. I've been doing this for 35 years. But whatever. So, you have a right to question people. Now, people attack me. Her supporters attacked me saying, "Come on, you got to be, you know, you're on the government payroll." People, let me tell you something. Let Let me grab something here, please. Nobody questions the government more than me. I wrote a book, Mafia Democracy. For my entire life, I've been questioning the government entire life in questioning investigations and everything else. So, please don't tell me I'm on a government payroll. It's just ridiculous. Other people have said, "You're getting paid by the Israel by Israel because you disagree with Candace Owens." That's ridicul. stupid. You know, if you're going to make comments and you're going to rebuttal me, let's bring sense to the table. Common sense. So, I am establishing now that we have a right to question Candace Owen's motivation in all of this because number one, you can question the friendship with Charlie Kirk since he never brought her in a relationship with Erica. They never went out to dinner together. Husband and wife got together. They didn't get together on holiday. They didn't do that. And that's going on six years. So, it doesn't seem to be that this was such a mutual friendship. Candace Owens does have reason and does have it in for TPUSA. She's had it for six years, ever been she's ever since she left the organization. That's unbiased. That's just facts. Just facts. So now Charlie gets killed and she's blaming everybody at TPUSA. And let me tell you another thing, too. I have some street sense. I've been indicted seven times. I went to trial five times. I've been in prison. You name it, I've done it. And visit v visited my father for 25 years. I know all about the government's investigation, everything else. And conspiracy theories. If this conspiracy theory that she has theory, because she doesn't have the facts, involves so many people, it would be the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world. She's involving people that wore maroon shirts. She's involving Israel. She even inferred that the that the United States government is involved in this. Erica Kirk, everybody, this is the biggest conspiracy in the history of conspiracies. Bigger than John F. Kennedy, bigger than the Epstein conspiracy almost because of all the people she has involved or maybe at least equal to that. I mean, come on. Charlie Kirk was an important figure, but that important. Was he really that important that all these people were involved? Israel, the United States, his wife, all of these people at TPUSA, Christians, everybody. She's accusing everybody. The biggest conspiracy in the history of the world, bigger than everything else. Was Charlie Kirk that meaningful? And let's say there was some financial problems going on in that foundation. Okay, what's new? What's new with that? There's always some kind of, you know, problem that we had. BLM, they collected $98 million. Where is that money? People have been accused of taking money there and they have. How come she hasn't blown that up? I mean, really blown it up. Okay. So, if there was some financial issues, and I'm not saying there weren't, that means you that means seven, eight, nine, 10 different organizations get together to kill Charlie Kirk because he was investigating his own company. That happens all the time. People go to jail for embezzlement and fraud all the time. You murder somebody because of it. And why would you murder him like that publicly? There's other ways to do it. His best friends were around him all the time. Why do it that way? Why cause all of this? It doesn't make sense. As a street sense, street smart guy. It doesn't make sense. I'm sorry. Having said that, let's the investigation unfold. Might the government be covering it up? I don't know. I don't trust the government. Not at all. Not at all. So, who knows what's going on. But don't tell me that Candace Owens has no motivation to do what she's doing. She's making a lot of money on this. Erica Kirk said it yesterday. I'm going to read something about that. She's making a ton of money. She's grabbing a ton of followers. And who are her followers? Anti-semites. Yeah, I know that because I get the comments back when I talk about it. You're a Jew lover. You're the I get it all the time. A lot of anti-semites following her. Of course, you know who's following her. These people are upset. Now, I want to tell you another thing. I honestly question whether she's coming from a good place or not. And I just gave you the reasons why. When you really want to investigate something about a friend, you're coming from a good place. Not from a place of making money. Not from a place of accusing everybody and anybody. Not from a place of smearing everybody. That's not where you come from. I'm sorry. You just don't. Now, I'm going to read an article. Now, you could agree or disagree with me, and please give me your comments, but let's be intelligent. Don't accuse me of being on the Israeli payroll. That's so st I just block you when you do. That's stupid. What Israeli payroll? What do I have to do with Israelis? Nothing. Zero. It's ridiculous. And if you disagree with what I'm saying, tell me what you disagree with. If there is proof or evidence that Charlie Kirk was just as friendly with Candace Owens in the last 6 years that Candace Owens is claiming, show me some proof. Why didn't he bring her home? Why weren't Erica and her friendship friendly? Also doesn't make sense for a married couple like doesn't make sense. Married couples chime in on that. If you have a a female friend and you're a guy, do you just keep it on the side and not bring it home to your wife? And same with the women. You have a male friend, do you keep it on the side, not bring it home to your husband? That's suspect. And if you do, something's wrong there. I'm sorry. Something is wrong there. Married couples, chime in. Let me hear what you have to say about that. Does she have reason to be against or upset with TPUSA? She darn well does. Proved it. She didn't like them for the last six years since she walked away relieved, fired, whatever you want to say. Did it on her own terms. Doesn't matter. And by the way, the woman loves controversy. Come on. She had it with Ben Shapiro. She had it with Prageru. This is what she does. She creates controversy and she creates dollars and followers in in the meantime. You can't deny that. You cannot deny it. So, I am questioning her motivations for the reasons I just gave you. Questioning her motivation. I'm not questioning whether there could be more to the Charlie Kirk murder. Not saying that the investigation is not completed. [music] We may find out more. Not questioning that. I'm not questioning her right or ability to question people, but I'm questioning her motivation based upon the facts that I've just given you. And they are facts. They're not innuendo. They're not maybe. They're facts. Okay. So, now I want to read an article and I'm going to comment on the article. It was in today's New York Post. Oh, New York Post is a right-wing paper. No, it's not. It's a New York Post and it's a paper in reports things. Okay? And what it has to say just makes sense. That's all. And I'm going to read it. We're going to talk about it. Now, you know that Erica Kirk yesterday appeared on Fox News and sat down with, you know, a woman that I that I respect very much on Fox and they had a very open conversation and for the first time she's starting to fight back. Now, I want to tell you this. A lot of people have said, you know, well, Charlie still maintained a relationship with with her and I understand why. Charlie knew her. Charlie knew what she was capable of. Charlie knew she has a platform. Maybe he didn't want the controversy. Now, how do I know that that could be a fact? Because I do the same thing. I had people knocking me left and right from my former life. People that didn't even know me. Didn't know me and still didn't know me until later on. People knocking me all the time. Say this and that and this and that. All guys from my former life. I never responded. Not one time. Excuse me. I responded to one person one time because that person knocked my father and it got me upset. Other than that, when they said anything about me, I didn't knock I didn't respond at all. Because when you respond, you just keep it going. You just keep it going like we're doing now. She know the best thing that happened to Candace Owens so far. It may blow up on her face. So far was the fact that Erica finally came out. The fact that TPUSA is going to respond to her on Monday. Finally came out. She's thrilled because now she can keep this going. She's not confronting these people headon. She's just getting on her platform and feeding her supporters and followers. She was she loved the fact that Erica came out yesterday and disagreed with her. And let me tell you something another thing, [music] okay? She's not being honest. She said straight out, fact check me. Fact check me that I would stop doing what I'm doing about Charlie Kirk if Erica told me to stop or my husband told me to stop. That's what she said. Quote, her words, "Well, Erica told her to stop yesterday." And what did she do? She went right back on her platform and said, "No, I'm not buying into that. No, I'm not buying into that." She disagreed with Erica and she just continues it. She She outnot lied. I'm sorry. You call it what it is. It was an out-out lie. She also lied about confronting TPUSA because she said originally, "I would confront them anytime, any place." Quote, her words, "Anytime, any place." And now they uh have confronted her and she backed out. She made an excuse. She said, "My husband has important people coming in, you know, and and I can't go there on Monday." She made another excuse. And of course, her supporters chime in and follow her and they're blaming TPUSA because they don't like TPUSA because they believe it's anti-semite. Let me tell you something. The people that support Candace Owens, do you believe they really care about Charlie Kirk? Really? Is that again, let's talk motivation. The people that are supporting Candace Owens don't even know Charlie Kirk. Because the people that cared about Charlie Kirk, they don't like this controversy. They think they're desecrating his his his memory. So, please, it's not coming from a good place. The evidence is there. The people that are supporting Candace, who knows why, and I'm not saying you can't support her all you want, but please don't tell me you're supporting her because you love Charlie Kirk or you cared so much about Charlie Kirk. Please don't don't tell me that because you're being disingenuous. It's not true. All right. So, she lied. She straight out lied and she used it just, you know, to keep this thing going. Keep it going. Oh, if Erica told me to stop, I would respect and I would stop. Well, the reason because they weren't friends. Charlie didn't bring Candace Owens home to meet Erica. Charlie er Candace and her husband were not friends with with Charlie and Erica. It's nonsense. And I'm sure that Charlie maintained a relationship, a cordial relationship because he knows what Candace Owens was capable of. And she's showing it right now. And he didn't want that for TPUSA or himself or his family. I understand that because I do the same thing. I'm not going to fuel all this stuff out there. And Erica, too, when she said, "You know what? Enough." Initially, I'm not going to respond to her. She's not my friend. She wasn't my husband's friend. There wasn't this close relationship. I'm going to let it go away. But she didn't. She underestimated Candace. And let me tell you something. Let me give Candace credit. Very bright woman. No question about it. You know, very manipul. She could have been a great mom mom. She could have been the only one that was indoctrinated. Her and Nancy Pelosi. I put them in the same spot. They could have been mobsters. No question about it. No question about it. Erica and TPUSA underestimated Candace and her motivation for doing what she's doing. So, there's a lot of reasons why we can question Candace Owen's motivation. You disagree? Give me facts. Let me read the article. Erica tormented by vile trolls since Charlie's assassination. Burst was leftist ghouls cheering on his cold-blooded murder in front of a crowd of 3,000 people at the first stop of this Turning Point USA American comeback tour outdoors on the campus of Utah Valley University on September 10th. They were tormenting him. The ghouls glorified in the death of the young father of two mimicked the in instant the bullet hit his throat, created t-shirts with his image and gushes of blood to celebrate the moment his voice was silenced. Now, how do you think Erica felt about that? If you were a friend, wouldn't you go and try to console the woman? I mean, really, if you were such a friend to her husband, wouldn't you try to console the woman? I even think there could have been some jealousy there. No question. Jealousy. Remember, she's asked to leave or whatever circumstance, she had to leave TPUSA. Charlie had to have her leave TPUSA under whatever arrangement they had. He's happily married to Erica. If this is your best friend, if you love this guy, wouldn't you try to control console his widow and his little kids? They have to see this at one point in time. This is social media. His kids at one point in time going to see how people desecrated their father. If you're such a friend, don't you try to console her? You said you would stop if she told you to and then you lied about it. Yesterday you came out and said, "No, I'm not going to stop. I'm not buying into that. I'm more important than Erica Kirk. Please." He was shot dead on live stream with hundreds of cell phones capturing graphic footage of the atrocity. Every member of the TPUSA team was traumatized by what they saw that day and their unsuccessful efforts to save his life. Now, she questioned that. She said people in maroon shirts were in on it. How? How? You're accusing people of murder. Don't talk to me about that. I've been accused of things all my life. Bring me some evidence, some real concrete evidence. Don't accuse people randomly of murder and betrayal. And you keep saying you're going to bring the receipts. Well, where are they? Suspicious DV videos. Okay. There is reason for investigation, but not accusation of people wearing maroon shirts. Come on. Really? Think about it unbiased and logically. Sadist and freaks recorded Tik Toks with millions of views dancing on his grave. GoFundMes popped up to help the alleged killer, 22-year-old furry furry lover Tyler Robinson, who is facing 10 felony counts in Utah, including aggravated murder. Now, she's also claiming that the Utah authorities investigating this case are not on the level. has some kind of cover up and that the United States government and the Israeli government is somehow all involved in this. So you have Utah State, you have TPUSA, you have maybe the United States government, you have the Israelis that she came on very hard and you have Erica Tur Kirk and all the important people in uh TPUSA all complicit in the murder of Charlie Kirk. Did you just hear what I said? Did you hear the volume of people, countries, governments, authorities that are involved in this according to her? Do you hear it? But we can we can't question her motivation. You're making money. She wasn't a friend like she claims with Erica Kirk or Charlie. They didn't associate together. I believe there could be some jealousy there. I'm sorry. It's obvious. Unbiased. Obvious. Why? I'm I don't know her. I have no axe personally to grind with her. I'm I'm an influencer and I'm talking about it now. Maybe that friendship went one way. Didn't entirely go the other way. Oh, but Charlie never, you know, never outward came out. Well, maybe he knew what Candace was capable of and he didn't want that controversy. Same way I know if I continue with the guys that knock on me, they're just going to keep it going. Views, money. I get it. That's the life of an influencer. You get it? Some of them drive on thrive on controversy. By now, conservatives know the left is a vile deal cult full of broken people tipped over the edge by social media. Without a doubt. Without a doubt. What has been far worse than the leftist haters are right-wing adjacent grifters and nuts pushing wicked conspiracy theories about Charlie's murder, pointing the finger at his colleagues, friends, and even Erica herself. Yes, this is what Candace Owens primarily caused. She did. She's a huge influencer. Millions of people following her. Anti-Semmites love her. Those that are against Christians love her. Don't tell me I don't know that. I get the comments whenever I talk. They accuse me of being, you know, in the pocket of the Israelites or the Israelites in the pocket of Israel. They accuse me of, you know, being paid off by Trump. I know what her followers, what they they're look, they don't like TPUSA because they don't like them because she doesn't [music] like them. And she's great in planting these seeds and getting people, oh, this could make sense. But she never shows the receipts. People say, "Well, yes, she did. Well, show me where receipts, not innuendo, not, "Oh, this is not fit." Because again, I'm open to the investigation, but you're also accusing people of the murder, of being complicit in the murder. That's a little bit different. You can question the investigation, but to outwardly accuse people of being complicit in the murder, two different things. [clears throat] Okay? These fantasies have been pedled primarily by former prominent TPUSA luminary Candace Owens on her hit podcast, which gets more than 40 million views for the wildest rants. 40 million. How much money that translates to? A lot of money. The money comes from ads and everything else. A lot of She is making buck on this, which hey, go and make buck. But you're hurting people. people close to Charlie. You're desecrating his memory. Yes, you are. I'm sorry. You can look at it any other way, but oh, it's his best friend. No, it's not. Charlie Kirk didn't look at it that way. If he did, he would have brought her home with Erica. They would have been associating husbands and wife, getting together for dinner, being a great friendship. Eric and her would be together right now on this. Don't give me that line. I'm married four years. I know it. And all you married people out there know the same thing. So, please, we're not buying into that. She has claimed Israel MSAD agents, men in maroon shirts, the US military, Egyptian planes, Jewish donors, and the French government are somehow complicit in Charlie's murder. This would be the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world if all of this were true. But you know what this does every day? Keeps it going. Keeps it going. Oh, the French put a hit out on me. I have to get off my social media post and go to Dolly Land, please. And all it did was fuel for another couple of episodes, another couple of weeks. People are talking about it. Now she comes back on. Boom. Another revelation with nothing to support it. This is this is great stuff on her part as far as making money and keeping her platform going and building it. Is it all going to blow up in her face at one point? I don't know. I think her supporters are stuck with her. They're with her no matter what. She's got that. She I I got to say she was brilliant in that regard. I give credit where credit is due. No doubt about it. She endlessly plays videos of that awful day and theorizes about the exit wound or lack thereof. Okay, that's a right to do that. But are you really honoring Charlie's legacy? Are you really honoring your friend's family and his children? Don't give me that BS because that's all it is. You're not honoring anybody when you're doing that. I could not even think if I thought there was something with my friend, God forbid, that got murdered and I cared about his family. I would never do something like this. Not for money or anything else. That's a money I'm sorry. That's exactly what it is. It's being a money a view Hey, look. I have to say this. She said it. I'm the number one podcaster of the week. She boasted about it. It meant something to her. It really did. Her own words. Fact check me. I ask you to fact check me cuz whatever I'm saying is what I believe to be true and I have the facts to bring it up. I'm not going outside of that bubble at all. This is my observation and I have every right to to question her the same way she questions everybody and everything with a malicious intent in my view. This is not coming from a good place. I am sorry. Worst of the torments Charlie's widow by suggesting in a disingenuous just asking questions way that Charlie was betrayed by the people who loved him most. Her proof a dream. She said she had a dream. I had a very quote from Candace Owens. I had a very vivid dream whereupon Charlie told me that he had been betrayed. Now maybe that got by a couple of people. Maybe maybe maybe there was people thinking, "Oh, it wasn't a dream. Charlie really told her that." She said it happened in a dream that Charlie told her that he was betrayed. It happened in a dream. How many times you want me to repeat that? This is a quote from her best friend. She has thrown suspicion on Charlie's pastor, his chief of staff, his chief his chief operating officer, his spokesman, the camera guy, you name it. Israel, United States, Erica, maroon shirts, you name it. Biggest conspiracy in the history of the world. Charlie King, Charlie Kirk was the antichrist or somebody equal to that. He was that important in the in the in the scheme of this whole thing. Really? Come on. That many people involved in this motivation. Don't question her motivation. No. Can't do that. She plays clips of their reactions the moment Charlie was shot and claims they look claims they look guilty. This is her receipts, her proof. You have every right to be suspicious. She is suspicious that TPUSA supposedly won't give her the footage of Charlie's murder that she laughably claims she needs so she can debunk all these internet conspiracies. Who the heck is she that TPUSA has to give her footage? Who does she think she is? They don't owe her anything. Charlie Kirk doesn't owe her anything. She's been an enemy of TPUSA for years. Why do they have to give her something when she's trying to use it to attack them without proof? That stuff is in the hands of the government. If they cover it up or screw it up, you think she's going to prove something? Really? Who is she? The CIA, the FBI, MSAD, and everybody combined, that's her investigative team. Come on, please. And none of this is making sense, people. Everything about this is wrong, she said. I helped to build that organization. So, I'm almost the perfect person to discern what is normal and what is abnormal. You haven't been part of that organization for six years. Six years. So, what are you saying? You're just It seems that you're really upset that they haven't brought you back. Well, Charlie didn't bring you back. Your best friend didn't bring you back. He didn't try over a couple of years to to to say, "You know what, Candace? All right. This is this is heated right now among everybody back in 2019. Why don't you like take a walk a little bit, you know? Let me calm every because you're my best friend. Let me calm everybody down. Calm everything down and maybe in a year or two I'll bring you back cuz you mean so much to me, Candace. You're such a dear friend. Let me let me work all of this out and I'll bring you back. That never happened. That never happened. Why? If this is your best friend, wouldn't you try to do it that way? TPUSA and Candace Owens have been at odds for six years and Charlie didn't do anything to sue it over. So, she also claims, "I've chosen to be on the side of goodness and truth no matter what the cost is. I'm sorry. I question that. I don't believe she's coming from a good place. When she implicates everybody, when she rebukes his wife and in turn his children. You're not coming from a good place, Candace. You're not fooling me. I spent 20 some odd years on the street. I grew up. You're not fooling me. I'm sorry. You're not coming from a good place. Her dazzling her daily tantalizing drip feed of absurdities, cashing in on her former friend's death big time, big money, has made her millions of dollars. No question about it. I'm an influencer. I know what this what this kind of stuff brings in terms of dollars and cents. She's making millions on this and that's not motivation. People question me for being in ministry if somebody pays me to go and speak. Why? Well, you have a right to question me. Maybe I'm not sincere in your view. I've been doing it for 35 years. Nobody's been able to say anything different. But you have a right to question me. I get it. Some people will use their faith, their ministry to make money. We've seen that happen. So, you have every right to question me. But we can't question Candace who's making millions of dollars on her one-sided friendships, you know, murder. And I'm going to keep saying it, one-sided. I'm sorry. If she were that close to Charlie Kirk and Erica, she wouldn't be doing this. No way. I'm sorry. No way. The more bizarre and dishonest the lies, the more clicks because that's the way the online ecosphere ecosphere works. 100%. Create controversy. Keep this going. Get a big topic and just keep it going. You can accuse me of that right now. It's okay. You have a right to accuse me of that. Michael, what's your motivation doing this? Well, I'm an influencer. This is a big topic. I didn't make it a big topic. Candace made it a big topic. She's doing this. She's invite. She's loving the fact that I'm doing this right now. She doesn't have to respond to me face to face. I would I would sit down with her anytime, any place. And I mean that. Candace, you invite me, I'll be there anytime, any place. How's that? And watch me back it up. Not like you, Candace. Come with different excuses. Finally, on Wednesday, Erica Kirk erupted in a controlled demolition of Owens and all who amplify her toxicity. This is righteous anger. Quote, "Because this is not okay. It's not healthy. This is a mind virus," Erica said. She told Harris Faulner on Fox News, who I love, Harris Faulner, by the way, outnumbered program in an appearance to promote the publication of her husband's final book, Stop in the Name of God. That's her husband's final book. Stop in the name of God. And yes, she's promoting it and she has every right to. Why not? It's her husband. This is his final work. I want justice for my husband, for myself, for my family more than anyone else out there. But here's my breaking point on that. Come after me. Call me names. I don't care. I say the same thing. Don't attack my father. I said, "Call me anything you want. I don't care. Call me what you want. Go down that rabbit hole. Whatever." But when you go after the people that I love and you're making hundreds and thousands of dollars every single episode going after the people that I love, saying because somehow they're in on this. No, she's making hundreds of thousands of dollars per episode. And you're saying we can't question her for doing what she's doing. She claims this was her best friend, which is not true because if it was her best friend, she would be friends with Erica, too. That's how it goes in married life. Okay. The friendship didn't go both ways the way she's describing it. And yes, Charlie Kirk didn't rebuke her publicly because I believe he knew what she was capable of and she's showing us all what she's capable of right now. Don't say we can't question her. That all makes sense. At one point, Erica turned to the camera and pointedly addressed the conspiracy theor theorists. With courage and graceful intensity, she explained why she so far has remained silent in the face of ever more crucial clickbait. My silence does not mean that somehow Turning Point USA and all of the handpicked staff that love my husband and my husband love them is somehow in on this murder. You know what she's saying? She's calling Charlie a freaking idiot. that he had no clue who was around him, that he was a that people all around him were betraying him every single day. They didn't love him, they didn't care about him, and the only person that did was Candace Owens. She's making Charlie out to be an idiot. That's what she's saying that everybody betrayed him and he had no clue. That's not the Charlie Kirk I saw. He was pretty good on his feet. He was pretty damn intelligent. They're playing. People are saying he could run for president one day, but she's saying he's an idiot. He had no clue what was going on around him. Really? Only you knew it, Candace. His wife didn't know it. The people Charlie didn't know it. He's an idiot. That's what Candace Owens is saying. He had no clue. All of these people were betraying him. They were all in on it. And and in the meantime, they were communing with the with the Israel government, with the United States, uh with everybody else. Everybody was complicit in it. But Charlie had no clue. Didn't know [music] a thing. But he did tell her in a dream. In a dream that they were all betraying him. That make sense to you? Her words vividly told him in a dream. Told her in a dream. That's her evidence. Just know that your words are very powerful. And we are human. My team are not machines. They're not robots. We have more death threats on our team and our side than I have ever seen. What are we supposed to do? Relive this trauma all over again? Death threats. Does she care about it? No, she don't care. Come on. You going to be honest about it? She doesn't care. She's causing all of this. She wants it. She thrives on it. She's happy Erica spoke out yesterday. She's glad what I'm doing now. She doesn't care who who challenges her. It just keeps feeding the money machine. Keeps feeding it. The best part was that Erica never mentioned the name of the woman who TPUSA insiders say is afflicted by first wife syndrome. Oh, okay. Come on. It's obvious to me. She wasn't friends with Erica. Charlie didn't bring her home to meet Erica, his best friend. Allegedly. It doesn't happen in a marriage. I'm sorry. It doesn't. You're all friends. All friends. Doesn't happen. First wife. Maybe there was some jealousy there. I could say maybe. We have a right to question that. She was with Charlie in the beginning. Charlie relieves her of her duties because she's saying anti-semite things that angered people. Why not? Hitler was a good was okay what he was doing if he only did it in Germany. That's okay. But when he tried to conquer the world, that was no good. That's a smart statement. All you liberals out there, is Hitler a good person? Wouldn't people get mad? You claim that Trump is Hitler. So you didn't like Hitler. So wouldn't that steam a couple of people? Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people maybe she's an anti-semite. We know that. They say that Owens is consumed by jealousy that Erica has been appointed CEO of TPUSA following Charlie's express wishes to the board and colleagues and captured on video. Her alleged best friend Charlie Kirk wants his wife to be the CEO. These were his wishes. And she outright said yesterday that Erica Kirk should have never been the CEO. She should have never been. Well, her best friend wanted that. Why doesn't she honor the wishes of her best friend? Because it's BS. Charlie was not her best friend. She or I should say she was not Charlie's best friend. That's what the evidence is showing. She was not Charlie's best friend. You can This is circumstantial evidence, but you can say it's evidence. Circumstantial evidence is allowed to be presented in court. And these circumstances certainly add up in a way that there's some jealousy there. Her best friend, according to her, or Charlie's best friend, according to her, wanted his wife to take over as CEO. He said it on video and she said, "No, she shouldn't have done that." Well, why would you go against the wishes of your best friend? Do you see how this is coming aboard? Do you see? Do you understand this? For all you out there that say we can't question Candace Owens, she is a woman scorned. One TPUSA insider said of Owens. She was iced out of TPUSA. Fact, truth, no doubt about that. She was not close to Charlie. I'm giving you very very, you know, very, very good information to suggest that in a very hard way. She was not friends with Erica Kirk. Her husband and her did not associate with Charlie and Erica Kirk. It's been 6 years since that separation had. They were not friends of the family. It's all adding up. He kept her at arms length. Charlie kept her at arms length. He knows the best tack on her was to keep her on ice. She was not invited to Charlie's wedding. Why not? Why was she not invited to Charlie's wedding? Allegedly, she and Charlie were the best of friends. Why not? Married people out there answer that question. Best friends. You don't invite your best friend to a wedding. Come on, please. Charlie continued to exchange light, friendly text messages with Owens to try to stop her attacking TPUSA. Doesn't that make sense? She hates TPUSA since she was iced out of it. So, what did Charlie do? Oh, let me keep this cordial. I know that he's smart. Charlie is smart. According to Candies, he's an idiot cuz he didn't know that the whole world was against him. He didn't know that. Only she knew that, but he didn't know that. How did she know it? Because alleg Well, then she contradicts herself and says, "Charlie did know it because he told her in a dream." Can't have it both ways, Candace. Which way is it? Is he an idiot according to you, or did he know it and tell you in a dream? Come on. This is like childish now. It's almost childish. There are a lot of people who can inherit Charlie's mantle as the conservative Christian on campus, rescuing young people's souls, but Owens is the last person he would have chosen. Of course. Why? because she doesn't like Christians. Now she became a Catholic and she doesn't like Christians anymore. She said, quote, "Fact check me that because the Protestant faith, Protestant faith who believe in Jesus Christ as our savior has so many denominations, she couldn't even get that right." She called it divisions, the different divisions. She knew Charlie was an evangelical Christian, but she said because there's so many divisions, evil can set in. She doesn't like Christianity. She was a Christian, but now she's a Catholic. And all of a sudden, the Catholics are beyond reproach. Well, let me tell you something, and I'm not putting this all. Catholics have had a lot of controversy. You know how many popes have been dishonest? You know how many popes were accused of bribery? You know how many popes have been dishonest? What about all the Catholic priests that were abusing young kids? What about all of that? How come she's not talking about that anymore? Now, does that put a blanket over the whole Catholic faith? Of course not. Are there Christians that have done bad? Of course. You know what she said to Charlie? She said it. Quote, "Her words fact check me." She said, "Charlie, you're too intelligent to be a Protestant, to be a evangelical Christian. You're too intelligent." So, she don't like Christians. TPUSA is a Christian organization. Charlie preached the word of Christ, the gospel. He was an evangelical Christian. So, why is she knocking her best friend in his organization and all of Christianity? And we have no right to question her motivation, right? does it all s it all fits. She doesn't like Jews. She doesn't like Christians since she became a Catholic because Catholics are now beyond reproach. BS. Catholics have had more corruption and controversy than many other faiths. But every faith has them. Christianity, Islam, you name it. Jews, you name it. There is corruption because we are sinful people. Doesn't matter what faith we are. You know what I say? My famous line all the time. I told this to Andrew Tate, okay? Who said that Christians in the West are not sincere. Many of us not are not. Okay? But what I said to Andrew is this. Don't judge a perfect God by his imperfect people. People are always going to screw up. No matter what faith, no matter what you believe in, Catholics, Christians, Islam, Jews, Hindu, you name it. There always going to be people that screw up. But you don't you don't demonize an entire faith because of that. But she does. Charlie is too intelligent to be a Christian. So now it's more reason why she doesn't like TPUSA. She was associated with uh with TPUSA for only two years and resigned or was pushed out in 2019 after being pillared for a comment that seemed to excuse Adolf Hitler. After Charlie's death, she expressed the fantasy that the band maybe was going to get back together. She thought that they were going to bring her back. At first, Charlie's family and colleagues decided to ignore the bile coming from her. But last week, his inner team, who have been running his podcast since he died, finally invited Owens to come on the show and clear the air because she said, "I will come anytime, anywhere, any place." And then she backed out cuz she lied. She wasn't going to sit down face to face with them. She's going to wait till they make their comments, go on her live stream, and try to rebuke everything because she doesn't have to face them. And that will just bring more controversy, more money into the till, and she'll keep this going, and her supporters will support her. Candice, right or wrong? Yeah, that's the game. That's the game. Now, point it out. She was not Charlie Kirk's best friend. The evidence is there to support that. Why? Because she did not Charlie did not bring her into his household. She was not friends with Erica. Candace and her husband George were not best friends with Charlie and Erica. The facts are there. She wasn't invited to Charlie's wedding. She hated TPUSA. She's an anti-semite. She's an anti-Christian. She told Charlie he was too intelligent to be a Christian. It all adds up. She speaks out against Christianity. And let me tell you this one thing I do take personal. She's saying Christianity, Harvest Crusade, and Calvary Chapel are military organizations. I am a member of Harvest Church. Greg Lori is a dear friend and his family. I've known him for 30 years. And that is total BS. Total BS that it's a military operation. And she's saying that because many men from the military now join the c the Christian faith and become members of the church. Why is that making a military not patriots who fought for our country have some scheme going with Christianity? This is what she implied. She said it. Fact check me. These are her words. Come on. They have spent weeks negotiating with her, but say she keeps making excuses for why she can't go to the studio in Phoenix, including that there is a local cartel that wants to assassinate her. What was she doing at Dolly Land if there's a local cartel? And I've said this and I'm saying it again right now. Her husband's a wimp. He's part of this whole thing. He's a wimp. Some people are saying he's gay. I don't know that their marriage is a is a farce. I'm not going to say that. They have four children together. I wouldn't dishonor their kids by saying that. I'm not saying that. But I will say this. If your wife is the target of all of this bile and hatred and assassination attempts and you continue to let her be that target, something's wrong with you. No. No self-respecting man would would allow his wife to continue to be put in a position where her life may be in danger, the children may be in danger. No self-respecting husband or would do that. I'm sorry. And I've said this already on a prior podcast because that's what I believe based upon my relationship with my wife and all the men that I know in a marriage. Of course, she claims there's an Israel in the assassin squad. And in case in any case, next Tuesday, the Charlie Kirk show will debunk all the nonsense with or without Owens. So, she's not going to appear. She's made excuses. Her husband has people coming in. Same excuse. She made an excuse about after she said anytime, any place. She can't go to Phoenix. She can go anywhere she wants. Please. She doesn't watch her kids all day. She's got housekeepers or whatever that watch the kids. Her husband probably watches the kids or who I don't know what the situation is there. She could be in Phoenix. This is so important. So important. This is it. I get a chance to put TPUSA on the spot. I can't wait to get there to back up all of these theories that I've been throwing out there. If that was me, bring me on, man. I want to face these people that I'm accusing of murder. I want to face every one of them cuz I got the goods. You keep claiming that you have the goods and yet now you don't want to face them. Please, if this was my best friend, put me in the damn room with these people because I'm accusing you of murder and I've got the goods. Please. I'm going to wrap this up now. But man, I'm telling you, we have every right to question her. And I hope you just take an unbiased look at what I've said and what people now are saying. You know what? There's some people saying out there now that maybe she had some involvement in the murder. People can throw that out the same way. I'm not doing that. But people are now saying that there's so much bile coming out of her. Maybe she had something to do with the murder. I don't know. I don't believe that. I'll tell you that right now. I don't believe that. And you're not going to see me continue that nonsense. Oh, let me think. Oh, man. Maybe I can put enough evidence together to try to make my podcast go for a couple of views and make a couple hundred grand on it. It's exactly what she's doing. I'm sorry. It doesn't add up, people. That's it. I want to hear your comments. Come on in. Jump in. Whatever you got to do, let's do it. Bring it on. Bring it on. That's all I have for today, my friends. How do I always leave you? Same way. And I can't wait to get the comments on this. Same way. Be safe. Be healthy. God bless each and every one of you. Family, friends, and yes, God bless America. I wish somehow during this Christmas season we can try to unite, but I don't think it's going to happen. See you next time. Take care.
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