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Standing With Candace Owens
Megyn Kelly opens up about her decision not to call out Candace Owens for raising questions about Israel's possible involvement in Charlie Kirk's death. Kelly makes it clear she was completely comfortable with those questions being asked and remains so. She acknowledges her own openness to the possibility that someone aligned with or from Israel might have had involvement, though she personally believes it was Tyler Robinson acting either alone or with accomplices, or possibly manipulated by someone.
Kelly explains how the focus of Owens' commentary shifted to Erika Kirk and Turning Point USA. During this period, Kelly worked closely with Turning Point and Erika, advising them on how to handle Owens' questions. Kelly's advice was consistent: Candace has a right to ask whatever questions she wants, and the best approach is not to try to combat each claim or respond to every question. Sometimes they agreed with her approach, sometimes they didn't, but Kelly remained in close contact with them throughout.
Eventually, Erika asked Kelly to help broker a meeting or some sort of reconciliation with Owens. Kelly suggested that perhaps a simple email might be the best approach rather than a meeting or the live stream Erika initially wanted. Kelly tried to be of service and also spoke with Candace, being honest with her throughout the process.
Kelly reveals that she's gotten to know Owens much better over the past six months—better than ever before. Through this closer relationship, Kelly has learned about what's being done to Candace by some of the people they've been discussing, calling it disgusting and saying she's horrified by what Owens has been put through. Kelly makes her position crystal clear: she's not Owens' policeman and doesn't want to be. Her advice to critics is simple: if you don't like her, don't click on her face.
Bari Weiss at CBS: A Doomed Experiment
When Tucker Carlson asks about Bari Weiss's appointment at CBS, Kelly doesn't mince words. She flatly predicts the experiment won't succeed and that nothing will change at the network. Most importantly, she says Bari Weiss won't be the one to change it.
Kelly lays out her case methodically. First, she points out that Weiss has never worked in television a single day in her life. She wasn't even very experienced in the press business or newspaper business, having quit the New York Times after just a couple of years. Kelly acknowledges that Weiss has one thing going for her: she's not woke when it comes to certain groups, though she is woke when it comes to American Jewish people and somewhat when it comes to women. But being less far-left than some woke radicals who dominated during 2020 and its aftermath doesn't qualify someone to run a news organization.
Kelly addresses the tweet she sent when Weiss got the job, saying Weiss deserved her success. She explains she was being nice because they were friendly, and she doesn't begrudge anyone their success or the money Weiss got paid for an organization that honestly wasn't worth $100 million. But the fact remains: Weiss has no business running a TV news organization.
The Broadcast Piece Matters
Kelly emphasizes that there's a lot more to TV news than just taking the free press and putting it on TV. There's a reason they call it broadcast news—there are two pieces to it. The news is important, but so is the broadcast piece. And the fact that Weiss put herself at the helm of the Erika Kirk town hall proves she doesn't understand the broadcast piece.
Kelly doesn't pull punches: Bari Weiss is not a strong broadcaster for many reasons and should not be on camera. She should not be the face of CBS News, and she absolutely should not steal the on-air opportunities of the talent filling those roles. Kelly points out there's no better way to create loathing and resentment from the talent in your building than for you as an executive to start stealing their prime time opportunities.
The Erika Kirk Town Hall Disaster
The town hall was a massive failure, Kelly says. The ratings were terrible, and it wasn't because the public isn't interested in Erika. The problem was that Weiss didn't lead Erika to good places where she could shine. Instead, Weiss ambushed her with the guy who asked Charlie the last question before he was shot and killed. She brought him back to face Erika Kirk to finish a question and to ask Erika to condemn Trump's violent rhetoric.
Kelly's outrage is palpable as she describes the situation: this is the guy who saw Erika's husband get assassinated by a leftist furry-loving guy, and now Weiss wants to make his widow condemn Trump—the president who just gave her husband the presidential medal of freedom, whose vice president buried him and got him on Air Force 2. Kelly doesn't hold back: "How dare you? How dare you do that, Bari Weiss." She says Weiss had zero sensitivity about the ambush, and there's no love lost between Erika Kirk and Bari Weiss.
Tony Dokoupil and the CBS Evening News
Kelly continues her critique, addressing the broader problems at CBS. There's no saving CBS Evening News, she says. She questions what Tony Dokoupil has done so far, noting that nobody knows who he is. He got the job because he had a contentious segment with Ta-Nehisi Coates in which he was good. Coates went to Israel for 10 days and came back claiming to be an expert, wanting to write his thoughts. Kelly dismisses this: you're not an expert after 10 days anywhere. She jokes that she just got back from Montana for 10 days, and that doesn't make her an expert on Montana—it's cold, has bears, people love to hunt, but she's not an expert.
That interview with Coates was why Dokoupil got the job—because he stuck up for Israel. He has an ex-wife living in Israel, and that's the agenda now of Bari Weiss and her bosses, the Ellisons at CBS and possibly at CNN if they wind up buying that too, though it's not looking good given the rejection of that bid.
Kelly asks what Dokoupil has actually done. She says they pulled up segments from when he was a correspondent, noting that he's now claiming he's always hated the reliance on elites and that he's going to be for the people—trying to sound like a Fox News anchor. But when they looked at his coverage of major news events, like the Border Patrol allegedly whipping Haitian migrants story, Dokoupil didn't get it right even 24 hours in after the Reuters photographer who took the pictures said that's not what they show. He jumped right on the bandwagon and served it up to Jen Psaki, letting her dump all over the Trump administration and the Border Patrol.
Kelly expresses deep skepticism that Dokoupil is the savior of CBS Evening News. People aren't interested in network news, she says. They're really not interested in Evening Network News, and they're really not interested in CBS Evening Network News. It will fail, as will the entire network.
Bari's Sales Pitch
Tucker Carlson responds with grudging respect for Weiss's ability to convince the Ellisons that CBS News was the way to control American public opinion, calling it hilarious. The conversation captures the insider perspective both Kelly and Carlson bring to understanding the dysfunction and delusion driving decisions at legacy media companies.
Video Transcript
[00:00] Candace Owens and that she really drives
[00:02] people crazy. She drives them crazy.
[00:05] They were very angry that I didn't call
[00:07] her out for what she said about Israel
[00:08] possibly being involved with Charlie
[00:10] Kirk. Well, I didn't call her out
[00:11] because I was totally fine with those
[00:12] questions being raised and still am. I
[00:15] like I'm sorry, [laughter]
[00:16] but I am I sick of this I I am
[00:20] allowed to have questions about what if
[00:22] anyone aligned with Israel or from
[00:24] Israel might have had to do with
[00:26] Charlie's death. I think it was Tyler
[00:28] Robinson. I think he acted either alone
[00:30] or with transif
[00:33] I got I have an open heart to he was
[00:35] manipulated by somebody I do. So I'm
[00:38] fine with those questions and I'm sorry
[00:39] for people who don't want them asked. Uh
[00:41] and then it switched to Erica Kirk and
[00:43] Turning Point. Erica became Turning
[00:46] Point became the focus of Candace Owens.
[00:48] And honestly Tucker from that point
[00:49] forward I worked with Turning Point and
[00:51] Erica regularly to say look Candace has
[00:54] a right to ask the questions she wants
[00:55] to ask. I'm very close with everybody
[00:58] there as I know you are too and I talk
[01:01] with them at length often about what's
[01:04] the best way of handling this right and
[01:06] I did not think it was a great idea to
[01:07] go out and try to combat each claim I
[01:10] really thought just let her do her thing
[01:12] you don't get to police her but you also
[01:15] don't have to respond to every question
[01:16] she asked like that's just not I
[01:18] wouldn't do it and I don't suggest you
[01:20] do it sometimes they agreed with me
[01:22] sometimes they didn't but for the whole
[01:24] time I was in close contact with them
[01:25] and then ultimately Eric America was
[01:27] asking me if I would help forge a
[01:29] meeting with them, broker a piece of
[01:32] some sorts. I told her, you know, maybe
[01:34] you could just email Candace and put it
[01:36] to bed. You know, maybe that's the best
[01:38] way instead of like getting together, I
[01:39] don't know, or doing some She wanted to
[01:41] do a live stream initially. Um, she
[01:44] didn't want to do it that way. Whatever.
[01:46] I tried to be of service. I spoke with
[01:47] Candace, too, and was honest with her.
[01:49] And I've gotten to know her a lot better
[01:51] over the past six months. And actually,
[01:52] I I know her better now than ever. And
[01:54] I've learned a lot about what's being
[01:56] done to Candace by some of the people
[01:58] we've been discussing. And it's
[02:00] disgusting and I'm horrified by what
[02:02] she's been put through. So I'm really
[02:04] just not in the mood. I'm not her
[02:06] policeman. I don't want to be her
[02:08] policeman. You don't like her? Don't
[02:10] click on her face. Same for me. Same for
[02:12] you. [laughter]
[02:15] >> It's the best. What I have to ask you
[02:17] about Barry Weiss CBS. How is that
[02:21] experiment going? And will it succeed?
[02:23] As a veteran of network news, I'm
[02:25] interested in your thoughts.
[02:27] >> No, it won't. It won't go well. It won't
[02:29] succeed. Nothing's going to change
[02:30] there. And Barry Weiss won't be the one
[02:32] to change it. First of all, Tucker,
[02:34] let's be honest. She's never worked in
[02:35] television a day in her life. Not one
[02:37] day. She actually wasn't very
[02:38] experienced even in the press business,
[02:39] even in the newspaper business. You
[02:41] know, she quit the New York Times after
[02:42] a couple years. So, she's got one thing
[02:45] going for her, which is she is not woke
[02:49] when it comes to
[02:51] blacks and Indians and like
[02:55] I can't think of any other favorite
[02:57] groups, but she is woke when it comes to
[02:59] American Jewish people and somewhat when
[03:01] it comes to women. So,
[03:04] okay, she's not as far-left as some of
[03:07] the other woke radicals who dragged us
[03:08] through 2020 and its aftermath. Um, but
[03:12] she she doesn't have any business
[03:13] running a news organization. And you
[03:15] know, people have pointed out that I
[03:16] sent out a tweet when she got the job
[03:18] saying she deserves her success. Of
[03:19] course, I was being nice because we were
[03:21] friendly. And also because I don't
[03:23] begrudge her her success or the money
[03:25] that she got paid for an organization
[03:27] that honestly wasn't worth $100 million.
[03:29] Like the multiples didn't play out, but
[03:31] God bless. If you can get somebody to
[03:32] pay you a ton of money for your
[03:34] company, go for it. Um,
[03:38] but no, she has no business running a
[03:39] news a TV news organization. There's a
[03:41] lot more to TV news than just taking the
[03:43] free press and putting it on TV. A lot
[03:46] more. It there's a reason they call it
[03:49] broadcast news. There are two pieces to
[03:51] it. The news is important, but so is the
[03:53] broadcast piece. And the fact that she
[03:55] put herself at the helm of the Erica
[03:57] Kirk town hall proves to me she doesn't
[04:00] understand the broadcast piece. Because
[04:02] I'm sorry not to be mean, but Barry
[04:04] Weiss is not a strong broadcaster for
[04:06] many, many reasons and she should not be
[04:08] on camera and she should not be the face
[04:10] of CBS News and she really shouldn't
[04:12] steal the on-air opportunities of the
[04:15] talent who are filling those roles.
[04:18] There's no better way, and I don't have
[04:19] to tell you this, to engender a loathing
[04:22] and resentment from the the talent that
[04:26] works in your bu building than for you
[04:28] as an executive to start stealing their
[04:31] prime time opportunities. It was a
[04:34] massive fail. The ratings sucked. And
[04:37] trust me, it wasn't because the public's
[04:39] not interested in Erica. She didn't lead
[04:41] Erica to good places for Erica to shine.
[04:44] She she ambushed her with the guy who
[04:47] asked Charlie the last question before
[04:50] he was shot and killed. She brought him
[04:52] back to face Erica Kirk to finish a
[04:55] question and to ask Erica to condemn
[04:58] Trump's violent rhetoric. This is the
[05:01] guy who saw Erica's husband get
[05:03] assassinated by a leftist
[05:06] furryloving guy. And now you want to
[05:09] make his widow condemn Trump who just
[05:11] gave her husband the presidential medal
[05:13] of freedom whose vice president buried
[05:16] him, got him on Air Force 2. How dare
[05:18] you? How dare you do that, Barry Weiss.
[05:20] And she had zero sensitivity about it.
[05:22] She ambushed her. And trust me when I
[05:24] tell you, there's no love loss between
[05:26] Erica Kirk and Barry Weiss. So that's
[05:29] just my little window into what she's
[05:31] been doing. But on top of that, Tucker,
[05:34] I I've got more if you want it.
[05:35] >> Oh, I love it. I love it. is you.
[05:37] There's no saving CBS evening. There's
[05:40] no saving evening news and there's
[05:41] really no saving CBS Evening News. This
[05:44] guy Tony Dapool, what has he done so
[05:46] far? Nobody knows who the hell he is.
[05:48] Um, so far he got the job because he had
[05:51] a contentious segment with Tanahi Coats
[05:53] in which he was good. Tanahi Coats went
[05:55] to Israel for 10 days and came back and
[05:57] said he was an expert on it and wanted
[05:59] to write his thoughts. Okay, you're not.
[06:01] Be quiet. Leave it to people who
[06:02] actually have done a little study on it.
[06:04] You're going anywhere for 10 days. I
[06:05] mean, I just got back from Montana for
[06:06] 10 days. Doesn't make me an expert on
[06:08] Montana. It's cold. It's got bears.
[06:10] People love to hunt, okay? Like, I'm not
[06:12] an expert, [snorts] okay? But anyway,
[06:14] um, that was a good interview. That's
[06:16] why he got the job because he stuck up
[06:18] for Israel. He has an ex-wife who's
[06:20] living in Israel. And of course, that's
[06:22] the agenda now of Barry Weiss and her
[06:23] boss, the Ellison's at CBS and possibly
[06:26] at CNN if they wind up buying that, too.
[06:28] Although, it's not looking good for them
[06:29] given the rejection of that bid today.
[06:31] In any event, so so that's why he got
[06:34] the job. What has What has he done? We
[06:35] pulled up a few segments that Tony
[06:37] Dokapool has done while a correspondent
[06:39] because now he's claiming I've always
[06:40] hated it. I've gotten it. Too much
[06:42] reliance on elites. I'm going to be for
[06:45] the people. He's trying to sound like a
[06:46] Fox News anchor. Well, we pulled up a
[06:48] couple of big news events. We pulled up
[06:50] the uh Border Patrol is whipping Haitian
[06:53] migrants at the border story. Did Tony
[06:55] Dokapool get it right even 24 hours into
[06:58] it after the Reuters photographer who
[07:00] took the pictures and said that's not
[07:02] what they show came out and said that's
[07:03] wrong. Nope. He jumped right on the
[07:06] bandwagon. Served it up to Jen Saki who
[07:08] is his guest to let her take a huge dump
[07:11] all over the Trump administration and
[07:12] the border patrol. But that's the
[07:14] rescue. That's the savior of CB CBS
[07:17] evening news. Count me a skeptic. Tucker
[07:20] people aren't interested. They're not
[07:22] interested in network news. They're
[07:23] really not interested in Evening Network
[07:24] News and they're really not interested
[07:26] in CBS Evening Network News. It will
[07:29] fail as will the entire network.
[07:31] >> Boy, uh, but Barry, I mean, Barry makes
[07:34] me respect her a little bit. She's
[07:35] obviously a good talker that she
[07:37] convinced the Ellisons that CBS News was
[07:39] like
[07:39] >> totally
[07:40] >> the way to control American public
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