I think he is playing a little bit of footsie [music] with this. >> I didn't bring a list of conservatives to denounce or to deplatform. >> He's trying to see which way the wind blows because obviously he [music] wants to be president after Trump. I don't like that. I I don't and I don't I don't like it sort of just as [music] a human being and as American, I don't I don't really respect it. >> You've kind of had a lot of contact communication with Candace. When did it start to become clear to you that she was going down this path? For an hour, she was [music] ranting and raving about how awful Charlie is and he's a sellout. It was it was right after October 7th. I sent her a couple texts [music] just saying, "Hey, I think you're kind of missing this or if you want to talk about it a little bit more." She basically just kind of blew me off. Putting [music] aside what my feelings are about all this, Trump has gone so far with the rhetoric. I don't know how you walk that back and suddenly be like, "Well, you know, they did kill 30, 40,000 of their own people [music] and I did say help is coming, but we we made a deal." like ju just doesn't really sound like how he's operated >> with October 7th and many Jewish people feel obviously much more aware of their Jewishness. Has your relation relationship with your Judaism and Jewish identity evolved uh at all over [music] the past few years? Okay everyone, today I am so thrilled and privileged to be joined by Dave Rubin, the host of the extraordinarily popular Ruben Report. Dave, I don't know if you remember, but you actually uh joined our show JTV about eight years ago. I wasn't the host of the current affairs segment at the time. Here you are. Let me just get you up on the screen. But here you are all those years ago. This was back in I think this was 2018. Um so, uh I have to say you're looking great. [laughter] >> Thank you. That is a lifetime ago. Well, I've been on, as the kids call it, a big glow up operation over here. I'm largely doing the carnivore diet. I've been working out like six days a week. You know, I'm living in Florida now where although it's quite chilly as we uh as we record this, you know, the weather's great. So I'm outdoors all the time and I was also uh I've written about it. I was also going through a bit of a a medical issue at that time. I had developed alipcia ariata where you lose huge chunks of your hair. It's mostly they think it's stress related. So I changed a lot of lifestyle habits and yeah so it's sometimes when I when people post old things from me it's a little hard to look at but uh but here we are at the ripe old age of 49. It's good to be back on JNS [laughter] >> JTV. We love JNS, but this one's JTV. But um [laughter] >> sorry, sorry. I like those guys, too. But it's good to be back on JTV. Okay. >> We like him too as well. No, thank you so much. And Dave, I have to say that the thing about you that I mean I respect you for many reasons, but one of the things that uh I respect having watched your journey now over basically a decade is that you are clearly someone that is a truth seeker. Many people are politically tribal, but you've your journey has proven that you're someone that's seeking the truth. And I just want to elaborate on that in a second for our audience who might not be so familiar. So here's a photo that I've dug out that shows Dave. Can you see him at the front? But further towards the back there is in the glasses >> we picture. Do you do you remember this picture Dave? >> I I genuinely I mean [clears throat] obviously I worked at the Young Turks at the time. Is that at the studio? I have no idea what that is truly. >> I don't know. But the reason I was sharing is because precisely as you said Cheng worked uh in collaboration with the Young Turks with Cheng Wager who as we all know is someone that I'm often reporting on but not for good reasons. And then later um Cheng decided so he was uh you know I assume kind of associated very much with the left progressive side and then came out with this big video after you know a lot of I'm sure internal uh thinking and reflections on PragerU which was called why I left the left. Um and since that point, you know, you've been advocating from more of a uh conservative leaning or libertarian positions, but even now when you know, some of the people you may have been more associated with uh like the Tucker Carlson's and the Candace Owens as well as the Ben Shapiro and the Mark Leven, you've still uh stuck to what you believe is the truth rather than just blowing with the the convenient winds. Um, and you've been calling out the nonsense that's appearing on parts of the right and I want to talk to want to talk to you about all of that in a moment. Um, but just want to say I really respect you for for being that kind of person that just is a critical thinker. Um, and one of the things I wanted to ask you before before getting into all the the political developments >> is g given that this journey that you've been on and with all the craziness we've seen particularly in the last few years, are there any views or positions that you've had that have significantly evolved in more more recently? >> Oh, that's interesting because I usually people usually ask me how I evolved from the left, you know, more towards what we consider the right now. and you're asking me has anything changed you know let's say in the last two years or so I mean first let me just quick let me just quickly say to that that kind intro you gave there you know in in retrospect looking back on my journey and I've been doing you know the Ruben report started 13 years ago on on the Young Turks so it's it's been a while that I've been on the online game you know I'm in in a weird way I'm very appreciative of being at the Young Turks not because they're particularly good people or that the experience there was particularly good or any of the subsequent things, but I really was in the belly of the beast of sort of progressive craziness over there, you know, calling everybody a racist and a Nazi and all the usual stuff. And that really led to my wake up. So, when I did that video, why I left the left, which I think came out in 2016 or 17, really all I was doing was defending my classically liberal positions, which I'm happy to discuss here if you want, and and juxtaposing those with the craziness of the left. So had I not been so embedded with that ideology, I don't know that I ever would have fully evolved to where I am now. I I just happened to be early in on it. So you know what, you know, when I was calling out a lot of that nonsense, it was before the phrase woke. It was sort of before the idea of identity politics and all these things. So again, I'm sort of appreciative in a weird way because I saw how the sausage was made and then I was able to shine a light on it earlier than most people where now everyone gets what woke is. Everyone gets what identity politics and sort of the craziness of the left are. As far as as far as evolving, you know, subsequently once I became on the right, the only way I could maybe answer that would be that, you know, when when I really started shifting, I I think the main thing that I started shifting on was economics and I and I was, you know, very much into libertarian ideals and economics and things of that nature. I still am. I want as little government control over things. I want low taxes. I think you should have more of your money and all of those kinds of things. But but I would say where I've split with sort of the most hardcore libertarians is that you know on foreign policy I believe in peace through strength. I believe that a strong America is good for the world. I believe that um that America is a still a moral force that is good. We are the last superpower. So right now there's an I would say an increasingly um loud strain of people I would include Tucker in that that are on the hyper isolationist um not very proud of America bandwagon and and I definitely don't include myself in that. >> Right. Right. And I'm curious g you we'll talk about the what's happening on the right in a moment but given you you kind of have a very firsthand experience of the the progressive side and the the woke left. I'm curious about your thoughts on the future of America and progressivism. You know, we've seen Mum Dani getting elected um in New York City. I'm I'm wondering what what way do you think the Democrats are going to head? They kind of try to move a bit a little bit more towards the center, quote unquote, with Biden. Um some are predicting that they will head back to the center over the next few years. Others saying no, Trump is causing such outrage that they're going to go more extreme. So, I'm curious, what way do you think what direction do you think they're going to head in? And will they win next time? >> Well, I think Biden was their last serious shot at at least pretending that they were not radical in that if you remember during the primary when Biden was running, you know, you had the real outlandish leftists. You had Bernie Sanders. You had Elizabeth Warren. You had even Camala further to the left of Biden. Biden was sold to us basically as, "Oh, it's old Joe Biden. We all know who he is. He's just an old Democrat. He won't be crazy. I mean, that's really what the media narrative around Joe Biden was. Then he governed as an absolute extreme leftist almost on every possible position. And the truth is, we don't even know who was governing governing because it wasn't Joe Biden. It seems to me at this point they're going to have a real problem getting the base. The base was not thrilled that Biden was the guy last time, but they there was still enough old school power in the Clinton family, etc. to kind of shut them up. It seems to me now the inmates are completely running the asylum. So, let's say let's say Gavin Newsome, who I think is, you know, as I talk about on my show all the time, I think he's an evil lizard person. He has destroyed everything he has ever touched except his bank account. He destroyed San Francisco. He's destroyed as mayor. He's destroyed Cali as governor. But I don't think he fundamentally is like a crazed communist quasi jihadist who wants to destroy America. Now mom dami I do think is that AOC I don't think she's a jihadist exactly but I think she plays footsie with them. So Gavin although he is horrible and he's a big government leftist who ruins everything. He might be the easiest one to sell to the Democrats sort of nationally, as awful and fake and fabricated as I think he is. However, I would say there's very few sane people left on in the party. I mean, John Federman is basically the last one in the polit in the political sense. And then, you know, you've got Bill Maher from a media sense, but he mostly agrees with Republicans at this point. Um, so I don't know which way they ultimately will go, but I do know that right now with everything happening in Minnesota and the level of rhetoric that every single Democrat, every single Democrat except for Federman is putting out there is basically don't believe in law and order, don't believe in the Constitution. Anyone can be here. America is fundamentally a flawed project. And I don't see how there's no elder statesman. There's no, you know, it should be Bill Clinton. That's that's the irony. had they not gone crazy here. It doesn't even have to be Hillary Clinton, right? Maybe she's a little too polarizing. But Bill Clinton was a super popular two-time president who was a moderate Democrat who basically governed like Trump pretty much. He should be the elder statesman of the party who would be be able to control some of this. But he some for whatever reason has basically largely checked out. Maybe it's the association with Hillary. Who knows? So there's just no adults left and I I see nothing getting them off the train to crazy town. >> And do you think if they keep going on that train to crazy town that America will say yay or nay? >> Well, that's the question. I mean, I don't think most Americans want what they're selling. But you have to remember what the Democrats are really good at doing is controlling the narrative because they have the media. So, if you if you look at what's going on in Minnesota right now, if you just asked an impartial sort of a-political average person in America, should illegals be in the country? Uh, most people would say no. And then if you said to them, okay, so what should we do about it? They'd say, well, if the states are going to protect them, then the feds have to go in and get them. That's all that's happening here. By the way, that's what Obama did. That's what Clinton did. That's what George W. Bush did, etc., etc. But because the Democrats have the narrative, they have two things. They have the narrative and they have the foot soldiers. We've already been through these riots with BLM and with COVID and all the rest of it. They're just recycling it and putting a new name on it. Now it's got a little bit of Hamas in it too and a little bit of, you know, communism and, you know, they're they're not calling them Democrat socialists anymore. They're just calling themselves socialists or communists. Like it's all finally bubbling to the top, which I suppose is good in some sense instead of the slow roll to hell that we've been on. Um, but I I think because they have the foot soldiers and because they have the media, they have put Trump and freedomloving Americans in a really terrible situation. Because what is Donald Trump supposed to do right now? Is he supposed to say, "All right, you know what? I've seen the chaos on the streets and two people did get killed and put aside the circumstance around it. We're going to we're going to take our guys out of Minnesota." Okay, so then let Minnesota be a occupied failed state. There are 90,000 illegals in Minnesota. It's a city of, I think, 470,000 people. That is absolutely insane and unsustainable. So, Trump can't stop. And the Democrats want more violence because the more violent and the more hectic and crazy it gets, the more they can blame it on Trump. So, we really are starting to get to loggerheads here. And I I don't know which way it breaks. Nobody knows which way it's going to break. >> Wow. Wow. Yeah. often we a pattern that we see on the left is they'll govern through a culture of fe fear and emotional intimidation rather than dealing with facts and uh scary because it really can be very very powerful indeed and we've seen that a lot in the whole Israel Palestine debate. Um but now let's turn to the the woke right because as I said at the start you've been very vocal about this. Um in fact one of the main main uh figures of the the whole debate really. Um I wanted to start by talking about our good old friend Tucker. um who uh recently I saw you put a tweet out where Tucker was saying in a conference in Riyad, Saudi Arabia, saying, "You know, it's just absolutely fabulous being a Christian in Saudi Arabia, even though it's technically illegal to practice Christianity there." Let's just watch the clip. >> I'm for whatever it's worth, a pretty fervent Christian and I feel uh completely comfortable here in the in the seat of Islam. Not be right. It's a and why is >> like obviously obviously meanwhile it's it's forbidden to to preach Christianity or set up a church there. Um now your take on this was that you think you wrote he feels completely comfortable because he's being paid a boatload of money to subvert America. Now I wonder if you could elaborate on that cuz I'm personally I feel a bit torn. I'm not sure maybe you're pro to more information than I am. On the one hand I think >> you know yes he has all these associations just bought a house in Qatar. He's got these Qatari investors. On the other hand, I wonder whether actually the chicken and the eggs is the other way around. I wonder whether in Tucker's case, he genuinely believes this stuff. You know, I think he believes in replacement theology. I think that fuels his antise-semitism. I think he just, I don't know, is prepared to get down these rabbit holes. Um, and therefore, as a result, that kind of anti-western money chases him, >> right? So, I'd say there's a couple versions of this. When I said that statement, you know, basically he's paid to subvert America. I mean, he got paid to go to that conference. Obviously, there's no doubt he got at least six figures, flew on a private plane, etc., etc. Let's not forget when he was in Qatar a couple of weeks ago, said he was going to buy a house there. You know, one of the ways in the '9s that the Russians would get Westerners to support them or in the 80s before the the Iron Curtain fell um is that they could give, you know, in essence they would buy houses. You'd buy some super cheap house and then the Russians years later would buy it back for way more. So there's ways that you can sort of money launder and everything else. I I would say there's another version of this which Tucker might just be playing a very very kind of um wicked game. And that wicked game might be he might genuinely think that the West is going to fall to Islam. And by the way, that is possible that the West will fall to Islam. And he might just be trying to get some cred with his new leaders. And that actually might be the case. I I actually think that maybe he's getting some money or we know he's getting some money for sure, but the guy's plenty rich already. I think he was making about 20 mil a year at Fox, even though he yelled, you know, there was a turning point event not too long ago where someone said, "You're worth 50 million." And he started yelling at the kid. And it's like, dude, you were the number one host on cable news making 20 mil for years on top of all your other investments and everything else. Like, you're doing just fine. And also, as if you're supposed to be on the right and a capitalist, I don't know why you'd be ashamed of making money. Maybe he is ashamed of making money. you know, he sells his uh his nicotine, which is Americanmade, but actually it's produced in India. Um I don't know why he didn't want to make that in America, but I would say it's a combination of all of these things with him. There is some version of the replacement theory stuff. Also, you know, it's so interesting to get up there and say as a Christian, well, okay, you didn't go pray at a Christian church because there are none there. And it's like, yeah, as a super rich elite, he's always talking about the elite. Well, you are the elite, brother. Um >> and he's a porn of the whole Islamist project. So, of course they're going to like him, >> right? I mean, he's done videos talking about why Sharia law is basically pretty good. You know, obviously his endless obsession with Israel is is it's just boring at this point. Like, it doesn't strike me as anything other than boring. Um, he does not he fundamentally does not like the West. Look, I would say this, you know, if if Donald Trump is trying to figure out how do we not lose the midterms and how do I parlay my four years here into either, you know, some extension of this, whether it's JD Vance or Marco, but you know, somebody that's Republican, you got to deal with this because, you know, on my show every single day, it is very easy for me to defend virtually every Donald Trump policy. Thank God that man is president. Thank God he survived that assassination attempt. And thank God he's pulling us out of these ridiculous international accords and he's leading through peace through strength and you know he's trying to lower taxes. He's trying to kick things more back to the states. He's close the border. He's doing all these things. Tucker never does a positive show on Trump. So Trump has to figure out who his allies are. Uh what what's going on in his heart or brain? I don't know. But you know for him to say like a as a pretty fervent Christian, I don't know what he means by that. I mean, if I was Christian, I'd probably be offended because he's he's probably the number one liar in America, and I don't think that that's a Christian trait. So, but that's that's I suppose for for Christians to uh wrestle with. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, we have a lot of Christian viewers that that often make this point to us and they make it clear that they they find it deeply uh disagreeable what Tucker says. Um, but you mentioned uh JD Vance earlier and I wanted to I was curious to know what you you had to say about him because there's been a number of incidents over maybe the past year or so where I felt that it's no it's no kind of like major one big moment where I'm like okay this is a massive problem but lots of kind of small instance where I felt like JD Vance is playing a bit of a pandering to the gropers type game. Uh, one of those in particular, uh, where I was like, "Oh gosh, this really I don't like this at all." Was at that Turning Point USA conference where Ben Shapiro spoke a few days prior and I think absolutely rightly said, he didn't even talk about Israel for that matter, that we need to deal with the fact that we have people like Candice and Tucker pushing these uh, con dangerous conspiracy theories which have no end in sight other than sewing division and causing chaos. I mean, especially around the organization's uh martyed uh founder, Charlie Kirk. And then he comes on stage a few days later and says, "I did not come here with a list of conservatives to denounce and deplatform." And uh you know, a few uh weeks prior, I think he was just a as people were coming into his home for a Kanekra event, he was um magnifying this uh Twitter account uh that was kind of talking about anti-semitism. and he was basically saying that b downplaying any of that happening on the right and we all well know whether it's Candice or others that it's it's growing and then recently that Holocaust message where he doesn't mention Jews at all again it could just be an oversight but I just wondered what's I'm curious to know Dave Rubin's take on Mr. events, >> you know, you know, I've I've I've interviewed the vice president several times before he was vice president, even before he was senator uh of Ohio. I've interviewed him many times. Um I've spent time with him personally, you know, so it's not just all done on Zoom and and I happen to like him a lot. I saw him on inauguration night at uh at a party. There's a picture of us with, you know, big when I said hello to him, big embrace and smile. Um I think he was incredible at the vice presidential debate. I think he's a he's I've seen him do other talks where I'm unbelievably impressed with his breath of knowledge and his ability to communicate it. You know, Trump's really good at the slogan stuff and JD really is good at sort of the the more granular how do you explain these policies? So that that's how I want to start this. Now to address what you said, I think he is playing a little bit of footsie with this in that he's trying to see which way the wind blows because obviously he wants to be president after Trump. I don't like that. I I don't and I don't I don't like it sort of just as a human being and as American I don't I don't really respect it but I understand that people are all playing a political game to some extent. I would say in this case what what would probably be the best thing would be for him to be a little more Trumplike in this and just really tell us what he thinks. You know the the irony is you know Trump for all for whatever anyone wants to say about Trump is you don't really doubt what Trump thinks on anything. You really don't. He says what he thinks. You take it for what it is and and that's it. You would think that, you know, his own vice president would perhaps take that to heart a little bit more because he would he would get a little more respect. Look, I I don't think JD hates the Jews. I don't think he hates Israel or anything else. I think he's he's playing a little bit of a cold, calculated political game, but he is a politician and that's what they do. Do we wish that perhaps they could often be better than they are or braver than they are or something else? But also, by the way, he'll have one way or another, this is going to come to his doorstep because let's not forget his wife is Indian who is considered a pagan by a lot of these people. She's also pregnant with their fourth child right now. And the Fentesas of the world and others have already mocked her for her faith and her skin color and everything else. So, if he thinks he can just let it, it's just the Jews. We'll just let it be with the Jews. No, we've already seen them come after you for your wife. So, he'll have to address it. And and my hope will be that he won't let us down. And and that is kind of what my suspicion is when the time is right. >> Yeah. I mean, who knows? I mean, you know, he's offered quite a bit of cover and praise and legitimacy to people like Tucker and others even after that Nick Fuentes completely unchallenging interview. Uh it's for me it's hard to know what's really in his heart, but I feel for someone that's going to be present the United States, leader of the free world, we need someone who's exactly as you say, is not trying to pander for political expediency. But I guess that's maybe something for the future to look at. Um, now I just want to speak more broadly about American Israel relations because obviously that's something that's being discussed. Obviously, Israel's waking up to the fact that, you know, few years from now, you could have a very different president in both from both political parties. There's a shift of uh tide. So, what is your view on the the the future of American Israel relations? And presumably, you welcomed Netanyahu's recent decision to wean itself off American aid. Oh, I I did, you know, I was in Israel less than a year ago, maybe 10 months ago, and I did a couple live events, and a few people during the Q&As's asked about that sort of idea, like what what is the future of the American Israeli relationship and all those things. And several times I said, you know, basically, look, we have one party that's gone completely insane when it comes to Israel, which obviously is the Democrat party. Let's not forget, I mean, Camala Harris was pretending she studied the maps of Rafa. that woman wouldn't be able to study the maps of Los Angeles if her and you know for for her life. Meanwhile, they ignored uh what Vice President Camala wanted them to do and they went into Rafa and that's where they killed Sinoir. So, you know, look, all relationships, all friendships, there's going to be moments that are great. There's going to be moments that there's tension. There's going to be things that we don't all see. I would say in terms of ethos and um and western values, the American Israeli alliance in in reality should exist forever and everything else. I would say it's it's it is better for Israel to be dependent on itself solely. um ultimately because that's best for every nation because when you're fully dependent just on yourself, then you can enter relationships with people that are equal that that aren't there aren't strings attached and everything else. So, for example, when when BB said, "Hey, 10 years, you know, we're going to try to get off American aid altogether." You know, the military aid, which by the way, the military aid, everyone thinks that we're just giving Israel military aid. That's not really how it works. We give we in essence give them money which they have to spend in the United States. And who who did that? That was Barack Obama that decided to do that. So, in a weird way, the United States has a vested interest in keeping Israel at war because if they're going to need more weapons because they're constantly at war. So, there's a complete asymmetry here, right? So, getting off that absolutely uh would be good. And ironically, when Donald Trump heard that BB said that, he was like, "Well, wait a minute. We sell you a lot of those weapons, so it is good for our industries." So, that's again why you want I think Israel has to just make their own munitions. I also think, you know, after everything that's happened post October 7th, you know, Hezbollah largely being destroyed, Hamas largely being incapacitated, hopefully we get some decent thing happening in Gaza. You know, the the Gulf States realizing Israel is not going anywhere. Okay, the Houthies are a little out of control and occasionally can shoot a rocket. You know, the Iranian regime may fall any moment, but even if they don't, Israel took their airspace in 11 days. Like, their enemies are largely destroyed. So, look, they they need they need the Jews so they can always blame the Jews for all of their internal problems. But man, if you guys would just if you guys would just get over it, sign a cold peace deal with them like Jordan and Egypt. I mean, Jordan, which gets a ton of water now from Israel, they need water in the Middle East, or just have a freaking ice cold peace like you have with Egypt, where there's basically no relations. >> The Jews aren't coming for you. They're they're not they're not trying to take another inch of land or anything else. And more broadly, I would just say none of these countries or these people give a flying f about the Palestinians. They all closed their doors to them. Egypt could have opened up Egypt could have opened up Sinai where basically no one lives. Every single Gazin could have gone there on October 8th. Nobody took any of them. They don't they don't care about the Palestinians. They just hate the Jews. 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It also sounds like some of the Iranian leadership has already gone to Russia. So if enough of the leaders leave and we do some tactical strikes and the regime kind of fails and they can and hopefully the Persian mostly Persian people can rise up from the ashes of the Islamic regime and then and it would send such a signal to the world like terrorism and and repression of your own people. It just does not work anymore. That's basically outside of some really kind of wilderness places in Africa. It's the last place where this is happening. So if we can if we can do it successfully, it would be an unbelievable win for the West. And I just putting aside what my feelings are about all this, Trump has gone so far with the rhetoric, I don't know how you walk that back and suddenly be like, well, you know, they did kill 30 40,000 of their own people and I did say help is coming, but we we made a deal. Like ju just doesn't really sound like how he's operated, so we'll see. >> Yeah. I mean, he kind of did that a bit with Hamas and said, you know, no more drips and drabs. They've got to all come out now and that, but I guess in the end, he did get them to negotiate into him in the end, right? So, I think I think you're right about that. >> And that's and that's what he does, right? So, it doesn't mean you're going to get everything you want on day one and you know, this is what he does with negotiations. It's this big thing and then a series of pullbacks and everything else. So, is it possible there are some negotiations going on right now? Sure. But, you know, we've negotiated with the Mullers for years and years and years and it's why why should we trust them? and they might think, well, why should we trust the Americans? The difference is Donald Trump does what he's going to say, unlike say Obama or Biden. So, that that's the fundamental uh piece of the puzzle here that I think I just can't see Trump getting out of. >> Yeah. Yeah. Just going back to the woke right for a moment. I do love that term. I don't know if you heard Netanyahu's term. He calls it the woke reich. Um, brilliant. I know. >> But uh Candace Owens, I'm always hesitant to talk about Candace these days because it it it seems clear to me as confirmed by Jeremy Boring that she is intentionally saying all this stuff in order to garner as much attention. It's very cynical. But at the same time, I feel like we still need to talk about it because when I look at the amount of traction she gets online, a lot of people are being influenced by her and therefore we do need to to to call her out. and you've done this and one of the posts that drew a lot of attention recently was uh this uh tweet you wrote where you basically said that Candace Erns back in even in 2022 uh said that she really disliked Charlie. Now we know that she from what I uh understand was not at Charlie's wedding. You know, that's quite surprising given how close they supposedly were. And this kind of caricature she's trying to give like she is Charlie's warrior fighting for the truth. um while uh you know he's no longer here on Earth. It's so you know you're basically saying this is not just uh obvious based on the crazy conspiracy theories but from actual prior knowledge that you have. Do you mind just first of all elaborating on on this a little bit and uh h when you know you you've kind of had a lot of contact communication with Candace. When did it start to become clear to you that she was going down this path or was was this always the kind of the path she was on? >> Sure. So, as it pertains to that tweet, yeah, you know, look, I that's just from a couple weeks ago. I I had been sitting on that for the last couple months because I've really tried not to make it personal and go after her that way. And there's been little hits here and there or she'll she does talk about me quite a bit on her show. I I just don't feel like giving her what she wants, which is more attention. For some reason, that morning, I don't know exactly what it was. I was just like, you know what? this this last thing that's been sitting in my head that I know to be true that her and her husband came over for dinner that night. We had that chicken parmesan that she would always request we make for her. And for an hour she was ranting and raving about how awful Charlie is and he's a sellout and he doesn't believe anything and then as I pointed out in the tweet she also went after Jared Ivanka who we had just had dinner with who were the most lovely people imaginable. I mean like like just beyond imagination decent human beings. And that's why it so stuck out in my head. I was like, "Wow, it's kind of surprising she's going after Charlie the way she is." And also now you're going after two people I just had dinner with who couldn't possibly be nicer. It just Anyway, so having, you know, one of the things that happens when you're in this game is you know these people privately and then you see the difference in what they're doing publicly and then, you know, do you want to be just constantly fighting with everybody and everything else? I try not. I do try my best to stay above it and I'm sure I fail at that sometimes. Um, so I would put that part of it there. I just put it out there. It is what it is. I I assure you it's the truth and people can, you know, check my track record of of telling people what I believe to be true. And that's that. Um, as for when I thought it was kind of going off the rails with her, um, look, I love having political disagreements with people. I have plenty of friends that I have political disagreements with. I love that. I would much prefer to sit at a table over dinner and debate something with people, which I do all the time, um, rather than just all agree with each other. Basically, our relationship ended um maybe a few weeks or a month after October 7th. I sent her a couple maybe it was even before that actually. No, I think it No, no, it was it was right after October 7th. I sent her a couple texts, two or three texts just saying, "Hey, I think you're kind of missing this or if you want to talk about it a little bit more or something like that." And she basically she basically just kind of blew me off and and then that was it. And you know, I didn't get into this for friends. I had friends before I got into this. I'll have friends after. Um, and I think the best thing we can do, I I do think you're right, um, that, you know, she's saying a lot of noxious things and lies do spread and for whatever reason, the algorithm really kind of loves her right now, but, you know, the truth finds a way. The truth finds a way and, you know, the people that have attached themselves to her in this mess, like Megan Kelly, I think they'll really regret it. >> Do you think we should still keep talking about like I don't always have a sense of how many people she's really influencing, how much of a voice she still has in mainstream, you know, conversation? I you know I think everybody plays a different role. So for me I don't I'm I'm happy to have this conversation with you but I I don't feel the need when I do my show every morning to to look and see what she said even if it was about me the night before. I think other people can do it a little bit differently. You know we all play a role in the grand battle of ideas. I suppose and you know I think it's great when some of these uh content guys on Twitter when they just show her saying one thing and then the complete opposite or they show the lie or they show the confusion or whatever. I think that's great. But I don't think we all have to do it all the time. And I, you know, the other the other thing is a lot of these guys on the right now that are constantly attacking people on the right, they want the reaction because then the algorithm feeds it. So you have to be careful of giving people what they want. I I really trust that, you know, somehow truth finds a way. >> Somehow goodness does win over time and and somehow the bad guys do lose. I don't know if that's all baked into what the fabric of reality is or I'm sure there's some religious parable to that or something like that. Um, but I I would have a little faith in that and let these guys let their wheels spin. >> Absolutely. I mean, that is, you know, think about the the Jewish festival coming up literally in a few weeks. Purim, the big message of Purim is, you know, you have this evil Persian tyrant, how fitting, that wants to wipe out all the Jews. How fitting, uh, 2,000 years ago. And uh in the end all his plans uh end up not only failing but he ends up creating the gallows to hang the the leader of the Jews and it ends up he ends up hanging himself on it. And the one of the big messages from that is that in the end evil always destroys itself. And so >> listen if we can if we can survive Aklash Vos and uh and you know the uh prince of Egypt and everybody else I think we're going to be okay with a collection of people on Twitter. Absolutely. Well, that was gonna be my last question for you, Dave. You know, uh, given your your Jewish background and identity, and I remember hearing that you you spoke of writ, right? I remember all those eight years ago. That was one of the first things, uh, you showed us. Um, especially with October 7th, uh, and many Jewish people feel obviously much more aware of their Jewishness. Has your relation relationship with your Judaism and Jewish identity evolved, uh, at all over the past few years? >> Yeah, you know, I've talked about this a little bit. I I think um well first off I I agree with the premise which is that that mo you know from an American perspective most Jews are just secular they're just secular kind of like oh I watch Seinfeld I have a bagel I understand a little bit of the history I sit at a Passover seder or something like that and and I think that in some sense when when western societyy's working I think that can kind of work and that and that's why the history of of Jews in America is pretty good because when the h because when things are working you know we've had 250 years basically of America working pretty well. You know, it's dipped and at times it's been unfair to certain people and everything else, but it's worked pretty well. And when societies are are going pretty well, it's pretty good for the Jews. Now, of course, what happens in the midst of that is when things are going pretty good, people forget about some of the the ancient stuff. They forget about the the old history. They forget what they maybe their grandparents went through or their great-grandparents went through or we could do a couple year couple thousand years of this, right? Um, so I think that's largely happened to a lot of, you know, basically everybody that's not kind of orthodox. I think that's sort of that has happened. I would say, you know, particularly since October 7th, I have a I have a very very deep um connection to Israel, but I would but it's completely congruent with everything else that I believe about Western values and America and everything else. I don't when I've been to Israel, I don't go there and be like, "My god, look what's going on here. It's so at odds with everything else I believe." No, it's an affirmation of everything else that I believe. Actually, that's why the lies about Israel are just so endlessly um so endlessly infuriating because it's just everything is just the 180 opposite of what reality is. They'll tell you Israel is an aparttheid state. It's the only place in the Middle East that isn't a parttheid. You know what I mean? There are Muslim roads in Saudi Arabia that Tucker Carlson seems to love. Meanwhile, every sign in Israel is in Arabic as well as English and in Hebrew. Uh but then on the religious side, I would just say, you know, we also have twin three-year-olds and you know, one when you become a father, I think you start thinking about things a little bit differently and thinking about what traditions and history you're going to pass down on uh down to them. Um so I think that's reignited some of those beliefs as well. And uh you know, I would say I'm I'm on a on a journey that that most people are on. They don't talk about it that often, but it's there. >> Well, your journey's been pretty remarkable. And as I said, it's so clear clear uh from your journey that you're someone that is seeking truth and just so so grateful for your voice, Dave, and for your time. Lastly, um is there anything that you're working on that you'd like to share with our audience? Something a few any future projects or things that we should be aware of? Well, we've got we're always cooking up something here and I have an I have an incredible team of people that I always say like let's just always be on the forefront of all of the cool things that are happening whether whether it's AI and or just any new way you know any new avenue that is a way of getting content out. So that kind of always that stuff always exists. But I'm I'm you know I'm really proud that you know it's 13 years of doing this show where now I meet young kids that are like man I was watching you when I was in high school and they're in their mid20s now and that the show is bigger than it's ever been and and we're just you know I'm trying to do something that's true and real and hopefully little bit funny at some point during the hour that we do it and and if you just keep building well if you build it they will come and they've come so far and I look forward to them continuing to come. That's a very odd ending to this. [laughter] >> Well I have no Well, Dave, I have no doubt that uh the channel will continue to grow and uh thank you so much for your time. It's so greatly appreciated. >> It was my pleasure. >> If you just hold on for a moment, there's something big I wanted to flag with you. We talk a lot about the forces lined up against Israel today. But there's one power, one massively influential player that almost never gets spoken about openly. A state that smiles at the West while quietly empowering Israel's enemies. It's a story that's been hiding in plain sight until now. Have a watch of the trailer for our new JTV Plus documentary called Qatar: The Great Deceiver. And you can watch it in full now by clicking the link below in the video description. Qatar, a gleaming nation on the Arabian Peninsula. All glass towers and goldplated excess. Where the super rich jet in for the art fairs and World Cups, where Western universities open campuses and diplomats toast to partnership. But look closer at the glittering mirage, and the shimmer reveals something sinister. For two decades, this tiny state has been executing the greatest con in modern geopolitics, convincing the world it's a bridge between civilizations while secretly bankrolling the arsonists on both sides. The name Qatar should make Western leaders shudder. Instead, they shake hands with its amirs, park fighter jets on its soil, and call [music] it an ally. On October 7th, 2023, the mosque slipped as 1,200 souls were slaughtered in Israel in a symphony of savagery orchestrated by Hamas. The world saw where the terrorist leaders lived, not in tunnels beneath [music] Gaza, but in luxury villas in Doha under Qatar's protection. And as the bodies were being counted, Qatar's leaders didn't condemn the massacre. They called for restraint. This is the untold story of the Gulf's master deceiver. How a nation smaller than Connecticut is playing the West for fools. As you are watching this, billions are flowing from Doha into extremist networks while Western elites cash Qatari checks and sing its praises. In this JTV Plus documentary, we follow the money, we expose the double game, and we ask the question that should haunt every Western capital. How are we letting them get away with it? 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