Due Dissidence Hosts Question Whether Charlie Kirk's Killing Ties to His Break With Israel Allies
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Due Dissidence Hosts Question Whether Charlie Kirk's Killing Ties to His Break With Israel Allies
The hosts of the Due Dissidence podcast, including co-host Katie, lay out why they doubt the official story behind Charlie Kirk's assassination, from the leaked text messages nobody seems to believe to unanswered questions about the Trump shooting in Butler and 9/11 witness George Zinn's arrest. They connect Kirk's death to reporting from Max Blumenthal on his tense falling out with prominent pro-Israel figures like Bill Ackman, an invitation to Jerusalem from Netanyahu that Kirk turned down, and his decision to platform Israel-critical voices like Tucker Carlson and Dave Smith at Turning Point USA events. Whether or not that falling out had anything to do with his death, the hosts argue it exposes just how manufactured pro-Israel sentiment is within the conservative movement.
Asked directly who killed Charlie Kirk and what his connection to Israel might be, the hosts of the Due Dissidence podcast reveal they've hired a private investigator to look into the case themselves. One host describes having grown more skeptical of official narratives over time, saying he no longer believes the Trump shooting in Butler, Pennsylvania was what it was presented as, and that he doesn't think Kirk's case is being presented convincingly either.
Echoes of MK Ultra and the Manson Family
To explain his skepticism, the host brings up a past interview the show did with the author of Chaos, a book about the Manson murders that explores the theory that the Manson family may have been connected to a CIA mind-control program. He recounts a chilling detail from that interview: when asked whether the Manson family was a CIA experiment gone wrong, an informant reportedly said it was actually an experiment gone right. According to the host, the author uncovered records, including notes from the psychologist who ran the program, referred to in the conversation as Gottlieb, allegedly showing that experiments in implanting and erasing memory had succeeded, and that unusual incidents occurred on army bases where he had been stationed. The host stresses that the author was careful and evidence-based, not someone making unsupported claims.
Doubts About the Butler Shooting and George Zinn
The hosts argue that even if a shooter was present and fired shots in these kinds of cases, the broader circumstances don't add up. They point to reports that the shooter at the Trump rally in Butler had appeared in a Black Rock commercial, calling the odds of that coincidence suspicious. They also bring up George Zinn, a 9/11 witness who was present at the Kirk shooting and was reportedly arrested the same day on charges related to files found on his computer, though the hosts say they haven't had time to dig into that story fully.
The Leaked Text Messages Nobody Believes
The conversation turns to newly released text messages the FBI says were exchanged between the alleged shooter and his partner. One host reads a portion aloud, including lines about wishing he had grabbed the gun sooner, worrying what his father would think about not bringing back his grandfather's rifle, and hiding the weapon in a bush after changing outfits. The hosts say the phrasing feels stilted and designed to be read as evidence, joking that no one refers to their car as a vehicle in a text message to a partner. They note that commentators across the political spectrum, including Steve Bannon and Matt Walsh, have publicly said they don't buy the texts either.
Charlie Kirk's Falling Out With Pro-Israel Figures
The hosts cite reporting from journalist Max Blumenthal detailing Kirk's deteriorating relationship with several influential pro-Israel figures in the months before his death. They say Kirk had been invited to Jerusalem by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu but turned the invitation down just weeks before he was killed. According to the hosts, prominent pro-Israel figures, including hedge fund manager Bill Ackman, grew increasingly nervous as Kirk began asking questions about Israel and started platforming more Israel-critical voices at Turning Point USA's large conferences, including Tucker Carlson, who used the platform to criticize both Israel and Ackman directly, and a moderated debate between a Zionist commentator and Israel critic Dave Smith.
Turning Point USA's Political Machine
The hosts argue that Kirk's influence went far beyond typical online MAGA commentators. At 31 years old, they say, Kirk had built Turning Point USA into a genuine political operation with chapters at roughly 3,500 college campuses, giving him a ready-made ground game that could have powered a future presidential run. That scale of influence, they argue, is exactly why his growing willingness to question the conservative movement's alignment with Israel mattered so much to the people around him.
The Last Interview: Questioning the Media on Israel
The hosts point to Kirk's final interview, a conversation with Ben Shapiro, as evidence of where his thinking was heading. In the clip, Kirk asks Shapiro whether the media, which he says has misled the public on COVID, lockdowns, Ukraine, and the border, might also be misrepresenting the truth about Israel, and presses him on how to respond to accusations of ethnic cleansing leveled against the Israeli government.
What This Reveals About Manufactured Support for Israel
The hosts close by saying that regardless of whether Israel or anyone connected to it had anything to do with Kirk's murder, his falling out with major pro-Israel donors and commentators is still worth scrutinizing. They argue it exposes how manufactured, rather than organic, support for Israel is within the conservative movement, pointing to Kirk reportedly being lectured by Ackman and confronted by a woman in the Hamptons who later appeared alongside Piers Morgan, after which Kirk discussed the encounter with Megyn Kelly. The hosts say the timeline, the Ackman dispute in early August and the declined Netanyahu invitation just two weeks before the shooting, looks bad on its face, and argue that whatever the outcome of the investigation, it reveals that younger conservatives are far less reflexively pro-Israel than outside money, pressure, and influence make them appear.
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