Erika Kirk Reveals How Biblical Submission Transformed Her Marriage and Ministry with Charlie Kirk

oh my goodness ladies and gentlemen we have got the most incredible broadcast ready for you listen i have been looking forward to this one for a long time so let's get down to the brass tacks of what we're dealing with first and foremost i need you guys to do me a favor i need you to do what i am doing right now i need you to get on facebook live if you are watching on facebook live you're already there right and i need you to let everybody know that we are here basically the way you do it is you find us well you're already there if you're watching us on facebook you're watching us i don't have to tell you to find us anyway you go there and you basically share this thing you can do uh what do they call it a watch party you can do a watching party or you could just do what i'm about to do right now and hit the share button that's what i'm doing and then as well for those of you that are on youtube you want to take the link to the stream and you want to send that out to your friends to your family members it is a complete and total blessing i think it's going to really bless them make sure you also hit the like button that is a very very important thing to do because here's how the youtube algorithm works if i've got 300 people watching and 300 people hit the like button it's going to push it out to everybody in their mama right now there's only one person that hits the like button and there's a thousand people watching youtube's gonna go oh no this ain't no good people don't like this and they're gonna let it hide so we wanna get this out and uh for those of you who do not know who the lovely erica kirk is i'm gonna bring her on in just a second she's live with me in the studio i'm gonna talk about her uh embarrass her a little bit because i think that's gonna be fun and worthwhile but for those of you that are already giving on a super chat and super stickers god bless you chad you're amazing i'm going to read uh wow what a blessing you guys are you know what i'm going to wait until later to address all the super chats i'll answer your questions and your comments we're going to do our best we will have a small brief q a so get ready some questions but if you don't know who erica kirk is she is the amazing and lovely wife of charlie kirk and uh i am super blessed to have her in studio i'm gonna switch over the camera angle because i'm glad you are here erica god bless you i'm so glad you're here in the studio thank you i'm pumped to be here pumped to be here it is it's a total blessing so erica i kind of wanted to start things off by just simply telling everybody how much i absolutely love you i seriously i really do think i said this before you got married to charlie i said that as soon as you guys got married charlie's ministry would just expand beyond anything we could imagine your ministry would and it has and listen i cannot wait to talk about the the two primary ministries that you uh handle outside of the primary ministry of being that loving helper to your husband and standing by his side but man i listen i want people to know a little bit about you so why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself and a little bit about your story i think that would be a really good thing and then we'll we'll move on to some of the other stuff for sure so i am blessed and honored to be married to charlie kirk he is i'm just going to move these headphones yeah yeah real quick yep however you want him okay sorry about that very uncomfortable sorry about that you're fine it's my sumo no i'm very blessed to be married to my best friend charlie kirk he's everything to me a quick sparknotes version of who i am in my background i am from scottsdale arizona i played basketball in college i started my own christian clothing line i have a non-profit i get to travel all over the world with my husband we get to link arms on some things as well but yeah i've just been a strong believer my whole life i don't know anything else other than my love for my lord and savior jesus christ and just doing life with my best friend i listen i love that i i think it's amazing and um tell us a little bit about that how did you come to a relationship with the lord this is this is great stuff i want you guys to hear this story it's an amazing story actually right so i was i was raised catholic actually my mom a single mom and uh beautiful woman by the way sorry not to interrupt i love that woman she's incredible i love her she's actually the reason why i ended up getting my juris master in american legal studies because she just always pushed she told me the greatest gift i can ever give you is a solid education and that really stuck with me and just growing up she always made sure that we were i was actually telling someone the story the other day i never went off to when you go when you get into church and you're like oh your kids go over here and you go to bible class and then your parents go and sit and the pews i always sat with my mom in the pews it was never i didn't go off away i just always sat with her and she always taught me the importance of praying she taught me the importance of reading the bible and it wasn't until i would say after miss usa that things really for me were put on put on blast of of do you really live eat breathe and sleep of the gospel and i wasn't willing to compromise any of that and so when i went to miss usa to compete and afterwards i just said i don't want this world i don't want anything to do with it i i want to i want to do whatever god you need me to do in order to fulfill the calling that you have in my life and my mom was always there always there for me and yeah i just it was one of those things where i can't imagine living life and doing the things that i've done without without jesus i love that i i think it's an incredible testimony of god's grace and there's a lot of young women that can learn from you as a model as an example right you really are a true model to them you're somebody who definitely demonstrates what it means to actually uh live the life that god has called you to live as a young woman someone who's seeking the lord and and and doing those things and it's pretty amazing because you do several different ministries they're very important ministries i want to talk about your clothing line first and and honestly um i say the best for last because the other ministry we're going to talk about has been used to even transform the lives of women in our church so we're going to talk about that but the clothing line let's talk about your clothing line because it's not just a clothing line no it's for a lot of reasons right namely how the clothes are manufactured um the way that the business is ran and then the purpose of it right let's talk about that right so first and foremost it's called proclaim streetwear and it's based off of two bible verses that are very close to my heart usually i give the the shorter version but i it's i think it's really important to give the full version here it isaiah 61 was something that was placed on my heart when i first moved to manhattan and i had no idea why i moved to manhattan with one suitcase one-way ticket my mom was mortified she said what are you gonna do in manhattan i said i will figure it out when i get there but i know that god is calling me to go to manhattan and so i held that with me for several months and then my grandfather he was everything to me he fought in world war ii got the silver star he also got the bronze star unbelievable man of god unbelievable warrior uh and he just was so important to me in my life and so unfortunately when he passed away my uh i just was devastated and my form of coping was going through every single bible verse that fell in alignment with he passed away at 3 11 p.m so my coping was going through every single verse chapter and verse of 311. i did not know this this is every single one and then i finally came across luke 311 and it talks about how if you have two shirts give one away to someone in need likewise with food and and stuff like so i held out in my heart i got back to manhattan i was coming back on the subway and i saw this homeless person and in new york it's very different homeless situation than it is let's say in scottsdale arizona where you have panhandlers underneath the freeway like if you're homeless in manhattan you are homeless in manhattan and so i was walking by this woman on the streets freezing during the winter season she had a t-shirt on and jeans and was frigid and so it really hit me these two verses coming together proclaiming the year of the lord's favor and i and luke 3 11 and so proclaimed streetwear was born and from that i was there was two things i wasn't going to compromise on one being unapologetically christian and having the brand never never bowing to anything else other than jesus christ and the other one is that everything's made in the usa it's not just a brand where we grab a blank t-shirt pull the tag off put our own tag on and call it ours we literally have created jobs in la and new york and manufacturing companies that have literally made these clothing cut and sew all made in usa and the coolest part about it when those clothes are being manufactured is that the seamstress and maybe the person who is pulling together all the garments at the end and sending them off to me they get to read the isaiah 61 bible verse that's sewn in on the sleeve of the clothing so even though they might not be a believer they're still being exposed to the gospel in a very unconventional way through a piece of clothing but my favorite part out of all of this is where luke 3 11 comes into play if you buy a t-shirt if you buy a sweatshirt we have other stuff on there as well from joggers to a backpack and all that but when you buy an item of clothing you are given the option of giving the second item away you're given a second t-shirt or a second sweatshirt and it's up to you to go into your community to be able to give that item away to someone in need so let's say you see someone on the streets who's freezing during the winter seasons and you have an extra sweatshirt and instead of you giving them money you have a minute to just sit with them and or even as you're driving by you hand them that piece you that sweatshirt and you are able to exchange dialogue with them and it's really cool because it it makes it to where the gift is very purposeful because the way you guys package the gift um it's it's packaged as though it was the item was purchased for them which it was it's not like hey here's a shirt right that is kind of left over that's been hanging in my closet yeah and it's unmarked it's brand new but it's unmarked because i learned in manhattan that a lot of people who are in need that are on the streets get in fights with each other if they have if they notice that someone has something brand new or a massive logo on it so it's all unmarked and it's some it's it's literally a moment where you can pause and you can let someone know you know what you're important enough for me to spend a few minutes to share maybe the gospel or just hear what's on your heart and here's a piece of clothing to keep you warm in between so it's it's really cool to be able to know that you're making a difference in your community rather than putting the corporate responsibility back onto us to do it and we do it as well i mean if let's say you say no i don't want to pass it out our team goes out and we pass them out on behalf of people every quarter right and it is really it really is a great ministry the very first time i saw that i said i thought wow that is great and i don't ever promote anybody's clothing lines i don't i really don't um as a matter of fact i i don't i get requests all the time for that kind of thing to happen hey james will you there's a lot of people on your uh youtube or instagram or any of that kind of a thing and um and i just don't do it uh but i felt compelled the first time i saw that happening to to really put that out there because it really is special okay we got a lot of people already asking this question how can they get to the website how can they order stuff oh that's awesome they're already asking that my producers he's gone my moderators proclaim streetwear.com and it's yeah proclaim streetwear all together and on there you'll see we have men's women's and then we have a drop every month and uh it's a new item each time and it's exciting we have all new stuff coming out right now we have the worthy capsule that's yeah yeah i love our website it's so cool but we're very intentional every every person that works for us is a christian every person who models for us as a christian every person who touches any point of our company is a christian unapologetically and they were never cutting corners on that made in the usa unapologetically christian and and they and they do not apologize for any of that it's really awesome if you go to the who we are section i remember seeing this before they literally talk about it they talk about their vision they talk about the story how everything all worked out and the videos of us passing stuff out with our team too yeah you can see that street team it is it is really amazing and it's great to see how the lord has really just done a great work through that ministry lots of lives being changed i just think it's a powerful witness and i'm one of these people that looks at something like that and i say you know there's really something to believe in there that that is really really special and i know for me it's just very encouraging to see god using you in that way and you know it's kind of one of the things that i had kind of felt the very first time that i had the privilege to meet you i just said man this girl is the real deal she is down to earth she's smart and she gets it you know and i just i it's i was very impressed by that and i've been encouraged for a long time by your ministry and always feel uh obligated by the lord to support you in that way because it really does mean something very special let's talk about the other one because this one is also huge you've been able to do something with people that a lot of people have not been able to do you've been able to put a thirst and a hunger in young people's hearts especially for the word of god and not just women i think it was maybe intended to be for women initially i mean it's it's popular yeah it's really popular so talk about that okay so about four years ago we started bible in 365 and this ministry is so close to my heart because there is nothing more powerful than being able to read the bible cover to cover i will never forget the first time i did that and not just like skim through it but like just marinate in it and and read read commentary on certain verses or like digging further into the greek version or just like really really sitting in scripture meditating and marinating with it and and so that was something that i thought to myself wow how many lives could be changed if they don't just regurgitate certain verses they hear and there but actually just dig into the word of god and and then i thought to myself can you imagine if with everything that's going on in this world if they if they took away all of our bibles would we be able to memorize not just verses or just like a few verses here and there but chapters chapters books would you be able to memorize even where commas are yeah like being so intentional so for me i was like you know what we're going to take this a step further because i did so much research seeing and i tried them too i tried the the bible app where you do you get the little check mark or the badge or you know going through different websites where they send you you know your reading for that day and for me there there was always something missing and it was and then i realized it was two things community and uh accountability so let's talk about both of those right because there is a real true to life social component mm-hmm to this can you explain that a lot so when you sign up for bible in 365 you are given an email every single day with the readings we go through the old testament new testament psalms and proverbs we switch off each day and not only do you get an email but we take it a step further and i send you a text message personally i text you personally every single day some words of encouragement the readings for the day and then we also have a prayer warrior team where we send in prayer requests and we also hear the praise reports of everyone in our bible in 365 community and that phone number literally it goes to my cells so if people even if it's 2 a.m i have some young men and women we have thousands of people around the country that are on even in canada we have a ton of canadians ironically enough on the app but they uh they text me and they'll send me their prayer requests and we're just it's an amazing community it's amazing and if people can't find churches i can't tell you how many times we've recommended your church to people in the community people who are trying to be able to connect with one another especially with all the crazy times we're in so it's really cool to be able to have that community and accountability all within one so i was amazed i got to tell you this i i was amazed the other day because one of the girls in our church and i'm not kidding it's not an exaggeration she tells me she says james i need you to ask erica a question it's very important to me i said what so i think i already know the answer but i just can't believe it actually happened so what are you talking about she says well we get these texts and i really think they're directly from her she's got thousands of people that are doing this how in the world does she do that like how in the world does that take place i'm telling you it this was not some a.i response i didn't get it it was actually her yeah and so you know i mean you under you have to understand this their minds are blown by that yeah right you're taking after your husband and that you also answer he answers thousands of emails every day if you don't believe me guys he really does and there's a story i can tell you to prove that but but but he does go through all those it's crazy every single day it's i don't even know how he does it but um tell us how that works i mean is it is that i mean are you you just glued to your phone all the time or or what right so i'll i usually go through them i time block my day so intentionally and in depth so from like 10 to about noon i'll go through all of the responses questions text messages emails i have a team that helps with the emails as well and then uh in the afternoon i'll check in with it again with texting him back on my phone it goes literally directly to my phone uh but yeah no we i don't cut corners with that if someone wants to that to me i view is it's it absolutely is ministry being there for people being able to use technology in a good way rather than and people were like why don't you do a facebook group why don't you do an instagram group why don't we all and i was like no because those things are so distracting that's not what this is about this is about being able to stay in the word focused and and really just digging into god's word and not being distracted by the outside likes comments follows and all that stuff well and i think it's pretty amazing because people really feel uh i mean they're convinced that you care about them because you do i mean but but it's amazing how much it can change their life i mean how much and by the way uh just so that you know this girl that's talking about that has been so encouraged by you throughout the time that all of this has been going on and these are the people that are they are they're stepping out this particular girl was one of the ones that just addressed the long beach unified school board just went out there and solid loves the lord sweet girl educated just like you um just a she's an amazing woman of god and i i just think it's amazing i think it's really funny but i think that that has an effect on people and people know they're loved when they know they're cared for when there's that kind of ministry going on they tend to act in a way where they pass it forward right and it's a it's a really cool thing yeah it's something that i've come to really appreciate it's fun yeah it's a great minute because you get to learn about people you can you you get to stay in contact with what people are really struggling with like getting able to hear what's really going on in let's say oregon or texas or backwoods of louisiana i mean we have every single state accounted for and to be able to connect people to start going to churches that are open to be able to hear different pastors that you know they need to be exposed to so right no it's absolutely true yeah it's absolutely true and i will tell you by the way i had to change the camera angle because young mikey needed to exit i'm embarrassing him i wish i could have got that on video i love mikey mccoy he is so awesome anyway so um so let's talk about this too because this is also something i'm very proud of and i'm i'm very thankful to the lord because you really truly are a good example in this area let's talk a little bit about your marriage because i think i think it's really important i want other women to hear this um how has married life been and let's talk about your role as a wife because i really think that charlie is a better man as a result of you i think that turning point usa has grown as a result of you i think that um so much of what charlie is and does now is really the result of an amazing woman that has come by his side to love him minister to him be a help to him and watch him be everything that god has called him to be i'd really like to hear about that yeah absolutely i i am so proud of him i am so humbled by the way that god uses him it's it's it's unbelievable and i it's there's something beautiful about becoming a wife and i and i don't mean it in the cliche way of you know a new season of life and all that i mean it from the covenant that you're making with god and how beautiful it is to be able to fulfill and have the roles of a husband and wife be fulfilled in a biblical way where again and we were talking about this off air how there is no superior inferior in the body of christ there isn't and so some some women believe oh well you know if i get married and i'm submitting to my husband that i lose my voice and i'm just like then you did not marry wisely because a wise man will listen to a proverbs 31 wise woman and and i truly believe that when you as a wife fall under alignment of of love and respect for your husband and and you fulfill your role as a wife it helps fulfill your husband's role to be the man that god has called him to be and to be able to lead your family to be able to further the kingdom and it's just been an absolute humbling experience to to just live it all out i know we're three months in i get that but it i i just think we're so we're very solid we're very solid we're very obedient to to things that a lot of people usually aren't um and very intentional with stuff well you say i know it's three months but let me just say this statistically speaking when two people come together in marriage and they have not prepared themselves for what they're about to enter typically by the third month they're already going down the road of divorce they know it it's not even a and typically within the first year the divorce has actually taken place but i we can't go on because i'm getting hammered by everybody they want to know how they can get a hold of uh the bible 365. okay so can we talk about that absolutely just go to biblen365.com okay yep so bible in 365.com yep and i will put it up so you guys can see it for just a second so it'll go to my i'm still working on my website name change so also i would tell you erikafronsway.com but it'll take you directly there bibleon365.com and it's on the far right hand side and when you sign up you're able to get an email and it'll tell you uh you fill out the email information you'll get an immediate email back and it'll give you my exact phone number and yeah we'll connect with you from there yep so you guys have it there i'll leave it on uh for just a second so you guys can see that and kind of take it in um but let's go back to um what you were talking about just a second how about we talk about that a little bit more let's leave off or let's pick up where you left off right so the coolest part about being able to our marriage i think the coolest part about it is that we mutually serve each other from the same point of every day he'll say how can i serve you and make your day better i say the same thing but i really think there's something that we both he has strengths in certain ways and i have strengths in certain ways and we just really complement that i'm not trying to be him i'm not trying to run in his lane i have my own lane to run i'm there to be right by his side and he is yeah he's an amazing leader and i and that's something that i tell young women all the time like i said be careful who you marry and if you are engaged or dating someone is that a man that you feel can truly lead you amen so there's i feel very blessed yeah and i think that that's a really really important thing and your ministry truly is significant to him because um you're able to do for him a lot of things that people don't necessarily recognize um me especially uh being close to you guys there's certain things that just always makes me laugh i just think it's really funny like one of the things that charlie charlie never really looks out into the audience to see who's out there but the one thing that he does do is he always looks for you all the time and i love it i totally love it as a matter of fact i've watched him get anxious before we do if i'm not if i'm not sitting in my seat he'll be like he'll be confused he'll like look around he'll be wondering where and then but every time it's really sweet after he makes a certain statement or after he's done speaking he'll like look over and then he'll look back yeah they don't feel nice it's so sweet and every time i'm just smiling i'm like sometimes i'll do the i love you signs sometimes i'll just sit there and just wave sometimes i'll just sit there and wanker nod that's great you know it's funny it's one of the things that i really miss with my wife now us having the children because she has to stay with the baby now so she oftentimes will stay in the back of my office and i always loved her being up front i was just like one of my favorite things and i you know you take that for granted a little bit sometimes you know because right now she has to have the little one but uh it is it's very valuable to the husbands you know especially when there's a good healthy solid marriage relationship you know and that's that's a really really good thing so um you do have a message oftentimes you have a message for young women that are looking to get married and you also have a message to married women about what their role in marriage is uh maybe talk about that a little bit i know you know the the younger woman marriage is and you say it all the time and i'll paraphrase it for you is be wise how you choose right and then obviously you need to do what you're called to do you need to walk in that role so maybe you can elaborate a little bit for sure so even with dating i i think that a lot of girls and young men have a tendency to date just to date or even today in the hookup culture they're on uh they're on tinder or whatever app they're on swiping left or right and i get so frustrated with this and i tell them i'm like why would you put your trust in an algorithm swiping left or right instead of going to your bible turning your pages left and right and trusting in god why would you do that why would you not trust in god so then i have people that are saying well i'm i'm waiting for the one and i'm waiting da da and i'm like okay so what are you doing while you wait and that usually throws them off they're like what do you mean while i wait and it's like why when you are waiting whether that's waiting for the one whether that's saving yourself any of that if you're waiting that is precious time for you and the lord that's precious time and the coolest part about waiting is that you have the opportunity to live a life of service and swim in a stream of significance you can serve while you're waiting you can there are so many different things during the waiting season you can build while you're waiting and when i say build i mean build relationships build something worthwhile in the community but just serve and have a servant's heart because i feel i strongly believe that if you are are living a certain way that's outside of the biblical confines of saving yourself from marriage or like certain things when it comes to marriage if you're living a certain way what makes you think that you will honor and respect the man that god has for you once he actually arrives yeah wow yeah live as the woman that you will be even once after you're married so that you are the same authentic person from beginning to end and it's not this massive transformation it's like no i was groomed for this god has prepared my heart for this and and and just because so many women i feel they're like i'm just sitting and waiting and i know that the lord will bring me my man and i'm just like take it a step further yeah take it a step further amen and i do i do completely agree with you you know it's interesting when i met nicole um i mean literally i mean i knew the lord had called me to marry her but like me nicole had never been in a relationship and one of the things that i always felt like god told me is that was going to be the case that god would bring someone in my life that was very much the same way as me and uh it's just unbelievable that he did it the way he did it and that was the thing that god had told me the lord had told me exactly the counsel that you just gave everybody and that is your commitment doesn't start to your wife the day you walk down the aisle and say i do my commitment started to my wife the day i received the lord in my heart and so part of that commitment is building now what god wants me to build so when that time came and that's exactly what i did you know i i started the church we did all the things that we were doing we grew tremendously we were already on the radio god had really blessed the work of the ministry and um when god brought nicole to me it was the greatest gift that i'd ever received besides the lord i mean it was just incredible and i know for a fact that the same thing could be said for you and charlie absolutely and it's a thing that i think is really also really funny and i'll just make this statement as well is the fact that it almost seemed like with charlie and and maybe i don't want to step out of bounds when i say this but i say it because he's so much like me like in this way he was like me in this in this respect um it was almost like god for the whole time charlie had been alive shut his eyes to the whole idea of wanting to be married or any of that kind of stuff it was just like i'm busy leave me alone i'm busy until he met you i know that was the same thing with nicole i was the same way it was like that i was not interested i struggled more lusting after a piece of steak than i did my own wife you know i mean i was just any women you know right and um and then i met nicole they went forget the steak this girl's beautiful right you know and she really is she's it's amazing she's unbelievable you know and it's and it's so cool because i think that you know if you look at the inside of my wedding ring when nicole bought it she put our sort of our marriage verse down and that's ephesians 3 20 which in essence says that god is giving to us more than anything we could ever imagine or hope for that's kind of the translation that's the way it's translated from the greek language and it's so true that's what god gave me in it and he kind of opened me up to that and i think that you kind of get to that place where you're blind and you really don't or you're not interested in anything when you're just committed to serving right because i mean listen you're a beautiful woman i know for a fact there were tons of guys that would love to just you could date anyone you want all day every day but you weren't thinking about that when all this was going on all you wanted to do was serve the lord and that's a big deal yeah that's a huge deal i think it's a it's really it's look when you look at the story of adam and eve you know the thing about adam and eve i think is pretty amazing because god put adam to sleep adam recognized the fact that he needed a wife he didn't quite know what that looked like he had no clue but then god put him to sleep and in his sleep god provided for him this beautiful woman right and then when they were when he was awakened he recognized that it was the hand of god that put her in his life and things completely changed at that point i think that's kind of what happens to people who are seeking the lord he kind of puts you to sleep over that desire that desire is kind of put away and then when he uh wakes you up that person is there i told that's beautifully said yeah that's exactly what happened with you and charlie that's beautifully said i totally agree it's great so let me ask you this question um how do you deal with uh often times the busyness of life with you guys as a married couple because i know that that's also hard i mean you're you sp it seems like you spend half your life on an airplane right i mean it does and you live out of a suitcase we do how does that work so i again god prepared me for this life i just know it because when i was little i was on airplanes with my mom to london i have always kind of been a modern day nomad from the standpoint of i've lived in china i've lived in puerto rico i've lived in new york l.a like all over the country and i i was okay with that i was okay with having being extremely flexible and being able to know that i needed to go where i was called to go to serve at that time and with charlie we we were laughing about it the other day it's like we're on the road i think it's 350 or 49 days out of the year for this year and it's it's one of those things where if you you know that what you're doing you first of all you love it second of all you know that you're changing and making an impact for not just the kingdom but for also the people that are around you and third you know that this is a season of life that you might not get back again and so it's like if you don't use this window of time and give it all you have then what are you doing and and so many times we get people saying gosh i don't know how you do it i don't know how you stand up for truth i don't know how you do x y and z and to me and i always say with all due respect i do not know how you can't right i don't know how you can't give everything you have sure you don't have to be traveling all the time but but why aren't you going to school boards why aren't you getting involved with xyz why aren't you using your voice for something or proclaiming the gospel and whatever sphere of life you're in uh whether that's in school or you know what have you but but we all play a very specific role and the only way that i can explain this is is that if you were to look at the back of a tapestry and you were to see all these strings hanging in the back and they make no sense you have clumps of orange and red and yellow and green all over the place you turn the tapestry around and everything is so beautifully woven together and and that's each person's everyone has a specific role and a specific place that they need to to live their life out for for this for such a time as this and if you are engaged in in what god has called you to do and you're a part of that tapestry you're the missing piece so how do you not get involved how do you not engage so for us we don't care if we have five hours of sleep a night two hours of sleep of night we know that we're doing everything that we need to do uh to to be able to make a difference in this crazy world we live in yeah and i i'll speak uh to something that's interesting with with me nicole um when nicole and i got married um nicole was just the very hard charging go-getting because i mean this was a woman who she left her job and came home to her job and and then was a very active busy pastor's wife doing all kinds of stuff investing in the church um often times just by the time it got nighttime she's just dead tired not a lot of energy you know all that kind of stuff but what was really interesting is looking back on all nicole having the same attitude that you have right in everything that she did for those first five years of our marriage that was god using every single one of those things that she chose to engage in to prepare her to be the mother that she is right now 100 and she and she is literally the most incredible mother she is i mean she it's amazing god broke the mold after her oh yeah i'm telling you i'm telling you i love you i hustled her i that wasn't all i've heard it's ultimately such a beautiful soul but the two of you together are so cool and i i have to say i really and i i've told this to you many times before but i look up to your guys's marriage so much because the way that you guys love each other and the way that that you lead and the way that she has embraced being a mother is so beautiful and and i'll never forget at our wedding celebration and i sent some of these photos to you oh yeah and the background of some of the photos i see the joy of it was the cutest thing we have like a photo of these four people standing and then in the back back back corner i see pastor james the little one or like nicole with her little it just was so sweet and it's like you guys are incredible you guys yeah we're so thankful and you know it's part of the joy of everything that god's given us you know everything that we have we stop for a minute and um we take some joy in i i want to put something to you really quickly there's somebody in the comments who actually said something and um i just want to prepare you for this it's kind of a a sort of a sad thing that he says um but i i wanna i want you maybe to speak into his life a little bit okay and then we'll go back to talking about some of the things we're talking about he says i'm 48 and my life has been nothing but failed relationships over and over and going through another one now i've lost hope i really believe this current i really believed uh this current failure was sent by god but so they're you know just very downtrodden over all of this right uh charlie actually speaks really well on this topic for men because i feel like there's a certain thing there's certain things that men should do separate than from women to prepare for certain relationships and for marriage and there's certain things that men need to do when it comes to growing in certain areas of life from a female perspective what i would say is see if you are making the same decisions and patterns that you have already lived in so if the women seem to be the same type of women or if you're fi running into women that you met outside of the church or if you're do you do you know what i mean like you're using if you're finding the same patterns within women and it's just failed after fail after failed i think maybe take a step back from dating a little bit and just either find someone to disciple you or pour into you or really be able to just find a find a way to make sure that every single crevice of your heart is is covered by god and in in having him so deep in your heart amen and finding a woman that has god's word so deep in her heart that in order for you to actually even meet her or to know her or to get to know her you have to be so deep in the word in order to even understand her so i feel like i just i feel like i know it sounds so cliche aside i mean praying is so powerful but i think also just getting in the word i think god will make it so clear like hey maybe the reason why i keep having these certain people come into your life is to maybe say it's not a test but like hey are you still going to keep making these same decisions and like the same decisions down the road because it's going to you know where that train goes yeah amen and and i would say the same thing hold a high standard don't compromise don't capitulate to the idea that the first person that gives you attention is a person you uh you need to follow but the big uh counsel that i would give and and it would be exactly what erica said and that is whatever you do be invested in what god has in front of you right now don't be in the middle of the pursuit of the relationships don't do that and then there's another thing that i would say and and this is something that i was going to say regardless and that is when you get a little older you have to understand something that your tolerance for the differences in another person in a living situation or in a close situation can also be very very difficult so whoever it is that you choose to be in a relationship with you need to make sure you're filled with the spirit and making that decision you need to make sure you know that god has called you to so that when you're in that situation where that person is going to be where you're going to be upset or irritated at that person you say no i'm doing it because that's what god's called me to do and that's something that we just don't do a lot right but going back to this let's talk about this because this is kind of a um uh to me it's very close to my heart and it really really is important um when you made the decision that you made to marry charlie and this is this is not a like a cliche question did you have any idea that god would have blessed you guys the way he did in other words not to this extreme yeah yeah because that's i guess that's probably the that where i'm leading to with yeah not to this extreme i knew he would i knew that with the way we were living our life and how obedient we were in certain aspects and how intentional we were i knew that we we would we would have his favor but i didn't know that it would be this unbelievable amount of blessing that's been in front of us and on us and favor on us i can't explain it um it's he over and beyond so i guess i guess the reason why i'm leading into this question is wouldn't you agree to the fact that all of the different detours that maybe you took in your life or maybe some of the detours that charlie took things that didn't make sense at the time all seem to kind of make sense for the time that you're in now absolutely yeah it's it i look at that and i just think how amazing and wondrous is all of this yeah because the things that you thought were painful at the time and the things that you were thought that were amazing at the time they they hold no comparison and i sometimes think that a lot of us hold on to people and seasons in our life that we're not supposed to and so god removes them from us because we won't and he's like if you're not going to let go i'll make you let go yeah and and i think sometimes it can be painful because we're not we don't surrender to the fact that like god whatever is in your jet stream of will i want to stay within that i don't want to go anything that's outside of your will i don't want and i don't want to touch it so we talked about this earlier and i just absolutely love your biblical perspective on this we we talked about the subject of women and submission and submission is a mutual thing i mean look when we talk about this look we as husbands are submitting to god in the way that we love and minister to our wives so that prevents us from being the the you know thumb pressers stop it be quiet i mean that's we don't do that husbands don't do this if a husband is doing that something is wrong your perception of your relationship with god is very very wrong right but it's interesting you talk a lot about submission to husbands or some and and for whatever reason people look at that as almost kind of a curse word i mean absolutely they get mad at you for that kind of a thing right because i i think and you did you brilliant brilliantly explained this the other day when you were talking about there's a huge difference between submission and obedience that's right you did it it was brilliant yeah significant difference so i mean feel free to share with them oh sure yeah so we were erica had uh sent me a text and she was asking me guys for your benefit that are listening she had asked me about the subject of submission there's a particular greek word i'm not going to get into the technicalities of it because it led to a very technical time of research yeah because there were some things that i was kind of forced to dig into that probably no it was good i thought it was good i needed to do that it was good you know it was really good because these are very commonly taught passages and you know i take guys that read original language here's a problem with guys who read we take a lot for granted right we just assume we already know because we've done the research in the past and you forget like there's a lot of things that i have forgotten so i went back and looked at this and this word for submission that we're talking about as it relates to wives submitting to their husbands is a military term but the way it's used in context as a military term is something that's pretty remarkable think of it like this if i go to my little daughter and i tell my daughter honey you need to do this and she doesn't want to do it she has a little rebellious streak in her and i say baby you need to do this and she does it she's being obedient to me she's literally saying i'm doing something i don't want to do but i'm doing it because i have to and i'm being made to do this right but my wife being submissive to me is a completely different picture think of it like if i am somebody who is in the military and this is the military term i am choosing to order myself under the command of the leader in whose ability i trust to lead right so i'm basically choosing to allow myself to be under that authority that i might become better as a result of that capitulation to authority of that willingness to submit so the idea here is kind of like this and here's another example you know we lost kobe bryant a few years ago kind of a sad story about how that happened but here's the thing that kobe bryant the reason why he did what he did so well and why he got to the point that he got was because he chose to find somebody that could take him from the 98 percentile up to the hundred percent that last two percent he needed somebody to teach him how to get to that last two percent so what he chose to do was he chose to take that greek word submit he chose to submit to phil jackson he ordered himself under the authority of a coach that he knew could get that last two percent out of him that he had no idea could be done in the past so when wives are submitting to their husbands they're choosing to lay their authority down or order themselves under that authority knowing that god will enhance who they are as a wife and as a child of god and will also enhance their role in what god has called them to do thus making them better right everything right and and when we when i was talking about this a few days ago i had i had intentionally not put into my message that obviously you're not going to submit to abusive husband right of course of course i i've thought that that was an obvious statement because i even made it a point to say you know you you follow the lead of your husband you follow um in alignment with him as long as it does not lead to sin and to me my salvation and charlie's salvation is the same by grace through faith there is no superior or inferior in the body of christ that's right there is not but when it comes to a woman and we were talking about this in ephesians 22 i believe that the reason why we just were talking about this i believe the reason why that the woman is addressed first as the wife is addressed first with regard to submitting to her husband has nothing to do with obedience from the standpoint of you're a dog and here's your treat and it has nothing to do with that it's that out of love and respect for my husband and i see the way that he is constantly in the word i see the way that he is constantly focused and fixated his eyes on christ and that to me he is i when i married him i married wisely knowing i watched the way that he treated the people around him i watched the way that he handled pressure i watched the way that he loved his mom i watched all these different things because that will bleed into your marriage whether or not you think it will but it does and so for me i i was intentional about marrying mary wisely because i knew that he would never use his power over me in a in a abusive way i knew that going into it so for me i think the reason why women are addressed first in ephesians 22 is because if a woman a wife doesn't properly fulfill her role within the structure the structure of biblical marriage that god has set for us because he's a god of order and there's a reason why there's order to this because it's it it's to protect us it's not to hurt us it's to protect us and if a woman and a wife does not fulfill her role i truly believe that it will it'll impact the husband and the the man from fulfilling the role that god has set for him yeah boy amen and amen you are definitely repeating the the sentiment of the scriptures in the word of god and what's really encouraging about hearing you what you're saying is as long as you maintain that perspective god will enhance and increase all the things that he's intended for you to do because you know um you even have this maybe you can share this story i don't even know i'm just going to say are we even at liberty to share this story about my voice is going to get taken away uh that story that you were telling me about that yeah let's share that sure that's sure there's this there was this woman who uh came up to me after one of my messages and she just said you know i've been a christian my whole life i led my husband to christ that was the first thing that went off in my head i led my husband to christ and i feel that too many christian women are submitting to their husband losing their voice as a as a female losing their opportunity to be able to be fulfilled feel fulfilled in their life and and their voice is completely crumbled and shattered and i asked her i said okay so we talked about marrying wisely i asked her a little bit about her husband and i said so you brought your husband to christ and she said yes he was a muslim and i was like oh there you have it he was a muslim okay so how does the muslim how does the muslim religion view women or sharia law like just and so of course he's even if you do lead him to christ and maybe he's not maybe there's he's not in the word every day or maybe what have you when you when you are in a when your marriage is so focused on god and it truly is what it says in ephesians about your marriage you will not feel like you don't have a voice that's right if anything your husband will listen to you from the standpoint of you have you have a how do i put it you have a str you have you're strong but you're also um you're not trying to rule over your husband you here here's here's the thing that happens you become better at how god intended for you to be yeah you know this is that's right people people look at genesis and they talk about the the curse you go back to the curse and um the curse is basically um in genesis it says something to the effect of and i'm not gonna completely i'm just gonna paraphrase it slightly and there's a reason why i'm doing that where it basically says as part of the curse the woman's will the woman's desire will be for her husband and everybody sort of takes that ass she's always going to want to rule over her husband well that's not quite what the implication is the implication of that passage is very simple it is that god will embed within women the overwhelming desire to see perfection in their husbands in other words a desire to want to see them grow and grow intensely to be the best that they can be and so as part of that desire what women will have the tendency to do is to force upon them these characteristics without allowing god to simply do that work and it will create problems in the marriage by default it's one of those things that that gets talked about so what people don't understand is in a situation where you're married to a man like charlie who by the way is very alpha in the sense that he's strong right he's very opinionated because he knows exactly where he stands and what he wants and so on and so forth you're never going to minister to a guy like charlie by saying charlie you need to do this right it's just and i know that because you'll never do that to me no right i just i had the same personality yeah but the reason why he respects you so much and listens to you and and really seeks to know what your opinion is on all of these things is because you have learned to master the desire that's within you to kind of want to make things happen now and as a result your voice is so valuable to your husband that things have changed so dramatically without having to do any of that i had a friend tell me this a long time ago james the lord will always benefit more from a conversation you have with him about your wife than the conversation you have with your wife at times yeah right and and women that understand that principle see very very fast results which goes back to why you have to marry wise you do you do and and even two i think women have to be careful of this boss babe culture that we're in where it's like you're a boss babe you don't need a man and if you do have a man don't he doesn't need to be the breadwinner you're the bread winner you sell shampoos and oils and everything else in between and you're a female entrepreneur and your instagram grid looks every way it's supposed to and you have followers and mentions and likes and you know you don't who needs a who needs a husband who needs a who needs children they're an inconvenience why would you bring them into the world and it's like this is this is the problem it's like women think that okay now that i have to submit to my husband and i'm married i lose my voice i lose my boss babe mentality i lose my job and they have it completely completely misconstrued and manipulated the most beautiful covenant that you can have and that's the one that you have with your husband and god amen amen well i'm going to put this to you right now okay last words because we're out of time so so any final words but i do want to say this too i do think it's important that we talk about this especially as we're near the end um you guys really take it seriously about how much of your time you give oftentimes on your dollar to ministering to people so that you can not only fight for this country but fight for the things that are right right and so one of the ways that that gets supported and it's a really important way is by continuing to bless people by giving them a free podcast right and i think it's really cool so um maybe we can talk about the charlie kirk podcast i will say this i'm in love with charlie's podcast um i've i've been on it but even more importantly than that way more importantly than that i get educated on a regular basis there's the people that charlie brings on the principles that he brings on i'm always encouraged um it's something for me that is just a real blessing so the charlie kirk show it's really easy um how did they get his podcast so if you they just did this crazy update they i feel like they always update that all the time so it's confusing so you used to say subscribe but now you type into uh apple podcast or whatever your uh your podcast provider is and type in the charlie kirk show it'll pop up you'll see his picture and then when you click the profile click i believe it's the plus sign button it is the plus sign which is now subscribe so you add that and that really helps i think they're number four right now like mikey said is number four in the charts right now uh but yeah he he does an incredible job and his team does too of researching they're not going to just throw stuff up there and and speculate they're not going to go down a dark rabbit hole of conspiracy theories they will give you the truth and they will lay it out for you and he is humble enough to say if he's in an interview or anything like that and someone asks him a question or he interviews someone he's humble enough to say i don't know i need to do more research on that yeah and there's a whole department at turning point that actually does just that all they do is they do the research it's it's amazing i've watched how that happens i've been with charlie when he does the live shows and it's pretty cool to see how his team work with him on all that 100 they do that it's really really beautiful so guys do me a favor i would really like to have some bragging rights okay i'm just saying this just can you can you just satisfy me a little bit right now subscribe to his podcast if you can because i want charlie to send me a text i really do i wanted to send me a text like an hour later or two hours later and go dude thank you so much we just rose up in the i really want that to happen we did by the way we did that first second and third service oh yeah he moved up what is it he moved yes 15 spots or something yeah your church is active and healthy and thriving i love it i love it so i want to do that again i want everybody to know that our youtube listening audience and rumble and all you guys that are out there listening you got to do that you got to go back and you got to subscribe to the charlie kirk podcast i think it's a great one i'm really looking forward to seeing some of the topics i i've been soaring to secrecy but there are some cool topics coming around the corner that everybody's working their tails off on so that's kind of exciting i'm great to see that okay final words anything else anything you have to say to anybody before we uh before we wrap this thing up you know i just feel as if there is a huge spirit of confusion right now in our culture i feel like a lot of people are confused with where to turn who to trust what's going on what's going on with the schools and the kids and the government and just everything in between and i would just really encourage you to obviously stay in the word but also make sure that you are really watch what you're consuming oh yeah watch what your if you're if you're finding yourself being overwhelmed distracted or exhausted from the news or just either turn to the word or be able to be around people who are life-giving rather than you feel drained being around them or you're feeling like you're constantly in fighting mode there's a lot of division between families right now i know the holiday season is coming up so i just feel like there's a huge weight and and um just this weird discord and connect disconnection with a lot of stuff that's going on so i just want to encourage people to just stay in the word stay in community uh be surrounded by people who are lifting you up rather than tearing you down and if you need to take a sabbatical from social media do it absolutely do it it's one of the best things you guys did for yourself for your honeymoon literally two weeks completely unplugged i would i would be anxious it felt so good just to unplug and two if you need to take one day like really taken start looking back into honoring the sabbath like really taking some time to just really have one day devoted just strictly to god and just read scripture and and just just get back to the basics on a lot of stuff amen i wish i could read some of these uh comments that people are writing back you have ministered to a whole bunch of people oh gosh it's really really great well people can email me on my website if they need to yeah please do that if you want more information um eric what a blessing you are i i gotta say i'm so thankful to the lord for you um i look at all the things that god has done over the years um in your lives and to see how he's put it all together and i'm so thankful for the very day i emailed charlie kirk and i had asked charlie kirk to come on um because i had no idea that god would forge the kind of friendship relationship brotherhood sisterhood that he has amazing and um i'm so thankful to the lord for it you're a tremendous blessing guys join me in prayer we're going to pray for erica right now and ask for god's blessing upon her as she is continuing to do a great work in supporting charlie we're going to pray for charlie as well father in heaven we just thank you so much lord for your goodness and your faithfulness lord in erica's life lord and in charlie's life and lord as they continue to head up so many different areas where ministry is going on people's lives are being changed radical things are happening we pray that in the name of jesus right now you would just continue to pour out your spirit upon them lord protect them spiritually physically emotionally mentally financially lord every aspect continue to give them clarity of mind and remove the confusion that oftentimes is associated with the busyness of life so go before them now continue to use them in jesus name we pray amen amen and amen great time what a huge blessing and by the way tonight we're not done tonight erica is going to be sharing for our women's study yes and that is going to be powerful i'm super looking forward to it i'm exciting so i know ladies are going to be lining up and we're going to be getting ready for that it's going to be great and i i'm looking forward to it because i'll listen to it later i know i will and it's a it's going to be great i know i'll be edified and i just love how much work you put into these things and i know god is using you and raising you up in such a tremendous way so we love you dear guys god bless you listen quick special uh programming note we want you to be aware of the fact that uh tomorrow as uh we jump in with uh tom just understand that we are going to be starting at a very special time we will be starting at 11 30. um we want you to know that we don't want you to miss out on that okay um just know that uh we've got a lot planned on that day tomorrow we're gonna go over a lot of stuff both tom and i so our special live show starts tomorrow at 11 30 and then also friday is going to be our interview special interview with monkey don't forget that and dale and i will be doing a show on thursday also don't forget the release of the videos that we're doing if you've not seen the video that i released for uh today that was a significant one we don't want you guys to miss out on that that one was called need more evidence watch this and of course this is talking about the nonsense going on uh with the far left and how they're beginning to influence more and more the move for globalism and uh we've got a lot uh that's lined up tomorrow's video is also gonna be another great one and then pray for us because in a few minutes both don stewart and i will be filming uh countdown to eternity for our radio release so we love you guys god bless you keep seeking the lord put him first in all that you do and do not forget jesus is coming soon and that's our motivation for doing all that we do keep fighting the good fight and being invested hope you were inspired i know i was erica's amazing and i wanted everybody to see that and i think they did it was great share this with everybody i think thousands and thousands of people will watch it because of how encouraging and edifying it is and then again um i haven't even had the ability before closing up i didn't even have the ability to acknowledge all of you super chatters and super stickers i'm gonna do that right now really quickly thank you so much for all of them we didn't have time to read any of the comments but chad thank you you are amazing uh chestina thank you so much you guys are tremendous and thank you for blessing us and saying the kind comments that you have god is gonna bless you we love you guys god bless you keep fighting the good fight run the race for his glory love you guys you