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Joe Rogan and Theo Von Analyze Ballistic Questions Surrounding Shooting That Killed Charlie Kirk
Joe Rogan examines forensic inconsistencies in a high-profile shooting case that has sparked widespread skepticism. The conversation focuses on ballistic evidence, specifically whether a 30-06 rifle round could have caused the observed injuries without leaving an exit wound. Rogan, drawing on his hunting experience, questions the official narrative about the weapon, the shooting distance, and the suspect's alleged actions. The discussion touches on rifle mechanics, bullet behavior, expert analysis debunking certain claims, and various theories circulating online. With media credibility at an all-time low and disinformation rampant, Rogan and his guest navigate the murky waters of trying to understand what actually happened while acknowledging the limits of available information.
Ballistic Evidence Doesn't Add Up
Joe Rogan opened a conversation examining serious questions about the ballistic evidence in a shooting case involving Charlie Kirk. The discussion centered on forensic inconsistencies that have raised red flags among experts and observers alike. Rogan noted that headlines suggested conflicts existed regarding the bullet that killed Kirk, though he acknowledged uncertainty about the accuracy of various reports circulating online.
The core issue, as Rogan understood it, related to bullet fragments recovered from the scene. According to reports, forensic analysts were unable to determine that the fragments came from the alleged murder weapon—a Mauser rifle chambered in 30-06. Rogan was quick to clarify an important distinction that experts have emphasized: "unable to identify" does not mean "ruled out." This nuance has been lost in much of the public discourse surrounding the case.
The Physics of a 30-06 Round
Drawing on his extensive hunting experience, Rogan provided context about the 30-06 cartridge's capabilities. He emphasized that a 30-06 is "a big round"—significantly larger than the 5.56mm rounds commonly associated with military rifles. To illustrate the point, Rogan requested visual comparisons showing the 30-06 next to common objects like a quarter, as well as comparisons to other rifle cartridges.
The 30-06 Springfield cartridge, Rogan explained, is designed for hunting large game like elk. It contains substantial powder charge and delivers significant stopping power. When compared to Rogan's preferred hunting round, the 300 Winchester Magnum, the 30-06 proved slightly smaller but still formidable. The 300 Win Mag contains more powder due to its longer case, but both rounds pack serious firepower.
Rogan's central concern focused on the wound characteristics. According to available information, Kirk was shot in the neck in soft tissue, yet there was reportedly no exit wound. For someone with Rogan's experience shooting rifles and observing their effects on targets, this seemed inconsistent with what a 30-06 round would typically do to a human body at the reported distance.
The Missing Exit Wound
The absence of an exit wound became a focal point of the discussion. Rogan expressed skepticism that a 30-06 round wouldn't create an exit wound when striking soft tissue in the neck area. "I think it would have blown a hole out the back," Rogan stated. He noted that even 9mm handgun rounds sometimes create exit wounds, making the lack of one in this case particularly puzzling given the much larger rifle cartridge allegedly used.
Video footage from behind Kirk at the moment he was shot appeared to show no exit wound, which Rogan found inconsistent with the ballistic characteristics of the alleged weapon. However, Rogan acknowledged that firearms and bullets sometimes behave unpredictably. He suggested one possible explanation: if the bullet center-punched Kirk's spinal column, it might have fragmented and remained in the body without exiting.
Still, Rogan argued that even in such a scenario, forensic investigators should have been able to recover substantial bullet fragments from the body, especially if there was no exit wound. The reported inability to conclusively match fragments to the alleged murder weapon raised questions about whether that weapon was actually used in the shooting.
The Implausible Rifle Assembly Narrative
Beyond the ballistic evidence, Rogan took issue with the reported sequence of events surrounding the alleged shooter's actions. According to the initial narrative, the suspect climbed onto a roof with a disassembled rifle, assembled it on the roof, took the shot, then disassembled it again, climbed down, and reassembled it before leaving it in the woods.
For anyone familiar with precision rifle shooting, this account immediately raises red flags. Rogan explained that assembling and disassembling a scoped rifle fundamentally affects its accuracy. "You have to zero the rifle after you do stuff like that," he explained. Zeroing a rifle—the process of aligning the scope's point of aim with the bullet's point of impact—requires multiple shots, adjustments, and typically a stable rest to eliminate human error from the equation.
The process involves firing at a target at a known distance (typically 100 yards), observing where the bullet impacts relative to the point of aim, adjusting the scope's windage and elevation settings, and repeating until the rifle shoots accurately to the desired point of impact. This cannot be done quickly or quietly, and it certainly cannot be done on a hot roof while attempting to avoid detection.
Navy SEAL Rob O'Neill, known for his role in the operation that killed Osama bin Laden, had also commented publicly on these inconsistencies. Rogan referenced O'Neill's observations that the entire sequence—assembling the rifle, taking the shot, disassembling it, escaping the roof with it—seemed bizarre and implausible for the circumstances described.
The Dairy Queen Detail and Family Denials
Adding to the strangeness of the case, reports emerged that the suspect allegedly went to a Dairy Queen after the shooting. Rogan found this detail particularly odd: "Who could shoot someone and go to Dairy Queen?" The mundane nature of this alleged action seemed inconsistent with someone who had just committed a high-profile murder.
Furthermore, the suspect's family has reportedly denied that he confessed to the crime, contradicting official accounts. According to Rogan's understanding, the family stated that only about "2% of what they're saying about this is correct." Rogan acknowledged that the family was likely terrified about their son's future and noted that attempts to communicate with them would be complicated by the ongoing investigation and the family's vulnerable position.
Rogan made clear he wasn't claiming to know whether the suspect was guilty or innocent: "I'm not saying he did it. I'm not saying he didn't do it." However, he argued that if the official narrative involving the disassembled rifle was accurate, "that sounds like straight horseshit."
Video Evidence and Physical Impossibilities
Video footage of someone descending from an elevated position after the shooting became another point of scrutiny. Rogan noted that in the video, it didn't appear the person was carrying a rifle while hopping down. This observation raised obvious questions: How did the rifle get to the roof? How did it leave the roof? How did no one observe someone carrying or handling a rifle in what should have been a conspicuous manner?
The accumulation of these inconsistencies—the ballistic evidence, the rifle assembly narrative, the video footage, the family's denials, the Dairy Queen visit—created a picture that Rogan found deeply unsatisfying. He acknowledged that "there's so many things that are off about that story that doesn't totally make sense."
The Shot Distance and Difficulty
Official accounts placed the shooting distance at somewhere between 150 and 200 yards from Kirk. Rogan assessed this as a manageable distance for someone with rifle training and a quality scope, even if they weren't a professional marksman. "You could get trained," Rogan explained. "Shooting a rifle at 140 yards with a really good scope, if you've shot a bunch of times with a rifle and you can keep your [composure] together, is not that far of a shot."
However, this assessment assumed a properly zeroed rifle that hadn't been recently disassembled and reassembled—an assumption that conflicts with the official narrative. The discussion also touched on environmental factors, such as the temperature of the roof surface. While the shooting occurred in September in Utah, which might not have been extremely hot, being prone on any roof surface for an extended period creates additional challenges for a shooter.
Rogan was hunting in the Utah mountains at the time of the shooting and only learned about the incident through text messages from people seeking his comment. He had to use his Starlink satellite internet system—a device about the size of an iPad that provides high-speed internet access in remote locations—to research what had happened.
Skepticism in an Age of Compromised Media
The conversation touched on broader issues of institutional credibility and public skepticism. Rogan noted that people are "very skeptical about everything these days, which is also part of the problem." However, he argued this skepticism is warranted: "They have to be skeptical because the news is compromised. The news is owned by, you know, it's not good."
The challenge, according to Rogan, is that while healthy skepticism is necessary, the information environment is also flooded with disinformation and conspiracy theories. This creates a situation where legitimate questions about evidence and official narratives exist alongside unfounded speculation, making it difficult for the public to distinguish between the two.
Alternative Theories and Conspiracy Claims
The discussion briefly touched on alternative theories circulating online, including an "exploding mic theory" suggesting Kirk may have been killed by an explosive device concealed in his lapel microphone rather than by a rifle shot. Rogan had heard of this theory but expressed doubt about its plausibility, particularly regarding how someone would know precisely when to detonate such a device given that Kirk would have been moving around.
An even more elaborate theory connected the case to an explosion at Accurate Energetic Systems, a facility in Tennessee that processes ammunition and explosives. According to this theory, an invoice supposedly showed that Kirk's microphone had been taken to this facility to be converted into an explosive device. The facility later experienced a deadly explosion that left 18 people unaccounted for, which some theorists suggested was an attempt to destroy evidence.
Rogan acknowledged these theories but expressed caution about diving too deeply into unverified claims. He noted that investigator James Li, whom Rogan described as his "number one source of information" and "a nice guy," may have been involved in examining some of this evidence, though the specifics remained unclear.
The Sound Analysis
One piece of technical analysis that Rogan found more credible involved acoustic examination of the gunshot sound. According to this analysis, the delay between the sound of the gunshot and the impact on Kirk could be measured, and this delay corresponds to a specific distance based on the speed of sound and the velocity of a 30-06 round.
Some analysts suggested that based on this acoustic evidence, the shot may have been taken from a closer distance than officially reported. Rogan noted: "It sounds like a gunshot though and there's a delay between the gunshot and the impact in terms of acoustic readings." This type of analysis, based on measurable physical phenomena, represented a more solid foundation for questioning the official account than more speculative theories.
Autopsy Information Remains Undisclosed
A significant gap in publicly available information concerned the autopsy results. Rogan asked whether any autopsy information had been released that might clarify the nature of Kirk's injuries, the bullet's path through his body, and whether fragments recovered matched the alleged murder weapon. No such information appeared to be publicly available at the time of the conversation.
The absence of detailed autopsy findings left crucial questions unanswered. If the bullet did fragment against Kirk's spine and remained in his body, the autopsy would reveal this. If the wound characteristics were inconsistent with a 30-06 round fired from the reported distance, the autopsy would document that as well. The lack of this information contributed to the information vacuum that speculation and conspiracy theories rushed to fill.
The Broader Context of Distrust
Rogan's analysis of this case exemplified a broader phenomenon in contemporary American discourse: the widespread distrust of official narratives and institutional explanations. Whether this distrust is justified in any particular case varies, but the factors that produce it—media consolidation, conflicts of interest, documented instances of government deception, and the profit incentives that drive sensationalist coverage—are real and persistent.
In this environment, even straightforward criminal cases become sites of intense speculation and competing narratives. The challenge for conscientious observers is to maintain appropriate skepticism while avoiding unfounded conspiracy thinking—to ask legitimate questions about evidence and official accounts while acknowledging the limits of publicly available information and personal expertise.
Rogan navigated this challenge by grounding his questions in verifiable facts (the characteristics of 30-06 ammunition, the requirements for zeroing a rifle, the typical wound characteristics of rifle rounds) while acknowledging uncertainty ("I might be wrong," "I don't know if that makes sense") and avoiding definitive claims about what actually happened.
Video Transcript
[00:00] the Joe Rogan experience.
[00:03] >> Did you see that they don't know uh that
[00:06] there's conflicts of interest about or
[00:08] no, did you see Sorry, I'm starting to
[00:10] send off wrong. Did you see that there
[00:13] is some issues about the bullet that
[00:15] killed that guy of Charlie Kirk? I'm
[00:17] sorry. And I didn't mean to say that
[00:19] guy.
[00:19] >> Yeah,
[00:20] >> but I wasn't.
[00:20] >> Let me um clarify that. I think and
[00:24] we'll find out if this is correct, but I
[00:27] see headlines and I see the way people
[00:28] are talking about it and I don't know if
[00:31] it's accurate. Yeah.
[00:32] >> Because what I think is accurate is what
[00:35] they're saying is
[00:37] >> that the from the fragments of the
[00:39] bullet they were unable to determine
[00:42] that it came from that mouser rifle.
[00:44] >> I see. My issue with it, and I'm no
[00:48] expert, but I have shot things like I'm
[00:52] a hunter. I've shot things with rifles.
[00:54] I've shot a lot of rifles.
[00:56] >> A 306 is a big round.
[00:59] >> That's a big round. Show me an image.
[01:01] >> Would it hurt if it hit you?
[01:03] >> Uh, experts debunk Tyler Robinson's
[01:05] ballistic claim. Unable to identify is
[01:08] not the same as ruled out, which is
[01:10] exactly what I'm saying, right? So, um,
[01:12] show me an image of a 30 odd 6 round.
[01:15] 30-06
[01:18] rifle round. I want you to look at this.
[01:21] Look at the size of that Okay.
[01:23] Look at a 30 odd 6 versus a 308.
[01:26] >> That's a paper weight.
[01:27] >> A 30 odd 6 is a It's a big round. You
[01:29] see it in that guy's hand?
[01:31] >> Yeah. Oh my god. Are you serious?
[01:33] >> Mhm. That's 30 odd six. So, this is my
[01:35] >> That's a fat little hand though, too.
[01:37] Look at that thing.
[01:38] >> That's like my hand. This is this is the
[01:40] point is that that's a big round. That's
[01:43] not a small round. I mean, I don't know
[01:45] what isn't it compared to I use a 300
[01:47] Win Mag.
[01:48] >> Look at that on the right there. You
[01:49] just had it. Those cartridges
[01:50] >> 5.56. Yeah.
[01:53] Um is meant for war. 30 odd six is meant
[01:56] for hunting. No, I don't think that's
[01:57] accurate.
[01:57] >> Yeah, that doesn't look realistic.
[01:59] >> That's what a 30 odd six looks like.
[02:01] Okay. In comparison to a quarter. So,
[02:02] you look at it. So, a quarter is about
[02:04] that high. It's about that big. That's a
[02:05] big round, dude. That's a round for
[02:07] hunting like elk. Like it's a very
[02:10] common round. Well, do me a favor and
[02:14] compare 30 odd six to 300 win mag
[02:18] compared to 30 300 win mag.
[02:22] >> I'm just scared, dude.
[02:23] >> So 300 Win Mag I think is fatter. Let's
[02:26] see the difference.
[02:29] Okay, there it is. 300 win mag on the
[02:32] left. Oh, 30 odd six is bigger.
[02:34] >> Oh, look. Okay.
[02:36] >> Is that real?
[02:36] >> I don't know
[02:37] >> which one's which though.
[02:38] >> I don't know.
[02:39] >> Um
[02:41] uh show me that one far left. Far left
[02:44] right there.
[02:45] >> Okay. 300 win mag and 30 odd. So 300 win
[02:48] mag has a little bit more powder in it.
[02:50] See? See how it goes higher up? So it
[02:52] has more charge. It's a bigger round.
[02:54] But my point is that's a big round.
[02:58] >> So like a 30 oh 300 win mag is a big
[03:00] round. Yeah,
[03:01] >> 30 6 is slightly smaller, but it's still
[03:04] That's a lot of powder in that bad boy.
[03:06] It's a lot of firepower. It's a That's a
[03:10] So, this is what a lot of people have an
[03:12] issue with is the the wound that there
[03:15] was no exit wound. It shot him in like
[03:17] the soft tissue of the neck.
[03:19] >> If it killed you out,
[03:21] >> would you feel pain?
[03:22] >> I mean, I it looked like he was dead
[03:24] almost instantly. It looked like he
[03:25] slumped over. I think he was at the very
[03:27] least unconscious,
[03:28] >> but it would have left his body. You're
[03:29] saying
[03:30] >> I think it would have blown a hole out
[03:31] the back.
[03:33] >> That's the thing. It's like 9 mm do that
[03:35] sometimes.
[03:36] >> Yeah.
[03:36] >> It just doesn't It seems weird that it
[03:38] doesn't have an exit hole.
[03:40] >> Yeah.
[03:40] >> It seems weird that you're shooting him
[03:42] in the neck and the the image from the
[03:45] back. There's a video of him getting
[03:46] shot from the back. It doesn't leave an
[03:48] exit hole. So, it doesn't look like it's
[03:51] that round. There's also the fact that
[03:54] this guy supposedly climbed on the roof
[03:56] with it and then assembled it, which
[03:59] doesn't make sense because if you
[04:00] assemble it, that means you have to take
[04:02] the scope off, put the scope back on.
[04:03] You have to zero the rifle after you do
[04:05] stuff like that.
[04:06] >> Yeah. The guy who had uh who uh killed
[04:08] or allegedly killed Osama bin Laden.
[04:10] Who's that? Mike. Uh Mike, who's the
[04:12] >> I know who you're talking about. The
[04:13] Navy Seal.
[04:14] >> Yep. He was just talking about that. I
[04:16] And I only say alleged because I don't
[04:17] know anything about that. I don't know
[04:18] the specifics even though I read the
[04:19] freaking book he wrote. Um, but yeah,
[04:22] that he was saying that uh to be able to
[04:24] do all that and get off of that roof, it
[04:26] all seems bizarre.
[04:27] >> Not only that, they supposedly
[04:28] disconnected the rifle again, took it
[04:31] apart on the roof, put it in his
[04:33] backpack, jumped off with it, and then
[04:36] reassembled it and left it in the woods
[04:38] >> and allegedly was that a Dairy Queen. Do
[04:39] you see that? Who could shoot someone
[04:41] and go to Dairy Queen?
[04:42] >> It seems weird. And then also his
[04:44] family's denying that he he confessed.
[04:47] >> Yeah,
[04:47] >> they were saying that no, he didn't
[04:49] confess. And we haven't heard
[04:50] >> this family said 2% of what they're
[04:52] saying about this is correct.
[04:53] >> Have you Have you reached out to them or
[04:55] have they reached out to you?
[04:56] >> No. Well, I don't think they can. I
[04:57] mean, they're probably terrified about
[04:58] their son's future in life. Like,
[05:00] they're trying to pin this crime on him.
[05:01] Who knows if he did it or didn't do it.
[05:03] I'm not saying he did it. I'm not saying
[05:04] he didn't do it. But I am saying that
[05:06] the story of him climbing up there with
[05:09] a disassembled gun, assembling it,
[05:11] making that shot, climb, disassembling
[05:14] it again, climbing down. If that's the
[05:17] narrative, that sounds like straight
[05:19] horseshit.
[05:19] >> And the video of him hopping down, it
[05:21] does not look like he's a rifle when
[05:23] he's hopping down. So, what what's
[05:24] happening? How did he get up there? How
[05:26] did no one see it? There's so many
[05:28] things that are up about that
[05:29] story that doesn't it doesn't totally
[05:31] make sense. But a big one to me is the
[05:34] actual bullet hole, the the the actual
[05:37] damage that that rifle does. Look, but
[05:40] here's another thing. Guns do weird
[05:42] things sometimes. Like bullets do weird
[05:44] things and sometimes they don't resp
[05:47] maybe it hit maybe it center
[05:49] punched his spinal column and it did
[05:51] blow apart and it didn't go out the
[05:52] back. It's possible. Have we seen have
[05:55] they get released any information about
[05:56] the autopsy?
[05:59] >> I don't know. I don't know.
[06:02] >> I mean you would think that
[06:03] >> I don't know what the specifics are but
[06:04] I know a lot of people are very
[06:05] skeptical which they are about
[06:06] everything these days which is also part
[06:08] of the problem.
[06:08] >> Well they have to be skeptical because
[06:10] the news is compromised. the news is
[06:12] owned by, you know, it's not good. And
[06:16] uh
[06:16] >> it's also there's a lot of
[06:17] disinformation out there. There's a lot
[06:18] of like covering up stories. There's a
[06:21] lot of weird
[06:22] >> And yes, and then even uh other places
[06:26] can put out news that that that's bad
[06:27] for us that like, oh, we'll put this out
[06:29] there disguised as information. Um but
[06:33] did you see the that exploding mic
[06:34] theory? Did you guys talk about that on
[06:36] here?
[06:36] >> I've heard that theory, but I don't know
[06:39] if that makes sense. I don't know. I've
[06:42] heard people talk about it, but I hadn't
[06:43] looked into it. It looks like he got
[06:45] shot. I don't know if the microphone's
[06:47] going to hit you in the neck. Like, how
[06:49] how do you know where the mic's
[06:50] pointing? You're moving around a lot.
[06:52] How do you know when to make it go off?
[06:53] >> That's a good point. They had it like on
[06:54] his shirt at a specific spot. But yeah,
[06:55] you're right. How would you know? But
[06:57] then the place where
[06:58] >> it sounds like a gunshot though and
[07:00] there's a delay between the gunshot and
[07:02] the impact in terms of like acoustic
[07:05] readings like and I think somebody did
[07:07] an analysis of the distance they believe
[07:10] the shot was taken from based on the
[07:12] sound you know if that is the round that
[07:15] they used 30 odd six based on the sound
[07:17] of the gunshot going off and the amount
[07:19] of time before it impacts them it's a
[07:21] very small amount of time but it is
[07:22] measurable
[07:23] >> and they think that it might have
[07:25] actually been closer than what they're
[07:27] saying which is I thinkund and something
[07:29] yards. I forget what the exact distance
[07:31] was. What was the exact distance
[07:33] supposedly? I think it was like 140
[07:35] yards or something like that. But the
[07:37] weird thing is like this whole idea of
[07:39] assembling and disassembling. It doesn't
[07:41] work like that, man.
[07:43] >> And if the guy's not a professional, was
[07:44] he a professional?
[07:45] >> No. No, he definitely wasn't a
[07:47] professional. But I'm like, you could
[07:49] get trained like shooting a rifle at 140
[07:52] yards with a really good scope if you've
[07:55] shot a bunch of times with a rifle and
[07:57] you can keep your together is not
[07:59] that far of a shot. You can make that
[08:02] shot. People can make that shot. He
[08:03] wasn't even wearing a bulletproof vest
[08:05] even though they he did obviously get
[08:07] hit in the neck. But the thing is like
[08:10] if that's the narrative, and I don't
[08:12] know if they're still sticking with the
[08:13] story, but that was what they were
[08:14] saying at first that he disassembled it
[08:16] and reassembled it. Reassembling a gun
[08:18] does not make it accurate. You have to
[08:20] zero a rifle in. And what that involves
[08:23] in you get to like whatever the yardage
[08:26] are that you're trying it out, like 100
[08:27] yards, and you know, you you squeeze off
[08:30] a trigger, and then you look through the
[08:32] binoculars or you have a spotter with a
[08:34] scope next to you, and he says he says 6
[08:36] in high, right? And so then you adjust
[08:38] it. You adjust the scope and that and
[08:40] then do you get it where it's firing and
[08:42] you do it on a rest and it takes a few
[08:44] shots, man. So you have a rest so that
[08:46] you're you're not your rifle you're not
[08:48] moving the rifle around where it can,
[08:50] you know, be human error can be
[08:52] attributed to the mist.
[08:53] >> And if you're on a hot roof, that was a
[08:54] hot roof, wasn't it?
[08:55] >> Most official and media accounts put the
[08:58] shot at roughly 200 yards with some
[09:00] investigative timeline suggesting a
[09:01] range of about 150 to 200 yards from
[09:04] Kirk. So, somewhere between 150 and 200
[09:06] yards,
[09:07] >> dude. And also being on a hot roof. Have
[09:08] you ever been on a hot roof?
[09:09] >> I have.
[09:10] >> Dude, it's hot.
[09:11] >> Well, it wasn't that hot. Well, yeah, it
[09:13] was. It was September. September in
[09:15] Utah. Actually, not that hot.
[09:17] >> It sounds hot.
[09:18] >> Yeah. I don't think it was cuz this this
[09:21] was happening while I was out elk
[09:22] hunting.
[09:23] >> What town did it happen in?
[09:26] >> I don't know.
[09:28] I'm not sure.
[09:31] It was in Utah, though. I think it was
[09:33] in southern Utah, wasn't it?
[09:35] >> Yeah, but Utah's, you know, Utah's a
[09:38] mountain. It's a mountain town. I mean,
[09:41] >> yeah, my brother lives in Utah. I I like
[09:43] Utah.
[09:44] >> Like I said, I was in Utah at the time.
[09:47] Yeah, I was hunting in the mountains.
[09:48] >> Well, that's interesting.
[09:50] >> Yeah, I don't know nothing.
[09:54] I started getting all these text
[09:55] messages from people wanting me to
[09:56] comment on things. I was like, what are
[09:58] you talking about? I literally didn't
[09:59] know what was going on.
[10:01] >> And I had to use the Starlink to get
[10:03] online.
[10:03] >> Oh wow.
[10:04] >> I got a Starlink. It's like literally
[10:06] it's like the size of a iPad and
[10:08] you lay it on the ground, you get
[10:09] highspeed internet. It's incredible.
[10:11] >> That's cool
[10:12] >> Yeah. But that's how I had to like
[10:13] research it,
[10:15] >> find out what the people are
[10:16] talking about.
[10:16] >> But did you see the there was like the
[10:18] facility in Tennessee where they bought
[10:20] the whatever the mic thing was allegedly
[10:23] that that that place thing got
[10:24] completely obliterated. 16 people died.
[10:27] >> What?
[10:28] What?
[10:29] >> If you can bring that, bring that
[10:31] >> where they made the microphones
[10:32] >> where they made the uh lapel mic that he
[10:35] was wearing. This is like a This is
[10:37] probably conspiracy thing or something.
[10:39] >> Where'd you get this? Tik Tok.
[10:40] >> This is a conspiracy theory. It's
[10:41] something that's absolutely true. I JUST
[10:46] I haven't heard that one at all.
[10:48] >> I think James Lee said,
[10:49] >> but I'm trying to stay away from this
[10:51] That's why I'm not That's why I
[10:54] don't know. I agree. It just I think it
[10:56] it I don't know. It's just a tough
[10:58] >> So my my point about the round is it's a
[11:01] large round and it seems like it would
[11:02] have done more damage. And this is not
[11:05] my opinion. This is the opinion of many
[11:07] experts. Yeah,
[11:08] >> I agree with their opinion. I was it's
[11:10] not uniquely my opinion. I saw it and
[11:12] I'm like, "Oh my god, he got shot and
[11:14] then I heard it was a 30 odd six and I
[11:16] was like, hm,
[11:17] >> that's interesting.
[11:18] >> It's a little odd."
[11:20] >> If you had to get shot by what would you
[11:21] like to get if you had to get shot?
[11:22] >> You want to get killed, right? You don't
[11:24] want to get
[11:24] >> I don't shoot me with a 22.
[11:26] >> Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I take a 22. But a 22
[11:29] kills people.
[11:29] >> Where would you take it?
[11:30] >> People take in the shoulder, I guess.
[11:33] yeah,
[11:35] >> dude.
[11:35] >> No, you don't want to get shot, period.
[11:37] >> I know. I agree, Joe. But I'm just
[11:39] saying if you had to get shot, how do
[11:41] you like Because here's
[11:42] >> butt cheek 22 in the tighten up.
[11:46] >> They're taking in the butt cheek. Bang.
[11:49] >> I don't know. Not good. But no, no
[11:52] bullet is good to take. But the point is
[11:55] that seemed like not enough damage for
[11:58] that kind of round. But I might be
[12:00] wrong. Again, I might be wrong in that
[12:02] bullet stick weird things
[12:04] >> if it hit the spine and it blew apart.
[12:07] But I just feel like you would find a
[12:09] lot of it in there.
[12:10] >> I Dude,
[12:11] >> especially if there's no exit wound.
[12:12] Like where's how come you can't find
[12:15] >> The whole thing's bizarre, dude. Do you
[12:18] see the part, Jamie, that I'm talking
[12:19] about where that thing blew up?
[12:20] >> Oh, yeah. But I'm trying to find a good
[12:21] explanation of
[12:22] >> Okay, understood. And there may not be
[12:23] one. Thank you. I'm sorry.
[12:25] >> Um because I know I brought it up
[12:27] yesterday.
[12:27] >> Oh, you did? Okay. Um yeah, just like I
[12:30] don't know. I think I'm just scared. And
[12:32] it's like Yeah. What do you
[12:34] >> 18 people unaccounted for after deadly
[12:36] explosion rocks Tennessee plant. First
[12:39] responders rushed to Accurate Energetic
[12:42] Systems. That sounds like a CIA
[12:44] operation. a facility on the line of
[12:46] Humphre and Hickman uh counties that
[12:49] processes ammunition and explosives. But
[12:52] is this the place that made the
[12:53] microphones?
[12:54] >> So that that the the conspiracy says
[12:56] that the microphone was taken to this
[12:58] place to be converted into like an
[13:00] explosion device.
[13:02] >> Somebody found an invoice from it.
[13:03] That's what it was that that that was
[13:04] the piece of information that was going
[13:05] around.
[13:06] >> Who found that? Is that James Lee found
[13:07] that?
[13:08] >> Not sure.
[13:09] >> See if you can find what James Lee has
[13:10] to say. He's my number one source of
[13:12] information.
[13:12] >> That's what I heard, dude. I I got to
[13:14] podcast with him.
[13:15] >> Did you?
[13:15] >> I got to meet him, dude. Is he cool?
[13:17] >> He's a nice guy, bro.
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