Joe Rogan Experience #2219 - Donald Trump

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day all right we're rolling good to see you sir here we go um one of the things I wanted to talk to you about I wanted to play this but we decided we shouldn't play it because uh it could get copyright strike and we don't want to get the episode we don't want anybody to have any sort of a way to get it down sure but it was the episode of you when you're on The View and I think it was 2015 or6 like when you were running for president right and you sat you got introduced as our friend Donald Trump that's right whoopy Goldberg gives you a big hug and a kiss Joy bayar gives you a big hug Barbara Walters gives you a big hug they all loved you they were all talking about how your uh you might be you might be conservative in your financial positions but you're very liberal socially they were they're talking about you in such a favorable light the audience was cheering and then you actually started winning in the polls and then the machine started working towards you yeah but it's there's probably no one in history that I've ever seen that's been attacked the way you've been attacked and the way they've done it so coord at and systematically when you see those same people in the past very favorable to you like Oprah when you were on Oprah Show she was encouraging you last week I did one of our last shows I think maybe Thursday or Friday that was a big deal being on Oprah's show the last one and I was like one of the last shows in that last that final week and I said boy we've come a long way since since that what was it like uh well the concept it was really like two different lives you know I had a a very wonderful life but I I wanted to do this The Apprentice was still going very strong we had 12 seasons and uh we had actually uh 14 Seasons 12 years over they had a couple of well they canceled the Apprentice when you were running for president correct no they had Arnold SCH a do it I was involved in that and I want I I had enough of it and we did great it was doing great but they wanted me to stay they all came to see me they said we're going to give you a contract they wanted to extend my contract Mark Bernett is a great guy and they wanted to extend the contract Mark said you're crazy don't run don't run no nobody gives up prime time they said you know it's one of those little things which is probably true nobody gives a prime time though for being president for for running well for running against 20 some people you know turned out to be 18 18 professional people you know mostly politicians they said who would do this I mean it's a long shot actually the heads of NBC came over the uh Paul tgy all the all the top people came over to see me try and talk me out of it because they wanted to have me extend The Apprentice was doing well so it was 14 Seasons it was 12 years we had one two seasons where we had a double which rarely happens it was just a hot show and uh I said you know I want to do this what happened is uh previously like three years four years before that they did a poll they had Mitt Romney and somehow they put me in a poll and I blew everybody away I blew him away which isn't that hard frankly but I blew everybody away and I said that's interesting because I never really gave it that much real thought I thought about it but never real thought but I saw these polls were very good and so I was thinking about doing it then but I had a contract with the Apprentice plus I was building two big buildings at the time and I wanted to make sure they got finished up properly and it was one of those things the kids were just sort of getting involved they're very capable kids but they were getting involved early on so I did that I got them done I had some very good successes and I came on and then I thought about it for the next one after the Romney disaster and I ran and I won against Hillary it was quite an experience but it was a different life because you're right the view I was on The View many many times and uh they loved me just the way people would talk I mean even if people had criticisms about you people that didn't like you there was always feuds and stuff like that but the reality was the thing turned on you when they found out that you were going to be president it was very coordinated and some people are catching on to that now there's a lot of people that were longtime Democrats like Elon and Bill Amman and all these different very intelligent people and they support me now Bill supports me he's been very supportive too what this is what I wanted to ask you what was it like when you actually got in CU nobody really can prepare you for that when you're running for president you don't really know what it's going to be like when you actually get into office what was the what did you think it was going to be like in office or when I decided to run so no when you got in when I was in so when I was in and one and was in the White House essentially well first of all it was very surreal oh you know it's very interesting when I got shot it wasn't surreal that should have been surreal when I was laying on the ground I knew exactly what was going on I knew exactly where I was hit they were saying you were hit all over the place because there was so much blood from the ear you would know that better than anyone when they get the ear torn up ear bleed a lot bleed anyway so and and I was thinking the other day when when that happened I really knew where I was I knew exactly what happened I said I wasn't hit anywhere else with the with the presidency it was a very surreal experience okay and what's day one like you win you get inaugurated holy I'm the president yeah that's what happened so I'm driving down Pennsylvania Avenue I just built a building on pen you know the hotel the old post office it was we called it Trump National uh hotel and we sold it to the Waldorf Historia and it was a wonderful thing but I'm driving down I'm passing the hotel you've never seen so many motorcycles police military you know it was a major thing I got off really the first time I used Air Force One landed and we're coming down and they were it was very be I mean it was incredible and we're going down Pennsylvania Avenue in the opposite direction you know normally you're used to going one way and all of a sudden you're going the other way the street was loaded up and I wanted to go out and I wanted to wave to everybody but that wasn't smart you know that KS a little bit dangerous right I mean when you watch like Kennedy and some others right but I really felt I don't know the love was so crazy and so I did get out of the car for a brief you know just for a very short walk I thought it was very important to do and milania got out with her beautiful dress on that became sort of a staple it was uh people loved it and Baron and we're walking down the street but where it really got amazing we get to the White House and now it's a little bit uh little bit before dark beautiful and we went up to the president's quarters they call them the presidential quarters and I'm standing in this beautiful hallway I you know it's funny nobody ever talks about the White House as being beautiful inside you know you think it's going to be everything's going to be all metal doors and stuff it's not it's so beautiful I made my money largely on luxury the hallway is like 25 ft wide the ceiling Heights are you every it's so beautiful but I was standing there and I said to the guys I want to see the Lincoln bedroom I had never seen the Lincoln bedroom I'd heard about the Lincoln bedroom and I was standing with my wife I said Do you believe it this is the Lincoln bedroom I mean it was like it was it was amazing because it's look if you love the country but here you are the Lincoln bedroom and the bed you know he was very tall he was 6'6 which then would be like like Baron right would be like Baron Trump he's 69 but 6'6 he was very tall then on top of that he wore there it is he wore that yeah there it is it's a long bed elongated bed and because very you know people were shorter than you see some of the chairs are very very low to the ground actually but he had the long bed and they had uh you had the Gettysburg Address right on that right under that you can't see it here but right there the original version of the Gettysburg address and this is the original and I'm looking and I just looked around I said Do you believe this because I was never a pol first of even if you were a politician but I was never a politician it just I sort of just started right and all of a sudden I'm standing in the White House and it was uh very very surreal that room was so beautiful to me much more beautiful than it actually is you know to me when I looked at the bed and the bed you could see was a little bit longer had to be a little bit longer uh he lost his son and they suffered the two of them suffered from melancolia they didn't call it depression they called it melancolia and they suffered from it he was a very depressed guy and she was a very depressed woman more so than him and on top of that they lost their son whose name was Tad Tad and uh it was uh just seeing it in the little picture a little tiny picture I mean you can't see the details there little tiny everything the W was a little tiny picture of Tad who he lost and it was devastating and he was you know he was a look he was in a war he was he and he was having a hard time because he couldn't beat Robert E Lee Robert E Lee won like 13 battles in a row and he was getting like a phobia like a fighter you know a lot about the fight stuff but like I went to a UFC fight and it was a champion who was 14- one about a year ago you would know the names 14 and one and the only guy he lost to was this one guy but the guy that he was fighting was like almost just an average fighter lost numerous times but he beat this one guy so I said okay I really don't know who you're talking abouty I I will figure it out okay but about a year ago but the point is that he lost he wasn't nearly the fighter as the but the one who was not nearly the fighter had beaten he's the only guy that beat the the champ like five years before and I said I'll take the guy that won the other fight and that's what happened he beat him a second time sometimes psychological advantage is this crazy thing uh Lincoln had a I don't know I've never read this I heard it from people in the way house who really understand what was going on with with the whole life of the White House but Lincoln had uh The Yips about in a way as the golfers would say he had a phobia about Robert El Lee said I can't beat Robert because Robert E Lee won many battles in a row he was just beating the hell out of you know they tried to get Robert Elite to be on the north but he said no I have to be with my state you know the state was his whole thing and and he went to the South and he was uh I've had generals tell me we have some great generals the real generals not the ones you see on television the ones that beat Isis with me we defeated Isis and record time it was supposed to take years and we did it in a matter of weeks he's are great generals he's a tough guys he's a not woke guys but their favorite General in terms of Genius was Robert El Le strategy strategy strategically he took a war that should have been over in a few days and it was you know years of head hell a vicious war and um so here I am standing there and again I had never really done this before you know I ran I ran a number of months before I won I probably uh I guess if you figured Max it out it would be a year something like that so I had never run for office and I did well I mean I I went into debates we had 18 people including me and then slowly but surely they started to disappear we had debates good debates everyone's aware of all this stuff but what I want to get to is like what was the experience once you got inside like what did you think it was going to be like in terms of like your ability to govern like this is your first experience governing anything you never been a govern you never been a mayor private private stuff business but now all of a sudden you're inside the White House the biggest thing was just that first moment of being in this hallowed it was really a hallowed place to me it was it was beyond to me that's that was the experience it was a surreal experience and then with time that wears off with time it becomes you know your place where you stay and right uh I was doing a lot of I was I had two things that I really focused on governing the country and uh survival because from the moment I won before I got to office all of a sudden it I mean they came down I mean nobody has ever been treated that way and and you see that I mean you see we're in the Washington Post very early on they said well now the impeachment stuff starts and it did I mean it literally started from the beginning so I had survival and run the nation I had a a combination most people don't have the survival they get in uh what did you expect though in terms of like once you got inside you had to appoint all these people like how many appointments did you have to make you have you actually 10,000 uh appointments now they're different you know you have big ones and then they appoint right 100 people and 200 people and but the president really is is involved with approximately 10,000 appointments so you'll appoint a secretary of state and he will he or she will appoint a lot of people so it's a lot but in terms of major ones you probably have like a h 100 but they're big ones uh treasury State uh military and how did you know who to a point well I I didn't I had no experience you have to understand I was there 17 times in Washington and I never stayed over according to the Press which I think is probably right over the years I was only there 17 times I never stayed over so now I'm sitting there I'm saying this place is gorgeous but you know I don't know anybody it's like you you you know you go to certain areas and other areas they may be great Washington was great Washington's not so great right now they're got to we got to fix it we got to make it better very dangerous place very badly maintained place we're going to make it great we're going to make it better better we're going to bring it back but I wasn't a Washington guy I was a New York guy I was a New York Builder and I I built buildings in New York and I knew that whole world but I didn't know the Washington world too well and all of a sudden you're supposed to be appointing top people so what did you think it was going to be like versus like did you have any ideas of what it was going to be like and what was different well I was always involved in politics but usually from the standpoint of of a donor I was a donor you know I was a big donor I gave money to politicians I enjoyed Poli rats right a de both really pretty much both I have actually pictures of Ronald Reagan and me when I was very young you were a Democrat until like what year uh I was a Democrat um I could get you the exact but the the early 90s the early 90s I I switched over eventually actually uh they had a reform party I was thinking about doing that for a little while but then fortunately I didn't because it's very hard you know it's a two-party system and anytime you hear third party I know you like RF K junr and so do I he's a fantastic gu I do but I thought that being an independent was nonsense it doesn't work it doesn't work because even if you do great you're not going to get Congress in other words you need now to say okay now I'll get half of Congress never going to vote for you so even if you got there which is very hard and but and I know how you feel about Bobby and I feel the same way and he's now with us but it it doesn't it's real it's pure and simple it's a two-party system right and uh somebody I won't mention his name but somebody spent $250 million trying to get the nomination as a Reform Party candidate or whatever and they got just nowhere you get eaten you just get eaten the system eats you alive right so uh so it was it was really somebody that Not only was new to Washington but was new to politics so in in the office of the presidency over the years all those presidents you've had 92 2% were politicians and 8% were Generals General Eisenhower General Washington right General George Washington he had generals so it's 8% no Admirals 8% generals and 92% politicians you know they're politicians and they go on so they never had a business guy or they never had a guy that wasn't elected to an office um they were all like Ronald Reagan was really he was a movie actor and then but he became the governor of California for I think two terms and then he ran uh so you'd never had a thing like this but I you know in terms of me and some sometimes i' use it as an excuse and I don't like having excuses actually but I'd use it as an excuse I had to rely on people that I respected or liked but that I didn't know that well because I didn't know them that well some of those people I campaigned against because you know when you have 18 people we had mostly politicians running in the election you know running in the primaries and they got knocked out one by one but I got to like some of them some of them I didn't like at all and I don't like them now and I'd rely on them and I'd rely on other people so all of a sudden people would come in I'd like to recommend so and so to be Secretary of State and I'd have three four people recomend one thing I can tell you everybody wants the position of course no no but sometimes I'll hear a lot of people don't want to work with Trump because Trump is tough to work with Etc let me tell you everybody wants to be any one of these positions they die for it of course now they don't want to be known I mean there's a particular guy in uh New York primarily very big very big very successful very uh very strong very political although he's not a politician he'd give anything to be Secretary of State but if they ask him no I don't think I would do it but in the meantime begging for it okay begging they all I believe everybody look everybody wants it but my by the way no matter what you do every but it's very dangerous to pick somebody outside of a politician because a politician's been basically vetted for years right you pick a business guy and they've never been vetted at all and they're you know the head of a big company or something but they've never been vetted you know nothing about his personal life you know nothing about where he's been when you put him in it's a little bit dangerous because all of a sudden they get checked up and you hear things that you're saying wow this is not going to work out too well so it's very dangerous picking picking people that are outside of politics is somewhat dangerous so you're kind of stuck in a position we have to pick established people then the problem with established people is established people are already indoctrinated into the system and they're stiffs in many cases stiffs they're survivors I find that you know what do you mean by stiffs when you say stiffs stiff they don't they don't have nothing they have nothing or they're smart and survival one one little thing so there was a congressman years before I ran and I was very close to him and I needed a license on something and he was very important in getting the license but it was a little bit controversial the license this particular thing that was being licensed but I was close to this guy and helped him and everything else and I went to him I said I'd like to have you help and he said uh let me take a look at it I said oh that's not too good uh but I really hope you're going to help and anyway he tapped me along for a long period of time and ultimately didn't do it and I said you are a stiff you could have done this thing so easy Etc but it was controversial he was in Congress for many years like 28 years and you know there's a reason when somebody's there for 28 years you got to be S of smart you know you have all scals and I realized he was a Survivor and so they never do anything controversial they never take any chances or speak their opinion that's outside of the yeah and yet I don't disrespect him for it I actually respected the guy more than a in a certain way I said survive you know what he's been there like for 28 years and he made it through a lot of people don't make it through it's a good way for non-exceptional people to survive well it is I mean it certainly is so you're you're in there you have 10,000 appointments you have to make like so you're getting advice from people and it at one point in time did you have a moment in time where you realize like these are bad choices like some of these people I shouldn't have had in there oh yeah I think so the one question that you'll ask me that I think you'll ask me that see people seem to ask and I always come up with the same answer uh if I I the one mistake cuz I did I had a lot of success great economy great everything everything was great we the military we rebuilt it biggest tax cuts in history all this stuff we did we had a great presidency uh three Supreme Court Justices most people get none you know you pick them young this way they're there for 50 years right so you know even if a president is there for eight years often times they never have a chance I had three it was sort of the luck of the draw but uh I I will say that it always comes back to the same answer the biggest mistake I made was I picked some people I picked some great people you know but you don't think about that I picked some people that I shouldn't have picked I picked a few people that I shouldn't have picked and neocons yeah neocons or bad people or disloyal people or people that were just people that were into the got bad advice yeah I mean look I mean you reading about them a little little bit today a guy like Kelly who is a bully a bully but a weak a weak person you know you know more about bullies than anybody probably around cuz you deal in a a certain sport where the bullies are exposed very quickly yeah but you know uh he's bad uh Bolton was an idiot but he was great for me because I'd go in with a guy like a John Bolton you know John Bolton a friend of mine called called me up I was picking Bolton and he's a very smart guy his name is Phil Ruff and he's a very rich guy from Las Vegas one of the he a great card player he doesn't play cards but he's a great play you know he's just a natural got poker sense right you know the good old poker sense and Phil Ruffin is is a very very wise kind of a guy and very one of the richest people around and has had great success and understands people so it was in that I was picking Bolton or I picked Bolton he called up he said don't pick him well he's a bad guy I've now he wasn't in politics at all he in various businesses he said he's a bad guy he's just it always works out bad with that guy I said oh man I wish you told me this two weeks ago I already hired him you know he's here and and he was right but but he was good in a certain way he's a nut job and every time I had to deal with the country when they saw this wack job standing behind me they said oh man Trump's going to go to war with him this he was with Bush when they went stupidly into the Middle East they should have never done it I used to say it as a civilian so I always got more publicity than other people and I didn't it wasn't like I was trying in fact I don't know exactly why maybe you can tell me when I could definitely tell you he said a lot of wild maybe maybe he said a lot of wild and then CNN in their all their brilliance by highlighting your wild made you much more popular yeah and they boosted you in the PO cuz people were tired of someone talking in this pre-prepared politician lingo and even if they didn't agree with you they at least knew whoever that guy is that's him that's really him when you see certain people talk certain people in the public eye you don't know who they are you have no idea who they are it's very difficult to know you see them in conversations they have these pre-planned answers they say everything it's very rehearsed you never get to the meat of it what the one of the beautiful things about you is that you free ball like you get out and you do these huge events and you're just talking and you're making we we've highlighted you on the show many times where when you did this Biden impression where he's walking around he doesn't know what he's doing it's funny it's it's standup it's funny stuff but it's like you and you were making fun of Elon one time you doing an Elon impression it's great you you have like comedic instincts like when you said to Hillary you'd be in jail like that's great timing yeah but it's like that kind of stuff was unheard of as a politician like no one had done that and I think you know what's funny you need at least the attitude of a comedian when you're doing this business this is a very dangerous business first of so it's a very tough business when it's the most dangerous business the most well for for a job yes I mean other than going to war and being a firefighter or being a cop it's the most dangerous business the most dangerous being president is the most dangerous especially you I mean you haven't even got to the election there's been two assassinations attempts and they've brushed those out of the news like it was nothing yeah they'd rather not talk about them imagine if there was assassination attempts on Biden how hard people would be attacking the right how they would be trying to get guns taken away from people they would try to ramp up gun laws they would try to figure out some way to blame you if there was a tax on if Biden got shot in the ear we would have never heard the end of it but I think he's in good shape because it's only consequential presidents if you take a look at what's happened look I'm for having countries pay us billions and billions and trillions even dollars I took in hundreds of billions of dollars from China nobody took in 10 cents not one other president I do things that make it I mean that don't necessarily make me so popular I just do what's right and when you do that you know you're more look at look at Iran Iran we would have never had the attack on Israel at all Iran was broke I told China if you buy you can't do business in the United States under any cir I was going to we going to go cold turkey with China some people think that would have been a good idea anyway but if you buy any oil one barrel of oil from them you're not doing business I said that to many countries Iran was broke they had no money for Hezbollah they had no money for Hamas they had no but I make myself you know I mean I understand what I'm doing you make yourself a Target and it's a very dangerous business but if you just look it statistically so I I said I saw thing I don't know if it's right but 1/10th of 1% for a race car driver yeah it's pretty dangerous business right yeah uh one1 of 1% for a bull rider I I tell you to me talk these guys that ride the Bulls is worse than UFC is worse these guys you see these big monster bulls and you see it in slow motion where the the foot is like you know an inch away from the head if it hits him the guy's gun but they die you know they die so one/ tenth of 1% die what you're saying yeah one tenth of 1% die right and they certainly get hurt badly really mean they can't walk after a certain period of time but but with the president if you look at the amount of assassination and attempts too and attempts no it's a very dangerous position I never thought of that by the way when I did it I you know you don't you don't tend to I did you just assume because people loved you on The Apprentice they were going to love you as a president think it would be so easy you know it's probably would have been if the media didn't attack you the way they did if they didn't conflate you with Hitler I mean even today like K was talking about you and Hitler you're they're going to take what you said about Robert E Lee oh Donald Trump Wishes the South one that's right he loves Robert they love to take things out of context and distort things but well they they don't even have to take them out they make them up entirely okay they but you know it's interesting when you mentioned the uh the I was very popular and and all those people love me I mean this uh some of these these women they're so they're so stupid and joy she would every time she'd see me like I'd be in the theater or something and she you have to be on the show again come on come on let's go we have to she loved you she Lov me that episode where people should watch that episode just to see what we're talking about like I said we don't want to get a copyright strike so we're not going to put it up but if you watch the episode it's bananas it's like an alternative universe and it's only who n years ago whoopy loved loved you gives you a hug and a kiss and how about that other one the new one on there the uh the one from my Administration she writes me a letter the greatest president she leaves you know she worked as like an assistant press secretary I hardly knew her but she leaves and she writes me this gorgeous letter what's her name she was uh I don't even know you know she anyway she was in the administration she's on now currently sits on the far right hand side whatever the hell her name is and and she writes a letter the most beautiful letter she's quoted in the paper he's a consequential he was the greatest president blah blah blah then all of a sudden she goes to view and she said hitting the hell out of me because they won't hire unless I've had many people go on CNN and they call said I don't know what to do what they want to pay me a lot but I have to be negative and knew I said be negative that's okay there are guys on like CNN they won't hire them Shawn Duffy is a you know congressman and he retired he got a good job with CNN but he was only positive about Trump so they kept him but they would never put him on I mean I respect what he did he could have gone you know negative I tell people go negative you know let my friends make the money well it's so crooked the Press is so crooked CR it's crooked but it's also they're diminishing themselves they're they they are they're killing all their credibility and it's opening up the credibility to New Media it's opening up the credibility to Independent Media all these the worst I've ever seen though and I've seen the worst I mean I've been a part of it I've been I've seen the worst kamla goes on 60 Minutes gave an answer that a child wouldn't give it was so bad in 60 minutes took the answer out they took the whole and they put another answer in they edited it deceptively which didn't make sense either but it was better they took the well it wasn't editing it was fraud yeah this was not editing you know editing is where I'll give an answer and they'll take a couple of words and change them around or they might even take a sentence or two off which is very bad but that's it's sort of bad you know I'd give an answer which was a very good answer I always talk about you know I like to give long The Weave you know I like to you like to weave things in yeah but when you do the weaves and you have to be very smart to do weaves when you do the weave look at this just in this one thing we're talking about little pieces here but always ends up no no it comes back home for the right people for the wrong people it doesn't come back home when they end up in the wilderness right but but they can take my answer and you know what they may take a little piece of it out or something and they use the term yes we want to save time well it's not but I've never heard I think it's the biggest scandal in broadcast history what happened to C CBS so you have CBS 60 minutes that's a news program it's not an entertainment program it's under their news it's the head of their news thing she gives an answer that was that shows that she's essentially incompetent and they took the answer could you imagine them doing that for me we can show it if you want people to see it can we show it no we get in trouble we'll get copyright strike okay I'll listen anyone can find it but it's it's drastic but what was interesting was the other full version was available initially it was like a preview they somebody made a big mistake somebody put that preview out there put the preview out and then the bosses did this or that and then all of a sudden they said we got a problem ex exactly and then they got caught by mistake well you but don't you think that's a bit to me and don't forget this is election interference and fraud and it's 60 minutes it's their news division so they it's a big deal they give those licenses out Joe for free they should pay for Fortune they're worth a fortune they give them out for free because they're using the public Airwaves with cable you don't have that Cable's different but you know it it's just a different deal but with the networks they give those license they're worth billions of dollars they give them out free but you have to be honest and all that was bad I think that David mure and that woman that was aside I never even heard of her but they kept interrupting me it was like I said how many people am I debating here I got this one and I got you two but he went after me 11 different times you know it's interesting I always thought he was a nice guy but he's just like the rest of him you know well that's his job unfortunately and I'm I'm sure they want you're right well the problem was they fact checked you and they didn't fact check her and one of most egregious examples of that was when she said that there is there are no troops right now deployed in war zones there's a very famous viral video that went online of troops in a war zone saying well what the are we then because there's thousands of them Dan khaw the congressman uh posted on his Instagram all of the various examples of troops that are deployed thousands and thousands of troops that are currently deployed stupidly deployed but the point is if this is going to be an actual real debate and not a propaganda exercise if it's going to be a real debate you have to fact check everybody like if someone says maybe she thought there was no which is also a problem so it's one of two things it's either it was not true was a lie on purpose which is terrible or it was the opposite it was ignorance which is also terrible well you when I said crime is soaring he said no no crime has gone down I said where did you hear that one crime has gone down I mean I'm debating with this guy but I've had that well there was amended FBI statistics that came out after that that showed the crime had gone up substantially and by the way the statistics were a fraud because when they put out the statistics they didn't include some of the worst places they didn't include some of the worst cities some of the most deadly places but when the real numbers came out I turned out to be right but I haven't you turn out to be right but then there's another problem unreported crime is way up because people have lost look the morale that the police department has in a lot of these cities where they've done this defund the police these the morale these poor cops it's horrible it's the dumbest idea of all time but what they've done is they've they've made these cops feel terrible like good cops I think cops are just like everybody else most of them are great it's like everybody else but if you run into one Carpenter and he does a shitty job in your house you say Carpenters suck but they don't suck most of them are great and that's the with cops but the point is like they they did all of these things in this very foolish way and these cops are suffering the consequences of it and so subsequently what happens is a lot of crime is unreported a lot of crime like you call the cops they're too busy they can't even get you or your house got broken into sorry you know it doesn't even make a report there's a lot of people that they just give up it's so sad what's happened and I'll tell you what uh I go to police funerals and we went to one in Long Island I visited the family in Long Island a very big deal it's so dangerous people don't realiz the car dark Windows pull over he's a gentleman please pull over door opens guy comes out firing even if they were allowed to pull out their gun which they're not they can't you know pull out time they still wouldn't have time it's every cop's worst nightmare it they open a door and he was killed and his partner was hurt he was killed and you don't have I mean you don't even have an eighth of a second to think and it is such a dangerous job that in particular think of it you go up to a car you don't know who's sitting there with a gun and if they have a gun you really don't have a chance you're not allowed to have your gun out by the way you have they have very strict rules so number one there're but even if you could have your gun out the door opens and a guy and bullets start firing out you know and especially where they have the dark Windows where they have the darkened Windows it is such a dangerous POS uh profession and it's very hard to get cops now because they they're not given any backup and you're right you can you know they have like an eighth of a second to make a decision that's going to change their life if they make the wrong decision they're going to end up on the front page of every newspaper in in the country and they're going to lose their house and their pension and their their job and their wife is going to be gone and everything's going to be gone abely and there here's another thing that people don't talk about how many of them have PTSD probably most of them these guys are seeing people shot all the time you know I I've talked to a ton of cops about it and you know a lot of cops commit suicide a lot of cops are deeply depressed a lot of but we have to give them back their dignity we have to we can't we just have to give them back you said it's so good you you never hear so anybody say that you're never going to have it perfect you're going to have a bad apple in everything every profession but every time there's a bad apple that gets massive publicity and it it taints everybody else but it's also this very irresponsible thing where people say defund the police get rid of the police you know even com Harris was a part of that that it's a it's a very stupid way to look at it what you should do is fund the police you should have better training you should have cops that feel more appreciated you do you should have some something that helps mitigate this PTSD that all of them suffer through right she was a big part of defund the police that was a big thing for her defund the police always to fund the police well was it's a political idea but any anybody with that political thought I don't think should be running for president and I think people are getting wise to it you know we're doing pretty well now I don't know maybe in a week from now say sorry about that I was wrong but we're leading everything and I think we're going to have a very good election but I tell because people are starting to get to know her but she was defund the police she was all these transgender operations you know if you wanted a sex change and you were in detention and you demanded a sex change they would give you a sex change well the wildest one is this idea of giving free sex change to illegal immigrants that's right in detention that is the wildest thing is that the biggest problem you have you just walked here from Guatemala you need to become a girl but she was in favor of it so so think of it she was now she changed she changed 15 policies in fact I'm going to send her a Maga cap she stole your idea about no tax for tips I I came up with this idea that honestly nobody ever heard of and all now it took her two months but you know what all of a sudden it what caught fire and she just put it into a little speech yeah well I think we have I think we still have that issue I think that issue is a good one for us but um no we have a lot of good issues you know we had the the other day think of how simple some of these things are we're trying to get cars built in the United States Detroit has been really tough It's been a disaster they have a huge Factory a huge car auto plant being built by China in Mexico make cars sell them in the United States put everybody out of business right here we go again I said if that plant is there when I'm president I will put 100 or 200% tariffs on every car they'll be unsalable in the United States and they just announced they're not going to build the plant because they think I'm going to win think of it they're not going to build the plant this was the biggest plant in the world it would have more than all of Michigan makes that's how big you know this is what we're getting to and I said if that plan goes up I want them to understand if I win I'm going to tax those cars at the rate of a 100 or 200% of piece so that you won't be able to sell them in the United States they just announced they're not going to build a plan yeah I read that I did a big favor for our country by doing that and I'm not even there yet to me the most beautiful word and I've said this for the last couple of weeks in the dictionary today and any is the word tariff it's more beautiful than love it's more beautiful than anything it's the most beautiful word this country can become rich with the use the proper use of tariffs it'll keep did you just float out the idea of getting rid of income taxes and replacing it with tariffs well okay were we serious about that our yeah sure why not because we ready our country was the richest in the relatively in the 1880s and 1890s a president who was assassinated named McKinley he was the Tariff King he spoke beautifully of terce his his language was really beautiful uh we will not allow the enemy to come in and take our jobs and take our factories and take our workers and take our families unless they pay a big price and the big price is tariffs and he'd speak like that but he was right and then around in the early 1900s they switched over stupidly to frankly an income tax and you know why because countries were putting a lot of pressure in America we don't want to pay tariffs please don't you you know they believe me they control our politicians if you look at the kind of numbers that these guys make then and now but we had a commission meeting in the uh 18 I think it was 1887 think of this problem we were so rich we had so much money we didn't know what to do so they set up a blue ribbon Commission on tariffs and the sole purpose is what to do with all the money we had we were so rich because we were taxing other people for coming in and taking our jobs and China does it that's what China did if you want to open a factory and sell cars if you build a factory or have a factory they don't take our cars they they wouldn't take our cars but if you build a plant in China you can do that Elon did that by the way Elon is great that guy is such a great guy I think you're a fan of he is from a different planet he's the greatest guy that rocket coming in I talk I'm I'm I told the story once or twice so you may have heard it because his speeches have been good did you see the one last night yeah 29,000 people that was a and the one the night before was the same thing we are we are rocking and rolling but but Elon and I'm talking to this very important guy I said wait a minute I'm looking at something the television's on muted right and I see just rocket it's all Brown from the heat you know like 10,000 Dees pouring down at thousands of miles an hour and I see this thing you know it's like a 20 story building and it catches and I say to this guy's an important guy wait a minute let me just put you to hold it I got to see this and I see this and and it's going to crash I say it's going to crash into the Gantry they call it a Gantry I said oh man that's got to be a disaster cuz it's starting to get very close and then all of a sudden you see the flames in the bottom and it boom and then you see the two arms grab it crazy and I forgot the guy I had him on the phone I forgot no I said the hell with no I called Elon I said was that you he said that was me and I said who else can do that he said nobody Russia can't do it the United States nobody can do it you know I set up space force that was me and that's the first time in 82 years that we opened another Branch since the Air Force and that's going to be one of our most important things but think of what Elon does and he did one other thing that I never heard of it it's uh starlink I went down to North Carolina Georgia the different places right I followed it right down and they had no communication the polls were all knocked down every and one of the guys in North Carolina said could you do me a favor do you know Elon Musk yes he endorsed me by the way he gave me the nicest endorsement to this the tougher he said the country's going to fail you should do the same thing Joe because you cannot be voting for Kamala Kamala you're not a Kamala person I know you I've watched you I know him better than he you know what without speaking to you I think I know you maybe almost as well as your wife I have watched you for so many years you're not a Kamala person you're a kabib person but you're not a Kamala person no nobody's going to know who khabib is but oh they know who he was he was not he was not bad right that guy oh he was phenomenal but that's your kind of your weave is getting wide we're getting wide with this weave I want to bring it back to ter but wait one sec before we finished with tariffs I just so they said they said could you get him we need starlink and I call Elon he got it for him so fast saved so many lives and I said how was it they said better than the wires you know they couldn't put them in they were all they were all gone so getting I used it recently in Utah in the mountains did you find it good oh it's phenomenal it's the size of a like a iPad you just set it down on the ground you get highspeed internet it's incredible we're spending just to show you we're spending a trillion dollars to get tables all over the country right up to Upstate areas where you have like two farms and they're spending millions of dollars to have talk about the 42 billion doll that was wasted on this Internet access program the United they didn't get anybody access inter they haven't hooked up one person yet not one person they spent $42 billion they could have gotten starlinks to everybody with that kind of money for almost nothing yeah for a monthly charge and it would have been incredible and it's high speed internet everywhere you want to go and he wanted to do that and he wanted to do it how about this they they built uh the charger stations right in the Midwest Midwest they built eight of them they cost billion dollar that's like a gas pump right they built nine gas pumps except electricity comes out they spent n billion three of them don't work the whole thing there's so much waste I could I could sit here and tell you about things that that there's so much waste abuse and fraud oh there's yeah I'm I'm sure I mean I think everybody's aware of that now let's get back to ter when when you're talking about one of the criticisms of your Administration was with tax cuts and with tariffs you increase the deficit so was the Strate what was the strategy behind that and did you think it was going to increase the deficit uh by a substantial amount I okay we were ready to Ruck it was all you know I had a bad system we had horrible tax policy I made it great with a much lower tax rate so I took it from almost 40% down to 21% now I'm bringing it from 21 down to 15 but only if you make your product in the United States which is great people call me they said what a great idea nobody ever heard of that before I don't care if they make the product in Japan why should I give them so it's a 21 that at 21 in the first year we took in much more Revenue than we did at almost 40 think of that it inspired now we had other things too we we were able to get people to bring back their money you couldn't you couldn't bring back your money if you had money in Europe like apple apple had many billions of dollars outside they couldn't bring it there was no way to bring it back in uh the bureaucracy the documents the whole thing and also the tax was too high you know they wanted like half of it or something nobody's going to do that so they they leave their money in Japan and and they spend their money there that was part of what I did the money came pouring back in apple took in hundreds of billions of dollars they brought it back from overseas they brought it in so how does the deficit increase because of that so what happened is this we were ready to rock and roll and then we had the co thing and we had to focus on that and if we didn't give some businesses a hand that would have all you would have had a depression like in 1929 but we were ready to start we were going to we would have very shortly been paying off debt you know we have $35 trillion in debt and I'll never forget it we were it was talking about uh from you know the standpoint of being in office I'm in the Oval Office and I have John McLaughlin and Fabrizio they're two very good pollsters probably I don't know I would say the two best who knows but very good pollsters and we're starting to think about running for a second term and we had the greatest economy in history never has there been an economy like and you attribute that to lowering taxes tff two things and also I cut regulations more than anybody else and if I asked many of the businessmen you know from the big companies you know the guys running the big companies I'd say so if you had your choice you've had it now for a long time what's more important to you the tax cuts you paid less tax or the regulation Cuts every one of them said the regulation Cuts meant more who would think that right because you don't equate it to dollars but it actually is more dollars um we had going and then we just had to focus on something else but they were sitting there these two these two pollsters were sitting there and they said sir if George Washington came back and Abraham Lincoln was his VP as opposed to waltz how bad is he by the way but if Abraham Lincoln was his VP they couldn't beat you you have and I'll never forget it the following day they said something's happening in China sir could we meet I said what's happening people are dying and it was all around the Wuhan lab by the way there are pictures with little lines their body bags all around the Wuhan lab and I always said that from the beginning Joe was you know they tried to say first they said it was France and you know they blamed everybody but then they say it was bats from a cave 2,000 miles away so we got hit with that and despite that we had the best economy and when I gave it over the stock market was higher than it was preo I mean nobody could even believe it but we saved it and we were helping businesses they were dying you know they were D so it's your belief that if you had a second term given the policies in place the way the economy was booming that you would have been able to pay off a lot of the debt and that we didn't have Co we would have been paying off debt and we would have had and don't forget by growth the word growth is actually more important in a way because you could have the same debt but if you double your growth all of a sudden you're under levered but still we should pay off debt you know if you view this um $35 trillion right now it's a lot but if you look at the asset value if you looked at it purely as an asset value we have oil underground we have water we have mountains we have the I mean the assets are so enormous but regardless of that we've got 35 trillion in debt we should pay it off and we would have started paying off debt and probably even giving further given further tax reductions I want to get it down to 15% we're going to do more business but when you get hit with a CO everything stops and you have to keep these businesses alive the businesses were dying I mean they were just dying this whole place this country was going to die are there influences um outside of environmental that keep people from wanting to drill for oil and Frack and and do those sort of things outside of the environmental concerns which are legitimate of course no I but are there other influences that maybe over accentuate or OV exaggerate these environmental effects are are people being influenced in a way where they're trying to keep us from producing American Oil yeah yeah so the environmental is the biggest tool for stopping growth the biggest tool the other is regulation and if you speak to Elon he to the regulation now to send a rocket up to anywhere even if you do everything it's it's almost it's becoming impossible but they use environmental in order to get people not to do anything and sometimes I say you know I look at some of the I know the environmental stuff better because I had to build buildings in New York I had to build I had to do environmental impact studies and I would see some of these guys that i' hire for a lot of money environmentalists that would get you through the process and they' be up in Albany that's the capital of New York and they're up they're trying to make it tougher for guys like me that were Builders because they'd get ba paid more money in other words I I had one guy uh highly recommended all you know I was good at getting permits I was one of the kings of I was always very good but the environmental stuff was always horrible they could slow a project down 10 years 15 years I had a project in Louisiana built big LG plant it was uh for 14 years it was going to cost1 18 million $18 billion one of the biggest like the Empire State Building laying down on the side times four massive in the coast on the Gulf Coast and they said sir are they're going to give it up I said that they shouldn't give it up what's the problem they can't get their environmental they had environmental permits that would fill this whole room up to the ceiling and they said there was one mistake on one little line they wanted to do it all over again it's not going to happen and I got them their permit instantly and they built the plant it's massive so when you're saying that so there's there's people that are making money by making it difficult are you talking about lawyers because they're dring about environmental consultants and lawyers environmental Consultants profit off of dragging out the process absolutely and process worse how do they i' probably do the same thing about with them to be honest with you you I want to be honest with you how do they do that how do they make it they go let's say New York they go to Albany okay and they convince people that if you have a certain type of plant on the ground that's this big and in theory valous that it's a rare plant and you cannot ever even touch it you can't go near it you can't put a building on it you can't do anything or there's a little puddle and they call it a lake and you have to go by the standards of a lake I said no no that's a puddle oh you have no idea guys are filling a little puddle you have no idea what they do and they use it as a way to stop you they use it as a way to stop you and also as the way to generate money I'm I'm curious how how are they generating money that way though well they get fees they get fees massive fees and you pay these guys people rely on them as experts because they're the people that they go to when they have to run these studies in the first place but some of them are just bad guys and they're trying to make it more and more difficult and they have a lot of power uh yeah I I think they maybe had more they didn't have as much with me because because I would get through them and I understood it look I've had I've done so many envir they call it environmental impact study I did so much to build a building to build a building in New York is very tough you got to be very you got to deal with think of it financing unions uh all the municipal stuff environmental of all of it to me the toughest thing was the environmental because they could stop you cold with the environmental impact study stuff and and you deal you hire a so-called expert they say sir he's the one guy he can get you through the morass it's a morass it's horrible they use it as a weapon they use it all over the country right but there are legitimate concerns about environmental impact correct like look about the BP oil spill there's a lot of things that do happen that are environmentally devastating and you want to mitigate that as much as possible you do look I I had during our four years we had the cleanest air in the cleanest water I view it differently I say air and water remember this it costs much more to do things environmentally clean China doesn't do anything right when Carrie goes to see uh president Chia China which he probably doesn't even get to see him but they look at him oh yes yes we will do oh yes yes we're going to do that no more coal no more coal just and then they approve 58 coal plants for the next you know every they build a coal plant a week okay they build a lot of coal plants we but let me just say though so here we are cleaning and scrubbing everything and everything the's got to be pure but in 3.8 days that stuff floating over China is right over the top of us right same thing with the oceans they dump their garbage into the Pacific Ocean if you take a little Cork and put it there in about a week and a half it'll be in front of Los Angeles we're picking up their garbage so nobody ever talks about that but in a way the bigger one is even the air it's occurrence it's an amazing thing it's been flowing that way for a million years so long before we share with the whole world yeah no if we're the Sahara dust clouds over here absolutely we get dust clouds in Austin from the Sahara desert but we get the China you know they call it the China curse we get the China curse they're better and their air is dirty you know when I went there uh I had a great relationship with President she we got along very well and they treated me better than anybody has ever been treated same thing with Saudi Arabia number of them but they laid it out and I said this air is good do you know they closed every Factory one week before I got there from within 200 miles that's like what Gavin Nome did when XI Jing ping came to San Francisco he cleaned it up he got rid of all the terrible in away to think you know he cleaned it up and then it became a pigi well the dumbest thing is he said when your friends come by when you have visitors you clean up your house like how about just keep your house clean can you imagine that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard anybody say ever as a governor as to excuse to why you finally cleaned up your homeless problem and the day he left right back to it went right back yeah but in a way that was a bad thing that he did because he showed what a disgrace that was what a disgrace well this is the thing that like shows you how foolish a lot of these people that are running these cities think a lot of these people that are running these states think it's it's foolish like you you're insulting the intelligence of the people that live in that City that are impacted by these people just camping and needles and human feces there's a an app that you can buy there's an app that you can get rather that will show you where the human feces has been documented in San Francisco it's a poo app and it's just everywhere it's just bum crap everywhere but let let me give you one that you may not know okay which I think you know everything actually as a student as a student of yours but but water you know in Los Angeles you can't get proper amounts of water right and it's unbelievably expensive and you might have a house in Beverly Hills and they're actually thinking about rationing water can you believe it I can believe it I was in I was in the farm Court country with some of the congressmen were driving up a highway and I say how come all this land is so Barren it's farmland and it looked terrible it was just Brown and bad I said but there's always that little corner that's so green and beautiful they said we have no water I said do you have a drought no we don't have a drought I said why don't you have no water because the water isn't allowed to flow down it's got a natural flow from Canada all the way up North water more water than they could ever use and in order to protect a tiny little fish uh the Water up north gets routed into the Pacific Ocean millions of millions of gallons of water gets poured you get to see this we're driving up and I had never seen it before it's the most it's like Iowa it's the most fertile land Iowa was blessed with great land Idaho for a potato right but these they they're just by the way you know some land is good for a potato some land is good for corn it's the craziest thing I love the farmers that great they're the greatest and by the way they're getting killed right now they they're getting killed because of this stupid Administration but so I see this and I said you got to be kidding I said you mean you have water and I looked at it it's like a valve in your sink except it's massive the thing's five times taller than your ceiling did you know the center of California was a giant Lake they have so much water you ever see what it looks like before they rerouted saw that the center of California like what is it 200 years ago how long ago did they do that Jamie the the center of California had a enormous Lake in the middle of California so they dumped it into the Pacific who knows what they did but what whatever foolishness that they did led to the situation that they're in now think of those dry forests that burn down all over the you know the head of Austria said t lake or Tachi Lake uh it's a freshwater lake in the Southern sanen Valley United States historically uh T Lake was one of the largest freshwater lakes West of Mississippi show a photo of what it looked like back then it's a great system so that's what it looked like look at that image now the one go to the one on the third from the right yeah yeah that was an enormous Lake in the middle of California imagine that that' be much more valuable property how crazy is that but how crazy is that's what it used to look like and human beings screwed that up no they let it go into the Pacific and then they I don't know what they did what did they do that why did how did it go missing said they drained 83 yeah they drained it 19 1983 oh my God it went dry a hand full of times oh went dry a handful of times well you know Lakes do go dry but that's a big one but think of it big one to go you could have all of the water you need all of that land would have more water the whole thing could be like that little patch lit literally I'd say I was with Devon nun as a congressman and other Congressman we were going up I was visiting that because they asked me to go up and visit their territory and I did but I kept saying look at this land it's beautiful but it's so dry and I thought they were going through like a desert like a drought they said no we have water but it gets so I looked into it what is the fish and I got it done I got got it done I could have water for all of that land water for your Forest you know your forests are dry as a bone okay dangerous that water could be routed you know you could have everything oh not only dangerous billions of dollars a year they spend on forest fires and you know there's a case with the environment they're not allowed to rake their Forest because you're not allowed to touch it when a tree foils down after 18 months it becomes very dry it's like you know like real firewood it's bad you know a tree that's these are all things I learned the hard way the easy way but when a tree is up it sucks water it's wet I went to that the hor they had a couple of horrible forest fires in California and I went I said you know you got a lot of trees standing yday were healthy trees sir I said with this intense heat they you could see they were charred a little bit on the bottom but they were going to be all right because they're soaking wet because they suck up the water right but when they fall right they're like you know it's like lighting a match yeah and you got to be able to clean they call maintain your Forest so I was with the head of Austria he said you know it's a shame I see all those forest fires in California and all they have to do is clean their Forest meaning rake it up get rid of the leaves get rid of you know leaves that are sitting there for five years and then we certainly get rid of the Dead Fall and get rid of the trees t