Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. >> So, what did you think about the whole UFO thing before you got in office? >> Um, so I actually had when I was stationed at Portland Air National Guard, my job there was an airfield manager. So, I would interface and work a lot with the F-15 pilots at the unit. And so, um, there had been an airspace incursion that had taken place when I was still at the time at the Guard and I remember kind of talking to some of the pilots about it and I was like, "What was that?" And they're like, "Eh, we can't really talk about it." And no one really wanted to address it. And so from what I had gathered, that had been likely a UAP. Um, and so that kind of was my perspective. Granted, I also grew up in the generation of the X-Files and you know, I don't know if you remember 94 Independence Day. So like for me specifically, I didn't look at it with like a crazy lens and perspective. I'm like, you know, you you never know if you know we're the only ones out there essentially. >> But why did you assume that if it's a top secret incursion that he couldn't talk about that it wasn't just a military craft from another country? >> Because of the way that he was discussing it. >> How did what did he say? >> So he had been um he didn't want to from what I gather taken off flight status and he's like I really can't discuss it. um we couldn't really like identify it essentially and it had outperformed them. And so that was my first from a military perspective kind of experience with someone who basically you know there's a stigma within the flight community. Um do you want to lose your security clearance? Um what you know is there this level of crazy that people kind of brand that will stick with you and kind of ruin your career. >> But doesn't he have instrumentation on his jet? well, at the time, right? So, an an older platform, but he really didn't want to even talk about it. And I bring that up because now with our investigation and the task force that I run, actually the reason why the task force was formed was because of a event that happened at Eglund Air Force Base where both myself, Representative Mates and Representative Tim Burchetta actually had responded and gone to investigate mult multiple Air Force pilots that had come forward in regards to UAP incidences that had occurred and they were alleging that the Air Force was covering it up. >> Interesting. >> Yeah. So that was that and like I'm happy to go into detail on that one but what I will tell you is the stuff that I saw at Eglund how the military responded me being you know a former service member and then ultimately what I saw with the the push back of the military not even wanting to share with Congress information which is a big problem because when you have Congress that's supposed to be the advocate and voice for the American people the oversight body and you're being denied access not just from a base commander but high level up at the Pentagon even secretary of defense it's a problem. Do you think that it's possible that these are US vehicles that are top secret? I definitely think that there's a level of advanced technology that the US government has and I think that that that tech can be housed within the defense contract realm and of course some information is going to be classified but I can also tell you and this might sound crazy but based on our investigations and stuff that we've seen okay there is definitely something that I think would rival what we know currently with physics and a tech that potentially is out there that we don't have the ability to reproduce because it would basically be like dropping a cell phone cell phone right off back during the time of maybe caveman's. So like we just don't have the tech to develop it yet. What I can also tell you is based on our interviews and this has been something that you can go back and watch with the congressional hearings but I was actually able to ask some of the witnesses you know what are these things and they keep saying interdimensional and then when you talk about the interdimensional aspect of you know are these things pre-existing maybe outside of what we currently know as our own dimension. Um, that stuff can kind of all sound crazy, but at the end of the day, you know, my job as an investigator is to receive all the information, decipher it, and then ultimately from a congressional aspect, if you do have contractors that are withholding information or operating outside of the purview of the federal government, I mean, there's budgetary issues, but there's definitely something that I can tell you with confidence that exists that we don't know how to explain currently. >> So, when you say that it operates outside our understanding of physics, what specifically are you saying? like what what happened >> to to I guess break it down in simple terms is that I think that some of the tech that exists that whatever these things have these energy things have um >> energy things you mean >> well they call them inter interdimensional beings I think that they can actually operate through the time spaces that we currently have and that's not something that I came up with on my own that's based on stuff that we've seen that's based on information that we've been told and then also too I think that there's this historical aspect of you know this gets into the deeper theories and concepts of religion and and I think the history that we currently know and and that kind of spins off into another topic of you know you have the modern day Bible you have this aspect of Bibles that or books of the Bible that have been removed that explain and kind of touch on these topics and I think that we're in a time and age where you have such a a vast amount of information that we have access to via social media, via your cell phone, via the internet. And so it's really changing the way that we understand, you know, the origins of life and and the spiritual reality that we know. >> When you say interdimensional beings, that they know that these are interdimensional beings. How do they know that? >> That so um based on testimony would be based on witnesses that have come forward. But what I can tell you, so the witnesses just were told that they were in that they've that they've seen things and what I can tell you without getting into classified conversations um is that there have been incidences that I believe where very credible people have reported that there have been movement outside of time and space >> that's very vague. >> Yeah. So look unfortunately. >> Yeah. Yeah. Look um have I seen a portal open? No. Have I seen a spaceship personally? No. Have I seen evidence of this? Yes. Have I seen photo documentation of aircraft that I believe were not made by mankind? Yes. Is there historical significance to this? Yes. Is there multiple events that go back to, I would argue, maybe even before the time of Christ that have documented this in text? Yes. So, do I believe that the government has access to certain technology? Yes, to an extent. And I believe that certain contractors potentially have backgineered this tech. I think that that's what can explain the advancements that we're seeing. But I also believe that this is a dangerous level of hidden information from the American people because if you have an aspect of the federal government, which I can tell you I with two other members of Congress were denied access to information at Eglund Air Force Base pertaining to whistleblowers because of the fact and we can get into that story on what happened at Eglund in a second, but we were denied access and told that we don't have security clearance or the readin authority on a special access program. That's a problem because I'm supposed to represent and be an investigative body and you have then people who are unelected that are operating basically in secrecy. Um and and that's a problem. That's a big problem. >> And so how do these people have the authority to do that? >> I think it's been decades of classified secret information then also this aspect of the intelligence community that's been empowered. And it's kind of serendipitous with timing because when you talk about the intelligence communities and what they've done essentially to the trust in this country with the American people, I think this goes all the way back even into JFK um with how they basically have operated outside of the purview of Congress and and basically to an extent have gone rogue up until recently. You're seeing a big push and pull to try to reign in these intelligence agencies currently. >> Yeah. So what I want to bring it back to evidence. You said that you've seen evidence like what kind of evidence have you seen? >> I have seen photos. I have seen um >> what have you seen photos of? >> So, I was in a skiff and I can't discuss all that was in a skiff, but what I can tell you is based on the photos that I've seen, I'm very confident that there's things out there that have not been created by mankind. It seems crazy that people have access to information that shows that there's something outside of us that is more intelligent, at least more capable than we are, and they hide it from everybody else. What I can tell you is that when you have thousands upon thousands of people around the planet throughout time that have reported something, >> right, >> to say that those people are crazy, to say that, you know, the whole concept of even just asking the question that you might not necessarily be psychologically sound, >> that in itself, you know, that's a disinformation campaign to get people to shut up about it. And that's that's a problem. We know that the US government has not exactly been clean and a lot of what they've done with the American people specifically to the topic of UFOs. You have >> which makes you think that it's probably because there's something there. If you think about the motivation they had with Project Blue Book >> when Jay Allen Heinik was running Project Blue Book, this specific intention was to discredit all stories. >> And he ended up ultimately though after all of his investigations becoming someone that was like, I think those are something cute. But that that's true. Um, by the way, a lot of people might not necessarily go on to Google and look up that information, but you can actually look up the declassified reports from Project Blue Book. What's also interesting though is when we're talking about tech, right, the ability for this tech being that it exists to change dependence for entire governments on things like fossil fuel, etc. You know, it's um, look, I think everyone has a moral obligation to do what they think is right. Okay? And so if you're in a position of power and you see something wrong and you're not addressing it, I think you know this in itself getting the truth out there for people to decide for themselves. I'm not telling you what to believe. I'm just telling you in our investigations and what we are pushing for in regards to transparency. I would like to see the federal government roll out some of the stuff that we've been given access to because I think that that information belongs in the hands of the American people. And it's not even just the US government. I mean there's other countries around the world that have done certain things like this. Now, look, I've had a lot of crazy people show up at my office and say, you know, I like I've heard it all. Yeah. I've been to Mars. Um, you know, I have a chip in my brain, all this stuff. >> They all have chips. >> We had this one guy that showed up that was like trying to give us a USB. He's like, put this in your computer. They're going to kill me for this. Like runs away. >> And I'm like, I'm not putting that in my computer. But based on our investigations, what I will tell you is, you know, there's been um two members of Congress that are actually helping to lead out these investigations with me. And the reason I say that is because up until last Congress, if you even said the word UAP or UFO, people actually told us that if we went forward with these investigations that we were going to ruin our political careers. And so, you know, we're in the mindset of, well, like why wouldn't we ask these questions? And also too, if no one wants to touch it, like there has to be something here, right? >> Right. And so in these investigations, I mean, the amount of people that will come up to us, very successful people to multiple members of Congress that believe the same thing, it's definitely changed in regards to the stigma that used to exist about disclosure and all this. And so what we're trying to do currently was there's a big documentary that was filmed about a year and a half ago and we're trying to get a screening up on Capitol Hill. But look, I I think a lot of people say, "Well, this is a distraction from everything else happening in the country right now." And all I'm simply trying to say is it's not a distraction. the people that are kind of helping to divulge all this information. You have an intelligence community, you know, Tulsi Gabbard, Radcliffe, Cash Patel, they they have been truly in regards to our other investigations extremely transparent and wanting to get this information out. But it doesn't mean that within these intelligence communities, there isn't push back. And so part of the reason why the task force was formed pertaining to things like UAP, pertaining to things like the Jeffrey Epstein stuff, pertaining to things like um the JFK, MLK, and RFK investigations is because even though we don't hold declassification authority, what we're trying to do is push these agencies and be, if you will, the pit bull and the attack dog on trying to get this information released. And to a lot of these agencies credits, they've been extremely transparent and we have gotten wins specifically on the JFK stuff and we're still looking to declassify and ask specifically on the UAP topic. What would be the rationale for keeping a photograph of a known ab absolute not of this world craft from the American people or from the world? Why why would anybody think that that would be the smart thing to do is to limit the access of that information to a very small amount of people? I think that part of the fear is is that you have advisers that think that you know um the American people or humanity might not be able to handle it quite there's this like >> protective complex but then also too I think when you are talking about these things for a lot of people I think that it kind of can rock your world a little bit in regards to where you stand in a faith perspective and then also too um an aspect of well how do would even begin to explain it. And all I'm going to say is, look, um, and we can go into some of the books that were removed from what we know as the modern day Bible. But I read through the book of Enoch multiple times, and I'm not saying that these things are angels. Okay? That's that's not at all what I'm saying. But what I am saying is that depending on where you are in regards to your whole perspective on whether or not God exists, like I believe in God, I'm a Christian. Um, there has to have been and there's admissions that there was other creations that God made, but that we were the most prized creation. And so I think that this can open up a bigger topic of discussion. What I will say is that what's been interesting is, and I've had a mass array of people that have come in, right? Like we have people that come in that claim that you can use this ability to basically dog whistle these things in from a like a psychic ability. >> Yeah, I've heard people say that. And I think that there's some something there. Otherwise, they wouldn't necessarily be able to provide some of the video evidence that they have, but then that also brings up the question of if these things are interdimensional, which we've had witnesses testify to to members of Congress and that was all publicly out there. Um, that would then bring up the whole, well, if this is really transcending dimension, the power of what you say, thought, all of that. And then you know you can look into our own government's declassified documents that the CIA had on different experiments. I mean you can literally last week I was going through actually on a Friday night just put my son down and I was going through some of the declassified you go to cia.gov/reading room and you can see all the declassified documents and so I believe it was called Stargate and it was talking about you know the basically psychological experiments where they were trying to basically remote view and all that. Why would our own government be looking into that if if there wasn't something there? And so I'm I'm appreciative to all that information being publicly out there. But I think this whole idea and stigma of trying to make it sound crazy when people actually have these questions that needs to stop, which is why the task force is in existence. And then also too, they need to release information. >> Um, if I was going to play devil's advocate, I would say that the government would look into that to find out if there's anything there. And that would probably take a long time if they're really being careful. So, if I was going to fund a program, if someone told me that there's some people in Russia that can remote view military sites in America, I'd be like, "Are you sure?" And like, "Yeah, yeah, there's a technique involved and we know the technique. Uh, and we want to fund some sort of a study to see if we can do it." I'm like, "Let's go. What do you need?" Cuz if maybe it's real. >> So, I don't buy that they wouldn't spend money on it unless it's real. I say they would spend money on it to find out if if you're really looking out for national security, right? you've got 300 plus million people that you're responsible for. You got to dot your eyes and cross your tees and like if if if I'm, you know, if I'm good at my job and I'm not an egoomaniac, I'm going to go maybe there's some [ __ ] I don't know, >> you know? >> Well, there's there's looking into it and then there's expanding, right? And so if you look at all those declassified files, you know, you can pull up and this is just wild, but there's one where I was looking through and they had basically, you know, the Coast Guard had called in. there was a ship that they had been given information on that was running drugs. And so they called in one of their remote viewers and they're trying to give coordinates coord uh coordinates of the ship and actually like basically locate these things. And I actually was laughing because I was reading this off the website and I'm telling my husband I'm like imagine you know you're trying to run drugs and then all of a sudden you have some like weirdo at Langley or like in a basement they're like no d like did you do use coordinates you know be me up Scotty but >> yeah I don't know if they write things down or type them out or what but I talked to Hal Putoff about it and he said they used it to to very specifically find the location of a downed Russian craft within like a couple kilometers which is nuts if you think about the area where this thing crashed. It's like remote wilderness in the middle of nowhere. Russia hadn't found it yet. >> Apparently, we found it first according to how put off. It's just because I haven't done it and because I don't know that it's real doesn't mean it's not real. And that's this is a problem with people. They they don't want to get duped and they don't want to look stupid. They want don't want to look naive. And so they dismiss things. They dismiss that there there might be frequencies that you don't tune into all the time and someone might get really good at that and they might be able to see things remotely. This episode is brought to you by the farmer's dog. I think we can all agree that eating highly processed food for every meal isn't optimal. So why is processed food the status quo for dog food? Because that's what kibble is, an ultrarocessed food. But a healthy alternative exists, the farmer's dog. They make fresh food for dogs. And what does it look like? Real meat and vegetables that are gently cooked to retain vital nutrients and help avoid any of the bad stuff that comes with ultrarocessing. 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The telepathy tapes, non-verbal autistic kids are exhibiting telepathy. you know, this concept again, if you were to talk about it 20 years ago, people will call you crazy. But, you know, I think based on what we're seeing now, based on the fact that our own governments looked into it, um, based on the stuff that you were saying, I mean, you can find all this information publicly available and it's out there and and I think that there's something to it. And so, you know, we're seeing and we've heard this is in non-classified settings. We've heard from people that have come forward that are saying, you know, we're being able to via meditation. We're essentially like downloading information. We can communicate with these things. Granted, you know, when I'm sitting in my congressional office and I'm hearing this, I take it with a grain of salt because we do get a lot of crazy people. But when you have people that are highlevel executives, very successful, cleancut, not on drugs, are coming in and they're telling you this stuff and then, you know, you're kind of cross refering cross-referencing it with various people in intelligence agencies. I just I think that there's something there and we need to be at least open to hearing the discussion and the argument for these things. >> Oh, for sure. I mean, like I said, if there's a photo out there, I think you owe humanity a service. You You're supposed to release that photograph. There's no reason why a small group of people in the government should have photoconclusive evidence that aliens are real. >> And there's a and there's an overclassification aspect of this too, right? Like if you're serving in the military and you're taking a photo on your personal device or a video on your personal device, that shouldn't be the purview of the federal government. in either which way. I mean, there's been now so much stuff. There's granted, there's been a lot of fake stuff put out there, but the stuff that is legitimate that we are seeing, the stuff that we had people testify to in our congressional hearings, I mean, that's not a joke. And what's even more interesting to this is that I was actually able to talk to David Gush, who now is actually working with the task force to kind of chase down a lot of these leads in regards to some of these contractors that allegedly have this tech. Right. So, in talking with him, um, again, not in a skiff, we were able to actually flush out that prior to him testifying that he actually received very real threats against his life and his wife, his wife's life. Um, he's a sound guy. And then shortly after he testified, this was there's this massive smear operation that was launched against him to try to discredit his testimony. And so, you know, again, going into, well, if this stuff wasn't real or if he wasn't telling the truth, why would there be this massively orchestrated effort to, you know, um, completely just disprove what he was trying to say or to discredit his actions in his testimony? And so, it is kind of coming full circle, right? Going back to what the task force has been able to find out. I mean, we're conducting these investigations simultaneously and we're doing this in addition to everything that we um to everything else that we have to do as members of Congress, right? So, although I would love to just dedicate my full time and attention to this, we still have to balance it out. And so, I've again had some great investigators who are working with us on oversight as well as a lot of cooperation from the intelligence agencies. And we are going to be asking for this information to be declassified, at least information that has been showed to us. I think the first break in the wall was that 2017 New York Times report where they were talking about it in logical sensible language that these things might be from another world. But I think that movie that you're discussing which is the age of disclosure, right? >> Yeah, I haven't seen it. Have you seen it? >> It's very good. Yeah, it's very good. It's very good. And it doesn't even have any like UFO footage. I mean, maybe like a little bit, but >> it's just testimony. >> It's just testimony. And at the end of it, you kind of draw this conclusion like, "Oh, this makes sense." Like this. What they're essentially saying is one of the problems is if they have been funding these secret programs, then for all these years they've been misappropriating money. >> Oh yeah. And they've been lying to Congress. And that's super illegal. >> Very illegal. But you know, illegal. Is Congress going to do anything about it? Because it's not the first time. Like we have the abil and this is the most frustrating thing. So, as a this is my second term in Congress now, but as a first term member of Congress, you know, when you Joe, when you get elected to Congress, you would think that they would bring you in and they'd say, "Okay, this is how you do the legislation." No, you get elected, you show up to kind of a crash course for about like a week and a half on, you know, how to not get in trouble with ethics. And then you're basically wind and dine by lobbyists. They don't actually tell you how to do the legislation. Basically, the only rules that you're told are never vote down a rule, which is a procedural motion to bring legislation to the floor, and don't really ever vote against your party. of which within the first week I broke both rules and so I was on the naughty list uh per usual. But the thing is that >> they tell you how to do it. That's kind of crazy. >> Well, they tell you basically those are the two rule two rules and and don't go against that and you won't have any issues. >> Those are big ass rules though. >> Yeah. Cuz it's like you know you're supposed to represent your constituency. So if you have people calling your office saying don't you vote for this and then you vote against it. It's like people forget that you're supposed to represent right representative instead of just do what the party wants. But you know there is there are mechanisms that have existed since Thomas Jefferson who wrote our damn rule manual that enable us to actually pass legislation and actually hold agencies and people accountable from a punitive perspective. And um I don't know if you were tracking but like I brought a vote on the former attorney attorney general for basically refusing to testify to Congress and respond to a subpoena. And that was called inherent contempt. And a lot of congress was like what the hell is inherent contempt? It hadn't been done since the early 1900s and I actually read it in the rule manual and I read the rule manual twice. So it's like so crazy what happens when you read books but we were able to find this out and it was a mechanism that Congress can use to actually basically send the sergeant-at-arms to go arrest people. >> Gez. Okay. So, one of the things that this documentary was calling for that I think is the only logical way to solve this is a mass amnesty for these people that misappropriated money and >> or whistleblowers >> or whistleblowers. The the whistleblowers thing is crazy. Like they leave them alone. Like come on. Of course, everybody should [ __ ] know this stuff, guys. The real crime is you keeping this secret from humanity. That's the real crime. Okay? The other stuff is horseshit. It's just interpretations of what you're writing down on paper. You're making up rules. But if you ask the general public how they feel this should go. A rational normal person would say there's no [ __ ] way the defense contractor should be the only people who know that we're not alone. [ __ ] you. >> Especially when we're facing a massive deficit and you see that there like the Pentagon hasn't been able to pass the audit and I don't know how much. >> Yeah. All that stuff is great. Just for humanity. Just for humanity. That is a giant piece of information that no one should have. No one should secretly keep information that would change our entire perspective on our existence. >> It's it's um definitely wrong that it's happening for sure. What I will tell you though is the issue that we have with bringing forward legislation that would give mass amnesty and pardon to these people is that there are people within the intelligence community and within Congress on both sides that will try to if you come forward with this and I'll tell you a very prime example of this in a moment that they will block it. They don't want it to pass. They will stop it from even coming to the floor. They won't bring legislation that will address it because they want to keep this information secret. So rep uh Representative Tim Burchett before >> why do they want to keep the information secret? >> Because I think that their mouthpieces in control of the deep state and that that's a thing and it exists on both sides. Okay. >> So someone will come to them with marching point marching orders >> 100%. Uh, Representative Tim Burchett before I got elected was kind of on his own little island in regards to the UAP stuff and he will himself tell you that, you know, this is 100% like a thing and that these defense contractors and what he believes, you know, the Pentagon not passing off all this, these black budget programs, I mean, like he will tell you, he's again been leading out this effort way before I got there. um he had a piece of legislation that was supposed to enable the FAA to report and develop a different reporting uh different reporting procedure for UAP stuff. And at the time the chairman of Intel ensured that that legislation was not brought forward, that it was stopped. The piece of legislation that actually passed out of the Senate, it really had no teeth to it. And then Representative Burchett drew a primary challenger that was being backed by the chairman of Intel. And so you know when you are touching these c it's like you know that meme where you have that stork that's like don't touch this and then the little foot comes out. Yeah. >> It's kind of like what we're doing and it's not exactly easy because you will take heat from both sides. But there has a bit uh been a good group that's been assembled that's biccameal meaning it's both in the House and the Senate and bipartisan meaning both Democrats and Republicans are saying like hey this should actually happen. >> Are they publicly talking about not releasing the information or is all this stuff done in secrecy? It's done behind the scenes >> because if they had to do it publicly, if they had to announce their position on it publicly, it would be very damaging, I think, to anybody's political career on the right or the left, >> people would be pissed, right? >> Well, they're pissed because I'm pissed because if if they've had it for this long, I mean, if they really did recover something as early as 1947, excuse me. Well, what I can tell you is um for us specifically, we actually were made aware some people had come forward that said that they they wanted to brief. So about two years ago when all this kicked off, we had requested briefings from Arrow that's in charge of kind of compiling the investigative aspect of EAP stuff. And by the way, from the get-go, I like even in talking to Arrow, I was like, "This organization is literally a BS organization. They're never going to tell us anything." And every interaction that we had in the skiff, I was like, "This is a nothing burger." But then these people came forward and said that they were actually denied. They were told to not brief our group specifically on this topic and that it was from at the time members of House leadership, but they wouldn't say who. And so I actually went with another member of Congress and confronted multiple people and they all denied denying us access. So it's done behind the scenes. You'll see these random little troll blockages that might pop up. But what I can tell you is that with the new administration, specifically with the FBI, specifically with OD and II, we have gotten transparency to where previously we would have been stonewalled. We were actually um given briefings. And so what I will tell you is we are going to push for the information that we saw to be out there for the American people to see. So do you think that the whole idea of disclosure is maybe a multiplestep very agonizing frustratingly slow process rather than a big dump of all the information that they've had from Roswell to the the Aztec one to there's apparently there's a a whole slew I don't know if it's Aztec I forgot the name of it but there was another during that same time period there was a a really prominent UFO uh recovery thing that was not as publicized as the one in Roswell. The big mistake with the Roswell one was the newspaper printed it. >> And so then they had to backtrack and then they had to do the press conference where they had like some scattered pieces of a weather balloon that didn't look anything like a UFO. It was nothing. >> Yeah. But meanwhile, they flew the wreckage to Wright Field. They flew the the wreckage and Truman met them there supposedly. Well, I can tell you in our hearing, we actually notified and you can pull this up. Um, we were I think it was uh one of the witnesses had talked about what had happened at Vandenberg Air Base where there was this thing that appeared over the base. It actually had multiple blotters reporting on it from phone calls into law enforcement from like hundreds of people and whatever had appeared over the base was basically bigger than a football field and basically a cube, a red cube with some weird thing in the center of it. Um, I actually had our witness draw this out. this guy is sober as a priest. I mean, was a great pilot and he's talking about all this. And so, you know, you talk about this, it seems like a sci-fi movie, but based on the evidence that we've seen, I don't have any reason to believe that these people are lying. Based on the evidence that I've seen from our own government, I think that there's something there that the American people deserve to have access to. And so, I've been, this is not just on this topic, but again, in other topics as well. This has been my perspective is transparency is what builds trust. Other governments have revealed certain information on it. To think that we are the only, you know, life form on this planet in this galaxy, I think is a little bit crazy given, you know, the fact that I also think God exists and that there's other creations. But then again, you get into this aspect of, you know, why is it that you also have this aspect of, you know, a certain religion that has been very controlled and I think ruled out in a certain aspect. And you know, when you have certain books that are removed because they don't think that people should have access to this information or know it, you know, why remove a book from a Bible, right? >> Was did Wes Huff did did he touch on that? Did he talk about that? Are there people that don't believe the book of Enoch was really a part of the Bible? >> I don't remember how I don't remember how he discussed the missing books. >> Yeah, >> I think we brought it up, but I don't remember how. >> That's the guy to talk to. >> Yeah. So what from my >> that's I got to talk to you about you know what I mean because you have to really understand the history of the Bible to to be able to figure out what you like what's legitimate, what's not, why they put it into the New Testament. I had some very erroneous ideas about it until I talked to intelligent people that really really know the history of it and it's it's very strange stuff. >> Well, so from from what I gather and by by the way I'm not a theologian in any capacity, but just from my personal opinion on this. So you have the Ethiopian Orthodox text which has I think 88 books in the of the Bible um in total. But in the Ethiopian Orthodox text, it's basically kind of like a a mainline OG version of the Bible. And then sometime in the 4th century, there was actually a group that came together and they removed certain books. And the story goes uh that Revelations actually had replaced Enoch. And so it's interesting because when you're looking kind of full circle on, you know, you hear the stuff that some of these people are talking about and then you see and you read the book of Enoch, which is a wild read, okay? And then you look at kind of what our modern day description is of what angels and entities are versus what Enoch was seeing and reporting in his language and ability at that time. I just I think that there's a lot that brings you to then ask the question, well, why would they remove this information if it's truly, you know, written and and part of the oldest Bible in the world? Why would they then take it out and and water it down? And I'm not saying that you can't find God through the New Bible, right? Like everyone's on their own spiritual journey and I think everyone can pray and you can access God. But um I just find that very interesting. And so what I will say is that I like to have the whole kind of um picture in front of me. And so I feel like to fully understand A through Z, you kind of have to be able to read it. >> This is an ad for better help. The internet is a breeding ground for misinformation. And even a simple search for ways to get rid of a headache can produce millions and millions of results. From taking pain relievers to detoxes to medication to cold compresses, it's overwhelming. And even when you do find something that's true that works for other people, it might not work for you. In some cases, it's better to just ask a living, breathing expert. If you have a headache that won't go away, go talk to a doctor. 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Is there any debate about whether or not it was either fraudulent or discredited or something? >> The Book of Enoch. >> Yeah. >> Like why did they because Cuz I I know there was some kind of controversy that Wes Huff described. I just can't remember it. >> I don't I just looked through a transcript real quick. I didn't see you guys discussing Enoch. We're discussing Isaiah and then the Dead Sea Scrolls and stuff like that. I didn't see Enoch discussion. >> No, it must have been me. privately talking to him about something another video that I watched. Um the the the thing about like what Wes Huff does >> that's so interesting is like he he he really understands like the history of the text, the language in which they use the names in which they chose. And when he breaks it all, one of the things he told us that was the craziest was that the book of Isaiah was exactly the same in the Dead Sea Scrolls as it was a thousand years later. They found one that was a thousand years older >> and it was direct. It was word for word, verbatim. I'm like, that's bananas. A thousand-year-old story that's exactly the same written that they didn't know there was a version of it a thousand years ago and then they find it in these caves. It's nuts. It's really weird. >> I mean, really, really weird stuff. And the fact that this kid, you know, a shepherd kid was able to even find these scrolls that they were set up and, you know, just has led to that point right in time where he finds this massive >> basically admission that the Bible's real. Um, you can actually look into, you know, uh, there's the New King James and then you can actually look into the Catholic Bible as well that also has, they call them apocrypha texts because the King James Bible doesn't acknowledge them, but they're also other books that are not uh, considered, you know, approved by the King James. So, look, I was um on my mom's side, I was actually raised Catholic and then had my catechism, did all of it, and then on my dad's side, I was raised Christian and then later on Messianic Jew. And so, I feel like I kind of have like a good cross-section and I've been exposed to a lot of this growing up. But, um, it's definitely interesting. And so, look, I don't tell people like I'm not I'm not saying that like aliens created mankind. I don't believe that because I at the end of the day believe that God is responsible for our creation. But I do think that what we've been programmed to believe in regards to our ability to be able to use our mind, the spiritual aspect of us really does exist. And I think that once you kind of remove yourself out of this basically rat race and you can like really reconnect with that, I think that that's when you kind of realize, hey, there's a bigger purpose here in life and like what is our end objective? And if you're given a position of influence or position of power and you're not doing the right thing for humanity, you're not guiding people, then that's something that you have to answer for. So, I want to make sure that I'm good with God. >> I hear you. That's a lot. Um, I I think these stories, especially when you get to stories like Noah and the ark, and that these stories exist in basically every religion, they're real similar. They're real similar. I think all of these people are trying to document a truth. >> It's just what is that truth is what where it gets weird. And when it gets to like other gods and giants and giants created man and talks about. Yeah. Oh, I know. >> Which is crazy. >> I know. It's It's wild stuff. It's If it's legitimate, it's wild stuff. And then do you know anything about the Ethiopian church that supposedly has the Ark of the Covenant in it? >> Yeah, I've looked into that. I actually wanted to and again, >> you're you're in the government. You can like get something. >> So, I actually wanted to do a codeell to just but of course like we're focusing on other things right now. >> Send seals find that [ __ ] >> I was like I need to pay for this for myself. So, we're not using taxpayer dollars, but just go check it out. Um, what's interesting is the CIA allegedly located the Ark of the Covenant. I think the uh >> remote viewed >> they remote they remote viewed it. You can actually find that. You should actually >> No, not in Ethiopia, but it was in a Middle Eastern country. They weren't able to locate the actual I think the New York Post did an article on it where they actually had the handwritten notes on the Ark of the Covenant location and they remote viewed it. You should ask them to pull it up. Yeah, I'm serious about it. >> Did they go there and see if they >> I don't know. They did. I don't know. This is like Indiana Jones. Decades old CIA documents on Arc of the Covenant resurface amid classified group text bat. What? >> Wait, like >> it was a group text argument that caused this stuff to be >> check out pull up the New York Post one because they actually have the handwritten notes from the remote viewer that actually um documents it. >> Okay. >> It should be I think it's Yeah, like the New York Post. >> That's so funny. >> Oh, there you go. Top one. >> This is wild because it actually goes into descriptions of angels, too. And so actually if so in Enoch it talks about well if you if you scroll down now that's the you can probably click on the scribed because it'll show you all the documents from the actual declassified file. This is also on ca.com. >> What year was this? >> This happened recently. This was like a couple months ago that this just kind of came all out, >> right? But what year was this project? >> Uh 1988 >> five December 1988. >> Wow. >> So scroll down. >> So in 88 they found the arc of the >> allegedly. Allegedly they remote viewed it. We don't know if they followed up. Who's president back then? Reagan. >> Go down. >> Bush. >> Bush. >> Senior. Okay. So, scroll down and then you'll see that. So, this is like a there. So, they're going through in the notes. You have to read it, but you can scroll down. This is kind of >> So, this is he's like drawing where it is, >> the remote viewer. So, you have like the different things that are describing it. And if you keep going, you'll see like a cherubam. Keep going. >> It's like showing the peak of >> Wait, wait. Sorry. Go up a little bit. So, that's interesting because if you look into actual So, there's like a wheel text. Um, if you look into Enoch's description of angels and Ezekiel too, I think that that's kind of a tie, but go down more. So, but yeah, you have like the actual here purpose of container. They should have like a cherubin drawing somewhere down here. Oh, yeah. I see. So, that would be the seraraphim. Um, so it's the what >> the seraraphim >> how it's opened. >> Yeah. So, basically when they they describe the ark and so he's going through describing. So, these are the hand notes for it. And then it actually says that it's in a Middle Eastern country. Uh, the remote viewer describes the clothing in which individuals are in the area. I feel like I'm describing like an Indiana Jones movie, but this is actually from the CIA. >> This this image, scroll back to where that What is that thing? Is that the corner of the box? >> Oh, the covenant. Yeah, he's describing if you go up and these are actually the handwritten notes on what was described by the remote viewer. And you have to go through the entire document, but yeah, that's what's described surrounding the ark. >> Do you know what they asked him to find? >> Well, if Yeah, the ark of the covenant. They ask him to go look for the Ark of the Covenant. >> It's in if you go higher up in the documents, it's over there, >> right? But if you ask me to go look for the Ark of the Covenant, like I know what I'm looking for, right? >> Well, apparently these people in my head I draw what I think it's going to like, show me that they [ __ ] found it, you know? >> I don't I don't know if they did, but they >> I don't know if they did either, but it's like it's interesting, but it's not as interesting because you're saying, "Show me the Ark of the Covenant, right?" So, he's drawing what we all saw in Indiana Jones, >> or can you locate it? What year was that? That was before Indiana Jones. >> No, it have been under the same time period. Like >> when did Indiana Jones come out? >> Uh, what a great >> the '9s, right? >> I don't know. I'm thinking >> and like the first two are the best. >> Raise of the Lost Arc was the first one. That's the one. >> What year was that? >> 1981. >> Okay. So, >> precursor. >> So, that's seven years earlier. Everybody saw that movie a hundred times. You know what it looks like. You know what the arc looks like. So if I tell you go draw me the ark, where's it at? >> You think >> all we have is some scribbles on paper unless they actually went there and found it. >> Well, what's interesting and I I should probably ask Radcliffe like Radcliffe, can you tell me this? I never aren't. >> What are you saying, Jamie? >> It says the mission is to access and describe the target identified by coordinate and then there's coordinates. The tasking is to see mission statement. Training target is the Ark of the Covenant. >> So they did say, "Go find us the Ark of the Covenant." And then this dude apparently set it >> keep uh AOL to a minimum. What is that? >> I don't know. I saw that on the paper earlier. >> Uh have to be careful with editing though. This does not seem to be a problem at this time. Just something to watch for. Attained excellent site contact. Okay. >> Definitely interesting. >> Well, it's weird that they're talking about it like it's a real talent. Like some can actually do it. >> Mox mosque domes. >> Yeah. Target is in a container. This container is in another container. uh has another container inside of it. The target is fashioned of wood, gold, and silver. The target is similar in shape to AOL. Um so that's that something of location, right? Is that what it means? >> Area of location. >> Area of Yeah, that's it. Uh coffin and is decorated with the Saraphim C sketch. This target is located somewhere in the Middle East as the language spoken by individuals present seem to be Arabic. Well, wouldn't you want someone who could [ __ ] decipher Arabic to do this? >> We don't know how far it went. And I definitely have questions, but this would not be the first time that a government would have looked for something, especially because people theorize that the Ark of the Covenant had these abilities as a super weapon. >> I know, but I'm saying like the remote viewer is limited by his ability to understand the language. Stop. Stop. Scroll back up, please. Yeah, right there. So somewhere in the Middle East, visuals of surrounding buildings indicated that the area that uh the presence of mosque domes, individuals in the area were clothed in virtually all white, had black hair and dark eyes. One figure I honed on wore a mustache. The target is hidden underground, dark and wet were all aspects of the location of the target. See, the the only problem I ever have with these things is if these places are all controlled by terrorists and it's all, you know, dictators and crazy people over there, if they found out that the ark was there, they would [ __ ] take it. >> Well, I think there's this aspect of if you look at from a biblical perspective, no one would be able to access it anyways because it would be protected, right? That's what the Bible says. >> Um, it says here too, cannot be opened until the time is deemed correct. >> Oh, Jesus. Once the time to open the container, the mechanisms of lock systems will be found to be fairly simple. Individuals opening the container by prying or striking are destroyed by the container's protectors. >> Well, it's interesting is remember in the Bible always talks about how there had to be >> through the use of of a power unknown to us. >> They melt you. >> Yeah. >> Well, so they had to, you know, go through the spe special process of being considered, you know, holy basically to access it. All that to say that there's something out there, right? I think that obviously God's real and this job has definitely um you know, put me in a position to where we're able to help get other truths out there, if you will. And >> you need to get the truth of that thing out there. They need to find out like director would change if you found the actual arc of the covenant >> and you could explain a lot of things like look if these Ethiopians have it which Graham Hancock believes >> allegedly they do. >> Yeah. Graham Hancock believes that they do and he said that these guardians they all get cataracts and they die of like radiation poisoning. >> I mean there's something to be said about the Ethiopian people as a whole and going back to the Ethiopian Orthodox text. Actually, when I first launched this task force, I actually went and I met with a Ethiopian Orthodox pastor, if you will, just to kind of see and explain and ask questions um that I can't exactly go to, you know, the Smithsonian and ask. And, you know, his response was interesting, especially from their perspective. You know, you have a lot of this aspect of, I think, religion that tries to be doom and gloom. And then in the Ethiopian perspective, he's like, "First of all, your timeline's wrong." And I'm like, "What do you mean your timeline?" like well the the biblical text in modern day Christianity it's it's a little bit off right so we use a completely separate I think it's a 364 days out of the year and he's explaining all of it and he's like but even then so you know um we don't have the perspective of you know we are in the end of days etc but you know the way his perspective just seemed very um optimistic as opposed to pessimistic and and filtering and controlling information all that >> he's probably not online >> he's off X. >> He's off X. He's off Tik Tok. >> Yeah, he's not subjecting himself. >> The New York Post thing about that says that the viewer was identified with the target and didn't know what it was and it ended up being the Ark of the Covenant after all that explanation they found. >> Oh, well that's much different. >> So that whole thing at the end of it was what they were saying it was when they wrote it on that report. >> Look at all the It's just a bunch of words they're putting together and like got >> hearing how put off talk about it. They're just >> Well, that's way more interesting if he didn't know what he was looking for and he found something that looked like the Ark of the Covenant. That's pretty crazy. >> They kind of like talk them on, right? They'll like give them something and say like, "Walk us through." >> I'm just doing devil's advocate cuz I have no skin in the game. I don't know if it's real or not real. I'm open to it. I think there's something going on. I think there's some more there's more going on with people than we let on. There's some some extra thing that's happening with with human beings, the way we're all connected to each other that we don't really totally understand. And I think the idea that you can access information that's not local, I don't think that's that weird. I think that might be an emerging aspect of human consciousness or an aspect of human consciousness that's atrophied >> or just an aspect of spirituality that we've previously forgotten because we're in such a digital age that kind of programs you into the rat race. And I think people the more that they're kind of like you know there has to be more to life than just like a 9 to5 >> and you know working for this aspect of materialism like don't get me wrong I like you know a nice car and a clean house and all that but you know there's also this aspect of you know being a human and like you know if you have kids I think that's like one of the things like I have you have a daughter I have um a son and it's like when you're a parent it kind of like makes you realize like wow there's this aspect of like love that I didn't know existed before and you can kind of really be there and help you know grow this next human and influence that person and it just kind of the human experience is something that you know you can make it as special as you want and this aspect of you know us being able to have those little quantum breadcrumbs is what I like to call them like have you ever have you ever been like talking about something and like you'll go somewhere hear something and there's like confirmation of what you've been talking about or you know something happens and you're like you know asking a question then all of a sudden it pops up kind of there's an answer and I think that those little things just mean you're on the right path and doing what you're supposed to do in this bigger Sure. >> Yeah. Well, that's a good way to live life if you believe that. It's healthy. It's smart. It's like a good strategy. I wonder like why some people seem to have like the idea of if it being an emerging aspect of human consciousness, our ability to like sense things and know things that are going to happen or premonition or or know if someone's a liar or a weirdo like instantly >> those I always wonder if I is it that or is it that we used to have that like before language that's all we that >> I think that before tech really evolved there was a bigger aspect of spirituality that actually talks about that. So like discernment in the Bible you can talk about you know this aspect of being people say like oh if someone has like really bad energy you picking up on it. There's something to that. Um but I think that because and it's really happened I think in the last like 40 years where people are kind of forgetting that but when you actually go back to like for example we're talking just now about the ark of the covenant the Ethiopian orthodox text and all this there's more of that aspect of spirituality that I think's been removed from society. I think it's actually taken away our ability to really respect one another and and value human life. And I think that that, you know, from like a political perspective influences decision like you get really pro-war people. Those people are usually not that spiritual and they really don't have a value for life in that aspect. >> Yeah. No, that's definitely a real thing. That's unfortunate that there's a >> and the fact that those are the type of people that always want to be in power. That's really scary. That's that's probably the scariest part of it. >> I have um I actually had a really ground bake a groundbreaking conversation. So like I the way I'll describe Congress is you ever have like a job where 80% of it 90% of it's just like really eating [ __ ] >> and then like the 10%'s like really cool >> and it makes up for that like 80 90% that you're just like I >> that's when I hosted Fear Factor. >> Okay. So yeah, that aspect of um I think really exists in politics if you like actually care. >> And I had a meeting recently where I was with two other members of Congress that were helping me with the JFK investigation. And we actually met for the first time since 1990 with the ambassador to the Russian government. And I bring that up because at the time of the JFK assassination, the U. KGB had actually come forward with their own independent investigation and they actually gave it at Kennedy's funeral to US officials. We never got those documents and it's my belief that the CIA actually destroyed that information and evidence because it would have confirmed what this the KGB and mind you at the time JFK was actually in talks with the president of Russia at that time and his perspective is that he actually wanted to do a joint mission between the US government and the Russian government to the moon and there were aspects and divisions within the intelligence community. You obviously saw the cold war was happening. They wanted war in Cuba. They wanted war with Russia. So for them to be able to say that Kennedy, who was not a communist, but that he was a communist sympathizer, and how dare he talk to these dirty communists, I mean, that in itself would have given them any ammunition to turn a blind eye or or at least not fully figure out who assassinated Kennedy. Um, but I bring that up to say that, you know, when you have these people in power, you know, you can see a lot of it in regards to there's a summit on the 15th actually with President Trump and Vladimir Putin. And I think the aspect of, you know, anytime you have peace and trade, it's way better than war for everyone involved, for the people of Ukraine, for Russia, for the American people. And I think for the surrounding regions, like I recently got back from meeting with government officials in Romania and Malddova. And it didn't matter if and I actually met an actual member of the Malddovven government who was a communist, like an outward communist. And it didn't matter who I talked to. Everyone wanted peace. And then when we had met with the European Parliament and the EU, some of them wanted peace, but then the countries that had the shittiest economies, excuse my language, they were the ones that were advocating for war. Well, you have a war- based economy, it always helps your economy. So, if you have terrible policy perspectives, obviously you would advocate for something like that. But it just goes to show that the people that are going through it, the people that are living it, that are directly impacted it, no one would advocate for war. And so in even just having this conversation, you know, a lot of people even, you know, two two admin or administration ago, maybe two administrations ago, probably would not have had that conversation. But to be able to develop that dialogue, the end result of that meeting was the Russian government agreed to release their investigation onto JFK that the previous congressional task force in the '90s had tried to obtain from the Russian government and they said no. So, they agreed to release that and they'll be posting it publicly for the American people to go through later on this fall. >> Have you seen it yet? >> I haven't. So, I'll be seeing at the same time everyone else has. >> What do you think is in there if you had a guess? >> So, when I was talking to the ambassador, he's actually a history buff, too. And so, he had actually said that the Russian government when um Oswald was actually in Russia had done a psychological profile because they thought, you know, they're like, is this guy part of American intelligence? Like, what's his story? And they thought he was basically nuts. And apparently he had he tried to go hunting um when he was out there and they were observing him and he couldn't shoot for [ __ ] So So they're like, you know, he didn't meet our psychological profile. Then then he shows up to the Russian embassy in Mexico City with a gun and they're like, "What the hell is this like crazy guy showing up at them? Like what's going on?" Um and then we find out simultaneously as this is all happening that the CIA kudos to Director Radcliffe had actually released something called the Joanites file. And George Donitius was actually he's basically our version of James Bond but more corrupt. And he was basically observing Oswald. He had lied to Congress. This was all in his file. He was then the CIA liaison to Congress during the investigations. Stonewalled their investigations. Was later awarded something from the CIA. So we have the CIA admitting that they lied to Congress, covered up the assassination attempt or covered up the uh investigations. We had admissions from the Warren Commission um uh people that had been subject to the Warren Commission's investigation saying that the Warren Commission engaged in witness intimidation. They omitted evidence. The single bullet theory never exists. The CIA admits that Lee Harvey Oswald was not a lone gunman. People ask, well, you know, does this mean that you'll ever get the name of who killed him? No, because I don't think the CIA was like, "Kill JFK on this day and use this gun and have this person assigned." But there was evidence of multiple shooters for sure. Well, there had to be multiple shooters. There's there's injuries. Like one of them was to the front of his neck. >> We had testimony to that. >> Yeah. >> And actually, uh, what's interesting is when we first launched the task force, we had left-leaning news outlets that were trying to write hit pieces saying that I was basically launching a conspiracy theory task force and they had to print the truth weeks ago. You can actually >> What is What is it about people that don't want to believe that some conspiracies are real? What what is it a comfort thing? Is it you think you're gonna erode trust in the government? Is it you just have such a rigid worldview and in your mind that there's always been Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. That's what happened. And because of that, anything that challenges your belief system you fight against. >> Well, specifically to JFK, for decades, the intelligence agencies were influencing what the print and press was doing >> 100%. until Haraldo Rivera, >> you know, when Dick Gregory brought that film on the Heraldo Rivera show and you got to see the Zapruder film and you got to see what looks like a shot that makes his head go back and to the lef
