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A 22-year-old Utah resident, Tyler Robinson, has been arrested for the assassination of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk, who was gunned down during a speech at Utah Valley University. The suspect was apprehended within 33 hours after a family member reported his confession. Investigators found evidence including shell casings with inscriptions like "Hey fascist catch" and "Oh Bella Chiao." Robinson, who attended the university on an academic scholarship, allegedly fired from a rooftop 200 yards away before fleeing on foot, ditching the bolt-action rifle along his escape route. The shooting, which took place on September 10th during a Q&A session, was captured on multiple videos and witnessed by approximately 3,000 attendees.
The Assassination and Immediate Response
On September 10th, 31-year-old Charlie Kirk, founder of Turning Point USA, was fatally shot while conducting a Q&A session at Utah Valley University. Kirk, a father of two and husband to Erika Kirk, was sitting under a tent engaging with an audience of approximately 3,000 people when the shot rang out. The bullet struck him in the left side of his neck, just above the collar line, causing catastrophic injury and immediate blood loss. Kirk was a minute and a half into the event, still answering audience questions before his planned speech, when the assassination occurred.
The shooting was captured on multiple cameras and cell phones, with footage appearing on social media within seconds. The immediate physiological response visible in the videos showed Kirk drawing his right hand up with his thumb appearing clutched, a neuromuscular response to neurotrauma. According to forensic analysis, the injury likely struck both the jugular vein and carotid artery, making survival nearly impossible even with immediate medical intervention.
The Suspect and the Investigation
Tyler Robinson, a 22-year-old Utah resident, was taken into custody at 10 p.m. local time on September 11th, less than 36 hours after the shooting. Robinson had attended Utah Valley University on an academic scholarship but only for one semester before leaving. The arrest came after a family member contacted the Washington County Sheriff's Office through a family friend on the evening of September 11th, reporting that Robinson had either confessed to or implied his involvement in the assassination.
Investigators identified Robinson through surveillance footage showing him arriving on the UVU campus at approximately 8:29 a.m. on September 10th in a gray Dodge Challenger. He was observed wearing a plain maroon t-shirt, light-colored shorts, a black hat with a white logo, and light-colored shoes. The shooting allegedly took place from a rooftop location approximately 200 yards from where Kirk was seated.
Evidence at the Scene
Forensic evidence at the scene included a distinctive impression in the gravel surface of the roof, suggesting someone had laid in position for a protracted period of time. The uneven gravel surface, combined with what appeared to be the use of a backpack for stabilization, indicated some level of preparation and knowledge of the weapon system being used.
Multiple shell casings were recovered with various inscriptions written on them. These included:
- "Hey fascist catch"
- "Oh Bella Chiao, Bella Chiao, Bella Chiao Chow Chow" (referencing an Italian resistance song from World War II)
- "If you read this, you are gay LMAO"
- "Notices bulges OwO what's this?" (referencing an internet meme from approximately seven years prior)
Investigators also recovered footprints, palm prints, and possibly forearm prints at the scene. However, the utility of these prints would depend on whether Robinson had previous arrests that would have placed his prints in national databases.
The Escape and Apprehension
After the shooting, Robinson was captured on video jumping from the building and subsequently limping through nearby residential backyards. Neighbors reported seeing an individual matching the description running through their properties. The bolt-action rifle used in the shooting was ditched along his escape route, a common tactic to distance oneself from incriminating evidence.
The investigation benefited from extensive video surveillance throughout the university campus. Modern university security systems provided multiple angles and continuous coverage of the area, making anonymity nearly impossible. Additional evidence came from Ring cameras in surrounding neighborhoods and surveillance cameras from nearby parking lots and businesses.
The Federal Investigation
The case was immediately elevated to federal jurisdiction, with authorities indicating that Charlie Kirk was likely targeted because of his political ideology. The full weight of the federal government, in partnership with Utah state agencies and Governor Spencer Cox's office, was brought to bear on the investigation. President Donald Trump announced on Fox News that authorities were "99% sure" they had the shooter in custody.
The ongoing investigation involves multiple layers of evidence collection and analysis. Search warrants were executed at Robinson's residence, vehicle, and other locations. Investigators are examining:
- Credit card and debit card statements
- Text messages and electronic communications
- Social media activity
- Recent purchases and travel patterns
- Video footage from multiple sources spanning the days before and after the shooting
- Potential connections to other individuals or groups
- The origin and ownership of the weapon used
Forensic document examiners are analyzing the inscriptions on the shell casings to determine whether they were hand-written or engraved, and to establish if Robinson was the author. Additionally, investigators are looking for trace DNA evidence, including degraded skin cells and biological specimens that may have been left at the scene.
The Victim and His Legacy
Charlie Kirk founded Turning Point USA in 2012 and had become one of the most prominent conservative voices in America. As an outspoken conservative Christian commentator, he had been labeled controversial by those on the political left, though his supporters viewed him as someone who spoke from the heart and encouraged people to think more deeply about political and cultural issues.
Kirk was known for his direct engagement with audiences and his willingness to have open discussions about contentious topics. On the day of his death, he was doing exactly that—throwing hats to the crowd, getting people excited, and taking questions from attendees before beginning his formal speech. His approach embodied the principle of "live and let live" and the free exchange of ideas, even with those who disagreed.
He is survived by his wife, Erika Kirk, and their two young children who will now grow up without their father.
The Broader Implications
The assassination of Charlie Kirk represents a disturbing escalation in political violence in America. What was once a culture of "do your own thing" and "live and let live" has transformed into an environment where disagreement is increasingly met with violence rather than dialogue. The incident has prompted calls for leadership that will address this trend openly and honestly rather than ignoring or minimizing it.
Utah Governor Spencer Cox publicly addressed the tragedy, noting it as "a very sad day for our country." Many observers, including those involved in the investigation, have expressed hope that Robinson will be found guilty and face the death penalty for his actions.
Ongoing Investigation and Potential Additional Arrests
Investigators emphasize that Tyler Robinson may not be the end of the investigation in terms of arrests. The possibility remains that he worked with others or received assistance in planning or executing the assassination. Areas of continued investigation include:
- Whether Robinson belongs to any extremist or political groups
- Who may have supplied the weapon
- Who may have provided financial or logistical support
- The full extent of Robinson's electronic and social media communications
- His motivating factors and ideological influences
As the investigation progresses, authorities are expected to release less information publicly as they build their case for prosecution. The evidence gathered will be compiled into a comprehensive package to be presented to a grand jury and ultimately to a trial jury.
The case serves as a stark reminder of the value of campus security systems, neighbor awareness, and the role of family members in preventing or solving crimes. In this instance, it was Robinson's own family member who ultimately led to his apprehension, earning his father the designation as "the father of justice" from some observers.
Video Transcript
Breaking news tonight. The lone shooter,
the assassin that gunned down
31-year-old Charlie Kirk.
>> With a high degree of certainty, we have
him.
>> Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. We
got him.
>> A massive manhunt.
>> The suspect was taken into custody at 10
p.m. local time.
>> The assassin who gunned down a loving
father of two, a husband.
>> The suspect was apprehended in historic
time period.
>> In custody, right, in custody. the
assassin who guns down a father of two.
>> He is observed on video in a plain
maroon t-shirt, light colored shorts, a
black hat with a white logo, and light
colored shoes. Arriving on UVU campus in
a gray Dodge Challenger at approximately
8:29 a.m. Tyler Robinson Robinson had
become more political in recent years. A
second unfired casing read, "Oh, Bella
Chow, Bella Chow, Bellachow, Chow Chow."
And a third unfired Casey read, "If you
read this, you are gay."
>> His wife and two little children who
will grow up without daddy.
>> This is a a very sad day for again for
our country.
>> And I do know this is going to be a
federal case. And there's many of us
believe that Charlie was targeted
because of his political ideology.
>> Yeah.
>> What's going to happen to this guy?
>> Well, I hope he's going to be found
guilty, I would imagine. and uh I hope
he gets the death penalty.
>> On the evening of September 11th, a
family member of Tyler Robinson reached
out to a family friend who contacted the
Washington County Sheriff's Office with
information that Robinson had confessed
to them or implied that he had committed
the incident. Investigators reviewed
additional f video footage from UVU
surveillance and identified Robinson
arriving on UVU campus in a gray Dodge
Challenger at approximately 8:29 a.m. on
September 10th in which he is observed
on video in a plain maroon t-shirt,
light colored shorts, a black hat with a
white logo, and light colored shoes. And
just last night,
the suspect was taken into custody at 10
p.m. local time.
In less than 36 hours, 33 to be precise,
thanks to the full weight of the federal
government and leading out with the
partners here in the state of Utah and
Governor Cox, the suspect was h
apprehended in historic time period.
Joining us today, Dan Murphy, former
NYPD detective sergeant, co-host of Gold
Shields podcast, Joseph Scott Morgan,
professor at Jacksonville State
University, and co-host, host of Body
Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. As we
begin today, shocking announcement. We
already have a suspect in custody. Tyler
Robinson, a 22-year-old Utah resident
and apparently he was turned in or
convinced to turn himself in by his
father who is now being called the
father of justice, Matt Robinson.
Straight out to you, Joseph Scott
Morgan. Ever since the assassination of
Charlie Kirk, there has been widpread
speculation as to everything that took
place that day, from the shot to
security to what actually transpired. I
want to start with the shot. We have a
man in custody. So, let's start with him
on the roof allegedly shooting Charlie
Kirk from at least 200 yards. Is that
still what we believe?
>> Yeah. Yeah. According to the reports
that we're hearing, it it sounds
reasonable. One of the interesting
images that has emerged
uh from this the inspection of that
alleged snip snipers nest, if we can
call it that, is that surface is on the
roof is actually a gravel surface. And
there's an image that has that has been
released of evidence markers around an
area that is literally impressed
into that gravel uh surface that gives
you the impression when you see it that
someone had laid there for a protracted
period of time. Yeah.
>> Now, okay. On the top of a roof, often
times we have tar and other things like
that. Would that gravel making it a kind
of uneven surface, would that create a
problem for somebody that is laying down
to get the shot?
>> Um, I wouldn't necessarily think so,
particularly if they had any knowledge
of how of the weapon system that they're
actually using. And we don't know all of
the details yet. He may have brought
something along to brace himself with.
Keep in mind this kid actually had a
backpack with him and uh in the military
I know from uh personal experience uh
that you're trained to use things
particularly if you're in a prone
position that can brace your position
and that you can that can steady can
steady your sight picture. It wouldn't
surprise me if that if the backpack that
he had up there with him may have been
used for that purpose.
>> Okay. Dan Murphy, uh, as a former
detective sergeant, you're looking at
this from solving the crime.
>> What is the first step from the moment
you learn that Charlie Kirk has been
shot? You don't know his condition. All
you know is we have a man shot. What is
the first thing you do when you start
trying to solve the crime?
>> First, you have to preserve the scene.
The crime scene is of paramount
importance because that is going to live
with you for the remainder of this case.
what you grab, what you don't grab is
vital. A second is witnesses,
eyewitnesses, uh, grabbing any and
everybody that's on the scene that may
have seen something. So today, in
today's world, we want to see cell phone
coverage, cameras, everyone that was
there who has a cell phone that shot any
footage, bring it in. It's all potential
evidence. We want to look around at
cameras, surveillance cameras that are
part of the campus. We want to look at
everything. We can look at who is parked
in the parking lot. This is a tremendous
job that needs to be done by a lot of
people, but it's vital that those steps
begin immediately. You know, we did find
out a number of things as as we're doing
this program. This is still a breaking
news story. Um, it is evolving. We had
we started the day with President Donald
Trump on Fox News announcing that you
99% sure we had the shooter in custody,
the alleged shooter. One of the things
that we've been trying to figure out is
who is this person who would have shot
Charlie Kirk. You know, he founded
Turning Point back in 2012. And he has
been the subject of
I I don't know how to actually phrase
this, but you know, he's outspoken
conservative Christian man and he's been
labeled a hater by those on the left,
just the way we live today. But as
you're trying to figure out who is the
shooter, we saw a guy that looked like
to be 60 years old in short pants, you
know, balding. We saw him in custody
briefly by police because he's, you
know, talking about I do it again. Um,
we also had rumors that it was a
30-year-old man, that it was not a
college student, and what turns out to
be the shooter or the alleged shooter is
actually 22 years old. Is this something
that either of you would expect as we
move forward? Would you have started by
thinking this is a college-age person or
would you have thought somebody older
would have been involved in the
shooting?
>> I I would say you never never want to
theorize as to who your suspect is until
your evidence points you there. That's a
capital mistake to make and people do it
all the time and the media loves to jump
because we want to assign an identity to
somebody. But the fact of the matter is,
you go where the evidence leads you. And
if it turns out to be somebody who's
older or younger, that's fine. Worry
about what narrative it can fit later.
But you look for the truth. You follow
the evidence. Absolutely. Okay. Now,
Joseph Scott Morgan, we saw the shot. We
saw Charlie Kirk sitting under the tent.
I want to point something out. You know,
before the shooting took place, uh there
were about 3,000 paid that attended the
event. Charlie Kirk was under a tent,
you know, that he was sitting under, but
there were people fairly close to him
right up front. Then there was a walkway
area in the grass of probably 12 feet,
I'm guessing, and then more people
situated directly behind that. And
before the event actually got started,
before he actually was giving a speech,
he was engaging with the audience. He
was throwing hats and other things to
the audience, getting them kind of
excited and pumped up before he spoke.
And then before he grabbed the mic to
give his speech, he actually was doing
Q&A with the audience and had them they
had two microphones set up and had
people going to either mic so they could
actually begin this speech by talking
about things by actually getting into a
discussion. So he's a minute and a half
into this as he's sitting down in the
tent before he starts his speech. He's
still answering questions from the crowd
when the shot rang out. We I say we all
saw it. Most of us have seen the video
because it was released on social media
within seconds. It wasn't like the
Zaprruder film where we waited, you
know, where we didn't have anything for
hours and then years later. This was
immediate. And there are probably plenty
of people who got shots of that
assassination that still have not posted
it online.
>> Yeah, this ain't Dallas 1963.
Um, you know, you're going to have
multiple POVs here. uh because let's
face it, like him or or hate him, he's a
media figure. He is he was magnetic. Um
and people want those kinds of images.
It's the world that we live in today.
So, you know, 180 degrees, probably 360°
uh in his orbit there, there were people
videotaping. One of the things that uh I
think that those that are going to be
canvasing the area and talking to folks
uh they're going to want to collect
those images, particularly those I think
one of the more intriguing images that
you would want is something that is more
to Charlie's rear looking back to where
the shooter is. I think that we've had
one of those or two of those that have
leaked out. Trust me, there's more. And
you know, that's not even counting like
CCTV. I work at a university. Uh guys, I
got to tell you, I can literally step
out of the door of my building here at
Jack State onto the quad and immediately
um I've got cameras all around me that
are observing me. If you're going to try
to pull something like this off and try
to remain anonymous, bad choice. Because
there is so much video evidence on a
campus that they can pull it in seconds.
uh dollars to donuts. I guarantee you
that the state police, probably the
locals, and certainly the feds, they
descended on the security area there
that controls all of the cameras. They
have that data, trust me. Not to mention
everything else that's peripheral to
that. Parking lots, we've heard a lot
about ring cams.
>> Oh, wow. Yeah. all of the cases that we
cover with Nancy, it seems like in the
last two years, ring cams come into
play, don't they?
>> They're everywhere,
>> you know, as well. And it's just it's
just that the area where this happened
on a university campus is so tightly
monitored and a lot of it has to do with
student safety. Um, yeah, bad choice.
Uh, bad area to select if you're trying
to remain anonymous.
>> Now, Dan Hampton, background in New York
as a detective sergeant. Look, when we
started breaking this story down beyond
the shooting because that was just
shocking and I want to come back to that
in just a minute, Joe, about what that
act what the shooting actually did. But
first, we've got a shooter that the the
I'm going to say the police were leaking
information. I it looked like they were
chumming the water. They were baiting uh
with pictures and things like that to
try to get information from the public.
Um is that a common thing to expect? Do
police really use the media in that way,
Dan?
>> Absolutely. It can be your best friend.
They could be your worst enemy, but more
often they're your best friend. When you
distribute pictures to the media and the
public sees it, you have a far increased
chance of getting your person
identified. Uh in a case like this, it
was a smart move to do. And we see that
his uh alleged discussion with his
family where he put himself at the scene
having done it, at least that's what
we're told, uh that may have come as a
result of all the pressure involved
because he couldn't hide it from them.
He's sitting on the news. That's me. He
had to give it up. I think it was a
smart move and it's done commonly.
>> And one of the things we saw, uh, Fox
had video of police taking down, uh, a
camera over a garage, which I found
fascinating because we had neighbors
from the neighborhood when he ex when he
allegedly he shoots and then he's off
the building and there is actually video
showing him jumping. Um, then we see him
limping as he's walking through
backyards because they were getting
calls from residents saying, "Hey, I got
video of a guy running through the
backyards." Um, so I'm going to assume
that he hurt himself jumping off the
building as far as he had to jump and
he's limping through the backyards. He
ditched the boltaction rifle on his
escape route. Is that something that you
would expect? Did he drop it? What do
you think? Why do you think we have that
gun? Well, he's got to distance that
weapon from himself personally. He can't
be found with that weapon on him. It's
It's too incriminating. So, he didn't
want to leave it up on the roof. He took
it with him and he figured it he would
gain some time by ditching it. Very
common. Guns are thrown in lakes,
rivers, off bridges all the time just to
get rid of the evidence as much as
possible. He obviously did it in a very
haphazard way. This is not a career
criminal or a professional assassin.
This is a young kid who had the
intention of doing this, but didn't
really think out the steps afterwards as
much as he thought he would. As far as
jumping off as far as jumping off the
roof is concerned, one of the things I
would do as soon as I saw any video
footage of that, you check all area
hospitals and clinics that somebody come
in with a broken ankle, hurt leg. That's
going to be one of your your investig
Theater jumping from the the balcony,
you know, breaks his leg. Um, so now
we've got a suspect in custody as this
is a breaking story. The man who
allegedly shot Charlie Kirk, 22-year-old
Utah resident Tyler Robinson. And by the
way, guys, this guy's not an idiot. Uh
Tyler Robinson actually had an academic
scholarship to Logan, uh which is also a
college in Utah. He attended, um the
college campus where he was, but only
for one semester. Um he's one of these
really smart guys, but at 22 has not
achieved a whole lot. And I think
that'll be something that we get Bethany
on to talk about. But there were
multiple photos taken of him that have
been released. We've got him in custody
turning himself in. We found out that he
uh there I keep saying he did it, but
allegedly somebody wrote on the shell
casings a number of different
inscriptions. Uh Governor, Utah Governor
Spencer Cox actually uh listed out some
of the things that were written on one
of the shell casings. Hey, fascist
catch. Um, I would encourage people to
actually, um, go look up your
definitions of what a fascist is and
free speech and those wonderful things
we experience here in the United States
of America and realize that a lot of us
grew up, hey,
just do your own thing, you know, live
and let live. That we're not at that
point anymore. Now we're at this point
where if I if you disagree with what I
say, I deserve to die. And that's not
us. That's not who we are. We got to
stop this. Charlie Kirk spoke from the
heart. He spoke for years trying to get
people to think deeper. And to be honest
with you, it was that that led to his
death. People don't want him to share
what he thinks because they don't like
it. And I'm telling you, we've got to
actually get some leaders that will talk
about this openly and honestly instead
of burying it. Now, other words written
on these shell casings, guys. Oh, Bella
Chow. Bella Chow. Bella Chow Chow Chow.
Um, that's from an Italian song
dedicated to the resistance during World
War II. Uh, another one was if you, this
is actually meant as a joke. Okay. If
you read this, you are gay. L M AO. Um,
another one notices bulges. Ow. What's
this? Um, granted I'm old and crazy. Get
off my lawn guy. I don't know what ow
means. Um, but it's part of an internet
meme um that circulated, I guess, seven
years ago or so. But these things
written on shell casings, is that also
something that is common in a shooting
of this nature?
>> I I have not seen it. I know in
high-profile cases recently, it seems to
be a trend, but I have not seen it in my
career.
>> Now, Joe, back to the uh shooting. um
when Charlie Kirk was shot because a lot
of us did see it before it was blurred.
Uh I'm I'm still shocked, amazed, and
saddened that we saw this because
normally we don't. Normally it's as it
is now. If you actually find a a version
of it online, it's going to be blurred.
What did you see in terms of the shot
hitting Charlie Kirk?
Well, uh, from my from my perspective,
uh, when I was watching and I watched
one, uh, that was sent to me that was
kind of enhanced a bit and the shot was
tighter. Um, these physiological
responses that you see uh, as he is
struck. Uh,
and part of it also I think that many
people that follow true crime and that
hear us talk about these sorts of
things, they don't appreciate the horror
many times that's involved in in an
event like this, how shocking it is. Uh,
not obviously I mean obviously to the
victim, but also those that are
surrounding him. In this particular
case, if you go to the left, to the left
of the midline of the neck, this is
where literally the entrance is right up
above the collar line. It it appeared to
me. Uh you've got uh
just copious amount of blood that
immediately begins to issue forth from
him. Uh it's been speculated uh and I I
include myself in that group that uh
there's high probability uh that it
nicked probably uh the juggler as well
as perhaps the corateed uh given the
amount of blood. Remember these are
blood supplies and returns for the brain
and the brain is the most vascular organ
in the body. It requires a lot to
function. Would Charlie Kirk have been
aware of what was going on after that
shot?
>> That's hard to say. That's almost an
unanswerable question. Uh I do know this
uh that if you have have seen this image
he he draws you can see him drawing his
his right hand up and the thumb appears
to be clutched. This is a neuro
neuromuscular response
uh to neurot trauma. Uh you'll see it
with the actually the brain, the brain
stem and as well as the spinal cord. All
you got to do is watch a football uh
game. Uh and you'll see people that get
their bell rung. Uh they'll fall to the
ground and it almost looks like a
seizure and then of course he he topples
over uh to his left and begins to bleed
out there. I I think there's a high
probability that um death was probably
pretty quick at this point in time. I
you know I I talked to Nancy the other
day and I said you know even if you'd
had a group of vascular surgeons
standing right there with him. This is
so traumatic that I don't I think that
it probably would have been unservivable
based upon what I've seen over the years
in the morgs and you know and its scenes
and that sort of thing. And please
remember gang as we talk about the
assassination of Charlie Cook Kirk. This
is a father of two had a little girl,
little boy, wife Erica.
This is not us. This is not the best of
us. We we've got to do more to stop this
from happening. We can have an exchange
of ideas, friends, and disagree and move
forward with this is just not us. So
Dan, I want to go back to you for a
minute. as the investigation starts
getting now, it it doesn't stop after
the arrest. Uh that's this is like the
beginning part of the investigation,
isn't it?
>> Yeah. There's so much work going on
behind the scenes right now and has been
going on since the initial event. Search
warrants are being conducted at his
residence in his car at many places. The
actual owner of the weapon is probably
no doubt sitting in the police station
right now being interviewed as to how
that weapon got into this guy's hands if
he's not the owner. Um they are
retracing steps. They are watching video
footage as uh Dr. Scott said before, not
just of the cameras on the campus, but
anything that might have been a trail
that led him to the scene. They're
reviewing his credit card and debit card
statements. Where did he make purchases?
What did he do recently? Where has he
been? Looking at his text messages.
There is so much work going on and so
many witnesses are being interviewed to
make a very complete, very large
package. that is the investigation that
will be the case that will be presented
to a grand jury and ultimately to a
jury. There's a lot of work and it's all
very important and right now I know
there's a lot of boots on the ground in
that area doing that work and in other
places too. This is a massive
investigation.
>> Now one thing that we knew from the very
beginning was that u we had a footprint,
we had a palm print and possibly a
forearm print. I want to stick with the
two that I'm actually familiar with, the
footprint and the palm print. Um, Joseph
Scott Morgan, you actually were talking
to me the other day about a palm print.
We have a national database of palm
prints just like we do fingerprints.
Correct.
>> Yeah. Yeah, we we do. I mean, what what
will happen is on a fingerprint card,
uh, when somebody's rolled up and
they're taken into jail, um, you'll get
a series of prints, uh, inked prints in
the past, uh, I'm assuming that they can
digitize these as well. And
traditionally, you'll get an entirety of
a print. It will encompass this. But
here's here's the rub.
If this kid has never been hooked up on
charges in the past, guess what? he's
not going to be in that database. Uh so,
you know, that that turns into kind of a
dead end. I was really fascinated, I
think, by them talking about um talking
about a forearm. That's not something
that, you know, is normally printed. No.
And I I think that that probably goes to
some surface that he's applying pressure
to at that point. And we, you know, we
excrete uh sweat and we uh excrete oil
every day. As a matter of fact, that's
we don't have fingerprints on the tips
of our fingers. We have friction ridges.
We leave behind fingerprints. And so the
same thing would apply with kind of if
your skin is greasy, you lay it on a
surface like this. What I'm wondering
about is this going to be a spot where
you can harvest contact uh contact
biological specimens from. I'm thinking
uh probably uh it would be evidence-rich
in the sense that there would be sweat
um there would be oil that's you know uh
coming out of the body and also uh is
there any partial DNA u you know where
uh you've got trace evidence of DNA
that's degraded skin cells sloughing off
I think that's important. One other
thing I'd love to bring you back to is
going to be these cartridges. Um you
know there's a group of people that we
forget about in forensics many times and
that's question documents. Um they can
get exemplars from this guy uh relative
to what is written only shell casings
and they can give you an idea if this if
this has origins from his act actual
hand uh how you know and were they
engraved or were they written you know
because we don't know at this point. But
we've heard the term engraved, and my
first thought was, did they have a
diamond tip thing putting it on there,
or was that just an expression of using
a Sharpie?
>> Yeah, exactly. So, again, back to Dan's
point, this this investigation is so
layered and uh so very uh intense that
we're not going to have all of this data
at one time. Don't expect it. As a
matter of fact, I would probably after
this period of time, I would imagine
we'll see a lessening of information
that's being released because they're
they're trying to put together a packet
at this point in time to bring this guy
up on charges. And you it's like playing
poker, man. You're not going to show
your hand. Uh I know the public wants
the information. You'll hear things from
peripheries, but I would imagine that uh
the authorities are probably going to
shut it down pretty quickly relative to
how much data is going to be coming out
because they're going to be putting
together a case. This is where this
begins at this point.
>> I don't expect Tyler Robinson to be the
end of the investigation in terms of an
arrest. Dan, what are the chances that
he was working with others?
>> I think anything's on the table right
now is a possibility given what we know.
We know he is, we believe him to be the
shooter. We have no idea who he has been
in contact with, who has helped him in
any way, shape, or form make this
happen. Uh what his motivating factors
were, who maybe supplied the weapons,
supplied the money. Um there can be
other people involved. He might be
belong to some group that we haven't
heard about yet. Uh these are all things
that are going to come out at some point
and they may come out at trial. But if
there are more arrests, of course,
there'll be more releases of information
about why those persons are arrested.
But I wouldn't guess I wouldn't venture
a guess either way. It's right now it's
entirely see where the evidence takes
you. But they have only begun to dive
into his world, meaning his electronic
and his social media world, which is
going to speak volumes about who he is.
>> Yeah. I appreciate you guys taking the
time today to join us. Dan Murphy uh and
Joseph Scott Morgan. A big thanks to all
of you. We will continue to follow this
case. I'm Dave Mack for Crime Stories
with Nancy Grace.