Paul Murray Reflects on Charlie Kirk's Legacy, Family, and Megyn Kelly's Raw On-Air Reaction

[00:00] Joining us now is Paul Murray, host of

[00:02] Paul Marley Live here at Sky News

[00:04] Australia. Thank you so much for joining

[00:06] us on such a sad day. The news that we

[00:08] we can't believe our hearts are

[00:10] absolutely shattered. Charlie Kirk dead

[00:12] at 31. I mean, Paul, we're all feeling

[00:16] it. Absolutely. But can you speak to the

[00:18] significance of this in America? Well,

[00:21] he he I think to millions of people

[00:24] around the world, the impact of this is

[00:27] going to be similar to to the feelings

[00:29] of people around the Titanic figures of

[00:33] the 1960s. Right now, um that will

[00:35] inevitably be misqued as me suggesting

[00:37] that somewhere on the Washington Mall

[00:39] they should be building a monument. I'm

[00:40] not talking about that. I'm talking

[00:41] about millions of people connected with

[00:46] their thoughts, their feelings, their

[00:47] politics and having that validated and

[00:50] having that uh channeled through people

[00:54] like uh Charlie Kirk uh his capacity at

[00:58] that time uh in particularly in around

[01:01] sort of 212

[01:03] when we're coming out of co when we're

[01:05] kind of at peak woke for him to go into

[01:07] the belly of the beast that is the

[01:08] university campus and to take on all

[01:11] comers was fun to look at in your

[01:14] algorithm and then it was inspiring

[01:16] because you saw a person engaging. You

[01:18] didn't see somebody cowering. And in

[01:20] many of the conversations that have

[01:22] happened today around Charlie Kirk, uh

[01:24] there's one in particular from his uh

[01:26] friend, colleague, and a co-host on a

[01:28] podcast and Real America's Voice in Jack

[01:31] Pobic. and he was talking about how he

[01:34] was aware of the security risk that a

[01:38] very open event like this was,

[01:41] >> but he didn't want a physical barrier.

[01:44] He wanted to have that that openness.

[01:48] And that commitment to the debate

[01:50] has created a vulnerability that some

[01:53] bastard has used to to kill him, for

[01:59] that footage to be seen around the world

[02:01] for those kids that were in the

[02:04] audience. And I think that the trauma

[02:08] that we're all feeling and you're

[02:11] showcasing beautifully right now is

[02:14] because a generational figure who

[02:15] inspired you, who turned you onto an

[02:18] idea, who turned you on to

[02:21] >> how your values can match your politics

[02:23] and how your politics can change the

[02:26] world. Um, to have that taken from us is

[02:31] something that hurts because you loved

[02:34] it. Hurts because he did something

[02:37] special. And

[02:39] his legacy is too early to be discussed.

[02:42] But it is right up there with, as I

[02:44] said, those Titanic figures of the 60s

[02:46] that millions of people still have

[02:47] posters on their wall for.

[02:48] >> I couldn't agree with you more. Oh, I

[02:50] mean he was such an influential,

[02:52] inspiring figure and I love the way he

[02:54] could talk about politics, debate all

[02:56] issues, but then he would also

[02:57] fearlessly talk about his love of family

[02:59] and we are absolutely praying for his

[03:02] wife and his children and everyone who

[03:04] loved Charlie so much. But I want to

[03:06] play this video that um Charlie Kirk's

[03:09] wife Erica posted on um July 4 just this

[03:13] year. And I'll just quickly read you

[03:14] some of what she wrote in in um in her

[03:17] post. She wrote, "On days like today,

[03:19] when the skies erupt in red, white, and

[03:21] blue, and the air hums with the sound of

[03:24] freedom, I find myself especially

[03:26] grateful for the man I call my husband."

[03:29] >> I love how much he loves this country.

[03:31] He believes that the freedoms we

[03:32] celebrate today are worth defending

[03:34] every day. Take a look at this.

[03:36] >> Wow.

[03:39] crown

[03:40] [Music]

[03:42] with brotherhood

[03:45] from sea to shining

[03:49] sea.

[03:52] Oh beautiful

[03:55] for spacious

[03:58] skies for amber

[04:01] waves of grain

[04:05] for purple

[04:08] mountainsties

[04:12] above the fruit.

[04:17] Uh Paul, I mean, we're all just feeling

[04:19] for his family so much, but he shared so

[04:22] much about his family, his love of

[04:25] America. And in that post, you also

[04:27] wrote, "Today, I thank God for freedom.

[04:29] I thank God for the gift of this nation.

[04:31] And I thank God for a husband who day in

[04:33] and day out gives everything he has to

[04:35] defend it. Happy birthday, America. May

[04:37] we never take you for granted. I love

[04:39] you, Charlie Kirk." I mean, I just

[04:42] looking at at um at Erica's feed and

[04:46] Charlie's feed, they were they were so

[04:47] proud of one another. And I think one of

[04:49] the amazing things about Charlie's he

[04:51] also um inspired a younger gener younger

[04:54] generation about the how the American

[04:58] dream is still achievable to get

[05:00] married, to have children, to have a

[05:01] phone, to have a home, you know, to to

[05:03] to fight for your country and the values

[05:06] that really matter and what's most

[05:08] important in life. The dad in me is

[05:10] breaking inside as I can see um

[05:14] the shine in your eyes and I'm trying

[05:15] not to look at you as well. Um

[05:20] again this man who they say you know was

[05:25] always contactable, always aggressive,

[05:27] always about going off and and achieving

[05:29] his goal. And you know the term 247 is

[05:31] used about someone like that. You know

[05:32] in the middle of the night, the middle

[05:34] of the day you get the best of them. Um

[05:36] again, uh his friend, uh Jack was saying

[05:39] today that he was 246

[05:42] because apparently Saturdays were

[05:45] exclusively for family. That if it was

[05:47] urgent, you contacted his wife, but you

[05:49] knew to stay away on Saturday because

[05:52] while he gave

[05:54] all of the rest of the week to the

[05:55] cause, all the rest of the week to the

[05:58] public, that time was with uh his

[06:02] family. And the fact that his kids are

[06:05] so little

[06:07] that at some point their memory fades of

[06:10] what dad was like to hug, what dad was

[06:14] like to make you laugh being so little.

[06:18] And there's all of this footage and

[06:19] there's all this video that means

[06:21] they'll be able to see how how great

[06:22] their father was.

[06:26] There's something really special in

[06:28] knowing that how few years he had with

[06:30] those children that priority once a week

[06:34] was to clear the decks. Like it didn't

[06:36] the president wasn't going to call you.

[06:38] He wasn't going to be distracted. It was

[06:40] about your family. And for all of us,

[06:43] >> we would dream of a relationship like

[06:44] that with our fathers or um as fathers

[06:47] with our children. And in the end, Gab,

[06:53] that's what all of it's about, right?

[06:55] The whole reason why you choose

[06:58] to get involved in the fight is to try

[07:01] to fight for a better place for the

[07:06] people who come next. And you might only

[07:09] move the ball an inch in your life.

[07:12] >> Well, Charlie Kirk was able to take it

[07:14] all the way downfield, right? Um,

[07:17] remember he was through Turning Point

[07:20] USA through that connection with young

[07:22] voters in the 2024 campaign. Uh, they

[07:26] were hired by the Trump campaign to do

[07:28] get out the vote. So, this wasn't just

[07:30] somebody who was sharp with his tongue,

[07:33] great with the clicks, all the rest of

[07:35] it. He also built a machine that was

[07:39] able to put Trump back as president. And

[07:41] that means change the world.

[07:43] >> Absolutely. That's an incredible thing

[07:44] that those kids will one day learn about

[07:45] their father. The the emptiness of not

[07:48] having their father is something none of

[07:49] us can get our head around. But this is

[07:52] this that's why I talk about this day as

[07:54] being one that if you get it, you really

[07:57] get why today matters

[07:58] >> 100%. And he was instrumental. I mean

[08:01] having Trump hire him and then we saw

[08:03] the result the Gen Z voters coming out

[08:05] to vote Republican like never before.

[08:07] Now you have spoken with Megan Kelly and

[08:10] we uh are feeling for her too. You know

[08:12] a close friend of she Kirk was of course

[08:15] a close friend. They were meant to go on

[08:16] the road together in just two weeks

[08:18] time. Let's look at her reaction when

[08:19] she was on air today.

[08:22] They're reporting that Charlie has died

[08:25] [Applause]

[08:27] that he's dead

[08:29] at the age of 31.

[08:36] which he would have to be if that video

[08:38] was real.

[08:40] [Music]

[08:41] >> There's no way he survived that.

[08:46] The only good thing is

[08:51] it had to have happened quickly.

[08:55] >> Right. Right.

[09:00] >> Paul, now you've spoken with Megan.

[09:01] She's going to be on your show later

[09:02] tonight. I mean, uh, we're all feeling

[09:05] that emotion, but you can't fake that.

[09:07] It's so raw.

[09:09] >> No. And I mean, in her live stream

[09:11] today, it was unbelievable to watch when

[09:15] she's immediately come up uh on the live

[09:17] stream to say Charlie had been shot. And

[09:21] then as the news gets worse, she's doing

[09:25] it all in real time. There's no

[09:26] cutaways. There's no um um putting of

[09:29] footage over this absolute raw reaction.

[09:32] At points she was in her own live stream

[09:34] saying, "I hope this video isn't even

[09:36] true." You could see her trying to

[09:37] process.

[09:38] >> And then in that moment when

[09:41] >> um

[09:41] >> she's on talking with Glenn Beck. She's

[09:43] talking with um a whole bunch of really

[09:46] significant people who had been part of

[09:48] Turning Point USA events. She's going

[09:51] out on the road soon. Um and Charlie

[09:53] Kirk was supposed to be there. we talk

[09:56] about her um approach to security and

[09:59] what she has to do now.

[10:01] >> Um and also just I I I I approached the

[10:04] conversation with her about a friend

[10:07] because I considered her to be my

[10:09] friend. And you know it's good that in

[10:12] this program you've been able to have a

[10:13] look at some of the ghouls and the

[10:15] weirdness that happens further out and

[10:17] there are going to be people that are

[10:18] going to say much nastier things as the

[10:19] days roll on. But um for us to have the

[10:25] proximity that we do to people like

[10:27] Megan means uh the the world because

[10:30] they are again they're not just

[10:33] observers, they're participants and

[10:35] they're participants in a revolution um

[10:37] that we and you watching believe is one

[10:41] of the greatest things that's have

[10:42] happened this century. Yeah. Um, so it's

[10:44] again privilege to call her a friend and

[10:46] and that video will be up soon on our on

[10:48] our website.

[10:49] >> And you know, I was listening to her and

[10:50] she makes a point about security and

[10:52] what a risk it is. She's been out on the

[10:53] road with Charlie Kirk before and you

[10:55] know Trump of course has his security,

[10:57] Ben Shapiro has his security around him.

[10:59] Charlie Kirk does as well and then this

[11:00] is just such a tragedy. Finally, before

[11:03] I get let you go, um, as you say, plenty

[11:06] of of horrible stuff betting getting

[11:08] spewed out there at the momentum from

[11:10] uh, leftwing media outlets. You know,

[11:13] it's so frustrating to seeing him being

[11:15] labeled as this right-wing activist. He

[11:17] was so much more than that. But let's

[11:18] look at this coverage from ABC.

[11:21] >> Charlie Kirk has been shot. during an

[11:23] event at Utah Valley University. The

[11:26] founder of TurningPoint USA, a

[11:28] conservative student organization, uh is

[11:31] known for his outspoken views on

[11:33] politics, culture, religion, often

[11:36] taking his messages to colleges and

[11:39] universities, sparking sometimes pretty

[11:41] heated debates on campus. You're right.

[11:44] His presence there at the university had

[11:47] divided the campus according to an

[11:49] article in the school paper where there

[11:51] were people on both sides uh debating

[11:54] whether he should even be allowed to

[11:56] bring his message often loyal to the

[11:58] agenda of President Trump to campus. But

[12:00] he was speaking at this outdoor event in

[12:03] a courtyard. We've seen some video of

[12:05] that event. A shot rings out. The entire

[12:08] crowd goes scattering.

[12:10] >> I mean, do they even listen to him? I

[12:12] mean, what he what is he talking about?

[12:14] Should he even be allowed to bring his

[12:15] message?

[12:16] >> These people. And look, I know I can

[12:19] swear, but I'm not going to out of

[12:20] respect for the situation, right? Um, f

[12:23] these people. Truly. Um, well,

[12:25] >> remember their names. Remember what they

[12:27] work for. Remember if they're suspended,

[12:29] remember if they're not sacked. F these

[12:31] people. Because the reality is that and

[12:35] again I don't want to sit here and list

[12:36] a whole bunch of people on the left

[12:38] right who are the equivalents of right

[12:41] the whole point is no one deserves to

[12:45] die for talking about what they believe

[12:47] in. No one deserves to die for that

[12:50] reason. And the fact that you see in the

[12:54] reporting the lack of humanity, you see

[12:56] in Twitter the lack of uh humanity. If

[13:00] you can't see that somebody was murdered

[13:04] for what they believe, for speaking

[13:08] their mind, and that that is a moment of

[13:11] dark, dark regret.

[13:14] >> Yeah.

[13:15] >> Then FU, just seriously a few.

[13:17] >> Paul Murray, well said. Can't believe we

[13:19] have to say it. Paul Murray, thank you

[13:20] so much for joining us on Power Hour.

[13:22] Brilliant to have you. I'm out.