Shawn Ryan Reveals How He Stays Grounded While Exposing Government Lies and Building a Media Empire

So the Joe Biden has it turns out Joe Biden has metastatic bone bone cancer. I saw that. Um and of course you know every urologist in the world immediately knows this is a lie. He's known for years because a PSA test shows and this is a very slow growing cancer and now it sounds like it's terminal. And so for 10 years his doctors have known that he has this and they've lied to us about it and everyone's mad at Joe Biden. But the other way to look at it is like who kept that secret from the rest of us and who was actually running the government for those four [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] years. I think that's a big question, right? But I mean, do you know Lindy Lee? No. You heard of Lindy Lee? No. She was uh she was on the staff and and uh she came on the show to to talk about who was running the country. She said it was all the staffers. It was all the millennial staffers that were pretty much running the country and nobody was talking to each other. Everybody had their own agendas and yeah, I mean pretty much like all the stuff that we already knew, but she just came on to confirm it and then switch sides. But I mean that's like the opposite of democracy, right? I mean, yeah. I guess I guess I vaselate between not being shocked at all. I mean, of course. I mean he was visibly demented so why should we be surprised that he also hey by the way he has terminal bone cancer but on the other hand it's like that is so not the system that we signed up for and that we participate in. Yeah. I mean we didn't sign up for but we did. I mean, I look, I remember at the beginning of the election cycle when Fox News was going on and on about Joe Biden's cognitive ability and and I was like, I mean, this is probably just overmbellished, you know, and then I saw the first Wait, were you watching Fox News again? This was this was a long time ago. But uh but uh but but yeah, I was I I thought because I mean I think all media, you know, obviously overmbellishes and just flat out lies. And I was I just thought I was like there's no way that this guy's that bad. And then the first presidential debate, I quit watching it cuz I was like, holy [ __ ] this guy legitimately cannot put a sentence together. I was like, they're they're actually not overmbellishing this. And it was on display for millions, the entire country, but still won the vote supposedly. I feel like an idiot for being shocked because of course it's not a democracy. Of course, the system is rigged. It's fake. Because no matter who gets elected, no matter who gets elected, you get the same foreign policy, you get the same economic policy, and the Epstein videos remain secret. So like that just shows you that our system has no effect on the actual system. Wait, what are you talking about? I thought we could all sleep well at night now knowing that Epstein legitimately killed himself, right? What was that? Didn't that just come out? It's just two guys that I really like. I mean, I I love Bonino, but um he's a friend of mine. Uh but so you But you weren't convinced by that. No. Why? I mean, just I've dug into that and it's just so spooky what's going on with that and how nobody nobody I mean, how do you charge a guy with sex trafficking when there are no there's no endusers that have been charged? Who do you traffic to? Well, that's a great [Music] question. Uh, I don't know. You got me on that one. I mean, right. How do how do you charge him with that? If there's no if there's no I mean, if that's where the trail starts, where does it end? We haven't. So, I I think there's just a lot more going on than the majority of people know about. What do you think that was? What do I think it was? Huh? I think it was a blackmail operation. What do you think it was? I think it was a blackmail operation run by the CIA and the Israeli intel services and and probably others. You know, French intelligence always has a hand in everything, I've noticed. So, probably them too, you know, but the the usual, you know, darkest forces in the world colluding to make rich and powerful people obey their agenda. I mean, look though, I don't I just I don't understand why Nobody has come out on it. Nobody has come out on it. Right. I mean, because if you paint the scenario, I mean, you get on a jet, maybe maybe you're totally innocent. You don't know what's going on. Two hot women come out of the whatever stewardous place come out and one thing leads to another. Yes. I mean, and then and then what happens? They go, "Oh, we got you. You're on camera. And by the way, these girls are 15 or 16 or whatever the hell they were, right? And but I mean it's Yes. I mean, yes, if you're a married guy is pretty [ __ ] up that you're doing that, but I mean it's nothing nothing new under the sun. So why wouldn't you just scream blackmail at the top of your lungs like I didn't know this is what happened and just come clean on it? Why do you think? Because they're repeat customers. Yeah. Because they're so deeply implicated that they can't actually get out of it. Yeah. Maybe not. I don't know. I mean, there's also the, at least in me, the growing sense that it's not just blackmail that makes people obey. It's not just bribery. It's also the threat of violence. Do you know anybody that's been threatened with violence? I think every US president has been threatened with violence implicitly because of the murder of John F. Kennedy. I've known a bunch of presidents and um I think every one of them understands that, you know, it's pretty obvious what happened there or the outlines, you know, maybe not the details. Um and no one has in to this day released all the files and like why is that? because the message is really clear. You know, if you get too far outside the boundaries, like you could wind up like JFK. Who places the boundaries? Probably the same forces that murdered the sitting president 1963. Do you know what I mean? Like if you listen to the tape of Richard Nixon talking to the CIA director in the Oval Office, no one else around. Of course, it's being taped and Nixon knows that cuz it's his taping system, but it's still his. like he's no one he has no expectation anyone's going to hear this when he brings up Kennedy's murderer he's the president in fact not only is he the president he got he's won by the biggest landslide in American history has a real mandate and he is afraid he's afraid even to talk in private to the CIA director about what that was and he indicates like I know what happened to Jack Kennedy and the CIA director doesn't even respond and the president doesn't have the balls to say hey son I'm talking to you work for me like I want I want the files on this. Mhm. Like I knew Jack Kennedy. He was murdered. He was shot in the head next to his wife in public. Like the man died. I want to know what happened here. He does not have the balls to say that to his own CIA director. Man, that's the level of fear that a a murder like that that's officially unsolved. But you know whose outline everyone really or a lot of people understand like that's the fear that that inculcates. Do you think it runs that deep with everybody? I think if you're president, you're very aware of the physical risk of the job. Wouldn't you be? I mean, yeah. I mean, I think that goes without saying, but I mean, some of these guys on the, you know, lower levels, I mean, I I don't know. It's just so sophisticated. I mean, when you dive into it, it seems so sophisticated. and having been a, you know, a small part in some of the intel agencies, it's just not that I think people place give them a lot more credit than they deserve. Oh, I believe that, you know, and uh so I I think there's a thing also where it's just addiction to power. Yes. Then they're so [ __ ] scared that they're going to lose their power. And I mean, you see in every administration to include this one, people that are, you know, it's it's everybody wants to help the country, right? But everybody wants to help the country. They they have their their thing that they could do to help the country and then they get placed in something they have no [ __ ] business being in at all. They know there are better people to run that sector of the government, but hey, I'll I'll take it because I'm the best. No, the [ __ ] you're not. You're not the best. you know, and and that sh I saw that in this one and it really [ __ ] pissed me off. In which one? In the Epstein in in in this administration. There are people in there that I despise that I know don't know what the [ __ ] they're doing. And there like Sebastian Gorka. It's hard to believe he works there. Why? No. So, why don't why haven't you caught Seb Gorka fever? Why don't you love Sebastian Gorka? Well, I'll tell you why. I mean, he blast. We were talking about the the Sam Shoemade interview with the Tesla bomber. Yes. Last night, right? And everybody called me, "Oh, Sean's a [ __ ] CIA shill and he's an operative still and all this other shit." One, I was just a contractor over there. But anyways, that's not the point. He came on he he posted this thing on Twitter saying with this guy Ryan McBth who did this whole debunking my episode, right? And for whatever reason, he got pissed at me for doing that interview. Gorka and posts the Ryan McBth little, I don't know, 10-minute clip that's debunking my my interview. And Sebastian Gorka posts this thing on Twitter. I'll send you the thing. Maybe you can overlay it on the screen. And he said something like, "Oh, he he he debunks another one." Well, then later on, Ryan McBth does an apology video because the FBI actually came out and said, "Oh [ __ ] the email on the on the podcast, they didn't want to name the podcast, of course, but the email on the podcast we have confirmed as being legit." As soon as they did that, McBTH actually came out and did an apology video and I was like, "Hey, cool." But Gorka, thank you. Thank you for the apology. So I blasted Gorka on X and and said cuz what is he in charge of now? I can't remember. He he's at the National Security Council. I think he's in charge of scrolling Twitter. I think that was his official supposedly is counterterror he's the counterterrorism guy, right? And I'm like, "Oh, this is great. We got a guy that's running counterterrorism for the entire [ __ ] country when when when the borders have been wide open for four years. We know there's at least a thousand um terrorists within the country setting up cells. And this guy gets his information from an internet troll, Ryan McBth, who's already come out and and apologize to me. And I'm like, "Oh, this is perfect. This is where our intel is going to come from. From counterterrorism, a guy that gets his information from, if it makes you feel better, I mean, Gorka is not taken seriously by anyone who knows him, I think, including his wife. And um who's a very who's a nice person for whatever's worth. Um and I I think his job literally is just to sit on the internet and like send, you know, fiery replies to people on X. I mean, I don't think he actually has a job. Oh, well then I guess he's the perfect guy for the job. It really is. I assume there's someone else working on counterterrorism. The people in charge want you to be weak. It's obvious. Fat, weak, passive. Take your pills. Why do they want this? Cuz you'll be easier to control. No thanks. So, our friends at Beam, which is a proud American company, understand that America can only be strong if its people are strong. And they're working to make this a stronger country. 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Beam is built on the core values of integrity, results, no BS. We strongly recommend it. So for for people who missed it, which would include pretty much nobody since it was the biggest story um for sure that week, the guy who blew up his Tesla with himself inside outside Trump Tower, um you got his manifesto. Can you just give us a refresher on what that said? Yeah. So, little rusty on it, but um in the manifesto, he he had basically sent this guy Sam Shoemade, who was an Army Intel guy, um a manifesto and said that he wanted to come on the Shawn Ryan Show podcast to talk about all these things. And then he goes into this was right about the time that the New Jersey drone situation was going on that nobody you know could tell us what that was. And uh he he had mentioned that we have some type of anti-gravidic propulsion systems uh that had been that had not been declassified and that China has something similar and this would this would cause World War II. And then there's another paragraph that talks about uh there was a a major offensive in Afghanistan several years ago where they they basically wiped out a heroin plant and uh used a lot of air power to do it. It sounds like a J. There was a J-TAC and a small team of uh special ops and they had bombed all of these different little facilities going on. Killed probably killed a lot of innocent people. And that's actually cuz cuz when we looked into it, I was like, I don't know this anti-gravidic [ __ ] This kind of weird, you know? I mean, there's a lot of chatter about it on the internet like we had talked about last night, but I, you know, I don't know. I I kind of think now that that's all just a big distraction. But when we looked into the to the whatever you want to call them, but for lack of a better term, war crimes, I don't know about the operation, right? I mean, I'm not saying we should have or should not have bombed that facility. I mean, obviously, it's bad and it's a major money maker for terrorist organizations. But uh when we dug into it, there was a UN report that talked about that specific night and that um the UN had I believe did they open investigation? I think they opened an investigation on it. Uh because it was uh against I don't know if it was Geneva Convention or or what it was, but uh you could not bomb drug factories with civilians in it. And so it had talked about, you know, how many targets and people and innocents were killed. And I was like, "Oh, so this this actually lines up um with what this guy's saying on the email, which, you know, maybe maybe not gives gives, you know, the previous thing that we were talking about a little more validity." So anyway, so yeah, I got What was the question? What was that? So you It sounds like you take the manifesto seriously. You think it's real. Mhm. The guy actually wrote it. Well, then, you know, then the other weird thing that gave it a lot of validity is because we So, when that interview came up, popped up on my radar, walked in uh to the studio getting ready to interview somebody. Jeremy, my producer, comes to me and says, "Hey, we got a guy on this Tesla bomber thing." And I'm like, "I don't know, man. We get thousands and thousands and thousands of emails of of people that want to come clean on something or expose something." And you know probably 99% of it is [ __ ] and you know it's just somebody looking there is a mental health crisis for sure. Yeah definitely. But uh so I was really apprehensive to do it and um and and Jeremy was was new at the time and I didn't 100% trust him yet and I was like uh he's like I think this guy right over here and um but he was hellbent on it and so we we did a call with Sam and he didn't want to come on and when he didn't want to come on I was like I like that. Okay. It's playing hard to get. All right. So, he wanted to go visit his uh a family member of his and he's like, "Look, I just want to go hang out with this family member. I don't want to be there." And I said, "Hey, how okay, look, we'll we'll book you a flight here and book your flight uh to where you're going, and this should only take a couple hours." And uh he was like, "All right, well, let me think about it." And then got back when I was doing the interview and wanted to come on. Well, I get So, Jeremy tells me on a break, "Hey, we've got him. he's going to be here first thing in the morning. Well, I get done with the interview and I look at my phone and all these people are texting me about the interview I'm about to do and they're like, "Hey, you know, there's this this uh DEA agent that was on the OP and his name was actually listed in the email and they were like, he doesn't he doesn't want his name to come out because he's still active." And I'm like, you know, I'm not I'm not going to burn somebody that's that's still active and in undercover operations. I mean, that would that could get him killed and um and and his family killed. So, I'm I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to dabble in stuff that we're working on. But at the same time, it made me extremely paranoid. I'm like, how the hell does everybody know that I'm getting ready to do this? So then I'm then I'm thinking all my all the people that are texting me are controlled assets or something. And then we had a we had another friend of mine sent me a text and uh he says, "Hey, uh this the army's public affair officer wants to talk to you about tomorrow's interview." And I called I called him up and reamed his ass. And I'm like, "Why the [ __ ] are you texting me this [ __ ] But if the army pao wants to get a hold of me, I've got a website. I've got social. I've got all these things that he can get a hold of me at. And why is he using you to get to me? And why have you inserted your sh yourself yourself into into my business? And cuz you I mean, I'm sure you get it. I mean that this when you're uncovering some of this stuff, it it can cause some extreme paranoia um on who your friends are and what their motivations are and who's flipped and and um so I wouldn't talk to them. I I said I'm not talking to them, but I'll pass the number to my attorney and and Jeremy and they can talk to him. And then when they talked to him, uh, they they wanted to kind of place it on PTSD, which wound up being the ultimate narrative from the mainstream media, right? PTSD, it being the the motive for killing himself outside. Yeah. I mean, I think that they used PT they they used PTSD to to basically insinuate that he is a crazy person, but I mean, pretty much everybody I know and have worked with, all my former colleagues, I mean, we all have that. And I mean, I'm not going to say we're not crazy, but but uh not crazy like that. I mean, it's it's just a condition and you can get over it. And um and he wasn't crazy. I mean, he obviously wanted to send some type of a message. I mean, you got a a Green Beret with a full career uh in special operations, definitely knows demolition, and there is no way in hell that a that a lifelong Green Beret would put a bomb inside of a bulletproof truck to take out Trump Tower, kill a bunch of people. I mean, it was obviously he just wanted to get some attention and uh get whatever the message that he was trying to get out out and um so that's what I think I we could have just tweeted about it, you know, he didn't have to kill himself. So that's a pretty extreme pretty extreme thing. Most most extreme thing possible. What do you think his motive really was? Like I said, I don't I I think he wanted to bring attention to the topics that he had and uh the anti-gravity antiic propulsion systemic and uh and uh and we looked into that and all we could find is sci-fi [ __ ] But um do you think any of it's real? I mean, you've interviewed people. In fact, the first show I ever saw of yours was with a building contractor who said he ran across anti-gravity technology in a military facility. Mhm. Mhm. Do I think anti-gravidic propulsion systems are real? I don't know. I mean, do you think there are significant technologies, next generation energy, anti-gravity that the US government Oh, 100%. I mean, we just Yes, I do. I I think that all this alien extraterrestrial [ __ ] I mean, it's fun to dig down there, but I mean, I think it's a big distraction. I don't know if it's meant to be some type of a control do, but I think it is. I think all this stuff is spiritual. That's what I think. Of course it is. I think all this stuff is spiritual. All these things that people are saying and stuff. I think I think there's a spirituality component to it now that these are angels and demons or what? Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. And um and uh and where was I going with this? And and anti-gravidic propulsion systems. I mean, yeah, I think we I mean I would hope that we have [ __ ] that that is next generation stuff that's not, you know, the same [ __ ] we've been using since World War II. Yeah. So the only real technological advances in 80 years are like the iPhone. Yeah. You know. Yeah. Well, I mean we have advances like we just interviewed this guy Steve Quast and do you know Steve Quast? No. Holy [ __ ] Fascinating guy. But um he talks about uh how he talks about next generation energy and the fight that the utilities companies don't want us to have new energy. But anyways, what this guy does is he he has a company called Space Built, I believe. And so he is he's basically created a logistics company where instead of launching one satellite up he he can which which he's he's he says that's extremely expensive and sometimes they break and they're fragile and they have to make the satellites bulletproof which is a ton of weight because they have to be able to you know withstand you know going through the atmosphere. And so what he's done is he is building a logistics company where they don't have to make the satellites bulletproof. You can make them 10 times bigger than the satellites that we have. And you launch them up in sections and pack them safely so that they can make the trip without having all that extra weight to be bulletproof. And then his company would actually assemble those through um laser robotics in space. And so what he what he says is is possible is and I believe him. I mean he's got a he's got a he's got the right background to be talking about this stuff. And so what he says we can do and we already have the technology is basically they would put these ginormous satellites up into orbit and they would be solar. So you wouldn't, but they would it would actually be a reliable renewable energy source because there's no clouds. There's no atmosphere. There's no air particles getting in the way to collect that radiation from the sun. It would convert it from solar into uh some type of a a radio wave and you could beam it down into the onto the earth to a I can't remember what we called it, but it sounded like an antenna. So he basically put this antenna that receives as an energy energy and then and then it would pump it back into the grid. Yeah. And you know I was just but he but so like a solar farm in space. Yes. Yes. And I mean he had talked about that and it's just like man like what this this could be the answer. I mean we could make Earth I mean I think Elon said right we could make Earth into a park. Was that him? And but I mean you could take out all the eyes, all the huge solar farms that you see all over the country, the wind, the oil and gas, like it it could all be gone and you could do it this way. And would you get green energy tax credits for it? I don't know. I think that that's kind of the goal here. I don't think it's actually to power civilization or keep the earth clean. I think it's it's the tax credits drive all this stuff. It's just greed. It's the ugliest kind of greed. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, so anyways, you know, that's next generation power right there. And he said that China's building a nuclear power plant in space and they're mining helium 3 off the off the back side of the moon. And uh sounds like I'm not terribly familiar with helium 3, but it sounds like that is um that's also next generation power that can that can cool um data centers, AI stuff and and and it would really take us to the next level of energy. 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Sign up before this happens to you. identity.com/tucker. So this al come here. Sorry about that. Um, so this story and the weird way that it happened, you know, you get the manifesto from the guy who kills himself in in the Cybert truck. All these other people know that you're about to do an interview on it. Were you worried you were going to get hurt in that moment? I don't know if it's hurt. I, you know, I don't really care about me, but I worry about my family, of course. And um and so, you know, it's always an afterthought. The only one that I've done that that I'm like, "Oh, I don't know if I should be doing this before was the Romania one that I was telling you about the other day." And um what was the Romania interview? the George Escu interview where they they yanked him out of the election, but it's always an afterthought, you know, after the interview. I'm like, "Oh [ __ ] I don't know if we should throw this one out." And uh because you know we they the FBI would have never come out and and given any validity to the to the email to the man to the manifesto and they and I think that I don't think I know that the interview cuz it got 5 million views and I don't know how many listens in just you know couple of days. And um so you know when I see that kind of of traction on something I'm like, "Oh [ __ ] I really kicked over a big rock here. I wonder what the repercussions of this are going to be." If you're traveling to Romania to interview a candidate who's been knocked out of the race by NATO, you know, all of a sudden you're no longer really a podcaster. You're you're like a player in global politics. I just want to be a podcaster. But I mean the kind of I'm only feeding my own curiosity for sure. But the second you start, you know, tampering with the way things are, then you become a problem and therefore fair game. No. Yeah. I mean, we had this discussion last night. I didn't sleep a [ __ ] win. I was like, well, I think the big I was like I was like, Jeremy, I think Tucker's trying to tell me maybe I need to simmer down or something. I don't think so at all. I just think you said last night, I'm just a podcaster. I was like, I I'm familiar with that way of thinking, but if you just take three steps back and um you know, if you're exposing things that are you know, important things, big things like who gets to run the world and um you know, who's getting the money, you know, I think you're you're still a podcaster, but you're also something else, right? Yeah. I guess somewhat of a disruptor, but um but you know, I just when I do do it, I lean into I mean, I lean into God and uh I really just consider myself kind of a conduit. Not kind of a conduit, I consider myself a conduit and whatever comes to me um is supposed to happen. Yes. And with the like for example, you know, I'm pretty new at this. I haven't completed the Bible or anything, but but the more that I dig into just everything in the world, I I think that I I just think that everything everything is a lie. Everything. I think it's all a lie. and um and um and that it's partially my job to expose, you know, what I know and to to bring some type of truth. And uh can you give me an example what I mean? Clearly Joe Biden's health turned out to be a lie. Yeah. But Epstein killed himself. Clearly a lie. Um, I I I grieve that they said something like that in public because I I like those guys, particularly Dan. But that's that's a lie. I bet my house on it. Um, but what else? When you say everything's a lie, what are you referring to? I think everything is a lie. Wow. I think Why do you think that? How could you not? I mean, you're way deeper in this stuff than I am. Think it's all a show. I think everybody is out for themselves. Yeah. And um it sucks. It sucks to see that and to know it. And uh I mean, you know, co co just got a lot of people thinking to include me. And and then when you start diving into it just leads to all these different rabbit holes, right? the Epstein stuff, the COVID stuff, the the just legitimately everything, the UFO [ __ ] all of it. Should we be I I've reached a similar conclusion by that. I'm not making fun of you. I of course I agree with you. But should we be shocked by that or does it say that really explicitly in the New Testament and like we're just dumb and naive if we thought anything other than that? Well, I mean, and it says, right, I am the only truth. I am the truth. Yeah. And Satan runs the world, by the way. Says that. And so I think everything is a deception. Everything. Maybe even our whole reality is a deception. So like Neurolink for example. Yeah. You know, I was interviewing what's can you for people who don't know what's what's Neuralink? Neuralink. It's that chip that you know they're going to put in everybody's brain. That sounds pretty for that. you getting one? Am I getting one? I don't even like electricity. And if you don't, then you'll fall behind. And uh I can't wait, you know. So, um but I had uh you know, I've been fascinated with that subject. I would love to interview somebody on it, but that's that that that is on the inside over there. But you know and and I think yeah you know right like the the premise right now is to you know get paralyzed people moving again and help the blind see and that's all great but you know I mean when when I found out that they was going to help the blind see I was like wait a second so if you put this [ __ ] chip in your head and they can help the blind see then wouldn't they also be able to project an entire false reality in your mind and I had interviewed a couple doctors about it. I interviewed uh Andrew Huberman about it. We just got brought up and then talked to Ben Carson about it. Pretty much came to the same conclusion. And not only would they be able to manipulate, you know, vision, they would also be emotion, touch, smell, taste, everything into your head. So there you go right there. I mean, we're on the cusp of a total false reality. Your entire life could be a false reality. People are upset about Real ID at the airport, facial recognition, giving others control over your brain neurologically. Um, that seems like like a a step farther. You know what I mean? Like just biometrics. Mhm. Uhhuh. Do you know why they're pushing it? No, I do. Why? This is my understanding based on conversations with people who are involved in it. Um because of AI and the blind seed, lame walk. It's all great, but the real concern is that um AI is already at this point beyond human control. It's already at the point where it's lying to the people who created it, which suggests consciousness. and um Neuralink and efforts like Neuralink uh are the people who are running it believe the only way for people to keep up with AI otherwise we will be at slaves. See I don't know I've I've kind of changed my tune on that. Maybe you know more about it than I do, but I mean we feed the data centers that power the AI, you know, and so I mean I I think that, you know, some of the I I don't think that now that I understand it a little bit better, I don't think AI is going to develop its own consciousness and and make decisions for us. I think that, you know, I think that the major fear would be if, for example, China hacked our databases and started feeding our AIS false information that would be detrimental in a conflict or or or um propaganda or whatever, you know, but but I mean we we are the ones humans are the ones that build and feed the information into the data centers and and and it just processes all that information. So I raised this question with one of the people who um one of the big biggest um you know forces behind AI and I said we'll just turn it off. You know I mean you know they human beings run power plants and this person said even now we can't be sure that the machine is telling us the truth about where its power is coming from. Interesting. So look I I you know I was a Russian history major like I know nothing. I'm not pretending to have some special insight, but I did get hear that directly from someone who's deeply involved. And even right now, I mean, well, you know, a lot of people that are deeply involved. No, not really. But I mean, you know, travel, you know, with with with stuff like AI, I mean, it still it still goes to a human at the end, you know, to make that decision. And so, until you get a chip in your brain. Yeah, good point. But um you know so for example um you know for for for military use you know the AI system would would tell you what what what it is. So let's say it's a plane, you know, that pops up on a radar or something. The AI system will immediately identify it, tell you the capabilities, tell you your courses of action, tell you your different courses of action, tell you the outcomes of those different courses of action. And so you have all these options, you know, that would be some type of an analyst or strategist that would, you know, take hours, days, weeks, maybe months, you know, to come up with the information to present to whoever the decision maker is to make that actual decision. But with the power of AI, you know, in in these new chips that are processing so fast, I mean, you get that information in seconds, minutes, hours versus hours, days, weeks, months. And so you can act on that, you know, a lot faster because all the information's been processed, every possible outcome, the percentage of coming out on top. I mean, it's like a complete war game within seconds. It sounds amazing, but the advantage is also the vulnerability. No, I mean, if it's subverted, like if someone hacks your system and gives you the wrong coordinates or misidentifies, you know, allies as enemies or you you could see that going you could see that being like the way you lose. Definitely. Definitely. I mean, so maybe the guy with the boltaction 308 with iron sights wins. Yeah, maybe the lowest technology force wins. I'm with you. But you know, I mean, you know, I mean, what how do you know that a human source is not a double agent? I mean, you there's always going to be checks and balances, right? So, I mean, that's why we need we need a better energy grid. We need to be able to power our [ __ ] AI data center so that we can build more AIs because when AI wars happen, it'll be who has more AIs and it'll be AIS going against AIS. So we need more AIs to combat somebody with we we need more eyes than our enemies than our adversaries. So we're only 40 minutes in and you've already said you have said so far you don't believe in anything. Technology is moving at such a a a pace that it's hard for people even to like think about. It's moving so quickly. Going places we can't yet imagine. Um, and just to restate once more, nothing is real. Anyway, how can you be very specific dayto-day about how you stay sane while thinking about stuff like that? I live in the woods and uh I don't talk to anybody but my team and my family and I don't go out much, you know. I just I don't Is that a happy life? Yeah. I would rather spend time with my kids and my wife than anybody on the planet. So, You know, in fact, even when we go out to dinners with people and I say, "Oh, yeah, let's do a dinner." I'm the day the dinner comes up, I'm like, "Why the [ __ ] are we going to dinner? I should be spending time with the kids right now." You speak for every American husband. [Music] There's not one husband who's like, "What them? How do we do Well, you said we could. But I mean, even the energy thing that we just discussed, I mean, it's a lie. Like here we have this this stupid debate going on about [ __ ] renewables and and and fossil fuels and it's like I just told you the answer. It's right here. It's been here for years. Nobody's acting on it, right? It's all a [ __ ] lie. No. Like we It's right here. It's right here, you know, and but nobody wants to talk about it. So keep the same debate going. Just to go back cuz you're not the only person. Anyone who's made it this far in the conversation is probably in a similar place to where you are right now. Like, oh my gosh, this is just bewildering. Like, what's real? This all does. It It does seem like the acid trip that never ended. A lot of the news you read doesn't really have a lot of inherent meaning, but this does. Starting May 19th, the Hallow app is leading a consecration to Jesus through St. Joseph. You might be asking, why St. Joseph? Why now? Well, consider this. Joseph was the man God himself trusted with his own son. He wasn't a king or a warrior. He was a carpenter. He was a quiet and steady man of unshakable faith. In an age that mocks humility, can you imagine the basis of wisdom and relationship with God? 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What is your daily regimen if you if you don't mind if it's not too personal? Like what do you you wake up and then you do what? like what are the steps that you take every day to remain grounded and sane and happy? I pray a lot. Um when I wake up, I pray all the time, you know, and I don't mean down on my knees. I just I'm always I'm always looking for signs. I'm always trying to make sure that, you know, I'm I'm doing the right thing and that I'm not doing interviews just for numbers and [ __ ] like that. I mean, um, I look for good people, you know, with a good heart, especially when I do something like a life story, you know, I'm I'm looking for that guy that's grinding that is not getting any traction with his business who served the country and put him up. But I mean, I how tempting. I don't know. I mean, I And then I also keep in the daily routine. I mean, I wake up, I got a one-year-old and a three-year-old and I wake up and I have about three cups of tea and I play around with my kids and um spend a lot of time on the phone unfortunately because you know I'm getting all the incoming in um that's coming in that morning. Then I go into the office and I meet with everybody and do an interview or I don't do an interview and then I just go back home to my kids. But um you know as far as staying grounded I mean I just keep in mind like hey this this all could go away in 2 seconds. I mean who knows somebody could do a headpiece on me like they are right now. I told you about it and it could all go away when maybe a previous mistake that I made in life comes to light and they cancel me. And if they do [ __ ] it I don't care. I'll hang out with my kids and my wife and live the rest of my life. Maybe I'll move up here. get a spot in the woods and never see anybody again. But I just don't take myself too seriously and I don't buy my own [ __ ] and that's it, man. When you say you don't put people on just for numbers, everyone who, you know, has a public facing job understands what you're saying, but for people who don't, will you will you describe that a little more fully? What do you mean? You pass on stories you said or pass on interviews if the only upside is just that it gets huge numbers. Yeah. Yeah. Um I'm just not interested in it. You know what I mean? If I see I'll give you I mean I had if I see somebody go on the circuit that's like I'm just not interested because then I'm just doing the same stuff that everybody else is doing. Exactly. And I've canceled interviews. I've had people that I've I've been one to have on for a long time and then I'll pull up YouTube and there they are in the Tucker Carlson show and I'm like, "Hey, cancel that interview. I don't want to I take your sloppy seconds with gratitude." I'm like, "Really? Sean Ryan interviewed him. Bookuck them." No, I think it's cool, but I just I don't want to I don't want to I mean, you're a phenomenal interviewer and it's and so it's it's well, what am I going to get out of this guy that Tucker didn't or Megan didn't organ, you know what I mean? You don't want to be part of someone's publicity campaign either. Exactly. You know, and and so I really I you know, I pride myself on being different and I've set my whole business up to be different and um as different as I can be. And um so I just I I just feed my own curiosity and I look for people that I believe to be a positive influence on the world and a good uh role model for kids. I mean I think the role model thing has gone it's just it's horrible. I mean who the hell do kids have to look up to now? That's right. You know and and so that's that's what I look for. Just good human beings with good values that are pumping some type of good in the world whether that's fighting evil or spreading the word or whatever you know. and uh going against the grain and um you know I was I was brought up to always root for the underdog. Amen. And I do that you know it's the most American impulse you can have. We were the underdog. This country was the underdog. So yes it was. You don't ever want to be the overdog. No. No. You don't want to be part of the machine. So how have you set your business up to be different? How have I? Well, I mean, so when I got into podcasting, I mean, I didn't even know if I wanted to do it. I just um That was only 5 and 1/2 years ago. Yeah, it was 5 and 1/2 years ago in my attic. And uh and uh I got tired of teaching tactics and shooting and stuff like that. So, I tried a bunch of different things and and uh I looked at podcast as a whole and and I saw, you know, every back then everybody had the purple curtain behind them and uh all their little stuff in the middle of the table that means nothing to them other than Joe. You know, he's got his stuff on the middle of the table. Now everybody's got their [ __ ] on the middle of the table and and um and um so I I I set it up to be different. I wanted a relaxed environment. I didn't want any equipment in the shots. I wanted I mean, you've been there. It's it's you melt into that room and it's very disarming and there's a lot of history there from people that share similar values and on display for everybody to see. You you like it. That's what I noticed about your studio. You made it a space that you're comfortable in and it reflects what you think and it reflects the life that you've lived and the people that you love. It's not gen It's the opposite of generic. Mhm. Thank you. Well, no, it's I really it's very noticeable, but uh but I you know and nobody really back then had good camera aesthetics and so I had saw uh David Letterman's my next guest on Netflix and I really liked the way it looked and um with the camera movements and the the shots that they had and I said I want to make that but in my own way and on a on a $2,000 budget and um so I taught myself how to film taught taught myself how to edit, taught my wife how to film, taught myself how to run sound. And um and so I wanted an environment that looked really good on camera that that disarmed people. Uh I noticed, especially in where I come from in the SEAL teams, very egocentric uh community. And nobody can just make the interview about the guests. They have to make it about themselves and insert their own [ __ ] experiences. And it's oh, I killed Bin Laden. Oh, cool. I killed this person. And it's like it's not about you, man. It's about them. And so, uh, so I would totally keep my own experiences out of the interview and I would compliment people instead of challenging them all the time. I compl like, "Wow, that's all like you just made it into Delta. That's like the premier special ops group in the entire world." I mean, how did that feel? That's amazing, you know? And when when you compliment somebody in a in a in a world that is extremely competitive, you know, it it it's like, oh [ __ ] like this guy's different. Thank you for letting me talk and actually complimenting me on my service. And then on top of that, we started I from episode How where did that insight come from? Therapy. I did a lot of therapy when I when I quit contracting for for CIA. And I I always think of therapy as making people more self-involved, but that sounds like whoever you had in therapy sounds like was encouraging you to become less about yourself. Mhm. They don't talk. They don't talk. I mean, with with my therapist, it was I did all the talking and I would wind up working my own problems out in my head and she would just guide me, you know, and and so I took that model and brought it to my show and it just worked. But it sounds like you concluded that humility, focusing on other people, that was the key. Mhm. I would say you're exactly right. I don't know that that's an obvious conclusion. I don't Most people don't seem to reach that conclusion really. Judging from I was in the airport. I don't go to the airport very much, but I was there yesterday and listening to two people have a air quotes conversation where each one was just waiting for the other one to stop talking before talking at the person. It was like not one person ever said really how how really how interesting. And I feel like that's the experience that people have not just watching podcasts but like on you know daytoday. Yeah. People don't listen. Yeah. I mean you know and I guess there is one other thing that I just I'm not I'm not afraid to say that I don't know what we're talking about. And so you get a lot of people, you know, you get a lot of people they they they [ __ ] trap themselves, you know, and and it's like I I told you about what I know about AI and that's the extent of it. If we're going to go deeper, I don't know what the [ __ ] I'm talking about. So I'm not going to pretend like I know I'm talking about to make it look like I'm the resident expert because the resident experts are going to call you completely full of [ __ ] You don't know what you're talking about. And so I don't get caught like pretending you don't have prostate cancer. like in the end people people find out but uh but I mean it's okay to not know everything you know and and but so many people fall into the trap they're like oh yeah I have I have [ __ ] they just asked me a question I'm not an expert on I have to come up with something and I have like no shame in just going yeah I don't I don't even know what the [ __ ] that word means that you just said could you please explain that and and I think there's a lot of people like me that that that that they don't understand maybe the vocabulary. There aren't a lot of people who will admit it. Actually, there aren't that many people. Everybody's everybody's a genius. Everybody's a tough guy is playing but playing a role that they know is fake. Yeah. It's sad sad to watch it. Well, it's it's a kind of slavery, too. I mean, it's not you're not free when you're pretending to be something you're not. Yeah. So, you showed me something last night speaking of how you run your business differently that I thought was like the coolest thing I've ever seen. You're building a new studio. You totally lost control and just totally lost control. I will say as someone who has a studio, it's like the craziest thing. It's the coolest thing. Big piece of property, bass pond, shooting range, like beautifully designed. Just it's just super cool. But at the construction phase on the Well, you you you explain how you how you built it. That's different. Oh, so I mean like I was saying last night, I'm really really I'm really big on company culture and my I had mentioned earlier, you know, my my the people that work for me and with me are are like a second family to me and I take on their burdens and I help them through life and I I want to give them the best experience that I can, too. I mean, they work their asses off for me and um and so I I want them to be proud of where they work and I want them to enjoy being at work. And so there's there's a wellness center. There's everybody I mean there's it's you got to see it, man. When it's done, it's it is all like super top of the line, very very nice. And you know, they'll be able to hunt out there, they'll be able to fish out there, they'll be able to shoot out there, they'll be able to work out out there, they'll be able to I want them to bring their families in for lunch. Like, I want that environment so that, you know, one that they're they're proud of where they work. They want to work there, and they're the best paid people in the business. I don't have a big team, but I have a [ __ ] amazing team. You want them to bring their families for lunch. Hell yeah, man. That's the coolest. Absolutely. And um and um if they want to, you know, and and and you know, on top of just giving, you know, and creating like that environment, uh you know, it I mean, this is a cutthroat business, unfortunately. And see people jumping from camp to camp. I've never lost somebody, you know. I've never lost somebody that that said, "Hey, [ __ ] it. I'm going to Tucker. Hey, I'm going to the Daily Wire. Hey, I'm going here. from going there. They they don't want to be anywhere but you haven't lost anyone to the Daily Wire. I haven't lost anybody to anything. I'm such a We get a lot of people from the Daily Wire want to work here, though. You put Bibles under the foundation. Yeah. Yeah, we put we put So, yeah, on top of that, my whole team is really into scripture and uh we're all very like-minded and and um you know, I'd mentioned before I feel like I'm just a conduit and uh so and I do I live a lot of my life in paranoia at times and so he is the only protection. So, yeah, we put a Bible in every corner of the foundation. Um, we wrote scripture on every single exterior stud in that building and um to for protection. I saw a Jeremy or producer had a picture he showed me last night of it's a shot down the wall and the studs are still visible and each one has a I I read three from Ephesians but like long quotes from the New Testament. Yeah. Everybody on the team had a had a part in that. Who thought of that? Me. Why? I went to uh a party once and uh the people at the party who hosted the party showed me their house and told me that they had done that and I was like that that they had written scripture on every stud and I was like, "Oh man, that is awesome. I'm doing that. Everything everything that we build from now on will will have that. That is the coolest. So you say you feel like a conduit. How do you receive instructions? Gut. I think God speaks to you through gut. And um and I think the signs are always there, but a lot of us are too busy and wrapped up in our own [ __ ] to see them. And um so for example like the Georgeescue interview was I was nervous about that one you know because I dug into I dug into it and I was I was like I don't you know if this guy is a Russian asset I don't know if this is a good idea. I don't want to be on the wrong team here. uh I don't want to fall victim to, you know, propagandizing my show, not even realizing it. And the whole the whole journey there, I was worried about it. And um without going into it, I mean, my journey to Christ was through signs uh that slapped me right in the face. And 444 is a big number to me. And and um and I 444 444 is a huge number to me. And um why? Well, so I had this uh experience in Sedona uh where I came to Christ and three things happened to me uh all within very profound things in about 15 minutes the last day I was there. And when I got home, I had called um uh somewhat of a spiritual mentor to me. His name's Eddie Penny. And um he had started talking about I called him at at uh midnight when I got back and I was like, "Hey, this happened to me. I don't know what this means, but I think I need to uh lean into Jesus a little bit here, and that's not something I've done in probably the past 20 years." And so he started going on about this stuff with with demonic attacks now that I've shown aside. And I'm and he goes he he goes man a lot of people have been praying for this to happen and I'm like what what do you mean like what why who is what what what what the hell is happening and um then he started talking about guardian angels and all this other stuff and I had a meeting scheduled at noon with my IT guy who is uh a devout Catholic and I call him up and I think we're going to be talking about I don't know website stuff and IT crap and he has the exact same conversation with me not even knowing that I'd had this experience yet doesn't know Eddie they're I mean he is a IT guy and Eddie is a former development group guy there's no connection has the exact same conversation starts talking about for those Can you just define a former what group guy uh team six and um and Um, and ever since I had Eddie on and he shared his testimony was my I release an episode every Christmas. That's when I kicked the show off was Christmas and I was like, "Man, this testimony is like so awesome. I think this should be the Christmas episode." So, every single person that came on the show for probably the next year and a half at least had brought up God or the Bible or Christ. And it was it was like a turning point uh in my podcast that just and I didn't like I don't push Christianity on people. I don't you know it it would just organically come up in the conversation. And um and so I always thought like maybe God's like working through my show or something. I don't know. But anyway, so after this after all this stuff happened in Sedona, which was mindblowing to me, I had this conversation with Adam And uh you're IT guy. Yes. And he's he's talking about Guardian Angels. And I go home for a late lunch that day with my wife and kids. And I'm driving back uh to the studio and I look at the clock and it's 4:44. I look at the gas thing and it says 444 miles left to empty. And this is and and uh it's 4 hours and 44 minutes after my conversation with my IT guy. So I'm I'm driving and I call up uh my social media manager. I'm like, "Hey, look up 444. I want to know what it means. Something just happened." And get this [ __ ] I love how open you are to this. He looks it up. And do you know what it is? No. It means your guardian angels want to know that they're watching over you. Right after we just had a discussion 4 hours and 44 minutes prior about guardian angels. That's wild. And so then I I was like, "Okay, like that's that's a sign." And uh cuz I told you too, I live in them. At that time, I had released the Brian Montgomery interview about sex trafficking, which is a whole another debacle that the FBI started getting involved in. And um and I had interviewed Tyler Andrew Vargas, which was the the young Marine who survived the Abigay bombing who lost his leg and his arm. And nobody would talk to him because it made the Biden administration look so bad. We were fighting YouTube about it. and um he had all this real footage from his camera about the guy that blew up the gate that they should have killed. And anyways, told me that that um that Good Morning America had interviewed him for 7 hours and only released 5 seconds of the interview. Here's another god thing, man. So having breakfast, my team really wanted to get Tyler on. And I was like, every media outlet in the world is probably trying to talk to this guy right now cuz he's the only living eyewitness. And I'm like, we're never going to get him. He'll probably wind up on Tucker or Rogan or, you know, and and um I was like, fine, I'll shoot him a message on Instagram. So I shoot him a message immediately. He's like, yep, I'm in. Let's do it. No way. had breakfast with him before the interview and at breakfast he's sitting there with his fiance and he goes, "Man," he started tearing up and he goes, "Man, I have interviewed with so many mainstream media outlets and they're all full of [ __ ] and nobody will tell the truth and nobody will release like what I tell them. Congress didn't pay attention when I testified in front of him." And he goes, "I literally looked at my fiance and he's like, man, I just wish this Shawn Ryan guy would just reach out." And he goes, "I pulled my phone up and you had just messaged me." It was the first thing I saw. And he goes, "There it was." Like it was like God answered me like right there in that moment. And I was like, "Holy shit." Like that's not a coincidence. There are no coincidences. I don't believe in coincidences anymore. But but so I get these like signs like all the time or if I feel like I should be if I'm questioning something he'll throw out a sign and like like like the George Sescue interview me and Jeremy are sitting at the airport and I'm telling him like I don't know about this. It's the first time I had ever brought somebody to do an overwatch for me because I was nervous, you know? I was like oh I don't know if we should be doing this. We're [ __ ] with NATO. We should bar bring a security guy. NATO, they're just peacekeepers. So, right. That's why they're building the Come on. Relax. Relax, Sean. They're on our NATO base in Europe. And um the training army. But anyways, uh I had sometimes I just tweet out something that pops in my head, right? So, I tweeted out, "The truth is like a lion. You don't have to defend it. set it free and it'll defend itself. And I tweeted that out. I like that. And I had this debacle going on in my head like, should I be doing this? Like, am I doing this for the right reason? Is this guy does he need to be heard or is he just some type of a Russian shill, walk out of the lounge, this is all, I don't know, 5 minutes. And this woman comes around the corner and she has this huge lion head on her shirt, like this big sequence glittery lion head. And that's what was in my head and what I had just tweeted out. And to me, I mean, probably everybody will call me crazy, but to me, I'm like, that's the sign that I needed to see. Like, I just articulated this. And you you don't see too many people running around the airport with a big lion head on their shirt, like a massive lion head. My reaction is not that you're crazy. My reaction is I need to get off my phone. Mhm. Sufficient to see signs that are all around me cuz everywhere agree with you completely. And I feel like the phone is an instrument of distraction um and evil really. Though I I couldn't live without it. I need it for my job. It allows me to live where I want and there talk to my wife and children and all that. their upsides, but in general, I feel like I miss everything. If if a sign happened, it would it would really have to come by text message or I wouldn't see it. Yeah. Well, are you I hope you do that, but yeah, I've been thinking about it a lot. Are you self-consciously not on your phone sometimes? Yeah. What's your phone regimen? Uh 6 p.m. it goes on airplane mode. 6 p.m. Yep. You're not on your phone after 6 p.m. other than other than if somebody on my team textes texts me. That's and they would text for an emergency. It I just it's not airplane mode. It like I don't know whatever you like this whatever. I don't know what it is either, but it screens out. Nothing comes to me. So except except my assistant Jeremy and and family. And so I don't mess around on the phone after 6:00 p.m. 6 p.m. Man, it's like 1985 life. I mean, you know, some Yeah, there there are, you know, sometimes I'm sometimes it happens, you know, if I'm working late or something and I'm I'm always working, but I mean I don't like I don't mess around on social media or I mean, you know, half the texts I get are just people asking for favors anyways. So only half. Probably more. Yeah, more. All my friends I haven't talked to in 5 and 1/2 years is a very short period of time to become as successful as you have. Well, I'm not complimenting you. I'm saying I'm surprised you're not crazier cuz that's a big change. That's a big big change in a short period of time. Don't you think? Well, I think yeah, it's it's been a huge change, but um but you know, I mean, it's just we're all just humans and some people have a I mean, like I said, man, I just don't take myself too seriously and and none of this [ __ ] really gets to me. I it could all be taken away at a moment's notice and I'm ready to give it back and I'm just I'm alls I'm doing is trying to do good, you know, and so when I'm I mean when I meet people like you or some of the other people that have been on the show, I mean it there is an aspect like I can't believe I'm like having [ __ ] dinner with Tucker right now. This is so weird. Like people would kill to do this. But in the end, I mean, you're just a you're just like me, man. You eat, sleep, shed, that's it. And I I take that approach with everybody I meet. There's nothing Sorry, Tucker. I love you, but No, trust me. You You couldn't be Yeah. I I've always thought it's very easy to to get perspective on your life if you can see yourself kind of clearly. It's very hard to mistake yourself for Jesus if you're like honest. Mhm. Do you know what I mean? Yes. And I I really look down on people who have delusions. We're just people, man. Oh, that's for sure. That is It's sad to watch power get to people's heads. It's really a shame. So, what steps do you take to keep yourself pure of heart? I notice you haven't been in DC like every week. I I hate DC. That's where all the power is. Yeah. Well, I'm not interested in power. Don't you want to rush toward it like a bug light? I've been asked to to to run for something, but I just I just have no interest in it. What are your goals at this point? My goals are [Music] to whenever I exit this, uh, I want my family to be set for generations. I want my team to be set for generations. cuz I want to continue to help him and and I just I just want to show that there's a lot of us out there that think on the same page regardless of what the media says. And I think I am a This sounds weird talking about myself like this, but I think I am, for whatever reason, I think I am just the average uneducated, no college de