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Tucker Carlson and Cenk Uygur Discuss American Sovereignty, Foreign Influence, and Money in Politics

Tucker Carlson sits down with Cenk Uygur for an unexpected conversation about breaking down partisan barriers and reclaiming American sovereignty. From their first meeting at Politicon years ago to this moment, both men explore how donor class control, foreign lobbying, and corporate influence have transformed American politics into a system where representatives serve money over citizens. Uygur explains why he seeks common ground with former adversaries, while both examine how ancient tribal conflicts are being imported into America, threatening the foundational promise that citizens can leave old world hatreds behind and unite under the American flag.

Categories: Conservative Opinions

January 30, 2026

Breaking Down Partisan Barriers

Tucker Carlson opens the conversation by acknowledging the unusual nature of hosting Cenk Uygur, noting that this interview would likely infuriate both their audiences. Uygur explains his motivation for appearing: taking yes for an answer on issues where they agree, particularly opposition to war. Uygur emphasizes his two-decade anti-war stance and welcomes Carlson to that position.

Uygur outlines his core thesis: the division between Republicans and Democrats serves to fragment the American population, causing people to fight each other instead of challenging those in power. He draws a parallel to how the British ruled India by dividing the population, and extends this pattern to global conflicts between Christians and Muslims. The conversation establishes three main topics: big pharma, big oil, and AIPAC as examples of donor class control over American politics.

The Israel Question and Personal Background

When asked about his motives regarding Israel, Uygur shares his personal connection to the issue. He grew up in a town that was approximately 50% Jewish, has Jewish friends and family, including a nephew and niece who are Jewish. He emphasizes that his criticism is not about Jewish people, stating clearly that he has Jewish family he will never sell out and considers Jewish Americans as Americans first.

Uygur distinguishes between Israeli government actions and Jewish people, expressing frustration that criticism of Israeli policy is conflated with anti-Semitism. He provides the example of his friend Dave Smith, stating that if anyone comes for Dave, they come for all Americans, because protecting fellow Americans is paramount regardless of their background.

Gaza and the Genocide Accusation

Uygur addresses what he calls the genocide in Gaza, citing figures of over 70,000 dead with thousands more buried in rubble. He states that 10% of the entire population was either killed or injured, which translates to over 200,000 people when including the injured count of over 130,000. He notes that almost all genocide scholars classify it as genocide based on these proportions.

Carlson interjects that Americans should know these numbers since U.S. taxpayers funded the military operations. He draws a parallel to the Russia-Ukraine war, noting that accurate casualty figures are unknown in both conflicts, with some estimates in Gaza reaching over half a million. Both agree that citizens have a right to know the consequences of actions their government funds.

Gaslighting and Media Manipulation

Uygur introduces the concept of gaslighting in the Israel debate, explaining how reasonable positions are portrayed as extremist. He provides examples: opposing billions in aid to Israel results in accusations of anti-Semitism. He uses a thought experiment, substituting Thailand or Bulgaria for Israel, to demonstrate how absurd the logic becomes when applied to any other country.

The conversation turns to how mainstream media serves as what Uygur calls the "getaway car" for corruption. Establishment media, including CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, the New York Times, and Washington Post, function like magicians, directing attention away from where the real action occurs. Uygur argues their job is not to cover the news but to cover up the news.

Big Pharma and Corporate Subsidies

Uygur pivots to big pharma as another example of donor class control, noting that pharmaceutical companies give four times more in political contributions than the Israeli lobby. He challenges the longstanding argument against negotiating drug prices, which claimed it would kill pharmaceutical innovation. Carlson recalls this argument from his libertarian-adjacent past, noting that the pharmaceutical industry ultimately offshored production anyway, including to China.

The discussion moves to the CHIPS Act under Biden, which provided over $50 billion in corporate subsidies to the semiconductor industry. Uygur points out that Intel received at least $8 billion with the supposed condition of building in America and not firing Americans. Immediately after the bill passed, Intel fired 8,000 American workers because there were no guardrails in the legislation. Uygur emphasizes that Intel wrote the bill themselves.

The Revolving Door

Carlson brings up Billy Tauzin, a Louisiana congressman who ran an Obama campaign ad called "Billy" in 2008 about the deal to not negotiate drug prices. Despite Obama's campaign promise to be different, once in office, he refused to negotiate drug prices, as did Trump. Carlson reveals that Tauzin went directly from Congress to become the head of the pharmaceutical lobbying organization.

Uygur emphasizes he is not personally attacking Tauzin, but the pattern is clear and he was there to witness it. Mainstream media, despite the old adage to "follow the money," refuses to acknowledge the obvious connections between political contributions and policy outcomes. Drug companies and politicians are the top two advertisers in establishment media, creating a financial incentive for media outlets to portray both industries favorably.

AIPAC and Congressional Control

Uygur cites reporting from The Guardian showing that the Israeli lobby has contributed to 94% of Congress. He emphasizes that groups are named after Israel because their explicit purpose is to support Israel, pointing to organizations like the American Israel Public Affairs Committee and Democratic Majority for Israel. He argues this is not a complicated question when the word Israel is literally in the organization names.

The conversation details the case of Nina Turner, one of Bernie Sanders' campaign co-chairs, who had a 35-point lead in her congressional race against Shana Brown, one of 11 candidates. Brown put a statement on her website expressing love for Israel, and immediately $4 million appeared in ads supporting her and opposing Turner. Democratic Majority for Israel spent this money to erase Turner's lead by buying every ad in Cleveland and getting mainstream media to misrepresent Turner's positions.

The Cost to American Taxpayers

Uygur states that Israel has received over $300 billion in funding throughout its lifetime, adjusted for inflation, before October 7th. After October 7th, the U.S. provided $21.7 billion, plus an arguable $10-12 billion more for wars fought on Israel's behalf against Iran, Yemen, and other adversaries. In the last two weeks alone, Trump gave another $8.6 billion and $3.3 billion, with no votes and no accountability.

Carlson raises the fundamental question of why this money comes from U.S. taxpayers rather than wealthy Americans who support Israel donating directly. He knows billionaires who care deeply about Israel and questions why they do not simply donate their own money instead of forcing taxpayers to fund it. Uygur explains this is about economies of scale and getting taxpayers to provide billions instead of individuals giving millions.

Larry Ellison and Marco Rubio

Uygur references reporting from Drop Site News that uncovered emails from Larry Ellison, founder of Oracle, communicating with the Israeli ambassador during the 2015-2016 campaign. Ellison stated he would "vet Marco Rubio for Israel," spoke with Rubio at a party, reported back to the Israeli ambassador that Rubio was on their side, and gave $5 million to Rubio's super PAC—against Donald Trump at that time.

Carlson praises Drop Site News for breaking more stories than the New York Times and Washington Post combined, particularly their Epstein coverage. The fact that mainstream media ignores Drop Site News stories demonstrates the dysfunction of establishment journalism. Uygur notes that Ellison was caught because emails were obtained, and now Rubio is Secretary of State, with the U.S. potentially going to war against Iran and Venezuela, exactly what Israel wants.

Uygur emphasizes this is not partisan, noting that Obama's former speechwriter, Sarah Hurwitz, recently suggested Americans "probably over-taught the Holocaust" to their kids because it taught that Nazis were strong and oppressed the weak, but now Israel is strong and targeting the weak. Someone at The Free Press wrote an article concerned that kids are now against genocide, as if opposition to genocide were problematic.

Electoral Consequences for Dissent

Uygur details how Israeli lobby money eliminates members of Congress who dissent. Marie Newman, a congresswoman from Illinois, voted against one appropriation to Israel. Four Democratic colleagues confronted her on the House floor, threatening to take away all her money and spend heavily against her. Approximately $4 million was spent against her, and she was eliminated.

Andy Levin, a Jewish American congressman from Michigan from a legendary Jewish political family (his father was Senator Sander Levin), supported a two-state solution and called himself a Zionist while advocating for a free and independent Israel and Palestine. $4 million was spent against him, and he was eliminated. Jamal Bowman faced $19 million in Israeli lobby spending and was eliminated. Cori Bush was also eliminated. Anyone who opposes Israeli government policy faces elimination.

The Strategy Question

Carlson asks whether this rigid, no-flexibility strategy actually works. He notes it is now being employed against conservatives, with people being slandered as Nazis or targeted for elimination. He wonders whether allowing some flexibility, as in any negotiation, would be more effective than total rigidity.

Uygur credits Carlson with forcing Israel into some flexibility almost single-handedly. Carlson protests that he has never been against Israel and is not against any person, being fundamentally opposed as a Christian to hating any group based on blood, including whites, blacks, Hispanics, Turks, and Jews. Despite constantly trying to settle things down and clarify his positions, it does not work.

Distinguishing Groups from Governments

Uygur emphasizes that mainstream media deliberately blends together Jewish people, attitudes toward Israel, and attitudes toward the Israeli government. Israel wants to use Jewish Americans as human shields, claiming that attacks on Israeli government policy are attacks on Jewish Americans. Uygur and Carlson repeatedly state they are talking about the current Israeli government, not Jewish people.

Carlson asserts his right as a sovereign individual to define his own thoughts, restating that he considers anti-Semitism immoral and will never engage in it. He finds it Orwellian that others attempt to tell him what he thinks and believes. No one has the right to define another person's soul or thoughts.

The Weaponization of Identity

Uygur, as an atheist, believes all humans are genetically the same, making him philosophically, ideologically, and scientifically opposed to claims that any religious or ethnic group is fundamentally different. He argues the weaponization of the term anti-Semitism does tremendous damage because when real anti-Semitism emerges, people may think those are the heroes fighting against genocide.

Carlson describes how this rhetoric has terrified people he knows and loves, convincing them he is a Nazi or Nazi-adjacent who wants to hurt people, the literal opposite of his intentions. He identifies the victims of this propaganda as including the people being terrified, who are preyed upon through their deepest fears. Uygur agrees that Jewish Americans are the number one target of Israeli propaganda, being told the whole world hates them, they will all die, and Israel is their only protection.

The Turkish-Armenian Example

Carlson uses the example of disagreeing with Turkish government actions to illustrate the absurdity of the anti-Semitism accusations. If someone opposes Turkey's incursion into northern Syria and is called an anti-Turkish racist, that would be recognized as lunacy. Disagreeing with a government action at a particular time does not mean hating an entire people forever. He applies the same logic to Iraq war opposition, which does not constitute hatred of Americans.

Uygur and his co-host Ana Kasparian exemplify the American promise. As a Turk and an Armenian working together on a show called The Young Turks, they demonstrate leaving ancient tribal conflicts behind and existing as equal American citizens. This is the most American sentiment imaginable: come to this country, leave your hatreds behind, and unite under the American flag while bringing your cultural contributions—food, language, traditions—but placing American identity first.

The Memorandum of Understanding

Uygur explains that Israel sought a new 20-year Memorandum of Understanding, an agreement between the United States and Israel that commits funding without votes during that period. Obama signed a 10-year memorandum guaranteeing Israel $3.8 billion annually. The money is automatically inserted into the budget each year, and anyone attempting to remove it faces accusations of anti-Semitism and career destruction.

Israel initially wanted 20 years at $5 billion annually, totaling another $100 billion borrowed from China with Americans paying interest for life. This excludes military obligations, so additional wars would cost even more. Due to pushback—the first time Uygur has seen Israel give an inch—Netanyahu suggested maybe 10 years with a taper.

Not Another Dollar and Operation Consequences

Uygur announces two initiatives: notanotherdollar.com and operationconsequences.com. The premise is simple: if a member of Congress takes money from Israel, vote against them in primaries. This applies to any country, but Israel currently gives to 94% of Congress. The sites will track two things: which members take money from Israeli lobbies (building on existing AIPAC Tracker resources) and which members vote to give money to Israel.

Uygur offers a clean slate for past votes but establishes a solemn pledge: vote one more time for another dollar to Israel and never receive support again. This is not about crossing party lines in general elections—Republicans can vote for Republicans, Democrats for Democrats—but about holding representatives accountable in primaries. Violence is explicitly rejected, with Uygur stating that anyone proposing violence is on the other side and should be turned into authorities.

The Poll Challenge

Uygur challenges CNN, the New York Times, Gallup, or any polling organization to conduct a simple poll: Does America owe Israel any more money? He predicts an overwhelming majority will say no. If establishment media refuses, he will commission the poll himself and they can verify it. Every pundit on television claims America owes Israel, but no one explains why.

Carlson agrees this is fundamental information citizens should have. Uygur argues that if 68%, 82%, or any significant majority of Americans oppose giving more money to Israel, the question becomes whether the voice of the American people matters. He notes that 92% of Democrats said what Israel did in Gaza was wrong before the election, yet both Joe Biden and Kamala Harris made clear they would serve Israel instead of their voters.

Following the Money

Uygur identifies AIPAC as Joe Biden's number one lifetime donor, giving over $11 million throughout his career. Biden was known in Washington as "the senator from MBNA," a credit card company in Delaware, literally known for corruption. His trademark was doing whatever donors told him, which is why the one promise he kept was to donors, telling them "nothing will fundamentally change."

Carlson notes that Biden gave his son a house, making the corruption fairly open. Those at the top do not want anything to change because change might cause them to slip from their position. The status quo benefits them, so they seek politicians who will maintain it.

The Darker Question

Carlson raises what he considers the central mystery: the ruling class is not just profiting while the country stagnates, but the rest of the country is measurably withering and dying. Life expectancy is declining. By every measure, normal people are going down in personal health and wellbeing. It is not enough that elites profit—it appears they are actively trying to hurt the people they rule. Carlson states he has reached this conclusion but does not understand what drives it.

Uygur responds that he is most angry at American politicians, distinguishing between foreign entities like Israel or pharmaceutical companies that will logically try to extract maximum benefit, and American representatives who are supposed to serve citizens but instead serve donors. The conversation is cut off as Uygur begins to discuss Trump's relationship with Sheldon Adelson, who gave $100 million in the 2016 election and made most of his money from gambling operations in Macau, China.

Video Transcript

Good to see you, Jenk. >> Good to see you, T. >> I I haven't seen you since we had a debate years ago, I think, um, at Politicon. Totally different world. But I was thinking this morning as I was driving in, I'm like, hm, of all the things you could do to infuriate your audience, this is probably at the top of the list. Like, you don't need to do this. Why are you doing this? >> Yeah. So, there's a couple reasons why. Number one, I want to take yes for an answer. Uh, you're anti-war. Uh we've been anti-war for 20 years. So >> I have not been. So bless you for that. >> Thank you, brother. And welcome. Glad to be here. >> And so that's amazing. That's important. Um and I also want to break down the barriers of Republicans versus Democrats, right-wing versus leftwing. I think that it's kind of used to divide us. Uh and I think that the powerful h already have an incredible elite team. They're very very organized and they do it through uh donations uh to the politicians etc. But the American people are not organized. Uh we have built two teams but those two teams the Republicans and the Democrats have been trained to fight each other instead of fighting up. Right. >> Exactly. >> And so when you split the population that way you take away all of their energy because you have their them use their energy against one another rather than against you. It's actually brilliant. That's how the British ruled India. >> Exactly. Right. >> Yes. And and it's done on a meta level in every way. Also, by the way, on a global level, Christians versus Muslims. Two billion here, two billion there. Make sure you guys are fighting one another. And hey, look at that. We've used up all your energy fighting one another and not looking up. >> I've noticed. Yeah. >> Okay. So, and then of course the third issue is Israel. And so, that's what I want to talk to you uh a lot about today. I hope. Uh, and I think that that's an animating issue for a number of reasons. Not because it's the end all be all, uh, but because it is deeply symbolic. Um, and so whether it's big pharma or big oil or APAC, uh, they are buying our politicians. And so you're a rare person saying that, uh, I'm a person saying that. And, uh, and they mainstream media works against us and they try to shut us up and say, "Sh, don't tell anybody about money and politics." >> Yes. No. No. These politicians are honest and honorable people having debates. They're not having any debates. They're cashing checks. And so I want all of America to know that. And and at the end of the day, Tucker, if we don't unite as Americans, uh the powerful are going to rule us forever. >> I think that's exactly that is absolutely true. So let's just start with motive. I hate going to motive because it's we don't even know our own motives a lot of the time, right? Motive is very hard to determine. But when this topic comes up, people go immediately to motive. You're taking money from somebody, a foreign power. Okay. You're a secret. You've got some secret religious affiliation. Um, you're filled with hate. It's all about why you have these views rather than addressing the views themselves. I've just noticed this having lived it. And so, I just want to ask you about Israel specifically. How did you come to this? And what are your motives? >> Yeah. So, uh, it's a difficult for me one for me because I have I grew up in a a town that was about 50% Jewish. So, I have tons of Jewish friends. I have Jewish family. I have a nephew and niece who are Jewish. And so, um, I don't want to make people uncomfortable and and I don't want this to be about the Jews. That's crazy. And what I tell people all the time is, >> hey, listen, I like my friend Dave, my friend Jack, Msad never called him and asked permission, right? Netanyahu was never like, "Hey, should we take 53% of Gaza? What do you think, Dave?" Right? So, that that's not how it works. So, if you're So, I I anyone who's got that intent, I'm not interested in. Okay? You're not going to have me as an ally. It's not going to work out. I have Jewish family. I have Jewish friends. I'll never sell them out. Okay? So, and the other thing about Jewish Americans is they're Americans and we're I believe in a united America. Okay? So, you're for America. I love you and I protect you. I'll give you one last example. I can give you thousands, right? But Dave Smith, Dave Smith is an amazing ally of ours. >> Wonderful man. >> Yeah, I agree. So if you come for Dave, you come for all of us. He's one of us. Okay. We protect our own Americans, right? >> Okay. >> So now, why do I have an issue with Israel then? Even though I would actually naturally want to ally with Israel, get into all the Jewish friends and family that I have, right? Um, and I didn't know a lot of Palestinians growing up. I only knew one Palestinian. We had one in our high school and we had hundreds of Jewish folks who loved Israel, etc. Right. The problem with Israel isn't just the genocide that they just committed. But that would be enough. That is a horrific injustice >> in Gaza. >> In Gaza, I mean, you've got it well over 70,000 dead. You've got God knows how many thousands buried in the rubble and they're adding to the count every day. We've got 10% of the entire population that was either killed or injured, which is a stunning number. That's why almost all every genocide scholar says it's obviously a genocide, right? >> 10% of the entire population. >> Yes. Either killed or injured. Okay. >> That' be over 200,000. >> Yes, that's right. Because the amount injured are well over 130,000. Okay. >> But just to be clear on that, like that's a number that we should know, I think, since we paid for it. And I think it's so important to know what death tolls and and the injury count is because you did this and you have to know what the consequences are. I think it's totally fair. We don't know in the Russia Ukraine war. We have no idea. And we have no idea in Gaza. And I So I just want to say that there are estimates that it's over half a million. I don't know if that's true or not, but that's the point. We should know that. We have a right to know that. >> So Tucker, that's going to go to points two and three. Uh which >> Sorry, I could just erupted with started interrupting. No, not at all. Not at all. But I I want to come back to that because two and three are super important because it's it's symbolic of the power that all the donor class has, not just Israel. But also with Israel, you have gaslighting that is extreme. Uh where where you don't have that in any other area. >> Can you explain what that is? >> So u you'll say, "Hey, uh I don't think we should give Israel another $30 billion or another hundred billion." I want to get into all these numbers in a second, right? and they'll say anti-semit. Now, so wait a minute, that doesn't make any sense. Like I you we could mad lib this, right? You take any Israeli talking point and put in a different country and it sounds absurd, right? Like you owe Thailand $300 billion. People will be like, "What? No, we don't. Anti-racist, right?" You like, "What? I don't even know any Thai people. What are you talking about? You're an anti-tist." Right. No, I'm not. Right. >> Why do you hate Thailand? >> Exactly. But that's See, but >> you're obsessed with Thailand. That's my favorite. You're obsessed with Thailand. Okay. >> Well, I by the way, I would be obsessed with Thailand if Thailand took $300 billion off of us, right? And if Thailand was like, you have to attack everyone else in Southeast Asia. You know, we have a Thai Christian heritage. Yeah. >> And imagine if India did that and they're like, we have a Hindu Christian heritage and that's why you need to attack Pakistan. >> Yeah. And by the way, if you're not fortacking Pakistan, you're clearly being paid by Bhutan. >> Yeah. Yeah. Of course. >> People who are getting who are working for a foreign government accusing you who just want to stay out of it of working for a foreign government. Is that what gaslighting is? >> Yeah. Gaslighting is when the media uh says takes something very reasonable you're saying, and makes it sound like it's crazy. Like, so we say we gave them 21.7 billion in the middle of a genocide. Okay. So that's on top of the 300 billion, right? And that's by the way 10 to 12 billion we spent bombing Iran, Yemen, and almost all their enemies in the same period of time. We just gave them another 8.6 billion and another 3.3 billion that happened in the last 2 weeks. So when you say, let's just take one sliver of that. Hey, I didn't want to pay for a genocide. I didn't want to do that. Right? Whether it was the tide, the Bulgarians, the Israelis, I just I I don't want to kill 20,000 children. I don't want you to spend my money killing 20,000 children. I don't care what race or religion they are. >> Why are you so hateful? >> Exactly. And that's literally what they say. >> No, I'm I'm against killing kids. They didn't do anything actually. >> Yeah. And they say, "So you hate Jews?" That's gaslighting, right? Right. That's So wait, >> oh, I live in that country. Yeah, I know what that is. >> Yeah. So I'm the one trying to stop the killing. I'm for nonviolence. In fact, I'm religiously for nonviolence. If I have any religion at all, it's nonviolence. my heroes Martin Luther King and Gandhi and Mandela. And so I say do not do any violence to anyone. It would be in fact if someone is doing violence, they're against us, right? And I say I and don't and you just heard me say it. I say it a thousand times. I love Jewish people. This is not about the Jews. So but this country wants us to pay for a genocide. I just don't want to pay for a genocide. They listen to all that and they go, "Now everybody understand that Jenu is an anti-semite who hates Jews and is like an immoral person and if you're not pro- genocide, you're anti-Jewish." No, no, no. Don't say that. Don't say that cuz you're actually going to get my Jewish friends hurt. When you say you're anti- genocide means you're anti-Jewish, that equates Judaism with genocide. Don't Don't I don't know anything that drives up anti-semitism more than that. But but back to the original injustice and then we'll get back to more and more gaslighting because the gaslighting is another perfect symbol of what mainstream media does and establishment media does, right? They gaslight on almost every issue. So real quick, one more like big pharma, we can't negotiate drug prices. They're like that's pro- free markets. >> No negotiation. That's capitalism. >> Not being able to negotiate prices is the exact opposite of the free markets. Everything on television is a lie. It's all an illusion. >> That's very funny. I've never really thought about it like that, but that is so true. >> I mean, why are we not rebelling against the biggest socialist or communist program in American history that we're not allowed to negotiate drug prices? What kind of absurdity is that? And we're the only country on earth that that that applies to. So, it just they they're they're like magicians. Establishment media. CNN and MSNBC, Fox, New York Times, Washington Post. They're like, "Look here. Look here." Meanwhile, the ash is going on here. >> So, the new year is here, but that does not mean you've got to overhaul your whole life. 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Like New Jersey, you grew up in New Jersey was a pharma stronghold. you know, Basking Ridge, that whole area is filled with pharma companies are making the drugs that they are not anymore. We don't make antibiotics. We don't make vitamin C. We don't make all these drugs because they offshore them. So, we protected them from fair competition by eliminating negotiation. And they left anyway. So, like what what's the upside here? I >> I gave you a thousand examples. We gave the semiconductor industry 50 some odd billion dollars under Biden. That was the chips act. And all the Democrats are like, "He's FDR 2.0." I'm like, "Guys, that's a $50 billion corporate subsidy." Okay. And did we put any guard rails in? So, did we say, "Hey, Intel, here's at least eight of the 50 billion going straight to you." I think it might have been 12 in that ballpark. So, now as condition to that, you're supposed to build here in America. So, you can't fire any Americans. If you fire any Americans, then obviously we're not going to give you the money because a sensible reason for us giving you the money is to build a semiconductor industry here in America. Exactly. Right. Intel fired 8,000 people right after the bill passed cuz there's no guard rails. Cuz why? Intel wrote >> Americans. >> 8,000 Americans. Of course, immediately. They fired him immediately. It's a joke. The whole thing's a joke that none of the politicians mean it. And the people that allow them to get away with all of this. So, so all of that is the robbery, right? >> Mainstream media is the getaway car. Okay? So, they come in and they make excuses. Oh, FDR 2.0. It's brilliant to give away your money to the semiconductor industry. It's brilliant to give it away to big former and to Israel and if any anybody objects they're conspiracy theorists and anti-semmites etc. Their job is not to cover the news it's to cover up the news. So I mean again look at >> that is literally true. >> Yeah. So Obama ran a campaign called a campaign ad called Billy back in 2008 and it was about the deal to not negotiate drug prices. It was outrageous. Everyone hated it. A Democrat named Billy Tosen had negotiated it in Congress. That's why the ad was called Billy. And Obama was saying, "I'm not going to be like those Democrats." Right. Yeah. He got in, said, "We're not negotiating drug prices." Trump said, "We're gonna negotiate drug prices." Not gonna negotiate drug prices. >> I knew Billy Tosan really well. Uh wonderful guy from Shack Bay, Louisiana. Um just a really charming guy. I used to hunt with him a lot. And um I always loved him, still do. But he went from Congress to what do you know what his next job was? >> Lobbyist. >> Head of uh big pharma. >> Exactly. He was the head pharma lobbyist. >> And that's my point, Tucker. I'm not attacking him, but that that happened. I was there. >> Yeah. >> Like what? >> So mainstream media looks at that and goes, "No, I don't see it. >> I don't see it. >> I I I don't." Big farmer gives more like four times more than the Israeli lobby does. And they're like, "No, I don't see it." I'm like, "Isn't the adage follow the money?" Like, so here is an industry giving billions of dollars to politicians. That's a lot of money. Oh, yeah. 5,000 at a time, right? And then super PACs, etc. They seem like they're bribing almost all of Congress. No. Nope. Conspiracy theory. I had a um >> because they're bribing all the media, too, with drug companies. >> Of course, that's the number one advertisers are drug companies. Number two advertisers, by the way, are politicians. Why do they always say that politicians are honest and they're having real debates cuz politicians are actually their top clients. So, when you spend $17 billion in money in politics, where does it go? It goes almost all to establishment media to buy ads. So the Republican party and the Democratic Party are the best clients that CNN, New York Times have. So they are always talking about how great the Republican and Democratic parties are, how terrible primaries are. Primaries use up that money. We didn't get all those bribes to send it spend it in a primary. We we got it to have a fake fight in the general election where you have you paid the lesser of two evils. Haha, we got you. So that's you can that's the Rosetta Stone. money in politics. Once you see that, you see how politics works and you also see how media works, which then leads us back to Israel. So we say, guys, it they have contributed, Guardian did a piece on this. The Israeli lobby has contributed to 94% of Congress. Okay. First, do you think they did that for their health, for the general welfare, or do you think that every group they have is named after Israel because the whole point is to support Israel? Right. That's not a complicated question. It's the American Israeli political action committee. It's got Israel. One of the groups is called Democratic Majority for Israel. They ran $4 million worth of ads against Nina Turner, which is one of Bernie Sanders campaign shares uh to make sure that she was defeated by Shantel Brown. Shantel Brown was one of 11 people running against Nina Turner. Had almost no ratings at all. Nina had a 35point lead. She was running against Lilipuchian. Shantel Brown puts a a statement on her website saying how much she loves Israel. Boom. $4 million appears. All in favor of Shantel Brown. All against Nina Turner. That's her raising her hand, saying, "I will work for Israel." >> And what happened in the end? >> They erased a 35point lead. They bought every ad in Cleveland. And most importantly, they got mainstream media to say, "Now remember, Nina Turner hates Joe Biden, so she loves Donald Trump." Now that's Cleveland voters. They don't want that. Right now, is that true? No. She has has said a statement that voting for Biden is like eating a half bowl of But okay, but she said but voting for Trump is like eating a full bowl of So what am I going to do? I'll eat the half. Right. She they never ever put the second half of the statement in. They just said in every news story, whether it's on TV or in the newspapers, Nita Turner says voting for Biden is eating a half full of She's so Trump favored, but how could she be proTrump? The rest of the sentence says he's twice as bad. So people in mainstream media are giant liars. They've lied about me all the time. They lie about Republicans, Democrats, but mainly they lie to protect the donor class. So then again, back to Israel and because it's such a perfect symbol. 94% of Congress, it's not 34%. You add 34%, you can say, "Yeah, they have a lot of control. That's a lot of money that they're giving to a third of our Congress." says 64% you'd say come on they have enormous power if not control and 94% it's clearly control further uh story uh part of that guardian story is 82% of Congress votes basically with Israel every single time that 82% on average getsund just in that last election cycle let alone all the other ones $125,000 per member of Congress now establishment media says that's not not a bribe. They're just talking to one another. Oh, hey, how you doing? Here's $125,000 so you'll vote for Israel, but it's not for so you'll vote for Israel. It's so you can have a better debate or whatever. And and they're like, of course, that's not a bribe and they don't control those members. Well, how come they vote with Israel every single time? Why don't you follow the money? I thought the old adage of journalism was follow the money. And every time we ask you to follow the money, you call us an anti-semite. That's really, really weird. That's a super weird thing to do. Again, Madlip, fill in any other country. Imagine that Bulgaria was giving to 94% of Congress >> or Great Britain or Sweden >> or any country. It >> doesn't matter. >> It doesn't matter. And you said, "Well, it seems like the Bulgarians are have 94% of our Congress locked up. HOW DARE YOU ANTI-BULGARIAN RACIST, you bulgarist." Right? It would be absurd. It would be absurd. So, of course, you have to point this out. So, and what have they gotten in return for the hundreds of millions that Apac and other Israeli lobby organizations have put into Congress? At this point, they've probably put in over a billion dollars collectively over all those years. So, well, what they've gotten back is over $300 billion in funding uh through the lifetime of Israel adjusted for inflation. That's before October 7th. October 7th, we add that 21.7. You could argue 10 or 12 billion more for the wars we're fighting for them. Those are not free. Every time we drop a bomb on Iran or Yemen or Nigeria, it cost us money or Iraq. >> Or Iraq. >> That's why we did that. >> Yeah. But look, if you get into that, the global war on terror, which is, if we're being honest, the global war against Israel's enemies cost us 8 trillion. >> Right. >> So Israel's lucky if we don't count that 8 trillion. >> It's why we're bankrupt. Yeah. I mean, here we are at 38 trillion. And Tucker, that's the other amazing part. >> So now in the last two weeks, they give Trump gave another 8.6 billion totally unaccounted. Where's that 8.6 billion coming from? Did anybody ever vote for that 8.6 billion? And then unabated, he gave another 3.3 billion. Where is this money coming from? Is anybody voting on this? What is going on? >> It's these are IUs to countries that are buying our treasuries. Exactly. So that's the next layer of it. So you're telling us we have to borrow money from China and Japan so we can give money for free to Israel and then we pay the interest for the rest of our lives and they don't pay any interest. Well, why don't they borrow it from China and Japan? >> Exactly. >> Why are we borrowing it and give it to them? >> We're excited to tell you about a new project from Amazon MGM called Melania. For years, the people in charge have tried to tell you who she is, but they didn't show you who she is. Now you can see for yourself. Every protocol, every precaution, every single move, meticulously coordinated. This new film takes you inside the 20 days leading up to the 2025 presidential inauguration. And it does it through the eyes of the first lady, Melania Trump. The briefings, the plannings, the private conversations. Witness what it takes to get there to become first lady of the United States. Mark your calendars. Melania premieres in theaters January 30th. And but can I ask you a question that really bothers me? Why don't people who support Israel or any foreign cause pay for the cause themselves? Like there are a lot of very rich people. I know some I like some who are, you know, profoundly pro-Israel and really think about it a lot, care about it a lot, have friends and family. They're great. Why don't they and some of these people are worth billions and billions and billions. Why don't they why do taxpayers have to pay for this? Why don't they just donate the money to Israel? I'd never have understood that and no one will answer that question. >> Uh because of leverage and economies of scale. So let's take Larry Ellison as an example. So to be fair to Larry Ellison, the founder of Oracle, he actually did the thing that you say. He gave $16 million to the IDF in the middle of the genocide uh as a donation. >> How about five billion? I mean that's $16 million for It's not much actually. >> Yeah. So I'm I'm going to get back. So he's like, "Hey, genocide. Well done. Keep genociding. Here's 16 million more. It's a really it's an outrageous thing to do, but okay. You love Israel. You love that they're committing a genocide against Palestinians. You despise Palestinians. You're deeply racist. And you you're a bigot against Muslims. That's your business, Larry. Okay. So, but now he thinks, wait a minute. What if I give to American politicians and then instead of me giving the 5 billion or the 50 billion, we get to sucker American taxpayers to give it, right? So now, how can I do that? It's actually simple. >> It's so dishonorable that I can I can't really even fit that in my head >> to to folks. >> I don't force other people to pay for charities I support. I mean, I support them because I support them. I mean, that's what integrity is. I can't imagine sticking a gun in someone's face and say, "You have to donate to my charity." >> Yeah. So, and in this case, it's not a charity. It's a >> no cause that you believe in, you know. Okay. >> Yeah. So, then uh Drop Site News has done some terrific reporting and they found uh emails of a Hud Barack, the former prime minister of Israel and and others. >> Can I say it? Drop site news has done some amazing reporting. >> Yeah. Fantastic. >> It's unbelievable. >> And in fact, the way that establishment media is not covering their stories shows you what a joke it is. >> Dropsite news breaks more story. I I didn't really was wasn't really sure what it was until recently. They're breaking more stories than the New York Times, Washington Post put together by far. >> Yeah, it's not an accident. Uh that's because they're trying to break stories and the New York Times >> is trying to do the opposite. And Epstein stories are amazing and we should get back to >> they're unbelievable. I'm sorry to interrupt. Just wanted to say that. >> No, no, absolutely. So, Drop Site News found uh emails of Larry Ellison talking to the Israeli ambassador and he says, this is back in 2016 u 2015 2016 that campaign and he says, "I'm going to go vet Marco Rubio for Israel." Now, remember Larry Ellison's ostensively an American. Okay. But he doesn't he's talking to the Israeli ambassador and says, "I'm going to make sure Marco Rubio is on Israel's side." Then he goes and talks to him at a party. He comes back and then reports back to the Israeli ambassador. Don't worry, he's on our side. I'm giving him five million for his super PAC. By the way, at that time, that's against Donald Trump. Okay. So, that's Larry Ellison saying, I'm basically buying Marco Rubio on behalf of Israel. So, that doesn't even go to Marco Rubio's Apac tracker. On Apac tracker, he's over a million dollars from the Israeli lobby, but they've got all this secret money and their super PACs and the all other things that they have. And in that case, he's caught because we have his emails. So don't tell me he's not working for the Israelis when we have emails showing he works for the Israelis. And then what is the re consequence of that? Hey, look at that. Marco Rubio, Secretary of State. And now we're going to war against Iran, maybe Venezuela. We're doing everything that Israel wants. And so that's a nice break they caught. What a coincidence. And by the way, this is not a partisan issue. You had Obama's former speech writer go out the other day and say, "We probably overtaught the Holocaust to our kids." Okay. This woman, I think Sarah Herurwitz, but if I got the name wrong. That's right. >> Yeah. Uh, so that's off the top of my head of of who she is, but she Obama speech writer and she says we should we we taught them the Nazis were strong and oppressed the weak, but now Israel is strong and and targeting the weak, so we shouldn't teach that anymore. I'm like, "Do you hear yourself? Do you hear what you're saying?" And then at Free Press, somebody wrote an article about, "Oh, our kids, they they're against genocide now. What did we do wrong?" You didn't do anything wrong. You taught them a wonderful thing. You told them you taught them Jewish culture. Never again. Stick up for the underdog. Question authority. >> You can't murder innocents. I mean, that is that's like a baseline. You can't murder people who didn't do anything wrong cuz it is murder. There's no justification for killing innocent people ever. So, if you think about it, let's just take the Marco Rubio example, and I'm not putting it all on Rubio. It's a giant institution and infrastructure, and like I said, it's 94% of Congress, right? But you put in 5 million of Marco Rubio. A decade later, he's Secretary of State. And in the middle of your genocide, you got 21.7 billion. Now, if you're Larry Ellison, do you want to put in the 20 bill1 billion yourself or do you want to put in 5 million to a politician and then you get the 21 billion for free? The problem is that it it treats the people who are giving the money against their will. There's never been a vote on this. It would if there was a national referendum on should we be sending tens of billions of dollars to a country uh not our own. Of course, it would it would fail immediately. But it treats those people um very badly as kind of subhuman. Like who cares what they think? We're just going to take their money in debt their children unto the generations. And it just the contempt that that displays for Americans is is unsettling to me. >> So I have a proposal on that uh Tucker. So why don't we do a poll and I challenge SN New York Times Gallup anyone to do this poll and if none of them accept the challenge then we'll do the poll. We'll commission the poll and then we'll see and then they could verify it if they like. And the poll is does America owe Israel any more money? Because every pundit on television say we owe Israel. We owe Israel. I they never explain why, right? You owe >> people really say that >> all the time they say, "Okay, what do you mean 300 billion? You owe Israel. Of course, you should pay them 300 billion. Why do Why do I pay them 21 or 31 billion in the middle of a genocide? You owe Israel. Why do I owe Israel? No one ever explains." No one ever explains. >> They actually I've never heard that. They actually say that out loud. We owe them. >> Of course. Of course. >> For what? Where's the debt from? >> Yeah. And so, and when I press I press on every one of these talking points. That's part of why they despise me, right? And I say, "Okay, help me understand that. Why? Why? Why would we owe Israel?" Well, they suffered a Holocaust. The Jewish people, well, first of all, the Jewish people did, not Israel, right? That's different. Okay, but wait, we rescued them from the Holocaust. >> And all those Americans died, a lot of hundreds of thousands of Americans died fighting war. >> If we rescued them from the Holocaust, why do we owe them money? It's like none of these talking points make any sense. If you all you do is, you know, just prick the bubble and and it people instantly go, "Oh, wait a minute. Lift the curtain." So, here we rescued, >> but they'll actually say that. >> Yeah. So, the Bosnians, right, for example, right? We rescued them from a genocide from the Serbs, right? And I'm proud of that. I think we did uh, you know, we saved tons and tons of lives. And you can say maybe we shouldn't have interfered. Maybe we should be more isolationist. It's a good debate, but at least we did something demonstrably good there. Okay. Did the Bosnians after we rescue them from the genocide come and to say to us, you owe us? No. They said, "Thank you. You, by the way, you won't find anyone on this planet who loves Americans more than Bosnians." Okay? And so, they love America. They appreciate America. Poland lost 5 million people in the Holocaust. 1.8 million non-Jews, 3 million Jews. So, after the Holocaust, Poland could have said, "You owe us." No, we saved Poland. Russia saved Poland. We saved Jews. Russia saved Jews. By the way, did Russia ever get a thank you after losing what 20 million or so people in the war, right? Instead, now Israel's constantly attacking Russia. I got no love for Russia. I think Putin is wrong. I I don't I don't think he should have invaded Ukraine. But wait a minute. Why does anybody owe Israel for anything? It doesn't make any sense at all. >> No, it doesn't. >> Okay. So, now they want a new memorandum of understanding. They were going to try to make it 20 years and partly because of you and us and all the people that are going wait why that a memorandum of understanding is a president saying we owe you for the next 10 years 20 years etc. >> And that's a that's an agreement between the United States and Israel. >> Yes. So for example, Obama signed a 10-year memorandum of understanding saying we owe Israel 3.8 billion every year for 10 years. >> So no votes on it during that period. The only votes you get is it gets put automatically into the budget every year. And once it gets put in, you have to actively take it out. But if you go to take it out, they'll call you an anti-semite and try to ruin your career. I have amazing stories about that. Um Marie Newman, a US congresswoman, uh voted against one of the appropriations that Israel got. Four Democratic colleagues come on the floor of the House and say, "How dare you? you. How dare you vote against Israel. We're going to take away all your money. >> Actually, that yes, you could ask Marina about it. She said it on the Young Turks. >> This happened just a couple years ago. Okay. She was in Congress from Illinois. They said, "We're going to take away all your money and we're going to spend a ton of money against you." >> Her own party. >> Yeah. Her own party. And that's what happened. They spent about 4 million against her. Eliminated. >> Uh, no way. >> Andy Lean, a Jewish American congressman from Michigan, kind of a legendary Jewish family in Michigan. Yeah, Car was a senator. >> Sander Le. >> Yeah. Andy Lean says two-state solution. He says, "I love Israel. I'm a Zionist." Okay, but obviously we should have a free and independent Israel and a free and independent Palestine. 4 million against Andy Leven eliminated. >> No way. >> Eliminated. Jamal Bowman. You think it was about the fire alarm, right? You might be upset about the fire alarm or whatever else Jamal Bowman did. 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Check out libertiesafe.com today as it celebrates and honors this anniversary with special safes and offers throughout the year. Can I ask you a qu I mean this this is shocking and I I'm I'll confess I don't follow the details of Democratic politics closely enough to have heard of any of this. I knew about Jamal Bowman but the rest I didn't. So I'm I wonder about that strategy which they're now employing on the right and trying to you know slandering people as Nazis or trying to get them killed um which they're doing. Uh but I wonder like as a strategy obviously it's immoral but does it actually work? Isn't it better to say as you would in any negotiation like here are the things I actually care about let's see if we can come to terms like allow a little bit of flexibility. There's no flexibility allowed. >> Well Tucker congrats. you uh have forced Israel into some flexibility almost single-handedly. >> I don't feel that at all. I feel that um because I've never been against Israel and I'm not against Israel now. I'm not against any person actually. And I'm certainly as a Christian totally opposed to hating a group based on its blood. That would include whites, blacks, Hispanics, Turks, and Jews. And I mean that. So, whatever. I've really tried to be like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's settle this down." It doesn't work. And I just wonder that doesn't seem like a good strategy. I guess that's what I'm saying. Like just as a negotiating >> position, it's like you have to have some willingness to move. You can't be that rigid or you're not going to win in the end. >> Yeah. So, the reason I said that is because look, first let's distinguish. There's mainstream media purposely blends all these things together. Uh partly because Israel wants to use Jewish Americans as human shields. They want to say if you're attacking us, you're attacking Jewish Americans. And so you're not allowed to. You're not allowed to. Right? But in reality, there's Jews as people/Jewishameans. Then there's how you feel about Israel. Then there's how you feel about the Israeli government. >> Right? We are talking about the current Israeli government. And they say, "No, you're talking about Jews." Because they want to hide behind that. Right? When we keep saying, "No, not the Jews." And they're like, "No, the Jews. The Jews." We're like, "Stop saying the Jews. It's not the Jews." >> Well, moreover, I get to define what I think and what I'm talking about. And let me repeat myself. I think anti-semitism is immoral and I won't engage in it ever. Period. So I get to decide because I'm a sovereign man what I think and I can try to express it as well as I can. You no one has a right to tell you what you think. >> Yeah. It's it's it's really obnoxious to the >> Orwellian. It's like are you in charge of my soul? I don't think you are. >> So I for example I'm an atheist. So what does that mean? That means I think all humans are pretty much the same genetically. Right? That's I'm stone cold. Uh, so if you told me a Jewish, a Muslim, a Christian, a Hindu is different, I'm philosophically opposed to that. I'm ideologically opposed to that. I'm scientifically opposed to that. I just think it's wrong. It's not it's incorrect, factually incorrect. So that is a distraction and a and and they've now weaponized the term anti-semitism, which also does a lot of damage because when real anti-semitism comes, people will think, "Oh, those are the heroes fighting against the genocide." Right? That's what I was told. But it also scares people. I mean, I've experienced this a lot in my personal life where people I know and love have been convinced that I'm, you know, Nazi or Nazi adjacent or hate Jews or whatever, and that I'm trying to hurt people, which is literally the opposite of what I would ever do, want to do. I don't agree with that at all. And I say that constantly. But they've whipped people into a frenzy, praying upon their deepest fears. And there are many victims of that kind of evil. But one of the victims is the people who are being terrified. Like people are terrified. >> I think actually the number one um target of Israeli propaganda is Jewish Americans. >> Of course, >> they say, "Oh, if it's not for Israel, the whole world hates you and you're all going to die. You're all going to die. Everyone hates you. Your only protection is it's a hate that can't be even reasoned with or discussed. You don't have to know anything about why people disagree. It's hate. It's fundamentally irrational and it will never end. And until they kill you or you kill them, it's like whoa. That is a very heavy thing. First of all, it's untrue. Second, you're inspiring violence by talking like that. I mean, that the only end point of that kind of thinking is violence. It can only be solved by violence. Kill or be killed. That's what they're saying. >> Yeah. And so again, mad libit say, okay, let's say that you oppose something the Turkish government did, which I hope you do because they've done plenty of bad things. I oppose a bunch of things that the Turkish government has done. If after you >> I just don't like Turks. That's that's my problem. >> But I mean, that's the point, right? If if you said, "Hey, you know, I don't think the Turks should have gone into northern Syria." And I say, "Anti-Turkish racist." You'd be like, "What? What kind of lunatic are you?" Right? That's not a thing. That doesn't just because you disagree with the actions of a government at this time doesn't mean that you hate Turks in perpetuity forever and ever. You hated them before, you hate them afterward. No, I just don't agree. Look, I didn't agree with the Iraq war. Does that mean I hate Americans? No, it means I don't agree with that government action taken at that time. >> It's and all of that is very logical until you get to Israel and then they flip it on its head. But can you see how irrational and fear-based the conversation is becoming and the cost to American society? Not even having anything to do with Israel, but just that way of thinking is a scary way of thinking. First of all, it's identity politics in its purest form. You know, this group versus that group, this group has special rights. This group has fewer rights. I mean, this is everything that I hate and disagree with as a Christian. But can you see the cost to the whole society because of this? >> Enormous cost. So, you know, >> making people hate each other. >> Yeah. Look, I'm I'll go back to the stats on how awful the genocide was and all of that, but to me, at least as bad is the control over this country. Okay. And I came here to be free and I came here for American sovereignty. >> How old were you when you came? >> 8 years old. My family came here uh because my dad is an enormous believer in America. Like, you won't find a family who loves America more than we do, right? And by the way, he had that belief in faith and it was met. We came here and that faith was true. That hope was delivered. And we have lived amazing lives in this country because of the opportunity and the hope that this country provided. And by the way, our answer to that is thank you. >> Amen. I feel that way. I feel grateful. >> Yeah. I'm enormously grateful to America. And by the way, when America helps you, the correct answer is thank you. Not you owe me. >> Okay. Give me more. That's not the correct answer, right? >> And it's not taken as a correct answer from any other country. But when it comes to Israel and they say, "No, give me more." Right? >> We supposed to say, "Oh, thank you, sir." No, I don't want to say thank you. >> You have children. How would you respond to your children if they said that to you? >> Oh, you that would be a mistake for them. Yes. >> Oh, you can't. >> And there would be consequence. >> Oh, yeah. You can't put up with that. Not for one second. You degrade yourself. You hurt the person you're dealing with because you inspire more of that behavior which is totally bad behavior. Yeah. It's so unhealth. I mean, how could we get how do we get into this? Yeah. Let me let me give you two examples about how they are taking our freedom away. Okay. So, a friend of mine runs a company in LA. Uh he gets an email from what looks like probably a bot, but it could be an Israeli troll, whatever it is. But some writing in saying, "We found out that one of your American workers is an anti-semite and you should fire her." He's like, "Really? Oh, I didn't know that. What did she do? Did she attack someone? Did she say something outrageous?" And he finds out that she had put up a Palestinian flag during the genocide in support of like, "Hey, I'm against the genocide, these poor people on her Facebook account." That's it. Nothing against it. >> You're allowed to have that view. You can support the Palestinians. You can support Hamas. She can support whatever you want as an American, >> but she's not supporting Hamas. She's not >> I get it. But like, let's just remind ourselves that we have a full range of intellectual freedom because of the First Amendment and because God gave us those rights, not any administration. So like, you cannot allow infringement on those rights. She doesn't even say anything against Israel, let alone Jews. She just says, you know, just has the Palestinian flag. They're like that's just an average American. It's not Tucker Carlson. It's not Jane Girl with She doesn't have a show. just a random American. Now all of a sudden the Israelis are emailing your boss and saying if they dare even support the Palestinians, treat them as humans, they're anti-semites and they should be fired. No. No. That's oppression. That's oppression. And it's against the average American. I can't stand it. Okay. So you and I get attacked is oppression non-stop. But I get it. We're in the media. We're in wars, right? These information wars, these media wars, etc. But leave average Americans out of it. And they and they won't tolerate it. They won't tolerate any disscent any disscent at all. >> What is that? >> Because so you know why Tucker, it's worked for them. So now that gives leads to the second example, Barry Weiss, right? So Barry Weiss claims she's like, remember when she was at the New York Times, she's fighting against cancel culture. Our college campuses have been taken over by cancel culture. She promoted cancel culture when she was on the campus of her college Columbia when she pushed for anyone who was against Israel to be silenced. I mean, she's always been for cancel culture. >> Exactly. So, she actually started her career as a student who went around saying, "I'm proudly Zionist and I'm going to try to take out Arab Arab and Muslim professors who don't tow the line for Israel." So, she got famous doing cancel culture on college campus. >> Oh, I remember very well. >> Then she pretends in the middle of her career that she's against cancel culture, specifically on college campuses. I mean, the lie is so brazen, right? And then she goes to free press and then starts cancel culture again on college campuses. They spoke out against Israel. They should be fired. They should be arrested. >> Oh, yeah. >> It's wait. >> I'm a dangerous Nazi. >> Yeah. Wait, you're talking about arresting Americans for disagreeing with another government, with another country? I mean, if you're not bothered by that, then you're you're you have a servant mindset, right? >> Yes. >> These folks obviously have 94% of Congress. They obviously pro-Israel factions have almost all of established media. We can come back to why, okay? And I'm okay with it. I will serve them. Well, I'm not okay with it. I I don't want to bow. I love that America's free. We came for that freedom and that freedom is delivered for us. But I don't want to give it away. I don't want to give it away to anyone. If I wanted to give away my freedom, I would have stayed in the Middle East. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I came here for the promise of America. Our family did. So, and and you know, among among Muslim Americans, there is no group. I I was born Muslim. I'm atheist now. Okay. So, I at 22, I went through the religions. It wasn't for me. Okay. But am I going to defend the my family and my background? Sure I am. Of course. Right. But ideologically I'm atheist. So um I had we this country had room for me. And this country didn't ask are you Muslim? Are you atheist? Are you this? Are you that? It just it gave me the same rights as anyone else. And I love that. And I'm I'm pretty sure I mean Erdogan's taking away democracy in Turkey in my opinion. Yes. >> And he's done some good foreign policy but his his domestic policy I'm I'm against. Okay. If I stayed in Turkey, I would almost certainly be in prison at this point. Right. And here I'm not in prison. >> No. >> And if you turn America into an occupied nation, that's not what we came for. That's not what I mean. That's against the core of what America is. And if they're paying 94% of Congress, we're occupied. >> Yes, >> we are. What? And it's not just Israel. We're occupied by big pharma and big oil and defense contractors. But all those politicians represent those people and not us. I would love my driving goal is regain American sovereignty. And when I go to talk to Muslim groups, a they say, "Look, now all of a sudden they're very open to the rightwing." Why are they open to the right-wing? Cuz you, Candace, Megan, and others are saying, "Hey, maybe we got fed a lot of propaganda to hate Muslims because they happen to be Israel's enemies." >> Well, of course. And so maybe all that media about how they're all oh they're terrorists terrorists there and you look at it and go and we were taught by books that Robert Maxwell bought uh that um Israel was attacked in 1948. Israel was attacked in 1967. Israel's always the victim victim. Victim and then you look you go wait a minute 1967 Israel attacked. I was lied to. No. Israel attacked all of its neighbors and destroyed their military their air forces before they even got up off the ground. Right. And they called that a preemptive strike. So that became the new self-defense is offense. And what did we do in Iraq? Preemptive strike. We went into Iraq and they could have weapons of mass destruction. By the way, where did we get that false intelligence? Israel. At the time, Ariel Chiron was saying Iraq is Israel's number one enemy. Iraq at the time, by the way, hated al Qaeda. Al Qaeda attacked us. >> Of course, was a ba'ist government. And it was secular. They had tons of Christians in the government. >> Yeah. Not only that, Al Qaeda constantly attacked the local rulers. So if Saddam ever caught al Qaeda, he executed him on the spot, right? So in a sense, he's a an ally of sorts in that case against al Qaeda and a counterbalance to Iran >> which had held our hostages for over a year in 1979. So it's like >> that was in no sense consistent with her interests. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 at all. Despite the many, many lies. Uh I knew people who told those lies. Really, really Steve Hayes wrote a whole book about it was a lie. No one's ever apologized. But those lies all served one imperative, which is fight Israel's enemies. I was there. So I know that that's true and everyone knows that that's true and you're now required to lie about it. It was just a mistake. It was not a mistake at all. It was totally intentional. >> Yeah. And so when I give speeches to those Muslim groups and I talk about American sovereignty, that's when I get the biggest applause because who is the victim of another government meddling in in the American government the most? Muslim Americans are >> because I mean there's no equivalent. I mean for any money that the Gulf countries or anything else puts into America, it doesn't get any power at all. >> Okay. So but the Turks, this is interesting cuz you were born in Turkey. You came here at 8. your co-host on your show or someone on your show, Anna Casparian is just a wonderful person I think, but um is Armenian. So, one of the most famous feuds in history, one of the most famous genocides was the Armenian genocide right after the during the First World War. And here you are good friends and work together every day. And that to me is a huge part of the promise of America. You can leave your tribal wars in the countries of origin and come here and interact as equals under the American flag as citizens. Like that is truly the vision I think everyone. You know, we imported tons of Irish in the 1840s into an Anglo country. They didn't need each other. Those countries had been hated each other for centuries, but they all came here and pretty much got along sort of watching the Israelis import, which they are doing and their many proxies in the US importing their ancient tribal conflicts into my country telling me that as an Anglo multi-entury American, my family, that I have to hate Muslims or something. It's like first of all, I'll decide who I hate, not you. It's not up to you who I hate. You're not in charge of me. And second, like that's your battle. Why don't you keep it in the Levant? Like I don't want anything to do with that, right? Yeah. But now it completely dominates you. I hate Muslims. It's like first of all, I believe in Jesus. I'm not a Muslim, but I like a lot of Muslims. And I'm never going to say I don't. >> And isn't that funny that they're like, if you don't agree to everything the Israeli government does, then you hate Jews. But if you don't >> I don't hate Jews and I don't hate Muslims and I don't want any part of their fight. I MEAN, WHY WOULD I? >> BUT WAIT, TUCKER. Then they go on to the second part of the sentence. So like if you disagree with Israel, you're a big begg. Then they say you have to hate Muslims. Well, wait a minute. I thought you were against bigotry. So you're not against bigotry. >> So how is hate all Muslims any different from hate all Jews? Well, it's not. >> It's not. >> It's not right. It's the same. And but these, you know, you have people who don't believe in universal principles. And that's kind of the core problem. It's like only certain types of hate are bad. Only certain kinds of bigotry bad. No, no, no. If bigotry is bad, it's always bad because all people are created by God and they're inherently equal. They may have different abilities. They do have different abilities, but they have equal value. And if you don't believe that, which Barry Weiss doesn't, then you can with a straight face say anti-semitism is wrong. I agree with you, Barry Weiss. Hating Muslims is right. No. >> I mean, >> I don't agree with you. I'm sorry. >> Yeah. And >> by the way, don't bring that into my country. Go away. >> Yes. Laura Loomer, Mark Levvin say all the time, "You should hate Muslims. Muslims are the problem." Well, then you've lost your moral high ground. >> Well, they don't believe in a universal principle. It's just It's just identity politics. It's no better than any other form of identity politics, and it's all disgusting and immoral. >> Exactly. So, whereas to your point, Anna and I do a show together, and that's an Armenian and a Turk doing a show together, >> literally. in a show called The Young Turks. I was like, well, I first thought it was this years ago. I was like, holy smokes. >> People may not know what the Young Turks were, but whatever. >> Isn't that beautiful? Isn't that a beautiful thing about >> the promise of America? Leave your tribal your ancient tribal conflicts and your countries of origin and come here and exist as equal citizens under the law. That is the that is to me that's the most American sentiment I can imagine. >> Yeah. And so, and by the way, when you do that, that doesn't mean that you leave your entire culture behind. Don't bring your food. Don't bring your language. Don't bring this. Don't bring that. I agree. No, no. We've had all the Italians brought pizza. The Jews brought bagel and locks and and pastrami. And the Chinese brought It's great and wonderful. Love it. Love it. Love it. But you have to agree that America is your top identity. >> Of course. >> Or else you're going to have hoous and tootsies murdering each other in your cities. >> Yeah. Like, no. How about no? >> You have to be an American. It means something to be an American. It means you put ancient tribal hatred aside. I mean, so when you look at the young Turks, our audiences, Armenians, Greeks, Jews, Muslims, Christians, everyone, everyone. And in the old world, that wouldn't have happened. That's why we came here cuz we don't want the old world. We want this world, this world of freedom and equality. >> Amen. Amen. I just could not agree with what you said more strongly. I just really feel it. >> Yeah. So, back to the memorandum of understanding why. >> Sorry, I'm a degressor. >> No, Jenk. I'm doing the same thing. So they say 20-year the new one we want is a 20-year memorandum of us. So we have to give you a 20-year contract and they say the 4 billion that we're giving them currently per year on top of everything else is not enough. And they started talking about 5 billion. So wait a minute now 5 billion 20 years we're talking about another hundred billion we're going to borrow from China to give to Israel and then pay interest the rest of our lives. And this is exclusive of this does not include military obligations. So if there's another war, of course we'll backs stop it with missile defense or whatever carriers in the region, right? So it doesn't even include that. >> Yeah. So uh but because they got so much push back, this is the first time I've ever seen the Israelis give an inch. All of a sudden, Netanyahu comes out and goes, "Maybe 10 years. Maybe we taper it off." Right. It's total >> Maybe go away and never come back. >> Yeah. How about that? So look, I started a a site, not another dollar.com. Okay? Not another dollar.com. >> Is that a hate site? >> They will call it that. So what we're saying is, look, two two things. One is uh number one, uh if you if a Congress person takes money from Israel, vote against them. Okay? Now, why? Because we want our representatives to be our representatives. It's not an outrageous ask. It's a bare minimum ask, right? uh and happy to apply to any country. Okay. But right now, Israel is the one giving to 94% of Congress. So there has to be some consequences. I agree. >> So since we're peaceful and nonviolent and by the way again violence destroys any movement. That is why a lot of times counterinsurgencies start the violence of course >> right so that they could destroy. So if anyone >> There's nothing more real than false flags. >> Yes. >> That's just a fact. It's been a feature of warfare, hot and cold, from the beginning of history. >> So, do if anyone proposes violence, they're on the other side. Okay? Reject them, turn them in, turn them into the authorities. Okay? Zero violence so they cannot destroy the movement. Okay? And because it's the right thing to do and it's it's the moral position, right? So, what we're saying is I also have operation consequences.com. It goes to the same thing. So, what are the consequences? Not violent, not hatred, not anything. Just if you vote with Israel to give them another dollar, we're going to vote against you. And you know what? You don't have to cross party lines. That's what primaries are for. >> Yeah. >> So if you're a Republican, you never have to vote for a Democrat. If you're a Democrat, you never have to vote for a Republican. Go into into the primaries and we're going to make two lists. One is, are you taking money from Israel? Okay. And that list already exists. You know, you have Apac Tracker, etc. We'll put up on the site so you can see, oh, these guys are taking money and these guys aren't. So when you see Tom Massie and he takes no money from APAC or any of the Israeli lobbies, you might agree or disagree with Tom Massie, but at least I know he's honest and he represents us and not a different government. Okay. And the second thing we're saying is did you give money to Israel or did you take money from Israel and did you give money to Israel? So if forget the past because they all gave money in the past. Okay, we're fair clean slate. But going forward, you vote one more time for another dollar to Israel and you're never going to get our vote ever. It's a solemn pledge. Okay? Now, you could sign the pledges on not another dollar.com or operationconsequence.com, but it doesn't matter. Create your own website. Create your own pledge. Create your own movement or join the movement. Say, "Hey, you know what? I don't want to go to those sites. I want to do it on my show." Great. I love it. Right? You I want to do it in a right-wing way. Great. I love it. Leftwing way. Great. I love it. Okay? But you've got to get the representatives some consequences. >> It sounds like democracy. >> Exactly. That's all it is. That's all it is. >> So just inject the views of the people who own the government into the conversation about what the government should do. >> Yeah. So if you for example radical if you do that poll um do does America owe Israel any more money? My guess is an overwhelming majority are going to say no. >> How would you get that poll? How would you get I mean do you think you could get CNN to take that poll? >> Well, if they say that no, we're not going to ask Americans that then it they obviously have an agenda. They claim to be objective, right? >> CNN claims to objective. >> They still pretend. >> I worked there for many years. Not objective, >> right? New York Times very much pretends to be objective. Uh all right, then ask the question. Do do does America owe Israel any more money? Okay. Now, if you say maybe we're wrong, Tucker, right? Maybe the Americans come in and go, 80% of Americans say, "Yes, we owe Israel more money." Then we'll stand corrected and we'll go, "Oh, our bad. The Americans can't wait to give more money to Israel, no matter what the circumstances are." But wait, if it turns out 68%, 82%, some significant majority of Americans say, "No, we don't owe them any more money." Now, does the voice of the American people matter or does it not matter? And you know what the answer is and that's why they won't do the poll. And that's why we'll do it for them. That's okay. Right? Look, right now 92% of Democrats say that what Israel did in Gaza was wrong. And that was before the election. And both Joe Biden and Kla Harris said, "I don't care about my voters. I don't care about 92% of my voters." They couldn't have been any clearer. I'm going to serve Israel instead. Now, number one donor lifetime to Joe Biden is Apac. >> Apac gave true yes over $1 million throughout his career. Uh the Israeli lobby totally financed now >> 11 million to just to Joe Biden. >> Just to Joe Biden. Okay. And that again >> I would have thought it was City Bank or the credit card companies. >> So he he was known as the senator from MBNA which is a credit card company in Delaware. >> Uh so he was literally known for corruption. Now, did you hear that in mainstream media from objective stand? >> He gave his son a house, right? I mean, it was pretty open. Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, he Joe Biden's trademark thing in Washington was do whatever the donors tell you. That's why the one promise he kept was to the donors. Remember, he said to them, nothing will fundamentally change. Because if you're at the top, you don't want anything to change, >> right? >> Cuz then you might slip from the top. You if you're at the top, you love the status quo. So you want a politician coming and telling you nothing will fundamentally >> So here's one question that I have that I I don't have the answer to. So I understand that that's all consistent with the darker parts of human nature. I'm winning. I don't want anything to change. I get it. I don't even judge it. But the rest of the country is withering and dying and that's measurable. Um in life expectancy for example every you know there's no way to argue that this is helping normal people and they're not staying the same. They're going down by every measure. their down to their personal health. Why are the people who run the country or are ruling class like it's not enough that they profit? It does feel like they're trying to hurt the people they rule. That's the that's the I mean I I've reached that conclusion. What is that? >> So I'm most angry at our politicians and I'm going to give you an analogy about that in a second. Uh so like so Israel pharma they're going to logically try to rob us. >> Of course I get it right. the king takes most for himself, but he also like wants to make his people like not die earlier, but they do want us to die earlier. What is that? But it's um yeah, so it's largely our representatives. So I talked about Biden Kla took 5 million from Apac. Talked about that. Uh let's talk about Trump. So Trump in the first uh election in 2016 takes 100 million from Sheldon Adlesen. Okay. So does Sheldon get something in return? Of course he does. Right? So he got a great number of things. A corruption charge and uh went largely went away with a small fine. Uh the estate tax was dropped right in the nick of time before he passed away. Saved them billions of dollars. You know where the adles make most of their money? >> Gambling >> in China. >> Yep. >> Okay. So in Macau. So they're mainly a Chinese company and uh and they had to bring their money back from China to Ameri

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