Tucker Carlson on the Israel First Meltdown and the Future of the America First Movement

Pretty much every morning you wake up and 

open your phone and think to yourself,   I wonder if this roing fight on the right is still 

ongoing. The fight over who's a Nazi and who's   Nazi adjacent and who should be platformed and who 

should be deplatformed? That fight, the one that   has mesmerized ex users across the world. What 

is that fight actually about and how long will   it continue? Well, the first thing to know about 

it is that it didn't start three weeks ago with   Nick Fuentes's appearance on a podcast. No, this 

has been a fight taking place mostly behind the   scenes since January. And that tells you a lot 

about what it's actually about. So, here's how   it began. Donald Trump inaugurated January 22nd of 

this year. Almost immediately after he is visited   at the White House by the first head of state to 

come to Washington, the prime minister of Israel,   Benjamin Netanyahu. And the visit is not simply a 

congratulatory visit. They're not actually allies   in any sense. Remember that Benjamin Netanyahu was 

one of the very first to congratulate Joe Biden   after the 2020 election. So there's probably not a 

lot of warmth there. Just guessing. No, there was   a purpose to the visit and the subsequent visits 

by the prime minister of Israel to Washington.   And that was to get American support for regime 

change war in Iran to overthrow and replace the   government of Iran, which the nation of Israel 

sees as its primary regional threat. Iran has   all kinds of very dangerous conventional weapons. 

The United States spends a lot protecting Israel   from those missiles. And Israel is also concerned 

that at some point Iran will either make or buy a   nuclear weapon, leaving Israel no longer the only 

nuclear armed nation in the region. So that's what   it's actually about. And to be honest, you can 

see from Israel's point of view, if you're trying   to identify long-term serious threats to you, 

Iran would be at or near the top of the list,   especially since Israel has taken out almost 

all the other threats. But really, it's just   Iran. The question is, is it in America's interest 

to participate in that war? And make no mistake,   Israel wouldn't last 3 days in a war by itself 

against Iran. In fact, probably not even 24 hours.   Israel's population centers would be taken out by 

Iran's conventional weapons. And at that point,   the Israeli government could either nuke Iran, 

starting a chain reaction that, you know,   you can't really predict once it begins, uh, or 

allow hundreds of thousands of its own citizens,   certainly tens of thousands, to be 

killed. So, Israel could not do it alone,   and no honest person suggests or would suggest 

that it could. It needs the United States. So   the question from the American perspective is, 

is it good for America to get involved in yet   another Israel inspired regime change war in 

the Middle East? There have been quite a few,   most notably Iraq. Is that a good idea? And so 

that debate began and it mostly began behind the   scenes. It didn't sort of peek out into public 

view very often. But when it did, the people who   wanted the regime change war against Iran almost 

with almost zero exceptions almost never admitted   what they actually wanted and they certainly never 

acknowledge what the debate was actually about.   It was about one nation's interest versus another 

nation's interest. Do those interests convene? Are   they the same thing or are they at odds with each 

other? I can see why it be a good idea for Israel   to want this. Is it a good idea for us? That's 

the debate that never took place. And it didn't   take place because almost from the beginning, the 

people who wanted regime change war with Iran made   the debate instead about why do you hate the Jews? 

You're a Nazi. And of course, that was never what   the debate was about because Israel, the nation of 

Israel, the one with the parliament, the Knesset,   and the military, the IDF, and lots of people 

and tech firms. And he's not, by the way,   exclusively Jewish. And it isn't actually the 

same as all Jews in the world at all. And in fact,   there are a lot of Jews around the world who 

have mixed feelings about Israel or certainly   don't want a regime change war in Iran. But the 

people who do want that in the United States,   Israel's proxies in the United States, its 

defenders, its professional defenders in the US,   immediately made the debate about the Jews. It 

wasn't the anti-semmites who did that. Actually,   it was the defenders of Israel in the United 

States, not all of whom are Jewish, to be clear.   They're the ones who made the debate from the 

first day. Why do you hate the Jews? And so, for   those who were hesitant to get into another regime 

change war, it's intimidating because you're happy   to have a debate any time of day about what's in 

the interest of the United States, when should   we project military force, what can we learn from 

the last 25 years, etc., etc., and you'd probably   win that debate because there's no evidence 

that any regime change war we've engaged in in   the past couple of generations has helped us. Zero 

evidence and everyone kind of knows that including   the president of the United States. But if you 

make it a debate about why do you hate the Jews,   then most people are going to opt out because 

they don't want to deal with it. Most of them   don't hate the Jews. You hope no evidence that 

they do, but nobody wants to be tred as a bigot.   And so very few people pushed back. Very few. In 

fact, as far as I know, only two people, me and   Charlie Kirk, actually went and spoke directly 

to the president to make the case that no,   you shouldn't get involved in this war because its 

aim is not actually to deny Iran a nuclear weapon.   That may be a virtuous goal, but that's not really 

what this is about. What this is about is luring   the United States into yet another regime change 

war. And if you do that, it's bad for everybody,   including you. That's the case that we made. 

Charlie went to the White House to make that case,   and God bless him for doing that. And he was hated 

for hated for doing that. Hated for doing that.   But he did it. Very few other people did. In fact, 

as far as I know, none. So, of course, in June,   the debate ended and the United States did commit 

military force to Iran. It bombed Iran and spent   billions to protect Israel once again from the 

inevitable, the predictable conventional response   from Iran, etc., etc. And in the end, thank God, 

we did not get lured into a regime change war.   But the bitterness lingered and the total 

unwillingness of the people pushing for   that war to state their aims to be honest about 

what they wanted and to defend what they wanted   remained. They understood from the very first day 

that they could not win that debate. They didn't   want that debate. They wanted another debate where 

they felt they could win or at least cow their   opponents into total silence. And that debate was 

about quote the Jews anti-semitism. And again,   this is a country that hasn't had a lot of 

anti-semitism. Decent people are not anti-semitic.   Christians understand that anti-semitic behavior 

or thoughts, attitudes are uncchristian because   Christians are universalist in their thinking. 

Every person has the capacity to come to God   through Jesus. Every person, no matter how they 

were born. And so, of course, no sincere Christian   could be an anti-semite. And no sincere Christian 

would ever defend anti-semitism. In fact, he would   call it out as he would racism or any form of 

discrimination on the basis of blood. He would   call it out immediately. So this was never about 

anti-semitism despite the fact there of course are   anti-semites and all kinds of other people in this 

country. There are 350 million of them. But this   debate was not about the Jews or anti-semitism. 

It was about when to use military force and to   what extent should you follow the lead of a much 

smaller nation as you think about your own nation.   And for a lot of people, this was enormously 

frustrating since Donald Trump was elected for   the second time last November on a platform 

that explicitly promised, and this is why he   was elected, to help the United States, which is 

in tough shape and getting worse. And everybody   knows that. And all of a sudden, this foreign 

prime minister shows up and starts hijacking   the attention and the money of our country to 

his ends. And that could be any prime minister,   by the way. It happens to have been Benjamin 

Netanyahu. But conceptually that's outrageous and   people were justly upset about it. Absolutely they 

were upset about it. So where will this go? Well,   of course the people who think the US government 

should act always and everywhere on behalf of its   own citizens, the America first people, those 

people are going to win the debate. In fact,   there's never actually been a real debate. But 

when people's mind fog clears and they can think   about what just happened, they'll understand that 

this was never about the Jews or anti-semitism,   much less Hitler who's been dead for 80 years 

as of April. No, it was about should the United   States act in its own interest or should it 

subvert its own interests on behalf of a foreign   power with a very effective lobby in Washington. 

That's exactly what the debate is and the answer   is of course no. So the America first people 

are the people who just think the government   should serve its own citizens, which let me 

remind you is the only legitimate rationale for   representative government. In other words, if the 

government is not representing its own citizens,   if it doesn't care about its own citizens, it's 

not only off track, it's illegitimate. It has no   basis to govern because it's a representative 

democracy. So you are morally bound, you're   legally bound to represent your own people. 

That's the only purpose of having a government   in our country is to represent our people. And if 

you're not doing that, you're not legitimate. So,   they will win. And in a year or two, we're going 

to look back on what we've been watching for the   last month or last eight months and we're 

going to realize this is exactly like BLM or   me too. You know, at the core there may have 

been a point, but basically it's buffoonery.   it it is an effort to divert your attention from 

the real crisis. And we're going to wonder, wait a   second, since since when did the institutional 

right conservatives, people who run the think   tanks and the dumb magazines nobody reads and 

the people with bloated on Fox News. Since when   did those people become completely committed 

to identity politics and censorship? Because   they are committed to identity politics. That's 

what this is. It's identity politics. Of course,   it's group over nation. Of course, it's another 

country above our country, a tiny country,   an irrelevant country over our country. And 

people are going to look at that and say, "Wait   a second. We thought, in fact, we voted for you 

because we thought that the two things we could   be assured you believed were you were against 

identity politics. You lectured us about woke   for like 10 years. You're against woke because 

you're against identity politics. You're against   tribalism. And here you are not only embracing 

it, but using it as a cudel to hit people in   the face. And maybe even more shocking, we knew 

for a fact you were against censorship. I mean,   isn't that the whole point of the Trump election? 

We're against censorship. You can't censor people   in a free society. You can't have censorship in 

a democracy. How will you have the information   required to vote? Censorship is totally 

incompatible with democratic government. Period.   And it's also, by the way, illegal under the First 

Amendment to the Bill of Rights. And Republicans   just won an election on that platform. And all of 

a sudden, we learn there's really nobody in the   world more excited about censorship than a Neocon 

podcaster or a National Review staffer. They just   love it. People aren't going to forget that. 

And in a year or two or five years or whatever,   we're going to look back as we do on COVID 

and the BLM riots and the Me Too movement and   we're going to ask ourselves, how do we fall for 

another moral panic? Another social mediadriven   moral panic. How did everyone go insane all at 

once denouncing each other and denouncing old   friends and clowning themselves because they're 

caught up in this moment and they can't see that   they're betraying the very principles they claimed 

like six months ago they would give their lives   for. And those people are going to feel shame 

and many of us will feel contempt for them more   than we already do. So that's going to happen. 

They can't win this debate. It's not actually a   debate. It's them name calling. So that's going 

to happen. Rest assured. But in the meantime,   the rest of us have to listen to an awful lot 

of a man who a year ago was unknown to most   Americans. Kind of a third tier podcaster, TV 

host or radio host or whatever. for a guy who   was a weekend show on a cable channel, a guy 

called Mark Leavin. And for the last month,   we've been watching Mark Levin say things that no 

one in my lifetime has ever said from the right   like this. Watch. I don't know whether it's 

Jew hatred from the Marxists, the Islamists,   the neo-Nazis, the grifters. I don't know 

where they're pulling us and pushing us. What do they want to do with American Jews? What do they want to do? Where 

are they taking this country? They're destroying it. Carlson, Owens, Kelly, Bannon. It is a time for 

choosing. You pick the good guys or the bad guys.   You pit America or you pit the third 

right. They're not MAGA. They're not   conservative. In fact, they're more 

Marxist, Islamist, Americahating,   Jewhating thugs than anything else. 

And let me educate them briefly. The Babylonians couldn't kill the Jews. The Persians couldn't kill the Jews. The Romans couldn't kill the Jews. Hitler couldn't kill the Jews. And by this I mean 

eliminate them. You think your puny little asses are going to be able to do it? Kill the Jews. Your 

first thought is, "Wait a second. How do we get   to that?" No, just don't want a regime change war 

against By the way, a war in which Jews would die   presumably both in the US military and the IDF. 

Like, no, don't want to kill anybody. Actually,   that's kind of the point. You want to kill the 

Jews? So, the first thing you notice is like   the total inversion of what the argument actually 

is. It's an argument about to what extent should   US military power be used on behalf of another 

country, not the United States. That's it. That's   the debate. and all of a sudden it becomes the 

Babylonians, the Nazis, trying to kill the Jews.   So again, it's an inversion. He's accusing his 

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8.com/tucker. The second thing you notice is how   totally personal this is. You're members of the 

Third Reich. You're Nazis. You're evil. You're an   Islamist. You hate Jews. cuz you're an anti-semit. 

You hate America. Okay. None of I mean that's ad   homonym. There's no even attempt to address 

the argument that anyone Mark Levin doesn't   agree with is his making. Instead, it's just just 

attacking them as people. And the third thing you   notice is what animates this, which is hate. Mark 

Levin is filled with hate, obviously. And hate is   one of those words that is thrown around a lot 

as a weapon. You're filled with hate. That's   hate. It's hate speech. Therefore, you can't say 

it. etc. But that doesn't mean just because the   word itself is used cynically that the term 

doesn't describe anything or that hate isn't   real. Hate is absolutely real. Hate is absolutely 

real. And if you listen to enough Mark Leavin,   you yourself can become hateful. Reacting against 

it can turn you into what he claims you are. And   that's just a fact of human nature. You stick 

your face right up against this, after a while,   you will become hateful. All of us, even people 

are committed to not being away. It happened to   me last week. Last week, a week ago tonight. I'm 

sitting on stage with Megan Kelly at an event she   was doing in New York. And I think Dick Cheney 

had died that day. And I knew Dick Dick Cheney   obviously. And he had died. And I disagree with 

Dick Cheney, but I'm not going to criticize a   man on the day he dies. Just not going to do that 

because I have reverence for death. But I had a   lot of emotion on the topic. And so I said a few 

nice words about Dick Cheney. He was a great fly   caster or whatever. And then I started thinking 

about his daughter, Liz Cheney, whom I also know.   and have disliked for intensely for quite some 

time because she slandered me and because I   think she is a violence espouser and I I disagree 

with that and I have contempt for it but rather   than say that I just attacked in a vicious way Liz 

Cheney and I said something awful about Liz Cheney   actually didn't explain why I was mad at Liz 

Cheney I just slandered Liz Cheney basically and   I said that her father would be ashamed of her and 

if I had a daughter like that I'd probably kill   which is an awful thing to say. It's kind of 

hard to believe I said that. But in my mind,   I was thinking of all the people I dislike, Liz 

Cheney would probably be at the top of the list.   And so therefore, because I dislike her personally 

because I know her personally. And because I so   disagree with everything about her political 

views, I'm the opposite of Liz Cheney. If you   were to graph it out, be I'd be on one side, Liz, 

the other. Because we disagree so profoundly. I   told myself, clearly I must have told myself that 

you could say anything you want about Liz Cheney.   She's not really human. You can say anything you 

want, including something really awful and nasty   like, "If I was her dad, I would kill myself." 

Who thinks like that? Who talks like that? Well,   I did. And so, I just want to say I'm sorry to 

Liz Cheney. And I mean that, too. I mean that.   I shouldn't have said that. I'm sorry I said 

that. I'll I will not stop disagreeing with Liz   Cheney until she changes her views. I hope that 

she does. But there is never an excuse to talk   about people like that. And that kind of is the 

trap here. Mark Leavvin is almost 70 years old,   you know? I mean, no one's going to eat the 

dog food here, okay? That that is not a message   anyone's going to buy. So, the fear is not that 

Mark Levvin will take over American politics.   That's not going to happen. The fear is that 

we become Mark Levin by staring at Mark Levin   too much. We become him. Another way of putting 

it is the fight is not against Mark Levvin and   the many Mark Leven out there, the screamers, 

the slanderers, the impuntors of character,   the liars. The real fight is within ourselves. 

The real fight is against our own nature,   our own natural inclination to in the face of Mark 

Levin become Mark Leven. And the cost is to us.   You You hurt yourself. Don't become evil because 

what's the point? What is the point? And the only   way to present prevent yourself from becoming that 

person is by admitting that you've acted like that   person and apologizing for it sincerely, not in a 

fake way. Oh, I'm sorry if you didn't like it. No,   I'm sorry because that's wrong and it's exactly 

what I don't like about someone else and I   don't like it about myself when I do it and I'm 

going to try not to do it again. And of course,   I will do it probably by the end of the show. 

I'll do it again because I'm prone to that   because I get mad. But we need to say every 

single time we do that, no, I'm sorry I did   that and I'll try my best not to do it again. So 

really, just to keep in mind as things heat up,   don't become the people you despise, or 

else what's the point? We wind up I mean,   the Second World War is that story. We're fighting 

for freedom, but we're arming Joseph Stalin to   do it. Really? We sent more money and airplanes 

and tanks and jeeps and boots and food to Joseph   Stalin, the greatest mass murderer in history, in 

order to bring what? Freedom to the world. It's   not a defense of Hitler, of course. But that's 

shameful. The Roosevelt administration did that   with a full support of his party. It's like, 

don't become the thing that you hate. That's it.   And if you don't do that, if you allow yourself to 

get carried away so mad that you start mimicking   the hate that's coming at you, what happens? Well, 

of of course it flowers into violence. Like that's   inevitable of we're very close to that now. In 

fact, we're there in some ways. It's happened.   We just we're still talking about a political 

assassination, a friend's political assassination   on September 10th. Charlie Kirk was murdered 

because of this. So it can happen and it will   happen unless all of us prevent ourselves from 

becoming that. And by the way, you can't control   other people. All you can do is control your own 

behavior. So if you act like that, apologize for   it. I'm going to really try and do that. But we 

are absolutely moving toward violence. And it   should be really clear. That's the other thing is 

you don't want to espouse violence because where   does it go? It always begets more violence 100% 

of the time. September 11th led to millions of   deaths in the Middle East. Yeah. October 7th led 

to Gaza. Like this all once the violence begins,   you can't predict its course, but you can be 

fairly certain it will accelerate. And when   that happens, all calculations change and people 

change and the feud becomes irresolvable and more   people die. And that could happen in our country. 

So the only way to stop it is by controlling your   own behavior so you yourself don't become evil. 

So Mark Leavvin is already there and we know that   because Mark Leavvin has repeatedly and he's 

not the only one but he's the most blunt has   repeatedly called for just murdering civilians 

children in Gaza because they're Amalcch or   whatever they're stained by blood guilt. Prime 

Minister of Israel said exactly the same thing.   They are guilty by virtue of how they were born. 

So that by definition includes women and children.   So Mark Leavvin is not clever enough to keep the 

implications of these views to himself. And he   said them repeatedly on television just to give 

you a sense about how Mark Levvin feels about   human life and the human soul. Watch this. And I'm 

supposed to what? Shed crocodile tears for what's   going to happen to these people? I'm not. Maybe 

I'm the only one who will voice it, but I'm not. Israel has every right to throw every damn thing 

it has at barbarians and if there are innocent   people quote unquote civilians who are killed, 

then maybe they ought to organize to take out   the government they elected. Tapper and the others 

are saying there's 2 million Palestinians in Gaza.   They're not all terrorists. They don't all believe 

in Hamas. They really have no choice. Let me ask   you a question. Is that how we treated the German 

people when we were fighting the Third Reich?   Well, they're not all Nazis. I mean, you got to 

fight to win and survive. You can't sit there and   figure all that stuff out. Well, but don't hurt 

the civilians. Look, we have to defend ourselves.   The Israelis have to defend ourselves. The 

free world has to defend itself. And if there's   collateral damage, well, that's too bad. 25 years 

ago in this country, people didn't talk that way.   They didn't. It was a different It was a different 

landscape, different expectations. The idea of   blood guilt, because that's what he's describing 

there. You should be killed by virtue of who   your parents are, who your grandparents were, by 

virtue of how you were born. You should be killed.   You don't have a right to live. You're guilty 

because you were born. And which of course leads   to collective punishment and genocide. That's the 

basis of genocide right there. That attitude that   was considered totally uncchristian and unamerican 

because it is. And if s someone said something   like that on television, I mean, he'd be probably 

pulled off the air for that. you should kill kids   because you don't like their parents. That is 

their attitude. That's the Israeli government's   attitude. Well doumented attitude. We're paying 

for that. And you could say, well, you know, you   don't have to hate Israel. But that behavior is 

not better than Hamas at all. In fact, it's kind   of the same, right? Killed civilians. They came 

in and killed people at a music festival. BB turns   out let them in. Um, we found out today in the 

Knesset, but whatever you think of what happened   on October 7th, you know, Israeli civilians were 

killed. That's terrible. We're against that. We   have to be against that. And we're no better than 

the people we're fighting. Of course, what is the   difference between us and them? We're in different 

groups. That's not a meaningful difference. The   difference is we're committed to a set of Western 

principles. And those principles begin with we   reject blood guilt. And because we do, we reject 

collective punishment and genocide. A lot of us   thought that was a consensus after World War II. 

That was the lesson of the Nazi regime. Should   have been the lesson of the Soviet regime, which 

of course practiced collective punishment and   committed genocide against Christians. Most people 

don't even know that it did more efficiently than   the Nazis did. But all of it is terrible. All 

of it is awful. And a lot of us thought that   was the main lesson that we were supposed to take 

away from the war. And by the way, that's a great   lesson. That's an excellent lesson. We should 

take that lesson from the Second World War.   And then you wake up and there's Mark Leven. 

Not just Mark Levin, but our policy makers,   our members of Congress, most of them are not 

Jewish, by the way. This like infected everybody.   That's okay. It's not okay. It'll never be okay. 

It's a shame. It's shameful behavior. It's a   stain on this country. You You can't fight people 

unless you think you're morally superior to them.   You shouldn't be. And how can you say you're 

morally superior if you're operating from the   same assumption, which is that everyone on the 

other side should be killed because of how they   were born? But that is absolutely Mark Levin's 

assumption. And he said it out loud. Look at   this Twitter exchange. Watch this. She's basically 

saying, "I don't understand like why we're getting   involved in all this stuff." And Mark Levvin is 

saying, "Well, you're a Nazi." And someone writes   in and says, "Mark, I'm not even, you know, I may 

be on your side or not, but what you're saying is   actually creating anti-semitism." And he's saying, 

and I'm quoting, "At anti-semitism is quote,   in your family's DNA." Who thinks that? Who would 

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virtue are not in your DNA. We don't believe in   a chosen people and we don't believe in a damned 

people. Period. We don't believe that in the West.   We don't believe that some people's are inherently 

better or worse than other people's. We believe   in individuals in the capacity of every person 

to make individual choices and change for the   better or the worse. And on that basis they are 

judged but not on how they were born. And if we   don't believe that, if we think that some people 

are just like inherently bad because their DNA as   Mark has said and a lot of other people like Mark 

have said, then what's the point of all, you know,   what's the point of all of this? At that point, 

it's just like, well, my group has more guns than   your group and we're in charge. That attitude gets 

people killed and it rots your soul. That's why we   say anti-semitism is bad in the first place, isn't 

it? You can't judge a whole group of people by how   they were born, by their genetics, by their DNA. 

But there's Mark Levin doing it. So, it shouldn't   surprise you that of course if you have those 

attitudes and you think there are Americans,   and he clearly does, whose DNA makes them less 

than human, unsalvageable, inherently evil. Well,   it shouldn't surprise you that he'd be calling for 

violence against them. And he is. And this isn't   like your kind of classic like, "Oh, everyone's 

out to kill me. I'm so important. I despise that."   But it's a fact. And we know that from what he 

says. So, here's Mark Levin about two weeks,   in fact, I think exactly two weeks 

after Charlie Kirk was assassinated,   and he was trying to explain how this happened. 

How did Charlie get killed? Here's what he said.   The call to violence. That's what it is. You're 

calling people Hitler. It's a mass murder. You're treating ICE like 

it's the Gestapo or the SS. Then you're free to shoot them. There you 

go. You call people Hitler, they get killed,   right? You you torque up the rhetoric to we've all 

decided Hitler is the worst. Okay, great. Hitler's   bad for sure. So once you call people that, you 

liken them to the person we collectively agree   is the worst person ever, person we collectively 

agree if you had a chance to kill baby Hitler,   you would. Then why wouldn't you kill the people 

who were Hitler in your own society? You probably   would and you'd feel justified in doing it. 

And that was the point he was making. Yeah,   fair point. You know, you hope it's not used 

to censor people. You're allowed to have ugly   thoughts, by the way. They're constitutionally 

protected, but you should be discouraged from   it for sure. And as Mark Leven just said, they 

lead to violence. calling people Hitler leads to   violence. Wow. Well, since that's his description 

in his terms, consider this clip about a month   later. I would ask some of these people who say, 

"Look, I I'm going to stand by Tucker." You know,   he's just inquisitive. He likes to have these 

people on and ask them questions. Really? But I'm not going to platform them. No. So Tucker 

is a racist. Is that okay? First of all, how many   of you have friends who are racists? Isn't that 

a fair question, Mr. Producer? How many of you   have friends who are racists and are proud of it 

and talk about it on a national platform? This   is what I get now. Will you debate him? Will you 

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to address this because you never want to make   anything about yourself. It's another way in which 

you can very easily become Mark Leven and start   talking about yourself all the time. Your family, 

your people. No, if you're interested in improving   the country, you should be talking about all 

people in the country. It's not just about you or   your people, whoever they are. It should be about 

everybody. That's the universalist spirit without   which this country can't continue, just to be 

clear. It'll break apart, of course, into waring   groups. But the basis of racism and anti-semitism 

and all forms of bias that we abhore, forms of   bias that treat people as members of groups rather 

than individuals, all emanate from the same idea,   which is you're born a certain way and you can't 

be fixed. You have blood guilt. And that's why   it's bad to call people Nazis. And here is Mark 

Levin calling people Nazis. Well, in this case,   me. So what is that? Well, that's of course 

a call to violence. And it's not just me. We   compiled a list of all of some of the people on 

Twitter Mark Levin has referred to this is these   are all recent Nazi Nazi Nazi bastard. F off Nazi 

Nazi Nazi Nazi. Finally, somebody somebody writes   in on Twitter and says, and we're quoting, "This 

is Mark Leven's 12th post today that's related   to Israel or its critics. I know he's Jewish 

and sympathy for Israel is understandable,   but this now borders on obsession." To which 

Mark Levin responds, "Nazi, Nazi, you should   pause before you call people names like that." 

And I I should just say because righteousness   is a goal. Self-righteousness is a sin. I don't 

want to be self-righteous. I've certainly called   people things they didn't deserve. I've leveled 

ad hominemum attacks on people. I did against   Liz Cheney. I apologize for it. I meant it. But we 

shouldn't let ourselves go in this area. We should   force ourselves to treat other people like human 

beings with sincere disagreements or insincere   disagreements, but still agreements that we can 

debate because once you start calling people   Nazis, we really have no choice but to start 

shooting them to be Dietrich Bonhaofer and sort   of reach the end of reason or even Christianity. 

Bonhaofer decided Christianity is not even He's a   Lutheran pastor. Christianity is not enough. We 

have to kill the guy. Not judging Bonhaofer who   was a great man in some ways but that's inevitable 

once we decide that people are Nazis. So you kind   of have to wonder why they're doing this. And of 

course it's because when you call someone a Nazi   and maybe in Mark Leven's case he believes it. 

You immediately freeze them in the headlights of   your slur. Nazi Nazi. You deter people from 

arguing with you because no one wants to be   called a Nazi, but you also for the bystanders 

who aren't even directly part of the debate,   you draw their attention away from what the 

debate is actually about. In other words,   for every moment that we're arguing about who is 

and who is not a Nazi, answer really nobody. The   Nazis have been gone for 80 years. Sorry. But for 

every moment where they're having that debate,   we're not debating the things we ought to be 

debating. In this case, should we use military   force on behalf of a small country, a totally 

irrelevant country? That's a fair debate. We're   not having that debate. We're screaming about 

who is not is a Nazi, who's not a Nazi. So,   I guess the thing that we can learn from Mark 

Leavvin in this case is if you have a position,   argue that position. Levin doesn't want to argue 

his position. It's very hard to defend, so he   won't defend it. He'll just attack. But the rest 

of us who have a sincere position about America's   relationship with Israel and the damage it has 

done to the Trump coalition, which it's like we're   watching it be destroyed un very unfortunately. 

Those people should argue what they believe and   not get caught in this trap of identity politics. 

Who's a Nazi was a right to speak? Buzz off. No.   Apac is a foreign lobby. It should register as 

one. Our country should come first in the thinking   of every person who represents our country. Those 

are the debates that we ought to be having. So the   next lesson we should learn from this country is 

that you can't allow other people to define your   priorities. You are an adult. You are an American. 

You have the right to decide what matters to you.   If you're having trouble paying your health 

insurance or if you think divorce laws are unfair   in this country or if you think chemtrails are a 

problem, if you don't like fluoride in the water,   if you think there should be a cap on credit card 

interest, whatever the issue that matters to you,   first and foremost, you have a right to feel that 

way. No one should be allowed to talk you into   adopting their enemies as your own. There are a 

ton of people in Washington who think the single   most dangerous person in the world, most evil 

person who's ever lived is Vladimir Putin. Some of   them really think that. A lot of them are getting 

rich by saying it. But a lot of them do believe   it because I know them. I know they feel that way. 

It's sincere. But as a percentage of the country,   what percentage of the country actually puts 

killing Putin at the top of its priority list?   Like less than 1%. It's just not a problem for 

most Americans who runs Russia. But it's a huge   problem in Washington. So Washington for a couple 

of years there succeeded in convincing the rest   of us to either adopt their priority. Putin is 

the most important thing. We have to stop Putin   or shut up about it because if you don't, you're 

an agent of Putin. Basically bullied the country   into accepting their list of priorities. And the 

election of Trump was really a reputation of that.   It was tens of millions of voters saying, "No, 

actually, we our problems need a hearing. Someone   needs to care about our problems. It's not just 

about you and your little parochial squabble."   They're telling us now that Iran is the biggest 

problem we've ever had. And if you question that,   like, how many Americans have been killed on 

American soil by Iran as compared to the number,   I don't know, killed by Mexico, which brings all 

our fentanyl in, not Venezuela, Mexico. you get   attacked as an agent of the mullers. And the way 

to think about this is who cares? Your priorities   are every bit as important as Mark Leavven's 

because you are a co-equal with Mark Leavvin   because you're also an American citizen. He gets 

one vote, you get one vote. That's our system.   So Mark Leavin could scream at you all he wants 

and tell you you must really care about affecting   regime change in Iran. It is absolutely okay. In 

fact, it's your duty to say to Mark Levin, I don't   really care. I can't afford my health insurance. 

Our leaders should solve that problem. And you'll   be joined in that by like 150 million other 

Americans who agree with you who can't find Iran   on a map. They're not pro Iran. They're not Shiite 

Muslims, but they have real problems and they want   a hearing for those problems. They want someone 

to else to care about those problems. That's okay.   And it's interesting because people like Levin and 

Ben Shapiro who at one point had this like media   empire propped up by Facebook. Uh the Daily 

Wire with some good people on it, you know,   it's fine. It's fine. But Ben Shapiro spent, 

I don't know, a decade posing as someone who   actually cared about your concerns as an American. 

He did it imperfectly. There were flashes that he   didn't really care. And he's like, "No, no, I'm 

a conservative. I'm a conservative. I'm not just   interested in the fortunes of one tiny country in 

the Middle East with a population 9 million. No,   I have a lot of interest. I really care about 

this country and I'm against the trans movement or   whatever. But increasingly, as everyone's gotten 

more hysterical and prone to sort of blurting out   the truth, that veil has dropped and you can see 

what Ben Shapiro really cares about. So this is an   a very revealing exchange that took place 6 days 

ago last Thursday on stage with Megan Kelly. Ben   Shapiro was just sitting there being interviewed 

by Megan Kelly and said something he said   something like well Tucker Carlson's you know for 

Maduro Maduro the communist leader of Venezuela   who I guess were on the way to killing or 

something forcing out regime changing him and he   defended Maduro didn't actually uh and Megan Kelly 

says well Tucker said in his show that Maduro most   people didn't know this. Whatever his many faults, 

I wouldn't hire him as an economist, okay? But   whatever his many faults has the most socially 

conservative country probably in the hemisphere.   So Venezuela, it's just a fact. I mean, I didn't 

make this up. I'm not in charge of Venezuela. Just   noticing that Venezuela has banned pornography, 

banned abortion, banned gay marriage, banned sex   changes, and banned usery. You don't have credit 

cards with 40% interest in Venezuela. Okay, Ben Shapiro responded this way. Tucker's 

made the point, I'm not going to here to   be Tucker's defender, but he's made 

the point that Maduro is culturally   conservative. Who gives a [ __ ] The guy's a 

communist dictator. Everyone in his country   is eating dog. He's shipping fentinel 

to the United States to kill Americans.   Why don't we give a [ __ ] whether 

he's whether he's anti-LGBTQ rights? Who gives a [ __ ] I do. I do. I'm not moving to 

Venezuela. Not pro Maduro. But I care about that.   Why wouldn't I care about that? I've got kids. 

I first of all, I'm against abortion. I sorry,   unpopular. I feel that way. I think it's really 

sad. I would personally become poorer to end   abortion. Voluntarily become poor to end abortion 

in the United States. That's not a choice. Don't   want to become poor, but I would because I 

care about it. Maybe you don't. Maybe you're   offended that I do, but I care about it. Lots of 

people care about it. I don't think pornography   is good. That really hurts people. You know, I 

I don't think pretending that the sexes are the   same is good. And you claimed that you didn't 

think it was good, but it turns out, quote,   "I don't give a [ __ ] Maduro's against Israel." 

Oh, okay. I don't give a [ __ ] Well, you spent   like a decade pretending you did give a [ __ ] 

that you were on the side of like normal Americans   who have a mix of concerns. They definitely care 

about economics and they care about social issues   too because they have children and they see where 

this is going. It's not good that your economic   condition is not the only measure of health. 

Your spiritual condition matters too. It's just   a fact. It does. If you're totally degraded, 

doesn't matter how much money you have. It's   not worth it. It's not worth getting the whole 

world and losing your soul. Sorry. And most   people feel that way. But not not Ben Shapiro. He 

doesn't give a [ __ ] So why the hostility? Well,   maybe because if you keep talking about the 

so-called social issues, which are not limited   to abortion and pornography and gay marriage, the 

trans issue, they get pretty quickly to economics,   to usery, to lending money and interest. And most 

people, including me, are not against lending   money in interest conceptually, but it depends 

on what interest rate it's being loaned at. So,   there are payday loans in this country that are 

600% annually, 600% interest annually. And who's   taking payday loans in this? Poor people are. 

And they're never getting out of it. They're   car loans. They're credit card loans. There's 

private credit. Used to call it loan sharking   at exorbitant rates. Rates so high that people 

will never get out from under them. They're   enslaved by it. It's called debt slavery. It's 

100% real. That's not an ideological point. It's   just an obvious observation. And it was one of 

the observations that Charlie Kirk was making   on a daily basis before he was assassinated, 

which is interesting. And it's that kids are   buying food on credit. Buy now pay later. That's 

credit. You're paying interest on that. Whether   they call it that or not, late fees. People are 

loaning you money at a much higher interest rate   than say rich people are borrowing money. And 

that's bad because it's really hard to get out   of it. And if you're wondering why the average 

American home buyer, American board home buyer is   almost 40 years old when the year I graduated from 

college it was 28. How did that happen? People are   in too much debt. This is the probably if it had 

to isolate it in a world with a lot of issues,   a lot of pressing issues, debt for young people 

is probably the number one issue, which is to say   it's the number one thing that is destroying them 

and making it impossible for them to get married   and have children, which Ben Shapiro told us he 

cared about. And that's the conversation that   they absolutely don't want to have. So if you 

say, "Well, Maduro, whatever his many faults,   probably stole the election. Looks that way to 

me. I don't know, but it looks that way. People   say he's bad. I'm okay. I believe you. He's bad. 

But he doesn't have that. And that's a good thing.   And Ben's like, I don't give a [ __ ] Shut up. 

He's a communist. It makes you wonder how we're   defining communist here. Because of course in the 

United States, communist no longer means someone   who believes Marx and Engles. It has nothing to do 

with academic theory. That's all gone. Communist   in the United States is a synonym for someone who 

seeks to rot a society from within and destroy it.   And I guess I would argue that if you don't give 

a [ __ ] about pornography or 63 million abortions   in the United States and since Roie Wade or 

whatever, and if you don't care about 600% annual   interest rates on payday loans being given to the 

poor, who's the communist exactly who's trying to   rot this country from the inside? Who doesn't 

care about the destruction of human beings in   our country? It's not me. You're a communist. 

So, I thought a lot about this. I didn't want,   you know, you never want to extrapolate too much 

from a single clip. You don't want to be cruel   to people. You don't want to be unfair. Having 

been unfair many times, it weighs on me. Don't   want to do that. So, kind of looked around. Is 

this consistent with Ben Shapiro's worldview?   Does he think GDP, the aggregate economic 

activity in a country, the bottom line number,   which really doesn't tell you that much? But for 

simple people like Ben who aren't sophisticated   in their understanding of economics, that's 

important. GDP, GDP, GDP. Never hinting at   the things that it doesn't measure. Never 

hinting at what a distorted number that is,   just like the inflation rate or the employment 

rate. I mean, these are not really real numbers.   But is he really a guy who cares about GDP or 

economic activity or some people getting rich   more than he cares about the lives of his fellow 

Americans? Boy, that's a pretty heavy charge.   You'd hate to level that against anyone. You'd 

hate to claim that about anyone. Could this be a   guy who really only cares about a foreign country? 

So, we went looking. So, first and famously,   don't even put on the screen because I'm sure 

you've seen this, there was Ben Shapiro saying,   you know, I'd be willing to vote for BB Netanyahu 

for president of the United States if only it were   constitutionally allowed. Huh? You want some 

foreigner to run our country? Who even thinks   like that? He said that. Maybe it was just he was 

getting carried away. He just loves BB so much.   loves the guy who is killing tens of thousands of 

children in Gaza so much that he wants him to run   our country. Okay. But then we found a couple of 

other clips which are recent that give a window   not just and hate to be mean to poor Ben Shapiro 

who's clearly going away as a media force. I   hate to be mean to him but this does reflect the 

worldview of an awful lot of people in Washington   and a lot of people in Ben Shapiro's world. And 

that worldview is the people of this country   don't really matter. They can be replaced. By the 

way, if you complain about the fact they're being   replaced, which they are at high speed, it's 

measurable. Then you're a Nazi and you must   shut up and be punished. But those people don't 

really matter. They should do what they're told   and ultimately they should just serve the people 

for profiting from all of this. Does he really   think that? Well, here are a couple of clips that 

you can watch carefully and answer the question   for yourself. Here's Ben Shapiro. We have trained 

an entire generation of people to believe that   if their lives are not what they want them to be, 

it's the fault of systems as opposed to decisions   that are in their own control. And politicians 

absolutely have a stake in selling that. A lot of   people in our industry have a stake in in selling 

that. It makes people feel good about themselves   and bad about the world. And the reality is if you 

want a better life, you should feel better about   the world and worse about yourself. If you are a 

young person and you can't afford to live here,   then maybe you should not live here. I mean, that 

is a real thing. Okay? I know that we we've now   grown up in a society that says that you deserve 

to live where you grew up, but the reality is   that the history of America is almost literally 

the opposite of that. It's hard to know where to   start with that clip. I think that's been on the 

internet and people are experiencing gut level   revulsion when they see it and they really should. 

And there's so many ways to approach that. There's   so many things wrong with those statements. 

So childish, those statements, so lacking an   understanding of people or any connection really 

to the country at all. But really, what you see   underneath all of that is contempt for the people 

who live here. You have no right to live in the   town where you were born just because your parents 

are buried there, your ancestors built the town.   Who do you think you are? Imagine feeling that way 

about someone in your own country. Imagine having   that level of contempt for a fellow American. 

You don't even know anything about the person.   Young people, they're not entitled to live where 

they want. They'll live where Black Rockck tells   them they can live. It's like, whoa. If you had 

a thought like that, I've had some ugly thoughts.   I just admitted having some ugly thoughts. Boy, I 

would try and push it back and not express it. Ben   says it without any embarrassment because he means 

it. That's exactly right. Because he means it.   I don't think that you can win a popular debate 

with that attitude because irrespective of the   content of your sentence, people can feel the 

loathing that the speaker has for them. Ben   Shapiro just does not care about you at all. Is 

not even pretending to care about you. So again,   it really doesn't matter what he's selling. that 

guy is not going to make the sale if people are   free to buy whatever they want. It's like I don't 

know what that guy's selling, but he doesn't like   me. I can feel it right away. He doesn't care 

at all about me at all. And he thinks so little   of me, he's not even going to like put on the 

dog. He's not even going to like try to pretend   to care about me. And a guy like that, he really 

needs censorship and bullying to succeed because   the free market does not reward a man like that 

at all ever because people don't like it. Why   would they like it? Here's another clip that 

makes basically the same point that is in some   ways even more disgusting, maybe less well-known. 

Here's Ben Shapiro telling you that if you ever   want to retire, stop working to pay off your 50 

freaking year mortgage. You own the house really   for 50 years. Okay. No, no, I'm renting it. I'll 

be 90 by the time I pay it off. Which of course   I won't cuz I got all kinds of other loans, too. 

So, if you complain about that, if you had these   dreams of like working really hard and retiring, 

how dare you? How dare you? Here's Ben Shapiro. No   one in the United States should be retiring at 65 

years old. Frankly, I think retirement itself is   a stupid idea unless you have some sort of health 

problem. It's totally insane that you believe that   you should be able to work from the time that you 

are essentially 20 to the time that you are 65,   which is a 45 year period, pay in and then you 

will receive social security benefits sufficient   to support you and your family, you and your 

wife or whatever, for like another 20 years.   That's crazy talk. Yeah, it's crazy talk. Like, 

how dare you? How dare you? Now, the conventional   response to this, I've heard people say it is, 

well, Ben Shapiro can say that because he's a   podcaster. He's not climbing ladders for a living. 

And if you climb ladders for a living, you know,   or do any kind of physical labor, even light 

physical labor, your body breaks down. It's just   a fact. And if you around people who have done 

it, you know, by the time they get to 50, they're   limping and they're in pain. That's why they're, 

you know, you go to these little towns around the   country and most businesses are gone. There are 

no furniture stores or no toy stores. like they're   all gone. They're all at Walmart. They're a 

husk. But what you do find next to the, you know,   the the drug rehab places are chiropractors or 

a lot of chiropractors throughout the country.   It's because poorer people, working-class people, 

blueco collar people are aching. They have trouble   walking. Their backs hurt. So retirement for a man 

who climbs ladders is a little bit different from   a man who hosts a podcast. But that's not even the 

point that I would make. That's true. Of course,   it's pure contempt for people who work with 

their bodies and he should be judged for that.   But I think it's deeper than that. It's like, how 

dare you tell me when I should retire? Who are you   exactly? What who gave you the moral authority to 

judge when I retire? That's insane. You're like a   child who's got some deal with Facebook to I mean, 

or whatever. Whoever you are, you are not God.   You have no right to talk to me like that, but 

you do because you have no respect for me. You   have no love for me at all. And it does kind of 

point to the core problem. Not with Ben Shapiro,   who will not be a factor in America in 5 years. I 

can promise you that. Or Mark Levin. Let's hope he   gets better. No, it points to the problem with 

their leaders. They don't like the people they   lead. That's it right there. They have no love 

for the people they lead. And all leadership is   based on the patriarchal model. The father is a 

good father because he loves his children. He may   make mistakes, but ultimately he comes back 

to true north because he loves them. That's   what keeps him honest. His sincere love for his 

children. That is the model for all leadership.   That's the model for leadership in the military, 

in a company. That's the model for rhetorical   leadership. You want people to follow you. You 

want to sell your ideas to them. want to convince   them of what you're saying is true. Show some love 

for them. Demonstrate that you love that you care   about them. Why are we doing this? Because we 

think it's better for you. Shapiro and all of   these guys. They don't make an effort to do that 

because they don't feel that way at all. Shut up,   cattle. You're a Nazi. Give us the money for 

our preferred little country or else we're   going to denounce you, man. Those attitudes 

are incompatible with leadership and in fact   with democracy itself. You can't have a country of 

350 million people governed by boutique goals and   concerns. I really care so much about this thing 

and you better care about it too or else I'm going   to attack you and deplatform you. It doesn't work. 

It's illegitimate actually. And if you keep it up,   you're flirting with, you know, real backlash, 

like a real one. Not Nick Fuentes, like a real   one. So cool it. Listen to other people. Don't 

treat them like cattle. Treat them like human   beings. And finally, the last lesson to learn 

from all of this is that there is no Amalcch.   Amalecch. Deuteronomy. It describes a tribe 

that is beyond redemption and must be killed.   Period. Because they have blood guilt. Their 

DNA, as Mark Levin explained on Twitter,   makes them evil. And they must be destroyed. Every 

one of them. Not just the fighting age men, but   their wives and their kids and their parents. All 

must be killed because we're not just killing a   foreign army. We're killing a strain of genetics. 

Because that's where the sin comes from, their   genetics. We do not acknowledge that. We cannot 

allow that attitude. That will wind up like Rwanda   right away, like quickly in our lifetimes. We will 

see mass killing if we don't get that attitude   under control. It's the attitude that animated the 

Nazis. It's the attitude that really is behind all   mass slaughter in history. And we can't have it 

in the West. Period. So once you accept that, then   you also have to acknowledge that there are no 

permanent enemies. That we disagree with people.   We may violently disagree, passionately disagree. 

I hate what you're saying, but we all, and this is   a Christian imperative as well, but also it's like 

a prerequisite for continuing to exist. You have   to acknowledge and say out loud that if people 

change or if you change, cuz we all do change   and when we're under pressure, we change much 

more quickly. All of us are changing right now.   It's imperceptible to usually, but keep a daily 

diary and look at it 5 years from now. You're   a different person. you change and so do all the 

people around you. And because that is true, some   people will change for the worse, some people will 

change for the better. We cannot have permanent   enemies. Period. It's immoral to imagine that 

someone must always be your enemy, that he's an   Amalachite or whatever. That is immoral. And it's 

also, by the way, cutting yourself off from one   of life's greatest joys, which is finding common 

humanity with another person and deciding, wait   a second, you know, I really dislike this person. 

But all of a sudden, I'm seeing this person as a   person whose concerns are not exactly the same 

as mine, but close enough. And actually, this   person is saying something really interesting, and 

I'm learning, and I'm changing, and I'm becoming   much more aware of who this person is, and I 

and I really like it. In other words, there's   no greater joy than the joy of reconciliation. 

And that's the story of the prodigal son. Yeah,   he did all kinds of indefensible stuff. Yeah, 

he wasted dad's money. Yeah, he acts like a   total [ __ ] Okay, but he's back and we're 

going to celebrate it. That's the greatest,   most profound joy that there is. Being reunited to 

another person, discovering that actually I really   like you. I thought I didn't, but now I do because 

there are no permanent enemies. We have to have   that attitude. And it's with that in mind that I 

announce with sincere pleasure that I really like   and respect Ana Kasperian. And not because both 

of us have total contempt for the lunatic running   Israel right now, BB Netanyahu, but because 

I sincerely think that Ana Casperian, well,   she disagrees with me, I'm sure, on a million 

issues, is motivated by a desire to figure out   what is best for the country that we live in. 

It's not about Israel at all. Sorry, Mark Levan.   It's about us. And I think Anna Casperian really 

cares about the United States. And so with that   in mind, I'm just very happy to introduce her now. 

Anna, thanks so much for coming on. Thank you for   having me, Tucker. I appreciate it. I'm worried 

about where this is going. I'm worried about all   the Nazi talk. Not just because it's directed at 

me and you, but because once you start talking   like that, it's kind of hard to walk it back. 

And it's kind of hard to disapprove of violence   when the people you're calling Hitler get killed. 

Like, how could you be sad when Hitler dies? So,   how do we where are we going? And how do we 

stop the introduction of like Nazi Hitler,   fascist into our conversation? We we need to pull 

back on that, I think. Well, I obviously you're   right about that. There's no question. And I think 

what you're also correct about is the fact that   these words are specifically being used in a way 

to intimidate people and persuade them to avoid   speaking out against what they find to be a huge 

problem in our country's priorities right now. And   what I would like to say to anyone who's been 

smeared as an anti-semite when they don't have   any hatred in their hearts at all for the Jewish 

people is don't let them win when they do that to   you because you know in your heart you're not an 

anti-semite. You know in your heart that you're   not a Nazi. The people closest to you in your life 

know that. And so you as an American have every   right in the world to be critical of the fact that 

regardless of which presidential administration   we're talking about, our priorities are messed up 

and there isn't enough focus on all the various   aspects of American society that are completely 

falling apart right now as we speak. You know,   there's been political violence in this country. 

I'm going to put my cards on the table and say,   you know, I've been guilty of using inflammatory 

rhetoric certainly. Uh, but I think what you're   saying here is important, especially as it 

pertains to how Americans communicate with   one another about these incredibly controversial 

issues. I get that people get passionate, but you   have to understand the motivations of the person 

who's trying to smear you. Number one. Number two,   if you are met with this type of rhetoric from a 

fellow American, you're so right. Do not become   what you claim to hate. Don't become hateful 

yourself. I allowed that to happen to me to some   extent during Trump's first term. I have a lot of 

remorse about that because I think there are a lot   of really great people in this country. They voted 

for Trump. Turns out I don't care. Doesn't matter   who they voted for. It doesn't say anything about 

who they are as people. And more importantly,   they're my fellow Americans who have participated 

in what makes this country great, which is our   ability to voice our support and cast our ballot 

for who we feel is best to represent us. So,   I just think there's something kind of interesting 

happening in the country right now that gives   me a little bit of optimism, gives me a little 

bit of hope. People are starting to see beyond   partisanship and instead kind of understand. 

Okay, wait a minute. We're all Americans. It   feels like a lot of the framing around partisan 

divides is completely manufactured and in fact is   utilized by members of the media to divide us and 

to distract us from the fact that our government   is not focus