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Turning Point USA Responds to Candace Owens Theories About Charlie Kirk's Death and Schedules Live Fact Check
After months of silence, Turning Point USA addresses Candace Owens's theories about Charlie Kirk's death. Blake Neff explains why the organization initially stayed quiet but now feels compelled to respond to accusations ranging from secret tunnels to financial impropriety. He announces a live fact-checking event scheduled for December 15th in Phoenix and invites Owens to participate in person. The response comes as Turning Point staffers report receiving intense backlash from Owens's followers, with donors threatening to pull support based on unsubstantiated claims. Owens responds that she cannot attend in person but offers to join virtually, sparking debate about the terms of engagement and whether a face-to-face confrontation will happen.
Why Turning Point Stayed Silent
For months, Turning Point USA received hundreds, possibly thousands, of emails and calls asking them to respond to theories surrounding Charlie Kirk's death. People wanted the organization to invite Candace Owens on the show to address her claims. But for a long time, their approach was to say nothing.
There were several reasons for this silence. First, they thought her allegations were so absurd that nobody would believe them. They felt they shouldn't have to answer questions about secret tunnels or Egyptian Air Force planes following people around the country. That sort of thing seemed beneath contempt to respond to.
The second reason they said so little was because there's a good rule of thumb which Charlie followed: Do not feed the trolls. Focus on the mission. Reviving America, uplifting young people, making heaven crowded. Don't give air to people who want to tear you down.
Lastly, they didn't respond because Charlie always viewed Candace as a friend and they were holding out hope that she would return that friendship and stop what she was doing.
The Impact on Charlie's Legacy
Candace seems to feel that she is being a good friend to Charlie by trying to figure out who was responsible for his death. The other perspective is that in the midst of that supposed effort, she is destroying the fruit of his labor that he tried so hard to bring together.
Charlie worked to build a Republican coalition to vote Republican, to vote for the better, more freedom-minded candidate, even if there were disagreements on a variety of things. He did that through Turning Point. He did that by turning out the vote, by chasing ballots, by trying to figure out what everyone could agree on. What materials for this edifice of America could they agree on so they could actually build something?
This approach is juxtaposed with how progressives do things, which is: it doesn't matter what materials we're using as long as we are tearing the thing down. It's much more difficult to build than to destroy because you have to agree on materials.
Right now in the wake of Charlie's death, there are many different factions, many different fragments that don't agree on what the foundation should look like. Charlie was kind of holding a lot of that together. He was holding that together through Turning Point. He worked so hard, sprinted his race until he was 32 years old when God called him home.
Turning Point probably feels that everything Charlie built and tried to do is being undermined and questioned by someone who is potentially implicating Turning Point itself in Charlie's murder. That's why they now feel a need to defend themselves.
The Specific Claims Blake Neff Addresses
Blake Neff later said that Erika Kirk signed off on his statement and their efforts to fact check. They are now scheduling a time to fact check live and invited Candace to be a part of that.
Blake listed several theories that Candace Owens has put forth:
- Details of Turning Point's Utah Valley University event were unusual
- The assassination was an "inside job"
- Charlie's security team intentionally denied him first aid after he was shot
- Foreign aircrafts, specifically Egyptian planes, have followed Erika Kirk around the country
- Mikey McCoy knew Charlie Kirk was going to be murdered but covered it up and was happy about Charlie Kirk's death
On the claim about Mikey McCoy, Blake said: "She has suggested that Michael McCoy, Charlie's chief of staff, knew Charlie would be murdered, was happy that he died and stayed silent because he was told he would be the next Charlie. She has suggested Michael is not his real name. It is. I have seen his birth certificate myself. She has called it suspicious that Mikey's wife, who works at Turning Point, helped plan the campus tour event where Charlie was murdered, which she didn't, by the way. She doesn't work on campus events."
Financial Allegations
Blake also addressed Candace's claim that Turning Point funds were unaccounted for. If this were true, it would be a criticism of Charlie's leadership and his responsibility. Here's what Blake had to say about that:
"She has made claims of financial impropriety and fraud at Turning Point, adding up into the millions of dollars, which again is not true. Charlie made sure the organization was audited by a third party every year. He personally reviewed and he signed off on every expense report and literally every single bill paid by the organization down to a single United States dollar. We have never missed a 990 deadline."
The Real Impact on Turning Point Staff
Blake Neff said that Turning Point staffers were receiving more hate from Candace's followers than Antifa. There are people calling Turning Point, possibly every day, saying they're no longer donating to Turning Point because they think TPUSA is involved in Charlie's murder somehow or they're not being transparent enough. The organization is being significantly impacted by these theories.
The Live Stream Announcement
Blake announced that on Monday, December 15th, they would do a live stream going claim by claim and debunking them. Candace would be welcome to join, not as an interviewee or as a debater or even as a guest, but just welcome to join into the live stream and ask whatever questions or bring whatever counterpoints she wants.
"Candace has mentioned several times that the ball is in our court," Blake said. "So, here's what is going to happen in the near future. There will be a live stream here in Phoenix where we address in a clear and comprehensive way the claims and accusations, the false accusations that have been made against Charlie's family, friends, and the people here at Turning Point. We plan to walk through everything carefully and thoroughly. If Candace is available, we would sincerely welcome her participation in that live stream at our studio here in Phoenix. At this point, we believe the ball is back in her court."
The parameters are direct: 4:00 p.m. Eastern, 2 p.m. Phoenix time on Monday, December 15th. A collection of Charlie's friends will respond to statements made by Candace to set the record straight once and for all prior to the opening of America Fest. They'll be live streaming from Charlie's Phoenix studio.
Why In-Person Matters
The invitation was specifically for an in-person appearance. When something is done remotely, even if it's not always nefarious or malicious, producers can feed information through earpieces, provide statistics, or guide responses. If the goal is to have the most beneficial and productive conversation possible, something face to face where everyone is privy to the same information right in front of them is most conducive to a good discussion.
Candace's Response
Candace responded on social media: "Kind of weird how you didn't email or call me to ask about times or availability and chose instead to tweet this confirmation out at midnight. Why am I learning about this on X? December 15th does not work in person and 2:00 p.m. PT is also the literal time I do my podcast live every day, which you knew, but we will happily cancel the daily podcast and we'll join you guys virtually instead for the live stream on the 15th if that works on your end. Let's lock it in."
She added: "We'll also add that I'm happy to jump on Charlie's show any day before then virtually as well. I was serious when I said we could do it today even virtually. I can make it happen pretty much any day because it's easier to move things around with the kids and find someone to sub for my morning homeschooling."
Some people noted that her oldest child is four years old, and questioned whether homeschooling commitments should prevent her from appearing in person on something that has dominated her content and seemingly her life for the past few months. If what she wants is truth and justice and transparency, this would be a huge opportunity to present her case face to face with people she alleges are involved in a betrayal of Charlie Kirk.
The Debate Over Terms
Candace later said: "So when you extend an invitation of live streaming and you don't explicitly say it must be in person, why would I assume that you're going to rescind the offer if I say that I can appear via live stream? They never said that when they made the offer and they were pretending that they were being sincere. They never made in person a point of their demands. They never also said that I had to respond within 24 hours. That's a hostage situation."
She explained that even if she could have made it work, which she couldn't because her husband said no and he has an important thing going on that day with people coming in from overseas, she wouldn't have confirmed within 24 hours because she has kids and would have needed time to organize things.
Where Things Stand
As of now, Blake has not responded to Candace Owens's new terms, even though she says the ball is in his court. It's unclear what will happen next or whether a virtual appearance will be accepted.
The situation is unfortunate. Turning Point is going to go through the claims and fact check them, but it's sad that they feel like they have to do this, that Charlie Kirk's legacy is being weighed in the court of public opinion. They surely would have preferred everyone to keep quiet for a bit so that the justice system can do what it's supposed to do, and as the trial goes on, ask questions about the veracity of the claims being made and the arguments by the prosecution and the defense.
It's not wrong to say something doesn't add up or seems strange or weird, and then to dig for truth. But innuendo-driven implication of people without any evidence of their involvement is a different matter entirely.
Video Transcript
For months, we have received hundreds,
thousands, I suspect, emails and calls
asking us to respond. People have wanted
us to invite Candace on the show. But
for a long time, our approach was to say
nothing. We did that for several
reasons. First, we thought that her
prearications were so absurd that nobody
would believe them. We shouldn't have to
answer questions about secret tunnels or
Egyptian Air Force planes. That sort of
thing is just it's beneath contempt to
respond to. The second reason we've said
so little though is because there's a
good rule of thumb which Charlie
followed. Do not feed the trolls. Focus
on the mission. Reviving America,
uplifting young people, making heaven
crowded. Don't give air to people who
want to tear you down. And so Discord.
Lastly, we didn't respond because
Charlie always viewed Candace as a
friend and we were holding out hope that
she would return that friendship and
stop what she was doing.
>> So, Candace seems to feel that she is
being a good friend to Charlie by trying
to figure out who done it. The other
perspective on that is that in the midst
of that supposed effort, she is
destroying some would say like the fruit
of his labor that he tried so hard to
bring together a Republican coalition to
vote Republican, to vote for the better,
more freedom-minded candidate, even if
we disagreed on a variety of things. And
he did that through turning point. And
he did that by turning out the vote, by
chasing ballots, by trying to figure
out, okay, what do we agree on? What
materials for this edifice of America do
we agree on so we can actually build
something? And that is just juxtaposed
with how progressives do things, which
is well, let's just it doesn't matter
what materials we're using as long as we
are tearing the thing down. Much more
difficult to build than to destroy
because you have to agree on materials.
And right now in the wake of Charlie's
death, we are seeing that oh, like we
don't have there are a lot of different
factions, a lot of different fragments
that we don't agree on what the
foundation should look like. And Charlie
was kind of holding a lot of that
together. And he was holding that
together through turning point. And he
worked so hard. He sprinted his race
until he was 30 32 years old and God
called him home. And I think Turning
Point probably feels, I don't know, that
wow, everything that Charlie built and
tried to do is being undermined and is
being questioned by this person who is
potentially implicating Turning Point
itself in Charlie's murder. And so I
understand why they feel now a need to
defend themselves. Blake said later that
Erica kind of signed off on his
statement, signed off on their efforts
to fact check and so now they are
scheduling a time to actually fact check
uh live and they invited Candace to be a
part of that. So he listed in his
monologue some of the theories that
Candace Owens has put forth. Details of
train points uh Utah Valley University
were unusual. That's something that
Candace claimed and that's something
that I personally refuted because I have
experience and like campus stops in the
past. She suggested that the um
assassination was quote an inside job.
This is what Blake Kn uh claimed. Uh he
also addressed the assertion that
Charlie's security team intentionally
denied him first aid after he was shot.
Uh he also listed the assertion that
foreign aircrafts, specifically Egyptian
planes, have followed Erica Kirk all
around the country. Uh Mikey McCoy knew
Charlie Kirk was going to be murdered
but covered it up. That is Blake saying
something that he says Candace said um
and was happy about Charlie Kirk's
death. Here's what he had to say
specifically on that one. Saw one.
>> She has suggested that Michael McCoy,
Charlie's chief of staff, knew Charlie
would be murdered. was happy that he
died and stayed silent because he was
told he would be the next Charlie. She
has suggested Michael is not his real
name. It is I have seen his birth
certificate myself. She has called it
suspicious that Mikey's wife, who works
at Turning Point, helped plan the campus
tour event where Charlie was murdered,
which she didn't, by the way. She
doesn't work on campus events.
>> Okay. Um, he also addresses her claim
that Turning Point funds were uncounted
for. And basically, I think that if this
were true, then that would be a
criticism of Charlie's leadership and
his responsibility. Uh, but here's what
Blake Nev has to say about that sub two.
>> She has made claims of financial
impropriy and fraud at Turning Point,
adding up into the millions of dollars,
which again is not true. Charlie made
sure the organization was audited by a
third party every year. He personally
reviewed and he signed off on every
expense report and literally every
single bill paid by the organization
down to a single United States dollar.
We have never missed a 990 deadline.
Okay. So Blake Math said that Turning
Point staffers were receiving more hate
from Candace's followers than Antifa.
And I I do know that there are people
that are calling Turning Point. I don't
know if it's every day. I don't know how
often it is. It wouldn't surprise me if
it were ever if it was every day. People
calling and saying, "I'm no longer
donating to Turning Point because I
think TPUSA is involved in his murder
somehow or they're not being transparent
enough." And so they are really being
impacted by these theories. Um, so he
also said that on Monday, December 15th,
that they are going to do a live stream
going claim by claim and debunking them,
which I think is the best thing to do.
And hopefully like Candace would support
this too. Like because she has a huge
audience, she's incredibly influential
and impactful. If she's going to make
these claims, it is only fair for
Turning Point to respond. not me, not
all of these people who cared about
Charlie outside of Turning Point, but
Turning Point themselves. And so they
are going to do this. And Blake Nef says
Candace is welcome to join, not as like
an interviewee or as a debater or even
as a guest, but just welcome to join
into the live stream and I guess ask
whatever questions or bring whatever
counterpoints she wants. Here's three.
>> Candace has mentioned several times that
the ball is in our court. So, here's
what is going to happen in the near
future. There will be a live stream here
in Phoenix where we address in a clear
and comprehensive way the claims and
accusations, the false accusations that
have been made against Charlie's family,
friends, and the people here at Turning
Point. We plan to walk through
everything carefully and thoroughly. If
Candace is available, we would sincerely
welcome her participation in that live
stream at our studio here in Phoenix.
At this point, we believe the ball is
back in her court.
>> Okay. So, I think that's direct. That's
great. He made the parameters, which
they are allowed to do. Some people
think that it's wrong how they did this.
Like, maybe they should have reached out
to her, seen when she was available. I
don't think so. Like, I think that they
did this the right way. This is what
they're going to do. This is the time
that they're going to do it. And she's
welcome to join if she can or not. So,
this is what Blake Nef posted after he
posted this monologue on X. He said,
"The live stream we announced on the
show Wednesday has been set. At 400 p.m.
Eastern, 2 p.m. local time, that's
Phoenix time on Monday, December 15th. A
collection of Charlie's friends will
respond to statements made by Candace to
set the record straight once and for all
prior to the opening of America Fest.
We'll be live streaming from Charlie's
Phoenix studio. Our offer from yesterday
holds. If Candace wishes to join us in
person in Phoenix, she is welcome to do
so. she can let us know by the end of
the day. And I think that's fair. Like I
think a totally fair parameter is that
something is done in person because when
something is done remotely, and I'm not
even saying this is always nefarious or
always malicious. This is just true.
This is the way things can be. Um if you
are doing an interview in your own
studio with your own earpiece, with your
own producers, your producers can feed
you things. your producers can tell you,
hey, here's the answer to this or bring
up this statistic. Again, I'm not saying
that it's always nefarious and bad and
wrong. But if you are trying to have
like the most beneficial and productive
conversation possible, I do think
something face to face where you're all
privy to the same information that's
right in front of you. I do think that
that is like the most conducive to
actually a good formidable discussion.
Um, now Candace responded to this. She
said, "Kind of weird how you didn't
email or call me to ask about times or
availability and chose instead to tweet
this confirmation out at midnight. Why
am I learning about this on X? December
15th does not work in person and 2:00
p.m. PT is also the literal time I do my
podcast live every day, which you knew,
but we will happily cancel the daily
podcast and we'll join you guys
virtually instead for the live stream on
the 15th if that works on your end.
Let's lock it in. So, she's saying she
can't do it in person, but she could
possibly do it virtually. Um, she said,
"We'll also add that I'm happy to jump
on Charlie's show any day before then
virtually as well. I was serious when I
said we could do it today even
virtually. can make it happen pretty
much any day because it's easier to move
things around with the kids and find
someone to sub for my morning
homeschooling. I saw some people
highlight that sub for my morning
homeschooling. I don't know. Um, I think
her oldest is four and so I think that
it's totally fine to say no like I can't
come in person and that's not like a
reason I can come but or like you know
there are variety of reasons I can't
come but this has been something that
has dominated her content and seemingly
her life for the past few months and it
does seem like this would be such a huge
opportunity if she feels like she has
the facts that are uncovering who really
murdered like one of her best friends.
It seems like this is like an incredible
opportunity to be able to present her
case. Like if what she wants is truth
and justice and transparency, the
opportunity to be face to face with some
of the people that are in
[clears throat] at least involved in the
betrayal of Charlie Kirk as she alleges.
I mean, that is huge. It just seems like
if this is something that has been so
central to your energy and your focus
for the past few months, then you would
drop absolutely anything to be there and
just to say, "Look, here is my evidence.
Here are my points, and I am going to
hold you guys accountable right now."
Like, that would be really, really
important. Um, on Friday, Nef explains
the invitation was for an in-person
appearance, not virtual, for the sake of
authenticity and detail. I always try to
do as many like in-person interviews
when it's something that's really
important, especially a debate. I
haven't always done that. You could find
virtual interviews and debates that I've
done, but it's so much better in person,
like when you can really interact with
someone and you all kind of have the
same things in front of you. You're all
hearing the same things. Um, here's what
Candace said. Um, she responded to the
original offer uh of like, "Yeah, let's
do this. Let's have you join five.
>> So when you extend an invitation of live
streaming and you don't explicitly say
it must be in person, why would I assume
that you're going to resend the offer if
I say that I can appear via live stream?
Okay, they never said that when they
made the offer and they were pretending
that they were being sincere. They never
made in person a point of their demands.
Um they never also said that I had to
respond within 24 hours. That's a
hostage situation. Okay.
>> Okay. So, that's how she feels about
that. That's fine. Um, and she said, now
she did say at one point like any day,
anytime,
I will do this. She was really excited.
It seemed like when she got the initial
invitation. Um, but then she said, you
know, no, I I can't do this in in person
here. Sussex.
>> 24 hours to respond. How about hm let me
see if I can make that work even if I
could have made it work which I couldn't
have because my husband instantly said
no you cannot do this Monday um and he
runs the household and he has an
important thing going on that day which
involves people from that are coming in
from overseas but even if I could have
made that work I would not have within
24 hours have confirmed to them if they
had even sent me an email because I have
kids I would have had had organized
things and it would have just taken
longer than 24 hours and they knew that.
So, as of right now, this may change as
the day goes on. Blake has not responded
to Candace Owens's new terms. Um, even
though she's sad the ball is in his
court. I have no idea. I don't have any
insider information about what's going
to happen next. Um, I think it's good
that they are going to go through the
claims and fact check them. I'm sad that
they feel like they have to do this. Um,
that this is kind of being weighed in
the court of public opinion. I am sure
that they would have loved everyone to
kind of keep quiet for a little bit just
so that the justice system can do what
the justice system is supposed to do and
as the trial goes on ask questions about
the veracity of the claims being made
the arguments by the prosecution and the
defense I don't think it's wrong again
to say well this doesn't add up or this
seems weird or this seems strange or is
this true and then to dig for truth I
don't think innuendo- driven implication
of people that you don't have any
evidence for their involvement is okay.
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