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Arielle and Savannah take their cameras to Pratt Institute, an art school in Brooklyn, to ask students what they actually think about Charlie Kirk's assassination and the wave of celebration that followed it online. What starts with one student saying she's glad Kirk died unfolds into a wider conversation about selective empathy, fear of speaking openly on a supposedly free-speech-friendly campus, and comparisons between America and authoritarian regimes some students grew up under. Arielle pushes back hard on the idea that violence is an acceptable response to disagreement, eventually getting a student who opened the interview celebrating Kirk's death to admit she wouldn't want the same thing to happen to Arielle. It's an unfiltered, sometimes uncomfortable look at how young people are processing political violence, free expression, and where they personally draw the line between hate speech and dissent.
Testing Free Speech at an Art School
Arielle and Savannah went to Pratt Institute, an Ivy League-caliber art school in Brooklyn, New York, to find out what students there actually think about Charlie Kirk's assassination and the broader culture war surrounding political violence. The goal, as Arielle put it, was to see whether students on one of the country's most supposedly free-expression-friendly campuses were being indoctrinated, and to hear directly what they had to say.
'I'm Glad That He Died'
The first student interviewed didn't hold back. Asked what she thought about people celebrating Kirk's death, she said she was glad he died, explaining that she felt he didn't care about people like her. She argued that right-leaning people in debates often refuse to meet others halfway and only accept their own way of thinking. She went on to say that queer people and people of color are killed regularly without making the news, and suggested Kirk was, in her view, indirectly supporting policies she believed were harmful. When Arielle pressed her on specific claims, including that the president was trying to bring back segregation, the student admitted she wasn't sure where she'd heard that, only that it seemed obvious to her.
Selective Empathy and Who Counts as Human
Several students expressed some version of the same idea: that Kirk's death was unfortunate but not something they felt compelled to condemn strongly, because they didn't personally know him or agree with his views. One student pushed back on that logic directly, asking why empathy should depend on personal familiarity or agreement. Everybody should feel offended by an assassination like this, the student argued, because if it's acceptable to kill Kirk over his words, the same logic applies to anyone else who speaks their mind, including the people being interviewed.
Fear on a Supposedly Free Campus
A recurring theme emerged: students, including international students, said they no longer feel comfortable speaking freely, engaging online, or even expressing opinions in class, partly out of fear of social backlash and, for some international students, concern over their visa status. One student originally from China said she came to the United States in part because she felt safer expressing herself here than she would at home, where criticizing the government isn't allowed. Another student who said they grew up in a country where people could only speak their minds quietly at home, comparing the atmosphere to living under authoritarian rule, said watching Kirk's public assassination made that fear feel newly real in America.
Comparing Rhetoric to History
Some students drew comparisons between the current political climate and historical authoritarianism, suggesting that a mindset of refusing to tolerate disagreement was creeping into American political culture. Others pushed back, suggesting that a comfortable, privileged country sometimes manufactures a sense of victimhood where none exists. The conversation circled back repeatedly to the same question: whether freedom of expression still functions in practice, even on a campus built around it.
Where Is the Line?
Much of the conversation turned to defining the boundary between free speech, hate speech, and incitement to violence. One student argued that Kirk had, in her view, promoted rhetoric around gun rights that ultimately circled back on him, since his accused killer reportedly had connections to the communities Kirk sometimes criticized. Others argued that laws need clear definitions, and that if offense alone were enough to justify violence, that standard could be stretched to justify almost anything. Students disagreed over whether being a Christian who doesn't personally support LGBTQ lifestyles is the same as hating gay people, with one arguing that disagreement with someone's choices doesn't require dehumanizing them as a person.
'Why Him?'
Multiple students noted the strangeness of singling out Kirk when, in their words, everyone expresses opinions online. One woman who said she had personally known Kirk, having met him about a month before he was killed, pushed back on the narrative that he hated women or minorities. She said his consistent message to her had been to pursue her goals, stay loyal, and build a life centered on faith and family, and that someone deciding it was acceptable to kill him over his words was, in her view, indefensible. Another student offered a blunt theory for the double standard: Kirk was making enough of an impact that people were afraid of it.
A Confrontation and a Shift
Arielle circled back to the student who opened the interview by saying she was glad Kirk died, asking her directly whether she could say the same thing to Arielle's face, since Arielle said she agreed with roughly 99 percent of what Kirk believed. The student said she would not be glad if that happened to Arielle, and ultimately agreed that murdering someone over disagreement is wrong regardless of who the target is or what they believe, including if the victim were gay or transgender. Arielle argued the goal of these interviews isn't to score points but to force people to see each other as human again, noting that the shift from casually celebrating a stranger's death to reconsidering that position took only a few minutes once a face and a name were attached to the question.
Not Just a New York Problem
Closing out the video, Arielle reflected that the views expressed weren't unique to a Brooklyn art school. The same mindset, she said, exists among neighbors and even fellow churchgoers across the country, which is part of why she said she now travels to left-leaning campuses with a hired security guard, something she said she wouldn't feel necessary at a conservative gathering. Despite the tension throughout the conversation, Arielle said she came away encouraged that not every student they spoke with agreed political violence was acceptable, even as she said it was genuinely unsettling how many did.
Video Transcript
I'm glad that he died. You think he
should have been murdered because he
disagrees with you? Basically,
>> I don't think he should have been
murdered, but I feel like
>> you said I'm happy he died. I'm not mad
that he was.
>> Yeah. Well, speaking about Charlie Kirk,
I mean, he was brutally murdered because
he was speaking his mind. Do you think
that that was justified?
>> Yeah.
>> Yes.
>> Savannah and I are here today at Pratt
Institute, one of the most hopefully
pro-f freedom of speech and pro- freedom
of expression places in the country.
This is an Ivy League art school in
Brooklyn, New York. And we are going to
see what these students, if they're
being indoctrinated or not. We're going
to see what they have to think about the
whole Charlie Kirk situation and
political violence and the culture war.
>> Yeah, let's go.
>> What do you think about people that are
celebrating the death of someone that
was just speaking his mind, Charlie
Kirk?
>> I'm glad that he died because he don't
give a [ __ ] about me. It's getting to a
point now where it's like debates can't
even happen. say people who are like
right-wing or like anything like that,
they will find any way to like not get
there like they will they won't meet
anybody else in the conversation. It has
to be like the way that they think.
>> Once you realize that 99% of this hate
that is spewed by these types of people
is based on fear. You'll understand
their reactions and the psychology
behind it all. And you'll understand why
I have some sympathy or empathy towards
these types still.
>> So many queer people, people of color
have been killed and it's not on the
news. There's a lot of factors that if
you check all these boxes, you being
murdered as a person is not going to
even get in the newspaper. You're less
than is essentially. And that's not
>> if you're if you're queer or black or a
woman or and I'm not saying that. I
don't believe that. But it's like
there's so many people that are murdered
and if they're like sex workers or drug
dealers or something, they're seen as
less than. Like still, it's not good
that he was killed. But I feel like he's
still indirectly supporting Trump and
Trump doesn't like every type of person.
He's trying to bring back slavery. He's
trying to
>> Okay, I'm sorry. I don't mean to laugh,
but like where where did you hear that?
>> I mean, it's kind of obvious, right?
>> No,
>> he doesn't like black people. They're
trying to make laws for segregation
again.
>> He doesn't like black people, but he
invited me to the White House back in
May. I went to the White House. Why
would he invite me to the White House?
You think it's like mostly right-wing
people have that problem? I mean, like,
you know, everything is subjective.
Like, there's always exceptions to
everything. But I've seen more examples
of people who are in support of people
like Trump or Charlie Kirk or anything
like that that are just so rigid in the
way that they think that like they they
will think that any other mindset is
like a joke to them. He was brutally
murdered because he was speaking his
mind. Do you think that that was
justified?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Yes.
>> We should be able to kill people if we
don't agree with them.
>> Whatever. Keep in mind that the majority
of these types of students are told by
the media, by their peers, by their
teachers that Gaza is safer for gays
than Trump.
>> What did Charlie say that says he
doesn't like people like you? Honestly,
I don't know, but that's just what I've
heard.
>> You know, it's like, [ __ ] around and
find out.
>> Blinded by rage. A lot of people are
really angry and scared. Fear creates
anger. You know, you displacement. You
don't know where to put it.
>> How could you say that about Charlie?
because it's the internet and I don't
know him and people make memes and it's
funny.
>> I mean, if we're going to go on that
logic, right, that if you [ __ ] around,
find out what if you say something one
day and somebody doesn't agree with what
you have to say and they think it's okay
to kill you for it. I mean, you're an
art school student. This is literally
what you're what you're studying, right?
Freedom of expression.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So, what makes your right to speak
different than somebody else's?
>> It's not different. Everything has
consequences.
>> How would you know what where the line
is drawn is what I'm saying.
>> But like I I feel bad for people that
were affected by it. But this is the
thing is that you may not feel empathy
because you didn't know him. mean and
agree with him, but everybody should
feel offended because if they can kill
him, they can kill me, they can kill
you, they can kill her, they can kill
him, they can kill everybody.
>> Direction the country is headed right
now ain't good.
>> I agree with that.
>> Probably a lot of people agree with that
no matter their political standing of
just
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Back to the video.
>> Do you think that it was wrong that he
was assassinated?
>> That's up to interpretation to be
honest. Half half of people will say he
didn't deserve it. Other people will say
he died by his words.
>> What do you say? I mean, I feel like he
died by his words, but death is death.
Death is bad regardless. Do you believe
in freedom of speech in his country?
>> Uh, yeah. You should, right? You're from
China, so you know, you know the
difference, right? It's a big difference
between between here and and China,
right?
>> Mhm.
>> Do you think somebody should be silenced
for their political opinions?
>> I think in American people can uh talk
very free. I'm afraid. I don't know.
>> We're living in a country now that you
could get killed if you say what you
believe in.
>> That's shouldn't be afraid. That's the
point we're trying to make, right?
>> Yeah. Do you think America is a place
where we should have to fear that?
>> And I think in America is fine, but in
China is that definitely we cannot say
anything about the uh government or the
right.
>> Yeah, absolutely. I know there's um a
lot of well there's a lot of
international students here but a lot of
international students here who are now
feeling like they can't get involved
with anything or actually like express
how they feel or like stand up for it at
all because or like engage with anything
online for out of fear of like their
visa getting or like something like that
>> some sort of repercussion.
>> We had a girl we just interviewed not
too long ago. She's from China and she's
coming here to do design. You know about
China they're pretty communist. You
can't really say anything about the
government. can't put your opinions out,
but America's not supposed to be like
that. And she said that, you know, one
of the reasons that she came here was
because she feels more safe. And now we
just witnessed a public assassination of
a man because he was doing just that,
speaking his mind.
>> And that's why you're here, right?
You're here because you want to express
yourself freely, right?
>> Yeah.
>> I don't know. I think America's like
they're downgrading so much. In fact,
they might they're becoming like China
in a way.
>> It's kind of scary. I grew up in a
country where you couldn't speak your
mind.
>> Okay. Where you from?
>> And Hitler in Germany and he just spoke
quietly at home about things we didn't
like. Mhm.
>> Does it scare you that America is going
down that path it seems?
>> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Everything has
changed.
>> I feel like the people who had that kind
of mentality that Hitler did of like,
"No, I don't believe what you're saying,
so I'm just going to take over." I think
that's flooding into America a little
bit and it's by people who have never
experienced being under somebody like
Hitler. Isn't that interesting?
>> Yes.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean, I think maybe maybe we're so
privileged in this country that we are
trying to find something to make us feel
victimized, which is weird.
>> Creating our own problems.
>> Yeah. We're creating our own problems
because we just don't have any. So, we
just need to come up with an excuse on
why we're victims.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, do you agree with
the statement that you that you think
freedom of expression is important for
all people? Freedom of
>> As long as you're not hurting someone.
>> So, you think words are not violence?
>> Well, they can be. Yes.
>> Okay. How?
>> Cuz they can incite violence.
>> Where do you think the line is drawn
between hate speech, free speech, and
and incitement of violence? Cuz hate
hate speech is basically basically based
on opinion. Cuz a lot of people agreed
with what Charlie was saying. I'm a
lesbian. I don't agree with things that
he said. I don't think anyone can ever
be killed for that.
>> It also depends on like the kind of
rhetoric. It's like it's like, you know,
you get you get what you put out into
the world. He was he was proposing like
gun law rhetoric, you know, freedom to
carry and he was killed by like the same
people that like he usually like
advertises to. So it's like, you know,
>> the shooter was gay and was, you know,
dating a a person who was transitioning.
Charlie doesn't usually affiliate
himself with leftists. I mean, if
somebody wanted to kill AOC, Joe Biden,
Kla Harris, like you would be full in
support of that cuz they if they didn't
agree with them.
>> It's not about I'm in support cuz I
agree with them. I just feel like, you
know, it's a thing that happens.
>> How far does that go? Cuz I mean some
people might say, "Well, I think it's
okay to rape somebody." Like, "Should we
not criminalize rape?" Then just let let
people rape.
>> Like, no, obviously not.
>> But what she's saying is that laws have
definitions, right? And and if if we're
saying that violence can be defined as
somebody being offended by words that
could be translated to almost anything.
>> Is there a line or is it person to
person? And therefore, like if it's
person to person, then we shouldn't have
any laws. We should just let people do
what they want to do.
>> I can't really say as like as far as
when the line or where the line or how
it should be drawn. I just know that,
you know, sometimes people just have
enough.
>> How do we define what hate speech is
then? How do we define what is
considered like, oh, well, that's
justifiable because he said that versus
it's not justifiable because he only
said this.
>> I think it depends on the scenario. I
don't
>> You see how it can get you see how it
can get very tricky though cuz I could
sit here and say I don't like they them.
>> Yeah,
>> cuz I I don't I actually Not that I
don't like you. That could be considered
hate speech or or incitement of violence
potentially.
>> So,
>> but but somebody else would. Well, you
can just say that you don't like someone
and that's not hate speech.
>> Right. Right.
>> See, that's where so much of the left
disagrees that if say, "Well, you're a
Christian." Like, that's what they said
about Charlie. Charlie is a Christian.
He doesn't support the LGBT community.
Yeah, he didn't. But does that mean he
hated gay people? Does that mean he
thought they shouldn't exist? Does that
mean he thinks that they should be put
in these fake camps that people keep
making up? No. hospital.
>> You you can you cannot support
somebody's actions or their lifestyle,
but also respect them as a human being
on a platform saying these people are
bad in and spreading that to not just
like oh I don't like this one person
where it's like you don't like them
because part of them the like a huge
part of them you disagree with. Maybe we
should be more clear and say that like
this is obviously this isn't all people.
But I think we know that like I think we
know not all white people are racist.
Not all black people are thugs. Not all
Asian people are like have the highest
IQ. I mean all of these
>> we knew this 20 years ago when I went to
this damn school happens. I really
don't. But what I'm saying is I think
it's important to recognize where this
is all coming from so we can put an end
to it. I went to this school 20 years
ago, right? Almost 20 years ago, 15
years ago, whatever it is. We were all
about pro- freedom of expression,
freedom of speech. Like there were
people of every different race,
nationality, religions that went here.
And now whenever I go onto any college
campus, most of them I would say across
the country. Like I literally fear. And
there was a girl we just we just talked
to two minutes ago that said, "I'm
afraid to say what I think."
>> That's what
>> And and and an art school at an art
school in the middle in America in New
York City in the bluest place, people
are afraid of their own opinions.
>> That is a big problem. regardless of
what you believe or not, people should
have the opportunity to speak about it
because that's how we also derail bad
ideas, right?
>> Do you feel like you have the freedom to
speak your mind in America right now?
>> Um, personally, no. For people that
disagree with you, like you probably
don't feel super comfortable saying what
you feel.
>> What do you think about that fact that
just saying that you're you're in a blue
city in a blue state at a college campus
in New York City and you don't feel like
it's okay to speak your mind? I mean, I
feel like it's
>> you're at an art school
>> and you feel like you're afraid to say
what you really think.
>> Isn't that a problem? I mean,
>> it is a big problem.
>> It's a big problem. When I went here 20
years ago, everyone everyone spoke their
mind. No one said people would do crazy
[ __ ] It's art school, right? There was
somebody that staged a suicide death
here in the bathroom. Do you remember?
Okay. That was when I was here. They did
a fake hanging sculpture in the
bathroom. Imagine people doing that now.
>> No, I agree with you. Wonderful.
>> So, you did hear about that in the
bathroom? Wow. That was when I went to
school. Legendary.
>> We were legends. We were legends. We
were iconic back in the day. Like I said
in the beginning of the video, it's sad
that we're at supposed hopefully one of
the most pre-f freedom of expression
places in the country and we're still
finding people that have an issue with
freedom of expression, freedom of
speech. We don't want people on our side
or our side to do what what the people
on the other side are doing right now.
That's why we're we're taking a stand
and saying like it's not okay when
anybody does it.
>> I can't really say too much of like if
he deserved to die or it should have
happened. It did happen and that's a
thing that happens. And
>> we don't think it was wrong. No,
>> we want to know where the current state
of of America with with the the college
students is standing. And I think
>> assassinations are a thing. You know,
>> I don't agree with killing people like
>> an assassination like I don't
>> that's not going to help anything. Carly
Kirk was assassinated for speaking his
mind.
>> Yeah.
>> What do you think about that situation?
>> I think it was wrong because at the end
of the day, he was just speaking his
mind. You know, he shouldn't have been
assassined for that.
>> I can tell you I actually knew the guy.
I saw him only a month before he was
murdered. I'm obviously not white. I'm
not a man. And there's all these people
saying, you know, he was racist. He
hated women. All he ever did was
encourage me to follow my dreams, to be
loyal, and, you know, worship God and
get married, have babies. That was his
message. And somebody thought that it
was okay to just murder him because of
words.
>> It's crazy cuz at the end of the day,
everyone speaks their mind on the
internet. So, it's like, why him,
>> right?
>> Like, what makes him different from
everyone else?
>> Because he's making an impact and people
are afraid of that. And that worries me
for people like you guys who are a lot
of your media major, I'm assuming.
Marketing, not
>> architecture. Okay. You're somebody
that's literally building the future.
>> Literally building the future. Okay. And
you're afraid of it.
>> Yeah.
>> That's not normal.
>> Did you hear about Charlie Kirk's
assassination?
>> I don't think like celebrating someone's
like death
>> is like should ever be done.
>> The question is, do you feel that you
can safely speak your mind in America
right now?
>> No. I mean, I'm going to anyways, but
it's not it's not looking safe. Do you
think that's normal for a country like
America that we should be afraid to use
the number one amendment?
>> No, it's not. It's quite a bummer. Quite
disappointed in the country giving all
of those up, getting rid of all those
books in the libraries,
the ISIS coming after anybody that you
know. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, I guess not.
>> We live in a country right now where you
can be publicly assassinated for just
sitting in a chair and speaking. Charlie
Kirk was assassinated two weeks ago
tomorrow and all he was doing was
sitting in a chair and speaking his
mind. trying to actually have
conversation. Do you condemn that he was
murdered that way?
>> Yeah. Yeah. He was just sitting and and
talking, right? I mean, listen, I don't
I don't particularly agree with the guy,
but
>> that's okay. You don't have to. I don't
have to agree with all of these people
who go and march in the streets about
free Palestine. But am I going to say
that they shouldn't be able to do that?
No.
>> No. I mean, I think the biggest problem
in our country right now is that we're
just not talking to each other. I think
free speech is super important, but I do
feel like when it gets into the area of
hate speech, that's different. And I do
feel like, not that Charlie Kirk should
have been killed for what he said,
regardless of it being hate speech or
freedom of speech or whatever, but I do
feel like freedom of speech like does
have a degree to it still. Like when
it's like spreading false information.
>> Well, that's what Jimmy Kimmel did,
right? He said he said that the that the
shooter was a MAGA Republican and he's
and he's not. and like saying things as
if they're like scientific facts that
are simply untrue and like spreading
further like stereotypes and false
information about different minority
groups and like that's just not okay.
>> I think if that's the case, it should be
it should be happening on all sides of
the political spectrum and the culture
war. I think I think Democrats and
progressives lie a lot about a lot of
[ __ ] too, right? They lie about me. They
say I'm transphobic and racist and all
this [ __ ] They say she's a [ __ ]
>> Everybody's social media is catered to
like what you believe in. And so it's
kind of hard to create conversation and
then the divide gets like fatter and
fatter. It's like impossible to see the
other side and that creates like this
really really really unreasonable rage
which is a bummer and it leads to
violence like that. But what I do care
about is that we all treat each other
with respect that we see each other for
our humanity. And I think we're really
being divided. And I think that the
media uses things like this, even if
it's wrong,
to further divide us. And the fact that
I don't have enough information,
literally proves that. You started this
interview saying, "I'm happy that he
died." Can you look me in the face and
say that you'd be happy if I died?
Because I agreed with about 99% of what
Charlie agreed with. You know, can you
look me in the face and say that?
>> I wouldn't be. How could you say that
about Charlie? Because it's the internet
and I don't know him and people make
memes and it's funny
>> and that's the reason why people like
Charlie and people like Savannah and I
are doing these types of videos and we
get a lot of [ __ ] for we get a lot of
hate but because we are literally in a
way I guess forcing people to rehumanize
us
>> and like are having a hard time
humanizing whatever side they're not on,
>> right? To rehumanize people like you.
Cuz 5 minutes ago you were all ra [ __ ]
Charlie and now you're like wait a
second like that's actually not a good
idea, right? And it and it took all of 5
minutes to get there which is insane
>> I guess. So,
>> and it would be just as wrong if
somebody wanted to shoot you if you were
gay, protrans, are you gay?
>> Yes.
>> Okay. It's just as wrong for somebody to
murder you because they don't like gay
people as it is. Exactly.
>> I could agree with that.
>> Where's mama?
>> #ave gay. # save.
>> Oh, we had a lot of amazing
conversations today. Was surprised
honestly that a few of them
>> Yeah. with a few of them that not
everybody on the left is just like,
"Yeah, you should have died." And we
also saw that a lot of that is true and
that is really scary. And I want you to
know that this isn't just a New York
City. This is your neighbor. This is
somebody that you go to church with.
Probably has that same mindset.
>> I also think it makes a lot of sense
that we have to hire a security guard
like Mario, who's amazing, by the way.
Follow him on his Instagram down below.
We have to hire him when we go to these,
you know, usual leftwing campuses and
stuff like that. But like if I were to
go to like the RNC, like I don't I feel
like I wouldn't need to hire somebody.
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