Baron Coleman Debriefs Candace Owens' Erika Kirk Meeting and Exposes Frank Turek's Involvement in Charlie Kirk Investigation

You guys cannot possibly know how close I came to wearing the bad cop hat tonight. [laughter] I was dangerously close. It was dangerously close. Guys, welcome in. Welcome in. Uh Baron Coleman, Real Baron podcast. Uh if you have not subscribed, please do so now. Helps the channel. Uh like the video. That helps push it to the top of the algorithm. And u and go ahead and click the notifications while you're in here. Folks, we have a massive show. I This has probably been one of my most anticipated shows that I've had uh in quite some time. I I rarely anticipate a show as much as I've anticipated this one. This is uh this is one I've looked forward to since uh since Sunday night. Wait, no, wait a minute. What's today? When's it? Since Monday night. Monday night. Um and [clears throat] and uh I I've the bad cop hat would have been I think overkill. And I'll explain why as I go through it. And that uh that may disappoint some of you. I hope it doesn't because um cuz we're dealing with a unique blend of liars, narcissists, psychopaths, and that just covers our side. No, no, I'm just kidding. That that covers the other side. That's the TPUSA side. That's the feds side. But we're dealing with a unique blend here. And I want to jump into this because I have so much to cover tonight and I do not want to hold you guys forever. So, let me jump into the opening statement. I will jump in with both feet. [clears throat] I'm holding nothing back tonight. Absolutely nothing back. And that may disappoint some people. I can't help that. Um but at least I didn't wear the bad cop hat because I feel like that would have been overkill. So uh bear with me. We will open per usual and um [clears throat] and get right into the meat of tonight. There's a ton to cover. In October 1936, October 1936, Dale Carnegie released a fairly short book about how to deal with people. The book is titled How to Win Friends and Influence People. It's been in print for almost 90 years. It's on the list of bestselling books of all time, ahead of staples of literature like The Great Gatsby, Gone with the Wind, Ben, and The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn. A book doesn't land on that esteemed list without being perceived as hugely valuable. The book is a practical guide that title gives away its object. The book tells you how to be likable and get people on your side. I've read my copy numerous times. It's highlighted and underlined. I find it incredibly informative and even if I don't always follow its good advice, um I typically recognize it when I encounter its advice being followed in the wild. section five of part four, which is page 211 in my copy. It's a quick four-page section titled, "Let the other person save face." The section ends with these important words. Quote, "Even if we are right and the other person is definitely wrong, we only destroy ego by causing someone to lose face." The legendary French aviation pioneer and author Antoine de St. Extubi, I don't know how to pronounce the French name, wrote, "I have no right to say or do anything that diminishes a man in his own eyes. What matters most is not what I think of him, but what he thinks of himself. Hurting a man in his dignity is a crime. A real leader will always let the other person save face." End quote. I raised this, of course, in light of the one uh in light of one of the more shocking and important developments in the Charlie Kirk investigation. On Sunday night of this week, we learned that Erica Kirk had invited Candace Owens to sit down for an in-person meeting to discuss Candace's allegations related to the investigation. As we discussed during the last episode, the TPUSA and Fed Slot pushers at first tried to ignore Candace's investigation. Then they called her stupid. Then they called her crazy. Then they called her evil and then they started attacking her. TPA uh TPUSA even tried embarrassing Candace by inviting her on their show, but the invitation went out after midnight and had to be accepted on the very same day. Worse, they attached unnecessary conditions on the proposed invitation and wouldn't give any details about how the appearance would be conducted. When none of those escalations worked to stop Candace from investigating Charlie Kirk's death, they sent Erica Kirk on a media tour in an attempt to regain control of the narrative. The media tour failed miserably. The ratings for Erica Kirk's big town hall on CBS were embarrassingly dreadful. I've looked them up. They're horrible. That's when Erica decided to fly to Nashville to meet Candace on Candace's turf. Erica and the COO of Turning Point met with Candace for 4 and a half hours to ask and answer each other's questions. Candace went live yesterday on a regularly scheduled show to debrief with her audience about the meeting. Whether or not Candace has read Dale Carneg's masterpiece on how to win friends and influence people, Candace executed section 5 of part 4 to a te. She let Erica save face. Viewers obviously view that decision differently. Some agree with it and understand why she did it. They understand she let Erica save face. Others don't agree with it. The ones who don't are frustrated she didn't attempt to tear Erica Kirk to shreds in her debrief. Rather than wanting to allow Erica to save face, this faction wants blood. And I get it. TPUSA has been hostile, dishonest, and frankly disgusting in the way they've handled themselves since Charlie Kirk passed away on September 10th. They've lied. They've lied straight to our faces. And they've lied straight to our faces time and time again. They've been manipulative. They've hid behind the coattails of a grieving widow to avoid accountability for their hideous behavior. Reasonable minds can disagree on what they would have done if they were Candace Owens the day after her meeting with Erica Kirk. As for this show, I'm going to continue on the mission we've been on for the past 97 days. I've turned over every rock I can find. I've identified a number of leads that must be investigated before Tyler Robinson goes to trial. I've talked to experts. I've studied subjects I previously didn't know existed. And when I sense TPUSA, including their new CEO, Erica Kirk, are being misleading or being flatout dishonest, I'm going to identify those instances and call them on. Period. I understand the deep instinct a close personal friend of Charlie Kirks would have to want to allow Erica Kirk to save face after traveling here to Nashville for an in-person meeting. But Charlie Kirk was not a close personal friend of mine. I've never met Erica Kirk and she didn't call me and I think she's carrying on the way TPUSA has carried on since since September 10th. I think she's lying. And tonight we're going to talk about why I think that. We're going to run through a few clips from her debrief, from Candace's debrief with Erica Kirk, and I'll give you my take on that meeting. [cough] [clears throat] This isn't to say Candace was wrong or lying to you or whatever. But it is to say that I don't have any close personal ties to the situation. I'm a neutral observer. I also want to review a statement Frank Turk made recently. And I want to add that I've moved Frank Turk back onto the corkboard. And if you don't know what the corkboard is, the corkboards are the the boards insane people have on their walls with the red twine and the cutout pictures all tied together. Frank Purk was on my corkboard right after the event at UVU. It was because the baseball hat and the signals. I mean, it started there and I put him on the corkboard and I immediately, my opinion was he had to be involved. Then after a little while, I took him off the corkboard, meaning I thought he was no longer involved. Frank Turk is back on my corkboard and every time he goes on a podcast, I connect him with more red twine and his picture is starting to look like a crazy cat lady with a whole ball of twine wrapped around it and on top of it. So, we'll talk about why I added him back onto the courtboard. He's back up there with Dan Flood and Mikey McCoy and everyone else who was in the SUV that day and apparently half the federal government. We'll get to that. Uh, but first first we have to give to our get to our $1,000 gift card giveaway. I want to get to that um so that you guys can enjoy the fruits of some of the labor of uh this program. Now, I put some conditions I put some conditions on the uh on the gift card giveaway. Namely, you have to prove it's you by opening a channel or if you don't have a channel already, opening a channel and making a small edit. 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I'll click back over there in just a second. Here's what I want to um I want to I want to set up a little bit about what tonight's going to look like. When I go through Candace Owens um debrief, I don't want anyone to walk away and say, "Hey, he's defending her." Or, "Hey, he's attacking her." You know what I'm doing? I'm conducting my channel the way I conduct it. I always conduct my channel the way I conduct it. I don't conduct the channel to please or displease anyone. I don't seek to attack other creators. Um I call the news how I see it. I don't seek to please other creators. I see I call the news how I see it. And I think uh I think you guys have seen that and expected it. Hey, this is going to take a little while to load all these comments. So, I'm going to go ahead and start into the uh debrief and then I will click back over to this. I'm going to pull it down on this on the um I'm going to pull it down on a different screen here so I'll be able to see it continue to roll. And then when it's done um and it selects somebody, I will pull it back up. How about that? So that way I can get into the show. We're not just killing time while this thing loads comments because it's loading a zillion of them. All right, let me pull this up on the screen. I'm going to jump right into it. Here's how I'm going to do it. I'm going to play a clip and I'm going to react. Some of the times my reaction will be on a 10 or 12 second clip. Sometimes it's going to take a little while to get through it, so just bear with me. Um, and here we go. This is a little less than a minute clip. This is about the text messages and Erica Kirk's response. >> They owned that right away and explained Erica said that she has Charlie's phone. She's looking at his iMes. And it turns out that he, like everybody else, communicates on Signal. He communicates on Telegram. and that those commun when she heard me say that they then went and looked and yes that what I said was true. Uh and Drovette received a message the night before and Dan Flood received a message the night before. Now they asked me if I had actually like a concrete a copy of what Dan Flood got the night before and I said no. Somebody told me what it said which was almost exactly what Andrew said which is they're going to kill me. Andrew did not know who they were who they that the day that that he was referring to. uh were but they clarified that the message that Dan Flood received said the left is going to kill me. So I can't confirm that one way or the other. I have to trust them on that because I did not see that concrete message. I was told that it said they. Now obviously we discussed the moment and I'm laughing here because you Tik Tockers are actually out of control. You guys are going to be the reason that Israel gets TikTok because you guys are acting a fool all the time. And the videos were so hilarious of you guys mocking the Barry Weiss interview. It's great. It's good to laugh at ourselves and Barry Weiss is always worth laughing at. But >> All right. So, did you catch um Yeah, stop typing when I I've already selected the comments. Um and it's loading it into that thing. So, stop stop hitting when it's not there. If the sound's not connected, let me know. I've got uh I had I had somebody wire in some new um stuff in here tonight and we might have to to adjust some of the settings on it. But if it's if this for some reason the sound is disconnected, let me know. Uh but stop commenting when because it's it's just spamming the it's just spamming the chat. Here's what she said. They asked her, "Did you have a concrete copy Did you have a concrete copy of the Dan Flood text? Why do they want to know if she has a concrete copy? Here's why I think they wanted to know that whether she had a concrete copy. Because they were lying about what it said. They were lying about what it said. I think they lied right to her face on this when they questioned before about text messages. In other words, when Candace said, "Hey, I've got text messages here that says Charlie had to leave the pro-Israeli cause." And they were all like, "No, no such text messages exist." She goes, "Oh, well, they're right here." And she released them. They wanted to know, "Are you going to burn us and release these after we lie to you, or have you not seen them?" I'm confident of that. Now, I I can't prove it, but why would you ask? You've seen the text messages. Why are you asking her if she's seen the text messages or she's just heard about them? Because they changed the word. What they said is what what Andrew what she remembers Andrew Kovette saying or she remembers a TPUSA employee saying is they are going to try to kill me. What Erica said at the meeting was the left was going to try to kill him. Well, that's not the same. Who refers to the left as they? We know who they is. It's anti-Semitic to say they. There's no other explanation of why you would ask. In in fact, how about let's look at it together. Candace doo. Here's what it said. I have his [clears throat] phone right here. So, I look at this and I say already these guys are liars. These guys are already not telling the truth right out of the gate. We're not even eight minutes into this episode and they're already lying. I'm going to keep going. And again, perhaps I should have worn my bad cop hat. I love playing the bad cop when Candace is the good cop. I really do. This is just a 10se second clip, but it's an probably the most important clip. Eh, maybe one of the more important clips of the entire episode, but it's only 10 seconds. >> And then asking me to stop. And it's interesting to hear Erica say that the reason she didn't ask me to stop in the beginning because she was she was actually learning things from the show. She was actually learning things. >> Do what? Do what? Oh, you couldn't hear that. Hold on. You didn't ask her to stop cuz you were learning things. Why did you switch? YOU STOPPED LEARNING THINGS. So So Candace was honest initially. Candice was uh had good intel initially, but somehow her her her ability to get intel melted apart into little pieces and all of a sudden she was trash and evil and harming people and of and attacking people and attacking your family. Erica, are you kidding me? No. No. No. No. No. The reason you didn't ask her to stop is you didn't think she was going to figure it out. Bad cop. You didn't think she was going to figure it out. And as soon as she got close, all of a sudden, we have to jump on a plane, fly to Nashville, sit down in the in the living room, and lie to her face. We have to try to control this. It's the same Candace Owens that she's been for the last 10 years since she's been on the national scene. It's the same Candace Owens that's been investigating your husband's death for the last 3 months. If you are learning things on day one, day two, day 10, day 20, day 30, sit down and buckle your safety harness and be prepared to be educated further, young Erica. No, I don't buy that at all. I think she's lying again right to her face. Absolutely lying directly to her face. All right, I think I have a winner here. So, let me share this real quick. Uh, and then we'll get back to um and then we will get back to um that and then it picked one that uh that didn't say when. So, let me pick another one. There it is. There it is. Arizona girl 80. Hey, you sound like you live in the United States. You sound like you live in the United States. Uh Arizona girl 80. And if I was wrong and that first one did say when, I'll go back and look at the tape. I don't think it did. U but this is very small print. If it's uh if it's uh if I'm wrong and it did, then that person won. And Arizona girl, you're the backup. If that person, for whatever reason, doesn't claim it. But Arizona girl, get in touch with me on my email, realbaronpodcast@gmail.com. realbaronpodcast@gmail.com. And um email me and say I am the winner in the subject line. I will confirm it's you. You and I will work it out and I will confirm it's you. Uh once I confirm it's you, I'm going to send you the gift card. So, Arizona girl 80, work that out. Um, congratulations on behalf of uh everybody here. Arizona girl 80. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And um I'm glad Arizona is in your name. Erica won. [laughter] Erica is Arizona girl 80. That was a funny comment. Whoever said that, well done. Well done. All right. Um, hold on. It said the first one said when. Uh, the first one said when. Okay. Arizona girl Annie, it's not you then. [laughter] I'll go back and look at it. The first one did say when. So, whoever that was, get in touch with me. Arizona girl, you'll be the backup if that person doesn't get in touch with me. But, whoever the first one was, we'll go back and look at it again. I'll look at the tape. Get in touch with me. We'll get it right. I'm not very good at the giveaways. I want to go back to the uh the thing here. All right. The next clip, the very next clip here. So, I've already established what I feel like is less than honorable behavior on the part of um on the part of uh um Miss Kirk so far. But I'm going to get even more detailed right here. This is this is when it starts getting interesting because now I think we have de demonstrable lies. We have things. Before it was just suspected lies. Now it's things uh that I think are demonstrable. Demonstrable. Yeah. If um if you email me and say you're the winner, I'm blocking you. And if I find out who you are, I'll block you from the show forever. Unless you're the actual winner. Only those two people and I'll figure out which one's the actual winner. And I apologize to Arizona Girl if the first one said when. And I apologize the first one if they said win. Uh like I said, we'll get it done. We'll get it right. So I'm not I'm not going to dwell on it. All right. Here is the next clip. This is what I think is the first time we can demonstrabably point to something and say they're being dishonest. Here we go. >> Surprised to learn uh and this is kind of gets into I guess us not knowing the inner workings of Turning Point USA that Rob McCoy actually does not work with Turning Point USA in any capacity whatsoever. And so him communicating as he has done like I'm the pastor, I'm this, I'm that. It's just not real. Like that is not real. And we should know that that's not real. And when he says that, call him out on that separately from Turning Point USA. I was operating under the assumption that he worked for Turning Point USA. And I said if obviously that's that's wrong. I I'm happy to correct that. But also, what were we to assume when he hit the stage at the memorial and said, "I'm America's pastor." And then had the Wikipedia updated and said, "Well, I'm assuming he had it updated because who else would do that?" that he started Turning Point USA Faith. So, I guess to be clear, we we were just wrong about that. >> Candace, don't be so fast to say you were wrong. I don't I don't know that you were wrong. I'm going to pull something up here and I I'm going to suggest maybe Erica was wrong. Once again, once again, maybe Erica was wrong. I'm seeing some people saying that the uh I'm seeing some people are saying that the the sound is is is different. over here. So, this is the staff page for TPUSA Faith. It's still up right now. This is the staff page for TPUSA faith. You see that? On the staff page, it says Rob McCoy. Rob McCoy has a passion for leading the intersection of government in the church. He's the senior pastor of God's, former mayor of uh Thousand Oaks, and the co-founder of TPUSA faith. The previous one is Charlie Kirk. And then the next one, the second person. So Charlie, if you open up the staff page, it opens to Charlie Kirk. The very next person is Rob McCoy. And then this uh uh John I can't even pronounce his last name and I'm not even going to try and then it goes to Grant Allen and Gran Rude. And so forgive Candace for thinking that appearing on the staff page. It's literally tpusafaith.comstaff. excuse her for thinking that Rob McCoy might be on the staff, especially when it calls him the c the co-founder. So, I I don't I don't understand why it is that we uh uh have to be so fast to believe everything Erica Kirk says. Why do we have to just accept everything Erica Kirk says? What have I done here? Have I lost it? I I've got to get a producer. This is getting absurd. Yeah, I've lost it. So, let me pull it back up. Um, this this won't be hard. It was it was Monday's episode, so give me just a second. This is a um this is a good uh a good explanation for um why why like small coffee shops go out of business. They try to grow faster than they uh [laughter] they have the staff to grow and all of a sudden uh they can't um they can't get it worked out. All right, pulling it back up. Going to her live. Going to eay in Nashville. Now we're back where we were. Yeah. So, now we've established that Rob McCoy is on the staff page. Now, let's get into um Superman Bones. She talked about this a bit tonight, but I want to get into uh this from a different perspective than she talked about tonight. Here she is reading Andrew's Andrew Kovvette's uh post about Charlie's titanium bones. >> So impressed. Like this is a quote, by the way. His bone was so healthy. I I want to read it. This is allegedly from a surgeon. Quote, "His bone was so healthy and the density was so so impressive that he's like the man of steel. It should have gone through and through. It likely would have killed those standing behind him, too." And we were just like I want to back that up because there's something there that is >> surgeon quote so telling his bone was so >> look right after she got done reading. So his bone was so healthy the descent the density was so great the bullet was trapped by the spine and we found the bullet just beneath the skin. Now, Erica's answer, Erica's explanation was, "We didn't authorize him to say that." He just kind of went rogue when he said that. Eh, I don't know that that's true. Because what Candace is finding out today is or what she reported today on her show is that she has a source that says no, there was actually no real bullet recovered that it was a frangible round. Well, if you know about frangible rounds entering humans, often times there's almost nothing recoverable. This is this is a problem. This right here is a real problem. And it what it what it says to me is they were lying from the very beginning. They were lying from the very beginning. And we may we may be seeing the first cracks in the fed slop team. I don't think for a second Andrew went and talked to the surgeon without anybody else from TPUSA knowing, without the COO or without Erica Kirk knowing, went and got a quote and put this up on his social media account. Not a chance. It did not happen. I refuse to believe it. It's not opinion. I just think it's fact. Now, if it turns out I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Whatever. But the bullet just beneath the skin, that's an odd thing to throw in there because at some point, Andrew, that's going to come out. So, why would he put that in there unless he was confident it was accurate? And the only way he would be confident it was accurate is if someone Erica Kirk or somebody close to her had heard from the surgeon or or Andrew had heard directly from the surgeon himself. But there's no chance he just made this up out of whole cloth, went on social media on his own and put it up not knowing how it was going to work out. There's just no way. All right. What's a frangible round? A frangible round is a round that sacrifices um power. It sacrifices power for um uh what's what's the way you say it? It it it it disintegrates on impact. So, it makes a it makes a hit and then it immediately breaks up so that it does not continue on. It it it's it's similar to how your car works. Frankly, your car is designed so that if you get in a head-on collision, the panels collapse, stuff falls off of it, it dissipates energy really quickly. That's the way your car is designed. You see this in racing all the time, indie car, Formula 1, NASCAR. When when a car hits a wall and it breaks apart and all the pieces fly off of it, that's dissipating energy. when it dissipates energy, um the the occupant experiences less trauma. It's the same thing with the bullet. But my point is on the frangible round bit, Andrew Kovette didn't make this up. Somebody told him this. Somebody told him this. Either the surgeon told him this and they're lying about the frangible round or Erica Kirk or somebody at TPUSA told him this that they had talked to the surgeon. I mean, it's just it's it's it's inconceivable to me Andrew just went off the reservation. He's a professional. He's worked in actual legitimate places. It is inconceivable to me he just ran off the reservation and decided to come up with his own statement. Now, this was an interesting quote here. This is about Brian Harpole. Brian Harpole was the security guy. He was wearing a short sleeve blue shirt. He had the black bag over him. If you're watching the stage and Charlie's facing you, Brian Harpole was off to the left. Brian Harpole was off to the left. Here is what she says about Brian Harpole's current status. Obviously, we discussed the security. I brought up Brian Harpole, this interview with Shawn Ryan, and I think we can believe Turning Point when they say that they did not approve of this. They had no idea he was going on Shawn Ryan. I think that's pretty clear. I don't believe he works there anymore. >> She doesn't believe he works there anymore. She doesn't believe he works there anymore. Why? Who told you he doesn't work there? Did Erica tell you he doesn't work there? Because I in in images I saw from Washington DC, an individual who looked remarkably like Brian Harpole was with Erica Kirk. It looked like I mean I could be wrong, but it looked like somebody who looked like Brian Harpole was there in October or November protecting Erica Kirk. So, at that point, I it looked to me at that point like he still worked there or he was still the chief contractor for TPUSA's security team. If he was fired, when? Why was there cause? Did he just decide to go somewhere else? Again, I think I think when there's an investigation like this, we're due answers, particularly when this guy has made multiple now public appearances on different podcasts. Especially when it looked like he might still have been protecting you after the date. I actually did a whole podcast on it when I discovered he was still protecting her and and it was titled like Erica Kirk is in grave danger or something or Erica Kirk is in extreme danger. So I think that's interesting. Uh we'll talk about Brian Harpole again in just a little bit because there's uh there's another Brian Harpole mention uh in this podcast. Now, this next part is without a doubt the most important part. This is without a doubt the single most important part of this. I know I said that earlier, but I was wrong. This is the most important part. It has become I'm going to pull this down so I can look you guys right in the It has become painfully obvious to me that people like Jack Basobic um I think even there was a legal expert on Fox News or something Jonathan Turley or one of those people they were like oh I mean even if a judge throws out 90% of this evidence the evidence is so strong it's so overwhelming the evidence is so incredible I've never seen evidence this strong on a murder is what? We don't have video. We don't have eyewitness testimony. We have very tenuous evidence even connecting him to a firearm at all. We have him in three different outfits in the three hours before it. As of this morning, we have him playing Wordle. Wordle, the stupid New York Times crossword puzzle game. We have him playing Wordle 13 minutes before. And again, right afterwards, we have him sending memes or or playing games with his friends like immediately after the shooting. And you guys are going to tell me the evidence is absolutely bulletproof and overwhelming. We've been operating on this impression that apparently they must know more than we do. And I've had multiple people ask me, I've addressed it on two different occasions on this show. The first time I was very insistent that Erica Kirk would not have more information than any of us have. Someone asked in a super comment uh a super Yeah. super uh a super chat. Someone asked would Erica Kirk because she's the the widow, would she have information? I said no. It'd be very unusual if they were sharing information with her. It might even be considered borderline immoral or unethical if they're sharing information with her at this stage of the investigation. But then when they kept coming out acting like she had to know something, I kind of backed off that a little bit. I said, "Hell, maybe that's not the rule in Utah. This isn't in federal court. It's in Utah state courts. Maybe they do things differently out there. It's a weird state. Be honest with you. They do a lot of weird stuff out there." And so just yesterday or or uh or Monday or Sunday, I don't remember which show, someone super chatted in again and said, "Hey, is is it possible Erica Kirk, they're sharing stuff with her?" And I kind of backed off and I said, "It would be highly irregular, but I suppose it's not unheard of. It's possible she knows more." I was starting to yield on it because of how confident they were. What I didn't realize is, "No, she's not confident. We're dealing with actual psychopaths. We're dealing with actually evil liars who are telling you they have evidence they don't have. How do I know they don't have it? Listen >> to to the exact contrary, this guy effectively said, not effectively. >> She's talking about the lawyer. Erica Kirk called her lawyer while they were together because I I I didn't realize I I clipped this so tight. Candace asked, "Do you do you have evidence Tyler Robinson did this? Do you have something we don't have publicly?" I won't tell people what it is, but just tell me what you have. Like, give me confidence that you have something and then I'll go to my audience and I'll tell them, hey, they have something. I can't tell you what it is yet. But listen, he said that they have nothing like but the affidavit. Okay? So, what you have, what we have seen is what they have. What people, what is being discussed publicly, you are this whole like non-expert problem where like, well, you don't know. It's like what you read his messages that don't have any dates on it. Tyler Robinson writing out everything and the clean alibi. That's what they have. And what he explained to me was that that's the affidavit stage. That's where that's where it's at. And then what takes place now is the investigation is ongoing, right? So right now they're looking for more information and once investigators uh they could very well have obviously footage and that is why they might feel uh that oh, we're definitely going to get this prosecution. But the reality is is they don't actually share that information with the victim. They don't share that information with Erica. They don't in this part of the process. They will not know what in investigators have discovered. This is what the lawyer told me. Until May. >> They won't know until May what the investigators have uncovered. So it's possible. One of the reasons, you know, there was a lot made about, "Oh, Tyler Robinson didn't look like he was terrified. What a monster." When he was in court, he was smiling and laughing. Yeah, he may be talking to his lawyers who have information you don't have. And his lawyers may be saying, "Hey, Tyler, they don't have anything. It really starting to look like you didn't do this. It's really starting to look like you played a very minor role. There's video of you all over town. They don't even have you on campus. They don't have you pulling the trigger. They don't have you taking the shot. They don't have you on the roof. I mean, we have no idea what they have. [snorts] And this is a real problem for their entire this is a real problem for their entire position. For every one of the people at TPUSA, for all of the mainstream narrative people, this is a giant problem that they're facing. a giant problem because it exposes that they're lying to you. The only thing they have is the charging affidavit. They keep talking about how much evidence they have. You know what the charging document is not? You want me to let you in on a little legal secret? You know what the charging document is not? Does anyone want to take a guess? They tell you about all the evidence they have and how all the evidence points to Tyler Robinson. leading me to believe that Tyler Robinson might have done it. I mean, I look at this, I'm like, gosh, they might have evidence. We don't have You know what? They don't have evidence. They don't have evidence. They don't have anything at all tying him to the crime. They don't have any sworn testimony. They have no evidence. What they have is an officer's impression based on the things he saw that day or the couple of days after. That's all he had. That's all they have. A single officer's impression. That means that he's more likely than not the person who did it in his estimation. That's all they have. That's the standard of that charging document. It's not evidence. The evidence will be put forth at a probable cause hearing and even that is not necessarily admissible evidence. All right. Someone asked me why I wipe my nose so much. I have to run the heat in the winter and my no I my nose gets so dry. This may disgust you. My nose gets so dry it actually bleeds uh when I run the heat. I hate heat. Uh I always try to keep people to put it down. All right. So, let me show you um what I think is evidence that that that the investigation into Tyler Robinson is not going as planned. Again, this is the defense lawyer and me thinking about what she's saying here more than just news commentator me. So, I want you to to to listen to this from I want you to listen to what she says. This is just a 30 second clip, but after she says it, I want to tell you what the defense lawyer in me hears when I hear this. people to shoot guns at a range. He knows guns. Okay. He saw uh he said what he saw was a smaller gun. He said that this person uh was dressed in black tactical gear and there was no recoil. That's devastating to that would be devastating to the prosecution. And yet investigators haven't reached out. Now they offered back. Well, maybe they haven't reached out because they have an even clearer video where he and that's that's true. That's actually a good rebuttal. like we don't even have to talk with this guy because the video will speak for itself and we saw we saw what we saw. >> That's actually um I'm not blaming Candace's instinct here by saying, "Hey, that sounds like a good rebuttal." It's actually terrible rebuttal. That's actually a terrible rebuttal. We saw what that video looked like. We saw what the video looked like. Tyler Robinson or whoever is on that roof is going to look that small on that video. He's going to look that small. It's going to look like four atoms stacked on top of each other. And then he's going to run out over to the far edge away from the video. You're not going to be able to see what kind of gun he has. You're not going to be able to see the gunshot be fired. You know how I'm confident of this? You would have seen it already. They don't have it. They don't have it. And if that's all the prosecution puts on on their ch case and chief, you know what the defense could do? The defense brings up this firearms expert who's now a who's now a uh um just a witness. They bring they're not they don't even have to ask him hypotheticals. I mean he's a fact witness. He's not an expert witness but he is expert qualifications and you would probably as the defense lawyer run through all his qualifications. So you you you teach firearm training. Tell me about that. How long have you been doing that? Oh. Oh. So, you're familiar with these types of rifles you've shot. And tell me about how you recognize them from a distance. How can you tell the difference? Is it the profile? How what what is it you see? And when you were there that day, what did you see? What when was the first time you noticed someone on the roof? And where did he go? He went from where to where? Okay. Okay. And what was he wearing? Oh. Oh, interesting. Tactical. And how do you know it's tactical gear? How do you know what tactical gear is? Oh, I was in the military. I did this. I do all this training. Oh, interesting. Interesting. Interesting. And you saw it. You were closer obviously than that camera way over there on the ROC building on the other side of the thing. And you're and you're looking with your own eyes. And you say there was no recoil. You're familiar with a Mouser 98, right? A World War I era rifle with a stock and no springs that's bolt-loaded. You You're familiar with that, right? Yeah. It feels like a cannon when you shoot it, doesn't it? and it kicks you backwards. That didn't happen. No, it's actually phenomenal evidence for Tyler Robinson. I am stunned that Tyler Robinson's defense team has not reached out to that guy. I think it's it's bordering on legal malpractice to have not reached out to that guy. That could be your best witness. That could be your best witness. So, I don't want to hear about, hey, maybe they have better footage. if they have better footage. Guess what? I'm still putting expert up because I don't I mean it's AI world. I don't know what's in there. I know what experts saw. I know what the experts saw. And that's I mean I'm just telling you Candace is dismissing this awfully quickly at Erica's insistence. Oh. Uh, maybe they have better foot. Hey, they might have better footage. It's irrelevant to why that is so important. All right, I need to show This is a This is going to be a little bit longer clip and it's going to necessitate a couple of things here. Um, what we're going to set up here is Mikey McCoy's call log. We've been asking for this and we finally have it. She got it from Erica Kirk. And once again, I feel like Candace Good CPPed it a little bit. I'm not going to good cop it. I'm going to lose my freaking mind here in a minute. I'm gonna absolutely lose my mind. I'm going to do my best to not say foul words. I'm going to do my best to not call people names. I'm going to leave all old cartoons out of it, including Barney Rubble and his crew. But I want to play this because I think it is a an important setup to to what we're about to talk about >> happened because I don't think Blake has that great of a memory. Okay, take a listen. >> So, I was not with Mikey im or I don't remember being with him. I think I was ahead of him as we left. And then we get out and I run for must have can't have been more than 15 or 20 seconds. And then I realize there hasn't been another shot. So the shooter is likely been detained or stopped or something. Not in immediate danger. I pause. I look around me and I see Mikey. And I see Mikey there. And I'll never truthfully I will never forget what I saw because I've seen Mikey almost every day for the past two years. Uh I know his personality very well. He's a very bubbly guy. He's a very happy guy almost all of the time. And I'll never forget what I saw because it was clear in the moment that he was profoundly freaked out. What I'll always remember is the way his his lip was quivering, which I'd never seen before. And you you very rarely see from someone that he was freaking out. And then I think he literally said to me, I I might be imagining this, but I think what he literally said was he's and then he was looking around and then he says, "I I need to call Erica." And he then he takes his phone and he begins calling Erica. >> And I don't want to disclose how that call unfolded, but he did that this you know your mind extends all of this but that is happening within a minute of all of this occurring. I remember he calls Erica >> I around the same time I pull out my phone and I call my mom just to say, "Mom, there's been a shooting. You're going to see it on the news. I'm okay. You know, pray for me. I've got to go." And I remember that call and around the time I I put that phone away and then he immediately calls his dad. He calls Robin McCoy and he says, "Dad, someone shot Charlie. You need to call all of your pastor friends. Charlie was hit. We need everyone to pray right now." And that's what he told him. All right. I want to pull up a clip from uh a show we did not terribly long ago. Let me see if I can find it here. Again, if I had a producer, it would pop right up on the screen. It would be just amazing. Everybody would go, "Wow, he's so fast. Look how prepared he is." Um, but you know, you get what you get. All right. Here is a clip from a show we did on December 4th. Here's a clip we did uh December 4th. And what is it called? There it is. Here we go. It was just It's you know that one of those moments that'll crystallize in your mind forever. You know >> ah it'll crystallize in your mind forever. You know what that means? Your story's not going to change. That's what that mean. That's literally what that means. Crystals don't change their shape. Crystals don't change their shape. It's going to cris. It's one of those moments that'll crystallize in your mind forever. Therefore, Jack, everything I'm about to tell you is what happened. And my story will never change. Well, until Mikey needs an alibi, then it'll change. And then once I get caught lying in Mikey's alibi, then I'm going to sabotage Candace with a dishonest, underhanded leftist trick. Pull the rug out from under her. But after that, we're all going to win some souls for Jesus. It's going TO BE NICE. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE HEAVEN crowded after we get done lying all the time. So, he was 10 feet away. Pick it up, Mikey. Take it away. >> Oh, you hear that? The pop and it's not completely clear immediately what it is. Uh, but then I I looked to my right and I saw immediately what it was and >> I'll never forget it. >> So, he'll never forget it. It's crystallized in his mind. Tell me more about what happened immediately after it. >> No. And was there was there a thought I mean obviously Charlie's got great security that um that I know got what got to him immediately. These guys are incredibly well trained. I know Dan. I know I know everybody. I know the whole team. And um I'm sure they got him the medical attention immediately that he needed. got him where he, you know, to higher medical uh facilities at the hospital and, you know, shot uh we all immediately saw what had happened. You were correct. The security got him immediately, got him into the car immediately, got him out immediately. They could not have done their job on that front any better. >> All right. He's about to tell us what he did. Now, remember in the clip we just watched a few minutes ago, we had a quivering lip. He was stopping and pausing and looking at Mikey. They were making phone calls together. Take it away, Blake. >> Uh, and then at that point it was, you know, what do we do? And I know on my end, uh, I think the first thing I did was I sent a message to uh I I opened Telegram and I went to our turning point thing and I said, "Lockdown turning point." I imagine they'd already seen it at two, but I just said, "Lock it down. Tony happened to do it right ASAP. >> Well, that's a new fact. That's a new fact. You left that fact out of your retelling of it when you're rehabbing Mikey. Well, that's a new fact. So, you didn't, as you told us in the previous clip, you didn't turn and immediately run. I mean, I have video of you, Blake, at Blake neck speed. I mean, cooking out of there. You remember when you hit that old gal with the jab step behind the stage? I have the video. Do you need me to play it? When did you send this thing? You tell. >> And then I'll be honest. I I called my mom cuz I didn't know. >> NOW, NOW WAIT A DARN TOOTIN MINUTE, YOUNG BLANK. Where is the quivering lip? Where is the He called Erica. I called my mom after he called at the same time he called Erica. Where when DID ALL THIS HAPPEN? WHERE IS young Mikey? YOU WERE HIS ALIBI WITNESS. You were the one that cleared HIS NAME WHEN SAM Parker put on Facebook based Sam Parker when based Sam Parker put on Facebook or put on X rather the video of Mikey looking horrifically suspicious walking away like this. NO, NO, NO, NO. They they hollow Blake Nef out. Gaslight Blake. G Blake a light. Hey, Blake a light anyone. Roll him out. He'll he'll he'll make up any story. And he gets out there. Oh, no, no, no, no. See, they had this they kind of funneled and and you had to you had to get out of there and it was crowded and by the time I could figure out where I was and then I I look and I see Mikey and his lip is just a quivering. I had never seen him that way. He's normally such a bubbly guy, happy, smiley Mikey. It's crystallized in your mind. Blake, you just told me that it's crystallized in your mind. >> I think the first thing I did was I sent a message to uh I I opened Telegram and I went to our turning point thing and I said, "Lockdown turning point." I imagined they'd already seen it at two, but I just said, "Lock it down." Something happened. Do it right ASAP. And then I'll be honest, I called my mom because I didn't know if there would be anyone else out there if anything else would happen. So, I just called my mom and said immediately, "I can't say more, but mom, Charlie got shot. Uh, I love you. I have to go." And then from there, uh, I met up with some other members of the team. Uh, we got to the hospital within, I'd say, about 25 minutes or so. You're just So, here So, here here's my point. I I I don't have to play any more of this. He's now got two different stories. Story one. The story I just played you was the day after Charlie Kirk was neutralized. September 11th of this year. He didn't mention Mikey's name once. There was no quivering lip. There was no bubbly Mikey. You know, Mikey's normally a bubbly guy. He's always happy. None of that. We didn't get a bubbly lip or a quivering lip. We didn't get a bubbly Mikey. We got nothing. We just got Blake sent a text on Telegram to for some reason to lock down TPUSA. I still don't quite understand that one. And then we got the rehab that Mikey needed. Mikey now all of a sudden needed an alibi for why he walked off immediately like this within 800 milliseconds within 8/10 of a second. Now we get Now we roll old Blake out. Blake, you're full of Well, you you you'll say anything here. You go tell them that you were there with Mikey the whole time and you met up with him and his lip was quivering and then he was then he became steely General McCoy. You go tell them that. Now we're going to get another version. yet another version of Mikey McCoy. And it just becomes obvious to me these guys are just liars. They just do not tell the truth because here is allegedly the call log. This allegedly is the Mikey McCoy call log. Charlie Kirk is shot at 12:23. the minute later, and keep in mind, he was shot like late into 1223. One minute later, he's on the phone with his wife, not not Erica, his wife. They're on the phone for two minutes before he calls Erica. And he doesn't call Erica, he adds Erica to a three-way call. You have to tell someone their husband just got killed. You're doing it on three-way. You're doing it on three-way. And you only talk to her for two minutes, less than two minutes, and then you for some reason go back to talking to your wife for 2 minutes. And then you call Rob McCoy, your dad, and you talk to him for 2 minutes. And then you go back to talking to your wife for another 2 minutes. So in this 10 minutes that we were originally told was 90 seconds, this whole thing must have taken place in 90 seconds. That's what Blake Nef told us the first time. This whole thing must have taken place in 90 seconds. He immediately calls Erica. He immediately calls his his dad. Some point he calls his wife. This whole thing took place in uh 90 seconds. Well, no, it took place in 10 minutes. There was a three-way phone call. And your original story was you weren't with him, that you met up with some members of the team later. And I'm just here to say like that's not a that is not a distinction that you would accidentally make, Blake. You wouldn't accidentally think all of this took place in 90 seconds and that you were standing right there with him. If it took place over 10 minutes and involved multiple three-way phone calls, I know how those work. You got to say, "Hold on a second. I need to add someone to the call. Hang on just a second." And then you go to your phone and you pull up the screen and you hit add call. And then you have to go through your contacts and find them. And then you have to click it. And then you have to let it ring. Then you have to hit merge call. Then you say, "Are you both there? Can you Are you both there?" "Okay." Yeah, you're both there. Hey, guess what happened? Your husband just got smoked. Yeah. Bye. Okay. And then you got to hang up and you got to say, "Okay, let me merge in my dad." Do the whole thing again. And then you got to pick it up and say, "Hey, uh, you know the guy I work for? Yeah. your your your congregant allegedly who's only been there four times in his life. Yeah, he just got smoked. Hey, okay, I got to go. And then you got to talk to your wife. It just doesn't add up. And it doesn't add up because they are lying. They are lying. I know she's trying to good cop this. I know she's allowing her good friend's grieving widow to save face. I get that. I am not. I am not I don't believe they're being honest. Now, that's an opinion. I'm open to change. I'm not saying it's factual. What I'm saying, what I'm saying is it sure looks that way to me. And if they want to change my mind, I need to see some actual records. I don't need to see a print out on YouTube. I need to see the Verizon records. I don't even need to see his his phone record. Like, I don't need to see his actual phone. I need to see the Verizon phone records or AT&T. Surely he's not on T-Mobile. I mean, they they fly on Golf Fives. Gulf Stream fives. They don't they're not on T-Mobile. Come on, guys. What? You think they got cricket? No. No. These people are on Verizon. All right. Next. We've got to get to the Egyptian planes. Uh, this is only a 15 or a 17 second clip here. >> What do we fifth round debunk these planes? I also want to say to you that I feel very confident that I know why these planes have caused such panic and it is because there is overwhelming evidence that these planes regularly fly in and out of Israel. >> These planes regularly fly in and out of Israel. Candace says, "I tend to agree with her. In fact, I agree with her so much. Um, I said this on a podcast 14 days ago today on December 3rd. Uh, what's the title of this one?" TPUSA tries to savage. So, I said this on a podcast on December 3rd. >> I got an email And I have agreed to keep this person confidential. >> I'm in the same email about these Egyptian planes. I was watching a live stream um Oh, I see someone said he's there. Good. You're going to want to see this, Ian. I was watching one of Ian's live streams and he's covering these Egyptian planes and he realizes, hey, the times don't match up. like they say they're flying to Cairo and then they turn the the uh transponders off or they lose they lose um they lose contact for some reason and then the the the times are all off. You're going to love this. So there's a little intro when we fly in and out of Israel. What Israel? You say? Why? I thought we were talking about Cairo. This is this is a part of a back and forth email. When we fly out in and out of Israel, the United States Air Force uses Cairo as their cover location for all sensitive ops, even regionally like out of Qatar. So they file the flight plan to Cairo, turn off transponders, and then actually fly in and out of Nevatim Air Force Base. Nev A tim Nevatim Air Force Base that is in Israel. If they turn off the ADSB then fly to Nevatim then fly onto Cairo and turn the transponder back on in Egyptian airspace flight tracking software will fill in the gaps without registering the Israel stop and it will look like they are just on a direct flight to Cairo. For almost every sensitive cargo mission, the USAF uses Nevitam Air Force Base, which is always a blackout on comms. Okay, so this is I agree with Candace here. I agree with it so much I reported it two weeks ago. I I think she's 100% on to something here and I look forward to her coverage of this issue. I want to see what else she has because what I had was a pilot who used to do this. I had a pilot who used to do this email and say, "Hey, here's how we did it." We would file a flight plan to Cairo. We would turn the transponder off, go to Nevatum Air Force Base, do whatever we needed to do there, whether it was drop off cargo, pick up people, we would fly back into Cairo airspace, and then turn our transponder back on. Nobody would notice. And so that is um confirmation that uh the reporting on this program has been pretty good. Confirmation has been pretty good. Now I want to fast forward and this one's going to take a little nuance here. Um because on the Charlie Kirk show or not Charlie Kirk. Yeah. On the Charlie Kirk show. Um they had Viva Frey and and Blake Nef who I I don't know how Blake Nef can continue to work at TPUSA. I I don't want him to get fired. I genuinely don't. Um but I I think it's a problem. Like I think he's a deeply dishonest individual and and it and it bothers me because I don't think he's just stupid. Tucker Carlson said he's one of the brightest people he's ever met. So if he's one of the brightest people that he's ever met, then his three different stories have to be calculated, you would think. But here's what they say real quickly. Here's what they say about a certain video that they're going to start to cover. >> People say it doesn't sound right. Doesn't sound right. Well, there is a video that I want everybody to check out uh by Turkey Tom. I believe you've watched it now, Viva, where and this has been authenticated as somebody who was in the Discord chats with them and apparently spent time with them at this apartment and he said 100% this is how they talked. Okay, so to set this up, they're talking about the text messages not sounding believable, and they reference a Turkey Tom video that they're going to cover. Well, wouldn't you know it, we've covered that video on this program. Yes, yes, yes. The Candace Show today covered a lot that we've covered over the last few months. We covered the turkey time video on this program. Let me show you my impression of the Turkey Tom video. This is a show, if you guys have not seen this, this is a show from October 26th. For those of you who are new, you might want to go back and watch the whole Baron Coleman podcast archives. Shoot, I forgot to share it. [laughter] Guys, I can't believe anyone watches this show. How on earth do you guys watch this show with all these mistakes? This is just total amateur hour. All right, just to set the set it up a little better, there's this video called Turkey Tom. Turkey Tom is a guy. He's a cool guy. There's nothing wrong with him, but he totally got played by a Fed. He totally got played by a Fed. And this guy contacted him and the whole video was a Fed playing Turkey Tom trying to get out there and in front of this idea that these uh text messages weren't real. And the whole video, the whole Turkey Tom video is absolutely ludicrous. Here's how here's here was my impression just 3 minutes into it. >> Only what are we we're uh uh 3 minutes and 20 seconds in. I watched this and and here's the thing. I listened to to uh the description of the video and I thought, man, this has a lot of really good information in it. I need to watch this video. I get 3 minutes and 20 seconds in and my notes over here say, "Okay, guaranteed Fed. What's next?" That's what's in my notes. 3 minutes and 20 seconds in. Uh, he goes on to say, "Lance is crazy at this point. Tyler's normal." All right, I don't have to go through the whole show. If you want to see why I say that, uh, Turkey Toms was talking to a fed. Go back and watch it. Go back and watch that episode. It It's titled More Mikey McCoy Angles. I think it's number eight. It's October uh October 26th. I dissect it and nobody has ever watched that episode, walked away thinking Turkey was talking to anybody but a Fed. But apparently consistent with Fed slopping and giving sloppy Fed jobs. This is what the Charlie Kirk show plans to cover. This is what the Charlie Kirk show plans to cover. The Turkey Tom video that we so thoroughly debunked. It was disgustingly offed. And if you watch it, you will not have any other conclusion. Even the picture, guys, they took pictures of the of of Lance Twig's journal. That ain't a friend. No friend of mine has ever gone into my journal and taken pictures. Nor have I ever gone into a friend's journal and taken pictures. You know who takes pictures of journals? Feds. Feds take pictures of journals. They take pictures of journals after a high-profile killing. That's when they take pictures of journals. There's no people in any of these pictures. Like if you're taking pictures at a friend's house and and you're saying, "Hey, we're playing a little Magic the Gathering and then we're going to play some video." Someone's going to be in the picture. Instead, all that's in the Turkey thing, the supposed proof that this guy, all that's in there is a few Discord chats, which the feds would have had access to. So, showing access to the Fed Discord after this murder is not evidence that it was one of the tra the trans furries. That's not that's not evidence it was one of them. It's not evidence it was one of the Magic the Gathering players. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The fact that they were in the Discord chat is even more likely it's a Fed. The fact that they took pictures of the journal is even more likely a Fed. And the pictures are like from above. It's not It's not like he he grabbed his phone and had the journal out here and was just like taking ch pictures, which would be weird enough as it is. That would be weird enough. But it's like they stood up over the thing and they and they took the pictures like this chick just LIKE THE FEDS TAKE PICTURES. [laughter] But there's the Charlie Kirk show going, "Oh yeah, I mean it sounds right to me." You know, they have a friend who said they talk like this. They're sitting around like Carrie Grant and Humphrey Bogart. I can't I can't even believe I I I refuse to believe that Andrew Kovette and Blake Nef are like a sub65 IQ. I just can't believe it. But that's what it would require to watch the the turkey time video and go, "Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100% believe that, guys. Guys, I DEBUNKED THAT THREE MONTHS AGO. Please put me on an episode with these people. I will bad cop them to death. They'll never recover. They'll never recover." All right. Let's get back to it. Here is a clip where they're talking about um this is the same people. Someone said it's Viva Fry. I've heard Viva Fry. I know Fry is German for free. I get that. Uh and Viva I think is Spanish for live. So live free. I don't know why he's mixing. Maybe he's got mixed heritage. One Spanish parent, one German parent. I don't know. I don't know why he goes by that. I actually find him hugely entertaining. I think he's an excellent broadcaster. Um, I've watched some of his stuff. I don't watch him regularly, but I have watched some of his stuff, and every time this guy does a show, it's top-notch. It's phenomenal. He's a great broadcaster. He's also not stupid. But here is his explanation for the George Zen showing up at the scene. And when I saw this, I thought, VIVA, GO ONE STEP FURTHER. GO ONE STEP FURTHER. Here's his explanation for George Sin. George Zen showing up at the scene and claiming credit. >> The absence of total disclosure, the total lack of faith that anybody has, not just in the FBI, per se, but in any state law enforcement. Nobody has a nobody has any faith. I think I went past it. Dad gum it. I I swear you people are going to think I I have an IQ of 65. You remember the old man George Zinn arrested for claiming to be the shooter the day of and then gets busted for CP on his phone. Like I in my mind, if I'm making a plausible theory here, George Zinn was probably on some Discord chat with a bunch of young perverts and he's an old pervert and he's getting off doing whatever they do on those chats. He knows what's going down. He shows up there and thinks he's going to be some useful decoy or distraction for Tyler Robinson because they know what's going down. Did you catch that? He just outlined how people become psies. He suggested that this thing might have started with a bunch of people looking at dirty pictures of kids and seeing how they were looking at dirty pictures of kids. Who sometimes shows up in those in those chats? Feds. Feds. That's who That's who shows up in the chats of of creeps and perverts looking at dirty pictures of kids. Feds. That is how they get psies. Would you like to go to prison for having what what Viva Fry called CP on your phone? Dirty pictures of kids. Or would you like to go to prison for an accomplice to a murder? It's your call. You're going to prison. You can either go in there with a bunch of people who hate people who abuse children and will tell them you abuse children or you can go in there with a bunch of murderers acting as an accomplice to murder. It's your call. Which would you prefer? If so, if you prefer the latter, then by all means, here's how we cooperate. That I mean, Viva Fry is is outlining one of the ways paths are developed. and George Zen. He's suggesting George Zinn was in on the operation. And the THE THE WORST PART is he doesn't sense the irony. He doesn't understand the irony of what he's saying. Or he does, which would be even worse. Or he does. One of those is true. I don't mind being the bad cop. I don't mind being Candace's bad cop. She can be the good cop. She can let Erica save face. She can try to make friends with these people. I mean, she knows them personally. Like, she knows Andrew Kovette. I understand why she doesn't want to savage him. I'm telling you right now, he is either a liar or he is covering for liars. Period. End of story. Andrew, you indicate you've watched this program. You're better than that. You're better than that. It's not who you are. It's not how you were raised. I know you a