Ben Shapiro Attacks Conservative Figures at Turning Point USA After Charlie Kirk Memorial Sparks Massive Backlash

So when Candace Owen says, "I don't know." No, but I know that is and we are all more for having heard it. [cheering] Kenneth Owens was a big part of the reason why Daily Wire has been emerging money and losing subscribers. Her leaving Daily Wire really hurt them financially. So Ben absolutely has an axe to grind with her. This is personal with him, dude. 100% personal. >> I am done with it. This one is so fully off of the mother effing plantation. Truly, Ben Shapiro, [ __ ] you and the [ __ ] horse that you rode in on. >> Thank you so much. Thank you so much. It's obviously a massive honor to be here at Turning Point USA. It's even more of an honor to follow Erica Kirk, a heroic figure and a true American patriot. [cheering] >> [applause] >> I really believe that the best way to judge a goodness of a man is to see the goodness of his wife and his children. And on that measure, Charlie was unsurpassed. Erica and her children are in all of our hearts. And of course, this is an incredibly bittersweet moment. It's absolutely bitter because of the murder of our friend Charlie Kirk, an irreplaceable human being. I knew Charlie from the time he was 18 years old. And I watched him build himself into one of the most powerful exponents of conservatism in America. One of the most powerful coalition builders in American history. But it's also sweet to see the number of people who >> we're going to fast forward uh some of the cuz he's going to, you know, obviously glaze a little bit and then get into his thing. >> Innovation and grievance. These people are fraud. >> And his speech is called truth over cowardice and grifting. >> And they are grifters and they do not deserve your time. informationational environment rife with both opportunity and chaos. Opportunity because the legacy media gatekeepers are no longer in charge of what we see and what we hear and chaos because an anarchcticformational environment means we actually have to be smart in how we assess the information and arguments that we hear. Why does that matter? Well, because today the conservative movement is in serious danger. It is >> Yeah. Serious danger because people are realizing uh that Jews run America. in danger, not just from a left that all too frequently excuses everything up to and including murder. The conservative movement is also in danger from charlatans who claim to speak in the name of principle but actually traffic in conspiracism and dishonesty who offer nothing but bile and despair who seek to undermine fundamental principles of conservatism by championing innovation and grievance. These people are frauds and they are grifters and they do not deserve your time. And they are something worse than that. A danger to the only movement capable of stopping the left from wrecking the country wholesale. So today I want to discuss five obligations that people who speak to you on matters of importance have to you. I want to speak to you about our duties. Our first duty is truth. We owe you the truth. That means we should not mislead you. It means we shouldn't hide the ball. We shouldn't be deliberately obscure about what we're telling you. We have an obligation to clarity and to honesty. This [clears throat] means that we actually have to be clear in the language that we use. We should not traffic in generality. We should not say things like they shot Charlie without specifying whom we mean by they. The person who allegedly shot Charlie Kirk and whom all the evidence points at, all of it is a gay transloving furry. >> [applause] >> Well, we don't know that yet, but of course, he's going to try to do everything to make sure that Israel is not at the crosshairs whatsoever. If we are going to target ideological movements, we should talk about the fact that the radical trans movement treats all those who oppose it as existential threats. Or if we're going to talk about the Democratic party making room for the radical trans movement and echoing its inflammatory rhetoric, well, we should talk about that. Those are specific problems and they require specific responses. When people say they shot Charlie, however, they are instead trafficking in vagory that results in increased hatred without proposing any effective response. They are fostering despair and >> translation. I don't like that Candace Owens, Blumenthal, Ian Carol, and others believe there might be some Israeli involvement in this >> rage and that makes things worse. We must also be honest about what people say and do, regardless of what that means coalitionally. It is the job of politicians to build coalitions. It's the job of those of us who try to shape public opinion to hold politicians to account and to hold them accountable to our values. We must not let fear of audience deter us from telling the truth. We must not let fear of other hosts deter us from telling the truth. So, for example, if Candace Owens decides to spend, >> of course, here we go. >> Every day since the murder of Charlie Curry. [cheering] >> Knew that was coming. >> [applause] >> So if Candace Owens decides to spend every day since the murder of Charlie Kirk casting at TPUSA and the people who work here who worked with Charlie every single day his best friends to cast dispersions at Mikey McCoy and Andrew Kovvin and Blake Nef and Tyler Ber and yes at Erica Kirk and to imply or outright claim complicity in a cover up over Charlie's murder to spew absolutely baseless crash implicating everyone from French intelligence to MSAD to members of TPUSA in Charlie's murder or a cover up in that murder, then we as people with a microphone have a moral obligation to call that out by name. [cheering] >> [applause] >> Erica Kirk and TPUSA never never should have put in never should have been put in the position to have to defend themselves against such specious and evil attacks particularly in a time of mourning [applause] and the people who refuse to condemn Candace's truly vicious attacks and some of them are speaking here are guilty of cowardice. Yes, cowardice. [cheering] >> Um, well, no, because you need to allow people to ask questions even if they're difficult or seem inappropriate. You know what I mean? But Ben Shapiro has an axe to grind with Candace and he and he has had one for a very long time. It's a few years now at this point. [cheering and applause] The fact that they have said nothing while Candace has been vomiting all sorts of hideous and conspiratorial nonsense into the public square for years is just as cowardly. [cheering] [applause] Second, because we owe you the truth, we owe you the duty to speak out of principle, not personal feeling. It should not matter whether we despise someone or whether we love someone. The question is what they say and what they do and whether those things are morally decent or not. On a political level, do they foster freedom, justice, and prosperity? On a personal level, do they treat others as they would wish to be treated? Personal feeling is not a substitute for moral judgment. To take again the Candace Owen situation as an example, friendship with public figures who say or do evil things is not an excuse for silence on the matter. Politics is not the sisterhood of the traveling pants. Politics is about principle. And if you are willing to sacrifice basic truth and simple principle in favor of emotional solidarity, you have betrayed your fundamental duty to the American people. It's generally untrue. Some people do that. Most of us don't. We see each other at conferences and we talk on the phone and all the rest. We're business colleagues. But even if it were true that other public figures were our best friends, our very best friends, that does not relieve us of our duty to speak out of principle and not to cover up evil or shy away from addressing it out of friendship. [applause] >> So no, Tucker Carlson, it is not an excuse to go silent on Candace's targeting of TPUSA. >> And just so you guys know, Ben Shapiro was the first speaker. He was the first speaker at Turning Point USA. So, uh, this is why they're like, "Oh [ __ ] shots fired." Or to mirror her bull lines of questioning because you love Candace personally. The same holds true of Megan Kelly, a person I consider a friend, characterizing Candace as a young mother and thus shying away from condemning her actions or fing about them. That is a non-starter. Meghan Markle is a young mother. Ilhan Omar is a young mother. That doesn't matter. And when Megan said this week, quote, "My goal and my job here is to try to understand, yes, where Candace is coming from on this and says she sees no purpose in inserting herself, quote, into this on one side, that is a moral and logical absurdity. There is only one moral side here, Erica Kirk's side. [cheering] >> [applause] >> You know, the side of the widow with two children whose husband was shot live on camera in front of all of us. Friendship with the person accusing TPUSA of a cover up of Charlie's murder is no excuse for cowardice. [applause] Third, and relatedly, we have a duty to take responsibility for what we say and do. If we hire awful people, we're responsible for that. I have some experience there, as you might suspect. That means that if we offer a guest for your viewing, we owe it to you to ask the kinds of questions that actually get at the truth. If we agree with a >> Yeah, like when you have Netanyahu on, you don't ask him nothing tough, but that's fine. >> Yes, that's fine, right? >> We should own it. So, for example, if you host a Hitler apologist, not >> Here we go. Knew he was going to mention Nick now, too. >> Loving anti-American piece of refugees like Nick Fuentes. It's so crazy how Ben did everything in his power to never mention Nick, but now he mentions him all the time. It's actually surreal to see like all this like play out real time. Never thought I'd see the day. >> You know the Nick Fuentes who said that the vice president of the United States is a quote fat gay race trader married to a Jeep. >> Kind of true though. He is fat and gay. I don't I don't I I don't He did some weird [ __ ] with Peter Teal. Gay dudes don't give you that kind of money if you ain't doing some weird [ __ ] man. And he is married to. So, I don't know what the problem is. It's all true. >> The person who said that Charlie Kirk was a quote [ __ ] idiot. The person who said, and pardon my language here, it's his quote, that he quote took Turning Point USA and it is filled with gripers. >> Uh, I like how he's kind of mischaracterizing this. Nick said all this stuff when Charlie was alive. Let's be clear about this. He didn't say any of this stuff after he passed away. him and Charlie were um huge rivals. So for Ben Shapiro to put this out in a way where he's trying to insinuate that um Nick did this while Charlie was alive um is very disingenuous because it assumes that he said uh sorry when after he passed away cuz he's uh saying it in a manner where it's like people might interpret it as oh he said all these deplorable things but he said all these things before he died. After he died he hasn't said any of this stuff. He has said anything negative about Charlie. He doesn't even talk about him. Honestly, >> if you have that person on your show and you proceed to glaze him, you ought to own it. [applause] [cheering] >> Like how you bring Benjamin Netanyahu on who is responsible for literally the killing of tens of thousands of people, hundreds of thousands of people, but you don't ask him any tough questions. So, you're more mad about a guy that makes jokes and insults over a guy that's a legitimate war criminal. And this is why no one takes Ben Shapiro seriously anymore. >> [cheering] >> You literally uh support a genocidal regime, bro. And you're over here mad at political commentators in America. >> There is a reason that Charlie Kirk despised Nick Fuentes and indeed even chided Desh Drauza for debating him. He knew that Nick Fuentes is >> Yep. He was blackball him >> is an evil troll and that building him up is an act of moral imbeicility. And that is precisely what Tucker Carlson did. He built Nick Fuentes up and he ought to take responsibility for that just as he ought to take responsibility for glazing pornographer and alleged sex trafficker Andrew Tate or for mainstreaming fake historian and pseudo Nazi apologist Daryl Cooper. >> Bren's letting it all out now. He's pissed, huh? >> As America's best and most honest popular historian, hosts are indeed responsible for the guests they choose and the questions they ask those guests. [cheering] >> [applause] >> Fourth, because we have a duty to truth, we also have a duty to provide you with evidence of the claims that we make. Emotive accusations, conspiracy theories, and just asking questions. That's lazy and stupid and misleading. None of them are a substitute for truth. None of them are a substitute for evidence. So when Candace Owen says, "I don't know. know, but I know that is [ __ ] and we are all more [ __ ] for having heard it. [cheering] [applause] When Steve Bannon, for example, accuses his foreign policy opponents of loyalty to a foreign country, he's not actually making an argument based in evidence. >> Steve Bannon got in this fight, too. He's simply maligning people that he disagrees with, which is indeed part for the course from a man who was once a PR flag for Jeffrey Epstein, >> who's also a that's friends with your guy Allan Derswitz. Like, bro, what do you Come on, man. What What are you trying to say here? >> Check the record. Our duty to provide you evidence means we actually have to do much more than just ask questions. Just asking questions is something my 5-year-old does, and it's really cute when it comes from my 5-year-old. But when grown men and women spend their days just asking questions without, you know, seeking answers, they are lying to you. In fact, they're doing something even worse. They are seeding distrust in the world around you and they are enervating you in the process. So, for example, if many speakers, including Tucker Carlson and others, get on stage here at TPUSA and claim without proper evidence that Jeffrey Epste was running a MSAD rape ring being covered up by the Trump administration. They are not actually uncovering a conspiracy or effectuating a solution. They are claiming a special providence to information they won't let you see, which builds their power and leaves you with none. They are also implicating in their speculation actual human beings, good human beings like Cash Patel and Dan Bonino and Pam Bondi and yes, the president of the United States. Even if they're too cowardly to say President Trump's name and that means you won't trust those good people in the >> Well, Ben, bro, you're never Trumper, bro. Come on, man. >> Future. You haven't gotten smarter. You've just been >> You only like Trump now because he's supporting Israel. If Trump didn't support Israel the way that he does, Ben would not [ __ ] endorse him at all. ated when forced to demonstrate their evidence. These same people >> and this is why he's getting so much heat because everyone is going to look at it like dude you're having this [ __ ] tirade. You're angry and you're talking about all this [ __ ] not because you actually have a criticism or a beef with these people. It's because you don't like the fact that they're critical of Israel and talking about that's the real issue why he's so angry about this. >> People will often refuse to provide it >> why he's delivering this speech. >> They'll claim ignorance. They'll pretend they're outside. Also guys, keep in mind that Candace Owens was a big part of the reason why Daily Wire has been hemorrhaging money and losing subscribers. Her leaving Daily Wire really hurt them financially. So Ben absolutely has ax to grind with her. This is personal with him, dude. 100% personal. >> The system and they don't have access to actual information. You know, they're just asking questions. But many of these same people have direct pipelines toformational sources. So, for example, if Tucker wants answers to his questions about, say, Jeffrey Epstein, he could call the vice president of the United States. He's quite close with him. But he won't because that might undermine the empty speculation. None of this means there aren't actual real conspiracies in the world. Of course, there are. But actual conspiracies require actual evidence. Yes, there was a Russia gay conspiracy, and we know the names of the people involved and what they did. We know Hillary Clinton and Fusion GPS and James Comey and Loretta Lynch and Adam Schiff. We know all of those people. Yes, there was a CO 19 conspiracy. We know that Anthony Fouchy worked to shut down alternative solutions from people like Jay Bodacharia. But when people posit a conspiracy and then provide you no evidence, they are doing you a fundamental disservice and they are making you stupider in the process. [cheering] [applause] Finally, because it is our job to make the lives of our audience better, right? That's really our job is to give you more information to make your lives better. We have a duty to propose solutions. That's why we have to talk about our problems in order to find the solutions. That's what politics was supposed to be about, after all, finding solutions to our common problems. If we speak endlessly about the problems we face without ever positing a solution other than wrecking the system or centralizing power in a cult-like figure, we are not finding solutions. We are merely making problems worse. Just asking questions, positing vague conspiracies, raving like Alex Jones about the secret confederacies that control your life, none of it makes your life better. None of it. In fact, it makes your life marketkedly worse. That's because if you truly come to believe that nothing in your life is in your control, you can't even take control of your own life. You despair of your ability to change your own circumstances, and then you fail. And you must not fail. >> [applause] >> Because here is the most fundamental truth of all in the United States. For all of its problems, many of which a huge number of which are real and serious, the United States is still the greatest country in the history of planet Earth. >> You're only saying that because they give money to Israel. [applause] We have the greatest constitution ever devised by man. We have the greatest founding philosophy ever put to paper in the Declaration of Independence. In this country, you can make of yourself what you will. And if there are true obstacles standing in your way, we can all work together to remove them. That, by the way, is the essence of conservatism. That we live in a world created by God with a logic and a rationale. That we as human beings were created in God's image. Because it says in the book of Genesis, with creative capacity and the power to choose, and that in a free country of limited government and defined powers, with property rights and equality under law, our destiny is in our hands, and that we all have a duty to make the most of that historic opportunity. Anyone, anyone who tries to convince you otherwise is lying to you and they are making your life worse in the process. Now, that lie may feel good in the moment. It may excuse us from taking the corrective action we can take on a personal level to fix our lives. It might give us someone else to >> Okay, so that's him taking all the shots. Now, here's Melanie Gelly's response. >> Name came up on this stage last night. >> Speaking of which, me and Jack are going viral on [ __ ] uh we're going viral right now on all the um [ __ ] on X right now. Everyone is [ __ ] losing their minds obviously for obvious reasons. >> In regards to pretty much all of this, would you like the opportunity to respond? Well, I found it kind of funny that Ben thinks he has the power to decide who gets excommunicated from the conservative movement, which shows a willful blindness about his position in it. It reminded me a little of when the girl who was the head of our middle school chorus told me she was going to take all my friends away from me. Chorus, the head cheerleader, maybe, but like um so I resent the whole thing. I object to the whole thing. Ben and I, he he he had the nerve to call me a friend right before he called me a despicable coward for not calling out the people he once called out. So, he both wants to parent me and be my child. He wants to tell me what I have to do and who I have to say what to. And then when I don't, he and some of his friends want to act like utter victims because I won't do what they say. They need me. I have to be their daddy and step in to protect them. And I am not their daddy. and I resent that he thinks he's in a position to decide who must say what to whom and when. Thank you. So I don't think we are friends anymore. >> It's kind of crazy because Megan did put Ben on years ago when he was a nobody. She did. This chick has been in media forever back on Fox News, right? Uh and here's the thing. She is a Zionist. She kind of changed her tune now. Um but yeah, >> I've been a very good friend to Ben. Nobody knew that who the heck Ben Shapiro was when I started putting him on my shows on the Fox News Channel and I helped make him a star and I've been very very good. >> That's true. >> To Ben over the years and he's been good to me too. He just recently came on my tour as did you and I gave him the most kind introduction I could possibly give him because I know that he's losing subscribers a lot. >> Bro, bad bad. [music] Daily Wire's on life support, bro. They actually had a big ass booth at Ampfest and uh bro, nobody was really [ __ ] with it, man. Nobody was really [ __ ] with it, bro. Um like I think like I saw Michael Nolles like doing something uh and nobody gave a [ __ ] dude. It's actually kind of crazy. So yeah, [clears throat] it is what it is. You know, this is this is uh this is what what what happens with um you know, when you want to go ahead and have weird double standards and be [ __ ] super gay. So anyway, back to it. And so I tried to do something nice for him by giving him a long 10-minute intro and personally vouching for him. And we mixed it up on Israel out on stage. It wasn't Israel cuz we're on the same place on Israel. >> Yeah, they're both stupid Zionists. She still is a is a [ __ ] uh you know, Zio Shill, but she is friends with Candace and Tucker, and Ben doesn't like that. >> We mixed it up over whether Tucker Carlson should be excommunicated from the conservative movement, which I do not believe. And Yeah. And it's kind of gay that Ben is so mad at her about this. Like bro, let her have her opinions, man. She could be friends with both of y'all. But like again, he is so loyal to Israel. Like he's like he will not deal with anyone that platforms or deals with Tucker or Candace. And if if you have Nick on your show, Ben Shapiro won't go. Ben Shapiro cancelled an interview with PBD because he had Nick on. Bro, that is crazy. [music] Absolutely stupid. >> When Thank you. [applause] And when it was over, we hugged, said goodbye, and then we had a nice text exchange a couple days later saying our friendship was important to us. And the next thing I saw was him attacking me on stage last night as a coward. So that's not >> cuz he was the first speaker chat. So this pissed everybody off. >> Friendship. >> No one saw that coming that he was going to do deliver that speech and attack everybody. >> Uh, and I think that's fine with me >> with friends like that. >> Your name. >> Okay, let's get on to Steve Bannon. And what Steve Bannon says, >> "Ben, I've known you a long time, brother. You can't handle the truth." Now, >> all right, now we got the good audio. I'll play it one time through no interruptions. >> Now, Benji Shapiro sat up here last night and he was all, you know, I'm going, you know, it's all about the truth. Ben, I've known you a long time, brother. You can't handle the truth. [applause] Let's face it, Ben Ben Shapiro is the farthest thing from MAGA. Let's be blunt. He is a hardcore never Trumper. He's a hardcore never Trumper. In in in the spring of uh 16, he tried to upend Breitbart. He walked off the job, made a big deal about some incident in Mara Lago with Cory Luwendowski. He tried to turn it to Ted Cruz from Donald Trump because he hated Donald Trump. In the general election, he barely supported Donald Trump. The first sign of when President Trump gets sent back to Mara Lago, the very first individual that jumped on the Ron to Santis train, the Israel first trans train was Ben Shapiro. And those are the darkest days we had in 21 and 22. You guys were there. He's consistently been against Trump. And now that President Trump doesn't back the Greater Israel Project, what is greater Israel? It's not about Israel itself. It's about an expansionist Israel, an imperial Israel that Netanyahu and that crowd have thought up. And the Israel first crowd is Ben Shapiro, Tel Aviv, Mark Levvin, and many others that want to put that ahead of America's interests. [applause] >> Bro, call them telev. All right, let's go from the beginning again, bro. Now, Benji Shapiro sat up here last night and he was all, you know, I'm going, you know, it's all about the truth, Ben. I've known you a long time, brother. You can't handle the truth. [applause] [cheering] Let's face it, Ben Ben Shapiro is the farthest thing from MAGA. Let's be >> I told you that already. He was a never Trumper. >> He is a hardcore never Trumper. He's a hardcore never Trumper. in in in the spring of uh 16, he tried to upend Breitbart. He walked off the job, made a big deal about some incident in Marlo. >> Breitbart, another uh conservative media outlet owned by Jews, by the way, >> go with Cory Lwendowski. He tried to turn it to Ted Cruz from Donald Trump because he hated Donald Trump in the general election, he barely supported Donald Trump. The first sign of when President Trump gets sent back to Mara Lago, the very first individual that jumped on the Ronda Santis train, the Israel first trans train was Ben Shapiro. And those are the darkest days we had. And Ronda Santis, just so you guys know, hardcore, you know, he's governor of Florida right now. Hardcore Zionist shell, bro. Went over to Israel to sign a [ __ ] bill against anti-semitism. Total cuck Israel. So is Marco Rubio, who's also from Florida, by the way. >> 21 and 22. You guys were there. He's consistently been against Trump. And now that President Trump doesn't back the Greater Israel Party. What is Greater Israel? It's not about Israel. >> And I like that Bannon talks about this because here's the thing about Bannon. I've described him before for you guys, but let me tell you guys like what Steve Bannon is. Steve Bannon is a guy that pays attention to the populist takes from the conservative movement. So like he's the guy that kind of lets people in MAGA know this is what's coming. This is what the base wants. Like when Trump went to war with Iran, Bannon was a very staunch critic of that and like said look, you know, President Trump there's a problem blah blah blah. Apparently he went to the White House and talked to Trump personally about striking Iran and he delayed it a day or two from you know according to Alex Jones and some others. So Bannon is in a weird he's in a very good position where he understands what the base wants more deportations, the rise of Nick Quentes, the you know uh understanding the immigration problem etc. while simultaneously having the president and the administration's ear in a roundabout fashion. Does that make sense chat? And he also is one of the few people within the MAGA core base that will challenge Israel's hedgeimonyy in the administration. He's one of the few ones which is why I have a lot of respect for him because to be in a MAGA um in the MAGA realm to be critical of Israel is a death sentence career-wise. Ben is one of the few people that does it. So, I give him a credit for that. I really do. I gota I got to do a show with him. Now, let's go into Candace's response. >> Me because we were like brother and sister, always supporting each other publicly. And then I showed you guys a few episodes ago that we found out as I was going to speak in Dallas at their YWLS convention that Ben had sent an intern was going to ask me a question while I was on stage. But we sort of rumbled this plan and I called Ben out on stage. Ben did not like that I called him out on stage. So, he began working behind the scenes to have Jewish donors start threatening Charlie to make sure that I wasn't invited to speak at year end because I wasn't an anti-semitic. This is what Charlie told me. And instead, he wanted to be invited. They're just going to purchase a friendship, right? >> Yeah. He donated a million dollars after Charlie was uh shot at Turning Point USA. And make no mistake about it, Ben and Charlie weren't friends like that. He just did it out of uh, you know, self-interest to take over what TPS has. There's a void. So he comes at Turning Point USA and this is what was divulged to me from Andrew Kovette at the time. Willing to spend an offensive amount of money to be a part of Amfest. Like I said that was told to me by Andrew Kovet directly because he wanted to say look like obviously you know we are totally Charlie's 100% on your side there. This is like an offensive ad spend. I was like take it take his money. I could care less obviously. And I knew that he was working with Barry Weiss to uh call and put an article out saying that the donors the people on the board of TPUSA want Candace gone. all of this petty behind-the-scenes behavior because I called him on a stage. Okay, so quite literally this is the definition of buying friends and influence and fame. Now, in case you're listening and thinking, is Ben Shapiro actually capable of that level of pettiness? I'm going to tell you a story about Thomas Soul. Yes, Dr. Thomas Soul of Stanford ends in 2023, shortly after October 7th. You know, Ben was sort of having another one of his open nervous breakdowns and he his audience just went kaput. people just stopped watching his podcast cuz he was screaming at Americans that we needed to prioritize Israel and people just didn't feel that way. Okay, it's not our country. I'm sorry that that happened to you, but why why do Americans need to be screamed at about what's happening in the Middle East? Uh throughout this time, Brian Mast had was wearing an IDF uniform in Congress and he basically said that there's no >> Yeah, that was a huge cut for Israel. >> No such thing as an innocent Palestinian life. And when I saw this as shared by Yashar Ali on X, I responded and I said that genocidal language, no matter who shares it, is always wrong. Genocide is always wrong is what I tweeted and this caused an emotional breakdown amongst amongst people who support Israel. I didn't think that was a controversial statement. I thought that was >> Yep. But when they run it, it is controversial unfortunately. >> Sort of what we all believed in. Genocide is always wrong. Anyways, for Ben, he then had some private event probably at another Jewish donor's house and somebody caught him standing on a table insulting me over my genocide is always wrong tweet. Take a listen to what Ben had to say. And then the question I think her behavior during this is disgraceful without [cheering] >> I think she's been absolutely disgraceful. I think I've been my f sophistication on these particular issues has been ridiculous. It's not sophistication. It's ridiculous. Everybody can see the move that she's making the things that she's saying and disrupeful. She works at my company. You can imagine that the internet went crazy because they wanted me to respond. And I remember that uh she came on our show right after that chat. And if you guys remember our show was the last show and then they that was the breaking point. They didn't like that we hit the uh Mo hit a cash register sound effect and that's what pissed Ben Shapiro off and led to the firing. That was actually the main thing. TMZ report on this >> to him. >> Crazy [ __ ] dude. Here. Actually, I'll show you guys. >> Can't believe this. They work together. They're colleagues. Somehow this gets leaked. And I want to mention because it's very relevant that that was on the morning of November 14th. I was 6 days away from giving birth. I was very heavily pregnant. Anyways, I wake up to this and shockingly I'm not nobody from the Daily Wire steps in to manage the situation. And as you can imagine, virtually every journalist, every person with a media platform was contacting me to comment, to respond to me being insulted by something. >> Here it is, my friends. You guys remember this legendary moment. >> 5 years ago, the US brought together Israel, Morocco, the United Arab Emirates, Baharra. >> [ __ ] gay. Anyway, of course, TMZ would run ads like this. It's run by Jews. I mean, what what the [ __ ] [music] God damn. Damn, [ __ ] It is [ __ ] trash. >> Speaking of Daily Wire, um, how's it over there? I know obviously there's like there's a a little bit of rift between you and Ben. What's going on there? This was back in March of 2024. So, this is a few months after he said that about her in November. >> Let the people know. >> I mean, what I said on Tucker following that is the truth. Like I the thing that I regretted about that situation is that people then assume that there was like all of this tension and horrible things that were happening at a Daily Wire and like me and you know Ben lives in Florida. He lives down here. The rest of us live in Nashville on a day-to-day basis. I don't I don't see Ben. There's no like toxicity in the office or anything like that. People are emotional. He is very passionate about Israel. He's married to an Israeli. I mean that makes sense, >> I guess. >> Yeah. And then Mo hit that sound effect and that pissed him off. Apparently, the hosts were talking to Candace about the riff with Ben. And every time Ben or his wife who was Israeli was mentioned, the show dropped the chuching sound effect. An obvious n to anti-Semitic trope about Jews and money. [screaming] Apparently, this was the straw that broke the camel's back. CHAT, [screaming] this [ __ ] Mo, bro, hitting those sound effects led to this. Okay, so we're partly responsible for a kid has destroyed these [ __ ] man. [music] You can thank Fresh and Fit [ __ ] We kept Camala out the White House and we were the beginning of the end for Ben Shapiro. >> [screaming] >> There's proof from TMZ, [ __ ] Okay. You're welcome, sir. You're welcome. [applause and cheering] [applause] Yeah, BUDDY. [applause] >> You're welcome, guys. This was the beginning of the end for this [ __ ] bro. We started it and you guys got the receipts. [screaming] >> Someone I'm about to give birth. I'm being insulted. And then Kenneth went on a generational run and lapped these [ __ ] >> They're not getting anything from the Daily Wire. So I am obviously frustrated. I should you should also tell you I had no PR at this time. My PR was the internal PR at the Daily Wire. And it was very clear that their focus was on protecting Ben even though he was the one who insulted me publicly because I said that genocide is always wrong. That is the genesis of that statement. That's all I said. Obviously I wanted to respond angrily to the press. I wanted to hit back at Ben. Uh, and I guess you could sort of say my perspective was an eye for an eye. But my husband was a better person than me, instructed me that morning to instead take a deep breath, relax, okay? Don't think about what you're feeling in the moment. Think about how you're going to feel in the future. And he instructed me to instead read the Bible, Sermon on the Mount, the Sermon on the Mount. And I read through it and he reminds me that everybody who wants a comment, they don't care about me either, right? They're selling headlines. They want the clicks. They want the drama. And I'm going to feed into that. For what reason? For what reason, actually, am I going to give a comment and say something about Ben Shapiro? Blessed are the peacemakers, right? uh don't don't buy into this click culture. And so I tweeted that actually my husband was right. I called for peace. I tweeted blessed are the peacemakers. And I made the mistake. I guess it was a mistake. And after I tweeted blessed are the peacemakers. And I'm thinking that I'm going to be commended when I get back to work. Like wow, he really took the high road. I ended uh this biblical passage with Christ is king. Christ is is the king. Like he's the only thing that matters. Obviously Christ is king. Now it was just Tucker Carlson's luck that I had been slated to come on his new show the very next day. He had booked me six weeks earlier. I got approval from Daily Wire. He booked me for November 15th. So, suddenly Ben gets on this table. He insults me. It's trending all over Twitter. And Tucker Carlson is going to be the first person to capture my reaction to it. And when it came time, I kept up with the Peacemaker. I I decided I made the decision to just take the high road. I said, you know, I don't want that to negatively impact uh how people perceive the Daily Wire. There are great people there. I mean, I I wouldn't be proud on that, but I'm not taking >> And that it's all self-inflicted, by the way. Then the Brett Cooper situation, bro, they just fumbled >> the bait here. I didn't say anything snipy back at Ben because I didn't want to feed the mob. That was my honest perspective. My uh husband was just right. And also, we're talking about a work colleague, right? [laughter] Somehow me taking the high road made him angrier. So, here's what he did. Elsewhere in my interview with Tucker, he asks me who I look up to, who I like. And I told Tucker the truth that it was my dream to meet Thomas Soul. That when I first got into politics, I read a ton of Thomas. >> Thomas Soul is a real digger, bro. >> Soul books. And I had tried many times to meet him and obviously he's aging, but I really looked up to Dr. Thomas Soul and and here's that clip with me and Tucker. >> How do you listen to when you're trying to figure out I mean some of the stuff comes at you so fast and you're talking almost every day, right? >> Thomas Soul is like the [ __ ] uh that [ __ ] is the bane to the to the FBAs. He debunks so many of these like you know um uh you know white supremacy systemic racism myths >> writing almost everything. >> The [ __ ] hate that guy, bro. >> Okay. Um who do you read or listen to to try to make sense or bounce ideas off of? You know, I have been obsessed with Thomas Soul. Um, and everybody knows that I am pretty much a Thomas Soul Groupy. Everything he rewrites, I read. And it is because he finally he was a part of my awakening story into politics and made me focus on the economics, which is to say, block out the noise and pay attention to the economics. Go backwards in history to understand where we are. When has this worked? Oh, it's never worked. They're just telling me that it's going to work into the future. And there's no evidence to support that. So, when Ben saw that, he decided Thomas Soul, hey, that's your dream. You love Thomas Soul. He thought that was an opportunity to get even with me for taking the high road after he insulted me on stage because he's deeply jealous of Tucker Carlton for reasons that I cannot quite understand. Ben had his team reach out and schedule an interview with Thomas Soul, which they paid for an offensive amount of money, I presume, to effectively purchase a black man who has no idea what's going on. He's very old. He's in his 90s to hurt my feelings. Okay. Interview with Tucker is on the 15th. I think it premieres on the 16th. And Ben gets Thomas Soul, who he doesn't care about. I'm working at the Daily Wire at this moment and I'm about to give birth in three days, but this was supposed to be like an FU Candace for taking the high road and saying that genocide is always wrong. That is what I mean when I say he is an incredibly petty man. Okay, now we know how this ends. I then am fired. Fired not for what I said, but for what they assumed that I meant and for trolls that I didn't respond to. And I want >> And we I showed you guys the TMZ thing. That was a part of it, too. >> To be clear, it is you can fire whoever you want. You really can if you're a business owner. It's just that this was atypical in the fashion that it was done right. It wasn't done in the way where you just say, "Okay, get out of here. It's not working." Instead, what they decided to do was humiliate me in front of all of the other employees by rather than having a conversation, sort of dramatically having me exit after doing my show, not knowing that I was going to be fired. And then they had put together a stage in my studio and uh put up clips of put together basically a whole package like almost like a high school play and conducted what I honestly when I look back cuz it recently leaked what happened at this quote unquote town hall. This is a slave hanging. This is a slave hanging, right? Gather around. Everybody else is a slave and let me tell you how this one messed up. Gather around and watch us whip this person. This is literally how I feel when I watch this, okay? And you'll know what not to do next. And here is a video of the then CEO Jeremy Boring, which somehow Stephen Crowder got a hold of this week or last week or whatever. This is just a portion of it. You should watch the entire thing because it really is something. And ask yourself in your in your memory, do you ever recall anybody ever being fired where 300 employees been joined um electronically up on the screen too and just enjoyed watching me be humiliated where 300 employees are invited down and shown a production of what this person did wrong. Okay. Well, let's let's watch a little bit of this video. and has [clears throat] made no statement at all in the days after Hamas terrorists raped, murdered and tortured over a thousand Israeli civilians, mostly Jews, some Americans, and then they took hundreds more hostage. But then on October 28th of 2023, while anti-Israel protests were raging in London, where Candace >> and this guy Jeremy Boring, guys, he's also a weirdo. [ __ ] calls himself god king and wears makeup. That's [ __ ] strange. And bro wants to be a star so bad, but he's not. And he's no longer the CEO of uh Daily Wire. I think Ben is the real CEO, bro. He's the real CEO. Like people say that he's not the CEO, but he absolutely is. He's the one that makes a lot of decisions. even threw ran this [ __ ] out of here, >> I believe it was at the time. She reposted a video of the protests on X, commenting, quote, "Interesting thing happening here. People are not accepting the media narrative about what's happening in the Middle East, despite the insistent rhetoric from government officials." On November 3rd, she posted, quote, "No government anywhere has a right to commit a genocide." >> And this Undercover Mug Club, this why the audio sounds weird like that. Mug Club, as you guys know, is run by um Steven Crowder. Steven Crowder had a big falling out with um with Daily Wire because of uh Daily Wire wanting to recruit him. gave him a certain number, but it was contingent upon AdSense revenue. And we all know that depending on YouTube for revenue is a [ __ ] fool's game. Uh because these [ __ ] can literally just [ __ ] with you anytime they want. It's a methodology of control. Um so he didn't want to do anything with them and subject himself to the censorship of YouTube because YouTube has had him demonetized for a long time too, man. >> Ever. >> And I truly do pray that YouTube is displaced uh one day, bro. That [ __ ] just like, you know, cuz I'm honestly, guys, I'm I'm seriously contemplating stop to stop streaming on YouTube altogether. Like I'm seriously contemplating it cuz it's [ __ ] so annoying and gay and I would just like um put clips and shorts on there and no longer stream on there. Like I got like 20 of my videos got [ __ ] age restricted recently. [ __ ] YouTube, bro. So [ __ ] gay. >> No justification for a genocide. I can't believe this even >> for a sexual content such nudity and sexual acts. What the [ __ ] bro? >> To be said or is even considered the least bit controversial state. There's only one country on earth being accused of genocide at the time. Anti-semitics took to it immediately. They cheered at what they rightly or wrongly interpreted as Candace smearing Israel. And Candace didn't rebuff their interpretation. But when Dave [laughter] Rubin came to the exact same conclusion as the anti-semites, only instead of cheering for Candace, found it vile and rebuked her. Candace quickly attacked saying, quote, "What's amazing about this is that I didn't name any country in this tweet. I simply stated that genocide is wrong always. This is not a controversial stance." Interesting how you interpreted it and then followed up with quote, "In short, if the blanket statement that genocide is wrong upsets you in any way, then you need to check yourself." I said exactly what I meant and I won't be backing down or apologizing or further clarifying this statement. >> The this war, man, uh literally changed everything, chat. The October 7th war did changed everything, dude. Crazy. You got people here that are lifelong Israel shills, man. Flipping say, man, [ __ ] this [ __ ] >> within 24 hours. And it's like a post calling Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a war criminal. Now, let's be clear. You're free to disagree with Israel's conduct and you're free to oppose the Netanyahu government, but the idea that Israel is committing genocide or that Netanyahu is a war criminal is just factually baseless. >> Yeah. that you're >> unfortunately and routinely makes insinuations about Jews that >> why this why Daily Wire is cooked. >> Lovers of anti-mitism and haters of anti-mitism both agree is anti-semitic and in almost every one of these instances Candace says [clears throat] nothing to the anti-semites who cheer her and only pushes back against those who disapprove of her comments on February. >> So if you guys remember at this time Nick was supporting her heavy Nick was supporting her a lot. That's why that's another reason why this [ __ ] is so mad. That's a big uh added part. All of us were rallying behind her when this [ __ ] was happening with Daily Wire. 28th of this year. Candace just asking questions posted quote time to look into the history and >> and this is right before she came on our show. She came what four days later uh like on March 24th or so >> the cheering of pornography. Her replies were immediately flooded with anti-semites cheering her for the question and providing the answer that they interpreted her interpreted her to meet the Jews. Once again Candace did nothing to disuse are so bad bro. >> The anti-semites of their assumption. But when Anthony coach came to the exact same conclusion Candace pushed back saying this is utterly insane. I tweeted that porn is harming men in our society and this person has interpreted that as an attack on Jews. This is an example of clinical insanity. There is no other explanation. >> I stand by all of those tweets. Pornography is harming men. We should look into who profits off of pornography. Genocide is always wrong. No matter which country calls for it, whatever. What was controversial about anything that I say? Now, I I'm again wanting you to these are my crimes. Just imagine 300 people being brought and said like it's it's this is she said this and this is what we know. And then he goes into a diet tribe about the real beating of Christ as king. And he shows videos of Nick Fuentes which have nothing had nothing to do with me. I had never even spoken at the only one time I'd spoken ever to Nick Fuentes. >> They were so mad about that, bro. >> Uh it was pertaining to Kanye. Yeah, that was it. But I'm showing you this because it's important for you to understand that this has never stopped. I want you to imagine if you view yourself to be a slave owner and that slave not only survives like this public whipping, but that escapes and becomes successful. Uh that's pretty much my relationship with Ben Shapiro since he's fired me because they have not stopped. They have not stopped. I am talking about uh people working behind the scenes to call advertisers attempting to bankrupt me in courts, sending undercover interns to stalk me. He has issued thus far three court proceedings. Okay. For every solitary petty infraction uh against things that I say, he's worked with Barry Weiss behind the scenes to have articles written about me. It is nonstop. I refer to this, just to be clear, as legal abuse. It's legal abuse. And I have put up with a lot of it. I have put up with the pettiness of even suing me because I interviewed a USS Liberty survivor who mentioned your name. >> Yeah, they got so [ __ ] mad about that [ __ ] man. With um they're they're referring to um Phil Turney >> as you pretend that you care about free speech and debate. I >> did he sue her for that? She said >> even suing me because I interviewed a >> Oh, wow. He sued her. I did not know that. >> A lot of it. I have put up with the pettiness of even suing me because I interviewed a USS Liberty. >> That's crazy. I didn't know he sued her for that, bro. [music] Tactics. And look, I'll tell you guys this. When I was at Afest, funny story for you guys. Someone had like a change my mind debate thing set up. What happened was uh someone put Ben Shapiro's a bro Shapiro's people came over, right? Cuz this was like out in the media row area. Ben was on the main stage. Ben's people came to the to the booth and said, "If you guys don't take this down, we're going to sue you for defamation." [screaming] Hilarious, bro. His lawyer showed up at the [ __ ] Turning Point USA event, handed a man and said, "If you don't take this [ __ ] thing down, we are going to sue you for defamation, bro." [ __ ] literally hit him with the shut it down in real life. >> Who mentioned your name as you pretend that you care about free speech and debates. I put up a lot of it, but today I draw the line. I draw the line. >> Yeah, it's it's only free speech if you don't talk about >> with this miserable imp when it comes to Charlie Kirk. Okay, don't try me on this, but you keep trying me on this. You are an imposttor, Ben. You're an imposttor. You pay to pretend that you're friends, that you have a right to be on that stage because you get >> Yeah. And they never liked each other, man. They were harsh rivals, uh, Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk, but they kind of operated together because they understood that like the kind of common enemy for both of them was Nick Fuentes. That's kind of why they never truly gutted each other. >> Donors to pressure people because, you know, Jewish people who can threaten to take money where you say, "I'm going to do an advertising spend. Here's a million dollars. I'm sorry, you're dead." The entire world knows that you are an imposttor. I mean, you're so you're so much of a fraud that essentially what you do is you have people send around clips to grown men to cheer you on, to pretend like the audiences love you. You staff audiences with people that work for YAF who are told to explode into cheers when you hit the stage because you don't have the confidence anymore to go out into the world because you know people see you for what you are. And so it uh exactly what he did yesterday. We can now listen to what this impostor said as he hit the stage organ. >> So fast forward, we know what he said about it. Well, Ben, when it comes to you and having worked with you, I just know I just know the tactics that you use to feain popularity in the public. I just know the amount of money that you are willing to spend on advertising to inflate your numbers to make people think that you're popular. So, yeah, I don't have to say we don't know no when it comes to you. You are such a joke of a little man. Your jealousy against Tucker, your ability to believe that you can keep manipulating the markets. You know, those kids booed you on that stage. The amount of messages I got from Turning Point USA, people saying, "What is happening? Why is he on the stage?" standing against everything that Charlie believed in. That's what you're doing. You're standing against everything that Charlie believed in because you weren't his friend. He didn't like you for that very reason. Look at you and I just think you are such a little worm. I could see you right now probably. What can we do? >> Yeah, Ben's a short guy by the way. He's like 5'6. >> Out to her. We're going to sue her into bankruptcy again. Right. Sue her for every infraction and every word that I don't like and every time my feelings are hurt because what you really believe in is Bal Barth. That's what that's what your people believe in. You believe that you are contract lords and that people are not allowed to violate contracts or you will ruin them for years. >> Tactics. >> Fire someone and you effectively stalk and harass them for years after. I'm here to let you know that I'm done with it. I am done with it. This one is so fully off of the mother effing plantation. Truly, Ben Shapiro. [ __ ] you and the [ __ ] horse that you rode in on. >> Best part. I had to wait. Hey man, we had to work our ways up to it, [ __ ] Let's go back one more time a little bit. Say that plantation. Truly Ben Shapiro. I am done with it. This one is so fully off of the mother effing plantation. Truly Ben Shapiro. [ __ ] you and the [ __ ] horse that you wrote in on. And I say that on behalf of the world. I know. >> Let's go. >> Going to get applauded by Constantin Kissen and Andrew Christ is King Claven and all of the people, the men who have to keep applauding what you do like you're a four-year-old to make you feel good. But the rest of the world can't stand you. You're obnoxious. You have absolutely no values that exist outside of the Talmud. You describe yourself as a Talmudic Jew. And I've learned what's in that tail mood. And I >> We know what's in that tail bud. >> Encourage other people at home to learn what is in >> YO [screaming] YO the were melting down about this [ __ ] on X, bro. They were melting down that she pulled this book out. >> Nat Talmooch that you >> W man bad. [screaming] >> You know these [ __ ] are pissed. [ __ ] were punched in the air when she pulled this book out. >> You know what Ben thinks of you? Because doesn't just hate me. He hates you too. White men. >> Facts. >> He hates all black people. Okay. if he's following the rules of the Talmud. I mean, when I say hate, they think that we're >> and also they think, yeah, they think we're animals and they can enslave us. By the way, slavery is permitted, by the way, guys, on nonJews. The goyam, we can all be slaves to them. That's what these [ __ ] believe in. There's a reason why they don't want you guys to know Hebrew or know the Torah or learn their language. >> Animals that they have a right to own us, that they have a right to make us worship them, that they have a right to lie to us, that they have a right to sue us and take everything that we have, that they have a right to deceive us. Yo, I ain't going to lie. This is a W that she's saying this [ __ ] on YouTube, bro. This is a W. She's saying this [ __ ] on YouTube. >> That they have a right to treat Charlie the way that he treated Charlie while he was alive, only to then try to defraud the population into thinking that he is somehow a part of his legacy, that he somehow cared about Charlie Kirk and cares to protect the people that are working at Turning Point USA. Goodbye, Ben. Goodbye. Question is, how much more money is Ben Shapiro going to spend to make people think that he's popular? How many more articles is his father going to write under a pen name Hank Barryian of the Daily Wire under the pen name Hank Barian as he wrote while Ben was at Breitbart before he turned his back and betrayed them too because that is his nature. One of these belly creatures sliver on. The question is how many more weeks and years do we have to keep pretending like Ben Shapiro is relevant? It's an open-ended question. Of course, what followed Ben Shapiro on stage is somebody who Charlie Kirk loved very much and who he fought for to the very end against the Jewish donors who were pressuring him. some of them because Ben Appro >> and uh just so you guys know they lost more donors after this weekend with Megan Kelly. So yeah, bro, it is what it is.