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Brandon Tatum Defends Charlie Kirk Against Anti-Semitic Conspiracy Theories and Netanyahu Bribery Claims
Brandon Tatum confronts the troubling conspiracy theories surrounding Charlie Kirk's assassination, particularly addressing false claims that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu offered Kirk $150 million. Tatum challenges those spreading unsubstantiated accusations connecting Israel to Kirk's death, calling out anti-Semitism while defending Kirk's nuanced position on Israel. Drawing on statements from Andrew Kolvet, Kirk's closest associate and executive producer, Tatum systematically dismantles the narrative being pushed by figures relying on questionable sources. He also reflects on the donor pressures Kirk faced, the controversy around Tucker Carlson speaking at Turning Point USA events, and announces his continued fundraising efforts for the Kirk family, aiming to present Erika Kirk with substantial financial support at AmericaFest.
Confronting Baseless Conspiracy Theories
Brandon Tatum opens with fierce criticism of conspiracy theorists who continue to spread unfounded claims about Charlie Kirk's assassination. He specifically targets those suggesting Israeli involvement, demanding evidence for allegations that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu offered Kirk $150 million. Tatum expresses frustration with a panel discussion where these theories were being entertained without substantiation, particularly calling out the emotional nature of the debate and the lack of credible sources.
Tatum traces the origin of the $150 million claim to Max Blumenthal, a journalist with connections to Iran-backed media outlets including Al Akhbar in Beirut and Al Jazeera. He questions why conspiracy theories consistently lead back to sources connected to Qatar or Iran, suggesting a coordinated disinformation campaign against Israel and Kirk's legacy.
Why This Is Anti-Semitism
Tatum makes a clear distinction between legitimate criticism of Israel and anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. He points out that no other nation has been connected to Kirk's assassination in conspiracy circles—only Israel, despite Kirk spending the majority of his career as a vocal advocate for the Jewish state with hundreds of hours of pro-Zionist content available online.
"When Charlie first got shot, there was no connection whatsoever in my mind about that a foreign government, our biggest ally whom Charlie has spent the majority of his life advocating for," Tatum explains. He argues that the obsessive focus on Jewish involvement, even while claiming not to believe Israel was responsible, reveals an underlying anti-Semitic bias. "Why are you bringing up Jews if you don't think they had nothing to do with this?" he challenges. "That to me tells me how anti-Semitic you are."
Andrew Kolvet Sets the Record Straight
Tatum presents extensive clips from Andrew Kolvet, Kirk's executive producer and one of his closest friends, who appeared on a podcast to debunk the conspiracy theories. Kolvet clarifies Kirk's actual position on Israel: Kirk supported Israel over Hamas but wanted the freedom to criticize Israeli government actions without being labeled an anti-Semite. Kirk felt he had earned the right to express nuanced views given his years of advocacy for the Jewish people and Israel.
Regarding the $150 million claim, Kolvet is unequivocal: "As far as I know, no. I had never heard anything like that. Everyone I've asked has said the same thing." He explains that Turning Point USA had a strict policy against accepting foreign money, regardless of the source or amount. The organization even refused money that was "practically crammed down our bank account," canceling wire transfers to maintain their principle of accepting only American donations.
Kolvet also reveals that Kirk refused government handouts during the pandemic, declining PPE loans despite the financial temptation, and avoided mass layoffs that other organizations implemented. Kirk was "very principled" about foreign money, often telling Kolvet to "deal with them, get rid of them" when foreign individuals sought meetings at events.
The Pressure Kirk Faced
Tatum provides context for the pressures Kirk experienced regarding his Israel position. He acknowledges that Kirk lost some donors over giving Tucker Carlson a platform, though Kolvet clarifies a common misconception: Turning Point USA's funding base was not primarily Jewish donors. "It just wasn't true," Kolvet states about online comments suggesting the organization was funded by "Jewish shekels."
Tatum reflects on what he wishes he could have told Kirk during this difficult period. He explains the difference between criticism rooted in hatred versus criticism rooted in love, noting that people can criticize America without being called anti-American because their criticism comes from a place of wanting America to improve, not from hatred of the country. With Israel, the context is different due to the historical trauma of the Holocaust and the hypervigilance this creates among some Jewish people who fear the loss of the only Jewish state.
"When I say something and Jewish people attack me, I understand that some of them are stupid and then some of them are acting out of fear because of what has happened historically to Jewish people," Tatum explains. He wishes he could have helped Kirk distinguish between bad-faith critics and those acting from genuine concern, encouraging him not to let the pressure get to him.
Tucker Carlson and Donor Relations
Tatum addresses the controversy surrounding Tucker Carlson speaking at Turning Point USA events, admitting his own evolving perspective. Initially, he didn't think twice about Carlson having questions about Israel, believing everyone has the right to disagree. However, after listening to Carlson's speech at AmericaFest, Tatum was shocked: "He couldn't get more anti-Semitic than anybody else. What he's saying is dangerous to young people."
Tatum references Carlson's subsequent interview with a nun where he suggested he could give condolences to Osama bin Laden's family and expressed uncertainty about whether Hamas is a terrorist group. While Tatum initially chose not to speak out because he believed Carlson was "doing more good than bad," he now understands why donors would object to giving Carlson a platform before young people.
He acknowledges the difficult position this created: "If somebody were to give me money and I go get somebody who's an anti-Semite because of my friendship with them, I go give them a platform and then they go and trash Jewish people... Maybe, just maybe, I can expect that they not going to like that." Tatum recognizes that organizational leaders must make hard choices about whether maintaining certain relationships is worth losing mission-aligned donors.
Gaslighting and Genocide Claims
Tatum reserves particular criticism for one panelist who claimed Israel committed genocide while simultaneously admitting there was no evidence Israel killed Kirk. "You stupid enough to say, 'I don't believe that they killed Charlie because there's no evidence,' but you believe there's a genocide with no evidence," he challenges, pointing out the logical inconsistency.
He also criticizes claims about Netanyahu exploiting Kirk's death for political purposes by giving interviews. While acknowledging that some felt Netanyahu overstated his relationship with Kirk, Tatum argues this is far different from accusing Israel of assassination and represents a conflation of separate issues.
Fundraising for the Kirk Family
Throughout the video, Tatum promotes merchandise and fundraising efforts for the Kirk family, with 100% of profits going directly to Erika Kirk. He has created "I Am Charlie" and "We Are Charlie" shirts, along with a "Freedom" shirt, all available for purchase. For those not interested in merchandise, a direct donation link is also provided.
Tatum reports that the fundraising has been successful so far, estimating they could present Erika Kirk with a half-million-dollar check at that point, with a goal of reaching one million dollars to present at AmericaFest. "God put it on my heart. I'm gonna deliver on that promise," he states, emphasizing his commitment to supporting the Kirk family during this difficult time.
Final Reflections on Charlie's Legacy
Tatum concludes by emphasizing that Charlie Kirk was a friend to the Jewish people and to Israel, despite having opinions about how the war in Gaza was being prosecuted and believing Israel's public relations approach was "abysmal." Kirk wanted the freedom to express these nuanced views without facing coordinated pressure campaigns.
The video serves as both a defense of Kirk's character and positions, and a call to focus on finding Kirk's actual killer rather than entertaining baseless conspiracy theories that reveal more about the accusers' biases than about Kirk's death. Tatum's message is clear: honor Kirk's memory by supporting his family and preserving the truth about who he was and what he stood for, not by spreading dangerous falsehoods rooted in anti-Semitism.
Video Transcript
Okay. Where's your proof that $150
million was offered from BB Netanyahu?
>> No, I'm referring.
>> Where is the proof? Please do not get
any.
>> No, no, no. Because I didn't want to
cover this and you guys insisted and I
told you if you cover this, I'm going to
rip you apart.
>> When Charlie first got shot, there was
no connection whatsoever in my mind
about that a foreign government, our
biggest ally whom Charlie has spent the
majority of his life advocating for.
there's a hundred hours of uh uh sure
Zionist content from Charlie Kirk that
can never be deleted from the internet
that they will somehow find a way to get
to America and coordinate an effort
outside of our intelligence agencies to
somehow kill Charlie Kirk.
So Jillian Michaels probably with the
same, you know, uh frustration that I
feel when it comes to this Jew thing cuz
everybody just bring the Jews up every
time. Not everybody, but the people who
are nutty just bring the Jews up every
time. So, I guess this this is a
theology or this is on the show or Julia
Michaels is on the show with with a few
other women, which you can't find a
female show that don't get crazy. Women
are too emotional to be doing some of
this stuff. They they really should be
at home with their families and be at
home being a wife and and and a woman
who shouldn't even be doing this stuff
because what happens? They get emotion.
They start catfighting. You see it on
the view. You see it on Real Housewives.
And that stuff could be staged on Real
Housewives and you fa to see it in a
minute. All that estrogen and that
catow.
It's going to get ugly. All right. And
let me let me let me put this in
perspective. So on the show, this
conversation that Benjamin Netanyahu
offered Charlie Kirk $150 million is
still going on with no evidence. And
allegedly, according to this tweet that
the rumor, it says, let me read it for
you. It says the journalist behind the
report reported uh report accusing
Benjamin Nanyahu of offering $150
million to Charlie Kirk is Max
Blumenthal, a man who used to work for
the Iranbacked newspaper Al Akbar in
Beirut and contribute to the Al uh
Jazer. Why is this? Why is the Why is it
that every time that we track down a
lie, we end up finding people connected
to Qatar or Iran behind it? Wrote a
clip.
>> How does that debunk the fact? He just
read it. Where's your proof that $150
million was offered from BB Netanyahu?
>> No, I'm referring. Please do not get
any.
>> No, no, no. Because I didn't want to
cover this and you guys insisted and I
told you you cover the I'm going to rip
you apart. Where is the proof?
>> We're not saying that Yahoo Charlie $150
million. So, we're not. Okay. So, what
we're reporting on is people in the
marketplace what they're saying. This is
a discussion that's happening literally
everywhere. We would be remissed if we
didn't cover it to debunk
>> it. This conversation
still prevalent
>> is a week old.
>> It's still going on. Jillian, I I
>> Okay. Well, nevertheless, where is the
proof that that actually happened?
>> I just said according to this guy's
reporting,
>> he was offered 150 million.
>> Okay, that was corroborated by Candace.
>> It was corroborated by Candace. And not
only that, by Nick and Austin.
>> Okay, cuz that's Listen, I like Candace.
She has people from his own team have
said he has not seen her in years.
>> And yet last year they were on tour
together. Last year they were on tour
together. He bumped that issue. If you
want to completely debunk that time on
camera together,
let's just calm down.
>> They subsequently said, "This is not
true."
>> No, they never actually Eric Bowling.
All of them were like, "Yeah."
>> Okay. Eric Bowling hasn't Eric Bowling
thought that he had two daughters. Okay.
So, I'm not going to
>> Okay. Andrew Kovit,
>> the narrative is not true. Charlie has a
cordial relationship with Aman. There
was no black. intervention that same
that same Andrew said that um Candace
and Charlie remain friends.
>> I just want to make sure
>> he's saying this is not true.
>> But they were literally touring together
last year.
>> Nothing like what Candace is suggesting.
What does it have to do with what does
it have to do with you? Just
>> what does it have to do with their
friendship? He's saying what Candace is
engaged with you if you don't.
>> He is saying what Candace is suggesting
is not true.
>> He is talking about her suggesting
Israel killed him. We're talking about
200. Please do not conflate the two
because well unilaterally across the
board now we've got multiple accusations
that all pile up to the same exact
>> No, I think it's the fairies. It's the I
think it's the fries.
>> I can't stand the accent. Oh my god. I
cannot stand it.
>> N
it's No, it's not.
I I hate it, man. Some people probably I
can't Nick. I can't listen to it. All
right, ladies and gentlemen, in the
spirit of supporting my buddy Charlie,
we made some shirts. 100% of the profit
goes to the Kirk family. We're going to
make sure we get it to Erica. There's no
contesting that. We know them. That's
our people. We got it. So, you can
reassure that when you purchase a
product uh that's in the line of
Charlie, it'll go directly to the
family. So, get you some merch. The I am
Charlie and also the Charlie one that
says we are Charlie and then the freedom
shirt are all available right now. Go
and get it. show your support to the
Kirk family. And let me tell you just
real quick why I started it is because I
wanted to wear the shirt. I wanted to
show support for Charlie and I figured
if other people want the same, you can
do that. If you don't want any apparel,
we also have a support link uh for you
to donate. If you want to just donate
money to the family, 100% of the
proceeds go directly to the family. So,
we'll put that link in the description
section as well. Show your support to
the family. We love them. His legacy
goes on. God bless you and thank you. Oh
no. Like what? Like how do how do you
fix your mouth to go ner?
Oh no. It's like no. N O no. How you get
ner?
Gosh, please. I don't want to hear her
talk. I don't know her. She probably I
probably follow on social media. She
probably good. But that nerve will make
me have a stroke.
Roll the clip.
>> Don't know. And I don't look for those
who are saying no evidence to suggest
nonsense.
>> Can we stop for a second? These things
were ridiculous. Like this whole thing
is ridiculous. There are two things
being conflated right now. There are
conspiracy theorists who think Israel
killed Charlie Kirk. They have yet to
provide a shred of evidence proving
that. Done. End. We're not talking about
that. I am talking about something
entirely.
Hold on.
>> Oh, you talking thought.
>> Okay. The real issue here is that before
most people even knew that Charlie Kirk
was dead, you have Netanyahu giving
multiple interviews talking about how oh
using the moment for his own political
purposes for his own political purpos
because none of us can finish the damn
point without someone else jumping down
your throat. I don't think that Israel
killed him because there's no evidence
of that. But I had a problem with
Netanyahu exploiting an assassination in
this country for his own political means
and purposes
>> and lying about the nature of his
relationship with Charlie Kirk because
Charlie Kirk didn't like Netanyahu just
like any warm-blooded American
shouldn't. Netanyahu is a bad guy
>> and he wanted to make it seem like no,
we were all great. We were good. We had
a great relationship. Little did we know
behind the scenes there was a lot of
pressure toward
>> ends being about how do we bash Israel?
This is not for me. I am not interested
in this. I know. I know. Sorry. Let's be
good. Let's be good about precious
Israel. Let the country committing a
genocide.
>> Country committed genocide.
>> I think you guys agree fundamentally
disagree with you about like every
shower.
>> Can we continue the conversation?
>> Let's not. Let's
>> Okay.
>> You wanted to do it anyway.
>> Finish the last.
>> All right.
>> All right.
>> Wow. Okay, guys. So, again, to clarify,
>> I can't do it. Get off the camera. Get
off the camera. Okay, guys. Sir, I don't
know how nobody watch this, but let me
get to the point.
You know, the people the gaslighting
that's going on around Israel, like for
instance, no other nation is connected
at all to any conspiracy about Charlie's
death. Why? Why is it only the Jews?
This is called anti-semitism. Now, not
everything, not every criticism of the
Jews is anti-semitic. And I think Jewish
people and others who advocate need to
stop making everything about that
because y'all losing support when you
bashing people call them anti-semites
for just little stuff that they do. But
this is anti-semitic. This is the this
is the bad mind worm that people got in
their brain that everything leads to
Jews. When Charlie first got shot, there
was no connection whatsoever in my mind
about that. a foreign government. Our
biggest ally whom Charlie has spent the
majority of his life advocating for.
There's a 100 hours of uh uh sure
Zionist content from Charlie Kirk that
can never be deleted from the internet
that they will somehow find a way to get
to America and coordinate an effort
outside of our intelligence agencies to
somehow kill Charlie Kirk. And then they
but they didn't kill any of these other
anti-semites that's out there. But the
Charlie Kirk that secretly was turning
on Israel secretly cuz not publicly. He
wasn't really saying nothing different
than what a lot of people believe and
that's questioning certain things that
they find reprehensible.
>> But she get on there and they go this
$150 million. Well, let's put that to
bed real quick. Well, in my next clip,
I'm going to put it to bed because
Andrew Kovic, which was probably
Charlie's number one guy, the one of the
closest people, executive producer. I
know Andrew and I know them. He used to
be he used to be Charlie Kirk's like uh
manager. So, they've been like this for
a long time. And Andrew came out on uh
Clark's podcast um and debunked all of
this stuff. Charlie Kirk didn't get paid
or offered 150 million. If he did, I'm
sure Andrew would have known about it.
And I'm sure if if Andrew knew, Erica
knew. And if Erica knew, Andrew probably
knew. He would have told somebody that
he got offered $150 million. His closest
people would have known. Nobody is
saying that that even exists. Somebody
made that up because they got to connect
the Jews to something. And then you
cannot gaslight us into saying you
adding Jews to everything. But I'm not
saying that they did it. Then why are
you bringing them up? Why are you
bringing up Jews if you don't think they
had nothing to do with this? That that
to me tells me how anti-Semitic you are.
Charlie's over here dead. You got a
killer on the loose and y'all over here
talking about the Jews. But you saying I
don't believe Jews had nothing to do
with. But why you over here talking
about that and we should be focused on
this? Cuz you want it to be about the
Jews. You want them to kill Charlie. So
you can say, "See, just like that that
ignorant woman and a conspirator. If I
ever debated her, she would cry in the
debate. I will just dog her in the
debate and I will not give up. I I would
be relentless. She's such a fool." And
they committed genocide. Oh. Oh. So to
Israel, they committed genocide. You
stupid enough to say, "I don't believe
that they g I don't believe they killed
Charlie because there's no evidence."
But you believe there's a genocide with
no evidence. All right, let Andrew, who
was Charlie's closest friend, closer
than any of us, I would say most people
other than his wife. I I I would think
that Andrew may be even closer than his
wife because she he knew her. He he knew
Charlie before he had a wife.
Nick said it was his work wife.
Too soon. All right. Wrote a clip.
>> Couple things that it's worth
clarifying,
you know, and you asked me this earlier,
so let me make sure I I say it. Charlie
Charlie's position on Israel was very
clear. I like them more than I like
Hamas.
I just wish I was free to criticize
Israel and not be labeled an anti-semite
because I can criticize my own
government and not be called
anti-American,
>> right?
>> But why do I have more freedom to do,
you know, that and not criticize, you
know, a foreign government? and he was
really upset that that there was this
sort of clampdown on the freedom of
expression, the freedom of ideas, free
speech when it came to a foreign
government. And I will say this, he felt
like he had earned
>> play the right as a friend of the Jewish
people over the years and all of the
things that he had done. He felt like
his bonafides in that respect were
unassalable and that he should have the
freedom to say, "Hey, it's time to end
the war. Hey, it's time to stop." Okay,
let me just speak to this real quick
because I I want to put this in
perspective because there's more that
he's going to talk about.
This is this is where
youth come into play.
And Charlie needed a true mentor.
And I I don't I'm not saying nothing
about the people that mentored him. I
think he needed a mentor in this area
because Charlie was doing the right
thing. Charlie was acting in good faith.
But the pressure
of of people who are stupid
begin to get to him.
If you're criticizing Israel and people
are going crazy on you, some of them are
stupid and wisdom tells you that some of
them need need a better perspective. Let
me give you an example.
The reason why you can criticize America
and not be anti-America
is because the other side hate America.
So our criticisms of America is in love.
It's not in hate. And it's clear. The
reason why we call Ilan Omar
anti-American because they criticize
America is because they're not
criticizing America. They hate America
and they want America to be destroyed.
So technically if Charlie thought it
through in this perspective is that you
will be called anti-American if you
criticize America. If you're criticizing
America in in poor faith but because
we're not criticizing America poor faith
we're not called haters of America. Then
when it come to Israel, understanding
the contextual reality, they don't make
it right, but understanding why some
people are are offended, is because
there's a there's a a reality that
occurred in the only Jewish state that
existed that makes people feel afraid of
completely losing it again like they did
at the Holocaust because a little bit of
are they interested in this? Oh, now
they run the government and now they do
this cause people to get to become
extinct.
And I think people are hypervigilant. I
don't think it's right necessarily, but
I think they get become hypervigilant.
So when I say something, which I it
hasn't happened to me, but it probably
will at some point. When I say something
and Jewish people attack me, I
understand that some of them are stupid
and then some of them are acting out of
fear
because of what has happened
historically to Jewish people. So I will
identify the stewheads and say I don't
care what they say about me. They can go
screw themselves. But then the ones who
are considered my friends that are
concerned, I will have a conversation
with them to put it in perspective on
what I'm saying, what I'm trying to
deliver, and how do you want to do this
together? Right? If you saying that my
messaging is not right, how would you
like for me to convey this message? And
good, honest people who are Jewish who
who are hyper sensitive, I think will
come to a conclusion of understanding
where you come from. But when you're
young, you're 31 years old and you have
been loved and and liked and and people
have literally kissed every ground that
you walked on in the conservative space
your whole 31 years or at least the
years that you've been at Turning Point.
It's not easy to hear people starting to
turn on you.
And and somebody should, in my opinion,
I would have liked for somebody to be
there for Charlie. I wish he would have
reached out to me so I can give them
some confidence and perspective and say,
"Bro, this look, you good, bro. These
people will come and go. These people
are this is why these people are hyper
sensitive and these people are stupid.
So, let's differentiate between the
stupid the stupid ones and the hyper
sensitive ones. And then at the end of
the day, God got your back anyway. So,
if the hyper sensitive ones want to not
be be around you, go tell them to f
themselves. And the people, the kids
that are in turning point USA, they want
to turn on you because they disagree
with what you're saying about Israel,
they can screw themselves. Now, it's
okay to disagree, but when they say,
"I'mma turn on you. I don't want nothing
to do with turning up on USA because
they don't like what you said,
you can't do nothing, Charlie. Don't
worry about them, man. They they
bandwagon people. Give the next
controversy, they going to be on your
side again. when they go out to campus
and they don't have nobody that love
them, nobody that care about them,
nobody that that that that protect them,
nobody that's let them have a voice,
then they gonna come back the turning
point. Oh, can I get can I do this? So,
just chill, bro. Don't let it get to
you.
But nobody was there, I don't think,
that could convince Charlie of that what
what I'm saying. I wish he had called
me. Would that change his life? No, cuz
God already had a plan for him. But I
did wish he would have called me and I
could have gave him some real
perspective on this. Wrote a clip.
>> The killing.
But you know when you with Tucker for
example yeah I mean we took some push
back we lost some donors and what's
interesting is it wasn't necessarily
Jewish donors although there was that's
a misconception about turning points
funding base by the way is you know it's
not a whole lot of Jewish donors it's
just not we never you know there was
always I saw the comments online like oh
the Jewish shekels or something like I
mean it's all this gross stuff. It just
wasn't true. Um and it isn't true. Uh,
but we did lose, you know, one in
particular towards the end that was
frustrating. There's this great clip
when we were in Myrtle Beach and he got
asked if, you know, from somebody in the
audience if he was going to, you know,
debate Candace or,
you know, disavow Tucker. And Tucker and
Charlie's answer I thought was amazing.
I remember he came off stage, he was
like, "Do you like that one?" And I was
like,
>> he would always ask that for
reassurance.
>> Yeah. Yeah. He always he always loved
like, "Did you see that?"
>> Yeah. I look good. Was that a good clip?
Do you think that'll go viral?
>> Yeah. And I remember saying like, "Yeah,
I thought it was amazing." It was
morally so crystal clear. And he
basically said, "I don't appreciate
being morally blackmailed."
>> And you know, and every time people
would say that to him, he would dig his
heels in. It was like, "Well, maybe
Tucker's going to give two speeches now
at afand
so."
>> That was one thing like Charlie and I um
I relate to him so much is that him and
I both do that where we don't like being
told what to do.
>> Oh, I've noticed that before, by the
Yeah, I know. Yeah, Andrew. I'm like,
oh, there's so many things that we could
talk about. How many times Andrew and
Charlie have had to put out fires for me
that I've started. But like, yeah, when
I'm told I I can't do something, it's
like, well, I'm going to do it even
harder than them. That's just my
personality. Charlie is very much the
same way.
>> I think that's the key is like Charlie
was a friend of the Jewish people and a
friend of Israel. Did he have opinions
about the prosecution of the war, about
he thought their PR was abysmal? thought
they were doing more harm than good in
many ways for their own cause. So all of
those things were true and he was upset
that he couldn't express those things
freely without without all of this
pressure coming down on the
organization. He has a lot of great
Jewish friends and you know and some
people that maybe some not so good ones,
right? But I think there's just it's
just a nuanced thing.
>> Was Charlie offered $150 million from
Israel?
>> As far as I know, no. I had never heard
anything like that. Everyone I've asked
has said the same thing.
>> And and by the way, just for what it's
worth, it doesn't matter the amount that
would have been coming down. We would
have said no because there's evidence
that that is true.
>> Turning point does not Charlie would not
accept foreign money.
>> Exactly.
>> We only took American money. There was
money sent to us like practically in
multiple instances where they're trying
to cram it down our our bank account and
we said no. We canceled like money wires
and things.
>> No foreign money and also no handouts
from the government during the pandemic.
He refused to do mass layoffs that
everybody else in the country was doing.
Said no to the to the um whatever that
check was. What was that that they were
handing out? Stimulus check.
>> Yeah. The PPE loans, right? I always get
PPP and PPE mixed up. But yeah.
>> Yeah. But it was a big it was a good
amount of money that at the time we
could have used.
>> Yeah.
>> He put out a company statement saying,
you know, this was tempting for sure,
but we're going to say no. I mean, he
was very principled in that way.
>> He was extremely principled, especially
on foreign money. I have inst I remember
moments we'd be at like an event you
know and some foreign people would come
up and like demand a meeting or try and
get a meeting with Charlie and Charlie
would look at me and go deal with them
get rid of them like
>> it's exactly the way Charlie sounds so I
know that's exactly what he said but
people are saying you know you can't
trust Andrew he's he's now a part of the
deep state or something stupid you know
I think that you know personally I I I
just think that I wish that Charlie
could have had some some more people
around him that could have helped him
through this through this situation
because I know how it feel to get want
to double down when people say crazy
stuff about you. And is it always the
right thing to do? I don't know. Maybe,
maybe not. Um but I I knew he could have
gotten past if I would have sat down and
talked to Charlie, I knew he he had
gotten past this moment of of feeling
frustrated because that pressure is
crazy. When I interviewed Benjamin Man
Yahoo, I I was the first time in my
career that I felt like, man, I'm so
sick of this stuff. I don't even want to
be a part. People are so stupid. I What
am I even doing here? I'm going to go
off and be a businessman and make a
billion dollars and I I I never y'all
never hear from me again. That's how a
part of me felt with the crazy amount of
backlash I got just for interviewing
Benjamin and Yahu. The crazy amount of
backlash that I get just for saying I
support Israel. When every major
Christian that I respect supports
Israel, every pastor that I respect
supports Israel. What are we even
talking about? So, I know the feeling
and his was doubly because he's now
beholding the people because they're
donating money. And you got to put
things in perspective. Like for
instance, if I were going to do an event
and I had a nonprofit and people that
love Israel and they love the fact that
I'm a Zionist and they feel like we're
aligned with mission and they go give me
a million dollars or so and they
committed to giving me $10 million over
the next 10 years and then I go get
somebody who's an anti-semite because of
my friendship with them. I go give them
a platform and then they go and trash
Jewish people and be anti-Zionist
to the next generation of young people.
Maybe, just maybe, I can expect that
they not going to like that. Now, I got
to make a decision to say I can't really
fool with you because you messing with
the mission. I still like you as a
friend, but if you messing with the
mission and you messing with the money,
you got your own platform. Not unless I
want to lose these donors. And if I do
want to lose them, then so what? I'm
losing them. Here, come on the stage.
Hey, raise your hand if you want to
leave the organization because you don't
like what I say. Okay, get them and get
them and get them and get out of here.
You got to make your decision on which
one you do. I don't take money from
nobody. Nobody's giving me anything. I
I'm I'm self-made. There ain't no
donors. I'm not I got a $100 million uh
budget going on over here. We grinding
over here. And nothing against anybody
else, but we we trying to do it on our
own. But if somebody were to give me
money and Benjamin Netanyahu look called
me on the phone, Brendan, I want to give
you $150 million to help you build an
organization. Come on. Where you is it
legal? Give that check over here. But
I'm gonna accept it, but I'm not I'm not
beholden to nothing. So you make sure
when you send me that check, we're going
to write a contract to say, but I will
do this and this and this. If you do cut
up, I'm going to criticize you. Do you
still want to give me that money? No,
you don't want to give it money. Well,
thank you. I don't want to take your
money. Somebody come to me and say,
Brandon, I want you to build a coalition
of of young Zionists or something. You
want to help fund it. I love that idea.
Send me that money. But just know in the
clause, if you send me the money, I
still got to be B Tatum because if you
don't let me be B Tatum, this ain't
going to work. And that to me, that's
the reality of of how these things go
on. And so I wouldn't be shock I'm not
shocked whatsoever that donors wanted to
abandon Turning Point because of uh that
lunatic Tucker Carlson. Like I was mad
that Tucker was speaking because I
didn't I I didn't know Tucker was that
crazy, right? So I'm like he said he got
questions about Israel. I never thought
twice about it. Like, yo, we we live in
America, bro. Everybody don't have to
agree. I don't agree with everything
Charlie said, and Charlie probably
didn't agree with everything I said.
Nobody got to agree on everything. Who
cares, man? We all going we all doing it
for the movement, right, in different
angles. But then I heard his speech cuz
I didn't even talk about Israel in my
speech. I was, but then like God sent me
another way and I I didn't mention it.
Then I went back and listened to
Tucker's speech at a fest. I said,
"Whoa." I mean, says, I said, "Whoa, he
couldn't get more anti-Semitic than
anybody else. what he's saying is
dangerous to young people. He's creating
this false doubt in these young people's
mind like a lunatic. Then I say I wasn't
going to say nothing because I'm like,
"Hey man, he doing more good than bad to
me. It's a little part of his most of
his speech was anti-semitic." And then
he goes on to interview that nun and
then that next thing you know he's
supporting talking about he can give
condolences to uh Osama bin Laden's
family. He don't know whether Hamas is a
terrorist group. that food and said a
whole bunch of other stuff. And I'm
like, okay, if I was a donor, I would
say I don't want if I'm giving you
millions of dollars, I don't want that
guy on the stage. You can have him on a
debate, but he is standing before these
young people and infusing poison in
their minds because he's a nut and he
got a against Israel somehow. I would I
would be the same way. Like, I'm not get
Look, bro, I love you. I appreciate you,
but this guy's going in the wrong
direction and that's not the direction I
want to go in. There's a lot of other
people that would love to fund the
direction that y'all going in. I'm not
I'm not I'm not participating. I mean,
would I really take the money for this
that one person? I don't know. I really
don't know. I I would have to look at
the totality circumstances, but I would
be upset about it. I was upset about it.
When I saw him speaking at the funeral,
the memorial service, I was like, but it
was Charlie's friend, so that ain't got
nothing to do with me. That's his boy.
That ain't mine. That's Charlie's
memorial. That ain't mine. So, I ain't
the one that that that got nothing to
say about it. I don't know the guy. I
wasn't his friend. I don't know what if
they ride or die or not, but I I
definitely was taken aback like uh they
got him speaking that Charlie thing
after what he did to Ted Cruz and then
he wouldn't he wouldn't give any
biblical references with that with that
nun that he was talking to. But he
shamed Ted Cruz like that. But anyway,
Nick over there panicking. All right, I
think I'm done. I've said enough. I love
you guys. I got to go smoke a cigar and
relax for a minute. Um y'all be good. We
still doing it's it's on pre-order. We
still, if you want to get a shirt to
support Charlie's family, 100% of the
profit goes to this family. Uh, we
raised a pretty good amount of money so
far. I mean, right now, we could
probably give uh Erica half a million
dollar check at this point. Um, and my
goal was to give her a million at at uh
America Fest and let her decide what she
want to do with it. And that was
collectively all of the people that
follow me wanted to do that to support
their family. I I I made the promise to
God. God put it on my heart. I'm gonna
deliver on that promise to to give
whatever we raise and then that's it.
All right. I love you guys. I'm out.
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