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September 23, 2025

Brian Entin examines FBI Director Kash Patel's detailed statement about the Charlie Kirk assassination investigation, including the possibility of accomplices and suspicious text messages. Former FBI agent Steve Moore analyzes newly released evidence, including decades-old untraceable rifle details, surveillance footage of suspect Tyler Robinson from years earlier, and the cryptic text exchanges with Robinson's roommate that raise serious questions. Moore explains why certain text messages between Robinson and his romantic partner suggest deeper involvement than initially believed, and what investigators are likely focusing on as they pursue every lead in this high-profile case.

FBI Director Reveals Investigation Focus Areas

FBI Director Kash Patel released a comprehensive statement outlining the ongoing investigation into the Charlie Kirk assassination. In his tweet, Patel emphasized the FBI's commitment to pursuing every lead to its conclusion, stating that the full weight of America's law enforcement agencies are actively following the evidence.

Patel detailed specific areas of investigation that provide insight into the direction of the case. The FBI is meticulously investigating several theories and questions, including the location from where the shot was taken, the possibility of accomplices, text message confessions and related conversations, Discord chats, the angle of the shot and bullet impact, how the weapon was transported, hand gestures observed as potential signals near Charlie at the time of his assassination, and visitors to the alleged shooter's residence in the hours and days leading up to September 10th, 2025.

The FBI Director also addressed speculation about a plane that allegedly turned off its transponder after departing from an airport near the assassination site. After interviews with the pilot and consultation with the FAA, investigators determined the transponder was not turned off, and incomplete flight data in rural areas caused the apparent gap in tracking information.

Untraceable Weapon Raises Questions About Premeditation

Authorities identified the gun used in the killing of Charlie Kirk as a decades-old untraceable rifle. The weapon is an older bolt-action rifle, a type originally manufactured in Germany for military use during both World Wars. Significantly, this firearm predates laws that required firearms to carry serial numbers or other identifying marks.

This detail becomes particularly relevant when examined alongside text messages between suspect Tyler Robinson and his roommate and romantic partner. In those messages, Robinson wrote: "I'm worried what my old man would do if I didn't bring back Grandpa's rifle. I don't know if it has a serial number, but it wouldn't trace to me. I'm worried about prints. I had to leave it in a bush."

The choice of this specific weapon raises questions about whether Robinson deliberately selected it because of its untraceable nature. The fact that he referenced concerns about serial numbers in his text messages suggests this may have been a calculated decision rather than a random choice of available firearms.

Suspicious Text Messages Suggest Possible Accomplice

The text message exchange between Tyler Robinson and his roommate and romantic partner has drawn scrutiny from investigators and analysts alike. Former FBI agent Steve Moore, who has been analyzing the case, expressed serious concerns about the nature of these communications.

Moore pointed out several troubling aspects of the text messages. Robinson's statement "I don't know if the gun has a serial number, but they won't trace it to me. I'm worried about prints. I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits" doesn't sound like something someone would tell a person who had no knowledge of what was happening. Instead, it sounds like communication with someone deeply involved in the plan.

According to Moore, Robinson didn't have to explain what gun he was talking about or why he didn't want fingerprints on the weapon. He referred to it as his grandfather's gun as if this had already been discussed. Moore stated that as an FBI agent looking at that text, "you are going to have to go a long way to convince me that that person isn't an accomplice."

The formality and nature of the exchange between the two young people in a romantic relationship also struck many observers as unusual. Moore noted that the way they were talking was suspicious and didn't match typical communication patterns for people in their demographic and relationship status.

Former FBI Agent Analyzes Investigation Strategy

Steve Moore provided insight into how FBI investigators would approach the various elements outlined in Director Patel's statement. According to Moore, what Patel appears to have done is ask the case agent in charge of the investigation to write down everything they're looking at, because these are exactly the things the FBI would be investigating.

Regarding the question of how the weapon was transported, Moore explained this means investigators are trying to solve logistical puzzles. How did Robinson get the rifle on the roof? How did nobody see it? How did a blanket get up there with him? Moore explained that being an FBI agent involves solving for unknowns in an equation, and if investigators can't figure out how the rifle got to the location, that's a serious question that needs answering.

Moore noted that if there's no video of Robinson going up on the roof with the rifle, and no easy way of getting that rifle to the location, then investigators have to assure themselves that he didn't leave it the day before or that he didn't have an accomplice who helped him. With a case of this magnitude where the entire world is watching, Moore emphasized that investigators cannot soft-pedal anything.

Possibility of Accomplice Charges

When asked whether he believes Robinson's roommate and romantic partner will eventually be charged with something, Moore said that if that person isn't charged, he would need to know what investigators were thinking when they received a message saying "I hid the rifle in the bushes when I changed my clothes, and I'm afraid there are fingerprints on the rifle."

Moore stated that the circumstantial evidence pointing to the roommate's involvement is extremely difficult to work around. While he acknowledged it's not impossible that there's an innocent explanation, he compared convincing him otherwise to convincing him the Earth is flat.

However, Moore also cautioned that prosecutorial decisions can sometimes be derailed for reasons that aren't always clear to investigators. He shared an experience from his own career where someone confessed to providing a weapon knowing it would be used in a horrible crime, but prosecutors wouldn't move forward with charges, and he never received adequate answers about why.

Regarding the timeline of potential accomplice arrests, Moore explained that this would be the most delicate part of the investigation. He wouldn't expect public announcements or arrests until investigators have an indictment and can make an arrest. Tipping off potential accomplices before that point would cause them to go to ground and make the investigation more difficult.

Surveillance Footage from 2022 Fender Bender

Newly released body camera footage shows Tyler Robinson after a 2022 fender bender in Utah. In the video, Robinson wore sunglasses and a hat similar to what he was wearing when allegedly on the run after the shooting of Charlie Kirk. The footage provides a glimpse into Robinson's mannerisms years before the assassination.

In the video, Robinson calmly explains the accident to police, describing how he was traveling in the rightmost lane when another vehicle pulled out and he t-boned into the side of it. He stated that the light had just turned yellow as he was getting into the intersection. Robinson's mother also appeared at the scene to provide insurance information.

The officer in the video did not issue citations and provided Robinson with a driver exchange form containing all the vehicle information and a case number for insurance purposes. Observers noted that Robinson's demeanor in the video was remarkably matter-of-fact, with some commenting that he almost acted like a police officer in how straightforward and formal he was in his statements.

Investigation of Hand Gestures and Potential Signals

Director Patel's statement mentioned that investigators are examining hand gestures observed as potential signals near Charlie Kirk at the time of his assassination. Video footage shows what appears to be a security guard behind Kirk making hand motions that some have found suspicious.

Moore provided perspective on this aspect of the investigation, noting that everything tends to look suspicious after someone is shot. He described these types of leads as things investigators have to "throw on the wall and see if it sticks."

According to Moore, investigating these hand gestures would be relatively simple but time-consuming. Investigators would interview all the people involved, conduct background investigations, and examine every detail of their activities. Even if a security guard provides an innocent explanation like swatting at a bee, investigators can't simply accept that answer. They have to investigate every single thing down to what the person did the night before, where they were supposed to be stationed, and all related details.

Moore emphasized that while he doesn't put a lot of stock in these types of witness observations, investigators have to wrestle every lead to the ground and know what it is without doubt.

Visitors to Robinson's Residence

Patel's statement specifically mentioned investigating visitors to the alleged shooter's residence in the hours and days leading up to September 10th, 2025. The fact that he said "hours and days" rather than just "days" suggests there may have been visitors right before Robinson left for the assassination.

Moore explained that the significance lies in the fact that visitors existed at all. Someone Robinson's age living with a friend would naturally have people coming over, so investigators have to separate the suspicious from the non-suspicious visits.

Moore also provided insight into how people deeply involved in violent websites and radical fringes of the internet sometimes connect. He compared it to romantic relationships that start online, where eventually people meet in person. In the world of extreme violent radicals, when they get talking about taking action, there often comes a point where they meet face-to-face. Moore noted that unless these individuals are actively facilitating something, he wouldn't necessarily expect them to meet the night before unless they stayed and helped with the plan.

Choice of Untraceable Weapon Shows Planning

Former FBI agent Steve Moore believes Robinson's choice of the decades-old Mauser 98 rifle was deliberate and calculated. Moore explained that Robinson was hoping nobody would ever trace the gun, meaning investigators wouldn't go looking for it at his grandparents' house near Provo, Utah.

Beyond the lack of serial numbers, Moore noted that Robinson likely chose this weapon because it wouldn't be easily matched through ballistic analysis. Some people on the internet have claimed that if you only have the bullet, you can't trace it to a weapon, but Moore corrected this misconception, explaining that you absolutely can. However, Robinson wanted something where there was nothing in a database to trace it to.

Moore described this as probably one of Robinson's better ideas because there was no record of that particular weapon. Mauser 98s have been around since the 1910s, and there are tens of thousands of them. After World War I and World War II, when militaries divested of their weapons, many of these rifles along with Russian SKS rifles came to the United States as cheap hunting rifles.

Erika Kirk's Forgiveness Statement

At Charlie Kirk's funeral, his widow Erika made a touching statement about forgiveness that moved many people, including law enforcement professionals analyzing the case. Erika stated that she forgives the alleged shooter and, while acknowledging it's up to the government to decide, said she wouldn't publicly advocate for the death penalty because she didn't want that blood on her hands.

Moore said he wasn't surprised Erika made that statement, knowing what he knows about Charlie and Erika Kirk. He found it gratifying and extremely touching, admitting it broke him emotionally. However, he also provided insight into the law enforcement perspective on such statements.

According to Moore, one of the hardest things in law enforcement is managing victims' families. He contrasted Erika's response with other cases, such as the parents in the Idaho murders case involving Bryan Kohberger, who wanted immediate justice and appeared unhappy when prosecutors didn't seek the death penalty.

Moore has had to tell families that authorities wouldn't seek the death penalty for someone who brutally murdered their relative, and those conversations are always difficult. He explained that you find out a lot about a person's character and nobility when they say they don't need vengeance, just justice. From a practical standpoint, Erika's statement actually makes the investigation and prosecution easier for the police and FBI.

Ongoing Investigation and Future Developments

Director Patel emphasized in his statement that the FBI cannot release every piece of information to the public right now to protect the integrity of the investigation and subsequent prosecution. He assured that every question would be addressed at the appropriate moment.

The investigation continues to be exhaustive, with the FBI pursuing every lead to its conclusion. Patel stated that some details are known today while others are still being pursued to ensure every possibility is considered. The FBI's primary focus remains completing the investigation and delivering justice.

With the resources of the entire federal government focused on this case, and the funeral attended by the President and Vice President, the investigation represents one of the highest-profile cases in recent history. While speculation continues about potential accomplices and unanswered questions, investigators are working methodically through every piece of evidence and every lead to build a complete picture of what happened on September 10th, 2025.

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[00:00] Hey guys, thanks so much for checking

[00:01] out my channel. I really appreciate it.

[00:03] Please click to subscribe. Uh in this

[00:05] episode, digging into the latest on the

[00:07] Charlie Kirk assassination. Uh new

[00:10] information from the FBI director about

[00:12] what they're looking into. Mainly

[00:13] accompllices.

[00:15] Who could the accomplice be? If there is

[00:17] an accomplice, it might not be who

[00:19] you're expecting. Also, those text

[00:21] messages between uh the suspect Tyler

[00:23] Robinson and his roommate/romantic

[00:27] partner. A lot of people thought they

[00:29] were strange. I've got a former FBI

[00:31] agent digging into all of them. And then

[00:33] the uh surveillance video that was

[00:35] released from years earlier of the

[00:38] suspect uh Tyler Robinson when he was

[00:40] pulled over uh in a fender bender. What

[00:43] does that video actually tell us uh

[00:46] about him? I'm digging into all of it in

[00:48] this edition of Brian Enson

[00:50] Investigates. Hey guys, thanks again for

[00:52] checking out my channel. I've been

[00:53] digging in again to the latest uh in the

[00:57] Tyler Robinson case, the alleged Charlie

[01:00] Kirk assassin, and some of this new

[01:02] information that's been coming out. Uh

[01:04] coming up later in the episode, you're

[01:05] going to hear from Steve Moore, the

[01:07] former FBI agent who I've been

[01:08] interviewing about a lot of this, but I

[01:10] just want to give you the latest updates

[01:12] first before um before I get into that.

[01:15] And a lot of this is coming from a tweet

[01:18] from FBI Director Cash uh Patel. And

[01:21] this is what he wrote. He wrote, "As the

[01:22] director of the FBI, I am committed to

[01:24] ensuring the investigation into Charlie

[01:26] Kirk's assassination is thorough and

[01:28] exhaustive, pursuing every lead to its

[01:31] conclusion. The full weight of America's

[01:33] law enforcement agencies are actively

[01:35] following the evidence that has emerged,

[01:37] but our efforts extend beyond initial

[01:39] findings. We are examining every facet

[01:42] of this assassination." And this is the

[01:44] part that gets interesting. Sorry, it's

[01:45] thundering out here.

[01:47] We are meticulously investigating

[01:49] theories and questions including the

[01:50] location from where the shot was taken,

[01:53] the possibility of accompllices, the

[01:55] text message, confession and related

[01:57] conversations, discord chats, the angle

[02:00] of the shot and bullet impact, how the

[02:02] weapon was transported, and I'm going to

[02:04] get into what that could mean in a

[02:06] second. um hand gestures observed as uh

[02:09] potential signals near Charlie at the

[02:11] time of his assassination and visitors

[02:14] to the alleged shooters residence in the

[02:16] hours and days leading up to September

[02:19] 10th, 2025. And again, he said hours

[02:22] leading up to September 10th, 2025. Who

[02:24] was visiting with him? What do they

[02:25] know? Going to get into that in a

[02:26] second. Uh he writes, "Some details are

[02:28] known today while others are still being

[02:30] pursued to ensure every possibility is

[02:32] considered. Our primary focus is to

[02:35] complete this investigation and deliver

[02:38] justice to protect the integrity of the

[02:40] investigation and subsequent

[02:41] prosecution. We cannot release every

[02:44] piece of information we have to the

[02:45] public right now. We will ensure every

[02:48] question is addressed at the appropriate

[02:50] moment. And then it says, "Regarding

[02:51] specific details, such as questions

[02:53] about the plane that allegedly turned

[02:56] off its transponder after departing from

[02:57] an airport near the assassination site,

[03:00] we can share updates when answers are

[03:01] confirmed. After interviews with the

[03:03] pilot in consultation with the FAA, we

[03:05] determined the transponder was not

[03:07] turned off. Incomplete flight data in

[03:09] rural areas acc uh caused the apparent

[03:12] gap." Um,

[03:14] what he's talking about there is there

[03:16] was this theory, and I saw it on X.

[03:18] There were people were tracking this

[03:19] plane that was flying over the area

[03:20] where Charlie Kirk was assassinated and

[03:22] it sort of disappeared from flight

[03:24] radar, but they're basically saying

[03:26] there's an explanation for that. Uh, the

[03:28] entire FBI mourned the loss of Charlie

[03:30] Kirk. We will not rest until justice is

[03:31] served in our investigation into this

[03:33] assassination. We'll continue until

[03:35] every question uh is answered. So,

[03:37] that's the latest from Cash Patel. And

[03:38] again, there are some hints, I think,

[03:41] what I would call hints in that

[03:42] statement of what they're really looking

[03:43] into. and that's what I'm going to get

[03:45] into with my former FBI agent friend in

[03:47] a second who's done investigations like

[03:49] this. So, that's coming up in a second.

[03:51] Um, also new, authorities said the gun

[03:54] used in the killing of Charlie Kirk may

[03:56] be a decades old untraceable rifle. They

[04:00] identified the gun, it's a, you know, an

[04:02] older boltaction rifle, a type

[04:05] originally manufactured in Germany for

[04:07] military during both World Wars. and it

[04:10] actually predates laws that required

[04:13] firearms to carry serial numbers or

[04:15] other identifying marks. Um, so is it

[04:18] possible that Robinson chose that

[04:19] firearm because it's harder to trace?

[04:22] Remember, and I'm going to get into this

[04:24] with Steve, but

[04:27] in those strange text messages between

[04:29] him and the roommate/romantic

[04:31] partner, he said, "I'm worried what my

[04:33] old man would do if I didn't bring back

[04:35] Grandpa's rifle. I don't know if it has

[04:37] a serial number, but it wouldn't trace

[04:39] to me. I'm worried about prints. I had

[04:41] to leave it in a bush. But he said, "I

[04:44] don't know if it has a serial number."

[04:45] So, did he Is that the reason he chose

[04:47] that gun? Because he knew that it was

[04:49] untraceable.

[04:51] Also, uh there's newly released body

[04:53] camera footage that shows Tyler Robinson

[04:55] after a 2022 fender bender in Utah. He

[04:58] had on sunglasses and a hat similar to

[05:00] what he was wearing um on when he was on

[05:02] the run after allegedly gunning down um

[05:04] Charlie Kirk. Again, this is from a

[05:07] fender bender. It's from years before,

[05:08] but it's still interesting to just see

[05:09] his mannerisms. Look at this.

[05:12] >> Who's driver? You the driver?

[05:14] >> Yeah.

[05:17] >> Can you tell me just really quick what

[05:18] happened?

[05:19] >> I was coming this way and he was just

[05:21] passing through and he pulled out uh

[05:24] from here or no from there I think.

[05:27] Which do you remember which lane you

[05:29] were in?

[05:29] >> I was in one of those two lanes going

[05:32] this way. I think in the right Yeah. In

[05:34] the rightmost lane coming this way.

[05:36] Okay.

[05:36] >> And he would have been there going left.

[05:40] Okay.

[05:41] >> And as I was coming through, he turned

[05:42] in and I t-boned into the side.

[05:44] >> Okay. Do you remember looking at the

[05:47] light?

[05:47] >> Yeah. It was It just turned yellow as I

[05:51] was getting into the intersection.

[05:52] >> Gotcha. Okay. Are you Are either one of

[05:54] you injured in any way, shape, or form?

[05:56] No. Nothing hurts. Do you have your

[05:58] registration or proof of insurance on

[06:00] your vehicle?

[06:01] >> Robinson's mother then also shows up to

[06:03] the scene is caught on the body camera

[06:05] video uh and has to bring the insurance

[06:07] information. You can see her here.

[06:10] >> All right, buddy. Here's your

[06:11] information back here. So, this is a

[06:13] driver exchange form. He This has all of

[06:15] his vehicle information and all your

[06:17] vehicle information. Okay. The most

[06:19] important number on this piece of paper

[06:20] is this one right here. Top left. This

[06:22] is your case number, instant number, all

[06:24] that stuff. Okay? And that's the number

[06:26] that the report will be filed under. All

[06:28] right. When you contact your insurance

[06:30] company, that's the number they're going

[06:32] to ask for right there. Okay.

[06:33] >> So, I am not issuing citations today.

[06:36] Mom, do you have any questions since

[06:37] you'll probably be taking care of this?

[06:39] >> I will be taking care of this. And this

[06:41] is all new for me, but we'll figure it

[06:43] out.

[06:43] >> All right. But basically, just call your

[06:45] insurance company. Let them know he's

[06:46] involved in an accident. They'll ask for

[06:48] this number. Okay? And then, uh, just

[06:50] kind of go from there. They'll help you.

[06:52] >> They'll do whatever insurance companies

[06:54] do. So, obviously has nothing to do with

[06:56] the assassination. Um, but, um, still

[06:59] interesting nonetheless. I'm joined now

[07:01] by Steve Moore, former FBI agent. Um,

[07:04] it's good to see you, Steve. Thank you

[07:05] for joining me again. Um, this this Cash

[07:09] Patel tweet

[07:11] >> really opened up a can of worms. Um,

[07:13] there's a there's a lot to it that he's

[07:15] putting out there and I'm cur I want to

[07:16] kind of go through a couple of the

[07:18] different elements that he mentions and

[07:20] see what you think. Um he says that

[07:22] they're investigating theories and

[07:24] questions is the way that he put it. The

[07:27] first thing he says is the location

[07:30] where the shot was taken. Um what does

[07:33] that mean to you?

[07:35] >> Well, you know, let me just do it in

[07:37] more of a holistic way here. What it

[07:40] appears he's done is had somebody go to

[07:42] the case agent, the agent in charge of

[07:45] the investigation, and said, "What are

[07:47] what are you looking at?" you know,

[07:48] write write it all down because those

[07:50] are exactly the things that the FBI

[07:53] would be looking at.

[07:55] >> So, in terms of possibility, he said

[07:57] possibility of accomplice, and you and I

[07:59] have spoken about this before. Um, but

[08:02] it's been a while since kind of early

[08:04] on. Where's your head at on that now? Do

[08:06] you still think that someone else may

[08:08] have known or may have even helped?

[08:11] I'm having problems with the roommates's

[08:15] statements. Or actually, not the

[08:17] roommate statements, but the things that

[08:19] the shooter or the alleged shooter

[08:23] texted to his roommate. I mean, listen

[08:25] to this. He says, "I don't know if the

[08:28] gun has a serial number, but they won't

[08:30] trace it to me. I'm worried about

[08:33] Prince. I had to leave it in a bush

[08:35] where I changed outfits."

[08:38] Well, that doesn't sound like something

[08:41] you would talk tell somebody who had no

[08:44] idea of what you were talking about. It

[08:47] sounds like you were talking to somebody

[08:49] who was elbowed deep in whatever you

[08:52] were doing. He didn't have to explain

[08:55] why what gun he's talking about. He

[08:57] didn't expl have to explain why he

[08:59] didn't want fingerprints on this gun. Um

[09:03] he refers to it as my grandfather's gun.

[09:08] Well, apparently he had already, you

[09:11] know, discussed it. So, so Brian,

[09:15] there's two things here. The FBI agents

[09:17] who are working this right now and the

[09:19] and the Utah State Police, they know uh

[09:23] probably

[09:26] so much more than I do in this. But I'm

[09:29] going to tell you that if I looked at

[09:32] that text, you are going to have to go a

[09:34] long way to convince me as an FBI agent

[09:38] that that person isn't an accomplice.

[09:41] >> Do you think that the um I go back I

[09:44] mean in some documents referred to as

[09:46] the roommate, but the governor has

[09:47] called uh him a uh romantic interest. I

[09:51] mean, do you think that person is going

[09:52] to be charged with something eventually?

[09:55] If that person isn't charged, I would

[09:58] need to know right now what in the world

[10:03] they were thinking when they got a

[10:05] message saying, "I hid the rifle in the

[10:08] bushes when I changed my clothes, and

[10:10] I'm afraid there are fingerprints on the

[10:12] rifle." I mean, the hell do you think he

[10:15] was talking about? I mean,

[10:18] you would You're going to have to That's

[10:21] like convincing me the Earth is flat.

[10:23] you're going to have to go a long way.

[10:25] I'm I'm not going to tell you that I

[10:27] that I think it's impossible, but that

[10:30] bit of circumstantial evidence to me is

[10:34] extremely difficult to uh dance around.

[10:37] So, yeah, I think there's a strong

[10:40] possibility that he will be um that he

[10:43] will be um indicted, but there are all

[10:47] these things that you that come in from

[10:50] all different directions. Um, I had a

[10:53] guy uh confess to providing a weapon

[10:56] knowing that a guy was going to commit a

[10:59] a horrible crime with it and I got a

[11:02] confession from him, but they didn't

[11:05] prosecute. They wouldn't prosecute that

[11:07] one and it tore me in half and I never

[11:10] got adequate answers uh even in the FBI.

[11:14] Um, but there so I assume maybe he was

[11:17] an informant for another office. I don't

[11:19] know. But somewhere along the line,

[11:22] these things can get derailed. And right

[11:25] now, I think the burden uh is on the FBI

[11:28] to ex to either indict or explain why uh

[11:33] those were not uh culpable statements.

[11:36] >> Yeah. And the next thing I had listed

[11:38] that uh Patel wrote was text message

[11:40] confession. Um, which

[11:45] you picked up on some of the things that

[11:46] I noticed, but even just in general, the

[11:49] whole exchange,

[11:51] something about it a lot of people did

[11:54] just find strange. I mean, even it was

[11:57] just people thought that it was fake. I

[11:59] mean, even the formality between these

[12:01] two, you think if they're in this ro

[12:03] romantic relationship and they're both

[12:04] young people, it was I don't know. There

[12:07] is there was something suspicious about

[12:10] it, I think. Do you think?

[12:12] >> Yeah. I Well, I think the way they were

[12:14] talking is suspicious. Um I don't think

[12:18] you're talking I mean you're talking

[12:19] southern Utah people regardless of how

[12:22] uh spiffy they are and how how um you

[12:26] know leaning into their their

[12:29] generation. Uh if as you've seen in some

[12:33] of the uh like the police interviews

[12:35] that were done with him uh after a car

[12:37] accident, you have seen that this guy

[12:39] talks pretty straightforward. He is not

[12:41] a valley guy, you know, and so what he's

[12:44] what he's doing is I think speaking

[12:46] pretty much the way he speaks.

[12:49] >> Yeah. Right. That right. It may seem

[12:52] strange in the text, but you're right.

[12:53] Um, and we'll get to this in a second,

[12:55] but that body camera video from a few

[12:57] years earlier, um, you know, I was even

[13:00] watching him thinking like he almost

[13:02] acted like a police officer. Just he was

[13:04] so like matterof fact about the things

[13:07] he was saying. Patel also said they're

[13:09] looking into how the weapon was

[13:11] transported. What do you think that

[13:13] means?

[13:15] >> That means the agent probably has the

[13:17] same questions I have. How did he get it

[13:19] on the roof? How did nobody see it? How

[13:22] did that blanket get up there with him?

[13:24] Um, you know, the logistical things. And

[13:27] you know, we've spoken before where I've

[13:29] said being an FBI agent is A plus B

[13:31] equals C. And you are you're either

[13:34] solving for A or B or C. And if you

[13:37] can't figure out how the rifle got up

[13:39] there, uh, or or it or it's not obvious,

[13:43] then that's a serious question. I I

[13:46] mean, you as an FBI agent may not know

[13:49] the truth, but you know where there's

[13:51] problems in proving the truth. And so if

[13:54] there is no visible uh if there's no

[13:58] video of him going up on that roof with

[14:00] that rifle, if there's no easy way of

[14:03] getting that rifle on the roof, then

[14:06] you're going to have to assure yourself

[14:09] that he didn't leave it the day before,

[14:12] that he didn't have an accomplice who

[14:14] threw it up to him. Uh these are things

[14:17] I mean when you've got a case like this

[14:20] the entire world is watching and you

[14:23] cannot uh you cannot in any way shape or

[14:27] form uh soft pedal this one.

[14:30] >> Do you think the fact that he's saying

[14:32] how the weapon was transported in his

[14:34] list of theories and questions indicates

[14:37] that there's something that they have

[14:39] seen that is significant about that? Or

[14:41] do you think he's just listing out these

[14:43] things and they may be absolutely

[14:45] nothing?

[14:46] I think he is listing out the things

[14:49] regardless of whether regardless of

[14:52] their importance or probability. He can

[14:56] say whether there's an accomplice and

[14:58] he'll think there's zero chance or

[15:01] whether or how he got it on the roof. We

[15:03] kind of know how he's got you know what

[15:05] I'm saying. He's going down and listing

[15:06] all the things that they are working on

[15:09] and he will have a brief in in front of

[15:11] him and get daily briefs um first thing

[15:14] in the morning on how the case is going.

[15:17] So he will have an idea of where the FBI

[15:20] is on each one of those uh subjects. But

[15:25] um you know those are moving targets and

[15:28] so what he's doing is just giving you a

[15:30] rundown of what they're doing. I wish

[15:32] they wouldn't do that kind of stuff, but

[15:34] you know, he apparently felt it was

[15:36] necessary in this case.

[15:38] >> He also brought up um hand gestures

[15:42] observed as potential signals, and I

[15:44] don't know if you've seen that video,

[15:45] Steve. It's the main one I've seen is it

[15:48] looks like it's like a security guard

[15:49] behind Charlie uh making some hand

[15:52] motions. What do you make of those?

[15:56] >> I'd have to um I'd have to have more

[15:58] information on that. you know,

[16:00] everything's going to look suspicious

[16:02] after somebody's shot. Um there's

[16:05] there's going to be so many things that

[16:07] are just, you know, throw it on the

[16:09] wall, see if it sticks. And so, uh those

[16:12] would be kind of uh I'm sorry,

[16:16] relatively simple to um sus out. I mean,

[16:20] you go interview all those people first

[16:22] of all. Um, and you know, it do a

[16:26] background investigation on them and

[16:28] that's where the, you know, the

[16:29] investigation takes so much time. You

[16:32] know, you find that security guard, he

[16:34] says, "I don't know what you're talking

[16:35] about. There was a bee, you know, this

[16:37] kind of stuff." And, and you then can't

[16:40] say, "Oh, he said it was a bee." No, you

[16:43] have to investigate every single thing

[16:45] right down to what he did the night

[16:47] before. um where he was supposed to be

[16:50] stationed, uh you know, everything like

[16:52] that. And so, yeah, I I don't put a

[16:56] whole lot of stock in that because

[16:59] witnesses say a lot of things. Um but

[17:02] again, you have to you have to wrestle

[17:06] it to the ground. You have to know what

[17:08] it is uh without doubt.

[17:12] Um, he also brought up visitors to the

[17:15] alleged shooters residence in the hours

[17:18] and he and I thought I picked up on this

[17:19] that he said hours and days leading up

[17:22] to September 10th. He didn't just say

[17:24] days, but he said hours and days. So,

[17:27] apparently there's, you know, right

[17:29] before he left or I mean, at least

[17:31] that's what it makes it sound like. What

[17:33] What's significant there?

[17:36] >> Well, that they existed. Um he didn't

[17:39] say whether there were visitors or

[17:42] whether he had people that he was

[17:44] communicating. He said investigating

[17:47] visitors. So to me that indicates that

[17:50] he had people coming over. Well,

[17:52] somebody his age and his and his friend,

[17:55] they're going to have friends that come

[17:57] over. You have to separate the

[17:59] suspicious from the nonsuspicious. But

[18:02] the other thing is is when you get

[18:03] somebody so deep in these violent

[18:06] websites in the violent part or the the

[18:09] far radical uh fringes of the internet

[18:13] uh it's not uncommon for people who have

[18:16] never spoken uh face to face to have

[18:20] meetings um when it comes time to for

[18:24] something to happen. Um, and I would I

[18:27] would analogize it to somebody starting

[18:30] a uh a romantic relationship online with

[18:33] somebody across the country. Eventually,

[18:35] that person's going to come to your

[18:36] house or you're going to meet them

[18:38] somewhere. Uh, in the same way in the

[18:41] world of extreme violent radicals, um,

[18:44] when they get talking about this, there

[18:47] is a point at which they meet. And um

[18:51] usually though I would you know unless

[18:53] they are actively facilitating it I

[18:56] wouldn't expect them to meet like the

[18:59] night before unless they stayed and

[19:01] helped.

[19:03] >> With the significance of this case and

[19:06] just you know a huge event that it was

[19:09] with Charlie Kirk being assassinated.

[19:11] You saw what happened yesterday or on

[19:14] Sunday with his funeral and the

[19:15] president was there and the vice

[19:16] president. I mean, do you think if there

[19:19] was an accomplice or someone even

[19:21] remotely involved by this point and with

[19:24] all of the resources of the FBI and the

[19:26] government now investigating this, by

[19:29] this point we would have already seen

[19:30] some kind of arrest or something?

[19:33] >> No. No, not at all. Because that's going

[19:36] to be the most um delicate part of the

[19:38] investigation. And I wouldn't tell you I

[19:40] would I wouldn't tell you. I wouldn't

[19:42] talk to the press as an FBI agent until

[19:45] I had an indictment and I had the cuffs

[19:47] on him. Then I would tell them how we

[19:49] did it rather than, hey, look what we

[19:52] might do. You know, because people who

[19:55] uh people who are uh potential or who

[19:59] are accompllices in crimes, if they find

[20:03] out they're looking for you or somebody

[20:05] like you or a person your age, they're

[20:08] going to go to ground. They're going to

[20:09] get out of town. they're going to make

[20:11] it hard on you. So, uh,

[20:15] unless it's a slam dunk I, uh, on a, on

[20:18] an accomplice or an accessory before or

[20:20] after the fact, I don't think we would

[20:22] have heard about it yet.

[20:24] >> Interesting. And then just one of my

[20:26] last things, um, this information has

[20:27] come out, and you mentioned this about

[20:29] the gun, uh, that it was a decades old

[20:32] untraceable rifle. Apparently, it

[20:34] predates laws that required serial

[20:37] numbers on firearms. Um, which

[20:41] especially when you think about that

[20:42] fact and you and you bring in what he

[20:46] wrote in those messages, I mean, do you

[20:48] think that that was part of his plan to

[20:50] use that specific gun?

[20:52] >> Yeah. Yeah. I think uh because what he

[20:55] was hoping for is nobody would ever

[20:57] trace the gun. Therefore, you know,

[20:59] there's no way they would go looking for

[21:02] this in the grandparents house. You

[21:04] know, some some uh older guy in uh near

[21:08] Provo, Utah. What they're going to find

[21:11] what you're going to find, I think, is

[21:13] that they uh that he used it because he

[21:16] knew not just that it was untraceable,

[21:19] but that there was just be like it's not

[21:22] going to be a a rifle where you could

[21:24] easily look at the lens and grooves on

[21:26] the bullet. You know, I I've seen some

[21:28] people on the uh internet say, "Well, if

[21:31] you only have the bullet, you can't

[21:32] trace it to a weapon." Oh, yeah, you

[21:35] can. And so, he wanted something where

[21:37] there was nothing in a database to trace

[21:40] it to. And so, that was probably one of

[21:43] his uh better ideas because there was no

[21:46] record of that. Mouser 98s have been

[21:48] around since uh the teens of last

[21:52] century. So, there's tens of thousands

[21:55] of them. and and I've seen mousers and

[21:57] the Russian SKS's. These things are

[22:01] when the when the militaries after World

[22:04] War I and World War II devested of their

[22:06] weapons, a lot of them came to the US as

[22:09] cheap hunting rifles.

[22:11] >> Were you, and this is kind of not so

[22:12] much a law enforcement question, but um

[22:15] a lot of people were touched by Charlie

[22:17] Kirk's widow, Erica, at the funeral

[22:21] saying um you know that she forgives. I

[22:24] mean, they're obviously very religious

[22:26] people that she forgives um the alleged

[22:29] shooter and and essentially saying, you

[22:32] know, that she doesn't want the blood on

[22:33] her hands in terms of the death penalty.

[22:35] Like, it's up to the government, but she

[22:37] wasn't going to publicly advocate for

[22:39] that. Did that did that surprise you or

[22:41] what do you make of that?

[22:43] >> Um, no. Not not

[22:47] not knowing sorry knowing um what I know

[22:51] about uh Charlie and Erica uh Kirk. I'm

[22:55] not surprised she said that. I'm not I I

[22:58] am um gratified she said that. I think

[23:02] that that's uh it was extremely

[23:05] touching. It just it it broke me. Uh but

[23:09] if uh the the and and I hate to jump off

[23:13] the the nobility of that for a minute uh

[23:16] and and come back to the fact that as

[23:18] law enforcement, one of the hardest

[23:20] things to do is manage victims families

[23:24] and uh you're going to get a lot of

[23:26] people, you know, like the the parents

[23:28] of of that tragic Idaho murder, uh multi

[23:31] murder, the Coberg thing, uh Coleberger,

[23:35] uh they wanted this guy's scalp.

[23:38] right now and uh we're not happy I think

[23:41] when the police uh did not seek the

[23:44] death penalty or or doesn't appear to be

[23:47] and and so I've had the same issues

[23:51] where we had to go to people and say

[23:54] we're not going to seek the death

[23:55] penalty on the person who brutally

[23:59] murdered your relative and that is tough

[24:02] and it always I mean you find out a lot

[24:06] about a person's character and uh

[24:10] nobility when they say I'm I don't need

[24:16] vengeance.

[24:17] >> I just need justice in this case. And um

[24:21] so it was it was moving for me. I was um

[24:24] grateful to see that and uh

[24:28] it's it's it just actually makes it

[24:30] easier for the police and the FBI.

[24:33] >> Yeah, it's an interesting perspective

[24:34] you have on it. Um, well, appreciate

[24:36] your time, Steve, as always. Thank you

[24:38] so much.

[24:38] >> Thank you very much.

[24:39] >> I appreciate Steve Moore for talking

[24:41] with me. Um, I've sort of been checking

[24:43] in with him throughout the

[24:44] investigation. Thank you guys for

[24:46] following along. I just wanted to say at

[24:48] the end of this, too, um, totally

[24:50] unrelated, obviously, but for those of

[24:52] you who have been following me for a

[24:53] while, um, you know probably about my

[24:57] dog Shelby, my golden retriever. Um,

[25:00] I've had her in my videos before. or

[25:02] I've talked to her about her a lot on X

[25:03] before I started even YouTubing just

[25:05] when I was mainly doing X through all

[25:07] the stories that I've covered cuz I've

[25:09] had her for 13 years and she is um

[25:13] really my best friend. Um and I had to

[25:15] put her down a couple of days ago um and

[25:20] uh I just wanted to share that because

[25:21] many of you um have known about Shelby

[25:25] for a while, people who have followed me

[25:26] for a really really long time and she

[25:27] was just really sick. you know, I I had

[25:30] kept her going for a while. She had

[25:31] joint problems. She had I mean, really

[25:33] bad joint problems. She had kidney

[25:35] problems. She started having seizures,

[25:38] which she was on medicine on. She had a

[25:39] lot of problems. And it just got to the

[25:40] point where I felt like I was just being

[25:42] selfish um sort of keeping her going.

[25:45] And um so, anybody who has a dog or

[25:47] golden retriever um you know what that's

[25:50] if you've lost one, you know what that's

[25:52] like. And um yeah, I just kind of wanted

[25:55] to share that just because

[25:58] um I'm like I'm not looking for sympathy

[25:59] or anything. I'm totally okay. But I

[26:02] just

[26:04] I don't know. For those of you who have

[26:05] dogs, I wanted to recognize Shelby

[26:08] because behind the scenes, like with all

[26:10] this crazy travel that I do and all the

[26:12] stress, she's sort of been my constant

[26:14] for 13 years and she's always been there

[26:17] when I get home and she's always just

[26:18] been sort of like my support blanket.

[26:20] Um, and even like when I started out,

[26:23] you know, 13 years ago, living in a

[26:26] little crummy apartment, you know, I'd

[26:28] work double shifts reporting and she

[26:30] would be stuck home alone and holding,

[26:32] you know, holding not going to the

[26:33] bathroom inside and just she's always

[26:35] been such a trooper. So, um, yeah, this

[26:39] one goes out to Shelby and, uh, I'll see

[26:41] you guys later.

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