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Candace Owens, podcaster and author of the upcoming book Make Him a Sandwich, sits down with 20 feminists to debate one central claim: the sexual revolution has devalued women and made them infinitely less happy. The conversation quickly spirals into heated exchanges about domestic violence statistics, queer theory, the gender binary, workplace fulfillment versus family life, and whether freedom equates to happiness. From challenging suicide rates and addiction statistics to questioning if women were more objectified in the 1950s or today's OnlyFans culture, Owens defends her position that modern women face more unhappiness despite increased freedoms. The debate tackles everything from Nordic happiness studies to college debt, rape statistics, and whether financial pressure contradicts the promise of liberation.
The Opening Claim: Sexual Revolution and Female Happiness
Candace Owens opens the debate with a bold assertion: the sexual revolution has devalued women and made them infinitely less happy. Surrounded by 20 feminists, Owens prepares to defend this claim against a barrage of counterarguments ranging from domestic violence statistics to queer theory and everything in between. The setting is tense but civil as each participant takes turns challenging Owens on her central premise about women, happiness, and the state of modern feminism.
Domestic Violence and Relationship Safety
The first challenger, Sumaya, brings up a UN statistic from 2023 showing that 60% of women who are murdered are killed by their intimate partners. She argues that if women are so valued in the home, why is that the place where they face the most danger? Owens responds by pointing out that the statistic doesn't directly correlate to the sexual revolution. She notes that people in general are more likely to be murdered by someone they know, and men are less likely to be murdered by women simply because women commit fewer murders overall.
Sumaya pushes back, arguing that the sexual revolution gave women the ability to leave the house, control their reproductive capabilities, and access the workforce. Without it, she contends, women would be more confined to the dangerous domestic sphere. Owens disagrees, stating she doesn't believe more women would be murdered without the sexual revolution, and that the claim still doesn't address whether the revolution made women happier. She pivots to point out that the most violent relationships on record are between lesbian partners, a claim that gets immediately challenged. Owens clarifies that her point is simply that domestic violence occurs across all relationship types when people are intimate, not that it's specific to the sexual revolution's impact on happiness.
Queer Theory and Gender Identity
Julian, who uses they/them pronouns and identifies as a queer feminist, enters the conversation with a different angle. Julian teaches sociology and LGBTQ studies at the college level and argues that the sexual revolution empowered people across all genders, not just women. They bring up sex education as a major contribution of the sexual revolution, claiming it has decreased STIs, abuse, rape, and sexual assault by giving people knowledge and power.
Julian frames the conversation through queer theory, arguing that the gender binary itself comes from colonization. They reference the muxe, an indigenous tribe in Mexico that believed in gender fluidity before European colonizers dismantled it. Julian believes everyone should have the freedom to explore their identity and use whatever language describes themselves best, as long as they're not causing harm.
Owens questions whether they can even debate female happiness if Julian doesn't identify exclusively as female. Julian responds that they identify with all gender expressions, from masculinity to femininity, and that all genders benefit from the sexual revolution. Owens points out that it seems like they're debating queer theory rather than the specific claim about female happiness, and Julian is voted out by the majority shortly after.
Women's Worth and Sexuality
Zena takes the next seat and addresses Owens' premise directly: that women have been devalued by the sexual revolution. Zena argues this presumes women have lost worth as human beings, and questions whether Owens is saying women prior to the sexual revolution were worth more than women today. Owens confirms this, explaining that women have devalued themselves by becoming overtly sexual.
Zena challenges this by asking if Owens is tying a woman's worth to her sexuality. Owens clarifies that if women are having multiple partners, they are devaluing themselves in terms of trying to have productive relationships. Men won't be clamoring for relationships when sex is freely available without commitment. Zena presses further, asking if a man's response to a woman's actions is what defines her worth. Owens argues that both men and women define one another's worth, but the ultimate goal for happiness is family.
Zena questions whether Owens believes all women will be more fulfilled by family, with no individual cases where a woman could feel fulfilled without being tied to other people. Owens acknowledges there could be exceptional cases, but argues that if everyone tries to be the exception rather than recognizing the rule that people are more fulfilled with family and children, society will end up with many unhappy people. She insists that jobs cannot replace the feeling of having a family.
Nordic Countries and Happiness Studies
Zena brings up the Nordic countries like Sweden and Denmark, which have ranked highest in happiness and mental satisfaction from women over the past 14 years. These countries are also more sexually open and have lower rates of STDs, partly due to comprehensive sex education that came from the sexual revolution. She asks why these sexually open countries would show such high happiness rates if Owens' claim is correct.
Owens references a mass-produced behavioral science study about unmarried career women being the happiest, but notes that in 2023 there was a massive scandal revealing many of these behavioral science studies were complete frauds. The data had been faked and the studies couldn't be reproduced. Instead, Owens argues that if women were unhappy in the home and entering the workforce made them happier, there should have been a decrease in suicide rates among women. She suggests suicide rates, along with drug and alcohol consumption, would be reasonable metrics for measuring happiness.
Zena pushes back, saying Owens would need to show direct causation between women entering the workforce and these negative outcomes. When asked how else to measure happiness, Owens maintains that suicide rates and substance abuse are valid indicators. She points out that women are committing suicide at higher rates than in the 1950s, binge drinking more, and binge eating more. These aren't signs that entering the workforce suddenly made women happy. Zena continues to challenge the causation, but is voted out before the argument concludes.
Objectification and Rape Statistics
Nikki approaches with a different statistical angle: rape rates have gone down by about half in the last 20 years. She argues that if women are less valuable now, as Owens claims, why wouldn't they be suffering at higher rape rates? Nikki clarifies that every study shows rape is not about sexual gratification but about power structures and objectification. Therefore, if women are less objectified, they should be raped less.
Owens finds this argument remarkable, stating it's wild to suggest women were more objectified in the 1950s than today in the era of OnlyFans, the Kardashian family, and women posting their bodies for free on Instagram. She points out that women can't even advertise products without being naked as models, yet Nikki is claiming they've achieved less objectification. Nikki clarifies she's not suggesting the over-commodification of women's bodies is positive, but that in the 1950s women were viewed as house appliances and maids in a subservient position, which was a different form of objectification.
Owens firmly rejects the notion that objectification has decreased since the 1950s. She also addresses Nikki's earlier point about pill-popping in the 1950s, noting that women are actually popping more pills now. Women are having more opioid overdoses, and since 1999, women have been increasing their opioid use at higher rates than men. Women aren't drinking less or using fewer substances because they entered the workforce. Owens again tries to establish reasonable metrics for defining happiness, acknowledging it's difficult but insisting the available data doesn't support the claim that modern women are happier. Nikki is voted out before fully addressing Owens' rebuttal.
Freedom, Choice, and Financial Pressure
Whitney Shanahan arrives wearing a hat that Owens compliments. Whitney focuses on the connection between happiness, freedom, and choice. As a mother and woman, she argues that having the freedom to choose her destiny makes her infinitely happier than before the sexual revolution, when women couldn't get bank accounts, home loans, work outside the home, travel without men, or control their reproduction. She believes protecting individual freedoms in the United States is what leads to happiness.
Owens asks if Whitney went to college and whether it was purely out of interest or because she felt pressure to get a degree for career purposes. Whitney says she went to study art and expand her horizons, claiming that's why most people attend university. Owens disagrees, arguing that many people go to college because there's pressure that without a degree, they'll be failures. Whitney counters that everything is a choice, and taking away choices and freedoms doesn't make people happier.
Owens challenges the idea that people feel more free under financial pressure. She argues that most people go to college because they're sold on the idea that a degree will make them happier and more free, but end up in debt. Debt, she insists, is not a form of freedom. Whitney tries to redirect back to the topic of happiness and the sexual revolution rather than college debt, but Owens presses the point that Whitney herself claimed freedom makes her happy, and financial restraints from debt don't make people feel free.
In a surprising turn, Whitney suggests eliminating college debt and having free college in the United States. Owens enthusiastically agrees, calling it a great idea and declaring herself a champion for the people. The exchange ends with laughter and applause as Whitney returns to her seat, leaving the debate on a lighter note despite the serious topics discussed throughout.
Video Transcript
We're talking about freedom. You just
said that the reason why I feel happy is
because I have more freedom. And I am
saying that financial restraints and
debt doesn't make people feel more free.
>> let's eliminate the debt. Let's
eliminate college debt. Maybe we should
have uh free college here in the US.
That sounds great. Great idea, Candace.
I love that idea.
>> OKAY.
>> LOVE IT.
>> HI, MY NAME IS CANDACE OWENS. I AM A
PODCASTER, a mother, a wife, and also
the author of the upcoming book, Make
Him a Sandwich. And today I am being
surrounded by 20 feminists.
My first claim is that the sexual
revolution has devalued women and made
them infinitely less happy.
>> Hi.
>> Hello.
>> Hi.
Hi, I'm Sumaya.
>> Sumaya, nice to meet you. I'm Candace.
>> Nice to meet you, too. So, my question
for you is statistics show that 60% of
women who are murdered are murdered by
their intimate partners, murdered by
someone that they are in close relations
with. Uh that's according to the UN uh
from 2023. So, how is it that you know,
women are so valued, you know, quote
unquote in the home, and yet that's the
place where they're at the most danger?
>> Okay, so I'm not sure what that has to
do with the sexual revolution. Just my
first claim.
>> the sexual revolution gave women
>> to answer it. I'm just saying that you
know, if you brought in that statistic,
you are more likely in general just to
be murdered by somebody you know. So, of
course
>> But men are much less likely to be
murdered by, you know, their intimate
partners.
>> true.
Oh, by the Yeah, I'm sure because men
are less likely to be murdered by women.
Full stop. [laughter]
Yeah, exactly. That statistic makes
sense to me.
I'm still not sure how this correlates
to whether or not the sexual revolution
>> increased women's ability to leave the
house, women's ability to control their
own reproductive capabilities, women's
ability to, you know, control their own
like capacity within the workforce in
regards to their own sexual capacity.
So, it is the very fact that like the
sexual revolution happened that made our
access to the workplace much more or
just the public sphere in general much
more easy. So, like without the sexual
revolution, women would be much more
confined to the place where they're at
the most danger. Isn't that true?
>> Uh so, you think that just so I'm trying
to understand your argument here, you
think that if we didn't have the sexual
revolution, less women or more women
would be murdered? Are you saying that
women are
>> More women would be murdered, for sure.
>> Okay. Um I disagree with that. I still
don't think it has anything to do with
the claim that women are infinitely less
happy because of the sexual revolution
which has devalued women.
>> probably uh less happy if you're being
murdered.
>> Uh
>> [laughter]
>> Anyone disagree?
>> Okay, yeah. I don't Okay.
>> [laughter]
>> Okay.
So, what I just
>> You can You can try and prove like
>> Okay, well, what I'm just saying is that
there is definitely a correlation
between personal relationships and
domestic violence. And just to be clear,
if we're talking about just like a
monogamous relationships, the most
violent relationships that are on the
books are between lesbian partners. Yes,
when people are intimate they
>> that's not a true statistic.
>> actually true.
>> No, the statistic you're talking about
is people who have faced domestic
violence. Lesbians, yes, are more likely
to have faced domestic violence, but
that's because they typically came from
relationships with men in which they
were mistreated.
>> are the most violent relationships that
we have on the books. Specifically, they
can fact-check that claim. The point
being is that it's not exactly a
stunning statistic to say that when
people are in relationships, period,
whether those relationships are
homosexual, whether they're
>> But you're saying that the sexual
revolution
>> Let me finish. I've I've let you try to
explain how this is correlated to
happiness and I don't think it does. I
actually think you're you're having a
different debate right now. But it Yes,
absolutely, it makes perfect sense that
you are more likely in general when you
are in a relationship because people are
driven by anger by people that they know
whether or not we're talking about
boyfriend and girlfriend, girlfriend and
girlfriend,
uh you know, husband and a wife, a
husband and a husband or a wife and a
wife. Yes, of course, the instances of
domestic violence are going to take
place when you're inside of a home. But
the sexual revolution encouraging women
to give up their goods for free, which
is what I'm speaking about and
encouraging men not to to marry these
women or to have long-term
relationships. am saying is a direct
contributor to their unhappiness because
women are giving up their goods for free
and women are now entering the workplace
and that does not actually make them
happy.
>> Okay, pause. Sorry, you've been voted
out by the majority. Please return to
your seat.
>> Hello.
>> Hi there.
>> How are you? I'm Candace.
>> Candace, nice to meet Nice to meet you.
I'm Julian. My pronouns are they/them.
>> That's very nice.
>> [laughter]
>> Um so yeah, regarding to your claim, um
it's very interesting to think of it
when we just think about the gender
binary. Um it's, you know, how do we
place value on human beings in general?
And so when we think about, you know,
placing value that comes from a a place
of power, right? So I think let's select
like the Victorian era. You have this
dominant group of people coming from
white supremacy deciding who gets to
have um
a
proper status in the world. And so that
is already like place taking human
beings and devaluing them. And so what
the sexual revolution did was to help
people seek out empowerment, which
increased value no matter the gender. So
when it comes to sexual revolution,
let's look at one contribution is sex
education. I'm actually an educator. I
teach uh sociology and LGBTQ studies.
And I have absolutely seen the positive
outcome with the sexual revolution and
sex education and seen people empower
themselves and with that comes safety
when it comes to
decreasing STIs, abuse,
rape, sexual assault. Again, people get
to empower themselves of all genders and
I know earlier you mentioned about
violence amongst lesbians and sapphic
community which I do identify within.
And let's just again, if we can use
queer theory and take a step back, all
genders can be subjected to violence.
>> That was the point I was making. So I
wasn't sure of how her claim was
relating to what we were talking about
whether or not it makes people happy or
unhappy. Relationships are obviously a
ground where there can be violence. But
I just ask you a question. I'm sorry,
let me let you finish your Let me let
you finish. You go first.
>> I I guess I could just wrap it up by
saying like if we all have access to
like sex education through the
incredible work of feminists and through
the sex sexual revolution, we are able
to gain access to information and gain
skills to create an equitable society
and egalitarian within our relationships
whether they be platonic or romantic.
I'm so grateful for those feminists who
have fought for us so we can gain those
spaces and create a healthier society.
>> Okay, are you a believer in the
government doing everything that it can
to make people happy?
>> So when it comes As someone who teaches
in the public sector, I understand the
concern when it comes about what is a
teacher, you know, what kind of
information they're providing to the
students.
I do believe that we as a teacher I
should be able to
give that sort of information. Again, I
teach college students and one of my
claims is I believe that we should
mandate
sex education amongst college students.
So yes, I do want the state I would like
the government to
give us those resources so we can
implement that curriculum.
>> Okay, would you Are you consider
yourself a feminist, I'm assuming?
>> A queer feminist. There's There's dif-
There's variations, right?
>> What is a queer feminist as opposed to a
feminist just so I understand?
>> Well, like so I heavily believe in queer
theory. So, you know, the gender binary
that we understand, it comes from
colonization. So, as someone who is
mixed race, um family from Mexico, you
know, um
we have the muxe in Mexico, which is an
indigenous tribe. They believed in
gender fluidity. And then you have
European colonizers coming who
dismantled that. And now everything that
we understand that comes to gender is a
Western lens. So, from a queer
>> even think women exist, I'm guessing.
>> I think everyone should be empowered to
figure out their identity and explore
the language that best describes
themselves. So, freedom. America, right?
America, freedom. And I want to believe
in that when it comes to identity.
Everyone should have the freedom to
decide how they want to identify, as
long as they're not causing harm. But
that's where we get into the debate,
what is harm?
>> So, just again, to be clear, to go back
to this claim, we are debating female
happiness.
>> Mhm.
>> You are saying you do not identify as a
female.
>> I identify with all gender expressions.
So, from masculinity to femininity. I
So,
>> So, I'm just saying,
>> [laughter]
>> are you just saying that as as a part of
queer theory, you're debating whether or
not women are happier after the sex
sexual revolution? I'm just trying to
understand cuz it seems like you're
debating queer theory as opposed to
female
>> all genders benefit from the sexual
revolution.
>> You've been voted out by the majority.
Please return to your seat.
>> [applause]
>> Hello.
>> I'm Zena.
>> Zena. Very much like your name.
>> Thank you so much. Nice to meet you.
>> Can we start with the beginning? Do you
identify as a female?
>> I identify as a woman, yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Very well.
>> So,
let's start off. So, I I do want to like
get back to your premise. You're saying
that women have been devalued, right? By
the sexual revolution. This like kind of
presumes two things. One, that there has
been a loss of worth, right? For women.
So, you're saying that women have, as
human beings, lost worth. Women who
prior to this revolution sexual
revolution were worth worth more than
women today.
>> I would say that yes, women have
devalued themselves by becoming overtly
sexual.
>> Uh that's my claim. So I mean also
according to just and and let's not
remove this from the other part of the
claim, which that has it has made women
infinitely less happy.
>> Right. Are you saying but you're saying
that according to you women have been
devalued?
>> Not according to me. Um
according to the time in which people
are getting married, how difficult it is
for people to find a partner that's
willing to commit to them and I think
that's in large part due to the fact
that women are offering sex for free
because it was a main you know a major
component of the sexual revolution was
this idea
>> So a woman's worth is tied to her
sexuality.
>> It's not It's not tied to well
absolutely. If you're going to be having
multiple partners, you are going to be
devaluing yourself. I do
>> You're worthless as a human being.
>> I not as a human being just you know in
terms of trying to have a partnership in
a productive relationship. Certainly men
are not going to be clamoring to have a
relationship with somebody when there's
>> Okay. So a man
>> Um
>> A man's response to your actions is what
defines your worth, right?
>> yeah.
Um I would say that I would argue that I
think
what makes women actually happy is
family. So if you're interrupting So I'm
just going to interrupt you actually for
you. When women are
having sex with multiple partners, it
devalues them for men.
>> For men. So men define a woman's worth.
>> Well, I would say both of them kind of
define one another's worth because I
think the ultimate goal for people to be
happy is actually family.
>> Okay. So you're saying in all cases a
woman is going to be more fulfilled in
regards to family.
>> That's exactly what I'm saying.
>> And this is going to work in all cases.
You're saying there's no individual case
in which a woman can feel you know
fulfilled without being tied to other
people in case in the case of family.
>> I think there could be an exceptional
case for everything. I think there are
exceptional cases uh but I think that if
we all start trying to be the exception
as opposed to recognizing the rule,
which is that people in life are more
fulfilled when they achieve a family
unit and when they have children, women
in particular especially having aspiring
to children, then you were going to end
up with a bunch of people who are
unhappy because your job cannot replace
the feeling of having a family.
>> So, what you're saying is we need to
look at every individual case and see
what is going to fulfill you or what is
going to, I guess, essentially predict
your happiness more. Because if we look
at, for example, the the Nordic
countries, right? These are countries
I'm talking about like Sweden, Denmark,
right? These countries tend to be like I
think in the past 14 years they've been
ranked as the highest in happiness and
mental satisfaction from women, right?
And we see that they also have been the
most open regards to like, you know,
sexual norms and and you know, sexual
roles, right? So, and we also see that
there's less rates of like STDs
reported. Um we see um more um and
that's also due to comprehensive sex
education that's pushing those
countries. So, we see that when we and
that's like a direct result of the
sexual revolution, right? So, when we're
seeing that direct reports of happiness,
right? We don't have these same rates in
America. In these countries that are
more sexually open, why would we see
like those rates in those type of
countries?
>> So, I think you might be referring to
this sort of mass-produced study that
was a part of like a behavioral science
study which said that women were the
happiest women in the world were women
that were actually unmarried and had
careers.
>> I'm talking about reported happiness.
>> Okay, sure. I'm talking about the same
thing. It was reported happiness. But it
could be a different there's tons of
studies. The point being is that in 20
in 2023, there was this massive scandal
where they recognized that a lot of
these studies that were being produced,
behavioral science, was proven to be a
complete fraud. And they were unable to
reproduce these studies and they also
found that the data had been faked. The
data that we can look at that I think
shows and you can let me know if you
agree with this,
if women and under the imagination of
the feminist umbrella were really
unhappy when they were in the home and
then entering the workforce has made
women happier and infinitely feeling
more secure about themselves, we could I
think reasonably expect that there would
have been a decrease in suicide rates
amongst women.
>> You would have to go ahead and show how
that correlation, right, is going to be
a direct cause of women going into the
workforce.
>> Okay, well, how can we measure that? You
have to measure then you have to give me
a way that we can measure happiness. How
can we measure happiness? So, I I would
say suicide rates would be a good thing
to look at. Drug, alcohol consumption
would be
>> Of course, right? But we have to uh we
we can say I can say at this point in
society I don't I don't think everyone's
happy. I think there's a lot of things
that we need to reconcile society with.
>> I'm getting at.
>> Right? But we have to look at the cause,
right? What why are are these things
predicted, right? And and for example,
if we talk about men, there are a lot of
things we can look at, right? That um
that you know, tend to predetermine
suicide, right? But we can't say, oh,
these two things are happening at the
same time, this caused this other thing.
>> Yes, that's right. But I do think that
we can objectively say that women who
are are committing suicide rates more
than they were in the 1950s, like it has
it has actually increased marginally.
That's not a sign that the us entering
the workforce suddenly made us all very
happy.
>> of the workforce?
>> We've all we're also binge binge
drinking at a higher rate, we're binge
eating at a higher rate.
>> How is this cause of binge eating?
>> Because I think women are being put on a
pathway aspirationally.
>> going to have to you're saying you think
this, right? But where is where's the
cause? Like you're you're not you're not
you know, substantiating the claim.
You're saying, this is what I think. I'm
seeing two
>> You've been voted out by the majority.
Please return to your seat.
>> Thank you so much.
>> Great job. [applause] Great job.
>> [music]
>> Hello. How I I I'm Nikki. Nice to meet
you.
>> So, when we're talking about the value
of women on a societal scale and how we
view each other, right?
When you're devaluing us, you're
objectifying us. And and follow me, I
promise.
But rape rates have gone down by about
half in the last 20 years.
Right? So,
if you're saying we're less valuable
now, why wouldn't we be suffering at a
higher rate?
>> So, is the argument that you're making,
just so I understand, that because women
are giving up sex for free, they're not
being raped?
>> Every study shows rape is not correlated
with just sexual gratification. It is a
power structure.
>> Okay.
>> So, it is about objectifying and abusing
women when you rape them, not about
whether or not you want sex.
What I am saying is that women are less
objectified,
so therefore we are being raped less.
>> Okay, so you think that in today's
society, cuz this is this is pretty wild
for me.
In the 1950s, you're saying women were
more objectified than today in the land
of OnlyFans, the Kardashian clan, and
women that are essentially putting up
their boobs and butts for free on
Instagram, you're saying we are now
we've finally have achieved less
objectification, or women can't even get
onto an advertising, you can't even
advertise a bag without them having to
be naked in order for them to get a
career as a model, you're saying, "Oh
great, we've achieved actually less
objectification."
>> So, I'm uh
not trying to suggest that I think that
the over-commodification of women's
bodies is positive.
But, what I am saying is that when
you're going to the 1950s, that we
shouldn't put this glazed look of, "Oh,
it was so happy, we had single-income
households, and we got to stay home." We
also had a pill-popping problem. We also
reviewed as maids. Like, we were seen as
a house appliance far more than we were
as people.
And so, when you have that kind of
objectification where you are
in a subservient position,
I think we're facing a different form
today,
but I think that rape is a signifier of
a contradiction to your statement. Does
Does make sense?
>> Um it doesn't make sense, but I I I do
want to rebut it on a couple of points.
So, first, I just want to say suggesting
that objectification is has gone
downward since the 1950s is wild. That's
just a firm no. That is not the truth,
and you know that's not true.
>> Wait, so do you feel like you have less
freedom?
>> answer your second thing. Second thing,
you you then brought up, "Okay, women
were at home, but they were pill
popping." Well, it's you then have to
acknowledge we're actually popping more
pills now, right? So, we have actually
increased our amount of pill popping.
Women are having overdoses on opioids.
And on top of that, since I think 1999,
by rate, we are increasing our opioid
use compared to men. So, women are not
popping pills less because we're going
into the workforce. That's actually not
true at all, either. Or so, we're And
we're also, like I said to you,
consuming alcohol more and binge
drinking more than we did in the 1950s,
which is why I was trying to get her to
say we need to look at actually a
reasonable Give me any reasonable metric
of how we can define happiness cuz it's
hard, right? Are you happy? Yes or no?
>> you're Wait, hold on. We're actually
avoiding what my original point was was
about rape being the signifier.
>> Okay, pause. You've been voted out by
the majority. Please return to your
seat.
>> Thank you. Nice to meet you.
>> [applause]
[music]
>> Hi.
>> Hi.
>> I like your hat.
>> Whitney Shanahan. Nice to meet you.
>> I am fascinated by your claim that women
have lost happiness since the sexual
revolution, since the 1950s.
Do you think that there is any tie to
happiness and freedom?
And happiness and choice? Because since
1950s,
since the sexual revolution, women have
gotten exponentially more freedom and
more choice. And for me, as a mother and
as a woman, having the freedom to choose
what I do, to make my own destiny, makes
me infinitely more happy than say back
before the sexual revolution when I
couldn't get a bank account, couldn't
get a home loan, couldn't work outside
the home, couldn't travel around without
a man,
couldn't control my own reproduction. So
I feel that happiness, personally my
belief, is tied to our ability to have
freedom. And I think that in the United
States protecting freedom and our
individual freedoms is what's going to
lead us to happiness.
>> Did you go to college?
>> Absolutely. Did you?
>> Yes, I did. So you have a degree?
>> Absolutely.
>> Now, when you went to college, did you
go to college because it was simply
something that you wanted to do or did
you think that I have to go to college
because in order to get a job I have to
have a college degree?
>> I went to college for art because I was
fascinated with art.
>> Okay.
Just answering my question. Did you go
to college Was that the only reason you
went to college or did you think that I
might want to do something in art so I
have to go to college like for my
career?
>> I went to art or I went to school
because I wanted to expand my horizons.
I mean, I think that's why most people
go to university.
>> That's actually That's actually not
true. A lot of I I went and I think a
lot of people go because there's a
pressure that if you don't go to college
you're going to be a failure.
>> choice. Everything's a choice. So taking
away choices doesn't make people
happier. Taking away freedoms doesn't
make people happier.
>> disagreeing with you on the idea that
people are feeling more free by
financial pressure. I think financial
pressure makes people feel remarkably
less free.
>> want no bank accounts again? Women not
to have credit cards and that kind of
thing?
>> I'm not saying that women shouldn't have
access to credit cards or bank accounts.
You're putting words in my mouth so why
don't you respond to the words that I'm
saying?
>> Well, less financial pressure. If I
don't have a bank account, that's a lot
less financial pressure I guess, right?
>> financial pressure in terms of most
people that go to college and I'm
counting myself among them it's because
typically in order to get the job that
you're being sold is going to make you
infinitely happier and infinitely more
free, it just requires a college degree.
And most Some people, to be clear, have
to put themselves the majority of people
have to put themselves into debt. And I
don't think anybody would describe debt
as a form of freedom, right? I don't
think anybody would realistically say
>> Let's get back to happiness. So, we're
here to talk about [laughter] happiness
and how the sexual revolution and and
we're not talking about college debt.
>> I think it's important because we are
we're talking about freedom. You just
said that the reason why I feel happy is
because I have more freedom. And I am
saying that financial restraints and
debt doesn't make people feel more free.
>> let's eliminate the debt. Let's
eliminate college debt. Maybe we should
have uh free college here in the US.
That sounds great. Great idea, Candace.
I love that idea.
>> LOVE IT.
CHAMPION. CHAMPION FOR THE PEOPLE. GIRL.
>> [laughter]
>> Very nice. All right, return to your
seat. [applause and cheering]