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Charlie Kirk Debates 25 Woke College Students on Abortion and Trans Women in Jubilee Surrounded
Charlie Kirk, founder of Turning Point USA, enters the arena in Jubilee's new show format 'Surrounded' where he faces off against 25 liberal college students on explosive topics like abortion rights and transgender identity. The conversation quickly escalates as students challenge Kirk's pro-life stance and definition of womanhood, with debates ranging from biblical interpretations to scientific definitions of life. Watch as a conservative commentator navigates rapid-fire arguments, personal attacks, and philosophical questions about gender, chromosomes, and when life begins. The format creates chaotic moments as students literally run to chairs to debate, raising red flags when they want speakers replaced, leading to heated exchanges about murder, viability, parasites, and preferred pronouns.
Charlie Kirk Takes on 25 Liberal Students in Jubilee's New Format
In Jubilee's latest show called 'Surrounded,' Charlie Kirk, founder of Turning Point USA, stepped into the arena to debate 25 liberal college students on some of today's most contentious issues. The format involves students physically running to a chair to engage with Kirk, while others can raise red flags to vote speakers off when they disagree or want a different voice heard. The setup creates an intense, competitive atmosphere that often prioritizes speed and assertiveness over thoughtful dialogue.
The debate opens with Kirk's first prompt: abortion is murder and should be illegal. What follows is a series of rapid-fire exchanges where students challenge his definitions, biblical framework, and moral positions on when life begins and what constitutes murder versus justified killing.
The Abortion Debate: Viability, Parasites, and Personhood
The first student to approach, Juliana, attempts to establish common ground by defining abortion, murder, and the intentional taking of life. As a Catholic, she invokes biblical teachings about not judging, but Kirk quickly counters by asking whether society should prevent murder even if it means judging others. The conversation reveals a fundamental disconnect in how the two sides frame the issue.
Another student, Naima, shifts the discussion to fetal viability, arguing that 93% of abortions under Roe v. Wade occurred in the first 13 weeks of pregnancy, well before a fetus could survive outside the womb. Kirk challenges this viability framework by comparing it to elderly people with dementia who also require assistance. When he asks what 'fetus' means in Latin, Naima responds defensively, questioning whether this is a language class.
The debate takes a controversial turn when Naima argues that a fetus is technically classified as a parasite until it is viable, defining a parasite as something that cannot survive outside of its host. Kirk pushes back, asking if newborn babies who cannot survive without care are also parasites. She maintains that viability outside the womb is what determines whether something qualifies as a life with moral worth. Kirk counters that the fetus has its own unique DNA, distinct from the mother's, making it a separate human being.
IUDs, Conception, and Consistency in Pro-Life Arguments
A male student introduces a challenge about intrauterine devices (IUDs), asking Kirk whether women who use IUDs should be considered murderers. He points out that IUDs can sometimes prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterine wall, effectively ending a conceived life. Kirk clarifies that preventing fertilization or implantation is different from terminating an already fertilized egg. When pressed on whether women should go to prison for having abortions, Kirk says he believes the abortionists themselves—doctors who perform procedures, especially late-term abortions—should face consequences, not the women who have been 'deceived by mass culture and propaganda.'
Another student asks about cases where the mother's life is in danger. Kirk responds that in most medical emergencies, a cesarean section can save both lives, and that such procedures are actually safer than abortion. He maintains there are very few situations where abortion is medically necessary, though he acknowledges a growing debate among OBGYNs on this point.
Rape, Incest, and the Most Difficult Cases
The conversation becomes more emotionally charged when a student presents an extreme hypothetical: what if Kirk's 10-year-old daughter were raped and became pregnant? Would he force her to carry the baby to term? Kirk responds that he would want the baby delivered, using the analogy of two ultrasounds—one from rape, one from a loving couple—and asking which fetus has more value. His point is that the circumstances of conception don't determine the moral worth of the life created.
The student argues that forcing a 10-year-old rape victim to give birth would torture her for the rest of her life and destroy her freedom. Kirk maintains that 'the West does good after evil, not evil after evil,' suggesting that killing the baby would compound the trauma rather than resolve it. The exchange ends with the student making a personal attack, saying she hopes Kirk's daughter 'lives a happy life and gets away from you,' which draws applause from some in the room.
The Transgender Debate: Defining Woman
Kirk's second major prompt is that 'trans women are not women.' He defines a woman as an adult female with XX chromosomes and asks students to provide their own definition. The first student, Sam, offers a circular definition: 'A woman is somebody who identifies as a woman.' Kirk points out this is circular reasoning, like saying 'a table is something that identifies as a table.'
Juliana approaches next, arguing that women are more than just chromosomes—they come in different shapes, sizes, and colors. She brings up intersex individuals with chromosomal variations like XXY, though Kirk notes these are natural mutations on a binary and don't represent a third sex. Juliana then makes a virtue-signaling statement, saying her trans friend is 'more of a woman' than she is. When Kirk asks what that means, she struggles to articulate a definition and eventually admits she can't answer the question.
Parker's Social Norms Argument and God's Pronouns
Parker, a recognizable TikTok debater, enters with intense energy and rapid-fire argumentation. He defines a woman as 'an adult human person that has a desire to be in accordance with a particular set of social and cultural norms that are typically associated with the female sex.' Kirk asks him to define a man using the same framework, and Parker begins with XY chromosomes.
Parker then attempts a gotcha moment by bringing up God the Father, asking whether God has XY chromosomes. He argues that Christians use 'he/him' pronouns for God even though God doesn't have a biological sex, suggesting this is inconsistent with Kirk's refusal to use preferred pronouns for trans people. Kirk responds that God is above gender, omniscient and omnipotent, and that the masculine language used in Scripture is a translation choice. He points out that before the Incarnation, Christ had no physical body, but when God came to Earth, he came as a man.
Parker continues pressing, asking about phenotypical expressions and whether someone like Rachel Dolezal, who identified as Black despite being white, should be considered Black. He argues that race is defined phenotypically based on expression to others, but Kirk pushes back, asking whether there are objective definitions for race and gender or if everything is subjective. Parker maintains that all language is subjective, created by humans, leading Kirk to ask whether even the concept of murder is subjective.
The Format Creates Chaos and Personal Attacks
Throughout the video, the format contributes to a chaotic atmosphere. Students run to chairs, talk over each other, and raise red flags the moment they disagree with a point being made. Personal attacks emerge frequently, from comments about Kirk's 'creepy smile' to hopes that his daughter 'gets away from him.' The competitive nature of the setup seems to reward the most audacious and confident voices rather than the most thoughtful ones.
Kirk maintains a relatively calm demeanor throughout, though he matches the intensity when needed. He uses analogies, references to scientific facts like the 4,000 abortions that occur daily in America, and philosophical questions about moral worth and human rights. The students, meanwhile, often struggle to provide consistent definitions or logical frameworks for their positions, frequently retreating to emotional arguments or deflecting to tangential issues.
The Real Divides on Display
What becomes clear throughout the debate is that both sides operate from fundamentally different worldviews. Kirk approaches these issues from a religious and biological framework, believing in objective truth grounded in Scripture and science. The students largely operate from a subjective, identity-based framework where definitions are fluid and determined by individual choice and social consensus. These worldviews are so different that meaningful dialogue becomes nearly impossible—neither side can even agree on basic definitions of terms like 'woman,' 'murder,' or 'life.'
The abortion debate reveals similar divides. Kirk sees a fertilized egg as a human life with inherent worth from conception. Students see viability, sentience, or birth as the markers of personhood. Some try to dehumanize the fetus by calling it a parasite, while others argue for bodily autonomy regardless of whether the fetus is a life. The conversation rarely reaches the pragmatic questions about unwanted children, the burden on society, or the practical realities women face, instead getting bogged down in definitions and hypotheticals.
The format may have generated millions of views and compelling television, but it's unclear whether it accomplished anything beyond entertainment. Students came prepared to 'own' Kirk with gotcha questions and viral moments, while Kirk came armed with statistics, analogies, and rhetorical questions. Neither side appeared to change anyone's mind, and the chaotic energy often drowned out the possibility of genuine understanding.
Video Transcript
[Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] hello everybody and welcome to the show I'm your host eobi and today we're going to be doing a fun video a jubilee reaction and this is not a middle ground it's not a spectrum it's a new show they have called surrounded where they brought Charlie Kirk in to debate 25 liberal shall we call them woke college students let's be real they're not too liberal now interestingly enough I was considered to be the conservative in this show and Jubilee was like Hey we're going to be launching this new show we need a conservative to come and debate all these college students but they had one other person lined up ahead of me and I I literally told Taylor was like I feel like it's Charlie Kirk I feel like it's Charlie Kirk like who else could they possibly be looking for to debate a bunch of college students it's got to be him and uh it did in fact end up being him so that's what we're going to react to today of course we got Taylor in Nashville hey well I think it'll work out in your favor though cuz they got to have you on eventually and hopefully they worked out some of the Kinks with this format that a lot of people in the comments were a little bit critical of but overall I mean 10 million people almost have watched this thing by now so it's it's compelling Stu yeah this is a big one a big one indeed and we're not going to you know waste any time we're going to get right into reacting to this video we may skip a prompt because this is an hour and 30 minutes so we'll we uh we'll feel it out as we go without further Ado this is jubilees surrounded I think that uh yes or no question I think that a person who was assigned male of birth baby girl did I I I have it speed up only to 1.25 today I don't think assigned male of birth so people are not male at Birth I think that a person see your evidence that college is a scam my friend so what do you say in some cases women are murderers of course not they're not murders what's the difference between an IUD killing a conceived zygote and like a mother going to plann Parenthood and killing the petus in her room that was actually the best point somebody made it's not about the the cells it's not about no no no I'm speaking no I'm speaking no KLA Harris is here I'm speaking I'm speaking speaking no I'm speaking no I'm speaking no I'm speaking no I'm speaking hello everyone I am Charlie Kirk founder of Turning Point USA and uh I am surrounded by 20 woke college kids mhm [Music] okay my first prompt is abortion is murder and should be illegal okay starting with a heavy hitter okay now are you not embarrassed I could not I'm sorry if they did it surrounded and they were like Hey we're going to bring together we're going to have one liberal and like have a bunch of conservatives debate this person do you want to be a part of it and you tell me I have to run to a chair in order to I'm out I'm sorry I'm not going to be participating in that you know how foolish and and demeaning this is they could have figured out a better system than having somebody run up to a chair to go ahead and talk and you know like the most intelligent among these people is not going to stoop to the level of running to a chair to like push other people out of the way so you're just asking for the most like audacious you know faux confident people to to run up and engage with him so we'll see how that goes all right can I [Music] maybe okay hello what's your name Juliana nice to meet you to meet you can we get our terms right first yeah okay abortion is the forcible ending of the viability of a being in utero otherwise known as a fetus we agree that what abortion is okay yeah okay great and then murder is the intentional taking of Life different than killing or sudden death so murder would be the intent with intent taking another life do we AG that okay okay and then we agree that murder in general in society should be illegal yeah okay great so yeah no I do want to preface that I'm a Catholic so I think one really important thing that the Bible says is to not judge and just going back to the topic um I think there's a big difference uh between you know look at T Taylor said um like where are you going with this where you going with this the Bible says a lot of stuff and there's a lot of things that are you know meant to be put together in broader context and also I don't even know that you could give me the chapter and verse that is being referred to it's just kind of a very like you know low resolution uh argument that I see incoming so yeah my my eyebrows raised a little bit yeah I already know I'm not going to have fun with this one I'm not religious I know Charlie Kirk is very religious clearly we have some you know other uh religious folks who are going to be debating this back and forth and honestly when you get into like the crooks of an abortion debate it's just some people think it's fine and others don't and that's really the heart of it and I don't know like how much further you can go in debate like when does a life begin when is it ended is it constitute as murder is it self-defense all these different things we just you know disagree on whether or not you think it's fine and even I go like back and forth in my head over different topics that I'm sure will unpack in uh this debate as they go back and forth but it's such an exhausting debate to watch amongst you know many other topics that I'm sure we'll get into today cells in utero than a living breathing existing being and while um I do believe it's murder and that's just my personal belief right I don't believe in telling people what to do with their bodies that's not up to me and it's not up to okay so the students can raise their Flags when they would like a different speaker which is another I get it cuz like you have so many people here and you want many to be able to speak but like as soon as you go off the rails or you say something that they disagree with it's just going to be so difficult to get a word in edgewise as well as Christians to judge should we prevent murder in society for sure yeah I mean should be illegal but I think that it's really different right because you know these people aren't you've been voted off The ey [Music] my no not that face she's making name uhuh okay bone to pick before we even let this girl speak I don't know what her name I think it's Naima or something like this Notch y'all tagging me on Twitter saying Amala this is you in a different Universe this is Amela in the Multiverse this is leftist Amela right here I have the receipts okay of you guys saying this about me Amala might just be me but there is a striking resemblance here with me and this girl maybe we do look a little similar okay uh not this is you in the wrong timeline be so for real with me right we got a Super Chat just now too that says uh Amo this the girl uh with the dreadlocks is you as a teenager isn't it please we're going to listen to her and I'll tell you how accurate y'all's claim is that this is me in a in a different timeline I'll be sure to to let you know if I if I think it is okay nice to meet you okay can I just ask um at how many weeks do you think that a fetus is viable well viability and moral worth are two different things no but I'm asking you at how many weeks do you think 20 weeks a baby can survive outside of utero so it's actually 24 to 26 weeks it's 20 the youngest ever in a niku unit actually happened Sandy Diego not far from here and survived the 20 weeks okay so under Ro v Wade 93% of abortions happened in the first 13 weeks of pregnancy that's 93% of the abortions happened well before a fetus is technically viable as a form of life now here's what I'm talking about when it comes to the abortion argument you fundamentally disagree as to whether or not abor abortion is okay and for very different reasons and through very different you know Frameworks and worldviews so her framework is now viability his is a more religious framework about beginning at conception so it's like how can we even talk to each other about this we fundamentally disagree on the issue neither of these people is going to change their minds neither of the students that walk up is going to be like oh suddenly I'm going to appeal to your Christian framework and I 100% believe in God now and believe in the things you think about abortion it's just a very difficult topic to get any sort of movement on but that's not necessarily the goal here it's just to see who trumps the other now a lot of people are tweeting out she ate him up you know she ate him up and it's getting like 300,000 likes on like X and stuff so apparently this girl has some energy some Charisma she said something uh worth noting we're going to find out let's go into viability so what is it about let's say a six- week baby that has a heartbeat its own DNA fingerprint brain waves that is less moral worth than an 88-year-old right now with dementia in a home down the street that person requires assistance requires help what why is it that the six week baby is of less moral worth well first of all it's not a baby it's a fetus what does fetus mean a fetus is in utero what does fetus mean in Latin what the I'm sorry is this a it means little human being his smile is very creepy okay um smiling is creepy no your smile specifically but let's go back to I think we need to do like we should like we should have done a drinking game with this if a leftist launches a person personal attack on him rather than actually contending with the argument take a drink I'd be wasted I'm sure by the end of this and I don't think he's going to make any personal attacks on them it's really interesting you can watch as somebody gets flustered or they feel like they've been backed into a corner that they can't exactly get out of as soon as he ask her like what does fetus mean in Latin you saw the defensiveness almost like she wanted to bottle it up but just couldn't possibly she like vomited her defensiveness onto him is this a language class what the [ __ ] are we talking about okay just say very calmly you know what I actually don't know what fetus means in Latin can you enlighten me on that and let me know but they're automatically I think many of these students are coming into this space knowing like I have to one up him and Charlie is probably coming with that same energy you kind of have to be if you're going to be in a room with 25 people who want to get at you and really own you on these these subjects and it doesn't give way to very fruitful conversation but that's not necessarily what we want right cuz that's not good TV we're losing track here no but but is what species is the fetus the fetus is not a species yet it's technically classified as a parasite until it is viable now I want to talk to something I can't really get past that are you saying you're saying a baby is a disease or tumor a parasite is not a disease and a tumor those are not the same thing a parasite is defined as something that cannot survive outside of its host a baby before it is viable cannot survive outside of a woman's womb okay you birth a baby right without any intervention like no doctors no Mom to breastfeed that baby do anything how long does that baby survive without a host just because it's not physically attached to your body anymore that thing is not going to survive it can take in and it might live for a little while but it physically depends on somebody else to keep it alive it's an interesting thing that with the abortion argument because they are pro-abortion they feel the need to invalidate the the life of the being that is being taken away when really your argument should be yeah I mean scientifically it's a life I just think it's morally okay to take that life and here's why here are the practical reasons that I think it's okay here's the burden that I feel like unloved children or children that are not wanted place on society but people are not willing to make those arguments because of how it sounds but that is your true logical Pathway to justifying abortion and justifying a pro-choice stance not invalidating the fact that it is a life that is being taken because I it's just it's just a fact so we need to talk about why there is a moral ground for making that a justifiable choice and I'm wondering if any of these students is willing to actually go there and be honest and the fact that she needs she feels like she needs to make that sort of dehumanization argument to me is evidence that you feel the truth is kind of evident to you uh underneath it and and you know how how poorly founded that is but just before we get back into it I out of curiosity just went up and looked up the dictionary definition of parasite uh versus embryo and fetus and I'm going to read this real quick a parasite is defined as an organism of one species living in an organism of another species and deriving its nourishment from the host human embryo or fetus is an organism of one species living in the uterine cavity of an organism of the same species and deriving its nourishment from the mother this homo specific relationship is an obligatory dependent relationship not a parasitic relationship parasite is an invading organism coming to Paras to parasitize the host from an outside Source a human embryo or fetus is formed from a fertilized egg the egg coming from an inside source being formed in the ovary of the mother from where it moves into the ovct where it may be fertilized to form a zygote the first cell of a new human being so just a little dictionary definition might help us out in this one so did she eat did she eat I think she's starving actually let's let's extrapolate that is not a living organism our our old people with Alzheimer's and Dementia that are being assisted every day are they parasites no they're not parasites they're human beings who are on the brink of death got it so my my four-month-old that requires mom's breast milk and requires daily changes and feedings cannot survive without its own is my four-month-old a parasite your baby can breathe on its own your baby can drink water for like how long baby girl come on come on from its mouth to its stomach but but it can your B canat can it hunt can it gather can it reason but that's not what qualifies something as being a living organism being a living organism simply means can you survive outside of a womb outside of your host got it so I just want to make sure I'm clear why does that then equate to moral viability it equates to Scientific viability why under what standard because it is not alive and you are advocating for the rights of something that is not technically a life got it so what is is some while sacrificing the needs of the human woman who is alive got it so but a a a mom can survive yes without the baby in her uh right yes the baby cannot survive without the mom yes but a mom cannot survive without her lungs so it's not her body it's in her body it's not her DNA so it's not her choice so it's a it actually is directly her DNA it's just two different views on the matter I just don't know what you want me to say there are plenty of like very valid like pragmatic pro-choice arguments and I'm very interested to see how he contends with those um but that it's just not one of them just arguing viability I don't know it's not not for me it is 100% it's 50% of her DNA DNA he's going to win I'm telling you this this this this could take a while okay first of all do we have our terms correct we agree actually no so first of all I'd like to refine our terms two points to bring up after that though so you Define murder is like intentionally like killing a human being to Mur because break my a ofbody andev them from uning from killing my family I don't think I murdered them right so I would Define murder as the unjustified termination of a human life you're making a good point let me further clarify yeah I guess just if do you have two categories of murder do you have like a Justified murder versus an unjustified murder do you have like a lawful murder versus an unlawful murder it's an interesting point then so self-defense is very warranted exactly right I I can see where you're going to go with how that has to go with abortion but we can go down that for me in a second yeah so I mean like I I kind of do want to give you my argument and so far as why I'm pro-choice why I think it's Justified but first I think that you know your position is quite absurd right because you're saying that it is murder to kill a human being right at any point in development especially when it's in the mother's wom my question to you would be well does this make women with iuds murderers because it is the case that in some scenarios an IUD will allow for conception to occur meaning there's a unique human life there I do love I this guy's very smart you can tell he he's well articulating he's he's doing a good job he's looking at it from very unique angles I just do love the energy that somebody brings to an argument when they feel like they've like already owned you before you've responded and they're like giving their point out and like looking at you so intensely and all the stuff just chill like we can really like bring the energy down and just have a conversation it's not like and I understand the format does not really give way to that sort of thinking you're on a timer like everybody's watching you they're putting up red flags as you're speaking but chill but it will prevent its implantation intentionally killing it well no preventing implantation is not necessarily the same thing as terminating a fertilized egg for example if you take Plan B for again it's not it's not the same thing preventing the production of proest progesterone is not the same thing as terminating a fully a a being that has been fertilized you do not know for a fact that the egg has been fertilized you do not know that when even IUD okay yeah so preventing fertilization or implantation to the uter lining is killing a conceived zygote so what happens a sperm goes into the egg right the egg becomes fertilized it's a conceived zygote in some cases it will prevent the implantation of the conceived zygote killing the conceived zygote in some cases correct so what do you say in some cases women are murders of course not they're not murders we do not know for a case that's that's like saying that every so what's the difference between an IUD killing a conceived zygo and like a mother going to Planned Parenthood and killing the fetus in her wom well so you asking you're asking two separate things if they if they knew for certain to be more clear that I have a fertilized egg and I'm going to take a drug to prevent that fertilized egg from attaching to uterine wall then yes that is an act of killing or murder of course so then this is the other thing that we get into with the abortion arguments it's like if you take a strong stance on abortion people have to find like a specific instance where your stance no longer holds water and then people like are trying to like defend and Safeguard themselves of like oh no actually I I don't think that's okay so then I guess an IUD is murderer then I oh I think that just be like you know what there's some things that you know we're going to feel okay with and some we're not going to feel okay with when I'm like listening to abortion arguments I I'll tell you the ones that I um am more sympathetic to um when people are saying I want to get rid of IVF I'm like oh I don't know that I would want to get rid of IVF there's plenty of couples that need in Virtual fertilization and you know want to create kids and yeah that uh can lead to like a sperm meeting an egg and then that having to be uh destroyed that's just like a fact of the matter and that's something that you know when I hear about it I'm I'm sympathetic to that uh rape incest actual instances of forced pregnancy I'm like you know what I'm I'm sympathetic to that I will definitely hear out arguments in that case and I think maybe Charlie is on that same I don't think he's on that for his like own personal choice or like if his anybody in his family had that but I think he's like open to states that have exceptions for those things and then you know since Robie Wade has been overturned and it comes down to the state if I live in a state that says yeah you know abortion is okay and that is the way that the majority of people uh stand on the issue hey you know it's not a choice that I'm personally going to make for myself but it's down to the states and the states made the choice I don't know like what else you're you're going to do about it you know at the end of the day so we try to like catch each other on like the what about this one instance in 1965 where a woman took Plan B and she actually had a sperm had met the egg and that was destroyed and she technically had an abortion should she go to prison it's like dude do we really need to be going through this right now I guess we can talk about it okay so you think all murderers should go to jail do I think all murderers should go to jail I mean on the third on third degree murder however no I don't think women that got abortions or had iuds should go to jail because I think that they have been deceived by mass culture or M Mass propaganda secondly the people who should go to jail are the abortionists who are the ones that have been putting the abortion pill the ones that have been doing procedures the ones that have been going into the third trimester and breaking babies backs and inserting them with syringes while the babies are crying and suffocating being born alive and then being dead on the operating table that is who should go to jail oh that was actually the best point somebody made hand it's good that's nice okay whenever I'm talking about this discussion um I always go to the question of what about in The Case of the mother when her life is in danger because oh yeah that's one I forgot to mention yeah uh you know cases of medical uh just afflictions and things like that I'm a big believer I don't I don't know I'm still iffy on if I think gets a or if it's murder or not but even so I mean I don't want to say murder is Justified guys wait let me just get this one point and then you can vote me out give me one second um say the mother gets pregnant and she knows that if she gives birth she's going to die she has some kind of Health complication then what do you Doan section I don't know what that means a C-section they they they do an insert guys wait hold on just give me one second they go right they go right below the belly button and they deliver the baby and therefore she doesn't have to give birth it's technically birth but it's much safer so that's that's actually safer than an abortion procedure I mean yeah it it it's an option for some medical cases it's not going to be an option for all and then some women might be too vulnerable to uh undergo surgery and that's a whole another thing so uh I get what what the point she's making and I get the point that he's making sorry sorry [Music] Lily hello how are you hi what's your name Deen nice to meet nice to meet you um I would say with abortion I think uh it's it's very complic but I think the issue that I have primarily with your stance of being pro life that there's no Nuance um there's women who are being forced to travel hundreds of miles to access abortion care even in cases of rape in certain States that're they're not giving any sort of um allowance for that and I think um you know a lot of people who are pro-life they they say that they're pro-life but I feel like they're really Pro birth because in you know with Firearms uh the United States has some of the highest firearm deaths um wow all these red flags up what did he say that was really caught them Nations right and we can acknowledge that that's for children who are actually living and breathing um so I feel like abortion while yeah it is I can I can definitely see your point I I just think that it it should be allowed in some circumstan yeah great um I'm happy to get into the gun violence stuff later but I want to really stay focused on abortion you can see you can say you see my point can you see the world also where since we know it's a human life that it should be illegal since we don't allow murder in our society well that's that's that's where I have an issue because abortion is not being done willy-nilly it's it's like the life of the mother is always how many abortions do you think we have every day in America I'm guess I'm not sure I'm not sure guess I I'm I'm honestly not sure maybe I don't know a th 4,000 a day so it is kind of willy-nilly we have 1.6 sorry who's next was bored by that one okay um I just want to clarify the thing that you're aiming for is less abortion right that would be what you would want or at least no eventually it's also a protection of those that can't protect themselves but yes and that's why once we after the reversal of Row versus Wade we saw abortions go down dramatically in Texas Alabama Mississippi we saw thousands of babies that are now alive and well that are able to have amazing lives thanks to the reversal Row versus weight uh I don't think a lot of that is true um I don't think a lot of that is true I don't think that the overturning of R we weigh less led to less abortions it is but it's not true because when you make abortion illegal it doesn't actually decrease the amount a nice talking point in Texas the that's so funny when you make abortion illegal it doesn't actually decrease I would venture to say it does decrease the amount of abortions that happen now she'll say that people will go and receive abortions through illegal means or unsafe means and that definitely happens but not at the same rate at which abortion was happening under the law legally okay numbers show differently the birth rate has gone up yeah goes down but illegal abortions still happen abortions still happen outside of whatever data you're that's not true but let's just say so 40% so well if you if you want to well first of all if you count the abortion pill you're right but that's a separate thing than a chemic chemical abortion and surgical abortion are different things so I'm not deting I'm not I'm not debating you I'm debating her so if you want to do the flags and come back in try and be faster next time so let me ask you this so the question is we should try to limit unjust suffering of human beings right sure okay that's my position is that there's unjust suffering of anywhere between 1.4 to 1.6 million abortions a year of human beings that are being massacred in the womb and so that's not a woman's rights issue that's not a men's right issue that's just a human rights issue okay the best way to decrease abortions happening is proper sex education limiting abortion and making abortion illegal does not actually decrease the amount of abortions that happen so what is your evidence well it does so I don't know we can we can talk about the best way I and talk about whether or not sex education should be coupled with everything that's happening and I think I I I would totally agree with that um people need to be educated on uh pregnancy how one becomes pregnant what your options are once you do uh become pregnant and they need to be given proper Avenues to make choices that don't lead to unplanned pregnancy so I can agree with her on that I don't know like what is going to be more effective than uh the other but certainly yeah we should couple sex education uh with whatever it is we do going forward when it comes to abortion whether or not we live in a majority Pro Choice society which I believe is going to be what happens anyways because it's down to the States and that's how the majority of people feel so either way yeah sex education is very important what is my evidence of that because we have increased sex education last 30 years we've had no our sex education is so bad in America by bad what do you mean by that we have we have more access to birth control for young kids we have more kids that are learning youth birth control at a younger age we have more of that in our public school system and we've seen all the trends actually going in a negative Direction so in fact we see that the more sex education there is the the more disturbing those Trends are so you say that let me ask just one more thing you say that if we make abortion illegal people will still do it should we then just make gang violence legal because no I'm saying if you actually wanted to decrease the amount of abortions that happen you wouldn't be advocating for like to make abortion illegal you'd be advocating all does that logic apply to stealing looting kidnapping arson and murder well actually it does because those are results of different societal issues that you should be educating yourself on rather than making it AAL can we should we make kidnapping arson burgly it's just like arguments over like how do we make this thing you know how do I invalidate his argument and how forceful he's willing to be on making abortion illegal and then it's like how do I prove to them that this is murder and this is the taking of a life I'm waiting for somebody to come up and say it's the taking of a life but let's talk about you know if the millions of kids these unloved children who are going to be in broken households or whatever are born into the world let's talk about the burden that that places on society let's talk about how that affects crime rates and chronic illness and lack lack of education and homelessness and and drug abuse and all these different things I'm waiting for somebody to come up with that and and to hear the back and forth on that issue because if I were a leftist sitting in this position that's what I would come with and I think Charlie Kirk would maybe respond to that and say you know the typical argument well just because somebody is unloved or because it's going to place a burden on society does that mean that their life doesn't matter does that mean that we should be able to cut off you know that Avenue and then the leftist would say yeah I I agree with that and that's why you don't get anywhere on this topic I don't think it's a very very tough not to crack this one real quick we got a $50 Super Chat I'm gon to read we read those immediately this is from Chris T trucker says a and hey I was baptized uh Catholic at 13 turned Protestant in college then became an atheist well you've been all over the Spectrum there uh after several years I'm now unsure but like Fox Moulder I want to believe uh all I know is these leftists are evil and America needs a Revival to survive really uh a lot of different stances all over the place yeah calling things Evil saying we need a Revival but not being an unsure spot after going through the full gamut I mean it's interesting and I'm not surprised that you're here because there's a lot of people from across the belief spectrum that are here with you so thanks for chiming in Chris yeah you're on a journey my friend I don't believe that they're evil I think they're just misguided a a bit uh by evil ideology something like that murder legal because they're symptoms of something else we should be helping Society from those got answer the question we want less of those things should we just make them legal we'll get less looting you know actually I'm going to let someone else thank very I I want to hear what he would say like if what if a leftist is like well you know if you allow all these children that are like going to be unloved and like you know not going to be able to contribute to society and all these different things like there is going to be more stealing and looting and and actual like murder actual murder from their frame of reference hi Parker nice to meet you yes nice to meet you Charlie big Tik Tock guy here so like uh pedophiles people who were married to children in the past and normalized in that Society should they go to prison pedophiles like if you could go back in time would you put those pedophiles in prison that was that married those children because it was normalized they were deceived into thinking it's okay would you put them in prison you got to slow down Sor file should get I recognize him from Tik Tok and yeah this is his whole like Persona he's like a debater I keep I see him because he's always like on Tik Tok live deba people and stuff and he's very like this but it seems even more intense in uh in this video the all right slow down calm down I'm not a cop I'm not a cop good response the death penalty no so you'd go back in the past you give them the death penalty even though they were deceived into thinking it was okay but you said people who get abortions who are women shouldn't but it's not currently illegal okay regardless at that time at that time it wasn't no I would not go back and retroactively enforce laws where things were currently not El you wouldn't put pedophiles in prison in the past hold on a second when was it when was it legal in America well child marriage was legal in America throughout the early 1900s and especially throughout most of society for thousands of years especially in the Old Testament and in the Bible well hold on hold on a second so where where where is the levitical law that allows you to marry a child oh God get into so well I can't name the first but the particular conditions that are enlisted in the Bible are that you have to beat physical maturity and emotional maturity which is extremely vague and throughout Society has been seen to be met there is not a verse but let's kind of go back under your view what let's go back to well generally agreed upon it's 18 years old but let me ask you you don't go based on what's generally AG go based on the Bible I I say 18 years old but let me ask you a question's when does Life Begin conception conception great so good so should we protect our life at conception I care about Senti in life not so when do brain waves start do you think brain dead people should be able to pull the plug on like family should be able to pull the plug on individual got to answer the question when do bra when do brain wav when do brain waves start uh you can see brain waves around six to8 weeks which in brain dead individual there are brain waves as well so the brain waves produces objective experience are met until around can you see it from my perspective that at 6 to 8 weeks those brain waves will actually increase not decrease have allowed the process of development to continue did you know those same EEG scans exist in brain dead people that you don't think are but the difference with the brain dead people is that the likelihood of those brain waves actually increasing is very low it's six to eight weeks when by 15 weeks they can hear the mom voice it's irreversible sensation that's what brain death is I know that it's not coma but you're you're dude I can't with this energy it's actually create I don't know like it's creating a very anxious like feeling with myself like you guys need to chill and I think of course Charlie's just responding to the energy that he's bringing you kind of you get into the system of of matching but H dude chill out like you don't need to we're we're all here to listen you've got the floor dude you got to the the game of musical chairs and you got there the fastest you could slow down you're doing a red herring go back to not what's a red herring six a red herring is where you you avoid the topic and you say something that is uh adjacent or symmetrical to what I'm saying but not actually I'm saying you mean ofur that's not that's not a red herring a that is the definition of a red hering 6 to8 week baby if they're allowed to continue to develop what ends up happening uh at a certain point it will become a sentient being in the future the same way if I keep engaging in sex with my girlfriend there'll be a baby in the future yet I don't care about unless you're infertile which we don't know but so let's let's see let's see the the process of development right that was you didn't need to say that unless you're infertile which we don't know I don't know why you would say that so personal attack on his point he's now even from the girl making fun of the way that he looks um but yeah this energy uh not good and the people around them like oh he's eating he's eating like he's eating Charlie oh my God we're just waiting for our little our Tik Tock e boy to like get in there it's just like I see a lot of people echoing this sentiment in the comments like interrupting somebody and like Fast talking over them which is what a lot of people do in this space is not winning give it space like if you if the truth is on your side if the argument is on your side you should be so chill you said you should have such a calm demeanor in expressing that to somebody because yeah if if the truth is on your side the truth is on your side why answer my question why do you have the ability or the right should those child P3 go to prison the process of should the pedophiles Go to Prison from 1904 how many pedophiles are alive from 1904 they're not alive right I meant like if you can go back in the past hypothetically speaking and you could put them in prison would you put them in prison I would have killed them myself if I was alive back okay so then so then you don't apply it based upon what people are deceived to believe you apply it based woms think they should go Tois why women abs toison some my meanta clus be a constructive debate if you keep on talking over me I was finishing my Ste you were talking over me go for let me ask you a very simple question do you think it would be a good thing if we had less abortions in America um it depends on the context like are the abortions prior to sentience yes because all abortions yeah no it would not be necessarily better unless it is the case of the people didn't want the abortions and it would be negatively impactful to their health medically speaking you against late abortion uh after sentence yes okay so you you believe in an 8we abortion ban yeah no no no I don't I don't sorry I believe in an abortion B after 18 through 26 weeks okay that's that's a more reasonable position I have to give you credit for that it's similar to Trump's 15 weeks yeah so why why do you think that most people don't share your view on that um well people just don't know really know what sentience is there's not a lot of conversation about abortion and these conversations are very difficult like they're conceptually hard to go through dude you're making this conversation difficult budy you're making this real difficult but okay okay he's just said something that is a I think a pretty reasonable response as far as like a liberal versus a conservative he's saying 18 weeks on that's when I think the cut off should be we could have started there bud we could have done that I understand why a lot of people don't understand their positions on it I think people cut off I thought I thought we weren't cutting people off I was actually complimenting I oh now he's voted off okay well I wanted to see where he was actually going with the pedophile thing even if it is like a little bit of you know speaking around beating around the bush and getting around the topic but I I wanted to see where that was going to go but no whatever I'm sure he'll be back with his energy he'll be back are you nice to see you um so I just have one question there's like in any case you don't think there's any case where abortion should be legal again calm down I'm not a cup not a very very rare couple cases okay so you do think that a couple cases it is legal if if if cesarian section is not going to save the mother's life and mother's life is actually at risk which is debated amongst growing numbers of OBGYNs okay that is the only case where abortion should be should be allowed think but people say it is a growing consensus in the pro-life world that abortion is never medically necessary okay so if you had a daughter and she was 10 and she got raped and she was going to give birth and she no wait oh and she was going to give birth and she was going to live would you want her to go through that and carry her that's awfully graphic it's no but it's a real life scenario that happen to it's not necessarily wrong to be asking this question and to be putting him in the mindset of thinking through this hypothetical that is okay it's the energy that she's bringing to asking the question that makes it a little bit more malicious than it needs to be we can say like I want to talk about like these very vulnerable young women who find themselves in a situation of actual forced pregnancy you have a daughter how would you handle that situation within your own family it doesn't mean like what if your daughter was raped at 10 years old chill cuz it sounds like you want it like it sounds like you're actually want this situation to befall me with the energy that you're bringing yes the baby would be delivered oh okay great so I that's insane um but let me tell you why no hold on let me ask you a question there's two ultrasounds I have one is a baby conceived in one is a baby conceived by a loving couple which one is which which person which here was conceived by tell me which one was conceived by you don't know exactly cuz it's all human rights and it's all human beings matter it's but it's about your daughter who's has to give birth to it and it's going to be tortured by that for the rest of her life that's going to take away every freedom she's ever going to have that's going to ruin her life she's going to grow up and she's going to be attach the the point is how you were conceived is irrelevant what human rights you get when hold on one second if a person conceived walks on the side of the street it's not like they don't get First Amendment rights or second amendment rights it's not that the worst thing to do to that do the daughter is to then say hey we're going to go murder the being in inside of you they wouldn't even know like listen I think it's a very extreme view on on his part but it is a view that many people hold I I'm trying to put myself in that mindset of like I have a daughter and this situation has happened to her and she's 10 years old 10 years old I mean we've been talking about like transitioning children and all this stuff there's only so much you can understand at 10 years old I'm thinking about like just how horrific that is and how I would be able to sit with my child as a parent to fully explain the situation at hand to fully explain the options that are at hand and to hopefully place them in a position to be able to uh Express how they feel about the situation from the mindset of a 10-year-old that's already a very difficult thing I cannot come out and forcefully say I would force my child to like go through this situation and have the baby which I believe is a stance that Charlie's putting forward that it's an unimaginable situation and a really tough one and if my 10-year-old was like hardly was advocating like you know what I cannot go through this I don't want to be pregnant I have to I would have to hear that out it's like it's a ridiculous thing to to happen to somebody and that's what happens with these abortion conversations is like we leave out the like what 90 something per of people who are not in the situation of like rape incest actual forced pregnancy and then we Veer off to like this small percentage of like a 13-year-old who got raped at school and is now pregnant which we need to hear that out all day and talk about those situations and talk about the options for children that go through an unimaginable amount of trauma when that situation befalls them but also let's talk about like the 97% of people who are just getting an abortion because they you know had a little bit of Reckless sex and ended up with an unplanned pregnancy I pulled up from Heritage Foundation it's 1% of abortions are from uh rape and it's about a half percent from incest so it is important to realize that like for 98 is percent of the OR 97 and a half uh we're not talking about this issue so it's always like a very extreme example that's put in similar to how they use the inter intersex thing in the trans debate which I'm sure we'll see very shortly uh it's it's always these extreme examples and then applied to the the bulk of them which are really the thing in question 100% always the most radical examples and yeah it's a tough thing to Think Through I I can't tell you how I would handle that situation um but my my gut leads me to believe I wouldn't force my child to do anything that they don't want to do in that situation and I would try my best to extrapolate the mind of a 10-year-old to figure out what's going to be uh best for that child lessen lesson lesson but wouldn't it story say something evil happened and we do something good in the face of evil instead of saying we're going to do evil and then murder the being because we're going to we're going to we're going to Pander to the evil no what makes what makes the West great is that we do good after evil not evil after evil it's not about the being and the the cells it's not about no no no I'm speaking no I'm speaking no I'm speaking I'm speaking no I'm speaking no I'm speaking no I'm speaking no I'm speaking o she's insufferable oo wow wow wow just imagine IM imagine like you're a boyfriend or something you're dating this girl oh what a tough situation no I'm speaking it thank you so it's thank you thank you I'm not talking about that I'm talking about the person no I'm talking about the person who is dealing with the pregnancy I am not talking about the cells I don't I don't care listen the fetus the whatever I don't care about that right now until it is formed if there is if there is a 5-year-old child who is pregnant and the baby is 2 weeks can't get prant actually they have and they have given birthy olds have given pregnant correct there is one recorded case of let's see Lena medini of Peru gave birth via C-section at 5 years old talk about a radical and extreme example but birth is that is that is that common yes not it's common for 5-year-old to get sometimes and it's if they get pregnant I think they should be able to have medical access to something that could saved not only just their life but like their livelihood how many how many I'm curious how many I hope your daughter lives a very happy life and gets away from you okay so that is really nasty and people are clapping for that that's crazy so her her belief system just so we're clear is that the time's up yeah no I got it it's fine I mean again if you feel sound in your arguments typically this is not the energy that you have typically you are not not going to be this angry you're not going to be this temperamental you will be able to like remain calm uh and it does speak to maybe a little bit of extremism in your viewpoints even if Charlie is also being extreme in his it's insanely nasty and we'll talk again my next okay we're going to skip this next prompt it's uh I believe college is a scam which it is in some cases it isn't in others uh for these 25 I'm feeling like it is I'm feeling like it might be a scam for these individuals with the arguments we've gotten so far but we're going to move on uh to Charlie's next one which I feel like is more you know a sign of the times this next this next for partnering with us on this episode now let's get into it yeah my next claim is that trans women are not women trans women are not women okay of course boom who's up Sam nice to meet you hey Sam let's define our terms uh a woman is an adult female of XX chromosomes you tell me what is a woman I think a woman is tricky question for this Bunch somebody who identifies as a woman got it so that's not a when okay guys quickly when you're defining a word but the word you're defining finds itself in the definition let's restart let's rework it if you're defining woman and you put woman in the definition let's go back to the drawing board definition that's like saying a table is something that identifies as a table give me an objective definition of it's not a table is an object well tell tell a table can't identify as anything it doesn't have choice you have to give me objective definition of what a woman is if I decided right now that I wanted to identify as a woman I would be a woman hell yeah Sam Samantha am I right okay but that's not that doesn't answer the question I know but right now I'm a man right so if that happened right now I be woman once once a person makes the decision to identify as a woman got it woman that that's a separate issue what is a woman that's the definition no I know but you have to tell me what a person who identifies thems as a woman but you have ident how do you know that they are that thing how do I I don't need to know what they I can ask them if I want to know but there needs to be he's just not ready he's not ready for this one put the flags up come on let's get him let's vote him off the island you need to tell me what that thing is though somebody who okay okay we're not getting anywhere we're not no no it's important because it's like saying a giraffe is a thing that looks like a giraffe or a coyote is a thing that looks like a coyote it's called circular reasoning you have to give me a actual definition I don't have to I I did give you a definition no no no you said that a woman is something thinks they're a woman that doesn't give me a definition that simply what would you consider a definition then an adult female with XX no no no I mean like what what makes that a definition oh no okay poor guy that we don't need to say anything move on who's up um hello he was there first but give the seat to the lady that that would be the the leftist in you operating hi Juliana julana um I don't necessarily think that you can define a woman just by her chromosomes women are so much more than that they come in a variety of shapes sizes colors and I don't necessarily think that you can count out somebody who's trans just because they don't have a certain set of chromosomes there are also people who are born I'm trying to I'm drawing a blank uh inter so XX y or Y YX or just yeah like x z so so natural mutations upon the binary essentially right yes so but but they don't have both sex organs that both that both operate right yeah but that also I don't think necessarily works right because if it's X so you're either more male or more female right so you might have both a penis and vagina but there's never been a case of someone who can impregnate themselves okay I also don't necessarily think that uh works for the situation but um I also want to say that one of my best friends is trans and I would say that she's more of a woman than I am love that what does that mean what does it mean she's more of a woman than you are now this is just virtue singling that was a virtue singaling statement um she needed to position herself as somebody who is knowledgeable on the topic so I have a breast B who is trans that accomplishes that she is more of a woman than I am couldn't be more of a false statement but it makes her feel good to say that um and you know you'll hear a lot of women do this particularly on the subject of like transness or they'll say like trans women are more women than we are or they're more feminine than I will ever be or like some trans women you know play out femininity more and more than I ever could and it comes off as like a virtuous thing to say but it's actually them feeding their own egos they get to be a morally good person while also uplifting somebody who is in no way an actual threat to them as a woman because they are not a woman and women do this all the time they'll pick the most like vulnerable of their group the most downtrodden of their group the least threatening least intimidating person in their group and really like hype them up like yes Queen you're so gorgeous you're so this you're so intelligent blah blah blah I gives me a sense of moral superiority because I'm so good to bestow this like positive energy upon you but you're also never going to be in a position to threaten me in any way shape or form and you'll see a lot of lece women do this specifically with trans women because it achieves two things at the same time guaranteed your trans friend is not more of a woman than you are not scientifically not logically there's just no in no world is the person more of a woman than you are I think that women Define themselves by multiple things not just their sex organs if somebody asked me who I was as a woman I would not say I have a vagina totally fair no I think you said something smart so you said that person is more of a woman than you are there you're grading off a definition of something accomplishes Womanhood what is that yep I think it's well that's the thing too and I I do think that gets a little complicated right because there are social norms for a gender but I do think we try to break that right for sure but you said that specific friend is more of a woman than you are why I think she's a better person than me I think she Liv women are better people right she's a better woman than I am I'm not saying women are better people but no what what makes a woman a woman because you said she's more of a woman than you are so I want to know what that definition is right okay I'm gonna let somebody else go that's you know that's the thing I I can't answer that question I'll let somebody else go that is totally fair you didn't know exactly what you were saying you led with the feeling that you have towards that individual and it didn't end up working out as a logical argument and that's fine thank you okay all right part what a woman back a woman is an adult human person that has a desire to be in accordance with a particular set of Social and Norms that are typically associated with the female sex Define a man that are typically okay so he's saying a woman is a person who decides I want to be more in accordance with attributes traits uh a likeness that is attributed to women which leaves a lot of gray area because then you have to decide what those social and gender Norms are for femininity and then you have to contend with people who say that they are trans women who are in no way shape or form conforming to what are the typical feminine traits so what do you do with a biological man with a full-on beard who dresses very masculine but says I'm a woman and is in no way conforming to the social norms of Womanhood and femininity but claims that they're a woman I think Parker would validate that that person is also a woman you also run into this transmedicalist uh argument where there's a big debate amongst the trans Community a lot of trans people say you're not truly a transom until you're trying to look more like a woman until you're undergoing surgery you've got top bottom surgery you're doing facial feminization you're on on hormones and there's a different sect of the trans community that is saying you do not have to be anywhere in your medical Journey or in looking like a woman in order to identify as one so Parker has drawn the line in how much you are living in accordance with female Norms so he needs to Define what those Norms are and he also needs to contend with the people who are not living on those Norms you're looking at one XY chromosomes and okay do does God the father have XY chromosomes prior to Incarnation we we literally have a religion back to Bible back to Bible which is we're going to get you nowhere because so many people are not operating through that framework including myself but he's a father and he's he him but he's not a man we have a religious wa so a man is someone with XY chromosomes but he doesn't have XY chromosomes and he's still a man his prer it's actually very interesting in the original Hebrew Adonai do you know what Adonai is it's the Hebrew word for God it's actually genderless but in this in actually in the scriptures they use he right and they use the masculine Jesus Christ came to Earth as a man not as a woman not as gender gr and this has nothing to do with the argument at hand literally has nothing to do with the argument at hand let's go back to but God the father's a man right All fathers are men well first of all there's a trinity so God the father is neither man nor woman he is omnicient omnipotent he is all being on top so why do you use he well this is why I would have loved to be the conservative in this case because I can actually meet them at least on the worldview of of of engaging with a secular society because once you uh inject religion into the framework which is how Charlie operates within the world then they'll come at you from religious standards and it's not even standards that they hold for themselves or the worldview that they have they just want to inv validate yours so it would be great to meet them with a secular conservative who is also going to engage with them on like the the scientific uh nature of of the discussion which I'm sure Charlie will get to and Parker's just trying to kind of do the whole red herring thing again even though he claimed that he knew what that meant and Charlie didn't well I did not the scriptures do you could use woman you could say her you could use him but the way that the language is structured again it is so the God the father is so above gender it is so above any of our understanding glory and understanding again because you have to make a choice either he or him him or her in the Original Scriptures let's go back to I'm Happ some fathers aren't men and boys so I'm I'm so some fathers are not men and boys not men or boys I'm sorry some fathers are not male no of course they are I'm not wait so God the father is a male hold on God the father so where where do we get God the father from oh I can't I want to say things that I'm not I'm not going to say it but just the energy his face the this I'm winning thing that he's doing is just not what what Greek from your scripture well from ABA right which is a very close personal ter you're not answering my questions and you're bring up random language that doesn't matter well it actually does so arrogant he's so arrogant get down to the root of it because I CU he's not a man you know he's not a man under your worldview you still use his preferred pronouns you still call him a man Christ is you don't do that with trans people because you're transphobic that's why okay got it Taylor Taylor went what using God's preferred pronouns preferred pronouns is like a neoism a new word new idea about language that has been been introduced in the last what I don't know M mainstream 5 years or so and you're you're projecting that onto the writing of scripture and the way that Hebrew is translated in it it's just silly which is what they do and they did this with the abortion argument they're not actually going head-to-head with your argument or your view on you know life and abortion itself and whether or not it's a pragmatic solution to the world's problems they try to find a particular instance in which you have invalidated your the foundation of your arguments and in doing so they think that's going to somehow I don't know domino effect destroy the rest of the things you think about transness and women which it doesn't work even if Charlie Kirk looked him in the face and said yes I use God's preferred pronouns that doesn't then validate the human beings all around us that are asking us to abide by they them Starburst self Lorax self all these dumb pronouns it doesn't validate that but Christ is a man I'm happy to get into the sexuality and genderation not of the Trinity okay before incarnation there's no penis there's no X Y chromos there second let's think about it if that's correct how is it then Jacob saw the face of God okay so if there's hold on if there was n before the Incarnation how did Jacob see the face of God how did Jacob wrestle with God characters can have faces without biology how did Jacob wrestle with God so so okay do you think that he has a body well or was that a figurative notion of of wrestle that's a mystery of the scriptures oh brother this guy stinks get him out of here please well it is I need my red flag theology can we go back there only one flag so far what did you say there's only one red flag so far and it's because okay I'll tell you exactly why Parker is not getting the same amount of flags this group this hive mind group has already deemed him the smartest on the hierarchy so they're like waiting for him to go on they've probably all seen him on Tik Tok they know out of all the people who are there he's going to hit him the hardest and he's going to be the best just like maneuvering through the conversation and they probably don't they're not following a lot of the argument that Parker's making so they're not raising their Flags uh to call them out on it keep trying to Pivot because you know this debunks you what biology does your God have what what by well the one of Christ Our Lord but I guarantee probably the strongest and smartest amongst this group is somebody who's not even been in the seat yet because a smart person would not be you know battling out intell in this way or like fighting to sit in a chair I meant before Incarnation well I I to be honest I don't quite know and I don't think the scriptures are you don't know what a man is well you can't Define what a man is you know this like the face the face that he's pulling little opaque again you're looking at a man but your your video the largest video on Tik Tok is what is a woman 20 million views but you don't know what a man is under your own world view I said you're looking at a man right wait but father doesn't meet that criteria am I looking at a man okay good just make a man that's de beating you in a debate right now that's fine so let me ask you a question though so do you think that anybody can become a woman um I think that anyone who meets my criteria is a woman what's your criteria again again adult human person that has a desire to be in accordance with a particular set of Social and cultural norms that are typically associated with the female sex can Society ever be wrong sure but like it's it's it's a it's a desire to be in accordance with a set of Social and cultural norms can I black face no because it's not a desire that you have to be in accordance with particular because race is defined phenotypically based upon the expression to other people but there are a ton of non-normative trans people by the way so I don't know what he's talking about that it needs to be driven by some sort of desire to be in accordance with Norms some stand they're like sexually perverse trans people who have no no interest in being part of societal Norms whatsoever and there's also like this sort of like gender fluid gender bender version of transness no desire to be in uh in accordance with any sort of social Norm standard and then of course the people who just don't adhere to femininity in any single way but are referring to themselves as trans the sort of self-identified trans people which is another issue that has not yet been brought up judging that do you think there's a phenotypical expression of someone who's white and someone who's black like I see you're white because you're a phenotypical expression right so but do you think but Rachel doelle that said she is black and culturally black is she black does she does she have phot typically characteristics we would associ phenotypical I'm not sure what that word means it's going to be the like the the expression yes okay so she she she could pass as a black person wait so she doesn't have the melanin content she's borderline heavily okay so then she's not black okay so you're able to say who is black and not black that's how we Define it in society no [ __ ] okay got it so but is there an objective definition of who is Black wait language is all subjective Linguistics professionals indicate it's subjective I mean Charlie could turn around and say and no matter what you do to be in accordance with Womanhood do your chromosomes change okay well then you're not a woman so like where are we going with this if anything it makes more sense to be transracial than it does to be transgender because there's so much like movement and different cultural norms surrounding race uh and and so little when it comes to sex scientific sex language is all subjective yes absolutely every word you just used was created by other human beings that are engaging in conversation you might think it's created by God but even then it's still subjective now we're getting similar is the word and the value behind murder objective or subjective well I think morality is subjective but you think it's subjective to because it comes from God that's interesting wait does it come from God or independent of God well no it's of course it comes from God it's Transcendent sub that's subjective yes it is if it comes from God it's it's specifica
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