Candace Owens Stumps Andrew Wilson Live on Tyler Robinson's Charges at The Great Debate

[00:00] when you pulled out your phone just

[00:01] before you asked that question. Did

[00:02] somebody by chance text you that

[00:03] question?

[00:04] >> You can check my phone.

[00:05] >> I'm just curious.

[00:05] >> No, you can absolutely not. I didn't I

[00:07] have not had one communication with a

[00:09] single person, not even my producers who

[00:11] are in there this whole time we were

[00:12] here. You want to check my phone?

[00:13] >> I'm happy to do it. If I may ask a

[00:15] question, is is that permitted?

[00:17] >> Go ahead.

[00:17] >> Um just so I also have clarity since

[00:20] your basis has been evidentiary, you

[00:22] keep saying that you have evidence or

[00:24] like you are following evidence. Which

[00:27] one of the charges against or or all of

[00:30] them do you think Tyler Robinson is

[00:32] guilty of?

[00:33] >> Um the specific charge.

[00:36] >> Yeah.

[00:37] >> Yeah. So I think what I think is that um

[00:41] Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kirk.

[00:44] >> Yeah. But of the seven charges that he's

[00:46] he's being charged with.

[00:47] >> Yeah. Can we list them real quick? I'll

[00:48] tell you exactly which ones. We'll pull

[00:50] them up.

[00:50] >> Well, do do you know any of the charges

[00:52] he's up for right now?

[00:53] >> Yeah, of course. But I want to make sure

[00:55] that we have them listed.

[00:56] >> Yeah. But but like that's Can you name

[00:58] one? Because my my general perspective

[01:00] is that you don't actually care about

[01:01] this case. You're not following. That's

[01:03] the That's the question. You're just not

[01:05] following it.

[01:06] >> It seems pretty like if you're going to

[01:07] engage and you're going to say the

[01:08] evidence is overwhelming that Tyler

[01:10] Robinson is guilty. I just think that

[01:12] you should like Can you tell me one?

[01:14] >> Then let's do the counter. You can

[01:15] really Yeah, this is a great

[01:17] >> No, no. You just got to ask me play

[01:18] clips out of context. Put me in the hot

[01:20] seat. So, please just answer the

[01:21] question.

[01:22] >> Name all seven since you've been

[01:24] following the case.

[01:25] >> Okay, sure. You name You name one.

[01:27] >> Yeah, you named all seven.

[01:28] >> I'm happy to do that, but can you name

[01:29] one?

[01:29] >> Uh, I think he's I think he's been

[01:31] charged with murder.

[01:32] >> That's actually incorrect.

[01:33] >> Okay, great. Now, name all seven.

[01:35] >> He doesn't even This is like

[01:36] >> Name all seven.

[01:37] >> And And And I I

[01:38] >> Can you name all seven?

[01:39] >> I I can.

[01:40] >> Then do it.

[01:41] >> Sure. You don't have to put

[01:42] >> Do it. No. Do it. I'll count them. Go

[01:43] ahead.

[01:44] >> You don't have to put your fingers up. I

[01:45] >> Okay, hang on. Name them.

[01:46] >> Yeah, sure.

[01:47] >> Name them. Uh the first charge is

[01:48] aggravated murder because that's what

[01:50] carries a death sentence in the state of

[01:51] youth. No, that's not that is literally

[01:53] not murder. Okay.

[01:54] >> And so just so people No, don't I don't

[01:55] have to do it in a time limit. There's

[01:57] nothing going on. And just to explain to

[01:58] people the difference of why that really

[01:59] matters and shows that he doesn't

[02:01] actually care about this at all is

[02:02] because aggravated murder uh it's it's

[02:05] narrowly defined and because he carries

[02:07] a death sentence. I'm not I'm going to

[02:08] answer the question. You're just going

[02:10] to recognize that your strategy of

[02:11] thinking that people are intimidated

[02:12] when you try to put a time constraint

[02:13] doesn't work and you'll be better the

[02:14] next time you debate.

[02:15] >> I got it. I got it. Give me give me the

[02:16] other ones.

[02:18] >> If the more you cut me off, the longer

[02:19] I'll take. Do you want to just wait for

[02:20] me to finish of why that's a big

[02:21] difference so that people don't want you

[02:23] to list the charges?

[02:24] >> Yeah, I'm going to do that. You just

[02:26] don't get to pretend that there's a time

[02:27] constraint for me to do that.

[02:28] >> Well, how how long does it take you to

[02:29] list seven charges?

[02:30] >> I'm cuz I'm speaking. You just got to

[02:32] >> It sounds like you're just delaying it

[02:33] cuz you don't know them.

[02:34] >> I I know all seven of them. And I'm

[02:35] going to say again cuz you're going to

[02:37] get embarrassed. I You don't have to

[02:38] rush this. I'm also showing an example

[02:41] of a very flawed debate strategy. I

[02:44] actually under no time constraint.

[02:45] >> I got one.

[02:46] >> Great. The second charge is the felony

[02:49] discharge of a weapon.

[02:51] >> Uh the next two charges are for

[02:54] obstruction of justice.

[02:55] >> Okay.

[02:56] >> The next two charges are for witness

[02:57] temp tampering. And the final

[02:59] >> What's the specific charges though?

[03:01] >> That is them. Obstruction of justice.

[03:03] Obstruction of justice. Witness

[03:04] tampering. Witness tampering.

[03:05] >> Okay. W And there's no other specifics

[03:07] to them.

[03:07] >> Well, we I can tell you why he's being

[03:09] charged.

[03:09] >> No, no, no. Just the the charges and

[03:10] then seven.

[03:11] >> Yeah. See, the bad thing is when you try

[03:12] to be an a-hole and it doesn't work.

[03:14] >> What's the seventh?

[03:15] >> The last charge is uh violence in front

[03:17] of a minor.

[03:18] >> Okay, got it. So, then he's being

[03:20] charged with murder. You just say

[03:22] aggravated murder.

[03:24] >> That's the distinction. You just want to

[03:26] >> It's a It's a massive It's like you

[03:27] can't even You cannot say murder versus

[03:29] aggravated murder.

[03:31] >> This gets to the entire crux of why him

[03:33] being up up up for the death sentence.

[03:35] And I actually find the defense's filing

[03:39] about why this is not aggravated to be

[03:41] uh

[03:44] very compelling of why it's not

[03:45] aggravated murder. I actually think that

[03:46] if the state was going to even try to

[03:48] pull this off, they should have charged

[03:50] him with just murder. Um and then I do

[03:52] also again want to stress to audiences

[03:55] that that debate strategy of thinking

[03:57] that you have to speak faster or

[04:00] somebody puts your hand up and they try

[04:01] to pretend like it's some sport. I think

[04:03] he thinks it's a blood sport. It's not.

[04:04] It's about being right and being

[04:06] principled when you're engaging. And you

[04:08] can make mistakes. I make mistakes all

[04:10] the time, but at least be genuine in

[04:12] pretending that you care about this case

[04:14] enough to know one of the seven charges

[04:16] that are up against Tyler Robinson when

[04:17] you say the evidence is overwhelming

[04:18] that he's guilty. Um, if you would like

[04:20] to move to final statements, I'm fine. I

[04:23] want to make sure Andrew has had the

[04:24] time that he has requested.

[04:26] >> I think your team would like to pull up

[04:27] the seven charges that he just asked you

[04:29] about. If you guys want to pull that up

[04:30] just to confirm

[04:32] >> the seven you went through.

[04:35] Can you guys zoom in a little bit for

[04:36] >> aggravated murder, felony discharge of a

[04:38] firearm, uh, obstruction of drug

[04:41] obstruction, the obstruction of justice,

[04:42] which is counts three and four, five and

[04:44] six, tampering with a witness,

[04:46] >> and count seven, violent offense in the

[04:49] presence of a minor child.

[04:50] >> Yeah.

[04:50] >> Yeah. So, five, six, tampering witness,

[04:53] thirdderee felony. Now, I did notice

[04:55] something I just was curious about if

[04:57] I'm just wondering. When you pulled out

[04:59] your phone just before you asked that

[05:01] question, did somebody by chance text

[05:02] you that question? You can check my

[05:03] phone.

[05:04] >> I'm just curious.

[05:04] >> No, you can absolutely not. I didn't I

[05:06] have not had one communication with a

[05:08] single person. Not even my producers who

[05:10] are in there this whole time we were

[05:11] here. You want to check my phone?

[05:12] >> I'm happy to do it because you're just

[05:14] going to get double embarrassed. Where's

[05:15] my phone?

[05:16] >> Do you want to see it? I'm just curious.

[05:18] >> You can literally do that. Here you go.

[05:19] PBD, you're the moderator. Take it.

[05:22] Let's see.

[05:22] >> See if anyone was texted at all during

[05:24] this debate.

[05:26] >> All right.

[05:27] >> About the violent charges or anything.

[05:31] >> I'm looking through this. You give me

[05:32] permission. So, I'm looking at

[05:33] >> full permission to go through my phone.

[05:34] I don't need to cheat.

[05:35] >> So, the last one has nothing to do with

[05:37] it. It's just a compliment.

[05:39] >> Mhm.

[05:40] >> I haven't even read my text.

[05:41] >> That's a compliment.

[05:42] >> He's reading them. [laughter]

[05:43] >> You're okay. You're giving me

[05:44] permission. I'm just going to read three

[05:45] of them. See 11:32 cuz after that I

[05:47] don't need to read it.

[05:48] >> Now, you know, they're texts. Could have

[05:50] been Telegram. Could have been

[05:50] something.

[05:51] >> All I have is signal. You can check that

[05:52] too. I only have signal. Telegram I used

[05:55] in Russia and that was a download.

[05:58] >> I'll take your word for it.

[05:58] >> Yeah. I don't I don't need to like I

[06:00] deeply care about this case. I don't

[06:01] need to pretend care about the case. I

[06:04] just you know I have

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