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Charlie Kirk welcomes Pastor David Englehart to Freedom Night in America to discuss his new book 'Good Kills' and the spiritual battles facing the nation. From the Canadian trucker convoy defying medical tyranny to a satanic convention coming to Scottsdale, Kirk and Englehart connect current events to biblical principles. The pastor shares his journey planting a multicultural church in Manhattan that nearly imploded over Black Lives Matter lies, and why he believes the American church has forgotten that life is an investment from God, not just a gift. Their conversation tackles sexual anarchy, identity politics, the hierarchy of moral law, and why fighting tyranny isn't just political, it's biblical obedience.
The Rise of the Citizen and the Canadian Trucker Convoy
Charlie Kirk opens by celebrating what he calls "the rise of the citizen and the fall of the regime," highlighting the Canadian trucker convoy as a powerful example of peaceful civil disobedience against government overreach. For hours, Kirk watched footage of Canadian truckers pushing back against vaccine mandates that prevent unvaccinated citizens from entering grocery stores, moving between provinces, or crossing the border without mandatory two-week quarantines.
The convoy, stretching across the arctic tundra to Ottawa, represents working-class Canadians drawing a line in the snow. Kirk emphasizes these are the people who kept the economy running during lockdowns—those often taken for granted or dismissed with pejoratives. Despite Prime Minister Justin Trudeau fleeing and refusing to confront them, the truckers peacefully occupy Ottawa's streets, willing to accept arrest rather than comply with what they view as tyrannical orders.
Kirk addresses pastors who claim such protests aren't Christ-like, arguing that fighting tyranny and pursuing liberty fulfills God's promise for His children. He draws a parallel to the prophet Daniel, who ended up in the lion's den precisely because he chose to obey God over government authorities who conspired to forbid worship. The promise of that story applies to the Canadian truckers: God will not forsake His children if they honor His commandments against tyranny.
Satan Convention Coming to Scottsdale
In a jarring shift, Kirk alerts the audience to SatanCon, the national satanic convention scheduled for February 11-13 at a Scottsdale hotel. The irony isn't lost on Kirk that Turning Point USA struggles to book hotels due to being "controversial," while satanists rent out entire ballrooms without issue.
The event includes an "Impurity Ball" celebrating "bodily autonomy, personal growth, and the joys of sinning with abandon." Yet in a contradiction Kirk finds telling, organizers require proof of vaccination and N95 masks at all times. He notes satanists operate from a spirit of fear, while Christians shouldn't.
Kirk credits the local Catholic diocese for organizing opposition and calls for prayer, fasting, and peaceful spiritual counterbalance. He questions why Arizona was chosen, suggesting it may be because this state represents a spiritual battleground. One agenda item concerns implementing Satan clubs in Arizona public schools—something already approved in Moline, Illinois.
When asked about drawing lines on free speech, Kirk responds clearly: "I draw the line at Satan conferences." He argues the Founders never envisioned Luciferian conventions as fruits of liberty, and tolerating outward darkness has spiritual ramifications the Bible warns against.
Pastor David Englehart's Journey to Manhattan
Kirk introduces Pastor David Englehart, a board member at Turning Point USA and author of "Good Kills." Englehart shares his unusual path: pastor to lawyer and back to pastor, now doing both simultaneously. Nine years ago, after graduating law school, Englehart and his wife felt compelled to plant a church in Manhattan while he practiced business law.
Seeking confirmation, they asked God for five thousand dollars as a sign. The next day, family members called offering exactly that amount. When Englehart's wife admitted she'd felt they should ask for ten thousand, those same family members called back doubling their gift. Englehart learned that when God's stamp comes upon something He's placed in your heart, it means the road will be incredibly difficult—the bigger the sign, the harder the journey.
They planted their church in 2018, growing from 15 to over 100 people in a beautiful multicultural congregation. Then Black Lives Matter happened, and everything changed.
How Black Lives Matter Nearly Destroyed His Church
Englehart describes two groups: the actual BLM organization leaders and pastors in New York City making inflammatory statements like "the church is the primary propagator of racism in the United States of America" and "you must treat racism like COVID—assume everyone has it."
For a multicultural church, this created devastating assumptions: somewhere deep down, people believed others hated them, were using them, and their pastor propagated this ideology. The church began tearing apart. People whose rent the church paid, who got saved there, who wept together in prayer—all turned against each other as demonic doctrine divided God's people.
Church members pressured Englehart to address it. He resisted, knowing the consequences, but finally "cannon fired on the evil underpinnings"—narcissism, greed, avarice, socialism, and the demonic axioms behind those arguments. His church exploded. People called him, his wife, and even his four-year-old daughter racist based on absurd incidents like not greeting someone immediately.
Despite the church "basically sinking," Englehart began teaching truths from what would become "Good Kills"—biblical principles about boundaries, moral hierarchy, and how lies destroy the garden of hearts where people meet Jesus. The church went through a refiner's fire, and is now growing and planting churches across the country.
Life Is Not a Gift—It's an Investment
One of the book's most challenging concepts came up when Kirk kept referencing the popular saying from "Kung Fu Panda": "Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift." Englehart lovingly corrected him during dinner: "Life's not a gift."
Englehart explains there isn't one Scripture in the entire Bible saying life is a gift. Christ is a gift, salvation is a gift, God's grace is a gift—but life comes with specific obligations. God gives talents and units of life, then asks what we'll do with them. The servant who buried his talent faced consequences because investments come with obligations, unlike gifts.
We forget gifts quickly—no one remembers what they received for Christmas five years ago. But when someone invests in our business, counsels us during struggle, and says "I will do this if you do that," we never forget. That's the difference between gift and investment.
In Genesis, God breathes life into man, then immediately gives commands and purposes—multiply, spread the gospel to all nations, obey His commands. It's not "here you go, have fun, see you later." The American church has largely forgotten these obligations and mostly talks about the gift. In Romans 9, Paul says he would give his own eternal salvation for his nation, his race, those of his own blood. The Bible teaches loving our nation that much.
Sexual Anarchy and the Three-Part System
Englehart defines sexual anarchy as throwing off all rules and obligations to do whatever one wants. In Matthew 19, Jesus establishes a three-part system for human sexuality: He made them male and female (gender), joined in sexual union (one flesh), in a permanent relationship (marriage).
As a nation, America threw off these rules in reverse order. In the early 1990s, when no-fault divorce came to California, the divorce rate increased seven or eight times within two or three years. Suddenly massive numbers of boys and girls didn't have a dad or mom at home. Society said commitment could be thrown in the garbage, and the church barely pushed back.
Next came abandoning the male-female requirement for sexual union. Since at least the Obama administration, culture decided "you can do whatever you want." Finally, the foundational truth Jesus stated first—"I made them male and female"—is now destroyed. Apple has pregnant men emojis. At Google and many college campuses, saying "only women can become pregnant" is considered hate speech.
Englehart recalls his father asking when he was a boy: "Wouldn't it be horrible if you didn't know if you were a boy or a girl?" His dad wasn't predicting a transgender movement—he was saying wouldn't it be awful to be so lost, so without identity. That's the culture we're living in because we've thrown off God's moral order.
When we sin in sexuality—which is about creating identities—our own identity is ultimately destroyed. Recent revelations from California show teachers actively recruiting students into transgender identity. What began as a liberal movement for acceptance has reached its inevitable last chapter: authoritarian recruitment campaigns.
The Hierarchy of Moral Law
Englehart introduces the concept from chapter four of "Good Kills": a higher hierarchy. Christians derive hierarchical moral order from Scripture. Jesus said making little ones go astray would be worse than tying a millstone around your neck and throwing yourself into the sea. The Pharisees cared about bugs in their wine but swallowed entire camels—they focused on minute things while ignoring giant issues that incentivized themselves.
This teaches there's a hierarchy of moral law: some sins are bug-sized, some are camel-sized and destroy entire societies. Murdering innocent life sits at the top. All laws are moral laws—even a 25 mph speed limit reflects the moral value that we don't want to kill children. Almost all moral laws have religious underpinnings unless they have arbitrary humanistic foundations.
Kirk adds a contemporary example: aggressive mask enforcement exists alongside 104,000 annual fentanyl overdoses. Society claims it can "walk and chew gum at the same time," but if you think you can solve all problems simultaneously with equal effort, you're claiming to be divine. Hierarchy means triage—hospitals treat gunshot victims before common colds. Society and justice should be ordered the same way.
Instead, America has created an entire smokescreen controversy with zero relevance while ignoring what actually matters. Jesus warned clearly: you'll care about gnats and not camels.
Good Kills and the Boundaries of Blessing
The book's title "Good Kills" refers to the necessity of destroying cancerous ideas and philosophies for the church and culture to flourish. The ultimate picture is Christ killed for our good—the salvific image. But in certain environments, it's necessary for good men and women to execute justice on bad things.
In New York City, people are constantly pushed off subway platforms onto the rails with trains coming. Crime has proliferated because the government stopped executing the sword as called to do in Romans 13. It's not that they don't have the sword—their view of justice means police arrest a nine-year-old black girl at the Metropolitan Museum of Art for lacking vaccination papers, while murder, arson, rape, robbery, and assault go largely unaddressed.
The crime of randomness—seeing someone on their phone and pushing them in front of a train without even stealing anything, pure death for death's sake—represents a level of evil beyond even drunken bar fights. Yet police power focuses on vaccine papers.
Englehart preached three weeks on Sodom and Gomorrah while going verse by verse through Abraham's life. He discovered the city names match their kings: Sodom means "place of burning," Gomorrah means "place of drowning." The kings' names mean "son of evil" and "destruction." These are pictorial symbols—burning and drowning represent natural gifts outside the bounds of blessing.
A river inside its bed is beautiful for fishing and family time. When flood comes to the door, it's horrific. Fire in a fireplace warms and gathers family. Fire on the living room floor kills everyone. The picture of Sodom and Gomorrah is natural sexuality outside the constraints that create blessing—it consumes entire societies. America is in the midst of that consuming right now.
Identity Politics and the Prison Model
A young attendee asks how much identity matters. Kirk responds that the only identity that truly matters is identity in Christ. Paul wrote that we are neither slave nor Greek nor Jew, but all one and free in Jesus Christ. First Samuel says God doesn't look at the outside but at the heart—He cares more about things unseen than seen.
Identity politics and tribalism disgust Kirk. He offers a provocative observation: Where in America are we most racially divided? Prisons. In the place with the most fear, no possessions, no commerce, no speech, and maximum totalitarianism, racial division is greatest. Whites, Mexicans, and Blacks separate with little co-mingling.
Why? Basic survival in the wild. "As long as you look like me and pledge allegiance, I'll protect you." Kirk warns they're trying to retribalize Americans into perpetual fear and authoritarian control. The prison population teaches much about human incentives and fear-based control.
Only the teachings of Christ break us free from caring only about external appearance. The promise of the gospel is the only thing that will truly unify the country racially—and that's the one thing conveniently being destroyed and ignored.
Englehart adds that the entire book of Galatians addresses identity in Christ. The Judaizers said identity must be based on certain actions and political genuflections, but Christ unifies. Additionally, Jesus says honoring father and mother is supremely important. Modern culture not only hates father and mother but hates nation—the term "I hate America" makes Englehart cringe.
There's a connection between loving mother and father and loving nation, because both gave us life and incredible environments to honor and bless. The only commandment that comes with a promise and mentions country is "Honor your father and mother, so that you may live long in the land in which you are in." It incorporates both family and nation—no other commandment touches both.
Questions from the Audience
A remarkable moment occurs when ten-year-old Micah asks what to do with a friend who believes in witchcraft and Harry Potter-related material. Kirk praises his courage for asking in front of so many people. Both Kirk and Englehart warn that exposure to witchcraft and sorcery at a young age is serious—a child can digest an unclean spirit for years. The Bible is explicit about fruits of the spirit versus fruits of the anti-spirit, and sorcery is among them. They advise being careful about friends, as we become like those we surround ourselves with, and good company corrupts bad morals.
Another attendee asks about restoring normative values without becoming a theocracy like the Pilgrims fled or like what emerged in the French Revolution. Kirk acknowledges the Founders seemed to accomplish this balance for a time. They were clear that pluralism didn't mean accepting everything—there's tension between liberty and licentiousness (license to do everything).
Colonial states had laws forbidding behaviors like public drunkenness, derived from biblical principles about what makes society less free and less glorifying to God. The restoration is difficult, requiring the church to recognize salvation comes through the church while contesting for righteousness in government.
Kirk argues America is far from theocracy in one sense but very close in another—a secular religion now runs the country. There's no scientific, reasonable, or rational explanation for two years of COVID policy except religion of secular science. Their religious ceremony is getting the vaccine (like Eucharist), their virtue signal is the mask (like wearing a cross). This is biomedical fascism with religious fervor.
When organized religion like Christianity is removed, something imitating it takes its place. Kirk studies the left to identify their hierarchy: What matters when Black Lives Matter activists don't want vaccination? What matters when Kyrie Irving won't get vaccinated despite earning 26 million dollars? What matters when Dave Chappelle makes fun of the transgender movement? The answers reveal biomedical fascism matters more than racial politics, and transgenderism matters even more than both.
Kirk goes deeper: the transgender movement is an introductory phase to strip humanity and merge with machines—transhumanism. If people accept choosing any gender, why not accept an exoskeleton or machine components? This is what Meta and the metaverse represent—kids staring at screens all day. Silicon Valley's insistence on transgenderism connects to their endgame: if you stop being a man, maybe you can stop being a human being and just plug into a machine. This is documented throughout literature on their profit motives and control mechanisms.
The Dark Ages Myth and Natural Law
Englehart challenges the "Dark Ages" narrative. Plutarch, father of humanism, called that era the Dark Ages, and now everyone accepts that church rule equals darkness. This secular interpretation suggests whenever the church has influence, things get dark. It's historically inaccurate.
All laws on the books are moral. Every speed limit, every regulation reflects moral values—usually that human life matters and shouldn't be destroyed arbitrarily. These aren't arbitrary ideas from humanism and logic; they have religious underpinnings rooted in natural law.
Natural law points to a natural law giver. We know the proper conditions where human beings flourish and where they don't. This framework, largely forgotten, once guided the formation of just societies.
Critical Race Theory in Colleges and Beyond
A congressional candidate asks about Critical Race Theory in colleges. Kirk notes CRT is a top issue that confuses many people. His podcast has featured subject matter experts explaining where it comes from and where it's going, including a 59-minute conversation with James Lindsay, author of "Race Marxism."
Lindsay used to call himself an atheist but told Kirk on the podcast that the deeper he dives into these ideas and the more churches he visits, the more he has to conclude CRT is literally from the devil—there's no other explanation. It sows division, distrust, chaos, and confusion with constantly changing rules, all characteristics of a tyrannical usurper. Satan actually means "prosecutor" in Scripture.
CRT isn't just in colleges. What happens on campus goes to Congress halls and corporate boardrooms. In New York City, monoclonal antibodies are distributed based on racial preferences and quotas—white people go to the back of the line while Black people receive preference, regardless of medical need. The Atlantic recently published an article on how medical racial discrimination is ruining medicine.
The transcript ends mid-sentence as Kirk begins citing additional examples, but the pattern is clear: ideological frameworks developed in academic settings now govern life-and-death medical decisions, hiring practices, and public policy across America.
Video Transcript
stand to your feet everyone would you as we introduce our guest of honor put your hands together would you for charlie kirk one of the good guys right here charlie i love you [Applause] thank you everybody please take a seat thank you you know i'm so touched when i kind of go throughout scottsdale and phoenix and people come up to me and they say charlie i go every single month to dream city it really means a lot and it's it's a vision that has just come together and it's been so special one of the most amazing stories some of you might remember when we had jack hibbs here a couple months ago and we kind of had a pretty heated session about the vaccine about the mandatory vaccine and what was so amazing is that afterwards some of the nurses that were saying charlie i'm about to get fired i think one might be here um as soon as they came up and told their story if it was relayed to me correctly which i think it was uh they had job opportunities the moment they walked out of freedom night uh freedom square immediately it's just so cool to think and it's awesome so uh one housekeeping thing you guys can continue to keep calling this freedom square i hope that i hope you guys do um there's a really good company out there that owns the rights to freedom square and we don't want to get you know into a fight with them so for all intents and purposes for our from our standpoint it's freedom night in america now and um but you guys could continue to call it whatever you want see there it is okay got it all there but it's a night of freedom how about that so we want to continue to be magnanimous and building good movements and all that and you know god bless all the good people that are behind that great company and they're they're doing great work so a couple things i want to share with you and then we have a real treat tonight of one of the most popular and one of the most bold and courageous pastors in new york city is here with us tonight and he does such a great job and he is the author of a new book called good kills if that doesn't get your attention i don't know what will uh and david is also a board member at turning point usa we do a lot of different things together but first i want to share a couple things that i think are really exciting last month we talked about kind of a theme that is happening in our country that i think has only accelerated in the last couple weeks which is the rise of the citizen and the fall of the regime we're seeing that happen in real time and i don't know about you but the last couple days i have spent hours just watching footage so inspired by those canadian truckers that have decided to push back against tyranny i have just been so moved by that and look it's one thing for the french to protest they do that a lot right now i guess canada has some french roots but still the canadians they're very polite people you know that there's actually a lot of canadians in scottsdale a fair amount very nice very polite very agreeable people and it takes a lot for them to do what they're doing right now and this is why i always get so confused and dare i say impatient i know we're not supposed to get impatient as christians when certain pastors say charlie politics doesn't matter stop it cut it out i say really politics matters so much that when you cross a line in the sand or the snow you could get arrested for doing what you're doing right now in canada that's a big deal right how you form your government matters a lot to the body of christ the free expression where archer pavlovsky a pastor in alberta i believe or could be sus i think in saskatchewan or el i guess saturn is in alberta um and he has a church and he was warned twice by the government and they arrested him on the side of the street for having church and that's happening all across canada keep him in your prayers i think he's out on their equivalent of parole and you might be saying oh what are they protesting in canada why are they stopping traffic well let me tell you if you do not have full proof of vaccination which includes all the booster shots by the way all it's not it's not just the fact of the first two doses all the booster shots let's say you're unvaccinated of which i am i would not be allowed to go to a grocery store you're not allowed to you have to have a health ward and escort you only within certain hours so they could clear out everyone because you're such a danger to society you're not allowed to freely move between provinces you're not allowed to freely move between the united states and canada regardless of vaccination status regardless you have to quarantine for two weeks coming into canada and canadians being a country of only about 36 38 million people about the size of california they had enough and if you haven't really spent time looking at the story i know some of you have kind of seen bits and pieces of it it's so inspiring and so um quite honestly unexpected they started this long trucker convoy across the arctic tundra all the way to ottawa and what i love about it is that these are the people that make our economy work and honestly they're people that sometimes we take for granted that are at the back ends of pejoratives or slurs or insults like what are you going to be like a trucker when in reality the people that kept our entire economy alive when we shut down our country right without the truckers how would we have staffed our grocery stores and our our entire civilization and many of them are being forced to say that okay because a lot of them do routes between us and canada and they're saying okay in order for you to see your family you have to mandatory quarantine for two weeks regardless of vaccination status coming back into canada and they're they are drawing the line in the snow and still right now they have basically peacefully by the way which is always the way we want things to be done zero violence regardless what the prime minister is saying um they're occupying the streets of ottawa and they're saying look we are not leaving until you lift these tyrannical orders now some pastors are coming out and they say this is not christ-like you know and i disagree in fact i believe fighting tyranny and pursuing liberty is trying to fulfill god's promise for his children and this is an important thing because as we explore this we must remember that you know that the canadian truckers and them alongside they tried every other way to try and petition and reconcile with their government but in and they're willing to accept the punishment which is the defining characteristic of civil disobedience mind you these truckers say fine arrest us right now take our stuff you're gonna have to have the footage of all of a sudden you guys bringing in the national guard to do that very similar by the way to how daniel ended up in the lion's den you know we always tell the story of how daniel was in the lines then we forgot how he actually ended up in the lions then in the first place which was that there was a conspiracy against daniel to try to forbid him from actually practicing god's laws the commandments of worshiping god he made a conscious decision to obey god and not man open up the window to the city and defy government authorities and that was what got him into the lion's den and the promise of that story is the same promise to the canadian truckers which is that god will not forsake his children if you honor his commandments uh against tyranny and this is something that some christians do not want to admit there's some things there what's the best way to wear this um there's bad governments out there and they might want to crush your ability to congregate and to worship and so um it's not just in canada it's it there's this is starting all across europe by the way australia and new zealand and um i think that we have to do everything we possibly can to have their back and honestly i hope there's a freedom convoy peaceful freedom convoy that starts across america i would love to see that so it really is kind of that reinforcing theme of citizen rising and the regime being questioned and just seeing justin trudeau um try to explain this has been actually a master class in tyranny it really has been uh you know those master classes like here's how you could do it's like a master class and how to defy you know what the people actually want he flees he doesn't want to confront them um and it really i mean there's a lot of different words to kind of describe him that i won't use in church um but i will say that he definitely is not representing his people in more ways than one but it does kind of show that the ground is starting to shake it's starting to shake from the movement of all of you moms and dads showing up to school boards people starting to question people in authority i mean who would have thought the creativity and quite honestly the out-of-the-box thinking of a truck or convoy like a month ago we would never have thought it but it really goes to show that they're in the in the west there is a desire for liberty but you know despite what the media might have you believe okay one other thing i want to touch on here before we bring up david which is something that's happening locally now before i proceed this is not a joke but i do want you to laugh um because it's the only way you'll be able to process part of what i'm about to share with you but after you're done laughing we need to get serious about about what's really happening in our city and our state and our country we all agree we're in a spiritual war right we agree that everything that's happening physical is just a manifestation of the spiritual there's an invisible war that's happening around us that a lot of people ignore they do not want to even admit exists but you can start to see the diabolical nature of a lot of the programs that are starting to happen well some people call this satanic or demonic and i agree with a lot of that now some of you might not even know this but i'm going to inform you the body of christ what's coming to your neighborhood in just a couple of days from february 11th through 13th satan khan the national satanic conference is coming here to scottsdale um it's sold out february 11th 12th and 13th that will be hosted here at a local hotel now um i i chuckle at this because turning point usa has trouble getting hotels to host us because they call us too controversial but yeah sure the satanists like yeah we'll rent out the whole ballroom it's like it kind of changes the whole definition of what is considered to be controversial by the way you could fact check all this it's all very public um they they chose scottsdale for a reason they chose scottsdale because the former mayor of scottsdale he did the right thing but he's actually unfortunately i think backed away from it in some of his statements saying that the church of satan would not should not be allowed to make a prayer at scottsdale city council meetings that was the right move uh he has since said well you know this thing happening in scottsdale is just it's free speech you know that's what it is now this is an interesting thing to ponder on and i don't think there's a clear-cut answer of it but when thomas jefferson and james madison and john jay and alexander hamilton were talking about freedom of speech i don't think satan conventions were what they thought as the fruits of liberty like oh yeah the fruits of liberty luciferian conventions happening in the middle of you know really decent places to live and i'm going to go into some of the details what they're going to be doing there because it's important um so that literal like outward darkness is coming into the valley now some christians say oh i have no problem with this you know satan is in a lot of different places he's not everywhere the bible does not say he's ubiquitous he focuses on a certain place um yeah i have a big problem with this i think that if you tolerate evil especially literally satan conventions and conferences um yeah it it the ramifications of that are quite obvious right and the bible tells us that we should love what is good as hate what is evil and lord rebuke you it says very clearly in jude 1 9. so but this is this is an important point which is that you know some people say that we can't do anything about this because it's just freedom of speech and all this now there's there's a political and a legal standpoint of this and there's also a spiritual standpoint of this right i want to alert all of you so that you could be praying and some there will be a big protest in opposition to this i hope it's a big protest um and i do want to give a shout out uh the local catholic diocese has actually been on top of this i know that a lot of people here might not have warm feelings towards catholics but they deserve a lot of credit they really do they've been organizing about this and they deserve credit for that i would love to see a peaceful kind of spiritual counterbalance now here's some of their programming they have um the impurity ball that will be happening in downtown scottsdale this is their national convention right it's like their super bowl um and we should kind of mock them because they're losers we win and you lose in the end that's how the book ends so um so the impurity ball is a display of bodily autonomy personal growth and the joys of sinning with abandon right now here's where some people say oh you know okay this is just a fringe group okay well in moline illinois this very same organization is now having groups in schools it's been approved after school clubs and that's one of the things they're meeting on here in scottsdale right how do we implement more satan clubs in local public schools in arizona and across the country so your taxpayer funded dollars can go to underwrite satanic activity but but here's the thing everybody right they're all about bodily autonomy it's the impurity ball but they require proof of vaccination at n95 masks and they're required at all times okay so the satanists it actually makes perfect sense though they have a spirit of fear and we don't that's why they have to wear masks all the time right [Applause] so all kidding aside um from a political standpoint our leaders can decide whatever they want to do you know i i said something on my radio show someone emailed us they say charlie you know isn't it a slippery slope if you start to say some people can speak and some people can't where do you draw the line yeah i draw the line at satan conferences actually that's my line so thanks for asking right like that's actually the line i think it doesn't make us a better country to live in satan conferences um and if that's considered to be controversial we we could explore that i guess in the question and answer time but i do this to alert you and to encourage you to try to participate through prayer through fasting through you know intercessory uh intervention this is an important thing we should mock it we should laugh at it obviously but also we should take it seriously because it's because there's something here i want you to think about they could have picked any country any any country any state well let's just say any state it's the american satanist organization or whatever um and why arizona that's an interesting question right yeah it could be because the city council thing that really irritated them or it's like yeah we have like a pretty heavy presence in hollywood in manhattan we're going to go to the spiritual battleground maybe that's what they're thinking right and you i for one want to be part of a group of people that literally drive satan out of phoenix and of arizona and i hope you'll all join us february 11th 12th and 13th to do that together so on that wonderfully uplifting note um but it is uplifting because we know how it all ends and christ has given us victory right we do not have victory personally over satan but christ has given us the victory over satan so we should not be afraid of this but we should be aware and alert that it's happening and also an act of posture um i've gotten to know david really well over the last couple years i wrote the forward to this book it's called good kills you might be like come on what does that mean it's so thoughtful it's so unique in this book have have some truths that are not always talked about by the american church i'll tell you a fun story before i call david up here so we were traveling at a turning point usa campus tour and uh david was with us and just kind of checking in seeing how things were going and he says charlie there's a chapter in my book called sexual anarchy i'm like cool that sounds like a band like that's kind of interesting um and he told me like what it was and so then i went to the and basically what it is what we're living through right now right no restraints no rules no morals do whatever you want and you end up really miserable and the way you explained it was really thoughtful so i say it at uh this conference the next at this convention the next day with all these go so viral like all over the entire world um so i can i can thank david for that but there's there's a lot of truths in this book that i think are worth looking into and i think it will equip you to be able to fight the spiritual war and live a better life so everybody please join me in welcoming my friend pastor david englehart thank you guys all right david welcome thank you you've attended a couple of these right i was at the one with eric mataxis being not funny at all right so you got to tell him my stand-up routine was better than his um so so david tell us a little about yourself introduce yourself to our audience lawyer your walk with christ all that i'm a pastor lawyer um i pastored church in in manhattan all the way at the bottom of the island people always say to me i thought you were supposed to go like like from lawyer you get saved and then you become pastor how did you do the opposite way and the lord really divinely called me into the pastoral from the pastoral ministry into law and then back into doing both at the same time and it's really a beautiful time to be trained legally uh constitutionally with the battles the church is facing right now in our day and age and really the war to strip us of our rights our ability to speak about the gospel and about not just this great invitation to christ but also that jesus says it says in the book of mark everywhere that he went he said repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand and right now there's a war and they don't want us to say the word repent they don't want us to say these acts are sinful and they're against god's order and they're really damaging for humanity and so that so anyway all of those things i just feel like the lord really uh appropriated me and then equipped me for being in the middle of new york city battling the black lives matter stuff uh mandates all of these kind of things that are now really intense issues and so david your church has taken a stand you came out and you said the undertones of blm are unbiblical yeah uh and you kind of took a hit at that with you know hit for that at first yeah and you've also you're not checking for proof of vaccination at the door for your church in new york city um yeah you know you're you're not there's not a lot of you out there we were we were actually having lunch at our church because so many of our church people were unboxed they couldn't go to restaurants after after church on sunday so we just opened our church up for uber door dash deliveries and we're having lunch at our church just because they wouldn't let us so yeah so so tell us a little about your church yeah and can you tell how we met that story so um nine years ago i had just graduated law school and we i really felt compelled both my wife and i i've been married for 17 years three kids and uh we felt just this compel this compulsion by the holy spirit to go to new york city and plan to church and do business law at the same time not really knowing why or how so we were waiting for the bar results to come in and um is fasting and praying saying god you really have to speak to me and give me direction like i want to do this thing but i need heaven to stamp what i want to do do you know what i'm saying like we have a lot of things we want to do but we need heaven to stamp the time and the season and the place and so um i was asking praying my wife and i were sitting on a park bench i said i just feel like we're supposed to ask god to give us five thousand dollars tomorrow and she was like what i was just like just go with me just bear with me just as a sign i need much more than five thousand dollars for this vision but just that god would give us the signs i was like lord i said to my wife i said can i pray for this and just because you know it's a weird thing it's like like a fleece with water the non-fleece water it's not one you know it's weird and so i uh i prayed the spirit god i just need your confirmation and so the next day rolls around and my wife got a call in the kitchen and they said family members said hey bethany we know david wants to start a law practice in new york so we were going to give you five grand in a couple of months but we just felt really like we had to tell you today that we're giving you five thousand dollars to help you blah blah my wife looks despondent she looks like frustrated i'm like what's the deal i hear from god you know like be happy with me you know and i was like no seriously what's wrong she said i really felt like we were supposed to ask for ten thousand dollars i was like well why didn't you say that the next day they called back and they said we changed our mind we're giving you ten thousand dollars not five thousand dollars and so you know when the stamp of god comes upon something that he's put in your heart that means it's going to be incredibly difficult i didn't know that i thought it meant it was going to be incredibly easy it means exactly the opposite of that the bigger the sign the harder the road and god gives us those ebeneezers that stack of stones so we remember his promises and we remember his voice and say i know it's really brutal right now but god is leading me and jesus said those who are led by the spirit of god are the sons of god amen um so we planted a church in 2018 it took a few years to get the practice off the ground and get stable and it was beautiful multicultural growing starting with 15 grew to our first whatever 100 or so people and and had a lot of excitement and then the black lives matter thing happened and there were two sets of people there was the actual black lives people like the leaders of that organization and then there were pastors in my city that were saying things like the church is the primary propagator of racism in the united states of america they were saying things like this you must treat racism like you treat covid you must assume that everyone has it what does that do to a multicultural church when the assumption is somewhere deep in your heart you hate me and you're using me and the church and my pastor is a part of this cadre of the primary propagators of this ideology and so it just tore our church apart and my people were coming and saying you should talk about this and i was like you really don't want me to talk about it you really don't want me to talk about it and then i i just um yeah we talked about it and i actually just kind of i kind of just cannon fired on the evil underpinnings that are narcissism uh greed avarice socialism all of these kind of all of the demonic axioms that underpin those arguments and it blew my whole church up people were saying i'm a racist my wife's racist my children racist my four-year-old daughter this lady was like i know you're racist because your four-year-old daughter i walked into the room one day and i'm black and she didn't say hi to me but she said hi to the white lady so i know you train your children to be racist now listen i know it sounds totally insane but this is what people were deeply believing people whose rent we were paying people that got saved in our church people that were being that were weeping with us over prayer this demonic doctrine was tearing apart the people of god and um and our church was basically sinking and but then i just i just started i started talking about some of this stuff in in the book good kills that you know in revelation 21 the scripture says that heaven has ball around it one of our favorite chapters people don't like it when david says that at all you know heaven has a wall around it a gigantic wall many thousand miles long hugely tall hugely thick why would heaven ever need a wall well it says it it says to keep out the things that are vile and gross and and and then it says and that no lie may enter it because the kingdom of heaven cannot apply god's moral system on top of lies it doesn't work it breaks the axiom and that's how satan destroys the garden right with eve's cooperation and adam's cooperation by inserting lies into a perfect place and when these pastors were standing up and saying things like the church as the primary propagator of races in the united states these lies were being embedded into the hearts of christian and their whole the garden of their hearts where they met with jesus was being torn apart and so we wrote a book called good kills well and i just want to compliment uh david he could have backed down through all the blm stuff and your church is growing now you're planting churches across the country yeah it was kind of a refiner's fire a little bit of it you know kind of seeing who's really on your team and then expanding it outward um so let's talk about the book so i love it it's good kills and we have some copies out in the lobby uh afterwards for you guys um to pick up the contribution of any don't any amount at all the turning point you guys can get a copy god good and the sword so first good kills i'm gonna play devil's advocate here because it's a lot more fun what do you mean good kills i mean good is every i mean good lid good heels right it's the opposite well that's a great that's a great uh starting point good good heels and so if a patient has cancer and that cancer is eating their body and consuming them the doctor must go in with a scalpel and remove the cancerous parts and in our church and in our culture there are cancerous ideas there are cancerous philosophies and doctrines even in the church that must actually be destroyed for the church to flourish as god's called it to flourish so so how do you define good then i guess that's something a question would be to say like what in what way does does good actually end up killing yeah so so part of the application i mean the the ultimate picture here is that christ was killed for us for our good right that's the ultimate salvific picture uh but the idea is not that good is always running around shooting people the the idea is that in certain environments uh it is necessary for a good man or woman to execute justice on bad things in the world and in our culture i mean we see it with especially in a city like mine i mean people are getting pushed off the the subway tracks or the platforms onto the the the rails with the subway coming all the time it's happening all the time like my family and i have do not use the subway unless we have to because the amount of crime that's proliferated there because the government has stopped being good they've stopped executing the sword as they're called to do and authorized by god in romans chapter 13 and it's not that they don't have the sword right right it's that their view of justice this is a real thing is that the new york police went to the new york museum of metropolitan art or whatever they call it right and they detained and arrested a nine-year-old black girl because she did not have her vaccination papers right so the police power in new york city is arresting people that are going to restaurants because they don't have the proper vaccination records or papers meanwhile murder arson rape robbery assault and the graphic crime of a totally innocent by the way i want you to think about i mean this idea that all crimes are equal is one of the dumbest anti-biblical ideas ever right i want you to think about the crime of randomness now i'm not excusing any part of crime right but if you get in a heated argument with somebody and you punch them in a bar fight and you're drunk and they're drunk at 2 am that's bad but here's something that is so evil you see a random citizen on their iphone with their headphones on right up to the train platform and you just say i'm gonna go push him in front of a train you don't know that person get this you don't even steal anything from them it's just pure death it's happening all the time in new york and what's the police power doing going after nine-year-olds that don't have their vaccination records right right so this is one of the ideas i uh on chapter four the book is called a higher hierarchy and this idea is that we as christians derive a hierarchical moral order from the scripture i was on i was on the call shortly after i met charlie and got swept into the world of conservative saving america which thank god do you remember when i was a kid like when the american anthem came on i like stood up were you anybody else like that you're kind of like that's that's my song you know so excited to be serving uh turning point with charlie i was on a i got invited on a podcast shortly after charlie and i connected and they were looking for pastors any pastors who some voted for candidate and someone voted for candidate b and i said they they i was the only guy that they found that voted for the guy that was pro not murdering babies it was like really hard to find other pastors believe it or not that are not pro chopping up babies and so this guy gets on and he's trying to ask me all these questions and hardball it and i said listen i believe in a hierarchy of moral order because jesus said if you make one of these little ones go astray it'll be worse for you than tying a millstone around your neck and throwing yourself into the bottom of the sea right jesus said this is what the pharisees do they care about the bugs in their wine but they swallow entire camels down he said they care about the really minut things of the law that don't matter the giant issues they don't care at all about because they they they care about the things that incentivize themselves and so because of that we're we learn that there's a hierarchy of moral law that some sins are bug sins they're gross please don't eat a lot of bugs please don't do that right and some are camel size sins that destroy an entire society and murdering an innocent life is at the top of the hierarchy of moral order it's very simple well and it's even worse than that and david you would agree not just murdering the innocent life but saying that god's okay with it that's even worse right so that is doing evil in the name of god yeah right yeah it's it's it's an evil it's even worse violation of that and an example is how many people i'm sure a lot of people here have had a rather aggressive enforcement of mask wearing posture right it's a very important thing for the current regime of how you wear your mask what type of mask it is and at some point you know i recently i just kind of turned like you know there's 104 000 fentanyl overdoses every single year like just focus on that thanks like i'm gonna wear my mask where i want to like right you know and you people say oh that's totally irrelevant you can walk and chew gum at the same time you know that's a really interesting point isn't it which is that if you think you could solve all the problems simultaneously the same effort energy and money well then you think you're some form of a divine figure the idea of hierarchy means that it's a triage and this is why hospitals do that right gunshot victims get treated before someone that has the common cold and a society should be ordered in the same way and justice should be ordered in the same way right and it's even worse than that it's not like we're saying like oh yeah the wearing mask thing is important but we shouldn't get to it it's the opposite of actually it's completely irrelevant it's like we've created this entire smokescreen controversy where we're just shadow boxing something has no rel like zero relevance whatsoever when it's like oh yeah we're and jesus said it so clearly right you're going to care about the gnats and not the camels um and why do you think that is david what do you think's the deeper point is is that attacked by the enemy to try to get us distracted why is that yeah i mean there's a couple issues i think one of the one of the reasons that is is because we don't read our bibles enough i mean to be perfectly honest with you when i when i when i hear these guys talk about like why they're mixing up god's hierarchy they're literally not reading their bibles like they're not focusing on what the scripture actually says what's essential um the westminster catechism longer one it says that in the old testament there were more laws that there were ceremonial laws and that there were civil laws it says that those civil laws were done away with when jesus came and rose from the dead and the nation of israel ended but it says that those civil laws are to be used by us in society for the general equity thereof what does that mean it gives us wisdom it gives us god's paradigm and ideas for things that are really important and things that are not important do you have do you know this do you know that there are no prisons established in the old testament by the people of god zero zero do you know that god doesn't say okay this guy like stole somebody's camel throw him in a box for like 20 years and then he'll be better when he gets do you know why that is because god values freedom god values freedom over safety oh my gosh what if you what if he steals another camel well then we'll deal with that instance god actually has a higher value on freedom than he does on safety which is why he allows a snake in the garden which is he why he allows things in our life to buffet us and turn us into the nature and character of christ but some of these laws that the catechisms tell us and that we originally based our civil law on are forgotten so we're just randomly trying ideas and hoping they work so one of them and david lovingly corrected me this is how you know he's a great pastor is i kept on saying over and over again ended up being a chapter in his book this is how big of a correction it was for me and you guys all remember the the very deep and well thought out uh hollywood movie kung fu panda you guys all remember that movie right it's very important in the western canon especially in millennial philosophical development right right where um there's this scene where is he like a koala or something or turtle turtle that's way that shows how recently i've watched it uh and he's kind of like the yoda figure right the archetype uh in kind of young's hierarchy of he's the conveyor of wisdom right kind of a gandalf figure a dumbledore figure right he's saying things that are true that end up being really true later in the series and so he's kind of the person that corrects the hero on his journey and he says something that many young people believe including myself because i never thought deeply about it where he says do not worry about tomorrow or very yesterday worry about the present because today is a gift i paraphrased it correctly and you've heard this before right that life is a gift life is a gift and so david you know kind of in his amazing way when we were having dinner once i don't know where hey charlie by the way life's not a gift what david explain so you know it's so funny because there's a there's a joke and i'm gonna get it wrong but um these two young fish walk up to this old fish and and the fish uh the old fish is like he gives them a piece of wisdom and he's like when you guys are older you'll understand you know the different temperatures of the water and the one young fish turns to his buddy and says what the heck is water right you get there because you don't know what you're swimming in you don't know the ideas and the culture that you're living in because we're so inundated with this idea do you know this there is not one scripture in the entire bible that says life is a gift not one single scripture christ is a gift salvation is a gift the grace of god is a gift but life actually comes with specific uh obligation god gives them to you and then he says i'm giving you these things talents units of life what will you do with them like the guy that buries them remember it doesn't go well for him because it's not just a gif if my dad just says hey david you know listen here's a here's a trombone and i'm like thanks dad love it i'm gonna polish it keep it on the mantel cause i love you but i'm not playing a trombone i don't want to do it you know that's fine it doesn't matter it's a gift i can treat it however i want to but an investment comes with specific obligations and god invests into us life in genesis god breathes into men and breath the life of god comes into man and then god says to mankind these are the things i want you to do he doesn't say do whatever you want i'll see in a couple and 120. he doesn't say that but we live life even as christians believing that i can do whatever i want to do as long as i don't sin that much but that's not what god says ever in the story anywhere he's saying there's a kingdom that i want you to see or i want to see you bring to earth to bring dominion to save the nation that i've given you you know romans chapter 9 paul says this he says i would give my salvation my eternal salvation for my nation for my race for those of my own blood do you know the bible teaches us to love our nation that much that we would have such a broken heart for our home that we would say god i would give my own salvation for america i would give my own salvation for the people that you give that you've given me that are mine all of these things are obligation that god places upon us now because of christians we have grace in christ jesus which is the greatest gift of all time and that's clearly stated in the book but we live in a church culture that's mostly forgotten the obligations and mostly talks about the gift and and this really came home to me where can someone tell me everything they got for christmas five years ago no you forget birthday gifts christmas gifts really quickly things that don't come with strings you don't take seriously you don't i couldn't remember i got for christmas even like a year and a half ago right but those of you that have ever had someone do the following counsel you invest in your business sit down and help you in a time of struggle and say i will do this if you do that you'll never forget that that's a difference between a gift and an investment now some of it might be semantics right you're like okay charlie you're talking on the edges but is it right when we when we talk about the root cause of it it's that no no god breathed life then to you and he says i want you to multiply yes i want you to spread the gospel all nations i want you to obey my commands it's not like hey here it is go have a nice time see you later and that's a completely different dynamic than i think a lot of churches or pastors i think i will say david most pastors if they talk about this it's it's unknowingly right they haven't they might like it's not always that way okay the other super controversial topic dave is sexual anarchy what is that uh don't do it let's start there so anarchy is defined as basically doing whatever you want whatever set of rules or obligations there are i throw them off to throw them away i can do whatever i want in matthew chapter 19 jesus establishes a three-part system for human sexuality union joining he says in the beginning he made them male and female that's part one right the second he said it's like we need to clap for that these days right no seriously two genders yeah getting offensive already the second he said that um he would he joined this this couple uh in union sexual union right that's that's the coming together of one flesh and thirdly that this was a permanent relationship right do we all agree there it's very basic it's super simple god's super he's easy right he gives us easy rules sexual anarchy and we've done this as a nation we've thrown off the rules in reverse order i don't know if you know this but in the early 1990s then when no fault divorce came to california within two or three years the divorce rate increased i think it was seven or eight times seven or eight times more young boys and girls didn't have a dad at home or didn't have a mom at home so we said as a nation there doesn't have to be an affair there doesn't have to be some kind of horrific thing if you just feel like it just throw this thing out throw this permanent thing throw it in the garbage that was the first step into this into this foray of anarchy where we say god your order nah don't eat it anymore and the church doesn't really talk about divorce that much they're like you know you know hopefully you'll work it out you blah blah jesus you know malachi says that if a man divorces his wife he wears a cloak as a violence to the lord his god you're like no it's just i'm trying to work on my life no there's an order to the universe listen the first thing is this commitment we throw the commitment thing out and then we're like you know does it really need to be a man a male and female in sexual unity does it really need to be that and since at least obama we've kind of thrown that out culturally right we're like you can do whatever we want we don't care we'll keep identity though they'll we'll hold on to our identity and then the third thing that jesus says first that i made them male and female that now is destroyed in our culture i don't even know if i'm a boy or a girl apple has pregnant men emojis real thing that your kids and grandkids are exposed to and it is hate speech at google and many college campuses to say only women can become pregnant so my real thing when i was a little boy my dad used to say david wouldn't be a horrible thing if you didn't know if you were a boy or a girl now my dad wasn't thinking in 25 years or 30 years or 40 years there's going to be a transgender thing and i'm inculcating my child he was literally saying wouldn't it be awful to be so lost to be so without identity that you don't even know if you're a boy or a girl that is the culture we're living in because we've thrown off god's moral order and when we sin in sexuality listen sexuality is about creating identities so when we break the gift about creating identities our own identity ultimately is destroyed and i say i don't even know if i'm a boy or a girl anymore and it doesn't stop there i mean recent revelations out of california an alarming lawsuit a mother who is suing a group of teachers for actually recruiting her daughter into becoming a transgender right with some very very specific allegations in the lawsuit and the teachers have admitted this in private closed door sessions in the california teacher union so this is a very interesting point right where it starts with the and this is kind of where liberalism not leftism two totally different things at times can all of a sudden reach a very troubling kind of chapter if you will the last chapter in liberalism is authoritarianism and so liberalism is always like hey there's these groups of people they're really downtrodden we need to give them rights we need to give them privileges we need to give them status and acceptance because they've been you know treated terribly now sometimes those liberal groups are rights let me be clear you know small l liberal groups of women suffrage or the anti-slavery movement that those were legitimate concerns but almost always it goes from there and the activists they don't stop they see they're making progress to the inevitable last chapter which is like okay so we got the vanity fair thing and you all call bruce jenner caitlyn jenner now cool okay phase one phase two we're now gonna have chemical castration and sexual reassignment surgery paid for by taxpayers without parental consent for 12 13 year olds in california and oregon that's the law of the land in oregon it's about to be in california right that's phase two but then it's like okay we got that in the law of the books that's not enough now we need to train our activists to create more transgender people right and so you call it slippery sloping call whatever you want i just kind of call it the devolving kind of chapters of liberalism and this is a very dangerous thing absent god's law and morality and restraints all if you if you focus on always just trying to break people up the shackles that allegedly exist and largely they're overly inflated you know um issues that especially in today's america almost immediately that will turn into a revenge campaign and a recruitment campaign and you might say oh charlie come on you're over exaggerating arizona christian university came out with a study right down the street great great school that 40 of young people ages 16 to 22 are gay bisexual or transgender okay 40 now you might think you don't believe it i didn't knit first okay i said this on our national radio program i said this on our podcast i said i don't believe these numbers no way not happening i got hundreds of emails of parents saying charlie 16 out of 22 like 16 out of 20 of the kids in my daughter's class are either lesbian gay or bisexual it's like a trendy thing now right it's almost like a thing that you almost get a social kind of currency with right and so and some people say well charlie what's so wrong with that look i'm not going to get too deep into it i'll let the pastor your civilization literally can't continue okay like i don't have to overthink this but you're real you literally can't replicate right okay exactly so don't have to really think too deeply about that one just to tag along charlie uh part of that sexual anarchy chapter uh i go through sodom and gomorrah not very often preached about topic on um sunday morning i was preaching through the life of abraham and i was doing verse by verse and i ended up spending three weeks in sodom and gomorrah and i discovered a couple of things one of the things is those cities if you match the name of the city with the king of that city sodom it means place of burning um and gamora essentially means place of drowning so you have the king that his name is mean son of evil and the other king's name means destruction but there are two pictorial symbols here one is burning scorching right the other is drowning and there are there are two natural gifts outside of the bounds of blessing how many people know that a river when it's inside the riverbed is amazing right we fish take our kids down to the water it's a great time how many know when the when the flood comes to our door it's horrific it's a horror the same thing with a fire and a fire is incredible and we sit there with our kids and we get warmed by it but if you take that fire and you say you know what i don't need restraints this is a stupid idea fireplaces are so dumb right they're so archaic and you take the fire and you place it on the floor of the living room we all die all of us die and the picture of sodom and gomorrah is the natural gift of sexuality outside of the bounds of constraint which create blessing and it consumes an entire society and we are in the midst of that consuming right now and the only thing we can do is call on jesus and offer this thing that says god has this incredible beauty he initiated us in this garden this paradise that's what he has for us and this other lie is something that will consume us and don't let the blessing become a curse by letting it go outside of the borders and boundaries that god gave it amen let's get let's start lining up for some questions but i told you you would love david i mean he is he's really special and just to kind of piggyback off that point david which is you'll know it by the fruit right it's the most suicidal medicated alcohol addicted despondent generation in history it's also the most sexually promiscuous least moral guide guard rails in history and one would think that there might be a connection between the two of them so we'll take questions in these two areas just raise your hands guys um also again good kills by david englehart all of you guys watching online you guys can check it out amazon barnes and noble uh matt do we have a station out there with these is that right any a dollar ten dollars hundred dollars whatever you guys want to give the turning point usa no pressure just chip in free copy of the book i guess that's free if you're giving money but um it's it's awfully affordable right whatever you can whatever your means allow you to do um i really want you guys to be able to do this and if you're a student we won't haggle you too hard we'll probably just give you a copy anyway so all right we'll uh we'll start over here and let's try to do uh students or young people first and then we'll get through the line so okay um hi charlie i you you guys just talked a lot about it identity right and um how that can honestly destroy an entire nation how much do you think identity matters especially in the time that we're living in yeah so david i'll let you take it but it depends on identity and what the only identity that matters to us is identity in christ right and that's the identity that does matter and should always matter it says very clearly paul wrote neither slave nor greek nor jew we are all one free in jesus christ it says in first samuel that god does not look at the outside he looks at the heart he looks at the things that are inside he cares much more about the things that can't be seen than the things that can be seen um i'll be very honest identity politics and tribalism discus disgusts me now this is an interesting thing so where in america is america where in america are we most racially divided the answer is very clear it's prisons right so we never really think very deeply about this right so the place that you're most afraid and you have no stuff and there's no commerce and there's really no speech and it's most totalitarian that's where you're most racially divided think about that i mean if you go to imprison it's like the whites are over there the mexicans are there the blacks are there and there's very little co-mingling at all and why is that well it's because it's very basic it's like yeah we're going to try to survive in the wild and we take this for granted right and so when you go into the prison it's like as long as you look like me and you're willing to pledge some sort of allegiance i'll protect you so you think about it you're like okay so they're trying to retribalize us into a state of perpetual fear and control on authoritarianism you can learn a lot by studying the american prison population like a lot you can learn about human incentives you can learn about fear-based control and so that's what i'm afraid that they're trying to do with identity politics that they're trying to re-tribalize us that actually god breaks us free of what we are like in the wild which is only associated with people that look like us only to the teachings of christ do we care about what happens inside not outside and i believe that as we look at our country right now you know the promise of the gospel is the only thing that will quote unquote racially unify the country and it seems as if that's the one thing they conveniently want to destroy and ignore yeah um i i would add to that the whole book of galatians is about identity in christ the judaizers were coming in they were saying look you got to base your identity on certain actions certain kind of political uh genuflections essentially but christ unifies us i would say the other thing about you know unity or identity that's interesting is jesus says that honoring your mother and father is super super important and we live in a culture that hates not only father and mother but hates nation right the nation hating the term america i just it makes me cringe because like in the term is like i hate this place it's it's it's despicable right it's despisable something connected with loving mother and father and loving nation because loving mother and father because they gave us life and we have this incredible environment that we should honor and bless and the same thing that then goes upstream to nation that were identified with mother and father and nation this incredible environment that god gave us that we're called to honor and bless yeah the only commandment that comes to the promise and mentions your country is honoring your mother and father it's the only commandment that comes with a very specific promise and involves your nation which is honor your mother and father so that you may live long in the land of which you are in yeah so it incorporates those two things no other commandment touches on those things okay thank you so much next question my name is micah and i i have two questions one what do you do with a friend who believes in not like you said before the like devil worshiping thing but like witchcraft and like different harry potter stuff like that how old are you i am 10 soon to be 11. well i want to just you know give you a round of applause for coming in from this many people uh it's awesome david you would be better equipped with this um i'll be honest uh flee from that especially at a young age exposure for a child to witchcraft and sorcery is no joke uh it can you can digest an unclean spirit for many years i'm not trying to scare you i'm just being honest that uh when that comes up around your friends especially the witchcraft side of it if it's about literature and novels i know there's mixed opinions in the church around that i'd be very careful though still um the bible is very explicit about the fruits of the spirit and the fruits of the anti-spirit and sorcery is one of them yeah thank you michael for the question i think i remember you asking a question when eric mataxis was here did you ask a question then yes i remember you um i think for friends you don't have to be really careful because the bible says that we become though like those we surround ourselves with right good company corrupts bad morals and so uh you can pray for those people but you don't want to spend a lot of time with it with them and you got to talk to mom and dad about who to spend your time and invest your time with cool but but just be careful of that stuff especially at a young age and parents i'm not trying to spook you out but there's very explicit bible teachings of exposing children to sorcery and witchcraft and farm and what's called pharmakia that's a separate conversation micah you're a good man i'll be working for you one day god bless you man thank you [Applause] hello so my question is knowing how tired we are of being forced upon values by the democrats and literal satanic religions out here uh so is there a way of bringing back normative values without becoming almost a theocracy or a theological oligopoly that the pilgrims ran from or even that was fled in like the french revolution and back in england is there a way of doing that that's a really good question the founders they they seem to have accomplished it for a period of time and what you're getting at is important which is so how do you bring all these people to virtue without actually just becoming a theocracy where it's just run through the government you know the founders were very clear that that pluralism did not mean accepting everything all the time and so there's this tension between liberty and what's called licentiousness and that's a really kind of heady word think of it as license license to do everything that's where the root of licentiousness comes from and so in the founding f in the founding you know colonial times states had laws that forbade things you know that were forbidden for things that we would just kind of be considering like normal behavior right like public drunkenness let's just use that example right they said this is not a good thing for society now those truths were derived from the bible and the scriptures they all said this just makes america less free and it makes america the country that we want to live in less likely to glorify god in everything we're doing the restoration though the tension is very you know difficult and we must as a church recognize that the salvation must come through the church while also contesting in the government for righteousness and everything we are doing we're far from ever becoming a theocracy in one sense but i would argue that we're very close to becoming a theocracy in another sense that we have a secular religion that is running our country right now there is no scientific reasonable or rational explanation for our covid policy the last two years except for a religion of secular science it's almost like an incantation right their religious ceremony is getting the vaccine it's like getting the eucharist right there their virtue signal their cross that i wear is the mask now you might think i'm being a little bit kind of you know exaggerating here they have religious fervor with how they have implemented this on the american project biomedical fascism whatever you want to call it and this is an important thing that you get rid of organized religion like christianity something that imitates it will take its po will take its part it just so happens it was a moment of kind of oh we're going to fight systemic racism but it's i i'm always kind of really moved by studying the left i do it so you guys don't have to and i thought one of the most amazing moments in the last year is like okay what matters the most to them right this matters more than that and there was a tension right at certain points for example what happens when black lives matter their favorite their go-to activist groups doesn't want to get vaccinated does it matter vaccinations matter more than racial identity politics what matters what matters more when kyrie irving national basketball association player earning 26 million dollars a year beloved in brooklyn doesn't want to get vaccinated doesn't matter you have to stay at home so at that moment biomedical fascism mattered more okay let's use another example what happens when dave chappelle a darling of the hollywood left gets a netflix special black man decides to insult i wouldn't say insult make fun of the transgender alphabet mafia oh no no no you can't do that doesn't matter if you're black transgenderism in this current moment matters more than racial politics you guys tracking this it's totally confusing it's intentionally supposed to be confusing by the way it's like this constant reordering of hierarchies now i believe and this is to go a level deeper but you guys are smart you'll get it the transgender movement actually matters even more than biomedical fascism and they actually are together because the transgender movement is an introductory phase to get you to strip yourself of your humanity to mesh with machines it's called transhumanism they want you to say okay well i can choose any gender why can't i just have like an exoskeleton of some sort of machine around me this is what meta is about the metaverse kids staring at screens all day long this is documented this is proven this is where silicon valley is going this is why they're so insistent on this transgender thing because if you stop being a man then maybe you could stop being a human being maybe you can kind of just plug into some sort of machine this is where their control their profit motive is coming down the stream there's a ton of literature about this i'm far from the first person to comment on it but i'm just kind of connecting the dots for all of you tonight what is the agenda here well the agenda is kind of like ready player one meets inception where you kind of just hook up to a machine all day long and you're controlled by five companies that control your thoughts and your feelings and the real world actually ends up being the not real world where everyone just kind of wears goggles all day long that's the deeper significance of the transgender movement that no one wants to talk about david as as far as theocracy goes whenever you know somebody like me says hey god's got really idea great ideas about laws people say what about theocracy um and they're like we don't want you to bring morality into into law law every single all all laws on the books are moral like there's a speed limit out there it says 25 miles an hour that's a moral law because we're saying there's children here that we don't want to accidentally kill it's not some kind of arbitrary idea that came out of humanism and we sat down with our computers and logiced it out we value human life and we don't want to kill human life it's a moral law and almost all moral laws have religious underpinnings unless they have arbitrary underpinnings based upon humanism you know this idea of the dark ages makes me crazy this guy plutarch who's the father of humanism called this called this the dark ages and now we all just are like oh yeah that time the church ruled that was the dark ages because a secular guy the father of humanism said it and then the the atheistic world or the humanistic world just interprets it and says whenever the church has a lot of influence it's going to get really dark watch out it's actually not historically true it's historically inaccurate well and it's all about the natural law and this is something that we all know exists we see it around us and the natural law means there's a natural law giver and we know the proper place that human beings flourish and they don't flourish okay next question sorry sorry uh hi charlie um i'm as you know i'm actually running for congress in this area and uh what is yourself eli my name is elijah norton i'm running for congress in the first congressional district which is this area and scottsdale paradise valley but i'm wondering one of the things i hear about a lot on the campaign trail from parents is critical race theory and the introduction of it into our high schools elementary schools unfortunately even middle schools but i know you have a lot of experience going to college campuses what's your experience uh how is critical race theory being integrated in a college curriculum today and what can we do about it as people who love america and who love all people regardless of race uh due to stop it and reverse the trend that is going on okay yeah look and crt is a top issue and a lot of people are so confused by it um on our podcast i think we've done probably one of the best jobs out there of any podcast of having subject matter experts really explaining where this comes from and where this is going recent conversation it's a 59-minute conversation not an hour 59-minute conversation with james lindsey um who's the author of race marxism what's so amazing is he used to call himself an atheist and just this is what's so cool and i don't want to speak for him but the deeper he dives into these ideas and the more churches he visits as a quote unquote agnostic all of a sudden he's saying char he said this on my podcast charlie i'm supposed to be an atheist and crt is literally from the devil there's no other way i can explain it it's like whoa and and he dives into kind of what he means by that he's like it sews division distrust chaos confusion has constantly changing rules all the things that would be someone who would be a tyrannical usurper satan satan actually means prosecutor in the scriptures so look to answer to answer your question crt is not just in colleges right we say often at turning point usa what happens on the college campus does not stay there it then goes to the halls of congress and the corporate board rooms but let me just give you some examples of how crt is making america a much more dangerous and unpleasant place to live we've said some of these examples before but in new york city no joke you could fact check it yourself they are distributing monoclonal antibodies when they used to actually be able to do that they've now restricted the supply of that based on race on racial preferences and racial quotas so for a white couple this is you know this right david a white person who has clothed in new york will be sent to the back of the line where a black couple will be given preferences there's a great article actually believe it or not today in the atlantic of all places communist rag that talks about this today you could go look it up how medical medical racial discrimination is ruining medicine as we know it but i can give you some other examples united airlines says 50 of all their new pilots are g
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