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The Initial Challenge
A college freshman approached Charlie Kirk with a pointed question about reconciling a commitment to facts over feelings with Trump's environmental and climate policy. The student cited what he viewed as a significant threat based on evidence and research he had encountered.
Kirk immediately challenged the premise, pointing to a linguistic shift in the climate debate. He noted that Democrats changed the terminology from "global warming" to "climate change" because scientists examining global warming found no factual data to support their arguments. Since the climate is always changing, the term became more flexible and harder to disprove.
Kirk connected this to policy, explaining that the terminology shift was part of a larger pattern: telling lies, extracting tax dollars for the Paris Agreement which had no actionable plan, while America lost ground economically. Trump's response was to pull the United States out of the Paris Agreement entirely.
Three Questions That Cannot Be Answered
Kirk pressed the student with three specific questions designed to test the certainty of climate change claims. First, can you prove humans are contributing to it? Second, can you prove how long it's been happening and what the causation is? Third, can you prove that anything we can do can stop it?
The student, acknowledging he was just a freshman in college, attempted to answer affirmatively. Kirk's position was clear: no one can answer those three questions definitively. The student disagreed, saying that's not how science works, and that you can prove human contribution using the scientific method.
The Economic and Geopolitical Reality
Kirk reframed his questions to emphasize the practical implications. Can you prove humans are contributing? Can you prove what we're going to do will actually affect global temperatures positively or negatively? And at what cost are we going to completely restructure our carbon-based economy for something still subject to immense debate, dialogue, and discussion?
He highlighted the geopolitical dimension: countries like India and China are actively acquiring as many fossil fuels as possible. If the market wants to move toward a carbon-free economy, that's acceptable, but the government should not subsidize it. More importantly, the United States should not enter international pacts that restrict American economic competitiveness while countries that oppose American interests burn as much coal and natural gas as they can obtain.
Candice Owen, who was present, agreed that the Paris Agreement wasn't worth the paper it was written on and contained nothing actionable. Trump was right to withdraw from it completely.
The Seuss Effect and Isotopic Evidence
The student offered a technical explanation, mentioning the Seuss effect. He explained that certain isotopes of carbon decay when taken in by plants and then transformed into fossil fuels underground. When these fossil fuels are burned, those isotopes are released into the atmosphere. The increasing concentrations of those specific isotopes show that climate change is almost certainly linked to human activity.
Kirk challenged whether a direct correlation could be drawn using the scientific method between the aggregation of those isotopes and the rise in global temperatures. Could this correlation be shown more convincingly than natural climate activity or sunspots?
The student answered affirmatively. Kirk's curiosity was genuine: real climatologists who are not government-funded or highly politicized still debate these questions.
Consensus Is Not Science
The student invoked the commonly cited 99% consensus among scientists. Kirk immediately challenged this framing: science is not a democracy. We don't vote on gravity or Newton's Second Law. Science requires proof, not popular opinion.
When the student insisted there was a 99% consensus, Kirk asked him to prove it. The student suggested that if Kirk didn't want to do the reading, he didn't have to. Kirk countered that he had read far more on the subject than the student had.
Kirk then pressed the logical point: is science a democracy? The student agreed it was not. Kirk pointed out the contradiction—if something is true at 100% but only believed at 99%, that 99% represents opinion, not proven fact. The student argued that the 99% refers to scientists who have dedicated their entire lives and work to the question.
Kirk noted that the actual statistic commonly cited is 97%, which he considers a flawed statistic. But even accepting it as true, the three percent who disagree and defect are worth examining. Why do they disagree? What are their reasons? This is what science is about.
The Scientific Method Requires Proof, Not Agreement
Kirk argued that if there were direct causation or correlation between fossil fuel activity and rising global temperatures that could be proven beyond a shadow of doubt, the consensus would be 100%. The three percent who defect and disagree represent the essence of the scientific method—gathering, disagreeing, and discussing.
He concluded by returning to the student's original framing. The student approached with the premise of disagreeing with facts. Kirk's response was simple: the fact is that climate change caused by human activity hasn't been proven. The student came seeking to hold Kirk accountable to facts over feelings, but Kirk turned the question around—where is the factual proof that meets the standards of the scientific method?
Video Transcript
[00:00] you say that you support
[00:02] facts and not feelings right so I was
[00:05] wondering how you reconcile this with
[00:06] Trump's climate policy or environmental
[00:09] policy
[00:10] because this is a pretty significant
[00:12] threat in my opinion based on the
[00:14] evidence that I've seen and the research
[00:16] that I've seen
[00:17] which threat exactly yeah climate change
[00:20] specifically and I know that's a
[00:21] politicized term but I'm just interested
[00:23] to know what you think they change it
[00:24] from global warming to this another
[00:26] thing Democrats like they love
[00:27] Linguistics they changed it from global
[00:29] warming to climate change do you know
[00:30] why because when scientists are looking
[00:32] into global warming right there was
[00:34] actually no factual data to back up
[00:35] their arguments so they changed to
[00:37] climate change because the climate's
[00:38] always changing right there there was
[00:41] this is literally why they changed it
[00:43] they were they were telling us a lie
[00:45] extracting our tax dollars for some
[00:47] Parish agreement they had no actionable
[00:48] plan and America was losing so you know
[00:50] what Trump did he ripped it up we got
[00:52] out of there periscreant I saw that
[00:53] happen yeah
[00:55] um but those are distinct like
[00:56] scientific terms like climate change
[00:58] global warming is happening like there
[01:01] are curves
[01:02] it's okay there you can let you can look
[01:05] at the studies let's talk about this
[01:07] there's Rising global temperatures so
[01:08] let me ask you three quick questions can
[01:10] you prove humans are contributing to it
[01:11] can you prove how long it's been
[01:13] happening and what the causation is and
[01:14] can you prove that anything we can do
[01:16] can stop it can you answer those three
[01:17] questions I can
[01:19] um so the first proof humans are
[01:20] contributing well I'm just a freshman at
[01:22] college but uh the the the the obviously
[01:25] but the fact is no one can the answer
[01:27] those three questions are no one can
[01:29] kind of how science works yeah you can
[01:30] you can prove humans are contributing
[01:32] using the scientific method wait could I
[01:35] could I could I could I just adjust it
[01:38] you can adjust well
[01:40] um I mean okay hold on we'll do this
[01:43] after no this is important
[01:45] no but like but here's the question
[01:47] here's the three main questions is can
[01:48] you prove humans are contributing can
[01:50] you prove what we're going to do is
[01:51] actually going to affect global
[01:54] temperatures positively or negatively
[01:55] and then at what cost are we going to
[01:56] completely restructure our carbon-based
[01:59] economy for something that is still
[02:01] having an immense amount of debate
[02:03] dialogue and discussion around it
[02:04] because I'll tell you right now other
[02:05] countries such as India and China
[02:07] they're trying to get their hands on as
[02:08] many fossil fuels as possible now if the
[02:10] market wants to go towards a carbon-free
[02:13] economy so be it the government should
[02:14] not subsidize it nor should we get in an
[02:17] international pact as Candice mentioned
[02:18] which will restrict our economic
[02:20] competitiveness while all of the
[02:21] countries that hate us are going to burn
[02:23] as much coal and as much natural gas as
[02:25] they can get their hands on that's
[02:26] exactly right the Paris agreement wasn't
[02:27] worth the piece of paper it was written
[02:29] on it was not there was nothing
[02:30] actionable in it he was right to pull us
[02:31] out of it completely okay well uh for
[02:34] the first part of your question people
[02:35] causing climate change
[02:37] um it's kind of a boring explanation and
[02:38] I could tell you're not into too many
[02:39] boring things but uh for sure definitely
[02:42] there's uh there's a thing called the
[02:43] Seuss effect you can look it up if you
[02:45] want um I'm familiar with basically yeah
[02:47] it's the day there's certain isotopes of
[02:49] carbon that decay when they're um taken
[02:51] in by plants and then uh
[02:54] yeah turn into fossil fuels so
[02:56] underground so ultimately those Isotopes
[02:59] Decay when they're burned they're
[03:00] released into the atmosphere the fact
[03:02] that the concentrations of those
[03:03] Isotopes are increasing shows that
[03:06] there's it's almost certainly linked can
[03:07] you can you draw a direct correlation
[03:09] using the scientific method of the
[03:11] aggregation of those Isotopes to rise in
[03:13] global temperatures
[03:14] well yeah of course because more so than
[03:16] sunspots or natural climate activity
[03:19] I'm just curious the reason I ask is
[03:22] real climatologists ask these questions
[03:23] and they're still debating them the ones
[03:25] that are not government funded or highly
[03:27] politicized there is a 99 consensus so
[03:30] what about the one percent science is
[03:31] not a democracy
[03:33] we don't we don't vote on gravity we
[03:35] don't vote on Newton's Second Law prove
[03:37] it
[03:39] I mean if you don't want to do the
[03:41] reading you don't have to I have I
[03:43] guarantee you I've read much more than
[03:45] you have but answer the question is is
[03:46] science a democracy no you said 99 if
[03:49] it's 100 then it's true 99 is an opinion
[03:51] that's not I mean I can debate with you
[03:53] about how science no prove me wrong how
[03:55] is 99 prove anything
[03:58] you can't 99 of the people in this room
[04:01] can believe one thing that doesn't make
[04:02] it true no scientists these are
[04:04] scientists that have put their entire
[04:05] work and their entire life on the line
[04:07] yet it's three percent and it's 90
[04:09] something the statistics that's used 97
[04:10] which is a totally flawed statistic but
[04:12] let's pretend it's true for a second
[04:13] that three percent that disagrees and
[04:15] defects I want to know why they disagree
[04:17] and defect absolutely yeah but but the
[04:19] reason there's not consensus if we're
[04:21] able to prove it without a shot of a
[04:22] doubt that there's a direct causation or
[04:23] correlation between fossil fuel activity
[04:25] and rise in global temperatures and it
[04:26] would be 100 those three percent that
[04:28] are defecting and disagreeing that's
[04:30] what science is all about that's what we
[04:31] have a scientific method that's why they
[04:33] gather and they disagree and they
[04:34] discuss but you you came at it from how
[04:36] could I disagree with facts on getting
[04:38] you a fact that it hasn't been proven
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