Charlie Kirk Confronts Catholic Student Who Supports Bernie Sanders on Healthcare and Working Class Economics

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[00:31] How you doing, Charlie? I'm Dylan. Nice

[00:33] to meet

[00:33] you. Um, I'm a proud Catholic, Hispanic

[00:36] American, and former Turning Point US

[00:38] member at Utah Tech. I agree with you on

[00:40] a lot of topics like the Second

[00:42] Amendment, traditional values, and

[00:43] standing up to stuff like white liberal

[00:45] ideology and their agenda. But you're

[00:48] going to disagree on Israel. No,

[00:50] economics specifically.

[00:52] I recently went to the Bernie Sanders

[00:53] rally. Even

[00:55] I know you guys don't like him. I didn't

[00:57] fit I didn't fit into the crowd, but I

[00:59] agree with him when it comes to

[01:00] economics. I don't support any of his

[01:02] social stuff, but what he said about the

[01:04] rural working class hit home. In rural

[01:06] Idaho and other parts of America I've

[01:07] lived in, people are drowning in medical

[01:09] debt, working two jobs, falling behind

[01:11] when billionaires keep winning. You say

[01:13] universal healthcare is socialism, but

[01:14] countries like Poland, Hungary, Croatia

[01:16] are socially conservative, pro- family,

[01:18] pro border, and still manage to support

[01:20] their people with healthcare and better

[01:21] wages. So, how do you defend American

[01:23] economic system that leaves behind

[01:25] workingclass conservative people for

[01:27] this move you claim to fight for? Fine,

[01:28] fine. Great question. So, in Idaho,

[01:31] would you say that you guys have some

[01:33] native reservations in Idaho, right?

[01:35] Yes. Would you say that they have great

[01:37] healthcare? No. They have universal

[01:39] healthare paid for by the taxpayer. Do

[01:41] you think the VA is a good model for how

[01:43] healthcare should work? No. That is

[01:46] universal. Think about it. The VA is

[01:47] government doctors paid for by

[01:49] taxpayers. any VA can any veteran can

[01:51] go. The VA is the least favorable health

[01:54] care in in the entire country and it is

[01:56] universal healthcare. So you need to

[01:57] tell me why you think we should have

[01:59] more of Native American reservation

[02:01] healthcare and more VA healthcare

[02:02] because that's what Bernie Sanders

[02:03] wants. So make your case. Uh I basically

[02:06] just want universal healthare for the

[02:08] VA. So don't interrupt him please. Like

[02:10] you want more health care like the VA.

[02:13] It doesn't work. There are waiting

[02:14] lines. The quality of care is very low.

[02:17] The complaints are through the roof.

[02:18] Bernie Sanders wants our entire health

[02:20] care system look like the VA. Defend it.

[02:23] I'm just saying that I'm not I'm not

[02:25] asking for like I know UK and Canada

[02:27] have super long lines in their healthare

[02:28] system universal. No, no. It's not even

[02:30] abstract. I'm talking about the the VA

[02:31] is a real American example. It's not

[02:32] about the Canada. It's not the UK. I

[02:34] think it should be reformed. No, no,

[02:35] forget the reform. The VA has hundreds

[02:38] of billions of dollars of funding. It's

[02:40] taxpayer funded. The veteran pays

[02:41] nothing. They go there and it's all paid

[02:43] for. That's what Bernie Sanders wants

[02:45] and it's largely a catastrophe. So, show

[02:47] me and tell the American people why we

[02:49] should do more of that. I think we

[02:51] should have a new system, though. Okay.

[02:53] But it's not a new system. Bernie

[02:54] Sanders wants the VA for everybody. I

[02:56] want you to know what you're advocating

[02:57] for when you say that you want Bernie

[02:59] Sanders healthcare. You want the VA.

[03:02] Okay. Here's what we want. We want, of

[03:04] course, more competition, price

[03:06] vouchers, the hospitality put on

[03:08] defense, but honestly, we want to be

[03:10] able for you guys to choose the doctor

[03:11] of your choosing to be able to say, you

[03:13] know what? I don't want to have to take

[03:14] six vaccines when I walk into this

[03:16] doctor. I want medical freedom where in

[03:18] the VA or in a government run hospital,

[03:21] you must take those vaccines. There are

[03:22] no exceptions. I do believe in some type

[03:24] of privatized healthcare by Well, then

[03:25] you don't believe what Bernie believes.

[03:26] The government should support that. So

[03:28] more affordable people by the

[03:30] government, you mean the taxpayer. So

[03:32] therefore, you mean higher taxes for

[03:33] working people because every time

[03:35] socialism is is tried, every time it is

[03:38] taxes on more working people. He might

[03:39] say it's more taxes on billionaires. He

[03:41] might say it's more tax on the rich.

[03:43] It's every day carpenters, welders,

[03:44] police officers, and people that work

[03:46] their hands that end up paying more tax.

[03:48] I'm studying to be a CNC manufacturer,

[03:50] right? And Bernie Sanders will raise

[03:52] your taxes. That's the fact. And you

[03:54] know what Donald Trump is fighting for

[03:55] right now? And Bernie Sanders doesn't

[03:56] have the courage to vote for it. No tax

[03:58] on tips. No tax on

[04:00] overtime. So, let's talk about you. No

[04:03] tax on overtime. What would that mean

[04:05] for your specific industry? A big big

[04:07] big income boost for your family.

[04:09] Massive, in fact. Mhm. Yet Bernie

[04:11] Sanders won't even vote for the Trump

[04:12] tax bill that will have no no tax on

[04:14] over no tax on tips does sound good cuz

[04:17] I do also work as a bartender at a

[04:19] restaurant. So, let me ask you a

[04:20] question. Hold. I got to put you on

[04:21] defense here. Last night at the Bernie

[04:23] Sanders rally, 12,000 people, did Bernie

[04:25] Sanders say once that we should have no

[04:27] tax on tips? No, I haven't heard that.

[04:28] Oh, because he doesn't care for the

[04:30] working men. He cares about hating the

[04:31] rich. It's not about helping the poor.

[04:33] It's about smashing successful people,

[04:35] which is against everything we as

[04:37] Americans stand for. It is about, oh,

[04:39] we're going to fight the oligarchy by

[04:40] two people that have never built a

[04:42] business or signed the front of a

[04:44] paycheck in their entire life. AOC and

[04:46] Bernie Sanders. It's so easy to say,

[04:48] we're going to tax the rich, we're going

[04:49] to hate the rich person. Yet, who are

[04:51] the people that have the businesses,

[04:53] deploy the capital? Both can be equally

[04:55] true. Where the middle class grows and

[04:57] we respect capital flows. What Bernie

[04:59] Sanders wants and what he exhibits is a

[05:02] philosophy built on greed and envy and

[05:04] forced wealth redistribution. But I want

[05:07] you, and you came here in good faith, I

[05:08] want you to understand and study deeper

[05:10] how sinister Bernie Sanders economic

[05:12] philosophy is. He panders to people that

[05:15] quite honestly are suffering

[05:16] economically and promises them free

[05:18] stuff and that we're going to take away

[05:19] all the wealth from the rich people.

[05:21] It's not that simple and it's not that

[05:23] easy. And every time his philosophy is

[05:25] tried, it results in the degradation of

[05:28] a society, the downfall of innovation,

[05:30] the entrance into the second or the

[05:32] third world, and sometimes even outright

[05:33] murder in concentration camps, and over

[05:35] 100 million people dead. Again, I have

[05:37] to get back to this. Who would you

[05:39] rather trust to design a prosperous

[05:41] economy? How do you know Donald Trump

[05:42] and Elon Musk are not just keeping money

[05:43] for themselves? They're both

[05:44] billionaires, too. But I'm just saying,

[05:46] see, but hold on. This is Let me ask you

[05:48] a very blunt question. Have you ever met

[05:50] a billionaire? No, I haven't. But hold

[05:52] on. How do you know how they think them?

[05:54] No, you've never met a billionaire. How

[05:55] do you know what they do? You don't

[05:58] history of Donald Trump. Hold on. No,

[06:00] forgot the history. Hold on. This is an

[06:01] important thing. It's easy to hate that

[06:03] which you don't know.

[06:06] It's easy to crap on those that you

[06:08] actually not talk to because that

[06:10] billionaire, let's take Albertitz for

[06:12] example, that named your stadium.

[06:13] Albertson's employs tens of thousands of

[06:15] people in the state and good on them for

[06:17] doing it to make sure that you guys can

[06:18] get the groceries you need to feed your

[06:20] family. But guess what? He became a

[06:22] billionaire because of it. But you know

[06:24] what? He should become a billionaire for

[06:25] the people he employs and the risk that

[06:27] he took and also the good that that has

[06:29] done for this city and the charity

[06:31] that's been back to the community here.

[06:33] Let me talk to Donald Trump personally

[06:34] to see if you're not you said

[06:36] billionaires. Again, I could go through

[06:37] Trump or Elon Musk, but how about the

[06:38] other you you have Melanuca that's also

[06:40] that named the stadium. You go after

[06:42] billionaire after billionaire. You know

[06:43] what? You find someone that had a really

[06:44] good idea that was able to risk it all

[06:46] that probably employed over a 100,000

[06:48] people and made a lot of other people

[06:50] rich. The question should never be, how

[06:53] do we take money away from people?

[06:55] That's easy. That's theft. You do that

[06:56] when you're three years old. The

[06:58] question that society has to answer

[06:59] instead is how do you create wealth?

[07:01] That is a much harder question. When you

[07:03] go visit subsaharan Africa, they're

[07:05] trying to figure that out. They wonder

[07:07] why we're able to have buildings as

[07:08] beautiful as this and why we're able to

[07:10] have, you know, the standard of living

[07:11] that we enjoy in America. And the answer

[07:14] is because we have market principles

[07:15] where entrepreneurs can take risks and

[07:18] are able to get a reward at the end of

[07:19] it. Now, should we ever get to a place

[07:21] where the middle class is shrinking to

[07:23] such a great degree? No. That's why

[07:25] Donald Trump's agenda is to first and

[07:27] foremost rebuild the American middle

[07:28] class, not necessarily pander to the

[07:30] elite interest. And let me close with

[07:31] this just as a point. The wealthiest

[07:33] counties in America almost all vote for

[07:35] Democrats and vote for Joe Biden. The

[07:37] Democrat party is a party of the

[07:39] permanent wealthy class where the

[07:40] Republican party I agree. I think both

[07:42] parties are but hold on. But let let me

[07:44] just it's you Bernie Sanders is a fraud

[07:47] and a fake because as he is talking

[07:49] about like fighting the oligarchy

[07:51] everything that he would do would crush

[07:53] innovation, crunch crush

[07:55] entrepreneurship and not actually help

[07:56] the American middle class. And this is

[07:58] why he refuses to stand with Donald

[08:00] Trump every time he does something good

[08:02] that would actually help middle class

[08:03] workers. Final thought. But that was

[08:04] true about Donald Trump. Rule towns

[08:06] wouldn't be dying. Donald Trump gave CAC

[08:08] touch the corporations that hired

[08:09] Goldman Sachs elites and didn't touch

[08:11] the wage system. The working class got

[08:13] slogans and sweets while the

[08:14] billionaires he called out got richer.

[08:16] That's not draining the swamp. That's

[08:17] filling it. When Trump was there for

[08:19] four years, rural America actually saw

[08:21] more wage gains than urban America for

[08:24] four years from Obama's economy from

[08:26] Okay, that's hold on that that you know

[08:28] that's rubbish, man. The next president

[08:30] inherits the common name based on on on

[08:32] what president first of all that's

[08:34] that's such an oversimplification,

[08:36] sloppy and shallow analysis of how

[08:38] economics works. But most importantly,

[08:40] and I think you can acknowledge this, is

[08:42] that Donald Trump, what he did in the

[08:44] first term, we saw a bluecollar miracle,

[08:47] a bluecollar boom. The people that

[08:49] worked in manufacturer saw their wages

[08:51] actually go up higher than the top 1%.

[08:53] And that is why bluecollar workers voted

[08:55] for Donald Trump so significantly this

[08:57] last election. That's why Trump is doing

[08:59] tariffs on China. Again, no tax on tips,

[09:01] no tax on overtime. And finally, you

[09:02] guys know that gas Democrats are super

[09:04] socially progressive and don't relate to

[09:06] the working class anymore. Gas prices

[09:08] won. Gas prices are going down

[09:10] dramatically and you guys are going to

[09:11] see $310. I thought it would be $2 by

[09:14] now. There again, it depends on where

[09:16] you are in the country. But as far as

[09:18] Wex West Texas oil crude, it was at 75

[09:22] bucks a barrel almost a week and a half

[09:23] ago. Now it's near $55 a barrel. I'm not

[09:25] sure where it is today, but let me just

[09:27] kind of close with this. It's easy and

[09:29] tempting. And I want to just caution you

[09:31] because you're a Catholic and a man of

[09:32] faith. I want you to pray about this and

[09:34] I want you to think about this. It's

[09:36] tempting to want to believe in

[09:38] socialism. It is a fact that socialism

[09:41] before you get to the second sentence,

[09:43] socialism violates two out of the ten

[09:45] commandments. Thou shalt not covet and

[09:47] thou shalt not steal. So what about the

[09:48] Eastern European countries that have

[09:49] this kind of socialist like Hungary,

[09:52] Poland? Yes, Hungary is very socially

[09:54] conservative and they have some

[09:56] socialist, you know, ideas. Let me ask

[09:58] you a question. Can you name a single

[10:00] Hungarian company?

[10:04] I don't know.

[10:06] Can you name a single Hungarian

[10:07] entrepreneur?

[10:09] Not heard of. Can you name a single

[10:11] Polish entrepreneur? No, cuz I don't

[10:13] live in Poland. Though this No, no, hold

[10:15] on. But you can name Chinese companies

[10:17] and Japanese companies and Korean

[10:18] companies. The point being is this. Be

[10:20] careful when you indulge in the cheap

[10:22] money of socialism because all of a

[10:24] sudden you don't become very innovative.

[10:26] You don't lead the world in AI or tech

[10:28] or in the top companies. And so, yes,

[10:30] okay, yeah, we could redistribute the

[10:32] wealth and become a mediocre country

[10:34] where wages kind of stagnate. We're no

[10:36] longer a free society where people flock

[10:39] here to start businesses. I think that's

[10:40] radically dangerous. I think it's

[10:42] radically dangerous for us to compromise

[10:44] on a on a on a bedrock of mediocrity.

[10:47] There's some things Hungary likes that I

[10:49] do. There's something Poland likes that

[10:50] I do. But socialism at its core is this

[10:54] belief that the state will take care of

[10:56] you. We as conservatives believe first

[10:58] and foremost the family takes care of

[10:59] you and then the church and last case

[11:01] necessary then the state. Have a great

[11:03] Holy Week. Thank you for your time.

[11:05] Appreciate it.