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Charlie Kirk visited the University of Texas at Austin for the Live Free Tour, where he engaged in a marathon debate with students on topics ranging from American exceptionalism to the devastating impact of COVID lockdowns on Generation Z. Kirk argued that the U.S. Constitution represents the longest-lasting framework for human dignity in history, while challenging students who question whether absolute truths exist. He confronted the mental health crisis plaguing young Americans, attributing much of the generational despair to lockdown policies that harmed children to protect adults. The event featured heated exchanges on abortion, vaccine mandates, and bodily autonomy, with Kirk defending the protection of innocent life while students pushed back on government intervention. Kirk praised UT Austin's administration for allowing free speech, a rarity on college campuses today.
Returning to UT Austin
Charlie Kirk returned to the University of Texas at Austin after a four-year absence, acknowledging that his last visit had been tumultuous, with incidents including a cameraman being assaulted. This time, Kirk spent two hours at a table on campus engaging directly with students before the main evening event. He thanked the UT administration and campus police for their support in allowing the dialogue to continue, noting that such cooperation is not common at universities across the country.
Kirk opened by distinguishing between liberals and leftists, expressing that he has no problem with liberals who believe in free speech and live-and-let-live principles. However, he voiced strong concern about leftists who he characterized as totalitarians willing to use force, intimidation, or disruption rather than engage in debate. He specifically called out those who tried to shut down the event rather than participate in dialogue.
America as the Greatest Nation in History
Kirk made an unapologetic case for American exceptionalism, declaring that the United States is objectively the greatest nation ever to exist in human history. He was met with gasps and boos from some students when making this claim during the earlier campus dialogue. Kirk defended the statement by pointing to America's generosity, productivity, cultural impact, medical advancements, and the fact that more people want to immigrate here than anywhere else.
He emphasized that America fights wars not for territorial conquest but often for the freedom of others, and that American ideals have been successfully replicated worldwide. Kirk acknowledged that America is not perfect but argued that when compared to every other nation throughout history, the evidence of American greatness is undeniable. He pointed out the irony that even those who claim to hate America refuse to leave, suggesting their actions speak louder than their words.
The U.S. Constitution and Human Dignity
Kirk dedicated significant time to discussing the U.S. Constitution as the longest-lasting constitution in world history. He explained that the Founders wrestled with fundamental questions about human nature and human dignity, ultimately concluding that human beings possess inherent worth—that they are made in the image of God with souls worthy of protection.
The Constitution, Kirk argued, was not written for the times but to stand the test of time. It represents an analysis of human behavior across all civilizations that preceded it. Kirk emphasized several key principles: consent of the governed, the people as sovereign, separation of powers, and natural rights that come from God rather than government. He stressed that government's primary role is to protect these rights, especially from government itself.
Kirk contrasted democracy with a constitutional republic, explaining that in a pure democracy the majority rules without limits, which could result in tyranny. A constitutional republic, however, has checks and balances to slow down potentially evil decisions, even when supported by a majority. The preamble to the Constitution has never needed amendment, Kirk noted, because it contains timeless truths.
The Question of Truth and Post-Modernism
A recurring theme from Kirk's campus conversations was the challenge: "Who are you to say what is right and wrong?" Kirk identified this as a product of post-modern, deconstructionist philosophy that students consume daily in their classes. He pushed back against the idea that there are unlimited truths, arguing that while people can have different experiences, truth itself is singular.
Kirk used the example of a car crash with five witnesses—while each may have a different perspective, ultimately there is an objective truth about what happened. He warned that designing a government or society based on the premise that anyone can believe anything at any time makes a stable, civil society impossible. If everyone has their own definition of north, he argued, good luck trying to orient anybody.
He referenced C.S. Lewis's concept of the Tao or "the way"—a set of universal moral principles that civilizations must agree upon. Kirk argued that chaos follows when absolute truth is abandoned, and chaos is often a strategy toward totalitarianism. When people are sufficiently confused and exhausted, they become willing to accept authoritarian rule in exchange for order.
Generation Z and the Mental Health Crisis
Kirk addressed the alarming state of Generation Z, describing it as the most depressed, suicidal, alcohol-addicted, drug-addicted, and psychiatric-medication-dependent generation in history. This generation is the least likely to get married, least likely to have children, and most likely to believe there is no God, no eternity, and no harmony or reason for life.
He suggested a direct connection between the post-modernist philosophy being taught in universities and the existential despair plaguing young people. Feeding children a steady diet of Jacques Derrida, Michel Foucault, and Herbert Marcuse without anchoring them in absolute truth or the inquiry of truth has devastating psychological consequences.
Kirk emphasized that gratitude is essential for happiness, and that this generation has much to be grateful for despite being taught otherwise. He encouraged young people to pursue lives of contribution, meaning, and purpose through marriage, children, meaningful work, and service to country, church, and community.
The Catastrophic Impact of COVID Lockdowns
Kirk delivered one of his strongest condemnations of COVID lockdowns, calling them one of the worst mistakes in American history and a massive disservice to an entire generation. He clarified that he was talking about lockdowns, not quarantines—the forced closure of schools, masking of children, and coerced vaccination with mRNA technology for a virus that did not significantly threaten young people.
To demonstrate the impact, Kirk asked the audience to raise their hands if they knew someone who committed suicide or seriously harmed themselves during the pandemic. A significant number of hands went up. He cited statistics showing that suicide visits were 50% higher among 12-to-17-year-olds compared to 2018, and that psychiatric medication prescriptions, alcoholism, and drug use all increased dramatically.
Kirk argued that the lockdowns represented a perverse moral calculation: sacrificing the future and well-being of children to potentially protect elderly adults from a virus. Young people were robbed of proms, graduations, and formative social experiences. They then re-entered an economy where everything cost twice as much due to inflation caused by money printing during the lockdown period.
He also noted that lockdowns disproportionately harmed poor families without extra bedrooms or high-speed internet, making the "Zoomification" of education cruelest to those the policies claimed to help. Additionally, billionaires became $600 billion wealthier during this period.
Economic Anxiety and the Threat of Socialism
Kirk acknowledged legitimate economic grievances among young people, noting that a 25-year-old today is working harder and getting poorer than at any time in the last 50 years. This generation followed all the rules—borrowed money for college, got degrees—but now faces crushing debt, unaffordable rent, and home ownership out of reach due to high interest rates and down payment requirements.
He argued that while he disagrees with socialist solutions, conservatives must understand why socialism appeals to young people. If an entire generation owns nothing, they have nothing to lose and everything to gain from revolutionary ideas. Kirk referenced the maxim that people only burn down Wendy's if they don't own anything—home ownership and investment in society tend to moderate political views.
Kirk was critical of American Marxists for focusing on race rather than economics, calling it a strategic mistake that revealed their true agenda of dividing people by skin color rather than addressing legitimate economic concerns. He suggested that if the left were smarter, they would focus entirely on economic issues and would win elections handily.
While rooted in free market principles, Kirk called for conservatives to develop policies that make it easier for young people to marry, have children, and buy homes. He controversially stated he would rather see money go toward helping American kids achieve homeownership than toward foreign aid to Ukraine.
Engaging with Students: Abortion Debate
Multiple students challenged Kirk on abortion during the Q&A session. Kirk consistently argued that human life begins at conception and that all human beings, regardless of size, level of development, environment, or degree of dependency, deserve constitutional protection. He emphasized that human beings are unique—made in the image of God with souls—and therefore possess inherent dignity.
When students argued for bodily autonomy, Kirk countered that in 98% of abortion cases, the pregnancy resulted from consensual sex—a choice was already made. He rejected the comparison to kidney donation or blood transfusion, arguing those are hypothetical abstractions that avoid the concrete reality: one million abortions per year in America, with 998,000 performed as a form of birth control.
Kirk asked students to consider ultrasounds of babies conceived through rape versus consensual sex, pointing out they're indistinguishable—the circumstances of conception don't change the humanity of the child. He described abortion as children receiving the death penalty because their parents decided to have sex.
Regarding bodily autonomy, Kirk argued that a seven-week-old baby outside the womb is also completely dependent on parents for survival, yet no one would argue parents have the right to terminate that child. He challenged the notion that dependency or location (inside versus outside the womb) determines whether a human being deserves protection.
The COVID Vaccine Controversy
A student challenged Kirk on his opposition to COVID vaccines, asking how long it would take him to accept that the vaccines are safe. Kirk responded by citing the Florida Surgeon General's recent statement that MRNA vaccination caused an 84% increase in cardiac-related deaths among males aged 18-39 within 28 days of vaccination.
Kirk referenced the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System), a government database where reports must be filed under penalty of perjury. According to VAERS data Kirk cited, 31,300 people died because of the vaccine, 179,806 were hospitalized, 52,000 experienced myocarditis or pericarditis, 16,100 developed Bell's Palsy, and there were 5,000 miscarriages.
He also noted that Pfizer testified that they never tested the vaccine to prevent transmission of the virus, and that booster shots were tested on only eight mice. Kirk argued that if any other vaccine showed even six adverse events, it would be pulled from the market immediately.
When the student argued that adverse events should be considered as a percentage of total vaccinations, Kirk asked the audience to raise their hands if they knew someone harmed by the vaccine or who experienced an adverse event. Many hands went up. Kirk maintained he has a moral obligation not to lie about the data he's seeing, and that history will vindicate those who warned against taking the vaccine.
Nationalism and American Identity
When asked if he is a nationalist, Kirk answered yes under the proper definition of the term. He clarified that nationalism, properly understood, means valuing your people and the ideas of your country. He emphasized that you should always value people more than abstract ideas, but that doesn't mean the ideas aren't important.
Kirk has been critical of how the term "nationalism" has been smeared and misrepresented, but he doesn't shy away from identifying with love of country and fellow citizens. This ties into his broader argument about gratitude—that Americans should be thankful for what they have and work to conserve and improve it for future generations rather than tearing it down.
The Importance of Free Speech on Campus
Throughout the event, Kirk repeatedly thanked the UT Austin administration for supporting free speech and allowing the event to proceed. He noted that administrators intervened when some individuals tried to disrupt the campus dialogue with music or other tactics, telling them to take their disruptions elsewhere so the conversation could continue.
Kirk emphasized that speech is essential to a free society—without it, all you have is power and brute force. He expressed appreciation for students who disagreed with him but engaged respectfully for two hours, noting that such behavior demonstrates character and a genuine commitment to learning.
He contrasted liberals, who support free speech and debate, with leftists, who resort to intimidation and attempts to shut down opposing viewpoints. Kirk argued that universities should be places for exploration of the good, the true, and the beautiful—what Hillsdale College has become—rather than indoctrination centers.
Protecting the Innocence of Children
When asked about teachers pushing transgender ideology on young students, Kirk called such individuals groomers and perverts who should not be in education. He argued that using a position of authority to impose radical gender queer theory on five, six, seven, or eight-year-olds is completely inappropriate and harmful.
Kirk emphasized that the innocence of children is worthy of protection and preservation—it's a moral good because once lost, it can never be recovered. That period of childhood development when children are innocent is crucial for them to develop their values, grow close to their parents, and learn what's right and wrong through exploration without fear of embarrassment.
He cited a Hebrew proverb: "Someone who's afraid of being embarrassed will never learn." When children's innocence is robbed prematurely, they become less likely to take risks, ask questions, and develop properly. Kirk argued that Western civilization has succeeded in part because stronger adults use their strength to protect vulnerable children who cannot protect themselves.
He specifically condemned the presence of pornographic or sexually explicit material in elementary school textbooks, arguing that if society cannot remove such content from materials for young children, something is seriously wrong.
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that will get you free admission into America Fest these are events you do not want to miss thank you all for joining us and we will get started in a moment welcome to Turning Point USA's proudly hosted 2022 event the Live Free tour joining us on stage tonight Charlie Kirk we are here to celebrate the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world you as a human being have dignity that you will write to speech that you have a right to organize that you have a right to start a family they are the Invaders we are Americans and we are going to win let's get this started now welcoming to the stage Charlie Kirk [Music] thank you everybody thank you it's great to be here I have to uh apologize in advance it was been a long day um we sat on a table there was anyone there today that was that we had a good time I have to say six outside of a couple people but um no generally I I learned a lot you know uh one of the individuals there she asked she said you actually go here to learn and I I not that I've heard anything that was totally new and profound but I learned a lot at kind of where this generation is politically and philosophically and um yeah I learned a lot of kind of about some of the major sticking points there and I do want to thank a couple people I want to thank the students there that that were there for all two hours and were respectful that says a lot speech is important in fact without speech all you have is power and brute force and so that says a lot about you so if you're out there and you hear that good for you and then I also I can't believe I'm doing this but I want to thank the UT Administration that kind of came it's amazing um no you have to be honest in life though right I'm not exactly a fan of college um and but they came in and they yes smart enough to make you attend Okay so yeah thank you imagine that right there is what someone who's about to lose very big acts like let me tell you that's uh that was uh one minute and eight seconds that's a new record here I am complimenting that everyone had a great time and trying to be magnanimous even though people said very bad Vivid whatever and that happens you gotta love it it's great okay where was I it's like speaking of how wonderful of a university this is um let me continue with my compliments no I mean it it's that the UT Administration came in uh to a couple you know people that were trying to interrupt and play music or whatever uh and they said you have to do that elsewhere so that allowed our discussion our conversation to continue and so that was that was very nice and we appreciate that and so there was uh yeah you could give it up for the UT Administration they deserve credit for that they do and um there they had a commitment to free speech which is which is very very important so something that kept on coming up in our discussions today which I found to be fascinating not not surprising but it was fascinating to keep on hearing which is who are you to say what is right and wrong and that's not a new question um I thought that that would be probably well understood by the time you get to college but it shouldn't be a huge shock for those of you that are kind of consuming post-modern deconstructionist philosophy on an almost daily basis which is who are you to say why is your right the right and that really does ask the question of what is the purpose of college right where I think college should be kind of what Hillsdale College has become which is an exploration of the good the true and the Beautiful and what is right what is good what is how should you as a human being properly develop and you know it was a really interesting question where they said you know your beliefs should not be able to be imposed on somebody else and that sounds really good right like okay yeah you're a beliefs but it's not true at some point somebody's belief is going to be imposed on you even the absence of a belief is somebody's belief so at some point you have to come to some sort of consensus of what is good they say well I don't think the government should be involved in any decisions that's a decision and of itself not to be involved as a decision not to do something is actually a decision to do something and you have to have a moral basis for that and so we had a you know a very long conversation about that and I hope that can continue in the question and answer line of which disagreement will be um you know invited and you guys can have the microphone we'll have a back and forth but you know it kind of goes back to that question of who are you to say and boy the founding fathers really thought deeply about that and we are the beneficiaries of of framers that gave us the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world and I have to say when I said that today there were a lot of people gasping and booing which is just such a shocking thing because that is as close to an objective fact of anything I could say here tonight that you are the beneficiaries to live in the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world that's a big deal and and somebody asked and they said well well why and I said look I mean by first of all greatest is obviously relative you're judging yourself against other countries are we perfect of course not we're human beings we're far from perfect but we're the most generous country we're the most productive country we have the longest waiting list of people that want to come into our country our ideals have been successfully replicated all across the planet we're the nation that goes and fights Wars for the freedom of other people not perfectly all the time obviously but has an ethic within our history and within our background of something that is not an Empire to try to gain lands but in some ways something greater than yourself and I could go on from medical advancements to cultural impact there's something very special about America and I'm deathly afraid that we're losing it and not only are we afraid of losing it I'm afraid that people want it to be lost and that's even more troubling to me and it wasn't said today but I've heard it before when I was at Berkeley um which don't laugh too much you guys are right up there with Berkeley so it's right out there I have to say that um I heard some wacky stuff today but Berkeley had some other whack he was right up there but I heard something else which is you know America's the great Satan we want it eliminated it's a force of evil in the world and only only spending an exhaustive amount of time in a lecture hall listening to someone who hates about America could you come to such a ridiculous conclusion as that which I mean just the evidence in front of it is you look at America's greatness which I again I think we're losing through self-inflicted decisions and you look through our history and you look at what we've been able to accomplish there's just one fact that will tell you everything you need to know America is the only nation on the planet where even those who hate it and they say they hate it they refuse to leave and so and and people and and they say well you know where am I supposed to go I don't know you guys talk about Denmark all the time like Paris I'm not saying leave I'm saying why don't you and because I have to hear about how awful this place is but your actions speak a lot louder than your lectures in that regard and that does kind of tell you something it kind of reminds me all the celebrities that said they were going to leave the country after Donald Trump won it's actually like yeah okay you might have a problem with that but it turns out that this place still is the best hope it still is the greatest nation so why why is this country great why have we achieved anything of value well you can ask yourself the question what is the longest lasting constitution in world history and you're living under it it's the United States Constitution Magna Carta is not a constitution the 10 10 commandments not a constitution Constitution's an agreement it's a compact contract and they wrestled with these ideas the framers and boy did they get it right they got some things wrong and they can prove it along the way but what they got right more than anything else is the question that we spent about two hours trying to go back and forth with today I don't know if we ever found consensus but it's a very simple question which is what is a human being is a human being a collection of cells is it just kind of an accident of hundreds of millions of years of evolution or is human being as a human being more than that is a human being an image Bearer or has a soul has something that is worthy of protection and the answer to that question can tell you directly the type of government that you think should exist and it says so clearly because the Declaration of Independence starts completely and total universally it doesn't start specific it gets specific but Thomas Jefferson writes when in the course of human events he's talking about all time all human beings all people it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bans that have tied them to another deriving the separate but equal power that goes on the equal station and goes on to say laws of nature and nature is God what he's making is a moral argument that the people of this nation have something that is just that is even greater than reason and is even greater than touch and feel in the senses and again you could have your own religious views but it's an arguable to say that the founders of the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world they believed you had a soul and that's a very big deal and if you believe you have a soul then you must have a government that respects all human dignity regardless of size level of development environment or degree of dependency including those in the womb or outside of the womb that those beings are worthy of protection that the and when you start to talk in that way all of a sudden natural rights start to come into the picture you say wow and obviously they talk to life liberty in the pursuit of happiness previously it was life liberty and property from John Locke and Thomas Jefferson I had added the pursuit of happiness which is you have a right to be able to live that's a very big deal and guess what government does not give you those rights and that was the huge change right is that the government protects those rights first and foremost from government abusing those rights and not only were they able to tell you what a human being is they told you how human beings acted and if there was kind of the bit one of the big lies if you will of American progressivism is that somehow human beings change just because technology changes with it and that is not true just because times change human beings do not change we're exactly the same in fact technology only makes it easier for us to do the bad stuff that would have been harder for us to do a couple hundred years ago said differently the Constitution was not written for the times it was written to stand the test of time that it was an analysis of human behavior of every civilization that ever acted before and they had some truths in it that all of us are able to enjoy today the first and most obvious one is consent to the Govern you are The Sovereign in the U.S Constitution and that is so easy to take for granted and it only existed in a short little spurt and maybe Athenian democracy before that and it's a big deal they put that into place but it's important that it's not a democracy though people say we're democracy we are not a democracy we're a constitutional republic what's the difference in a democracy the majority rules no matter what all the time and I said well that's the way I want it well if the majority wants something that is evil and wrong shouldn't there be a check and balance against the majority shouldn't there be a process to slow it down you see a constitutional republic says there are things that are true that will always be true do you notice that the preamble to the US Constitution has never had to be changed it's because it's always been true that we do ordain these truths the very we do ordain this constitution said differently and so when we kind of look at all these different things that are kind of factoring in I think it's important to note that the posture that I encourage you to have and we can have obvious disagreements here we're going to get to questions early tonight because boy some of you guys wore me out today I got to be honest three hours of radio and we were talking forever um and is is a posture of gratitude one of my great complaints I really couldn't care less about your political affiliation we could talk about that that's not why I'm here tonight if you want to ask me political questions I don't care that's fine obviously I have strong opinions that way but it drives me nuts when there is a lecture of ingratitude towards America people that are thankful are happier and you have a lot to be thankful for and you might not be happy you might say oh look at all these injustices I would venture a guess there's probably half truths baked in that and it's not as much of the Injustice as you think but whatever I'm sure I could agree with part of it but when you think about it when you're ungrateful you're much more likely to be a revolutionary when you're grateful maybe you want to conserve that thing that's why I'm a conservative that's why a lot of you are conservatives you say this is something that I actually want to protect to make sure future Generations are able to live through just becoming a father I could tell you I'm like I want my daughter to be able to live in this nation I want future generations to be able to enjoy this incredible system and you always got to ask the question which is replace it with what replace it with what kind of experiment what kind of a country what is the solution what is the form of the structure of government and there's a reason why that Constitution has stood the test the time and the stress test that every single Corner despite opposition foreign and domestic it locates the sovereignty within you and at the same time the people are actually not running the administration of the government it excludes The Sovereign from the ordinary business of the government or the ordinary operations of the government which in some ways is a check and balance on the people which again shows that absolute power can can corrupt absolutely and it comes down to this this fundamental question and this fundamental thing where it goes down to at some point you have to agree upon what C.S Lewis said which is you have to come you have to come to some consensus of the Dao or the way and this is what really troubles me about some of the things I heard today more than anything else when they say there's unlimited amount of truths and I want you to understand the ramifications of what that looks like in society and you know somebody said you know different cultures have different truths think about that look like different cultures can have different diets and customs and attitudes but is it really the case that if you believe that child sacrifice to molec is okay that's somehow something we should act as if that's not eternally wrong regardless of where it happens no there's Eternal principles that apply to all people you know regardless of where they are on the planet now are there different customs of course be respectful of them in all things but you do look at that question there's an unlimited amount of truths now there can be there could be lots of different shared experiences but for example if you have a car crash and you know there's five witnesses everyone said well this happened and this happened eventually you want to get to the truth of what ended up happening you want to be able to get to the consensus of the matter and when you design a government or you have a society and you raise a generation that says you know what anyone can believe whatever they want to believe about anything at any time how on Earth are you going to have a stable and Civil Society from that point if everybody had a definition of what North is good luck trying to orient everybody so no there's not unlimited amount of truths I believe there's one truth but I think that truth that we could agree tonight is rather broad I think that it's a road that is not too narrow and not too not too wide as C.S Lewis would say in the abolition of man it's the Dao it's something that says okay within the maxims of Liberty we can agree that separation of powers consent to the governed independent Judiciary private property rights these things are important to protect and whenever there is a threat against those things we're not going to put up with that like we're not going to we're not going to say you know what yeah maybe you could believe that you're a platypus or that you could believe that you're actually six foot eight when in reality you're not is that your your feeling is not as important as to what actual reality is happening in that exact moment and the consequence of this I could tell you will end up being two things first you get chaos and that's bad and that's kind of the talking point if you don't have all these things you have societal chaos but we never talk about what happens after that which is then you get totalitarianism you see as soon as you confuse everybody there is no truth you have your own truth and you have all these different kind of bickering tribes eventually people are going to want order and that's when you get someone like Joseph Stalin that comes along and all they care about is power and they're good at it and then all of a sudden you could throw out all the stuff I've talked about consent to the Govern separation of powers chaos is a strategy towards totalitarianism and not everyone who's participating it even recognized or realizing it they say oh we're liberating groups to be able to have whatever truth they want to have under any circumstance now you have our own opinions but you know do you notice how quickly it goes from this is my truth to all of a sudden if you don't accept your truth you're going to be penalized happens very quickly so it's not just your truth it's that I must now adopt that and whatever that kind of fiction or whatever that might be and so I'm very very worried about the direction of the country currently and for for a variety of reasons and I think that the restoration has to start has to kind of rest in all of you something I wish we could have talked about more in this uh kind of in our time together on the quad wherever we were um is kind of what's going on generationally I guess you're all Jen's ears is that right if you're in college I'm a millennial so I have to thank you by the way I have finally found a generation Boomers hate more than Millennials Generation Z it's great so thank you very much um I get to now hate on the younger generation it's terrific it's great for years although stupid Millennials are the worst it's all awful now now I get to now I get to do that it's actually quite delightful um so but let's talk seriously here there's two ways we could take this and I think both have some have something that we can we can glean from it the first is the reality of the topic is that this is the most depressed suicidal alcohol addicted and drug-addicted psychiatric drug addicted generation in history most likely to kill themselves the least likely to get married least likely to have kids most likely to believe that there is no God no eternity no reason or Harmony for life that's a very scary thing and for those of us that are not in Generation Z we should press pause and say time out and say what is going on that that is a very troubling and sad thing now I do believe that there is a direct connection between a lot of this post-modernist garbage that is being a lot of you guys are going into debt for um to learn and the fact that all of a sudden you have something that could be best described as existential despair like you you feed you feed a child a steady diet of jock dareda and Michelle Foucault and Herbert marcusa without being anchored in absolute truth or at least the kind of the inquiry of such you're going to really mess with some kids heads I really believe that doesn't that does not help but also even deeper than that and this is where I think some students would totally agree especially those on the left and some adults would say not so fast is I think that older Generations did a massive disservice to this generation and I don't say that lightly I'm not one to try to re you know wage generational Warfare I don't like it but it's true the lockdowns will go down as one of the worst mistakes in American history where we decided to harm a generation for an awful reason and this generation is still trying to climb out of it we locked down a generation and masked them and forced mRNA Gene altering technology on them by saying maybe you get kicked out of school or have your entire life ruined for a virus that did not significantly threaten them and every single person in this room could tell you a story of someone that has been left aside maybe you are one of those people and I and we're here for you if you need help in any way possible of someone that is now in a very serious mental health crisis someone that took their life and I'm telling you the lockdowns are a direct correlation to this generational Carnage that a lot of young people are living through and you know a lot of adults will say oh young people just need to work harder I agree you know there is a work ethic issue but how about we take a pause and we tell young people like we were wrong this never should have happened but we never should have took prom and graduation and and I and I I know a lot of you out there that are adults were against it so I'm overly generalizing but the consensus of the American adults did it it's a fact right they just did and it was it was so perverse when you really think about it which is the 15 16 and 17 journals that have their whole life ahead of them they need to be locked at home so that they won't spread a virus to their grandparents now I'm not a fan obviously of anyone's spreading viruses to anybody but the question should have always been the kids come first what's right for them first because now we see the result right and not to mention all of our insane fiscal policies around this and I say this to conservatives all the time and I think that we could find some agreement with some people on the left here tonight which is you want to know why so many people on the left on younger that love socialism yeah part of it they want free stuff and they've been indoctrinated all that obviously that's all totally true I get that but I want you to put yourself in a young UT Austin grads shoes for a second they graduated with a Philosophy degree and now they have to go become a barista or whatever you know the the career the career track is I mean I mean that non-jokingly right and they were like wait a second I did what I was told I borrowed the money I got the piece of paper I'm seventy thousand dollars in debt whatever right and now they go to go pay rent and everything's twice as expensive because we decided to go print a bunch of money we didn't have and inflation is crushing people and good luck trying to buy a home if you're a young person right now with what 6.6 interest rates and down payments Out Of Reach and I and this is something that is some conservatives reject this argument but just hold on which is some people that then Embrace socialist ideas at some point you have to wonder like man you can blame them a little bit but did we create the conditions where they're ready to embrace free enterprise and the answer is no I hear all the time and this is probably the best argument from the left right now in America and since there this is for the left they're so busy talking about stuff if they were smart they would talk about this stuff they would win everything but instead they're too talking about race all the time and defund the police and men becoming pregnant if they were smart if they were smart they would say the very simple which is very really true which is a 25 year old is working harder and getting poorer than any other time in American history that's true not American history last 50 years and not only is that true it creates a lot of anger in people and it should because you have a rule following generation That's What I Call gen Z and Millennials because they followed every single rule put in front of them and they say I can't afford gas I can't afford groceries I have to go into debt just to be able to survive and they want to just be preached by the older generation like oh just go work harder go apply yourself more you want to all of a sudden you want to have a Marxist Revolution on your hands you got to fix this really quick you got you got a bunch of young people with college degrees that don't own anything that's not going to end well you got a bun you know it's a great rule for life people burn down Wendy's only if they don't own anything okay it's like the people if you own a mortgage you're probably less likely to go all of a sudden act on revolutionary fervor and I think we're on the cusp of an economic collapse in this country in more ways than one and again it's not even political it's just talking very realistically which is if do you think do you think the hard economic left which again this is the great miscalculation of the American Marxist and if there's a Marxist here and I'd be happy to talk to you because the market am I giving advice to Marxist right is quite a quite a thing which is they decided to go all in on this race Marxism garbage which actually was the best gift for those of us that are conservatives because they decided to show their true colors that they're actually not about economics they're about dividing People based on skin color and tribes and going against straight white men and all that sort of nonsense that they're doing when every single one of their arguments of like oh we need to confiscate wealth and others I'll totally complete garbage obviously being a free enterprise guy is has kind of Gone by the wayside in a way where you see you have a legitimate economic anxiety amongst the younger generation and so the question is how are conservatives going to respond to that well I mean I think our response needs to be of course rooted in Market principles and rooted in consent to the governing constitutional ideas but I have to even say beyond that it's we should also as conservatives be Defenders and we should be pushers of things that would give this generation that currently is telling us they're in Misery by every metric possible things that would give them meaning make it easier to marry and have children in our country make it easier to be able to buy a home to have a little bit of investment in that very same American Dream you want to de-radicalize a generation have them experience the same sort of growth that many of you experienced adults in the room in the 1980s your politics get very de-radicalized when you're getting wealthier and you start having kids you want to know why this generation has radicalized politics because they're getting poor and they're not having children and not getting married it's the perfect kind of raw material for every single one of these awful ideas to kind of go in and metastasize so it kind of goes both ways I tell young people work harder apply yourself more at the same time as someone who's kind of a bridge between Generations being 28 years old I think there needs to be a National Recovery print plan I don't know what that looks like I don't know what that means but I've said this before I would much rather see money go to help kids be able to own homes and have families and send it to Ukraine I think that is a much more important priority for our leaders and that's not a that's not a popular position in every room obviously it is here but I I think there's a moral obligation to defend your citizen so but yeah this look for those of you that are gen Z and you're here tonight and you don't know how you stand politically welcome by the way we're glad you're here um it's more important where you ask yourselves the question how am I going to be able to live a life of contribution and meaning and purpose and I guess I'll close with this and we'll do some questions which is it could be very depressing and very dark when you watch the news and all this but I I just want to be able to tell you that there is a beautiful life that is ahead of all of you there really is there are things that give your life meaning that you might be told on a daily basis you shouldn't do getting married having children having a job that you believe in being able to serve your country your church your community whatever those things might be those are very beautiful and important things and so we're kind of going through this massive thing where they say you know we have this Mental Health crisis on our hands and I know we do and there's a lot of different reasons for that lockdowns as I said contributed to it but what does a young person generally if they if they believed everything the left told them what are they to believe in yeah I mean exactly government yeah okay great that's awfully depressing right where it's can't we as conservatives paint a much more beautiful picture than that of safe local communities that function how about a future we don't care about skin color at all we don't talk about it um I think that's necessary and I think it's very compelling in fact I know it's compelling and I think that's a lot more important for conservatives to talk about than tax cuts and but it also goes into this which is one of the main strategies if you get a generation and no longer believe in the history and the story of that Nation then why wouldn't they just tear it all down and that that's one of the reasons why I'm such a defender of the American Republic and our history which is a beautiful history it really is the Great American story it's a Land of Hope it's a story where you can start with absolutely nothing and you can achieve something I just don't mean monetarily it's a place of Applied success and meritocracy and we have to get it back and that starts here at this campus and spreading the truth and having debate and dialogue and reason uh and hearing each other's ideas out but I'll tell you right now it's uh it's a massive crisis because I look at the Next Generation and I'm very afraid that we're going to be talking about a country that used to exist and I'm not okay with that and that's why I'm here tonight okay let's do some questions thank you guys for sitting through that I'm told that that guy was just arrested okay there you go so yeah just some ground rules everybody obviously it's somewhat of a majority conservative audience here you guys can feel free to form a line and ask questions if you would like if you disagree you can go to the front of the line um and then if somebody who is on the left comes please treat them with respect don't boo them or scold them it takes courage to go to an event of people that you disagree with so show them respect um and give them an opportunity to kind of state their case if uh if someone from the opposition goes there so feel free to get in line guys if you want um and okay question here all right howdy Charlie thank you for coming I'm sure that all of us are so exact that you're here finally um so before I ask my question I just gotta say this we need you to come to Texas A M University I know I know that we're here to you but I'm not the only person that thinks that okay so I don't remember if it was that SAS 2022 or at America Fest but I remember you saying that UT Austin is the most leftist University you have ever visited it's been a few years since you've been here so and and I mean you can elaborate on this is that does that still prove true I know you said UC Berkeley so okay so um last time I was here that was something I got to tell you we uh we had like a cameraman get assaulted and it was all sorts of crazy stuff um that was four years ago so I don't think this campus has gotten more conservative um but I think other campuses have gotten more liberal so by process of elimination you're no longer the most liberal school I visited so uh I guess you'll take it right so no but I will say this though I I'll repeat it the administration coming in and allowing our dialogue to happen hosting the event campus police uh that's very good I don't get that at every school I got to tell you we gotta fight for every for every single inch and uh so that's good I appreciate it but uh I said this kind of out in the open when I was there uh there is a lot of work to do here because some of the post-modern pablum that I was hearing uh it has some very very serious implications so the question I guess is also liberal versus leftist right liberal I'm fine with okay liberals like free speech Live and Let Live okay fine I'm not a liberal leftists really bother me leftists are the few people not a lot who came up today and they said you don't have a right to be here we want to kick you off campus okay uh leftists bother me they're totalitarians and they should bother you too instead of having debate or dialogue they resort to force or they try to intimidate you with you know threats or they try to play music while you talk so there's a difference between liberals and leftists and um I hope UT at least remains liberal and never becomes leftist in that regard thank you appreciate you Charlie thank you hi Charlie I also want to say thank you so much for coming out here and speaking to us today I have a question that's a little bit more political about transgenderism as a parent yourself what would you say to maybe a teacher who's pushing this agenda on to students maybe even your daughter one day yeah that person is a groomer who is a pervert and should not be in teaching to use their position and education to put forward radical baseless perverse gender queer theory on a five six or seven or eight year old um that that is that is a I mean I use the right descriptions right when I said that not only does it have no place in education the implications of that are quite obvious and evidence after evidence after evidence is surfacing of parents telling kids not to I'm sorry teachers telling parents teachers telling kids not to tell their parents right teachers coming in and saying you know do not repeat this and if we're at a place in society where we can't remove pornographic images from kids textbooks and then we got a serious problem and that's where we're at I mean if you're if you're seven eight or nine years old and you have this graphic graphic teaching it really is it shows a broader sickness why though why why why well it's because the innocence of children is worthy of being protected and preserved it's a moral good the innocence of children is very important because they never get it back and that period of childhood development where they are quote unquote as innocent as they can be is important for them to find out their values who grow close to their parents find out what's right and wrong you know what ends up happening when the innocence of children is robbed they're less likely to take risks and fail and learn who they are every study shows this when a child's innocence is quote unquote robbed you could use whatever graphic example you could imagine then all of a sudden are they are they going to be as likely to you know there's a great there's an old Hebrew proverb which is um someone who's afraid of being embarrassed will never learn it's a great Hebrew proverb isn't it which is they're going to be less likely to ask quote unquote the dumb question maybe more likely to be in their shell I think there's something really fun and exciting the five six or seven-year-old that asks the wackiest questions you can imagine because they're trying to explore truth we want to destroy that you never get that back once it's gone there's no reversing it and I think that's a very special thing I think every you know the kind of the beauty of what the West has been able to do is saying that those of us that are older and those of us that have some form of strength need to use that strength I mean strength more collectively not physical strength use that to protect children that can't protect themselves and then once they become to an age of informed consent we basically have that age around 18 then obviously they can you know make more decisions themselves but we're not even talking about 18. we're not even talking about 14. we're not talking about 12. we're talking about five six and seven year olds we're talking about the most moldable impressionable ages imaginable thank you for your question appreciate it [Applause] um hi Charlie I just want to open up by saying I am a leftist and I understand your perspective on thanks for being here but I did want to hear you out today and well you know ask a question so you said that you believe that quarantine is the cause of Our Generations like distraught essentially and I believe that is actually War like we were born fresh out of 9 11 some of us around the time of 9 11 and I don't know uh my father served in Afghanistan so I don't have a very keen perspective of the United States let's say but I I did want to hear you out on what you had to say and I do believe we have some common ground in the fact that capitalism has failed my generation more than any other in recent years yeah I didn't quite say that but um I would say lack of free enterprise in some ways but that's okay you got most of it so um yeah so the lockdowns not quarantine right that that was the word I used but I mean I'll just I'll prove it to you so the war thing aside I mean how many people in this room know someone that committed suicide or seriously harmed themselves in the midst of the pandemic just by a show of hands that's a lot I mean the numbers show suicide visits were 50 higher among 12 to 17 year olds during the same period in 2018. psychiatric medication prescription went up alcoholism went up drug use went up not to mention young people then re-entered an economy where everything was twice as expensive because we created a bunch of money because of the lack of productivity and the lockdowns and so I think it's just unarguable that the lockdowns made it played a huge role a massive role in really depriving a generation of the ability to congregate and to communicate can I say my perspective yeah sure um this is kind of personal but I was considering taking my own life before quarantine and I think discovering myself during quarantine is what saved myself I have the quite the opposite experience I know that is unique in that case but I would say that it's the opposite I would say it's the opposite case but that's just my personal perspective I think there are far more worse things that my generation has been exposed to than the lockdown and the inflation that you have cited during the lockdown that's arguably not the fault of the current standing president if you do believe that it is well right I mean first of all Biden created five trillion new dollars not created but he approved five trillion new dollars that was hyper hyper inflationary but I'll even give you that the other coveted relief funds never should have been approved but look it's not just the suicide issue but first of all thank you but we're glad you're here we're glad you didn't make that decision life is beautiful and worthy of protection I mean that and but it's from childhood speech impediment development it's from asocial cues it's from if you talk to any psychologist or child psychologist they do not have the bandwidth to be able to even facilitate the amount of kids and I know that you have an obviously exception experience but that is the exception right I mean it is self-evident that these lockdowns were unusually cruel and you know who they were most cruel to to poor families it was the most cruel to people that didn't have extra bedrooms or high-speed internet connection to be able to keep up with this the kind of zoomification of American Education was the hardest on the people that the the regime said they want to help the most and I mean so you're an economic leftist is that fair to say yeah I mean would you at least agree that for one of your passionate causes which is billionaires getting wealthier billionaires got 600 billion dollars wealthier absolutely and like your whole big big Tech sucks is that what it says I don't know what it says yeah but that's one of them absolutely on your side with that like and I don't think enough conservatives understand that the left are equally against big business as they are well some leftists right I mean it depends who you talk to me like the loud minority I would say are the ones that are make you get the impression that we're not against big business yeah I promise the ones that actually read are yeah excuse me where I'm a little cynical about that just to be honest where I have to hear they're against big business while they mandated a Pfizer AstraZeneca moderna vaccine of public traded transnational corporations and see that's more of like in my eyes a neoliberal concept okay but I mean it was find me one left-wing Senator that opposed that and it just didn't exist but I think you're coming at this from an honest perspective and I just I I'm I'm I'll just close with this is what drives me nuts about kind of the fixation on race all the time and all these other issues that I would prefer not to talk about is that I think there's actually agreement on kind of how things went wrong last couple years you blame capitalism I'd blame more cronyism a big government intervention over a lot of different things but I I'm afraid that a lot of what we spend our time talking about are some of the more superficial issues rated in rooted in race Marxism absolutely agree absolutely agree so I believe eclassism is the biggest issue in America yeah so let me ask you a question as a leftist you know why is it that the American left why why is the American elect allowing the conversation to be controlled by white liberals that just want to stay Rich it's big business paying them off it's it's not that's an honest answer that's a that's not you are a true revolutionary so God bless you comrade thanks for being here tonight so thank you thank you thank you man if you disagree come to the line whatever you guys want thanks all right so um abortion seems to be like a big topic these days and I was actually at your booth earlier I was just listening in and that was a big topic there too um and so I guess I just had a question about that because at the booth like whenever you were whenever someone was asking you like why why are we valuing the fetus it kept coming back to human life and um like I didn't really understand what you meant by that because when when you say human life the like human life by definition is an organism or a being that has human DNA and so when the fetus only really has that connection with you know like fully grown adults or just like born children what in titles the fetus to violate the property rights of the mother over her own body or to have the government do so on her behalf does that baby have unique DNA yeah so by your own definition that should be worthy of protection right no I don't believe that DNA has moral value just oh okay got it so so what when does human life begin well human life I guess if you say like an organism that is human species by definition begins at conception right so then my position is that being that begins at conception is worthy of constitutional rights and protection why what do what moral value does Simply Having being an organism even if it's just a single-celled organism yeah that has human DNA what moral value right because human beings are different human beings have the ability to have rational speech to Reason Not Just Consciousness not just the ability to feel human beings are the only species that cannot just feel pain and pleasure but can tell the just from the unjust human beings are something that is so beautiful and so special and of course I have many different reasons to believe this but I'll make a natural law argument that that DNA will never exist again it's distinct and it is living and if allowed uninterrupted growth that human being will hopefully mature into something just like you have and we're all abortion survivors aren't we uh [Applause] okay so you mentioned the I guess the rationality that makes human beings special but that single-celled organism doesn't have that rationality yet and so what qualifies the entirety of the human species so my seven week old doesn't have a lot of rationality yet it I mean my my baby girl eats and does other things and sleeps does I mean obviously you would agree it's that seven week old has value well yeah but I'm not coming from an argument of rationality I'd come for more of like a self-ownership type perspective and I simply don't believe that an organism that is inherently dependent like on the on like violating another person's property rights in order to survive right so but I mean my seven week old is very dependent on my wife and me that doesn't mean I can just eliminate my seven week old like I'm sorry obviously like the seven week old depends on like for practicality and living but if we're talking about a moral perspective right just the capacity to have rationality why does that give it more of that okay but we're talking about two different things I guess the question is do you believe just because something is dependent on another is that a reason that you could be able to eliminate that being if that being has to violate someone else's moral rights in order to do so yes really yeah so what moral rights or do you mean by that the right to have like autonomy of your own body if another actor is violating those rights then yeah to remove it I don't see a problem with that got it so so bodily autonomy would be more important than another being being able to live a full life yeah I would value a being that has the right to property over one that doesn't have a right to property yet got it just because the being is older and not in the womb and bigger and also because the being is a person and not just an organism okay so but if that being's one week old it's more than a single cell or organism yeah but that person that one week old still has like autonomy over themselves at least at one week old like has an inherent like got it okay natural autonomy so this is where we have Clarity but not agreement here's the problem okay morality that built the west and the morality that I'm going to defend tonight is that one week old can't defend themselves so stronger bigger people not in the womb need to insert themselves to make sure that one week old is not terminated by people that are just happen to be older and bigger than them is that regardless of size as soon as that life begins which you agreed it starts at conception that being deserves constitutional rights uniquely and fearfully made and it's the question of the morality of a society of what we're willing to do when that being comes into existence because human life is special human life is different than Dolphins it's different than chimpanzees we had not just have the ability to reason I'm going to make an argument you might not agree with yes human beings have a soul and a soul is worthy of protection I would even go as far to say that human being is made in the image of the Creator I don't expect you to agree at that final point okay so I guess um I would just believe that the only types of I mean at least the only types of humans that can have moral rights are ones that act as moral agents and a single-celled organism that's living in a womb or a multicellular organism that's living in a womb can you explain what you mean by moral agents moral agency well like so if you don't have moral agency then you could be up for elimination if you don't have I mean if you don't have moral agents if you don't have like the ability to like if you don't have ownership over your own body yet yeah so that by the way that is a babies until they're about 18 months old do not have ownership of their own body no I would say that they would they do okay how would my seven week old feed herself if I just left her in the crib that's not ownership over your own body though the ability to move your body by Instinct even is ownership of your own body okay so a 22 week 22 week old baby in the womb moves all the time you're contradicting yourself you have to have a line at 15 weeks six weeks there's a heartbeat I guess I would say that um okay so that was a good point thank you thank you I guess I probably just need to clarify that um what I mean by like self-ownership or moral agency because that that um that organism or that human whatever in the womb is still inherent like in order to like survive it's inherently biologically dependent even if it does nothing right it's biologically dependent on the mother and so if we talk about like late term like just I mean like I guess I don't want to go into that territory just like right now right um so if we say huh so like if we just talk about like early term like abortion I simply don't see I don't have like and I don't think that generally people see a moral value that is similar to even that of a newborn baby in something that is just conceived we have clarity thank you for your question man appreciate it thank you thank you uh hi so we've now had the covet vaccine out for about two years now right it's uh end of 2020 it came out uh and my question to you basically is uh how long is it going to take you to accept the fact that the coveted vaccine is fine for people to use um did you uh did you hear about what the Florida Surgeon General said the other day are you aware that over 2 billion people have taken the vaccine and there are incentives by other countries who have made their own vaccines to go against the United States and even Donald Trump himself so you don't know that yeah he's Trump against me that's really rich so um the Florida Surgeon General yeah said that the vaccine has caused an 84 increase in cardiovascular events for young men 18 to 40. why would he say that uh well you if you look if you look at the entire pool of people who have gotten the vaccine it does actually so let's let's do that raise your hand if you know someone that was harmed by the vaccine or had an adverse event look around well two billion people are they lying no look around that's a lot of people that have seen Adverse Events so don't you think that if if it really was all a conspiracy no no let's say let's say let's let's say it's not a conspiracy don't you think that the fact that like in in your world that this false vaccine has been distributed so uh like widespread throughout not just the United States but the world show demonstrates that the United States is a failed country no but so I I don't personally don't believe that the United States is a failed country I like living in the United States but I have faith in our institutions enough to say that a Distributing a vaccine to 300 something billion people in the United States that is false or that is like not uh safe to use well so so what do you know about the fares the government database of theirs the vaccine adverse event Reporting System but I can go on the system and refer whatever I want well no actually it's a very long exhaustive process that takes 45 minutes to an hour hold on under penalty of perjury to go to jail if you followed a false report and if you talked about a hospital they say it's underreported according to the government's website Thirty one thousand three hundred thirty people died because of the vaccine a government according to the government website 179 806 people were hospitalized 136 000 people were in Urgent Care 16 100 with Bell's Palsy 10 064 with anaphylaxis and over 207 576 doctor office visits five thousand miscarriages sixteen thousand heart attacks and 52 000 events of myocarditis and pericarditis that is not a safe or effective vaccine do you think that if we compare those numbers to the total amount of people who got the vaccine that it makes sense say it again I couldn't hear you what you can you can list like a large amount of people like 10 000 people sounds like a lot of people like 100 000 people sounds like a lot of people but when you when you divide that number by the amount of people who have taken the vaccine then you can look at the statistical rate you do realize compared to other vaccines and see it's the exact same thing if the flu shot has even six Adverse Events they pull it from the entire field for adverse it has six so let me ask you a final question how so the Florida Surgeon General said the following this analysis found that there's an 84 increase in the relative incidence of cardiac related deaths among males 18 to 39 years old within 28 days following the MRNA vaccination that's the Florida Surgeon General that has come out Pfizer came and testified today and they said we never tested the vaccine to be able to prevent the spread of the virus Pfizer has admitted the booster shot was tested on eight mice does that bother you do you realize that there's variance right the original code variance is the one that they're saying the mouse variant no the the the the the we have we have the Delta variant and we have the Omicron variant now right in the beginning the first variant of coronavirus is the one that they claimed the original vaccines uh stopped the spread out right and then the Delta weighed that off and then Omar Khan ran that off even more and now they don't say that they say that it prevents hospitalization and death which is still true right so here's the thing I'm going to trust not just the data not just the Florida Surgeon General not just my own Lying Eyes you looked around the room people have experience after experience after experience and by the way if you think it works God bless you take it have a great time but I have a moral obligation as a communicator not to lie to you and I'm looking at the data and I'm never going to back away from this position and honestly history is going to vindicate every one of us that told you not to take this thank you very much thank you sir hey Charlie thanks for coming out I gotta admit I was a little freaked out when you had all those numbers that you just pulled out I was like whoa don't mess with Charlie he has the facts ready to go it's a little intimidating right but uh and I have to say too like on the last comment even if there was only a one percent adverse effect why are we mandating it then why are people losing their livelihoods getting kicked or getting kicked out of the military exactly but my question to you is my question to you is are you a nationalist and if you are do you think nationalism is more leans more towards loving your people or loving the ideas of your country under the proper description yes I am a nationalist under the proper descriptions I think there's a lot of smearing and you should always value people more great thank you that was the quickest answer here appreciate it thank you hi good evening um I'll start by saying I'm a leftist but I found common ground with you on abortion and that I completely agree that you know whatever you want to call it a fetus at whatever stage it is it's alive um there's no there's no contention on that front my concern though and I want to hear your perspective on this is here in Texas we have the strictest abortion ban in the whole country there's no exception for rape or incest or for the life of the mother after six weeks my concern is that the government is mandating that people carry out their pregnancies even when it goes against their own life and their own well-being I can take an example of if if somebody's threatening to harm you you have a right to self-defense why not have the same give the same autonomy to people who are pregnant okay thoughtful question thank you so first thing is if you believe abortion is wrong which which you admitted it is well then you should obviously have laws that I'll clarify I didn't admit that abortion was wrong okay yeah I see it as a form of self-defense okay right so that's a new one well as the as the previous person says that that that person inside of you is completely dependent on you in a way different than a natural important so in most cases rape and incest aside how did that being get there I mean in in most cases through sex regardless of rape or incest yeah so there was a choice made I see your point even with a choice let's say you invite someone into your home and they still decide to assault you does that mean you not have a right to self-defense against them well no I think that for example if you have a bunch of teenagers over your home and they start wrecking everything you shouldn't be shocked when all of a sudden you wake up the next morning and things are a little awry but we're not just talking about wrecking a home we're talking about wrecking your own body your own personality well hold on again rape and incesticide which I'm happy to answer and happy to talk about the moral aspect of that but 98 of all abortions are done as a form of birth control right sure it's a form of birth control how did those people get pregnant usually through consensual sex right so they may they they are pro-choice they made a choice to have consensual sex and now they want to be able to use scientific medical technology to crush a being that is not them is a different person out of convenience let's say you have a child who is who needs a kidney transplant and you are the only one who can supply it at um and use and you can essentially allow them to use that kidney what if the operation goes too long they're still kind of using your blood for months on end should the government mandate you know maybe not kidney I love these hypotheticals I I I gotta I got it earlier I got the most amazing hypothetical we don't have to overthink this like why should children get the death penalty because their parents decided to have conceptual sex I don't understand even sir even if you consent to say taking care of your child through the you know transfusing blood or whatnot should the government mandate that you have to continue that consensual blood transfusion again under the unrealistic hypothetical and I reject the whole premise of this the question is unreal let me answer it more broadly do I think the government should step in to protect and preserve human right if by be it by mandating especially when the question is termination or not of course the answer is yes but it says a lot when I there's a there's a very serious concrete question and kind of we got the yield to these abstractions which is fine the philosophical sides and the kind of hypotheticals are fine are legitimate I suppose in some sense but it comes to be just more concrete right you've got a million abortions every single year okay 998 000 of them are because of a form of birth control do you find something wrong with that not necessarily okay I think there is something wrong with that I think that just looking at the last resort to be able to terminate human life as a form of girth control is not just sick it's immoral and it says a lot about who we are as a people and kind of the folding of culture the folding of a cultural life in our nation and so I'll just ask one final question when does human life begin it begins a conception but that doesn't override the right to bodily autonomy and self-detection okay so that's interesting so you it does begin at conception so does that mean someone who is larger than another being has the right to terminate them because why why is it bodily autonomy just because the being is in them the size doesn't matter it's it's the self-defense if if a if a toddler is running a knife at you you can knock it down you know it's you I'm I'm sorry I'm kind of impromptu here that's okay yeah well so I'll just close with this um don't use that analogy again yeah no that was a that was a bad one thank you for being here tonight thanks thank you um thank you so much for coming out here and for like facing disagreements first I guess I really appreciate it um all right I had another question coming up here but I really I the bait is there and I have to take it um okay so I am also a pro-choice and I was wondering how um like you you said um to the previous dude back there that um the government in cases where human life is at risk should step in through any means necessary be it through mandates be it through bands things like that right again that was a hypothetical answer let me clarify it I think the government has a moral obligation to protect innocent life when confronted with the question of someone intervened intervening to end that life so if a police officer standing idly by and you see someone on the side of the street and someone is going by to about to kill them the police officer being an agent of the government has a moral right to intervene I'm sorry I do have to take like a little bit of a caveat here so the behavior of the police officers and the Uvalde shooting was disgusting well I totally agree do you believe okay but guess what I'm consistent the cowardice that happen at Uvalde is the cowardice we allow to happen when there's a million abortions in our country every single year all right okay okay which is standing idly by when children unspeakably get massacred uh I don't know I think there's a bit of a difference and the analogy that I usually use or the question that I usually ask pro-life people is um do you believe that the government should mandate organ donation even in cases of like things like donating your kidney or right now we have a policy where even after death if you know you have like religious things where you have um where you know your whole body has to be intact in order for like burial rights and things like that to happen we say that you shouldn't have to donate your organs but the pro-life case seems to extend to the idea that even people who are living should have to give up their kidneys to people in hospitals maybe who need kidneys well I don't quite see it that way um but what makes a uterus different well first of all again in 99.67 of the cases The Woman made a choice that could potentially what about those point four percent what do you think should happen then oh I think the baby should be delivered of course because I'll give you an exam let me just prove it to you if I had two ultrasounds and one of them was a baby conceived in rape and one was a baby conceived in consensual sex of course which one is it I do I I do you can't tell because they'
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