Charlie Kirk Faces Off With Washington State Students on Trump Deportations, NATO Spending, and Campus Free Speech

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All right. If you disagree, go to the front of the line. Thank you guys for being here. We'll be here for a little while. Get comfortable. We'll keep on throwing out hats and uh it's great to be here in this beautiful day in Palman. Oh, I love that. That's great. All right, first question. Yes, come on up. And thank you guys so much. >> Hello, Charlie. >> How we doing? >> I'm doing pretty good. Uh my name is Phillip and uh my question for you is if you believe that Trump's deportation uh of illegal immigrants is unconstitutional. >> Oh, it's very constitutional. Yeah. >> Okay. Uh >> I disagree with that. I believe that it is in a violation of the fifth amendment which provides due process to all persons in the United States. This would include non-citizens and many of these people are being deported without having a trial or going before a judge which is in violation of the due process. >> Yeah. So you are right that if is this on you are right if that if there's an illegal here and they commit a crime while they are an illegal citizen or that legal resident or legal individual uh illegal they do get due process. However, there's two exceptions to that. There's something called expedited removal. So, if someone comes within 14 days or they're within a 100 miles of the border, the Supreme Court has ruled that you do not have to give them the same due process rights. Or if you invoke the Alien Invasion Act, which President Trump has, 1798 law, which allows you to expel people that are here that might be part of enemy gangs or enemy um organizations that have invaded the homeland. So, under those two provisions, you are allowed to expel people here in the country without traditional due process rights. >> Well, I do have some issue with that. Uh specifically with your second point of Trump relying on the Alien Sedition Act, uh we can see that whenever Joe Biden >> It's not the Sedition Act, but you're close. Yeah. No, you're good. It's the Alien Invasion Act, but it's fine. It's all good. >> Uh >> it's actually they were passed right next to each other, so you're not you're not that far off. >> So, uh we can see with Joe Biden when he tried to forgive student loan debt, he was relying on a law that was roughly 20 years old. And the Supreme Court said in that case that a president relying on a law that was passed in a time that's too different from today's times can be unconstitutional. And I think if that was ruled to be unconstitutional with a law only being 20 years old that Donald Trump relying on a law that was passed in the 18th century uh would be very unconstitutional. >> That point sounds smart. Should we get rid of the First Amendment? >> I'm confused where you're going with that. It's pretty old. >> The First Amendment has >> It's from 1787. Should we get rid of the abolition of slavery? That's from the 1860s. Should old laws be getting rid of? >> Just because it's old doesn't mean it's bad. Should we get rid of the Second Amendment, the Fourth Amendment? You're the one arguing for due process, which actually was authored in 1791. >> Well, the difference is these mean it's bad. It just means just criticize it on its merits, not how long it's been around. >> But these things have been reaffirmed several times with the First Amendment. There have been several cases regarding the First Amendment. We can see that it was incorporated into the states. Uh, and we can see with other cases like West Schoolbird versus Barnett. >> Same same with the Alien Invasion Act. It's never been ruled unconstitutional. It's it's been heard many times, >> but when has it been reaffirmed by the Supreme Court? >> Multiple times. It's never I believe in like 1850 there was another 1950. It hasn't in the last couple of decades of which there will be a legal challenge. But understand this is specifically about trend arago and MS-13. That is specifically the carve out of this law that allows the president to have expedited removal of people that are affiliated with enemy gangs that by the way have committed crimes here of the interior of the country to get them off our homeland. And so the question really is if you're part of an enemy gang, shouldn't you go back to your country of origin and not stay here in the United States of America when you're raping or murdering or having domestic violence or abuse? Not only that, the American people overwhelmingly voted for that in November. Well, I don't believe that these people who are being deported are affiliated with a criminal organization. At least the majority of them aren't. The Trump administration has not every one of them has documentation that they're part of MS-13, including Garcia from Maryland. >> That's not correct. >> The Maryland dad actually, it's come out. He was part of MS-13, acknowledged he was part of MS-13. He actually beat his wife in 2021. His wife says, "I want to I actually don't want to be around my husband anymore because my husband Garcia is beating me." He said he was afraid to go to El Salvador because an enemy gang was going to come after him. Huh? Enemy gang. That sounds like a gang member to me. And guess what? You should be happy. He's home. He's from El Salvador and he's back in his country of origin. We sent him home. He's not an American. He's not an American resident. He's an American citizen. He's not here legally. He broke into the country, committed crimes, was part of part of MS-13, and was removed under this provision back to his country of origin. All of which is legally and legal and perfectly accessible. >> You're saying all these things and while they might be true, they've not been shown to be true. And the Trump administration claiming that these things are true gives dangerous precedent. >> If the Trump administration shown to be true that a person living here is part of an a game, a gang, >> he acknowledged it. It's not he said it in his own asylum cases in 2019. His own documents, he said, "I am part of a gang that if I go back to El Salvador, I will be murdered. I need asylum in America because another gang might murder me. And again, this guy beat his wife. Like, why why are Democrats going out of their way to defend the worst of our society? Maybe they should fight this hard for American citizens for once. Like, you want to know why Trump is so popular? The left goes out of their way to fight for foreigners that have broken into our land and commit crimes and that have affiliation with the worst organizations on the planet while the American citizen is being left behind. That is the power of our movement. And I wish the American left would have some spirit and some fight for the forgotten men and women of this country, >> not just foreigners here illegally. A final point if you'd like to make one. >> Thank you for your time. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> So, I'm getting my education to become an actuary so I can >> get a job, make money. um and that that >> but anyways I'll put my >> what your like level of education was and why you didn't go to college or dropped out or whatever. >> I'm a proud high school graduate. Um so and and an American entrepreneur that now imply employs a,500 people$100 million budget you know millions and millions of people follow us and I didn't have to go to college to do that and so if people think college is for them then great. >> Okay. How did you get there? through hard work and grit and determination and travel. >> Did you make connections with other people? Did you network? >> Yeah. And actually, college wouldn't have helped at all with for that. >> Okay. How? >> Well, because I was trying to meet successful, rich, seasoned, conservative people to seed fund my operation. And if you're trying to find successful conservative people, you don't go to college campuses to find those people usually. >> Uh, well, if you look at the crowd, all these people here are conservative. So, I don't know what. >> Fair enough. Again, emphasis on wealthy, successful business people. I'm sure there are some in the audience. >> So, you're calling all these people poor. >> Well, no, they I'm calling them students. >> Okay. So, unless someone here is like a cryptobillionaire, I want to meet you. Um I again I was looking for seed funding of which is very normal for a startup operation to do. >> But again, I weighed the cost and the benefit. I took a gap year. It's been 13 gap years. However, I I I am curious. >> Does it matter that I didn't went to college? Do we want to debate resumes or ideas? No, I just ideas not to me. >> Okay, so you are studying to be an actuary. Cool. Explain to me, are you worried at all that artificial intelligence will take your job in five years? >> I've asked a few I've had many uhformational interviews with actuaries. I've asked them that same question and they aren't worried. They actually think that it's going to help actuaries do their job more efficiently. Um especially with like computing on the computer. So, I mean, but the job itself isn't going to go away because of um AI, >> but there might be less actuaries. >> Well, it's a very secure job. So, I I'm not worried. >> I mean, again, I only I know dangerously little about an actuary, but let's say that you're an actuary for an insurance company. >> Yes. >> I would imagine part of being an actuary for All State or State Farm would be the synthesizing and the collection of tens of millions of data points, finding trends and averages, and then trying to project where that data is going to go. Right. >> Yeah. Objectively artificial intelligence is going to be better than 99% of human beings with that way and there's no human cost and you can run it 24 hours a day. So you're right there still might need actuaries to make final determinations but again I don't know enough about it but to say that AI won't touch your field. I think it will. In fact I think it will lower the headcount and make entrylevel new graduates from schools like this with actuary degrees or math degrees not nearly as important as it was 10 years ago. Hence my hypothesis that college is a scam. that a lot of people here are getting degrees that will be replaced by robots or artificial intelligence and half the audience if you get a job that actually half the jobs that are available that kids end up getting don't even require college degrees in the first place. >> Okay. But so you're saying AI is just going to totally replace everything? >> Not everything. No, I said I'm hypothesizing. I don't know enough about how what actuaries do, but you heard my 30 secondond shtick somewhat >> directionally correct I imagine. Right. Because insurance companies, the backbone of how insurance companies make money are actuaries because they have to know what to pay for rates and then pay out for, you know, hurricanes or fires or for are people going to drop dead. They have to project that data into the future. >> I mean, AI is really good at math right now. It's getting better and it's getting better and it's getting better. And so if we get to a place where they think it's going to get I and you're a business owner, why employ 5,000 actuaries that you know require benefits and health? >> What about the human element? Like an AI can predict something, but a human can outweigh whether or not that's the right decision or not. >> Oh, of course. No, I'm saying the headcount of actuaries will inevitably go down. So you'll end up with like a hundred really seasoned actuaries and all the 4,990 people 900 would probably be largely unnecessary because the number crunching, the data synthesizing, the projecting can be done much quicker and even more accurately in a shorter period of time. >> Yeah, I mean we are already using computers to calculate data with coding. So I don't know what you're trying to say here. >> Well, this is much different though. the the AI can assume some of the human characteristics to be able to blend data models, project them, think analytically. AI is even more advanced than what you are seeing publicly. It's way more advanced. It's like two years more advanced. The the private artificial intelligence of what companies are paying for right now is would blow your mind what they can actually get. So again, I don't know enough about actuaries to be able to make a determination, but if I were guessing, I would say that 90% of actuaries are going to be out of work in the next 10 years. >> Okay. So, can we go back to the original question with college being a scam? >> Yeah, but that's that's part of the point is that if you're if you're borrowing money, >> but not just actuaries, not just me, but like other majors, other jobs. Uh you always talk about like social like liberal arts majors, but what about like I I don't know like teachers? Teachers need to get credentials. >> Well, teachers are also going to largely be replaced by artificial intelligence. There are >> Why would we do that? >> Well, but it's already happening. It's not a matter of why. Again, I actually think there are some problems with it. >> You would like kindergarten to be teach taught by an AI. >> I'm I'm observing a trend. I'm not even saying it's good. I'm saying it's happening. Okay. >> I'm saying that we are seeing teacher headcount go down across the country because >> also because it's hard to make a living being a teacher. >> Well, also AI is far more customizable. It actually is able to have learning plans based on a lot of different characteristics of the individual student. We're seeing kindergarters across the country use it. I'm not saying it's a good thing. I actually think it we lose the human element of teaching. Yeah, we can agree on that. But it's happening, right? So we could fight the future. It's the direction it's going. >> So the question should be is college worth it like it was 20 years ago. And increasingly the answer is no. Again, half the kids in this audience, I'll reiterate it because I wasn't as clear as I should have been. Half the kids in this audience, if they get a job, they'll end up getting a job that doesn't require a college degree, rendering their time here largely useless. >> But they network here and they make friends and stuff. You also can network outside of college. You realize that, right? If the if if if the argument is that this is a this is a glorified LinkedIn, >> if that's what college has become, >> I'm not really trying to make that point. >> What what then then make the point why 80% of kids are here that should be in college. Like, >> well, if you go to college and you have it on your resume, you have a degree. What that shows is that you can finish something and that you are trustworthy of finishing something. Increasingly, people are looking for kids that didn't go to college. In fact, they're bringing back competency tests and IQ tests. Increasingly, it matters less and less of the credential. Matters more and more of the competency and the character of the applicant you're looking at. Look, you are right. In certain fields, they require a college degree. Respect. Totally right. >> But that's >> So where do they go then? Where do they go >> for what to and no college? Where do they go? >> Any Well, we need more welders, entrepreneurs, carpenters. >> He's already going I had a old roommate. He left to become a electrician. >> He's going to end up making a lot more money than most of the people in this audience actually. >> Okay. So, what do they do? Everyone's becoming an electrician. >> Everyone, you know, we have 11 million open jobs in this country right now that pay more than $80,000 or more a year that don't require college degree. We just >> So, they just become un they just go there or >> Well, yes. So, for example, let's be honest. >> Well, hold on. Just because you don't have a degree doesn't mean you don't have an education. You can be a lifelong learner right now because we have these supercomputers in our righthand pocket. You could take Hillsdale online courses. You could do the Peterson Academy. You can listen to deep podcasts. You could you could learn more by listening to 50 hours of Joe Rogan talk to scientists than I don't know than the sociology department here at Washington State University. So the point being is just because you did not go to college or get a degree does not mean you are not cultured or that you are not in pursuit of knowledge. We actually have more opportunities for people to be wise and to understand the world than ever before. But let me just reiterate it. Many of the people here in college are in college because there's a shame element to becoming a carpenter. There's a shame element to becoming an electrician. No one wants to say, "Oh, I work construction." And no parent is like a proud parent. They're like, "What's Johnny doing? Oh, Johnny's become a welder." It's like that's kind of looked down upon. Instead, it's like, "Oh, my, you know, my kid goes to Washington State or my kid goes to UW." There's nothing necessarily wrong with that, but we have 11 million job openings in this country that people simply don't want to do right now and that's a tragedy and they pay really, really well and they're not going to be replaced anytime soon. >> Okay. >> All right. Thank you for your time. >> If I got anywhere with you, but thank you. >> Have a good day. >> Of course. All right. Howdy there. Um uh Sam here. um trying to get a business degree and I wanted to ask personally if you should believe Pride Month should be continued. >> Uh we should only have American Pride Month in the month of July. >> So no I again I I wouldn't do anything legally about it but no I I don't think that any government building or government entity should celebrate what happens in June. >> Okay. >> So you just believe it should be basically privatedly celebrated? >> Yeah. If you want to, you have a right to do it, of course. Obviously. >> Okay. Well, thank you for your time then. I just wanted to ask. >> Okay. Thank you very much. Next question. >> Hello, Charlie. >> Hello, Charlie. How are you doing today? Good. All right. So, mine's just I think it's a little dumb question, but I feel like you know more about this than I do, but I think it's a really important question. My question is basically, you know, how the country is divided basically into Republican, Republican, and Democrat, right? And we've kind of became really really really really really divided like you know with all the people right here you could hear like a really big protest going on right over there. >> Our crowd's bigger but that's >> yeah but yeah why why do you think we have become so divided as a country? >> Yeah it's not actually a stupid question. I mean part of it is I mean look it's going to sound like overly simple but but I I do want to ask a question to prove my point. The side that believes in freedom of speech is the side that I believe is on the right side of history. >> Yeah. Ha has has there been an instance, guys, where a liberal has had an open mic on campus where conservative kids can ask questions and you guys feel respected. How many of you kids here on campus, raise your hand, do you feel as if you're graded down if you come out as a Trump supporter or a conservative? This is the why we're so divided. Look around. And I hope the professor is still here to look at this. It is not because of conservatives. We seek to heal this country. I'm trying to find common ground. We're trying to look at each other as fellow citizens. Conservatives on campus are treated terribly. Just the other day, by the way, is that student here, the student that got punched in the face? Where is he? Come on up here. This kid's amazing. >> What's your name again? >> Jay. >> Jay. So, so this is Jay. He has a gift for me. That's fine. So Jay got punched in the face by a professor here at Washington State University because he was wearing a MAGA hat. Jay, am I telling the story correctly? Come on. Come here. Okay, I'll open the Do you want me to open the gift now? >> Okay, come on up here, Jay. >> So Jay, very I don't want to put you on the spot. So you got punched in the face. You got punched in the face by a professor here. What happened? Well, basically, so um sir, well, so what happened everyone was I I was walking to Valhalla to get uh my food exchanged and um PhD student Patrick Mahoney as well as his accomplice Gerald Hoff did not like the hat I was wearing. All right? Or Patrick, whatever. And and Pat and when my head was down, remember I made zero eye contact with him. He saw my hat. He ripped the hat off my head, crumbled it. I had to go confront him and say, "What are you doing, dude?" because he had the hat on it. Then he told me to go get it. I'm sorry. Then then after that, of course, he leaned towards me. So like you see, I had to go throw my food at his face. And then and then what? Well, no, he did because I I thought he was about to throw a punch. What What happened to him? What? No. No. What happened next? He charged at me. I had to I had to stand, you know, my ground. And then also Gerald Hoff also came at me to Gerald who grabbed my leg. I was falling down. Patrick grabbed my chest, slammed it on the con road pavement. Then he grabbed my head and also slammed it on the road pavement as hell. And when he did that, I remember, oh my goodness. No. So on like far left like Reddit and also Discord, crushed the heads of your opposition. Crush the heads of your fascist when he did that. >> And and this was a professor, right? >> Yeah. He was teaching. >> Teaching 103. So by the way, God bless you, man. Thank you so much. That was really great. Thank you. Um, this is why we're divided. I hate to put it that way, but if if a conservative professor would have hunted down a Kla Harriswearing student, it would have been a hate crime and the number one news story in the country. Now, we could barely get attention for a young man who was punched by a professor here at Washington State University. They're the ones dividing the country. We're the ones trying to heal it. >> Thank you. Hi, Charlie. First off, it's great to meet you. >> Yeah, sure. And I'd like to thank you for putting this whole thing on. I think we definitely need more room for open discussion between the left and the right. And I think that the lack of that is what has contributed to so much, you know, polarization in our country. But I do have one like particular policy question for you. So, I was watching a video of yours about a week or two ago, and you were talking about the Biden pill penalty and the inflation reduction act, if you recall this. And not to misquote you, but I believe your exact words were um gutting medical care research to fund green energy giveaways. Is that correct? Does that sound about right? I >> I Yes, but I should have been much more precise. I could tell you why I don't like the pill penalty if you'd like. >> Okay, I I'll >> But I acknowledge I could have been more precise. >> So, from my understanding from reading the bill is that there are two separate streams. So like the green energy reform comes from corporate taxation and the decrease in medical research that you're talking about comes from lowering prescription drug prices which in turn could lower the amount of medical research. But it's but it's projected that in 30 years we could see a 1% decrease in that. And just to add a final point to my question, you seemed very bothered about how this would disrupt medical research, but I haven't heard you speak out yet about all the funding and the money that Trump has withheld from multiple institutions that do medical research. So, I'd just like >> That's a great question. What's your name? >> Shay. >> Shay, thank you. That's a great question. Very policy specific. I'm going to do my best to answer without boring the crowd. I'm a So, number one, I'm a big believer in private incentives, >> okay? >> And a reduction of public funding. So if someone were to come up, let's let's just take a a drug and I'm very anti- pharmacological agents most of the time, okay? >> But a drug that is is objectively really good for humanity is a statin. Okay? Like statins are really really good. They lower your cholesterol. I would prefer you lower your cholesterol in other ways. Cholesterol isn't also the killer people think it is. But there is a correlation sometimes with high LDL levels and heart attacks. We can agree with that. >> Yes. If someone was to create the statin >> and all of a sudden they were not there was not a profit motive for them to be able to sell that product then why invest all that money in the research and the development. So that's where I come from on this is that if we are to find drug breakthroughs then the people that are investing that money need to have an incentive to do so and there that is one of the reasons why America has led the way in some of the most exciting drug advancements of the last 20 or 30 years. public funding does not always have that same sort of incentive structure. Now to to strong man my own argument against me some of the greatest medical advancements have come through public funding but not all of them and so it's a mixture. So what the Biden pill penalty did part of the inflation reduction act is it would have severely jeopardized the patent window basically that a successful drug would have had basically deincentivizing future investment in drug breakthroughs that could have helped a lot of people. >> Yeah. So, I completely understand. So, I completely understand why you're talking about incentives and how >> if the incentive is lower that we're not going to see as much production of new drugs, but >> we've seen like policies like this go into effect in multiple other countries that have much better health care and better research than us. You see this in Switzerland, you see this in Germany and Norway. Much of the Scandinavian countries that have very fortified health care systems have already adjusted to this. >> You are right that they have lower costs, but do they have this robust innovation? No. Now, Germany does. Germany has a very good drug industry. So, that would be an exception. To grant you a point, Germany has some of the best drug company. Best, you know, I think Bear is not that great company. But anyway, the point being they're they're very innovative. >> Yeah. >> So, it's it's a balance. I tend to lean on the side of innovation, not on the side of price controls. >> Okay. But like it's great having like these drugs and them being available to the public, but I kind of where I think I disagree with you is what's the point of having these drugs if they're so inaccessible to the consumer base that like it's great having >> that's a good argument >> like >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So you have to find some sort of a medium. I think the Biden reached too far. >> Okay. where the potential biotech market >> was again it could have been alarmism but at least the story that I was presented would have been a flight of capital >> and and that's a serious problem like for example there is not like a robust biotech industry in Sweden >> I I can completely agree with that we're the headquart like we are the epicenter of the world >> and I don't think we should lose that like there again I say this as a maha guy who thinks we take way too many pills but there are some potentially very exciting drugs like for example for kids that have likethreatening illnesses, like stuff that we can all agree that we want to try to see breakthroughs on, right? >> Yeah. >> Um, and we can also get to root causes, but I don't want to see us lose the biotech edge, and I hate to always like pull this card, but China is catching catching up to us on biotech, >> and I think it would be awful if all of a sudden they're the ones that control the IP to potentially life-saving drugs for our kids. >> Okay. So, >> does that make sense? Like, final point. I understand what you're saying. Um my question for you then on that, if you're against the Biden pill penalty, I'm yet to hear you propose um an alternative to that, how would you recommend bringing down prescription drug prices while maintaining that research? >> The only solution that I have found is you have to make it quicker and easier to get drug approvals. >> Okay? >> Is that the the there's too much waiting time for research and development and testing and trial and you have to be able to get from inception to drug to market way quicker. you have to compress that time frame >> which would then create a lot more competition in the biotech market >> which would then inevitably hopefully lower prices. >> And just one tiny question for you just because I've been wondering how you feel about this. You're obviously clearly very pro tariff, pro protectionism when it comes to bringing back like the American economy and the American workforce. How did you feel about the Chips and Science Act, the bipartisan act that Biden helped bring in? >> Some of it was really good. Some of it I really didn't like. >> I can understand that. I can understand. >> Some of it like I I live in I live in Arizona. Yeah. And part of what was part of that bill was bringing the Taiwanese semiconductor industry to Phoenix. >> Yeah, >> we have like 10,000 new jobs. It's amazing. >> Yeah. >> So, some of it was actually pretty good. >> Okay. >> Thank you for your time. Thank you. Very thoughtful question. Thank you. Give it up for Shay. That's how conversation should go, everybody. That's great. >> Sebastian, give it up for >> like this. Is that good? Is that good? Can you hear? >> Okay. Hey, Charlie. How you doing? >> Good. So, I have a question, Charlie. You talk a lot about patriotism and supporting our troops. So, I want to ask you, why did you and your movement have outrage when Joe Biden checked his watch when the 13 service members were coming home, but no outrage when Donald Trump is going golfing when four service members come home dead? >> Um, you have to tell me. So, you would have liked to see President Trump go and visit when when they Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I I agree that checking the watch is probably disrespectful as well, but >> now I will make one distinction if that's okay. >> Go for it. >> Joe Biden was responsible for those 13 guys that died. Donald Trump was not. Now, Donald Trump called all those families. He wrote them all letters. Now, what do I mean by that? Those 13 service members when Joe Biden checked his watch was because of Joe Biden's reckless withdrawal from Afghanistan. He was solely responsible for the death of those 13 people. the four men that Donald Trump did not go to the funeral service of of which I think JD Vance did for the record. But fair you could you can have an opinion on that. Yeah. It was because of a training exercise. That's a big difference. Donald Trump was not responsible for their death where Joe Biden was responsible for all 13 of those dying at that gate at the terrible withdrawal in Kabul. >> Golf tournament. It was a golf tournament. It it wasn't just some train. >> I understand. And again, I would bet you money that Donald Trump goes and counsels the families and goes above and beyond, of which is his reputation. He's been known to go above and beyond for family and service members. He hosted all 13 of the families the people that lost their lives in Afghanistan. And just so we are clear, you know, Joe Biden never called the families of those 13 that lost their lives in Kabul. And so you can have your own opinions about that, but you have to be morally clear about the differences between four terrible, awful deaths that die in a training exercise versus 13 that die because of a commander-in-chief being dear-elect in his duty. >> If Donald Trump does not uh do what you said he did with the 13 soldiers, will you condemn it? >> Well, I I again, if Donald Trump shows no remorse or sympathy, doesn't write a letter, or doesn't send them, >> right? Um, well, yeah, I would I would you know what I would do now? I wouldn't condemn it. I'd call and tell him to do it. >> Okay, do it. Have him do it then. >> Well, I bet he already has. I don't know every detail about this, but I would bet you a lot of money that President Trump has been incredibly magnanimous, charitable, generous, and empathetic towards those four soldiers. I could say that just because I know the man. I know his heart, and I know how he aches whenever anybody dies, especially service members in our wonderful military. >> Okay. What about when he disrespected John McCain, calling him not a war hero because he is captured? >> Okay. Well, that was a long time ago. Uh, for the record, this was this was an ongoing dispute between John McCain and President Trump. And for the record, >> outside of John McCain's service in Vietnam, let's be very morally clear, John McCain's foreign policy has been responsible for the unjust death of nearly a million people in the Middle East. So spare me that we're I'm not going to go out of my way to defend John McCain who was basically the author of the Iraq war, of the Libyan civil war, of intervention in Syria, of sable ringing against Iran, of saying that, you know, Russia is one of our greatest enemies. John McCain was a neoonservative just like George W. Bush. And so it was part of a long dispute between McCain and Trump. And honestly, Trump made good on it when he sent Air Force One to go have John McCain's ninth funeral in four days. Like I mean, you guys remember this? It was like the world's longest funeral. And so if we want to dig up something Trump said 10 years ago, I mean, >> I mean, I have service members in my family that were Vietnam War vets, and I think calling uh calling them suckers and losers is not a good thing. >> He never said that. That is that No. See, now this is where we're getting into fraud territory. He never said suckers and losers. You are right of what he said about McCain. >> White House people confirmed he said it. >> No, it was by Jeffrey Goldberg from the Atlantic. We know that slippery little snake that he is. >> That's not patriotism. the the chief of staff that and the national security adviser that hates him, John Bolton, said that he never said that about the D-Day. So, do not come up here and pedal hoaxes. You have to be very accurate. You have to look at original source documents. But he never said suckers and losers. President Trump would never believe that. Think that. In fact, he's been a wonderful fighter for America's military and will continue to do so. He never said suckers and losers. That is not correct. >> We can dispute that, but sure. >> There's no evidence. >> All right. Is >> do you have another thing on your piece of paper you'd like to mention? >> No, just that you're a coward and not a patriot. [Applause] [Music] >> Thank you. [Applause] [Music] >> Thank you. >> Oh yeah, there we go. Uh hello Charlie. Uh hope how hope you're doing well today. Uh, my name is Doug and I came today because I'm not really political generally to be honest. I'm I'm not even registered to vote to be honest. So, I just came here to kind of exchange like the marketplace of ideas, you know, that not to like debate or anything, but just to exchange the marketplace of ideas. And so, I had a question about a policy that I'm kind of conflicted on myself to be honest. So, I wanted to hear your opinion. Uh, so I was wondering, and please let me know if I'm like mis misinterpreting your political positions, but you are pro-life generally. Would that be a correct assessment? >> So, I was wondering, yeah, very much so. All right. So, yeah, I just wanted to check. So if given the opportunity that is like a hypothetical question would you go and abort Hitler before he was born or would you more so raise >> that's a very good question that's actually a morally good question it's not it could come across as a troll but continue >> well I'm asking the other scenario is if you would maybe bring him allow him to be brought to term so he could be raised in an environment where like similar to how Kanye West said he became more sympathetic to Jewish people after watching 21 Jump Street. Would you raise him in an environment like that instead? So maybe he would be a better person. >> All right. Now you're trolling. But um >> Okay. I'm sorry. I'm I'm just trying to find ask you the question. >> It's a It's a very difficult moral question. >> Yeah. >> I I don't know the answer. >> That's fine. Yeah. I don't know the answer either. Yeah. >> Okay. >> All right. Well, thank you for your time, Charlie. >> Thanks. Register to vote. >> I sure will, man. >> All right. >> Okay. Can you hear me? >> Yes. >> Okay. Uh my name's Isabelle. It's nice to meet you. I first of all I appreciate you having an open forum and not just talking at people like giving a chance for people to ask questions. So I appreciate that. Um my question is I'm not I tried to ask someone that knew but I don't know if on your stance if a woman is raped if they should be able to have an abortion or not. >> The the the baby's life should be protected is my position. So >> Okay. Are you aware of Lisa Mandina's case? Was this the Ohio young lady that had to go to another state to get an abortion? >> No, she was a Peruvian woman. Well, she was a kid. She was >> Well, this is a 10 or 11 year old or >> five actually. She was 5 years old and she had issues with her um her reproductive tract and she was pregnant. She was sexually abused and she got pregnant at 5 years old. >> I am familiar with the 5-year-old. Just so we can both agree, it's a real case that is extraordinarily rare. I mean, it's like a a one in 300 million case to be able to have to get pregnant before the age of even 10 or 11. >> I agree. But it's >> there's been like 12 documented cases. >> Okay. I feel like 12 is still a good amount. Like 12 is still a fair amount of people. You know, they're real people. They're real children. >> Yeah. 12 over 60 years is small, but it is real. So, please continue. >> Okay. So, I mean, rape is pretty common, right? Would you agree with that? >> Uh, it is. Yes. However, there's a lot of fake rape claims as well. But I mean, rape is not nearly as common as people say it is, but yes. >> Okay. Well, it's still a pressing issue. I think anyone here could agree that rape is a pressing issue, but >> for sure it happens. >> I don't understand how someone could argue that the 5-year-old should carry a baby to term. I don't understand how a 5-year-old girl could raise a child, how that child would be given a better life. I understand that you're giving the child life, but I don't understand. And I know you have kids. How old are your kids? >> Uh two years and uh one two years and one year. So >> So if you're you have really young kids in three years, three years is not a long time. I won't even have graduated in three years. Would you be okay with your child having another baby? >> This idea of 5-year-olds getting pregnant is so insanely rare that my question. No, no, it is like it's not even worth even addressing. However, like elementally there's another issue to your problem which is if they are 5-year-old getting pregnant, their life is in jeopardy. That actually is not the pressing issue of how they got conceived, right? So, we there's two separate things. Woman's life in jeopardy or >> the 5-year-old's life wasn't in jeopardy. They had a C-section and it was perfectly healthy. So, that's not the issue there. >> Yeah. Then the baby shouldn't be aborted. >> Okay. So, you'd be okay with your 2-year-old in three years having a baby? >> Well, no, I wouldn't be okay. But would I be would I be okay with terminating another life? No. >> So, you would rather your daughter at five have a baby than have it aborted? >> Yes. I would not be able to live with blood in my hands, would you? >> Okay. I think >> No, but let's walk through this. Would you be okay walking into an abortion clinic, hearing a heartbeat, seeing brain waves, seeing the baby on the ultrasound and say, >> "Yes, >> I think." >> Wow. That's really like that's dark. I But that's not my question. That's why >> No, no, no. It absolutely is your question. The question is, you asked me would I be okay with it. You said yes. There's no moral difference between a baby conceived in rape or not. >> There is 100% a moral difference. Also, you're >> No. No. Time out. Wait. Someone in this audience is conceived in rape. Do you know who it is? >> I have no idea >> because they are all human beings regardless of how they were conceived. >> Okay. But that doesn't >> Oh, no. Because there's no moral difference of the human being's method of conception. You don't get more rights if you're not raped or less rights if you're raped. You're a human being regardless. Universal human rights apply to all people regardless if they come from a loving family or they come from a horrific evil tragedy like rape. >> Okay. But what about the life and the moral well-being of the mother if and I think as a man it's something that's harder to understand if you are raped and you have to go through carrying that baby. That's something you will never be able to understand. And I can agree. That's why I didn't want to debate abortion. I can totally I just wrote a paper on abortion. And I can totally understand how in the cases outside of rape, incest, or the life of the mother, how it could be seen as murder or things like that, but I'm specifically talking about rape. >> No, I got it. It's But so let's you could see it as it's seen as murder. Then why would murder be the answer to rape? >> That's >> that's exactly what you're postulating. >> That is not what I'm That's not the answer to rape. >> I agree. So life should be the answer to rape is what we're saying. And if a baby is conceived in rape, you don't all of a sudden say, "Let's do something more evil because something evil happened." By no moral standard do two wrongs make a right. We know that. We're raised saying that. And so when e evil thing happens, human life created that human has rights. We have to respect them, including the right to life. >> And I'm saying I don't think you will ever be able to possibly come close to understanding as a man what it is like to be raped and have to carry that baby and relive all of that trauma. Do you know what it's like to be a man? >> Understand that. >> That's not what I'm talking about here. >> The point being is like, are we allowed to discuss stuff just cuz we don't know what it's like to be the other sex? >> Are we not allowed to discuss what it's like to get a vasectomy or what it's like to experience that? No. I don't. But have you personally been raped? >> No. Then how >> my mother has been raped and had to carry the point being is then how are you able to personally be able to >> because I'm a woman and I >> you're using a fallacy called a argument from authority that if you only have a certain merit badge or a certain distinction you're allowed to have opinions on that topic. Men can have opinions on this just because we have prostates and not uteruses. >> Okay. And I agree. You can have your opinion. That's I'm not saying you can't have an opinion, but I'm saying you can't begin to understand the depth of what that would feel like to be raped by someone >> and have to carry that baby. >> Yes. And equally, there are millions of women who regret having their abortions. I mean, so what is the argument? I The argument is >> I honestly I wanted to know about the 5-year-old and if you would like your 5-year-old child to have a baby. >> Of course, I would not like it. You are putting you are putting in an impossible moral situation of would I be comfortable slitting the throat of a baby on an ultrasound machine. >> It's not impossible because it has happened and I guess 12 times according to >> 12 times in 60 years. I mean it's so insanely improbable for a 5-year-old to go through prepubescent puberty and then get impregnated because they were raped. It's like you you have a much higher likelihood of like I mean it's like much higher likelihood of winning the lottery twice than that h than that happening just so we are clear and again but I I answered your question coming in good faith but would you agree then we can outlaw all other abortions except rape life of the mother and incest. I wouldn't necessarily agree, but I could I could I would have to think more about that. But I my main issues are with rape, incest, and >> again, my contention is that it doesn't stop being a human being just because of how that baby came into existence. >> Okay. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> I am part of the Washington State rugby team here on campus. >> That's a tough sport, man. >> Yeah, we actually just won the conference and got >> Wait, you the Pack 12 of two teams? No, it's it's >> so you beat Oregon State. >> We're we're a club. I'm trolling you. I'm trolling. We're a club sport, so we make our own conference. Um, but we just got invited to nationals and we have no way to get there. >> So, I was wondering if we could get some sort of fundraiser going so we can we can compete in nationals in Washington. >> How much money do you guys need? >> Like like 10 15 grand would do it. >> Just we just need to get there. >> We don't need to get back. >> No, no. Uh, yeah, we do need to get back to >> where is that? >> We can cover Uh, Washington DC. >> Oh, DC. Wow. >> DC. It wouldn't be fun to compete for the national championship in our capital. It is next weekend. >> Next weekend. >> Next weekend. I think that you can do it. If anybody can do it, Charlie, it's you. >> Okay. Um, if you can raise half, I'll put up the other half. >> Let's do it. >> All right. >> Okay. >> But not not here. Go. Like, if you go figure it out, we'll we'll our our show, the Charlie Kirk show, put you better not do this like private skimming stuff like >> of course not, sir. >> We need receipts like you're flying Spirit Airlines like you know. >> Yes, sir. We will stay in days. We will raise half the money to get to nationals. Uh, thank you. >> And then we'll match it. All right. Our team will be in touch. Okay. >> Thank you. >> All right. >> You better be telling the truth. >> I promise. >> All right. Not some sort of like he's launching a, you know, a cryptocoin or something, you know. >> Uh, yeah. And then talk to our our team. I'm telling you, you match half, we'll do half, you'll be at nationals. Okay. By the way, why doesn't the school pay for this? They got enough money. Why am I have to do this? But >> our our athletics are kind of low on funds right now. And we're not sponsored by athletics. were sponsored by the wreck, which >> it's all this bureaucracy, you guys. >> Exactly. >> Don't get me started, but why don't they why don't they put that sociology professor on leave and use that money to have you go to finals, right? >> Anyway, so we'll do half there. I'd like to say thank you for doing this. I enjoy time politics with my friends and everything, so I thank for this open environment. However, I think a big issue is that people just kind of find like a die hard and they're not willing to like say that they're wrong in certain aspects. So, I'd like to ask you just as a preface to all of this. Will you admit that with Trump, what he ran on from my perspective was largely the fact that he would end wars and the economy would be better rather instantly is what he was rather pushing for. However, the wars are still going on. We're still seeing crimes against humanity in Palestine and such force. So, will you admit that he was lying or at least didn't come through on his >> promises? No, no, no. I mean, he's he's trying to end the Russian Ukrainian war. He resisted is like, here's how amazing Trump is. Israel was like, "We're going to go bomb Iranian nuclear sites." And Trump's the one that stopped Israel from doing that. >> It's a big deal. >> You can you can acknowledge that's big, right? >> And so, as far as the economy, we're 80 days in. Gas prices are down, egg prices are down. We're going to see a major tax bill. How about we can agree? Let's talk in one year about the economy. Cool. >> Like, cuz it's way too early. Let's give Trump a year. >> See, I would like that. But the issue that I have with it is the fact that he said the second he gets in, like within the first week, I can't remember what his exact words were. He's like, "I'll make a call to Russia and we'll get this ended." That was his promise is what I'm having an issue. >> Fair enough. Yes, there are there is political bravado at times, but to Trump's credit, we are closer to ending this war than escalating it. Steve Witoff just sat down with Vladimir Putin, who is his special envoy, for five hours. >> It's an incredibly difficult situation to end. >> And I do want to see the wars end. I mean, you and I have agree an agreement. I happen to be on the pro-Israel side. I think >> what's happening to some of the civilians in Gaza is terrible. I want to see that come to an end. >> The rape and the murder and everything. Yes. >> Well, I I don't Do you have evidence of IDF soldiers raping women? >> There's a case with the radio rape and that was discussed in the Israel government, I do believe, with some of their official members. >> I'm not aware of that, but yeah. So, sure. I of course I don't support that. >> My second main thing is I struggle to see how Trump is for like the lower class of people. we see like with this tax I know you've talked about a bit with this tax cut and hopefully that comes through and that helps us. However, the tax cuts that push for the top 1% of people compared to him cutting Medicare, Medicaid and processes that help millions of Americans. I'm failing to see how that's and under the disguise of saying that is for money, but he's allowing less money. >> Let's go through the three things that Democrats are going to vote against. No tax on tips. That's a working class thing. >> No tax on overtime. No tax on social security. >> Those were big. >> Those three. >> And I'm okay with those. And he's actually proposing a tax hike on the 1%. I don't know if it's going to pass, but he has also pass he's also suggested closing the carried interest loophole. So there's a little more there than you might might always hear on the media. >> From my knowledge though, most of the taxes that he has provided though largely favored the top percent over the middle class though, unless I'm wrong, >> but to my knowledge, >> no tax bill has passed. >> Yeah, not this term, but in especially in like his past term, >> term it was largely a middle class tax cut. But yes, you are not totally incorrect. Wealthier people also paid less, which by the way, I I think less taxes for everybody is a good idea. >> But then may I ask you what do you think about like his cutting Medicare and Medicaid that helped millions of Americans that has not yet Department of Education. >> All of this is an ongoing discussion. So, and also I would he's not touching Medicare at all. Medicaid is very complicated. There's a lot of fraud. There's a lot of abuse. There's a lot of double dipping. So, I do think we need to reform Medicaid. Medicaid is a distinctly different thing than Medicare. See, I can agree with you on that on the reform part. Sorry. However, he's hasn't, to my knowledge, he has yet to bring actually a plan of reform. I've talked about with some of my friends that are Republican as well, and they said yes, that Medicare has its issues. And I completely agree. I think a lot of our government needs reform. However, a big of my issue is he's yet to propose a plan to actually reform it. His main thing is just let's get rid of it, per se. Same with like Department of Education. >> He's not saying to get rid of Medicaid. That that is not correct. But we should get rid of the Department of Education for sure. Like that like 100% that >> ask why. >> Yeah. Well, since the Department of Education, have education standards and outputs gone up or down? >> I believe they've gone >> depends on what standards you're talking about though. >> Everything. Reading scores, test scores, literacy are standing in the world. The Department of Education is the Department of Education Administration. There are 21 million people that work for the government in this country. >> 11 million of the 20 million work in education. Do you know 7 million of the 11 million are not teachers. >> They're administrators. They're desk workers. They're paper pushers. This is largely pushed by the Department of Education. >> It is the Department of Bureaucracy. >> Then why not reform instead of harm people in the process of trying to >> There is nothing good the Department of Education does that that cannot be sent to other departments. >> There you're telling me there's not one thing in the entire department of education of helping students whatsoever. Food >> that can't also be sent to other departments. See, that's the key. That's what you don't hear in the media. He's not getting rid of school lunches. He's sending that to the Department of Agriculture. He's not getting rid of student loans. He's sending that to Department of Treasury. >> But will it be handled properly? >> Better. Way better. What what do you what do you think a education bureaucrat or a a sophisticated financial expert at Department of Treasury is better at understanding student loans? >> Department of Treasury. >> So he's actually making it better and more efficient. So you think he's just deleting stuff. In reality, he's making things more efficient and sending them to other departments. Does that make sense? >> In a sense, I get that. But at the same time, the main worries there that there's no actual like solid concrete plan of like hope. You just don't know it. >> The entire thing is a big gamble. Same with our economy and the tariffs and everything. You think there's no plan, but you got to dig deeper, man. This is This administration is far more sophisticated than you think. You think that they're just shooting from the hip and that they're just doing random stuff. These are incredibly talented, smart people that have thought this through that are very methodical in how they're going about. >> I believe it's Linda Mckennon, Department of Education Secretary. >> Linda McMahon. >> Licka McMahon. >> The WWE. Great. >> But you're But you're saying she's incredibly knowledgeable about this. >> I mean, she did run the SBA. She ran the Small Business Administration. That's big. She ran a multi-billion dollar business. I mean, then into the department of education which is a different stance though. >> Yeah. I mean who would you rather have run the department of ed like a teacher's never run anything or someone who's run a multi-billion dollar business? Probably the business operator >> rather someone with a bit more education into actual education process. >> I'm not saying like a teacher had former teachers. Arie Duncan was the head of the department of education under Obama and he was a former teacher. He was a disaster. >> Our education department and our education standards in this country are some of the worst on the planet in the industrialized world. It's largely because we centralize things in DC that should be sent to the states and sent to parents and sent to families and local areas. And the president is making good on his promise to abolish the department of education. >> But in countries like in Europe like Sweden, they have a much higher education level than we do. And they have a their government has a much more involved program in the school system. >> They actually have full school choice in Sweden. Do you know that? Do you know they have full school choice in Sweden? Full school vouchers. You can choose any school of your liking. >> But the government also is more involved in the in their schooling. I guess >> yes and no. We don't have school choice in this country. You guys don't have school choice in Washington. the money doesn't follow the child here in the state of Washington. You know, they don't have they don't have overbearing teacher unions in Sweden. So, you got to do a little more research on some of this stuff. It sounds good. It feels good. It might be a meme you saw on social media. There's a lot more depth on this stuff. I encourage you to keep doing your research. Thank you for your time. Got to get the next question. Thank you. >> Again, if you guys disagree, you guys can come to our wonderful team here and they'll work you through the the train here. >> Hey, I'm from Germany. So, thanks for complimenting on our innovation. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, Deutsland Alice. >> No, not quite. Um, >> you don't like your country? No, >> I I love my country and I'm a patriot, but just Yes, I'm just visiting my in-laws here. So, it's awesome to be here today. Uh, I think it's great to have open debates for functioning societies and uh so it's awesome. Uh I have a question about NATO and the Western Alliance more broadly and please don't put me in the European box immediately because I would say that uh Trump's first term was great as far as foreign policy goes. I think that our Chancellor Merkel did a really bad job uh with NATO and actually also with domestic policies. Uh but now that we have the Ukraine war and Germany is actually uh paying more than 2% of their GDP to NATO and many other members as well. Um Trump is now raising it to 5% which I think is like maybe you call it the art of the deal but I think it's unreasonable and the US themselves don't spend 5%. So I don't know quite where he's going. But my main question is about Ukraine Russia which you guys like bordered on a little bit. You said like Steven Woodco did a great job and he's like been there for five hours. He's been there several times now. Um I mean they were bargaining also in uh I think Doha with uh the Secretary of State. Yes. So um I don't see how the peace through strength that I actually think Trump did in the first term is working out this time. And my worry is that the second term is going downhill really far fast as far as foreign policy goes because uh as far as Russia goes, they've so far just answered with further attacks on civilians as well on Palm Sunday which even Trump called a mistake. And after golfing at Mara >> Yes, that is true. >> Yes. And after golfing at Mara Lago with a European leader, he was was at least like softly threatening with further sanctioning the Russian economy. but he hasn't done it so far. And I don't understand why Trump, if he thinks he's a strong leader after proposing a 30-day ceasefire, which Putin disagreed, then he wanted to narrow it down to just uh energy infrastructure, which is in his interest because the Ukrainians have a couple of points where they're actually pretty good. One of them is energy infrastructure. So, it was a bad deal and he already got concessions from the Ukrainian side. >> What's the question? Yeah. Well, the question is um why if Trump says that he's a strong leader, why is he not getting Putin to dis to agree with him? And why do you see that they are closer to an agreement than they have been uh during the Biden administration? I don't think Biden did a good job because they had no strategy. But >> Biden wasn't even talking to him. I guess so. As a German, let me first comment on the the NATO thing. Trump proposing 5% is to try to make good on the many years where Germany was under 2%. So for many years we paid for NATO and this is just catching up for that. Correct. That's his that's his belief. Fair or unfair that's his belief. But you can agree for 30 years we've paid the lion share of NATO costs. America has >> and I'm not I I actually am I don't hate NATO. I inherently don't think it's a bad idea. I do think we shouldn't have NATO expansion. I think that's been a mistake. But >> NATO's expansion as far as Ukraine or also as far as >> Ukraine and Finland. Finland. Finland I think was a mistake. Finland is very Russian in a lot of ways and you can even acknowledge that. >> Yes. But I mean, Russia pushed them into NATO. >> I know, but Finland was even neutral in World War II. I mean, like it was like Finland is a very edge case. You as a European would respect that. >> Of course, it's fine. Let's not get into >> I don't want to get into that, but I would just ask the question >> because this is the most important question. Here's the way that we look at it as Americans. Through door A, we can continue this war. We will give more armaments to Ukraine more and a million more people are going to die for what? >> Not helpful. I agree. Yes. >> Yeah. And then door B is to try to find some settlement. >> Do you think we should try door B more than door A? >> Absolutely. But I think he should put the same type of pressure on both sides right now. I think he should just sanction Russia and see where they're going because right now >> I don't think you're incorrect. I don't think you're incorrect. Here's the Russia thinks they're winning and they are. >> And they are. But the but the question is then what else can we do to Russia because Joe Biden did so I mean they dumped their dollar bills from their reserves. I mean, there's very little that we can continue to do to Russia outside of supplying more weapons. >> Yeah, but like for example, supplying more weapons. Like there's like >> that's that's a that's a no-go for us. >> But but why can't you supply more weapons as long as Putin doesn't agree to a ceasefire? I'm great. And I would think I think >> we have a different view of the war than Biden. We don't think it's primarily America's responsibility to hold up Ukraine. >> Okay. I I agree with that. >> So we just have a different philosophy. >> Okay, that's fine. But like you bordered on the uh horrible mistral from Kabool. I think that no matter what Biden did, like this is what Trump inherited. So that's how democracies work. So he can't do anything about what his predecessor did. Now he's in this place. And I think that if you just drop out and after saying in 24 hours I'll solve this war and not getting it fixed and just uh saying we'll stop being active there at all. I think that will have major ramifications for all the other foreign policy. >> Let me find where I think we disagree. Do you think we should grow closer to Russia or further away from them diplomatically? >> Well, I think you can grow closer to them, but I think you should definitely not grow closer to them as long as they're still fighting civilians and as long as they still uh keep the war up because >> the bombing that Russia did is is morally indefensible. I I I agree. But so like they are talking and especially JD Vance. So quick question. Do you think that Trump and JD Vance are in alignment as far as their foreign policy? 100%. >> I mean they're not the same carbon copy person, but JD serves at the pleasure of the president. I'm sure JD is more a little bit more cautious than the president is at times. >> Yes, he's less of an interventionist. And I think that uh to be honest I think that Trump is a pragmatist and JD Vance is much much more ideological about this whole thing which you saw a little bit with the Houthi attack like with a signal gate where apparently he did not want to do the same thing as Trump did. And um I just don't see how this is in any way in America's interest if you are if you're perceived as a weak um uh partner to negotiate with because so far so the Europeans are definitely thinking and I think many more count other countries as well that Putin is playing with Trump and I don't think Trump should be played with. >> It's a tough situation. I got it. Thank you for that and I can tell you're coming from a good perspective. The difficulty is that even bringing the Russians to the table has taken a lot of concessions because of how far apart this was at the beginning. And now I don't think it would be unreasonable for Trump to be able to use other non-military measures to try to remind Putin that he can't just bomb civilians and we're actually trying to end this war. >> I agree. Where where we as America Firsters come though, we want to see this war ended. And we we want this war machi