Charlie Kirk's Early Years, Rise to Power, and the Mysterious Arrival of Erika Kirk

All right, guys. I may never be able to take a break again. It seems like when I do, everything happens. Everything happens all at once. Guys, welcome in. Welcome in. Welcome in. I hope you um had a good uh holiday weekend, a good Easter weekend. I hope uh Good Friday through Easter Sunday was a smashing success. It certainly was around my neck of the woods. Um got a lot accomplished and um and just really just relaxed. uh hung out a little bit, tried to get out of constant show prep mode and and um and just get into being a normal human being for a few days and it was really nice. It was really nice. Um but I've I've discovered a lot because I actually I say I didn't do a lot of show prep. I actually had some great conversations. I reached out to several people over the weekend um trying to get perhaps a little background and context I didn't necessarily know how to articulate. So, I asked very targeted specific questions about particular things that were going on during a certain time range. And I want to share some of that with you tonight. I want to illuminate. So, I hope you have your cap and gown handy. You may need it. You may need it. Not going to use a lot of big words, but we're going to take a little history lesson. We're not going back far. We're just going back 18 years or so. We're going to start 18 years or so ago, and then we're going to sort of move our way forward. Uh, but I hope you enjoy it. I hope you enjoy it. We got a lot to accomplish. A whole lot to accomplish. Obviously, I had no idea when I went off the air Thursday that uh that we would lose a pilot, missing a pilot, and find a pilot uh by the time I got back on Monday. That was weird. Um a lot of questions about that. Don't know that I'm going to delve too deeply into that tonight, but it happened. Um and I have my theories on potentially what happened. I had no idea that they would successfully launch another fake attempt to go around the moon. That's interesting. Um, I actually I do have to say this. I was watching a video that came across my feed and I was like, "All right, fine. I'll bite." I haven't been watching a lot of the moon landing stuff, but I moon circling stuff. I guess they don't land anymore. They just circle. Um, but I thought, "All right, I'll watch this. Just get an idea what they're talking about." It's the four of them sitting there, and there's only four of them in the capsule, and the capsule looks like a two-bedroom apartment in New York. It's massive. It's massive. I mean, it's just a massive facility. And they're just floating around, hanging out. And I'm thinking, who's recording this? Who's recording this? Because at the end, it actually moves a little bit. The camera kind of pans over the window. And I thought, all right, all right. Something's weird here. So, that happened. The second thing that happened, another video floats up, and I was like, "All right, I'll give it another shot. Maybe I'm wrong about this moon stuff." I'm always open to changing my mind if I'm shown new evidence. Uh, and yeah, I got a haircut, too. Um, I'm always open to changing my mind if I see new evidence. And so, I do see new evidence. I do see new evidence. Did it change my mind? Not exactly. Not exactly. Because the new evidence was one of the astronauts describing the beauty of seeing the sun set behind the Earth. But they didn't bother taking a picture of it. They didn't bother taking a video of it. No one bothered to say, "Oh, and let me show you what it is we're talking about. Let me move my camera 4 in over to show the window where this miracul he's talking about. I can see pole to pole of the earth, the sun setting behind it. I can see the whole earth. I can I can see the the the green plasma display on the top. What? Fake and gay. Show me the picture. Picture it didn't happen, old man. Pics or it didn't happen, old man. Anyway, anyway, I digress. I don't want to get too carried away here. Um, so that happened. We have fake and gay moonshot. That happened. We have I don't want to say fake and gay, but something happened with a pilot. It was very Jesuslike. He went down on Friday. He was gone all Saturday and he rose on Sunday. He was found. I don't know if they've got released his name yet. Is he available for interviews? It'll be interesting to hear more about that as time develops. Uh and then I wake up on Easter morning, the birds are chirping, the sky is blue, the temperature is perfect, the humidity is just right. I fire up Twitter to find the commander-in-chief had lost his mind. He's lost his mind. He's calling enemy combatants bastards. He's dropping fbombs. I'm like, "The Lord is risen. He's risen indeed." I was ready for some sort I had to go to the Obamas to find some sort of Easter cheer from a living president. Absolutely amazing what's going on out there. So, apparently tomorrow the world can end. The the the 47th president, and I'm going to get into the stuff that I put on the subject line matter. We're going to talk about that, I promise. But the president of the United States, the 47th president of the United States, the second Trump administration, Trump 2.0, has given them, I think, till like noon or four o'clock tomorrow. And if they don't respond, all hell apparently is going to break loose. And you know, you could see a scenario where oil goes to two or $300 a barrel under those circumstances because um right now everybody in the region is kind of playing nice, but when you start attacking civilians and that taking out power plants and bridges, that's attacking civilians. You know, think about your home. Think about your community. I live in the middle Tennessee area. You hit Nashville Electric Service and my house goes dark, you're attacking civilians. If I can't get to the grocery store and and their coolers don't work and the meat goes bad, you're attacking civilians. If I can't eat and feed my kids, you're attacking civilians. If I can't drive anywhere cuz all the major bridges are out across across the rivers, then you're attacking civilians. You're attack you're attacking civilians. So, I Easter's a weird day to announce war crimes. I'll admit. I'll admit. But we'll get there. We'll get to all that later. Settle down. Calm down. Back up. Back up. Because apparently apparently if you listen to his grieving widow, Charlie Kirk would have appreciated this and would have been in favor of Operation Epic Furry. So, um, let me let me uh let me start this way. My opening is going to be a little different today. I know I went Thursday without an opening because my voice wasn't working. My voice is working now. I started to draft an opening and I thought, you know what? No, this isn't going to work drafted. It has to be from the heart. It has to be free flowing. So, I scrapped the draft. Now, some of the words I drafted may still be in my head. So, terms of certain terms of phrase may come out just because I pre-drafted them. But, I want to walk you through a history lesson. That's how I want to open today. And so, I guess this is your opening statement, but it's not it's not really your opening statement. This is more of a free- flowing heart-to-heart discussion because I have to set up how we got here. And how we got here in part is well, how did Erica Kirk arrive on the scene? Because she is the new head of C of Turning Point USA. She is the grieving widow. So, we have to ask how she got on the scene. And so, I want to run through a little history lesson. I'm going to pull my notes up. I have some bullet points over here, but I want to pull my notes up because I have to take you back in time to 2008. 2008, you guys remember it. It was a hotly contested presidential election. On the one side, you had a war criminal, John McCain, one of the worst human beings that ever lived, a bloodthirsty maniacal lunatic. So, that was our standard bearer in the Republican party. And a lot of us voted for him. I did. Um, that's I didn't vote for him in the primary. I went kicking and screaming to the polls in November, but I eventually voted for him. And on the other side, you had this young, good-looking guy, new to the scene in his 40s. Um, Barack Obama, he had a great-looking family. He said all the right things, hope and change. Uh, a very, um, I don't want to say, uh, what's the word I'm looking for? very um optimistic speaker. He's a very optimistic speaker, meaning when he spoke, you were you were put into that optimistic mindset. You thought, you know, maybe things will be all right. And I know a lot of Republicans, a lot of conservatives actually voted for him because he reminded them of some of the great ortors in American history, some of the presidents who inspire generations. Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. The only thing we have to fear is fear itself. You know, you contrast that with what we heard over the weekend. Open the hormone straight, you bastards. You know, I mean, it's some some speaker some presidents are a little more eloquent than others. We'll admit that. Um, and and Obama had it. He had the it factor. And what it did was it carried all the way down the ballot and it slaughtered Republicans up and down the ballot. Small races, big races, city council races, county commission races, schoolboard races at the local level, uh, state legislative races, state house, state senate, that just absolutely obliterated Republicans everywhere. This was 2008. congressional races that Democrats had never been competitive in, they won. I remember thinking of Bobby Bright in Alabama. No reason a Democrat would win that seat in 2008, but he did. Carried in on the Obama wave. There was a blue wave. It was a big thick heavy blue wave and it just blanketed everything. And in the weeks and months after the election, conservatives, Republicans were all kind of asking the same question. When will we ever have an opportunity to win an election again? because the country was so thoroughly conditioned to hate conservatism at that point. They hated Republicans. We'd come off of, we were in the midst of the disastrous Iraq and Afghanistan wars. It looked like um we had no real um no real um plan to ever get out of that situation. The economy was not doing ideal. It was we were in the midst of the housing crisis, the great recession. uh interest rates were still nudging a little higher, but so is unemployment. That's a bad situation to find yourself in. Typically, one or the other goes. Uh but when both go up, you have a bad problem on your hands. And a lot of people blame for what it for better or worse, whenever there's a an economic crisis, a global economic crisis or a national economic crisis, a lot of people blame the p the party in power. They blame the White House. And they did. And they did. And so Obama comes in and Republicans are licking their wounds wondering, can we ever win another election? Is it possible? Well, independent of that, a bunch of old people got together. Uh Mrs. Coleman and I actually happened upon this one time. It was the very first ever Tea Party event. We were living in Delray Beach, Florida at the time, and we went to the courthouse in West Palm. I don't even remember why we were there. Uh but we go to the courthouse in in uh the Palm Beach County Courthouse in West Palm Beach because we were living in Palm Beach County and we were going there doing something registering a car. I don't remember why we were there. Uh but while we're there all of a sudden there's just a sea of people and they've got picket signs and they've got poster boards and it's like a rally. I'm thinking what are we rallying against? And the first sign I saw was uh the name Obama across the top and it said one big a crooked letter crooked letter mistake America. one big mistake, American. I thought, "Oh, we're protesting Obama. Okay, well, let's see what this is about." So, we just wandered around for a little bit, talked to some people. It was an interesting time. It was an interesting time. There were there were um black people, white people, Hispanic people. Uh Palm Beach County is a very diverse county. Um and they all had one thing in common. They were angry at the fiscal policies of Obama. And I don't remember what day this was. I want to say it was like early fall or late summer. He hadn't been in office very long. And on the heels of that was born the Tea Party. And the Tea Party was wildly successful at capturing some of that angst that people had in the 2009 2010 era looking around thinking are Republicans doomed? Will they ever win an election again? And the rallying cry around Tea Party was we don't care if you're Republican. We don't care if you're Democrat. We're not talking about abortion. We're not talking about immigration. We're not talking about education. We're talking solely about dollars and cents. We want fiscal sanity at every level, top, middle, and bottom. We don't want government spending money they don't have. We don't want government taking roles relative to money, meaning making you buy health insurance, for example. That was a big sticking point at the time. It's hard to believe that two two decades ago. That was two decades ago, but it was it was 18 years ago. and um and it was very successful and people kind of sat back and there were a lot of people trying to get involved and they were organizing their local groups but there was really no national organizational effort for the Tea Party. It just didn't exist. So you had county groups, you had city groups, you had, you know, groups based around neighborhoods and they they would get together once a week, once every two weeks, once a month and they would just sit around. Maybe they'd have a speaker, maybe they do an educational component, but it was just a bring somebody in, let them speak, and let's talk about fiscal politics and how to get back to fiscal sanity. let's solve this problem once and for all. And let's do it not in a way that Obama wants us to do it, not in a way that the um the corporist globalists want us to do it. Let's do it in the way that perhaps the founders wanted us to do it. That was sort of the the cry around the Tea Party. And so, um this is all taking place. It's all happening. It's all going on. And while it's happening, there's an election that takes place 2010 and Republicans romp. Republicans a absolutely crush everybody. November of 2010, Republicans did to Democrats what Democrats did to Republicans two years prior. But the difference was, I mean, they won every seat. In fact, um, an old law partner of mine actually was a Democrat and unseated a Republican. He was one of only six legislators in the country. Of the thousands of legislative seats in the country, he was one of six Democrats to unseat an incumbent Republican. That's how big the absolute title wave was. The red wave. Only six Democrats unseated Republicans. And so all of a sudden, the Republicans, we're back, baby. Right. Yeah, we got this. We know what we're doing. Well, not exactly because there was a key distinction in 2010 that didn't take place in 2008 and it happens every midterm. College students don't vote. College students voted for Obama in record numbers. It was one of the reasons Republicans were so scared they'd never win another election. In 2010, college students didn't vote. And the but when you pled them, the idea was had they voted, they would have voted for Democrats and the title wave wouldn't have been nearly as red. Democrats would have won a lot more seats. Republicans would have lost a lot more seats. And so there was a fear going into the 2012 election that this would continue, that this would make its way back into 2008 territory where Obama would absolutely landslide. Obama's back on the ballot. He's wildly popular still among the young and among the left. Um, and particularly among minority voters, wildly popular, 70, 80, 90% approval rating in these demographics. And so there's this genuine fear that sets in that that we as conservatives, we as Republicans, we as people who are fiscal minded, we cannot possibly win another presidential election. Obama's going to roll us. And so then they people, some geniuses had the idea, let's take the Tea Party message into college campuses. The problem with that is people hated the Tea Party in college campuses. College students hated the Tea Party. They couldn't understand it. They was it was associated with their parents. It's the same reason why all young people got off Facebook as soon as their parents and grandparents started using it. They college students don't want to be affiliated with their parents. It's why they go to college. They want to start their own life. They want to do something different. If if if mom's into it, it's not cool. If granddad's into it, it's really not cool. And so they had a messaging problem. We can't get into the colleges with the Tea Party message. Well, at the time in the colleges, there were really only two options. There was the college Republicans. If you were a Republican or you were a conservative and you were in college and you wanted to get involved on your college campus, you really only had two options. One was the college Republicans and they were really more just an establishment old fddy duddy group, right? They didn't really care one way or the other. They were just there because they were in power. You know, being the college Republican chairman on your local campus was a big deal. Being the college Republican chairman of the state was a really big deal. Uh being the national college Republican chair was a massive deal. that was like setting you up that you were on a rocket ship to success in politics. But they didn't really do much, you know, on on the base level, they didn't really turn many people out. Their their campuses were sort of dull. Their events were sort of lousy. You know, they might get 50 or 100 people to show up on a big event. And so, and they they the biggest sticking point was they weren't particularly fond of our greatest ally. They just didn't really care. It wasn't something they talked about. And so a lot of people who were conservatives but really favored our greatest ally. They started an organization called Young America's Foundation. Yaff. Young America's Foundation came in and their goal was to try to counter what the college Republicans were doing. It's all in that same time period and there's sort of this inner campus war going on and it turned a lot of college kids off. They thought what is what who am I supposed I'd rather just not participate or I'll go vote for Obama anyway. And so the the the people who were trying to organize the Tea Party on a national basis all of a sudden decided, "No, we got to get into these college campuses with the same message, but we can't take the Tea Party branding. It's it's it is toxic. It is anathema to college kids. We have to take a different message." And so they're desperately trying to find something that will work on college campuses. Something that's not explicitly foreign policy related. Something that's not explicitly stuffy and establishment related. So you can't use YAF. You can't use college Republicans. We've got to have a different way. You got to have a different way. We got to approach this from a different angle. And so the people at the top who were trying to organize the national tea party group for the adults, those were people like Tim uh Phillips. Tim Phillips was at the Americans for Prosperity. That was a public interest group that um was probably at its zenith during the Tea Party. Tim Phillips is the father of Kat Phillips. if the name if the name Phillips rings a bell. So Tim Phillips is at the Americans for Prosperity and they take advantage of all these local Tea Party groups going and they start sending their employees and their workers and their organizers into those communities and they're trying to co-opt the Tea Party movement and and take it from a decentralized movement to a centralized movement. Let's let's let's make sure we can control these people. If we're going to have a bunch of activists, we're going to have millions of middle-aged activists out there. We need to control them. And so there was an explicit effort to do that. So if you're going to do it at the college level, if you're going to take the Tea Party messaging, you want to be able to control it as well because you don't want the same thing to happen that happened with the adults. Cuz some of them got pretty crazy. Some of the Tea Party groups are pretty out there. I'll be honest with you. I talked to some of them. That's where we were in 2012. The college Republicans and the YAF, they're not very effective on college campuses. Democrats are absolutely preparing to steamroll for the 2012 election. And so Republicans are really in the same place they were in the aftermath, the immediate aftermath of the Obama election, which is maybe we can make some headway every now and then if we have an unpopular Democratic president, we can make some headway in the midterms. So presidential election in '08, we'll win in 10. We'll get roasted in 12, we'll win in 14. We'll get roasted in 16, we'll win in 18. And maybe we can just try to keep control of the House and Senate that way, or at least get control sometimes. And we could try to fight the president here and there. That was the best option on the table. Unless we can get control of the college students. If we can get control of the college students, if we can get them under some banner and convince them to vote Republican, maybe we'll have a chance during presidential election. And that's when Charlie Kirk started his group SOS Liberty. This was the summer of 2012 or the spring of 2012. He started in April of 2012. He started a little group called SOS Liberty. And when he did it, it was founded on explicitly Tea Party principles. Meaning they don't care if you're Republican. They don't care if you're Democrat. Ex. In fact, a bunch of his early letters, a bunch of his early speeches say exactly that. We don't care if you're Republican or Democrat. Do you like free markets? Do you like fiscal sanity? Then you're welcome here. We're not going to talk about abortion. We're not going to talk about immigration. We're not going to talk about any of the controversial hot button issues. We are just going to talk money. Money. Low taxation. individual liberty. That's all we care about. That's all we want to talk about. Fiscal restraint at the federal level, fiscal restraint at the state level, fiscal restraint at the local. That was Charlie Kirk's message. And he wrote an article for Breitbart. This been in late April of 2012. He writes an article for Breitbart. Breitbart is founded by Andrew Breitbart um in 2007 I think seven or eight somewhere around there before he died whenever that they or they maybe has the idea for it about then. Um they get it going right about the time it rolls out into the open. He dies conveniently. Wow. Surprise. Mysteriously dies on his way home from the bar. Nobody saw that coming. But Breitbart was founded in Tel Aviv. Now that's not me just saying it. That's a fact. You can look it up. Breitbart News was founded over there. The idea for it came over there. The founding meetings were over there. And the control of it ultimately was over there. And in comes Charlie Kirk, this bright young normallook college kid or high school kid getting ready to go to college. And he writes this letter to Breitbart News and they publish it on their website and it gets a pretty good deal. It gets a pretty good um a pretty good response. And so he's invited from that response. He's invited to go on Fox News. He's invited to go speak at a couple of events. And somebody had the bright idea. That's our entree on the college campuses. That's the kind of guy we need. Someone make an approach. And they do. And it's noteworthy to me. And the reason I believe I'm right when I say that's what happened was when they finally made the approach to Charlie Kirk to come on board and start this campus organization, this national campus organization. and we'll go out and we'll find some funding and we'll get you some speaking gigs and we'll get you set up with success. They didn't say and we'll use SOS Liberty as the vehicle because he'd already founded SOS Liberty. He founded it with his buddy Mikey Diamond and a couple of his friends. They were up and running. They were going there were like six or seven of them. They were sort of the founding, you know, quadruo or whatever it was of the SOS Liberty. Instead, when Bill Montgomery approaches Charlie Kirk in May of 2012, just one month after SOS Liberty's founded, the answer isn't let's go through SOS Liberty and let's make SOS Liberty a force on college campuses. The the the the solution was we'll shut down SOS Liberty, we'll reopen as TPUSA, TP, Tea Party, turning point, America's turning point, America's Tea Party. In other words, we're going to have the same Tea Party messaging that's wildly successful among your parents and grandparents, but we're going to drop the Tea Party name and we're going to send it into college campuses. And they did. But what they found was very quickly, this is so we're in 2012. And what we found is in 2012, neither TPU USA, the College Republicans, or YAF had any effect whatsoever on college campuses. They were utterly utterly unhelpful in the 2012 election. Mitt Romney at that point was the standard bearer for the GOP. Barack Obama back on the ballot as an incumbent Democrat and Barack Obama romps to victory. He just steamrolls to victory. Just steamrolls to victory. And everybody was like, "Man, I thought that was at least going to be close." No, it wasn't close. Mitt Romney was horrific. Barack Obama picks up this massive victory. And you come out of the 2012 election and people are thinking this is kind of what we thought would happen. We get roasted when the Democrat is on the ballot, the Democrat president's on the ballot, particularly Obama. We can go through and we can pick up some midterm wins, but as soon as the college students come back and start voting again, we get roasted again. And then Charlie enters sort of his I will call him Charlie 1.0. This is early Charlie, young Charlie. Charlie opens. He's 18 years old. It's 2012. They get roasted in the 2012 elections. And so it's like, hey, let's gear up. Let's get ready for the four years from now when the president's back on the ballot. We don't really need you, Charlie, as much during the midterm elections. It won't hurt. We'd love to have some college students vote, but that's not really what we're going for. It's sort of a four-year plan. let's take this 2012 to 2016 period to really try to develop this thing into a a force on college campuses. And so they go out there and what they find is it's an incredibly competitive field. The college Republicans and YAF don't want to yield any ground. They don't want to help. They're not wanting to do joint events. It's like sink or swim. It's dog eat dog. It is a battle for your life. If you don't believe me, open up a college organization today and go out on the college campuses and try to get people to sign up and pay you money and open an organization and then go try to get donations to do it. It's impossible. It's impossible. It's a saturated market. There were already two giant conservative nationwide organizations on campus. Why does anyone want to go to this place with TPUSA? Was that even me? But this is Charlie 1.0 and he's going out there and he's fighting. And in the early days, if you look at their fundraising, they're making a little money, maybe 50 grand one year, couple hundred grand the next, a few hundred grand the next. They got a few college campuses going, but they're not finding that ump that they need. They're not finding that wow factor. They don't understand the lay of the land. They don't understand the political marketplace they're working in. And so Charlie makes what I think ultimately got him killed, a decision to go hire a guy named Tyler Ber. That's when he goes and hires Tyler Ber. Tyler Ber understands the college Republicans. Tyler Ber is the consmate, he's a little older than Charlie, but not much. He's the consmate campus guy that's looking for a job. And he's out there and he understands the college Republican landscape. He understands the Yaff landscape. You bring in a guy like Tyler Boyer, all of a sudden you've got an entree into all these college campuses. You don't have to go on there sight unseen cold calling students saying, "Do you want to open an event?" You don't have to just set up a table and hope somebody comes by and picks up a pamphlet. You got a guy in Tyler Boyer who knows who to pick up the phone and call people on various campuses. He was based in Arizona. Charlie was based in Chicago, but it didn't really matter. It's a national organization anyway. And so they get going and they start getting a little momentum. 2015, 2016. Um, and then we have our first test. Our first test isn't the midterm of 2014. The first test is the presidential election of 2016. Are the college students going to turn out? Is the fruit going to be born off of the tree we've planted with Charlie Kurt? Does he does he do anything whatsoever in helping Donald Trump win the election? And I'm here to tell you the answer is no. But that didn't stop him from getting a boatload of credit. The reality is college students are not why Donald Trump won the election. What what won Donald Trump the election was he was so wildly popular with middle-aged white men. There were people in my own family who had never voted before, hadn't voted in decades, who came out to vote for Donald Trump. When I showed up to vote for Donald Trump the first time in 2016, I was in Alabama. Okay, Alabama was guaranteed to go for Donald Trump at a minimum of 20 points, maybe as many as 40 points. We weren't sure. That was the only question. Would he win Alabama by 22 or 38? We didn't know, but we knew he would win. Hillary Clinton had a 0% chance of winning Alabama. Everyone in Alabama could have had the flu and Trump still would have won by 25. It's just what? Every Republican could have had the flu and Trump still would have won by 20 points. It's just fact. It's just the way it is. So, there wasn't a lot of mo momentum. There wasn't a lot of motive to turn out in Alabama. The national parties had spent zero dollars. The only momentum came from people on Facebook, people talking in their neighborhoods. They kind of like Trump. They'd seen him on TV on The Apprentice. I showed up and I'd voted in every election in that precinct for years. Typically, you'd wait in line two minutes, maybe five on a heavy election day. I showed up and waited in line an hour and a half to vote for a presidential election that was already decided. There was a 0% chance Donald Trump would lose Alabama. Every single person who was eligible to vote showed up to vote for Donald Trump. And it repeated itself, not only in my precinct, not only in my county, not only in my state, not only in my region, it repeated itself all over the country. And what happened was Donald Trump was supposed to lose that election. In October of 2018, if or 2016, if you remember, you had the Billy Bush tape. You had sitting congressmen, including Martha Roby in Alabama, in the district I was talking about just then, she was the congressman there. In that district, she was telling people that Donald Trump should get out of the race and and pass it off to someone else, that we would just have to forfeit the presidential election. It was that bad what he said on the Billy Bush tape. This is the grab him by the hoot nanny speech. You remember that? when he was secretly recorded by a bush of all things. Well, ironically enough. And so this is o this is November 2016. Donald Trump wins because so many people that pollsters could have never captured, never anticipated coming out. I mean, first time vote, you know, you you look at polls and you look at do they vote four of the last four elections or three of the last four elections. Those are the only people we want to hear from. Those are the only ones we're pretty confident are going to show up. There were people who had voted zero the last four elections, like 90% of them voted for Trump. And there were a bunch of them. And so an election that Trump had virtually a 0% chance to win, he ended up winning. He ended up winning. It was a shock. I remember sitting there as they start playing this weird music and he starts walking across the upper part of coming down to the stage and his whole family's there moving with him and all his supporters are there with him and I remember thinking how surreal is this? The sob actually won. Like I didn't think he had a chance to win. I was on the radio that morning and and someone was like all right your analysis. Does he win or lose? I'm like I don't see how he wins. I hope he wins but I don't see how he wins. Like I don't I don't chart a path to victory for Donald Trump. I think the polls are probably right. He's probably going to lose and he could be close but he can't win. And he won and he won. Something interesting happened out of that though. College students, particularly college students turned out by TPUSA, were not the cause of that victory. But for some reason, Charlie got an inordinate amount of credit. And right there, it should have raised my suspicion. It did not at the time, I'll admit, but at the time it should have raised my suspicion. Why are they crediting this guy? Because the people that won the election are not people he talks to. He talks to college students. The people who won the election for Trump were 50-year-old white people primarily. And it just didn't make any sense. And he did well with the Hispanics. So maybe the Hispanics can can be counted for in some of the states. Um, African-Americans by and large voted in the numbers they typically vote for Democrats. I mean, maybe a little different for Trump, but not much. Not enough to tilt any election in any major city. It was largely like middle class or even lowerass white people and they came out to vote. These are people who didn't traditionally vote. But coming out of that, Charlie gets an inordinate amount of credit. And it was just a really weird looking back on it particularly, it's a really weird thing because if you go run the numbers, college students didn't vote for Trump much more than they had voted for Romney or McCain or, you know, anyone else down the road. Bush in '04, Bush in 2000. I mean, just, you know, Republicans aren't real don't, you know, not the most popular people on a college campus. You know, if you're trying to to pick up a girl on a college campus, you know, wearing a GOP button typically doesn't push you into the right category for most of these women. You either tell them you're not political or you lie to them and tell them you vote for Democrats. It's the best way to get into their bedroom. So, this is a looking back and at the time it should have raised suspicion. At the time, it was a little weird. You're like, who Charlie Kirk? They're saying he was helpful in winning it. How? But you just sort of let it go. You don't think much about it. Turning point at the time, I mean, you knew who Charlie Kirk was, but he wasn't that big of a deal. He certainly didn't talk a lot of big Christian game at the time. He, you know, you might not even, you might have been to 10 of his speeches and never knew he was a Christian. He just didn't talk about it. He just talked politics and he talked um money, fiscal policy. That was it. That's the only thing you want to talk about. And so coming out of the 2016 election, so we're going into 2017 now. Charlie Kirk enters a new phase. No longer are we Charlie Kirk 1.0. Charlie Kirk 1.0 was sort of this naive guy. He was sort of a really sharp, but didn't really understand the political landscape, I don't think, particularly well. Didn't really get what was going on around him. He was sort of told where to go. Someone someone must have said, "You should hire Tyler Boyer." was like, "All right, I'll hire Tyler Tyler Boyer." Someone told him, "Hey, you should you should head off with Bill Montgomery. I'll head off with Bill Montgomery." And then Tyler Boyer, you know, you should you should do this. I guess I'll do that. And and it and it and it worked. I mean, he he sort of I don't want to say failed into success, but he sort of just was guided into it in in a way. And then there's Charlie Then there's Turning Point 2.0. There's Charlie Kirk 2.0, excuse me. Turning Point 1.0 is all of Charlie Kirk, but then there's Charlie Kirk 2.0. This is coming out of the 2016 election. He's being gassed up as the guy who was the reason Donald Trump won. He's credited all over the place for Donald Trump's victory. Strangely. And then he starts acting like it. In a good way. I'm not I'm not knocking him here, by the way. In a good way. Charlie Kirk starts acting like it. He starts being more confident. No longer is he showing up. I mean, if you watch some of his early speeches, frankly, no offense, particularly some of his early debates with college students, leaves a lot to be desired. By the end of, let's say, 2018 or 19, there was there was a lot to be envied. The guy was a master by that time, but he'd been doing it for five or six years. Like I tell people that want to do podcasting, just start talking into a mic. You'll get better. You'll learn how to control your voice. You'll learn how to vary your voice. You'll learn how to vary your tempo. You'll learn when to repeat. You'll learn when not to repeat. You'll learn when to pause. for effect. But you got to learn it. You got to learn it. You got to learn to get outraged and mad. You got to learn to be soft and serious. Same thing with debating these college students. You got to know when to push. You got to know when to not push. You got to know when to give them enough rope to hang themselves. You got to know when to pull on that rope and jerk their neck. Probably a bad analogy anyway. But you you see what I'm saying here is he got better and he got more confident, but there was something lurking behind the scenes this whole time. Something missing from Charlie Kirk's life. He starts Turning Point USA at 18 years old. At 2012, by the time 2016, 2017 runs around, he's 22, 23 years old. Never really had a girlfriend. never really had a steady, as the older people said, never really had a someone to go with him, as we used to say in the 80s and 90s. He was just sort of a bachelor out there living the travel life. He lived on an airplane. He didn't, they say he lived with his parents. He didn't. He lived on an airplane, lived in hotel rooms, lived on people's couches. He was just sort of, you know, his own weird brand of of human being. He doesn't fit nicely into any category by this time, but he gets really good at what he does and he starts taking a more commanding presence among national political things. And then something key happens after Donald Trump wins. He becomes very close with the Trump family. Very close. Don Jr. um in particular, but very close with the Trump family, very close with Trump. And now he's got access to power. So, you take a guy who's naturally very gifted, very bright, very inclined to uh to succeed and you mix that with access to power and you've got four or five years of solid experience building him up to this moment, you you begin to create this little bit of an unstoppable force. And because of this, he's got a lot of people that are like, "This is who we need to hitch our sales to. We need Charlie Kirk to succeed for us to succeed. And this is when he becomes a little bit more of a political force on things other than money. Because remember, up to this point, it's all money. It's no Christianity. It's no foreign policy really. It's just money, taxes, fiscal policy. I mean, it was like Milton Freriedman, but like young and kind of funny. And so he starts thinking about I don't know if Tyler recommended this. I don't know who recommended this, but he starts thinking about we've got to expand our brand. He starts getting into foreign policy and he starts getting into faith and and as you know, foreign policy and faith often interact particularly with a small sliver of country in the Middle East. Foreign policy and faith sort of interact. And it's about this time. It's about this time Charlie Kirk is going along. He'd run into Tyler Boyer. They'd met. He'd hired Tyler Boyer mid 2015. He's moving along. And he finally runs in to someone named Erica France. And I'll show you a few clips here of how this happened. Um because the story sort of developed and evolved over time. Strangely, it shouldn't have, but it did. The story sort of developed and evolved, but I'll show you. And to put it in context, in August of 2018, Erica Kirk and Charlie Kirk meet for the first time at the TPUSA headquarters. It's the grand opening. And the reason it's the grand opening is TPUSA had always been headquartered sort of in the Midwest, Chicago. That's where they based all their operations. That's where their employees live. Tyler Boyer convinces them to go to Arizona. Open in Phoenix. I have no idea why you would want to be based so far away from the bulk of the American population, but for whatever reason, Tyler Boyer wanted to be in Phoenix. Probably because Tyler's from that area. That's more convenient for him. But I I really don't know. But he convinces him to move to to Phoenix. Could have to do with the no income tax. Maybe that's part of it. They don't want to pay tax. They already don't pay taxes on their nonprofit income. Maybe they don't want to pay taxes on their personal salaries either. I don't know. But they they open in Arizona. And here is the earliest description of it I could find. I want you to listen carefully to how this is described where they meet in their office in >> I met Erica for the first time at this office, Turning Point USA office. So, we met at the office opening, the Turning Point headquarters office opening, the first one, August 2018. And I had no idea what to expect because I was coming into the office from the standpoint of they were potentially going to hire me. >> She's at the headquarters opening because they might hire her. She's at the headquarters opening because they might hire her. Now that story has evolved. That was the story back then. If you listen to the story now, the story has changed quite a bit. Um now when you hear the story, you hear um that she was there because Tyler Boyer invited her. She wasn't really sure why she was there. She had a job in Manhattan. She didn't know what was really going on. But this story developed over a period of years. And I'll get to why they might have hired her in a second, but I want to play another clip, just a slightly different version of why they how they met that first time in 2018 >> with you about everything that we're doing with the faith component side of things. And yeah, we met at the office very briefly >> and then we went to Billsburg. >> Oh, I think I I think I started too late. Hold on, let me back it up just a little bit. Yeah. Here. And >> then came back home and got a message from Tyler uh from who I had met at the Trump rally and he was saying, "Hey, you should come to Turning Point's office. We're having an office opening. We'd like to discuss you with you about everything that we're doing with the faith component side of things and yeah, we met at the office." >> So, a couple of points on this video. One is she met with T she got a text from Tyler when they're opening the headquarters in Arizona. And then she pauses and looks down awkwardly and says, "Well, I'd met Tyler at the Trump rally." That's part one. Part two, though, is now it's evolved to we want to discuss with you what's going on at the Trump at the uh with the faith stuff. Not we're looking to hire you. Not Not anything. We just want to discuss it with you. Just want to discuss what's going on. Well, that could be anything. That could be anything. So, the story's evolved a little bit. Now, we've got yet a different version of uh of this story here. I will play yet another version of how they met initially at the office. This is from a couple of years ago. >> So, anyways, flight fast forward from May to August. I'm standing in the office and the our family friend was like, "You need to meet the owner, blah blah blah." And he >> our family friend said, "You need to meet the owner." Remember a second ago, she had just met Tyler Boyer at the Trump rally a, you know, in 2015. Now he's a family friend. Now, now I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt here. I'm giving her the grieving widow pass. It's possible that since 2015, she had become a family friend of Tyler Boyer. That's a weird way to describe somebody you've only known a few years, but it's possible. It's possible. I'm willing to allow that possibility. The less generous reading is she's a lying liar from Liarville. That's the less generous reading and that she was hiding the fact that Tyler Boyer was in fact a family friend and that they'd known each other for some years or at least the families had known each other for some years. I'm not going to speculate on that right now. I want you to focus on the next part of this here. >> Turns around and was like, >> "Oh, >> hi. >> Hi. >> You're the guy from the ticket line." >> Oh, I did. was so koi that I was like, "Oh, nice to meet you." Like, "I have to get back to New York, so I'll see you again soon." I think >> she had to boss babe him, which is, you know, by the way, I've got to get back to New York. E, I know it's a nice place you got here in Phoenix. I get it. It's beautiful. I love the new TPUSA headquarters, but I got to get back to New York cuz I'm a New Yorker, you see. I mean, it kind of sounded like that to me, but it's totally changed. Now, she just happens to be there. So, it's gone from I was there for a job offer to in the first version. The second version was I was there and we discussed what they were doing and now it's like I just happened to be there and lo and behold, I run into Charlie and then I got us hustle back to New York because I'm a boss babe. I'm a boss babe. I got to get back to Manhattan. I'm expecting her to say they sell thlets on Toy Street. You know how they throw it over there. Hang on. There's more to this. Hold please. >> And so he had discussed the mutual family friend work for Charlie. >> Back to mutual family friend. Same interview. >> And they were trying to get me to do like a faith component within Turning Point USA. And I would say two and a half weeks later, I get I'm in the Hamptons with um >> I'm in the Hamptons. I'm the consmate big wig boss babe New Yorker. I get to Manhattan. I'm living in New York. I'm vacationing in the Hamptons. You know how boss babes do it. That's how we do it. We vacation in the Hamptons over the summer. That's where we summer in the Hampton. one of my uncles and I I get a random DM on Instagram and you never know like if these people are the real people or whatever. Anyway, so it was Charlie. He's and this gets into the story we've all heard. Charlie DMs her. He slides into her DMs as the kids say. He DMs her. They go to Bill's Boers. I'm surprised she didn't say it that way. Ah, we went into Bill's Boers. You know Bills? I'd never been to Bills. That's a tourist trap. See, I wouldn't go to a place like that cuz I'm a New Yorker. Charlie, he's not from New York. He wants to go to Bill's Boers. That's the way he is. But, you know, I humor the guy, right? Cuz I coming in from the Hamptons, you see, summering in the Hamptons. But anyway, you know the story. But I started thinking to myself, and this is what I started calling around about really. Why was Erica Kirk the one they wanted to come in and run the faith component of TPUSA faith? Hold that question in your mind. I got one more thing I want to show you here. Where did it go? I think I got rid of it. Oh, yeah. Here. This is an interesting line in an NPR interview. I assume someone got this information from somewhere. Now, I could be wrong. I'm open to that. It could be wrong, but I assume this came from someone. This is an NPR piece shortly after Charlie passed. The couple's first date in September 2018 started as a job interview. Quote, they met initially during a brief meeting at the turning at the opening of the Turning Point USA headquarters in Phoenix where she had applied for a job where she had applied for a job. So, not only are we to believe, at least if this NPR article is to be believed. Now, granted, they could be wrong, but if we're synthesizing all these things together, sometimes she doesn't mention that she was there for a job interview. She wants to leave that out or or relative related to a job. Sometimes they're just talking to her about this new department they're opening. And sometimes she had applied for the job interview. She had applied for a job there. Like, this is all the same story, by the way. How did she end up at the TPUSA grand opening August of 2018? But here's what I wanted to know. Here's why I started calling around. Had a very interesting meeting Saturday. And coming out of that meeting, I thought, I got to know more about this time period, this 2018 time period. And so I start asking around like, tell me what's going on in Charlie Kirk's life at this time. Because Erica doesn't show up in a vacuum. Tyler Boyer probably didn't show up in a vacuum, but I don't know that I'll ever have the time to run down how he ended up on Charlie's radar. Maybe Tyler. I mean, I see he's active on Twitter. He's fighting with Travis X Neilio over on Twitter or Neil X, whatever he's going by these days. He's fighting with Tyler today on Travis today on Twitter over some story he put up. So, I know he's out there and I know he's paying attention. Maybe he'll explain it to me. How did you end up on Charlie's radar? I don't know. And I've asked around and nobody seems to know. It could just be as simple as Charlie put some feelers out and some random person was like, "Hey, he's a pretty good political operative down in the Phoenix area. Maybe he'll interview him." And he interviews him and likes him and they hire him. Could be that easy. Could be that easy. But but as with most things in Charlie's life, things don't seem to usually go that easily. Usually there's some sort of background, some sort of motive. And so it strikes me as interesting. I put that Erica Kirk series, that montage of her showing up in the office in 2018, August of 2018. I put that bracketed for you for a reason because if you back up three months, you'll remember several months ago, we played an interview. It's that same Bloom interview where she said she had gone I could probably pull it back up now. I didn't have it on my run, but I could probably find it. It said she had gone to um she had gone to Jerusalem or Israel for the purpose of finding a husband. That was her express reason for wanting to go to Israel. I played that for you a few months ago. Maybe I don't know, maybe a couple months ago. Let's see if I can find it. Um but that's what she was trying to do. Um yeah, here it is. I'll play this part of it just so you can see. This is kind of the context of what's going on in both of their lives. So, let me play this clip for you real fast. This will this will put it in context a little bit because this trip to Jerusalem or trip to Israel was in May, May 6 to 16 of 201 18. >> That year, that was in August. In May, I had taken a pilgrimage with my mom to Israel. And my whole intention of that trip was to find my future husband. >> And I remember talking about how weird that was. In fact, Adfleet did a whole video on my reaction to that line. My whole purpose of going to Jerusalem was to find a husband. I know a lot of people that go out to different places. I feel this question often. I need to find somebody. Where do where do I even begin to look in the year 2026? church, work, neighborhood gettogethers, community events, nonprofits. I've never heard anybody say, "What you ought to do is go to the other side of the world, and while you're there, maybe you'll find a husband." No, they don't speak the language there. Irrelevant objection. 403 judge. It doesn't matter. What difference does it make? That's like when you go into Hillary Clinton at this point. What difference does it make? I mean, you're on the ground. Get hungry, girl. Start fight. start finding them. Scratch the back of their legs if you have to. Just don't pee on them. Don't be like a dog. But I remember what a weird thing to say. And this is the context. So Erica at this point in time, May of 2018, so desperate is she to find a husband, she boards a flight to Israel. Strange. I mean, I it it leaves me speechless. But that's how desperate she is to find a husband. And so I start calling around. I start asking around, talk me through what's going through Charlie Kirk's life in August of 2018. August, September, and October 2018. Because this is sort of when the courtship began with Erica France. And what I learned was amazing. I learned it was absolutely incredible what's going on in Charlie's life at the time. A couple of things. one Charlie had never had much luck with the ladies. He um had really only pursued one woman in his life that I'm aware of that I was able to track down and it didn't work out well. I don't think I think it was unrequited love. If you know what that is, that is where uh the suitor um is pursuing someone who doesn't want to be suited by the suitor. Unrequited love. In other words, he's he likes this girl. They're friends. They're friendly. They spend a lot of time together. So he finally pops the question, "Hey, do you want to be an item?" And she's like, "No, I don't want to be an item." And so Charlie's heartbroken. That background gives me a lot of context because this happened between the Jerusalem and the grand opening. Charlie gets heartbroken between Jerusalem and grand opening. If you've ever seen a 25, 26 year old man who's heartbroken over unrequited love, he's a little mopy. He's a little droopy. He's not in an ideal state. And then on the other side, you have an Erica Kirk who's so desperate to find a man, she's willing to fly around the world. Literally fly around the world to go to a country where they don't speak English to try to find a husband. Also a country where almost none of them are Christian, but try to find a husband. So So is her faith. But but I'm neither here nor there. Neither here nor there. I'm not going to judge the girl. Not going to judge her. But I think people should try to pair up with people who have like-minded religious conviction. You know, if you're Hindu, marry a Hindu. Uh so anyway, this is the context for where we are. This is about to get real cuz I want to play a clip for you because when I asked what was going on in Charlie's life at the time, I was pointed to this. as the defining moment of Charlie's life in the months leading up to meeting Erica France. There was one moment in particular I can almost nail it down to the day. This was what was going on in Charlie's life. It was this tweet right here. I love the way Candace Owens thinks. And I p I paused when I heard that and I thought, well, tell me more. I'm intrigued. Tell me why this would have any impact whatsoever to do with Charlie. Because this obviously, if you're Candace Owens, could be a defining moment in your life. But what does this have to do with Charlie? And here's what came back. When Kanye tweeted this in April of 2018, Candace and Charlie were like at their peak. They were hanging out a lot. They were besties. They were big buds. Um, they would go everywhere together. They traveled together. They were very dynamic together on stage. It was kind of a almost a good cop, bad cop thing. Charlie came in as the good cop. Candace played the bad cop. I hate to tell you, Candace, I'm now the bad cop. That's okay. That's okay. I'm willing to allow it. I'll take the role when necessary. I'll d the cap. But she was the bad cop. They had this little great little dynamism between them. So I said, "Okay, well, talk me through that. Why would that be such a defining moment for Charlie? I don't really understand it." Okay, I get it. They're close, but what what difference did it make? Kanye likes Candace, whatever. And he said, "You don't understand." It changed everything because it sent a shiver down the spine of the TPUSA camp. All of the sudden, this guy that we've invested millions of dollars in, this this Charlie Kirk that we've now been crafting for six years, and we want to keep him in the camp, and we want to keep him on board, and we want to make sure his messaging reflects what it is we're investing in. all of a sudden he's flirting with Kanye West and they're showing up places together and they're they're publicly you know good mouthing each other on Twitter and you know shout outs at shows and I it's crazy he said but you got to understand Baron at the exact same time that Charlie's camp was freaking out thinking oh my gosh because you got to understand what Kanye was doing at the time Kanye was for for the first time in his life discovering that he did not have to be yolked and controlled by the music industry, by the people who cut the checks. This is when he started lashing out at the executives, lashing out at the religion, lashing out at some of the uh craziness that goes on behind the scenes. He fired his longtime manager in April of that year, about the time he said, "I like the way Candace Owens thinks." He fired one guy in March and another guy in April. And then he puts on Twitter about the time he sends this Candace Owen things out, he puts on Twitter and says, "I can't be managed. I don't have a manager anymore. I'm going to manage myself from here on out." Well, you've got Yeezy brand tied up in this, which is a multi-billion dollar brand. You've got the record labels tied up in this. Those are multi-billion dollar brands. You know, Kanye is feeding a lot of people like not 10, not a hundred, not a thousand like work at TPS. Kanye is feeding a hundred thousand people. Tens of thousands of jobs depend on Kanye West producing hit records, designing cool merchandise, and selling it and remaining credible and cool, particularly with black women. All of that's in jeopardy with Charlie Kirk. No offense to Charlie Kirk, but black women is not his primary um social demographic. Like, not a lot of black women show up to Charlie Kirk events. I don't know if you've noticed. All of his events are online. Go look. You could probably count them all on one hand. And all of the events, you could probably count them all on one hand. Not talking about the girls taking pictures of him getting dragged to the SUV. I'm talking about like fans. Not a lot out there. So Charlie doesn't appeal to black women. Kanye's bread and butter is black women. If black women turn on Kanye West, he's done. He is toast. So Kanye's camp is freaking out over the Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens Association. Charlie Kirk's camp is freaking out over the Candace Owens and Charlie Kirk association. And this goes on for several months where people are like, "What do we do? How do we separate these people?" Both sides had an interest in dissolving this relationship. That's where Erica Kirk comes in. That's where Erica Kirk is discovered. That's when Erica Kirk goes to Jerusalem to find a husband. And it just so happens that Charlie Kirk is there and Candace Owens. That's when Erica Kirk shows up at the TPUSA headquarters to meet the CEO, potentially get a job. That's when Erica Kirk shows up for a job interview at Bill's Burgers. And Charlie makes the approach smooth as butter, Charlie. Smooth as butter. I like you, but I'm not going to hire you. I want to date you. Oh, that Chuck. He's a lady killer. Does anybody think that was his idea? Does anybody on earth think that was his idea? Sounds like a Tyler Boyer move to me. Charlie, go in there. I think she's ripe for the picking. Get in there, Charlie. Tell her, you know, feel her out. Make sure she's the type of woman you'd want to marry. Ask her about Aristotle. Ask her about Plato. Ask her about John Lock. And when you've got her, then you pull the move. Then you hit her with the line. Hit her, Charlie. She's going to love it. My guess is Erica was prepped for the event. My guess is Erica, who had shown up for the job interview at TPUSA or the job interest at TPUSA in August, my guess is she was prepped that he's going to ask you out. You know, give him a courtesy date. Don't tell him no. Just tell him you'll think about it. Call him back in a couple of days. Take him up on it. The man flies private. He can he can meet you whenever. That's my guess of what happened. I have evidence for that. I have evidence for that because in October, where's the Candace thing? Did I not put that up here? Ah, here it is. Uh, when when did she say this? This was in March of this year. So, a month ago, Candace Owens drops a bombshell. Here is that bomb show. Well, no, no, no. I want to do this out of I'm doing it out of order. Let me back up. This is the the danger of of of live Well, I almost said live radio, live podcasting. Let me let me So, in October, so he go he meets Erica for the first time or she sees him for the first time in May in Jerusalem. This is a month after the Kanye tweet. One month after the Conwe Kanye tweet, he tweets about Candace Owens in October. They're hanging out. They're kicking it. They're having fun, cooling out. I don't know what the kids say these days. And then the next month in May, she goes to Jerusalem, happens to be at the exact same time as Charlie Kirk, to find a husband. They don't they don't cross paths. Two months later, she's in the TPUSA headquarters potentially for a TPUSA faith opportunity. She's introduced to Charlie at the headquarters grand opening. That's August. September, he's at Bill B's burgers pulling that slick move. You know, Charlie, all the charm in the world. I want to date you. He pulls that move in September. They go on a date. They're talking back and forth. I don't know how seriously because if you look at her social media feed, she's doesn't look like she's got a boyfriend at the time, but whatever. That's neither here nor there. I'm not judging. Just one month later, she meets. They start dating in September. One month later, Kanye puts out this tweet. The first tweet, I introduced Candace to the person who made the logo and they didn't want their name on it, so she used mine. I never wanted any association with Blexit. I have nothing to do with it. Blexit of course being the Candace Owens TPUSA effort to uh move conservatism into the black community to separate this mortal strangle hold liberals and Democrats have over the black community. They vote on average 92 to 96% in favor of Democrats any race they're in. Candace and and Charlie decided let's try Blexit and see if we can break that mortal strangle hold. They were having some success. Kanye was giving them even more credibility during that success. And so Yay puts out this tweet on October 30th basically savaging it. I don't want anything to do with it. I have nothing to do with it. In other words, stop using my name, you two. Then he writes this right after it. My eyes are now open, wide open. and now realize I've been used to spread messages I don't believe in. In other words, Charlie and Candace dupe me. I'm distancing myself from politics. In other words, I'm distancing myself from Charlie and Candace and completely focusing on being creative. Completely focusing on being creative. I'm getting out of politics. I don't want to be associated with these people anymore. You can only imagine how devastated they were. It was an eye openening moment. this brief flash, April to October, six months, that they thought, we've got an in with Kanye West. Our brand is going to start skyrocketing. The sky's is the limit. And then it wasn't until March of this year, two months ago, or a little not even a month ago, we get this from Candace Owens. I hope I have this queued up correctly. I think I do. If not, we'll fish around and find it. We'll have a good time regardless. Here's Candace describing what happened leading up to that tweet. >> I get reached out uh I mean somebody reached out to me get reached out to by a young woman in New York and she says to me that at this time she said oh you know Erica knew Kanye. And I said Erica didn't know Kanye. We talking about Erica never knew Kanye. She said no Erica knew Kanye. And I said, "Nope, she wasn't even in the picture in April when Charlie and I were doing all the Kanye stuff. She's never been with him. It's not pictures, whatever. What are you referring to?" And I just assumed that this was like maybe something that Erica said, you know, lies all the time. Maybe she was just like, "Oh, now I date this guy now whatever." And then she says, "No, I have like actual