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Donald Trump Tells Erika Kirk to Sue Critics as HIPAA Violation Questions Surround Candace Owens Investigation
Donald Trump delivered a direct message to Erika Kirk during a national pastors meeting, encouraging her to take legal action against those who have been attacking and defaming her. The president's blunt advice, "sue their ass off", comes amid ongoing controversies surrounding Charlie Kirk's death and Candace Owens' independent investigation. The situation has taken a new turn as questions emerge about potential HIPAA violations, with Owens apparently confirming that Charlie Kirk had medical records at a specific hospital. This raises serious legal questions about how that protected health information was obtained and whether healthcare employees illegally disclosed patient data to support conspiracy theories.
Trump's Direct Message to Erika Kirk
During a meeting with pastors across the nation that Erika Kirk attended, Donald Trump had a special message for her regarding those who have been attacking and defaming her. The president didn't mince words when he spotted Erika at the gathering.
"Hello, darling. Hello, darling. That's a good table. I like that table. You're doing well, right? Okay. I think you should sue him. You know what? I told her, 'You ought to sue some of these. They're so jealous of America.' I said, 'You to sue their... you... I can say you're not allowed to say this. You have to be nicer. Sue their ass off,'" Trump stated.
The president's encouragement for Erika to pursue legal action represents a significant endorsement as she faces continued public scrutiny and conspiracy theories about her late husband's death.
Candace Owens' Misunderstanding of Discovery
Following Trump's comments, Candace Owens responded by suggesting she would welcome a lawsuit because it would require Erika and Turning Point USA to provide information through the discovery process. However, this reveals a fundamental misunderstanding of how legal discovery actually works.
"By the way, I would like to keep reminding you that most of us welcome a lawsuit because then they would be required to give us the information that we're asking for," Owens claimed.
This statement demonstrates either a deliberate misrepresentation or a genuine lack of understanding about legal procedures. Discovery is not unlimited and doesn't allow someone being sued to demand any information they want.
The Reality of Legal Discovery
Discovery in civil litigation operates under specific constraints. The information requested must be relevant to the claims or defenses in the case, or reasonably likely to lead to relevant evidence. It must also be proportional to the needs of the case, considering the amount at stake, the importance of the issues, and the burden and expense involved.
If Erika Kirk were to sue Candace Owens for defamation or breaking a non-disclosure agreement, Owens would not be entitled to every piece of information she's been demanding about Charlie Kirk's death. The discovery would be limited to information directly relevant to the defamation claims or NDA violations.
For example, if the lawsuit centers on Owens calling for people to withdraw donations from Turning Point USA or telling people not to donate to the organization, the discovery would focus on evidence related to those specific statements and their impact—not broader conspiracy theories about Charlie Kirk's death.
Additionally, certain information is protected from discovery, including attorney-client communications, which likely covers much of the information Owens has been demanding.
Why Hasn't Erika Sued Yet?
Many people question why Erika hasn't already filed a lawsuit against Candace Owens if she has such a strong case. The answer is straightforward: Erika's primary focus is on getting justice in the criminal case regarding her husband's death, not on civil litigation against a podcast host.
Despite what critics want people to believe, Erika is focused on what matters most to her right now—ensuring that the person responsible for Charlie's death is convicted. A defamation lawsuit against Candace Owens, while potentially winnable, is not her top priority during this time.
The AI Conspiracy About Charlie's Succession Planning
Candace Owens has expanded her conspiracy theories to claim that audio of Charlie Kirk naming Erika as his successor is artificial intelligence-generated and fake. During an ASU event, Blake Neff was asked about Erika becoming CEO and confirmed that everyone had heard the audio of Charlie saying that if anything were to happen to him, Erika should be the boss because she would do a good job.
Owens has demanded that Turning Point USA release the video from Aspen where Charlie allegedly named Erika as his successor, suggesting that the audio-only version is suspicious. Blake Neff responded directly to this challenge, explaining why they haven't bothered to release the video.
"Candace, we haven't bothered playing it because we know psychopathic predators like yourself do not care what is true or false and normal evidentiary logic has no effect on you. You're kind of person who sees coded messages in the numbers 33, but then ignores evidence like DNA on a rifle or Tyler Robinson's own family members turning him in," Neff stated.
He continued: "Playing the audio at Amfest already wasn't enough. You'll obviously just say it's AI or a hologram or an Israeli actor or something. So, what's the point? We gave up the possibility of any good faith conversation with you months ago. It's like you're trying to reason with a maniac brandishing a knife and screaming at people on the subway."
The point is clear: no amount of evidence will satisfy someone determined to believe conspiracy theories. If video were released, Owens would simply claim it was AI-generated video, deepfake technology, or some other fabrication.
The HIPAA Violation Question
Perhaps the most serious development in this ongoing saga is that Candace Owens may have admitted to being involved in or having knowledge of HIPAA violations. In a recent Instagram video, Owens made a statement that raises significant legal questions.
Discussing the hospitals where Charlie Kirk received treatment, Owens stated: "To this day, I have never had even one eyewitness at Timpanogos who witnessed that whole scene reach out to us. Whereas we had a ton of people that were reaching out about the other hospital, insisting Charlie was at the other hospital, Utah Valley, and then we confirmed that he had a file there."
This statement—"we confirmed that he had a file there"—is extremely problematic from a legal standpoint. How exactly did Candace Owens confirm that Charlie Kirk had a medical record at a specific hospital?
Understanding HIPAA Protections
HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act) protections include not just detailed medical notes, but even the basic fact that a specific individual was a patient, was treated, or had a record at a facility. The mere confirmation that someone has a file at a hospital is protected health information.
For Candace Owens to confirm that Charlie Kirk had a file at a hospital, someone at that hospital would have had to look up that information and provide it to her or her team. Candace Owens is not related to Charlie Kirk, not married to him, has no child with him, and has no next-of-kin relationship that would give her any legal right to that information.
This means that either hospital employees illegally disclosed protected health information to Owens or her team, or Owens is lying about having confirmed this information. If hospital employees did provide this information, they committed a serious HIPAA violation and should face consequences.
HIPAA Violation Penalties
The penalties for HIPAA violations are severe and escalate based on the circumstances:
- If someone accesses or shares records without authorization: up to $50,000 fine plus one year in jail
- If done under false pretenses: $100,000 fine and five years in jail
- If done for personal gain, fame, or harm: $250,000 fine and ten years in jail
If hospital employees provided Charlie Kirk's protected health information to support Candace Owens' investigation and boost her platform, that would fall under the third category—done for fame or to cause harm. This carries the most severe penalties: up to $250,000 in fines and ten years in prison.
Candace's Legal Obligation
By publicly stating that she confirmed Charlie Kirk had medical records at a specific hospital, Candace Owens has admitted to having knowledge of a crime. Even if she didn't personally commit the HIPAA violation, she has now announced to the world that she knows one occurred.
This creates an obligation to report the violation. The employees who disclosed this information—if Owens is telling the truth—have committed a federal crime, and Owens has just provided evidence of that crime to millions of viewers.
The most likely scenario is that Owens will claim the information came from an "anonymous source," which would allow her to avoid any personal legal liability while also making it impossible to verify whether the HIPAA violation actually occurred or whether she's simply making false claims.
The Broader Pattern
This incident fits into a larger pattern of either deliberate misrepresentation or reckless disregard for facts. Whether it's misunderstanding how legal discovery works, claiming audio recordings are AI-generated despite having no evidence, or potentially being involved in HIPAA violations, the pattern suggests either intentional deception or a dangerous level of incompetence when making serious accusations.
For the millions of people who follow Candace Owens' coverage of this story, this should raise questions about the reliability of the information being presented. If she's bringing anonymous sources as facts in something as serious as a HIPAA violation, while simultaneously making claims about AI-generated audio and demanding unlimited discovery in lawsuits she doesn't understand, what does that say about the credibility of her entire investigation?
The irony is that what could potentially bring down months of conspiracy theorizing isn't a grand revelation or smoking gun evidence—it's a simple admission of knowledge about a federal crime, casually mentioned in a social media video.
Video Transcript
Something very interesting happened
yesterday. Donald Trump during a uh a
meeting with a lot of pastors across the
nation that Erica Kirk attended said
something that all of us
have been rejoicing
to hear. The president of the United
States had a special message for Erica
Kirk himself. Uh, this is what he had to
say to Erica Kirk about all the people
that have been lying about her, that
have been attacking her, that have been
defaming her. Here's what he had to say.
A thing called Happy Easter. Do we have
that? Everyone happy? Anybody that
doesn't want Hello, darling. Hello,
darling. That's a good table. I like
that table. Um, you're doing well,
right? Okay. I think you should sue him.
You know what? I told her, "You ought to
sue some of these. They're so jealous of
America." I said, "You to sue their you
I can say you're not allowed to say
this. You have to be nicer. Sue their
ass off."
>> God, I love our president.
>> Sue Erica. Sue. Sue Erica. Sue. Sue
Erica. Sue. The president sees it. You
should sue their Evan their everliving
butt off.
Okay,
but then that leads us
>> to man
>> Candace Owens about this. Candace Owens
had this to say about Trump saying that
Erica should sue. This is what Candace
had to say. Let's play it.
>> By the way, I would like to keep
reminding you that most of us welcome a
lawsuit because then they would be
required to give us the information that
we're asking for.
>> That's not accurate.
>> Great. That's not accurate.
>> Okay,
>> that's not accurate.
>> This is the IQ test that Candace Owens
fails all the time. And so this is
education thing. How pulse check in the
comment section right now. How many
people believe that if someone is sued,
discovery is real? But how many people
believe that discovery allows you to get
every single piece of information you
want from the person that sued you? How
many people believe that? Comment yes or
no in the comment section right now. And
it's okay if you get this wrong.
I don't blame you if you get it wrong
because so many people have lied to you
for so many years and no more so than
Candace Owens. And what concerns me more
for Candace, who's going to lose this
lawsuit to France by the way, but either
way,
>> please, Lord,
>> she truly either is just lying or she
seems to believe
that discovery means that Candace Owens
can do whatever she wants. So, we just
got some simple simple facts here.
>> Simple really.
>> All right. Discovery
is unlimited. No, it's not. Actually,
Discovery is not unlimited. So, for
example, if
Erica Kirk were to eventually sue
Candace Owens for defamation
andor breaking of a non-disparagement
agreement or a non-disclosure agreement.
Okay. what you are able to get in
discovery, it must be relevant to the
claim or defenses in the case or
reasonably likely to lead to relevant
evidence. So, if they sue you for
defamation and they sue you for breaking
an NDA,
how does demanding that you get every
correspondence, video, surveillance,
everything of the murder of Charlie Kirk
bring evidence to the contrary of that?
Buler, the answer is it doesn't. Uh, it
must be proportional to the needs of the
case considering the amount at stake,
the importance of the issue, the burden,
expense, and particular resources.
Again, they're not going to sue Candace
Owens
for spreading all these conspiracy
theories about Charlie. No, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no. They're going to
specifically sue her for defamation in
the sense of openly calling for people
to take back their money from the
organization.
>> Openly telling people not to donate to
the organization. They've got her dead
to rights right there.
>> Yeah.
>> But also, here's the thing. If Candace
has an NDA with Turning Point USA, she's
dead to rights.
>> That's a fact.
She is dead to rights. What else can you
do with discovery?
Certain information is off limits,
including privileged information.
Attorney client communications,
doctor patient records in some context.
I wonder how much of the Charlie Kirk
information is under the attorney client
communications category.
>> All of it.
So, what exactly do you think you're
going to get, Candace? Nothing. Because
they're not going to sue you for
anything other than defamation,
liel, and uh
breaking of an NDA.
Oh, and by the way, again, you have
privileged material, which is attorney
client communications.
Candace Owens is screwed if she gets
sued. So, that brings a lot of people as
to, well, okay, well, why doesn't Erica
sue her right now? Okay, you want me to
tell you? All right, I'll tell you.
Because they're trying to get the person
who murdered him convicted first.
>> There you go.
>> Erica's sole focus right now is not
suing Candace Owens for every dollar
that she has because that is not what is
most important to her right now.
You see, despite what many people want
you to believe, Erica is a principled
woman. She's a god-fearing woman, and
she wants justice for her husband right
now. Well, if she wanted justice, she
would give all the info to Candace
Owens. And why?
>> Why would she Why would she do that? In
fact, Blake Nef had this to say. Blake
Nef in a recent ASU ask me anything type
event was asked about Erica becoming the
CEO. All right. And he says that yeah,
you don't have to play the video. He
says, "Yeah, you know, everybody's heard
the audio of Charlie saying there's
something everywhere to happen to me. Uh
Erica should be the boss. She'd do a
good job."
Candace is now claiming that she
believes that Turning Point that that's
AI.
That the reason they're not showing the
video of Charlie saying that and they
just extracted the audio is because it's
AI. It's made up. Don't believe me? Here
we go. Love this. Can you please release
the video you shot in Aspen of him
naming her as his successor a couple
weeks before he died? Just feel that it
would go a long way. Okay. one. Um, even
if Charlie hadn't said that,
the board of Turning Point USA that
Charlie answered to, by the way, voted
her as the president and the CEO. So, it
really doesn't matter. But two, Blake
Nef has this to say, and I think that
this is very important. Candace, we
haven't bothered playing it because we
know psychopathic predators like
yourself do not care what is true or
false and normal evidentiary logic has
no effect on you. You're kind of person
who sees coded messages in the numbers
33, but then ignores evidence like DNA
on a rifle or Tyler Robinson's own
family members turning him in. Playing
the audio at Amfest already wasn't
enough. You'll obviously just say it's
AI or a hologram or an Israeli actor or
something. So, what's the point? We gave
up the possibility of any good faith
conversation with you months ago. It's
like you're trying to reason with a
maniac brandishing a knife and screaming
at people on the subway, you're the same
thing. And he's not wrong. Candace
Owens, no matter what, if they were to
play a video of Charlie saying it, she
would just say
>> something seems off about this video.
That's not That's not how Charlie
normally holds a microphone. That's not
how Charlie normally sits. This is AI.
This is a AI generated video. This is
not real. There's nothing that you can
say to get her to stop. But one more
thing I want to bring to the attention
of this with Candace Owens.
Did Candace Owens just admit
>> HIPPA
>> that she
was involved in HIPPA violations? Let's
play her latest Instagram post for her
latest video and let's hear exactly what
she says about her new conspiracy about
the hospitals. And I'm pretty sure she
says in here that people from one of the
hospitals contacted her to let her know
that Charlie had a treatment record
here. Let's play it.
>> All of these turning point people
turmeric is drenched in blood. To this
day, I have never had even one
eyewitness at Typonos who witnessed that
whole scene reach out to us. Whereas we
had a ton of people that were reaching
out about the other hospital, insisting
Charlie was at the other hospital, Utah
Valley, and then we confirmed that he
had a file there. What is going on? It's
almost like
>> that's a HIPPA violation right there.
Right there.
>> Just said that they confirmed that
Charlie
had a record there. So,
>> and I'm just asking a question. How
could Candice confirm that Charlie Kirk
had a record at the hospital?
comment in the comment section right
now. That would mean someone at the
hospital
>> would have had to look it up and then
confirm it. Now, Candace Owens is not
related to Charlie Kirk. Candace Owens
is not married to Charlie Kirk. Candace
Owens doesn't have a baby by Charlie
Kirk. Candace Owens has no
next of kin relation. Oh, Graham blah
blah blah blah blah. Uh, that's not
this, this, this, or that. Okay.
>> Yes, it is.
>> All right. What is HIPPA? HIPPA includes
not just detailed medical notes, which
is what most people believe.
Uh, HIPPA
includes even the basic fact that a
specific individual person was a
patient, was treated, or had a record at
a facility. Mhm. So my question is this.
Who at these hospitals is talking to
Candace Owens to release and violate
HIPPA
that Charlie Kirk was even there or had
a treatment record in the first place.
Unless she's lying, of course.
>> Now, if she's lying, I guess people's
jobs are saved. But if she's telling the
truth, Candace Owens is actively
involved in HIPPA violations and she's
communicating with hospital employees
that have access to medical records that
are confirming Charlie Kirk has a record
at other hospitals and that is a HIPPO
violation. They should be fired.
>> Yep. So my question is this, Candace.
Are you in cooperation
with HIPPA violators or are you lying?
And if you are in cooperations with
HIPPO violators, those people should be
reported and those people should be
fired.
Unless of course you're lying.
>> Yep.
>> Who are these people? sucks. And what
sucks about this is Candice, if this is
true, Candace didn't do the HIPPO
violation, the person at the hospital
did. You can't just call a hospital and
say, "Hey, is Graham Allen a patient in
your hospital?" They can't tell you
that. Like, not over the phone. Even if
it was Alyssa, they wouldn't be able to
tell her that. They would have to prove
who they are before that information is
divulged.
>> So then you just had an even bigger
thing. Okay. And again, I am not saying
Candace Owens did that, but did they
give her the information because she's
Candace Owens?
>> Or did she perhaps, and I'm not saying
that she did this because to Todd's
point, you have to prove
>> that you have the reason to get access
to this information.
or
was there something far more nefarious
going on
>> and maybe there was some proof
that they should have been given that
information.
>> Again, I'm not saying that that did
happen. What's more likely is you've got
Candonites that are crazy psychotic cult
members
>> that are again releasing HIPPA protected
information to a podcast host. And
honestly, Candace Owens is probably
smarter than this. It probably was
released to her staff so Candace could
throw her staff under the bus after
people like us point out the fact that
you can't do that. The people that
release this information at these
treatment facilities, the hospital,
whatnot, they should be fired. And
honestly, I don't know what the
punishment for HIPPA is. HIPPA violation
punishments. But I I as as sad as it is
to say um Candace is going to be
completely in the clear with the with
the HIPPA violation because all she's
going to say is well it was an anonymous
source that told me that they contacted
the hospital or an anonymous source. So
nothing's ever going to come about it.
It just all we're doing is just we're
trying to show you guys the extent of
the lie or the crazy one or the other.
and one or the other or both
>> that it's not that simple. It's not that
simple. Like, okay, even if and this is
the thing that bothers me the most about
the people that watch people like
Candace, Tucker, Megan, okay, we just
prove to you that either a crime has
taken place that Candace Owens was a
part of or she's lying or she'll
backtrack and say that it was an
anonymous source. Okay. So, you're
bringing anonymous sources as facts in
something as serious as a HIPPO
violation,
but this is the person you're listening
to. This is the person that millions of
people listen to.
>> Uh, if only excesses or shares records,
uh, up to $50,000 fine plus a year in
jail. If done under false pretenses, a
$100,000 fine, five years in jail. If
for personal gain, fame, or harm,
$250,000,
and 10 years in jail.
>> It's the third one. It's number three.
>> It's number three. So, these employees
or this person that works at the
hospital is in serious serious trouble
because Candace Owens just verbally
admitted that a crime was committed. I
wonder if Candace Owens is aware of
that. She better be made aware of it
now. You just verbally admitted that you
you have detailed knowledge of a crime
that was committed, Candace.
You now have to do the right thing.
>> If an employee of a hospital leaked this
info to you, even if you didn't ask for
it, you have an obligation to report it
because you just announced it in front
of the whole world that you know that a
hippoc crime was committed.
>> Yep.
>> So, what are you going to do, Candace
Owens?
That's the question. And every single
one of you should clip that part right
there and post it everywhere because
Candace Owens verbally admitted that she
is aware of a crime that was committed.
>> That's a fact.
>> What is she going to do?
>> That's my question.
>> The only fact in this whole thing, but
yeah, it's still a fact.
>> Anyway, all right. That's all we got for
this episode, ladies and gentlemen. We
hope you enjoyed it. Uh, please make
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What, son?
>> How awesome would it be that all this
like six, seven, or however long it's
been months worth of BS only to be taken
down by a hippo violation. That would be
>> by two rednecks.
>> That would be awesome
>> cuz nobody else is talking about it. We
heard that and Todd brought it up and we
looked into it and we're like
>> she's admitting to knowing or having
advanced knowledge of a crime that has
been committed.
>> Yeah. I'm saying
>> and she just admitted it live in front
of all of her millions of people, not
only just on Instagram, but on her show.
>> Yeah. And and to the that just
said this is a paid propaganda grift,
how is it propaganda? We literally she
it came out of her mouth. Re we didn't
say it.
>> She's the one that said that you know
that that they were able to confirm that
Charlie had a record at a hospital.
>> Sure. Propaganda. Yeah.