Luke Beasley Debates Twenty Trump Supporters on Economics, January Sixth, and Patriotism in Heated Roundtable

Would you be in a foxhole with Donald Trump or in a foxhole with Kla Harris? He had an option to go to the foxholes and he lied multiple times to not get drafted. >> I focus on let's get the population healthy. We got a bunch of sick. >> We're not going to do it by taking away their healthc care. He had a lawful asylum claim. He had gone to the voter checkpoint. >> When you're trying to deport 20 million people, sometimes a few things happen. >> Hi, I'm Luke Beasley. I'm a liberal jinzy political commentator and today I'm surrounded by 20 boomer Trump supporters. My first claim is magnanomics is terrible for the economy. >> Luke, >> you look very swanky. >> Very nice to meet you. >> Um, let's just start here, okay? Because you would agree Trump's landmark economic policy is tariff, tariff, tariff. That's like his biggest thing. >> Well, let's start let's start with the big picture. Trump has the right vision with the with >> Oh, we'll get there. Let's just get clear. Who pays the tariff? >> Okay, first of all, I'm I'm a businessman. I I I do grow CFO work around the world. I got hundreds of clients. I've been 30 years of building businesses. Beautiful. >> I can tell you firsthand the reason why many of my American companies can't get into foreign markets is because of tariff barriers. >> Just because Trump always seems confused about this, who is it that pays a tariff? >> Well, the the importer does. >> The importer. So every time Trump says foreign countries are the ones who pay the tariff, it's not US companies. He's a lying. >> That's true. Is it >> good? Weird for his whole economic policy to be based on a lie. But my opinion, >> but what does it do? So that the tariff barriers create create a fair access. So it's all about fair. America Americans look around the look around the room. You got some of the most talented people you will ever know in the world. We can give us a chance to compete. Level playing field. We will do the work. We will bring in international business. Many of our jobs are with globalization which I which I live. Many of our jobs have gone international because of unfair tariff practices. Even when we had we had property in China, we we had to hire a non-tariff barrier. We had to hire a Chinese spy to be in our telecom company still in our secret. >> Okay, we're just that's like a random man. We got to go more. When you look at the impact, we've seen job growth slowing. We've seen GDP growth slowing, unemployment ticking up, employment getting worse. That's all an impact of him slapping these. He's he's also tariffing just quickly Brazil >> which has we have a trade surplus with so it's not the trade barrier reason he's tariffing countries where it doesn't make coherent sense because he's upset about this thing or that thing but then we're the ones paying the consequences that's incoherent >> let's be clear about impact in the second quarter which we're we're still what we just finished in the second quarter GDP was at 3% which is a normal range for us inflation is at two 2.1 to 2.4% 4% which is normal for us. Unemployment down at 4%. >> Do you agree that we saw 48 consecutive months of job growth under Biden and then Trump came in and we lost jobs for the first time in June? I think it was. >> But we agree there's 4% unemployment which which is a which is a >> well he was handed 4% unemployment. >> You can't give him credit for that. That's what Biden gave him. >> Okay. Okay. >> Agreed. Biden's economy was good. >> Not not agreed. Not agreed. In Biden's economy, inflation went up. There were nine some some years 9%. Well, we handled it better than our G7 counterparts. That was kind of a pandic thing. >> We We have $6 trillion of new forms of investment coming in. We have a focus. We have a focus on AI. We have a focus on energy. Trump has a right vision for Americans and people like you. You work. >> Let's talk again about he his argument, right, is that we're going to bring in a bunch of domestic manufacturers, which will be more expensive. Otherwise, we would have been manufacturing here already. We've sent them elsewhere because it was cheaper. And so, he's saying we'll bring factories back. >> You're saying you send our jobs. You're saying you sent our jobs elsewhere, not it's not it's not the manufacturing that's important. They used to have 20,000 manufacturing companies around Chicago alone. Many of them left never to return, which are jobs for people like the people in the room and people like that that support you. Solution is not good for us. Broadstrokes, draconian tariffs as shown by we're losing manufacturing. We're losing jobs. We're not I can talk about companies I work for. You can Google it. We'll do work for manufacturing jobs. They have more orders they can deliver. Those are anecdotal, not the broad. >> Tell me why. Tell me why you're against fair trade for Americans. I'm Yeah. And if Trump wanted to negotiate, >> then how do you get to it without doing tariffs? >> If he wanted to use it as a threat, right? He goes to countries, he says, "You have these trade barriers. If you don't reduce them, I'm going to slap tariffs." That would be one thing. That's not what he did. >> So, you think if threats work, >> but that's not what happened. He just slapped tariffs on the whole world, including an island with penguins on it, >> and then started trying to make deals, but it wasn't really working. So, he just started Wait, really? Hear this. Not very many. It was like three that were actually deals. And then he just started sending letters to countries with no concessions saying, "Hey, this is your tariff rate." So there was no concession. We still have to pay higher tariffs here. We don't get the benefits that he says we're going to get, but we get the downsides of paying higher. >> We get we get them a chance to employment. The companies I work for get >> It's not working. Okay, pause. You've been voted out. >> My friend Luke, nice to meet you. >> Hi. >> Hi, Luke. How are you? >> Good. How are you? Nice to meet you. What's your name? >> My name is Roslin. >> Roslin. >> Yes. >> Nice to meet you. >> Nice to meet you. >> So, we're going to do this with everyone. We agree Trump lies when he says foreign countries pay the tariffs. >> You know what's interesting about that is that if they weren't paying something, why were they so hard working trying to get out of it? >> China, Japan, Mr. Japan is not paying the US government in tariffs. Correct. >> Money is coming in. Money is coming in from multiple countries. First of all, you have UAE, Saudi Arabia, Japan, South Korea that have tariffs, yes or no, >> that have all come to the table to give more than a trillion dollar tariffs right now. Are these countries paying us in tariffs? >> I do not say agree that the tariffs were the best idea, >> but I'll go ahead and give you that. Okay, cool. But all of the deals that Trump himself has made with countries that are bringing in over a trillion dollars to give to the economy where they're going to make money off of the American people, it's going to be great. >> Okay, so major point. I hear it. But let me connect two thoughts. If Trump's so willing to lie to you saying that foreign countries pay the tariff, which he repeats constantly, which is not true, then maybe he's lying to you about how many investments are happening. Like when they try to document it on their website, the last time I checked, they were able to document like 2.6 trillion and 1.3 trillion of that was from the Biden era in foreign in investments in the United States. So if he's willing to lie about the policy he screams about such a beautiful word tariff then he's probably willing to lie about thank you about uh how many investments are happening. Okay, first of all, these countries actually came here, made the investments, spoke to the media. This is not of the ether. They showed up here in the United States, South Korea, Japan, all of these different people. Either they got there or they didn't. And they are going to invest trillions of dollars into our economy. It's going to be good. There will be more jobs. in this economy than what we can probably >> Why are we losing jobs right now? Then >> you want to know something? >> We were losing jobs under Biden. >> We had historic job growth. But >> that is not true. >> True. Couple things. First of all, why do we outperform every single country on the planet under Biden in our recovery from the pandemic? We saw better GDP growth, historic unemployment, and then Trump has claimed he brought in 17 trillion in investment to the United States. Okay. >> Our GDP is like 27 28 trillion. Does that make any sense? about the numbers that Trump said, but you're quoting to me numbers that Biden said. No. >> So if you want to know something, if you don't believe one, why do you believe the other? >> Trump saying in front of a mic, 17 trillion is different than the Bureau of Labor Statistics. I'm not talking about his words, Trump's words. Nowhere in the government have they've been able to substantiate 17 trillion. Zero. They've only been able to substantiate, as I said, like 2.6, 3 trillion, and a big chunk of that comes from the Biden era. Whereas the jobs numbers can be substantiated by independent sources and are the institutions we go to for those trackers, the unemployment, the GDP, all of those things are actually mathematically substantiated, whereas Trump's big bold claims aren't. >> Do you want to know something? >> You've been voted out by the majority. Please return to your seat. >> It's a pleasure. >> Nice to meet you, >> Luke. Hello. Doing a good job over there, buddy. You're tough. >> Thank you. Let's see what you got for me. >> Let's go. >> So, you agree Trump's lying when he says foreign countries pay the tariff? >> I don't say he's lying, >> but he's wrong. >> But I'm saying it's not the complete truth. >> It's not true at all >> because everybody is involved in who's paying tariffs. It ultimately it's the company's doing business, but then ultimately it ends up with the consumer. So, I have some good feelings about tariffs. I have some not so good feelings. But what I like about it is he's stirring up the pot. He's stirring up the conversation. And what I like about that is he's got the world >> talking. >> Stirring. I don't want to stir. I have to pay more. Stop. >> Oh, I do. >> You want to pay more? >> I want to stir it up. >> You want to stir it up. >> Absolutely. So, I like the world jobs, which we have. >> I don't like jobs. I don't like >> We lost jobs in June for the first time since the first time Trump was president. >> I I don't like losing jobs and I agree with you. I don't like losing jobs. But what I like to do, we have to get excited about what's possible and the future for our country and what we call we're calling maggonomics. I'm excited because it's based in capitalism. It's based in free trade. It's based in getting the world involved. It's based in >> free trade. That's the opposite of free trade. >> It's it's an attachment to trade and people are going to negotiate the number. I mean, you know the history of of tariffs. It used to be this and now it's that and now it's becoming a new thing. But tariffs are just a part of >> what does that mean? I don't know. >> Tariffs are just a part of of doing business. It's just >> it's a trade. It's a trade barrier. It's a tax. >> It it can be a barrier, but you negotiate if you don't negotiate in business. >> Just so everyone knows here in case you're next. I don't think you can never use tariffs for anything. There are certain critical but Trump is using them on everything on all of that. He has so many strategies >> strategies. You need multiple multiple strategies. >> Have you met him? AI. Look at AI. Look what he's doing. He's made the claim. >> Semiconductor terrorist. That would be one thing. But instead, he's doing >> semiconductors is a good category. I'm glad we agree on that. A great negotiator doesn't limit himself. He takes as much as he can and he puts it here. Those are just like we come up floating fun. >> Negotiations are real, bro. >> It doesn't mean anything. No, they're real. He's not negotiating with most of the countries. He's sending letters with just this is your tariff rate and then we pay more for it. >> Okay. Tariffs is one thing. Let's move on to something else. >> That's the main thing. Okay. Well, let's go next to I think demand side economics where you really invest in communities that need it and are going to be the quickest to spend that dollar is a much more effective way to stimulate the economy as opposed to like supply side trickle down economics. >> Demand I'm all for demand economics. >> Trump is doing the most trickle down insane redistribution of wealth from the bottom to the top with his big beautiful bill. the largest cut to Medicaid ever. Nearly a trillion over a decade. >> Trim things. We need to tighten things. He lowered tax. >> I'm on social security. Bro, you think I don't worry about that? He lowered tax for the richest Americans. >> I am for that. >> I'm taking the poorest Americans because the richest people are business owners and they're who are creating jobs. Without jobs in America, Luke, you know this. Without a job, Luke, in America, without a job, you have nothing. You have no shot at anything. It's the most important thing. >> Ripping away funds to critical programs hurts community. They now have less money. They have less money. >> We got to tighten. We got to tighten up. We got to tighten up. We give too much out. >> Let's just focus. >> Did you just shush me, Luke? >> I did. I apologize. I apologize. All right. You're forgiven. >> I apologize. But shushing me. Get out of here. >> But do you agree? >> Okay, I'm focused. at the same time that he did one of the biggest giveaways to the wealthiest 1%. He's also which is increasing our debt. He's also cutting Medicaid. So it's not about tightening up because he's increasing the debt with these tax cuts for the rich and he's cutting Medicaid. That doesn't that's not tightening up, it's expanding for the rich. >> I can talk about Medicaid. Medicaid has been taken advantage of. >> You slapped my hand >> by uh well I hope it's okay. Medicaid has been taken advantage of. People are getting Medicaid. They don't deserve Medicaid. They don't qualify for Medicaid. It's not okay. So, I like it. I like that he trimmed Medicaid. >> A trillion dollars over a decade is going to cut a bunch of people who do do rely on it who aren't scared. We need to get them healthy mathematically. We need to get them healthy. I focus on let's get the population healthy. We got a bunch of sick. >> We're not going to do it by taking away their healthcare. >> Well, let's let's put the money into fitness and health programs. I like that. >> He's not doing that. He's giving it to rich people. >> No. No. Programs to get you healthy, not kill you. No, >> this is the best you got, bro. >> Come on, Luke. [Applause] >> Hello. >> Hello. >> Oh, Jean. >> Jean. Nice to meet you. >> Okay, so uh about tariffs, it's actually very simple. Uh all we have to do just uh look what happened before. In 1913, the only money coming into United States was from tariffs. We had no income. >> 1913. >> Yeah. Something bad happened. But not because of that. >> The tariffs was bringing so much money that we we could uh was able to buy the land. Uh we could borrow the money to other countries. Everything was fine. Then there was a created uh creation the uh financial system. >> Okay. Okay. Now, but but the history the history has the facts, right? >> We had economy running beautifully just on the tariffs with no income tax, no other no land tax, nothing else. >> We we didn't have >> Why is it Why is it not going to work this time? >> So, we have a fundamentally different economy and I think you have rosecolored glasses about that time and we then went into the Great Depression not too long after that. No, but let's focus. But we have a fundamentally different economy. If unless you want us to get rid of social security, Medicare, Medicaid completely, then it's not going to make any sense for us to pretend like we can go back to a time where we had a fundamentally different tax structure. So I I just because we were talking about it before, we'd have done a lot of tariff talk and I think I made my point on that. I would love to hear your stance because I thought every I thought we were populists in this room. MAGA populism, but we're okay giving huge tax breaks to wealthy folks while you're ripping away healthcare for millions of Americans cuz that's an economic fact that the wealthy uh getting a tax break. >> Oh, that was in Trump's big beautiful bill. Every single independent now. It was absolutely no country. Okay. The fact is the the with the tariffs bring money right now in >> and here's what he's proposing with the money we're going to do. The people who's going to make less than $250,000 will get paid back. people. >> He's not going to give that to you. I promise. >> You can't see the future. I can't. Right. >> I I can't. >> No, you can't. >> I I really can't. >> Look at my eyes. You can't. It's a >> sadness in your eyes. >> In my eyes? >> Um No. So, I mean, okay, maybe wait for him to give give you some paycheck, but in the meantime, he's ripping away healthcare. In the meantime, he's taking away SNAP benefits. In the meantime, he's giving huge tax breaks to wealthy folks. That's strange. We just had the beauty the the biggest uh um fraud uncover in social security and Medicaid and it happened under this administration >> under Trump. >> Yes. >> Okay. Are you what do you mean? So that's why a bunch of people have to lose their health. That's not just to be clear. My issue is that he's he's bloating the def the debt the deficit the debt while he's giving tax breaks to the wealthiest Americans. If you look at independent analysis, you'll see the the combined outcome of this bill, which is not a good economic policy. It's a part of his magnanomic thinking, the trickle down nonsense, is that the poorest Americans lose wealth. Literally, that's the analysis. And the wealthiest Americans gain wealth. >> Okay. >> Okay. Pause. >> We're out of time. >> We're good. >> My next claim is Trump is an authoritarian threat to democracy. Hello. >> Hello, Luke. Lori >> Mills. >> Nice to meet you, Lori. >> Um, well, why don't you say your prompt again, and I really want you to think about your prompt. >> Trump is an authoritarian threat to democracy. He doesn't respect elections. He doesn't respect the non-violent principles of approaching our democratic process, doesn't respect court rulings, is degrading our democratic process in a lot of key ways. >> Okay. So, I want you to really think about what you're saying here. >> Mhm. He's had two assassination attempts because of rhetoric that you're giving right now. >> I disagree. >> Charlie Kirk is dead. >> Because of rhetoric that you are stating right now. Don't you think it's time to take down the rhetoric? >> Yeah, I think absolutely. And I actually make an effort to lower the rhetoric. But me identifying someone's ideology and saying through peaceful means we should push back against someone's authoritarianism is exactly in line with peaceful principles. What happened to Charlie Kirk is an abandonment of all of the principles I hold dear. That was horrific. And so the way that we push back against authoritarianism, like for example, if we're saying political violence is wrong, and that's what I believe, and that's why I am horrified what happened to Charlie Kirk, then is it not anti-democratic, not in the interest of a peaceful approach to a democratic process for Trump to pardon January 6ers? >> Well, no, because a lot of violent, >> not all. >> No, specifically think about people who assaulted. >> I have a friend. >> No, I don't want to hear about your friend. I'm talking about specifically violent offenders. Well, I'm talking >> Daniel Rodriguez stun gunned an officer. He had a heart attack. I'm asking, is it correct that there were people who assaulted police officers violently who got pardons? And are you okay with that? >> Uh, yes. Because their due process was violated when people wasn't. They had their trial. They had their whole due process unlike the people that Trump is without. Are you going to let me speak? I just don't if you're going to avoid I don't feel like you Well, I actually believe that we should not be violent. It sounds like you're okay with some people who were violent, which scares me. I think I believe in the Constitution of the United States which says that you have the right to transfer. I believe that you have a right to a quick and speedy trial. I believe when you weren't a nonviolent offender, you are talking about avoid the question I brought up. No, you're just trying for me to be right. No, you brought up violence. You brought up violence specifically. >> Okay. So, Ashley Babbot, let me ask you. Ashley Babbot is dead. Do you think a 5'1 100 pound girl >> I would love I would love to get to Ashley Baba next and discuss that case but you haven't let me answer your question >> because you're not even trying to answer my question. >> Yes I am every time I start people were thrown in jail for four years without a trial Brady material was withheld in their trials. It sounds like >> so >> you aren't willing to acknowledge we it would be an hour that people were it would be an hours conversation if we want to get to each individual case for you to say let's get back to the specifically pardoned yeah the prompt is Trump is authoritarian threat to democracy so Joe Biden pardoned murders >> that's Joe Biden I'm talking he he removed people off death row which is different >> you've been voted out by the majority please return to your seat >> nice to meet you nice to meet Hello. >> Hi. What's your name? I'm John. >> John. Nice to meet you. That's a good handshake. >> Thank you. >> Luke is my name. >> Luke. I'm sorry. >> So, what do you think of that? Where do you disagree? >> Several places. First off, you're saying that Trump is a threat to democracy. >> Yeah. >> Do me a favor and define that better for me. >> Yeah. I think if you don't respect key democratic principles like so we don't get caught up I'd love to but on January 6th the entire time we could shift to him threatening media companies which is not in the interest of I think if you're doing things against like the first amendment that wouldn't be very in the interest of our democratic process and so lately I'm sure you've kept up with his FCC investigating and threatening media outlets that say stuff that Trump doesn't like. Trump recently said that protesters literally who screamed at him at a restaurant should have RICO cases brought against him. I'm sure people are rolling their eyes because they don't believe that's true. You can find the clip. That's completely disconnected from what we should hold dear as Americans though. >> Here's what I think about it. I think that the fundamental the bedrock of our democracy is civil discourse. Don't you agree? >> Totally. >> Okay. So, when you speak over the last speaker, you're getting rid of civil discourse. You're turning a dialogue into a monologue. >> No, I think it's just heated civil discourse. It's heated civil discourse that you can explain away but doesn't get anything done. I'm I'm here to be understand you and be understood by you. And when only you speak, we're not getting anything done. >> If any I'll just warn everyone if anyone doesn't even try to acknowledge or respond to the points that I'm bringing up to the claim I'm bringing up, then I'm going to have to stop you because we have limited time and I don't want you to just say a bunch of random stuff. Just like there you brought up me interrupting when I'm talking about the president's doing. Me interrupting the last individual is a lot less consequential than Trump threatening media outlets who say things he doesn't like. >> It's fundamental to our democracy. >> But can you address that part? Cuz we're talking about Trump. >> I'm talking about how we even get to a presidential election. >> Okay. >> We have to be able to talk to each other. >> I agree. We're doing >> We have to be able to listen to each other. Yeah. >> We will never know if she was going to get to her point or not because you didn't let her. Well, sometimes if you take too long to get to a destination, I'm going to give up on it. >> Okay, then I'll go to my next point. You say that Trump is a threat to the democracy. >> The military works for him. >> Cool. >> If he wanted to, he could still be in the White House from the first presidency battling >> with those who would follow illegal orders. And I'll bet there's a bunch of them. But didn't happen. Wait, wait, wait. >> He didn't even give an order because he was willing to leave the White House when he was told to. >> After he assembled fraudulent electors to try to stay in power, after he tried to pressure local election officials to defraud their voters, after he riled up a mob that attacked the capital to try to prevent the certification, and then yeah, after all of those legal schemes failed, he ended up leaving cuz everything ran out. >> And >> that's like an attempted someone who attempted to murder someone, you saying it's not bad cuz they weren't able to do it. And after all that, the system worked. The system prevented somebody from being that bad. >> But how does that not make him bad for trying just like an attempted crime? >> I think he did what anybody would want to do, and that is claim to power. Yes. It's just like >> Why did no other president deny the peaceful transfer power like him? >> He was the first one. The first >> Why did Al Gore take the hanging chad situation all the way to the >> Supreme Did Trump ever concede the 2020 election? Did Trump ever concede like Al Gore did? >> Al Gore? >> That's an important question. I don't think so. >> Did you bring up? No, he didn't. And that's bad, right? >> Al Gore. >> Actually, that I think we got into a really important place here. >> And now you're talking over me. >> Well, because you're bringing up Al Gore. Al Gore did the thing that Trump never did. And that's my problem. You don't respect democracy if you don't concede election. >> You reason Trump's civil discourse. No pun intended. >> My Rep. >> Your reason for talking over me. >> Yeah. >> Trump's civil discourse. Now, I do intend the the pun. >> I think Nice. I think Trump attacking media outlets staying in power or trying to stay in power illegally after losing an election fair and square is much more dangerous than me speaking over you. >> Do you really do >> you've been voted out by the majority? Please return to your seat. >> Good one. >> Thank you. >> All right, >> Luke. Shane, >> Shane, nice to meet you, Shane. Another good handshake. >> Yes. Thank you. So, we'll try not to talk over each other because I've got three Gen Z kids. Okay. >> So, I want to hear what you're saying. I think part of the problem is we don't allow dialogue and we don't handle it correctly. We can't repay arrogance for arrogance, hatred, but the question is Trump is a threat to democracy. Correct. Yeah. >> Number one, you mentioned because of the election, he wouldn't concede to. Yeah. Like you mentioned, Al Gore challenged it. Hillary challenged it in 2016. >> Both conceded. >> But your position is he didn't concede. He fought it. Mhm. >> And I think what we need to do also on your side is you got to get all the facts because there are so many shenanigans and things going on and actually Trump supporter I'm a policy supporter so I look at not the person but the policies they support. So yeah, he didn't concede in that way, but there was so much with the voting the Dominion system. And so that that's why I'm >> trying to listen, but >> Okay, go ahead. >> Where's Kla Harris? There are liberal voters who think Kla Harris there were all these fraudulent things. And I say, hey, until that's been demonstrated in a court of law, you can't run with conspiracies. You can't say that Trump is an illegitimate president this go round because of their theories about Kla's election. Would it be correct for her to just start trying to like they tried to get Pence to do when she was when she was vice president and she deployed the ideology that Trump was pushing, which is that she could have blocked the certification to keep Biden in power or try to elect herself with the certification. That would have been insane. All because of theories that she had. I don't care if you felt like there were shenanigans. If you saw things on social media, it was never demonstrated in a court of law. And now Trump's the president and he can't find such evidence. So my point would back to that would be he eventually conceded by uh how he handled everything. No I don't agree with how he handled everything but he obviously conceded because he stepped down and then you said >> that's not the same thing by >> Okay. Well, and then also the second thing if I'm not mistaken is he is going after people >> media. >> If we had time and we talked about how many people went after him incorrectly from Russia gate to the this uh making up of this lies this this topic um you know it it >> I don't let's say even though I would obviously disagree on every single one of the examples you would site that those things happened you would say they're wrong. How does that justify Trump then going after >> ABC or something that doesn't make any sense? I when Jimmy Kimell says what he said, right, and that is just totally demeaning, lying. And so obviously these people have to be held accountable. >> But like CBS, >> he was blocking a merger from going through, using his government authority to prevent a business deal from going through to force them into making the settlement with him. But I don't think that's insane. >> But your question is he's a threat to democracy. Democra actually America isn't a real democracy. It's a republic. >> Democratic republic, >> right? So we put people in positions of leadership who will >> a republic is a democratic system of government guys >> based on who we elect into the office. So I don't see he's a threat to that. I think he's trying to protect that. He's allowing the people to have a voice because remember the role of government. >> He's trying to protect it by >> the democracy. Yeah. >> By undermining democratic principles. >> For example, what what democratic principle is he undermining? What's the main democratic principle is open like we're doing here free discourse. And whenever you start bringing these punitive lawsuits and then hurt them with your government power to force them into settlements. >> Okay, that's one example. One example of many different things >> when he's saying he wants protesters who shouted at him in a restaurant to be having RICO cases brought against them, criminal cases for shouting, that's not American. That's not in the interest of a democratic discourse and I think we agree on that. >> Yeah. Again, I'm not promoting everything he does. I'm just saying your point, your claim was he's a threat against a genuine democracy. And I do think whenever he was illegally trying to stay in power like with the fraudulent slate of electors that's trying to it's fine for him to bring court cases like he did but then after those failed he stepped outside of our legal process and kept trying to prevent like getting Pence to reject the circ insane. >> Pause. Pause. You've been voted out by the majority. Please return. >> Good job Luke. Thank you. Have a good >> Hi. Hello. My name is Shiva. >> Hi Shiva. >> And it's Luke. Right. >> Yes. >> Which I love that it's biblical. It's beautiful name. Beautiful man. >> Well, you're beautiful. >> Oh, thank you. >> Um, my argument is that number one, we are not a democracy. I know that you guys say a democratic republic. >> First off, we're a constitutional republic. I mean, when we do Well, well, you do the pledge of allegiance. What does it say? >> And to republic and to the >> the republic what is republic wait. What is a republic? It's a a balanced of power. So of the three branches, >> who places people into power? >> Well, the people do, but we don't even represent the electoral college vote. >> We don't even go by the popular vote. But >> well, then he's a threat for a republic. But by the way, Republic is a repres. This is the first lie. So there's even a lie in the question. And that's why it's hard for me to argue a lie in the >> Google after this is over and what you're saying is incorrect because we live in a democratic system and that system is a representation. >> Well, it's not even democratic when you've got all these liberal states that don't allow us to present an ID to vote. The Camala Harris won >> Kamala. You have to know the pronunciation. >> I'll say what I'll call her what I want to call her. Okay. Um, she only won in states where there's no voter ID laws. How is it a democracy when you didn't even get to pick your presidential candidate? How is that a democracy? >> We did. There were primaries. >> No, there wasn't. No, they installed her. >> The parties are an organization. The parties are an organization and then they can choose their candidate. I disagree. I would love to make sure every single Democratic primary is very very democratic, but I would love to focus cuz that's a whole other interesting topic. You said your point. Do you have a defense of I guess you're saying you don't do you not care because you don't think we live in a democracy. That would be strange to me. >> No, we're in a constitutional republic because it's not the 51% that tells a 49% what to do. That's mob rule. >> Go Google later. If the mob wants to kill this person, innocent person, they would die. That's an absolute democracy. You're right. We don't live in an absolute democracy, but we have a representative republic uh governed by the constitution, which is a democratic system. But whatever, >> we're not even equal branches of government either. That's another >> whatever you feel. Are you okay with what I've been bringing up before him ignoring due process? >> No, he's not. Okay. I have four friends that were locked up. >> Let me finish. So, the four friends now, one of them >> Yeah, I'm not going through that. Let me just let me finish with someone who violently assaulted a police officer was breaking the window of the capital and that was an Antifa member. You can even hear the crowd saying Antifa. Antifa. Did the fake media show that? No. My friend was the one Ed reached up and pulled the guy out out of the capital. And guess which one went to jail? >> Let's say they're Antifa. Then why did Trump No, they didn't pardon pardon Antifa. They >> Who were the people violently assaulting police officers then? >> No. There was one guy. There was one guy that got a taser and I was not okay with that. >> What about beating people with flag poles? What about stomping on someone a police officer's head? >> Oh, I didn't never saw that. Oh, really? Uh, Dempsey, David Nicholas Dempsey. >> I don't know about that. I never saw it. So, I never saw that. I saw people that died that day and there were patriots and no media said that that was true. >> It is not in the interest of democracy for violence to be how we go about the reason I'm opposed to people trying to assassinate Trump, the guy who assassinated is against our peaceful democratic process. So is giving a reward to people, honoring people in a sense by pardoning them specifically. Then we can move on to the other people. >> Get due process. They were locked up. They didn't get to No, I'm not going to go by the fake media that has lied to us over and over. >> What about the video of someone boom boom boom onto a police officer's head? >> And I don't know who that was, but it probably was an Antifa member because those people admitted that they were paid to do that. Okay. I know. You know what? I ran I ran a rally in Beverly Hills and I had a detective that was uh watching over me. He gave me a picture of Antiva saying that they're going to look like us. And you know what? I posted it on Facebook and they said it was misinformation when I got it directly from the Beverly Hills Police. Just focus. >> No. No. You don't tell me what to do. See, you people like you like to control people like me. >> Oh my gosh. >> You've been voted out by the majority. Please return to your seat. >> Nice meeting you. What you doing on Mark Brown? >> Mark, it's a nice voice. >> Yeah, it's uh useful. Maybe it'll be useful today. Yeah. >> In this kind debate where we respect each other and everything. You know what I mean? >> Yes. Anyway, uh my point about, you know, Trump being a threat to to to the democracy is that, you know, when when Trump lost the election, even though he thought that there was voter fraud and had what he considered evidence of voter fraud and tampering and all that, he still left office. >> He left the office and when he left the office, his own his own actions demonstrate that he will not defy the election results. So he did willingly leave office. An insurrection is when you go to overthrow an elected official in office such as a president like when they overthrow people in other countries, you know, to get rid of dictators. You agree, right? >> Uh do you know what the fake elector scheme was? >> Yeah, I know of it. Yeah. So after he lost his court cases, then he tried to get people who weren't the lawful elected uh electors to fraudulently claim themselves to be so that Mike Pence could pretend those were the real ones and then he could stay in power. It is true that he ultimately left office. >> People were talking about is Secret Service going to have to rip him out? Is the military going to have to? We can't say just because someone fails at something, it's not bad that they tried it. Well, I mean, I could say this, like right now, he's a democ he's a he's a legally democratic elected president right now. And I promise you, when his term is up, no matter what, >> and someone else wins, he's going to willingly leave that office. Now, people say that he started an insurrection. An insurrection is not what happened that day. It was it was a protest against what everyone felt was voter fraud >> and then it got and then the left throws this rhetoric out that he's an insurrectionist. And it's not even the definition. actually didn't use that word here, but no one's answered the question. He just recently said, and I'm going to bring it back up, and I hope that if Biden or Kamla said this, you would find it outrageous. People were screaming at him in a DC restaurant and he was sitting in the Oval Office reflecting on it, and he said, "I've asked Pam Bondi to bring RICO cases against people like that. People who are peacefully protesting, shouting in the vicinity of the president." >> Well, you No, look, I agree. Look, I'm a guy that just did 23 years in a penitentiary. I just got out. I did 11 years in isolation, so I know what it's like to be on that side of the law. But what I'm saying is when people are at a restaurant, and this is the United States, we're supposed to be civil. We're supposed to be we're supposed to have a moral compass. Do you think it's right that people are allowed? Do you No. Do you think it's right that people can stand in a restaurant, a public place, and scream and yell? Yes. >> That that really you don't know what disturbing the restaurant owners by definition would have the right to remove them. The attorney general doesn't have the right to lock them up because they raised their voice. >> No, for sure. No, for sure. I'm gonna agree. Sometime sometimes he will go off course. >> We're out of time. >> That was going well. >> Yeah, it was cool. >> All right. Nice to meet you. >> My next claim is Trump supporters are not patriotic. >> She's back. >> Let's have a conversation. >> Okay. >> Let's not talk over I willing to listen to you if you're willing to listen to me. Deal. >> Deal. Maybe. Okay. So, um you say that Trump supporters are not patriotic. Yeah. >> You're 23 years old. Did you ever consider joining the military? >> No. Both my brothers do, but I agree. There are people who do very patriotic things, but the ideology itself, maybe better said, is not a patriotic ideology. >> How did you come to that conclusion? >> Well, it's actually what we've been talking about a lot, which is that I think undermining our democratic or our republic values. I think that attacking our democratic institutions, attacking free speech, none of that's patriotic. I think covering up the Epstein files is not patriotic. >> Okay, so let's go there. You brought up the Epstein files. Who's Les Wexner? >> Tell me. >> Well, it seems that I've been looking into the Epstein files for about seven years. You were probably about 14 years old. Yet, you guys don't know anything about the case. >> I have no interest in connecting it to anybody. I'm saying >> only Trump >> that No, no, Trump's the president and Trump is currently being asked by even people like Marjorie Taylor Green to be transparent, release everything. I let's let's let's both say nothing's bad about that. >> No, I've been trying to get them released for seven years. >> Credit to you. So then do you agree that to me it's not American patriotism for him to push back against that for so long? >> Well, I think the thing is is he knew that the Democrats were going to try to turn this and make it about him. Let you said you'd let me talk. So let let's do this. the defense attorney into Virginia Guay who basically said that Donald Trump was the only one that helped with the case. Suddenly you guys want to use it as a talking you don't know anything else. You made your point. Now let me make mine. >> Okay. >> Let's assume everything you're saying is absolutely correct. >> Great. >> Why won't he release him? Then he then silences you. An Obama judge has blocked a lot of the >> No. No. No. See, do you know about the case? That's the grand jury documents. Nothing is new in the grand jury documents. You know, can you agree that there is definitely people that were very powerful in institutions that did not want to be exposed that did very evil thing with children. Now the thing is is a lot of this evidence and I hate to say it is destroyed. >> I hate to say it. There were cameras and film and video in every single single one of these rooms. >> We're on the same page. >> Can we agree? It's a little weird. No, it's not a little sassy. No, it's not. He's calling up He's calling up the White House is calling up Republicans and saying this is a hostile act if you sign on to the discharge position position. >> No, it's not. He said release everything >> out loud. But then he's calling people saying it's Marjorie Green. Marjorie Green is lying about Trump. >> I haven't seen him say that. I I I've not seen discharge papers, so I can't speak. But what I can say that I will agree with you on I don't like that he's calling it a hoax. >> I will agree with you on that. Now with uh President You've been voted out by the majority. >> I think we did better. >> We did do better. But we did better. >> Wait, let's talk. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Can't believe I got to meet Harry Sis. Goddamn pleasure. >> He's a good buddy of mine. Well, >> you're much more likable than Harry Siss, let me tell you that. >> Stop it. >> You are. You're charming. >> Oh, stop. I like your bandana. >> Oh, thank you. I had to wear it during the lockdown because uh Biden was so patriotic he shut down the country. >> Who was president in 2020? >> I believe Donald Trump was. I remember the stuff goes. And uh he used Operation Warp Speed. And let me point something out. >> I'm not going to sit here and cite facts because I spend a lot of the day drinking. But what I'm going to say >> is that in 2020, Trump was president, correct? And he rushed the vaccine to the market. Uh the vaccine and then we'll get to Epstein. And I know it was >> We don't have to go there. I just want to talk about >> I didn't have to go there either. What an island. But what I'm saying is >> thanks for getting Thank you. Thank you. You're doing great yourself. In 2020, a lot of people get confused that Trump >> rushed the vaccine to the market to try and save the left from stealing the election. And we won't get into that. And he said, "Here's the vaccine." And because false, he didn't rush it to the market. >> Election wasn't stolen. Okay. >> Oh, okay. In 2020, okay, he rushed it to the market. He said, "Here's the vaccine." >> What are you talking about? He rushed the Okay, we're getting to this, right? >> That was good. >> Rush the vaccine to the market. >> Yeah. Awesome. >> Did he mandate it? >> No. >> Very good. >> No, he did not ish. He said, "Here's the vaccine." Because he's so patriotic. We're getting to that. He said, "You are free to get the vaccine or you're free to not get the vaccine, but let's open up the effing country. I'm not going to say in front of these kids. >> Thank you." So once the country got opened up, then Biden came in cuz he's so patriotic. He said, "You get this vaccine or you lose your job." Okay. Now that didn't happen. >> What didn't h Please tell me what did not happen. >> That didn't happen. >> What didn't happen? >> Yeah, he would. There were restrictions on the federal level. None of them were like vaccine or jail. None of them were job or jail. It was either testing. Did >> you just say none of them? I couldn't believe. >> Hey, n the ones you're talking about had exceptions where you could do testing at a certain frequency. >> Testing >> or vacation. >> PR testing. Who invented that? Don't ask him. He's dead. I wonder why are you out of your mid brain? Now, now I feel like I've let you go on completely unrelated to what I was saying and you misstated even what a mandate was. That's okay. I just explain it to you. There were two options, but you don't understand. That's fine. Let's get back to the core of the matter. I just said you could either with the job requirements you're talking about. There would be testing options as well if people weren't getting the vaccines. If individual employers, it's just true. It's just true. Are you listening to that? >> If individual employers, >> did do you read the papers all the people that are getting their jobs back and back? being forced out of their federal government workers. Yes, the federal government has a right to say you have to get certain vaccines. The military's done that all the time with a bunch of vaccines, for example, and that's perfectly >> the nurses that are winning against places are getting great. Let me go on so we don't do a whole vaccine debate cuz I know you're a little off the rails on that, but >> that's what daddy do. >> Good. Um, I do want to ask, you've heard a lot of the debates we've had which has built my argument about the lack of patriotism in supporting Trump and that is not accepting election results. that is going after media companies that doesn't like election results. Going after media companies that election results he left office >> ignoring corporations. >> Let me ask you something about January 6, the insurrection. Let's say that I'm Donald Trump. Okay, let's say that you're Joe Biden. Okay, and let's say that uh people think you stole the election. Let's say you did hypothetically. >> Okay, let's say you stole the election and we go to that January 6th thing and I think it's stolen. Don't I want that process to go through? Don't I want that to go through so we can validate the election? If it's stolen, who wants to stop it? The people that stole it and then I'll add one more thing and I will yield my time to the floor. >> Okay. >> Okay. Then if it's an insurrection, how come the only gun we saw was the guy that blew away Ashley Babbot? >> There were guns. >> Cuz we can bring guns because in a patriotic country, you have the Second Amendment. I can't look into your beautiful eyes. That's why I keep looking away. Go. >> Okay. So, a lot of that was just gibberish. I apologize. But there were guns actually in the crowd. But it's okay. You don't believe that. That's fine. And you keep throwing around insurrection. Insurrection. It's not true that the process going forward required people to storm the capital. The process storm. They were allowed in the >> How did they get through the two-ton return door? >> You're not listening. What Trump was trying to do was to get Mike Pence to not certify the lawful election results. We're going to keep going through this. None of y'all can defend that cuz none of you would want to admit that a Democrat would have that power. Let's focus on that and see if you can defend it. Do you think if Kla Harris after they lost the election would have the power to reject the lawful certification of the electors like Trump wanted Pins to do which was why people said didn't they do that in 2016 as well? They're always >> they didn't they literally didn't. Joe Biden certified as vice President Trump's victory. >> Right. >> Right. Okay. >> Okay. Mike Pence was being pressured by Trump which is why people stormed the capital. Trump was posting out oh Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what he had to do which was reject the certification of the electors. He didn't get the chance to anyway because the FBI who may or may not have been there because the FBI didn't confirm it. >> Hey, you're not hearing me. >> What? >> Do you agree? I'm sorry. >> That Kla Harris would not have had the power to reject the lawful certification of the election that that's a ceremonial role whenever Trump won. >> Yes. I agree with that wholeheartedly because it doesn't matter. No one does it. >> Then what? >> Trump tried to get Pence to do it. That's why people were screaming, "Hang Mike Pence." >> Yes. And Mike Pence didn't do it because they interfered with the uh process. And I think that was the FBI. >> I'll say it again. Mike Pence, even if he wanted to do it and he didn't. And that's why the second time in office where Trump is in the second time, cuz he left peacefully the first time, he knew who his enemies were. And that's why Pence is not back. And that's why Vance is back. And one more thing, Vance was going to run with Charlie Kirk. Rest in peace. But they assassinated him, >> which was terrible. >> Because the left is the party of violence and hatred. >> We're talking about January. >> I know, but I get carried away. You just justified. You just did >> what? >> What Trump wanted Pence to do. You said I guess there was a Fed's direction to prevent Pence from rejecting. >> I didn't say it definitely was. I said it doesn't matter. >> But Pence, it does matter. >> It doesn't matter. >> This is the epitome of a lack of patriotism is to not accept the free and fair election result. That's my whole point. >> It went through anyway. You could say all you want. >> But whether you're saying he wanted Pence to do it, which he never got the chance to because the Feds I like that I'm stealing that bit. Oh, that's gone. prevented it. So, we can sit there and say, "Well, Trump was definitely going to do it." And yet, here Trump is back. Here, Trump's back in all. >> It's just like It's like you're verbally barfing all over me. >> That cost extra. >> Disgusting. >> Okay, pause. >> You've been voted out. [Applause] >> He's back. He's back. And you never left. That's cool. >> I know. >> Um, so you agree. You agree with everything I said. Rejecting life results bad. Attacking free speech bad. Not releasing MC files bad. Not patriotic. Cool. Good. >> You enjoy framing the argument in terms that you know you've practiced and you can win. I'm here to submit something else. The Thomas Jefferson said, "The tree of liberty must from time to time be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." That doesn't sound very peaceful. You just got on to me for interrupting you. >> My point is what we've got going on here, this democratic >> this democratic experiment, >> I don't want blood of anybody >> is messy. And it's supposed to be because you got strong, you got intelligent, strong willed people who are capable of formulating their own opinions. And sometimes that means that you talk over people. Sometimes that means that conservatives have to endure the slings and arrows of outrageous leftists >> because, >> okay, >> it's messy and it's supposed to. >> And sometimes a Democratic former speaker of the House of Minnesota gets murdered by a Trump supporter, right? It's terrible. Terrible. >> Awful. >> Sometimes people violently attack police officers to try to prevent the peaceful transpower. Awful. >> Awful. >> January 6th. Awful. And sometimes people lay on sometimes people lay on their bellies from two or 30 hundred yards away so they can get a shot at the president or Charlie. >> Awful. >> Awful. >> Awful. >> And sometimes people And sometimes people get on YouTube and dance about it. >> Awful. >> Awful. >> Mhm. See, I'm I'm principled. I actually don't like violence, but y'all seem to justify violence a lot. >> How? I've just had like 12 conversations with people like, "Well, sh Well, maybe assaulted police officer. Well, maybe it wasn't that person and maybe it was actually Antifa and maybe it was actually >> I don't recall anybody over here putting their hands up on their heads and saying >> the words they're justifying it by not just saying just like murdering Melissa Hortman, just like murdering Charlie Kirk, just like trying to murder Donald Trump, acts of political violence to further a political goal is bad and I'm against it across the board. You, many of you are not when you justify what happened on January 6th. >> Forgive a sports analogy. Imagine a football field. Most of America's on the 50 yard line. Republicans on the right 40 yard line. Democrats on the left 40 yard line. Personally, over my life, I'm 67. During my lifetime, I've gotten dragged back to maybe the 30, 35 yard line. >> Leftists have run away with the Democratic party. You guys are in the end zone on your way out of the stadium. >> I had a really good snow cone the other day. >> That was as relevant as what you just said. >> It illustrates everything. Why are you justifying January 6th? That doesn't >> I'm not justifying January 6. >> Cool. Well, then that's not patriotic. >> Yes, it is. January because people on the right are closer to the middle. >> In order for people who are still in the middle to come over to me, they don't have to sacrifice their core values. >> You don't have to sacrifice anything. >> In order for people to go to the left, >> there's nothing >> that requires a total mind wipe. Who's going to submit to that? >> Especially when they can tell their minds are being wiped. Why wouldn't people want to peacefully participate in policym that implements solutions for working-class Americans, invests in infrastructure, invests in increasing wages, expands our healthare system. Those are my principles >> because it's up to individual thought. It's a quaint custom. It's called independent thought. >> You're not even you're just saying random things. >> And what I'm saying is that people agree with me. >> My mom's a really nice person. >> I agree. I don't even know. >> Why are we saying random stuff? >> A good guy. I'll tell you why. >> Pause. You've been voted out. [Applause] >> Hello. >> Hello. >> Okay. I disagree with your statement >> and I don't want to talk about January 6th. I mean, we can go there if you want later, >> but this idea that Trump supporters are not patriotic and we can talk about the ide ideology. Yeah. Trump's first term, he ran on closing the border, >> okay? >> Building the wall, okay, >> to protect our country. The tariffs that he's putting in now to protect our country, to protect workers, to protect why >> other countries are charging us tariffs. We're not charging them tariffs. Yeah, >> he's putting in the policies that he Now we are. Now we're charging them after a lot of the countries we're tariffing don't have trade barriers on us, but okay. Keep going. >> They do have trade barriers. A lot of them don't, but okay. Keep going. >> Free speech, censorship. >> You talk about the media, him blasting the media. When when was the first he was the first one to get suspended off of Twitter at the time? >> That was a private company. Different. The government explicitly threatening to remove the licenses of networks they don't like to force them into broadcast changes is explicit censorship. >> I do not believe that to be true. private companies going, "Whoa, he incited January 6th. We're going to ban him." Is a very You can >> It was before January if they took him off. And now we know that it was the White House that was >> It wasn't >> that was telling Twitter what to do. >> So So you agree? >> It was the CIA was totally in on all the all the media. It is true. You're giving information more and your information is wrong. I'm listening to you. What planet are you living on? What country and where are you getting your news? Oh, I know. YouTube. You're listening to Sison. You're listening to your echo chamber. >> My only source of information. Terry Sison. That's true. >> That's there. That's the problem. >> Okay, >> that's it. We find we got the answer. >> Uh, but let's assume your premise, even though it is wrong, but but we apparently have a big disagreement on that. Let's assume that Biden did things you didn't like when it comes to free speech. Why would that justify Trump then trying to censor his critics? >> What is he censoring his critics? >> I just explained to you FCC they want to have a huge merger with ABC. It's the largest merger in the history of >> and they're making incumbent on that changes who want one person that owns the entire network so that that person can tell every Do you hear what you're justifying? >> They are trying to make sure that it's not one person that owns every single piece of media because guess what happens when that happens? >> You you were Yes. Exactly. >> So he doesn't want a monopoly. He's actually making a requirement ABC making changes that Trump wants and then he's going to approve that merger. Are you sure explicitly said >> that he was open to raising that cap like a monopoly prevention? >> And then he went I'm really upset though now with ABC for what Kimmel said and then >> okay so when it's funny that's fine when the government didn't force that. And then let me give you another example. >> How do you know with CBS? >> How do you know? >> Cuz he wasn't out there screaming it in public on Benny Johnson's show. >> Okay, pause. You've been voted out by the majority. [Applause] >> Hello. >> Hi, I'm Rose. What's your name again? Luke. >> Luke. >> Nice to meet you. >> What? My name is Luke, everybody. >> Nice to meet you. >> Um, nice to meet you. So, >> oh, wait. >> Well, yeah. Let me start. Go for it. >> How do you define patriotism? I think it's loving what our constitution stands for, loving what our democratic principles should stand for, being opposed to authoritarian regimes abroad, not trying to cozy up to them or apologizing for them like what Trump does with Putin. >> Okay. And that's it for patriotism, right? Your ideology. Okay. So, my ideology is patriotism is about all of us coming together and stopping this constant discourse. Everybody's getting angry over just left and right >> part of America is the argument. That's that's beautiful. >> But it but there's no agreement. We should be working together. I think the thing I was watching something and there is an organization that wants us divided. They make a lot of money off of it. It's called >> SC. Oh yeah. >> So in order for the Americans to get back together, we have to stop all of this basic nonsense and noise. So like let me give you an example. I don't take every word that Biden or Kamla says as truth. Whereas it seems like based on a lot of things y'all bring to this table, if Trump says I brought 17 trillion dollars or if Trump says the election was stolen or if Trump says it's okay to pardon the January 6ers, y'all just take it. You just totally believe it. And that makes it hard for us to come to some understanding because we're not debating over facts, but just what you heard from Trump. And I don't think believing him over the truth is very patriotic either. >> So, let me give you this. I used to be on your side. Okay. I was No, no thanks. I couldn't believe what I've seen under the Biden administration. >> Like, what? >> I don't believe castrating children. >> I don't believe cutting off their breasts. >> I don't believe in pronouns. I don't believe in that kind of cult ideology. You're turning. Let me finish. >> So, what Trump is doing now What Trump is doing now is trying to get us back to the America that we were proud of. >> Yeah. So I don't see >> not this ideology that has nowhere. >> So you were talking about the scops. You know what it's a scop? Yeah. >> Is getting you this fixated on what is impacting an insy wincy tiny population and >> which what do you mean? >> Try to name what Biden mean by in >> you were talking about the trans issue and pronouns. Biden what did Biden do on that subject? >> I don't know. Oh, what did he do? >> He did, right? He did nothing. >> Have you ever heard Biden ever be like, "Listen, folks, castrate your children." No. >> No. But Kamla did. >> And Kamla didn't either. She never did. He did. >> But I would like to to point out to you, you're right now supporting a guy who has literally just signed into the law the greatest, which I don't see this as patriotic either, redistribution of wealth from the bottom to the top. It's like reverse Robin Hood. And while it is you, I mean, look it up afterwards. While he's doing that, you can see just since people are murmuring, you can look at the independent analyses that show you how much wealth is gained by the top and how much is lost by the bottom. And while he's taking away our wealth, our well-being, making us pay more in tariffs, he promised to lower grocery prices on day one. Such an oldfashioned word, groceries, he would say. And he didn't. They're going up. Energy's going up. All these things are happening. But guess what? He gets you to focus on. >> And how long has he been in office? >> 3.5 How long has he been? 3.5 trans people in East Maine. >> How long has he been? >> That's the scop. How long has he been? >> We're out of time. >> Damn it. [Applause] >> My final claim is Kla Harris would have been a much better president than Donald Trump. >> Hi. >> Hello. >> What you think? >> What's your claim again? I'm >> Keris would have been a better president. >> So, >> she wouldn't have done that bill I keep talking about. >> Hold on. Hold on. Yeah. There we go. So >> wouldn't have done the crazy tariffs making us pay more. She was a part of the Biden administration that saw a really strong economy recovering from the pandemic and she would have been just kind of a mainstream not great to me but middle of the road and that's much better than Trump. >> Okay. So we're we're going back to all of the stuff we talked about earlier. >> Exactly. >> So tariffs. >> Mhm. >> She wouldn't have done the tariffs. I I I I agree with you in the sense that tariffs Yes. The the importer pays. >> Yep. >> So that's that that's no doubt, right? But you have to ask yourself why is it that before Trump came along that virtually every single country in literally the world right for decades on end have had tariffs on the United States. So there's that's not true true necessarily. Number one, I already gave the example of Brazil. We have a trade surplus with so that it doesn't make much sense to be tariffing them whenever we actually they buy more than we buy from them. But the problem is we have the like we have the largest economy. We are the wealthiest nation. And so there's a lot of other economies that are still very manufacturing based. And so it's beneficial for us to get cheaper stuff from them. And we have more buying power. So yeah, we're going to have a trade surplus with them, but it doesn't mean anyone's being ripped off. And just the characteristics of different economies require them to protect certain industries. We protect certain industries. But pretending like we're going to isolate from the world, which is what slapping tariffs on everyone in every industry does is economically illiterate because we have built our economic might off of global trade. If you look at the skyrocketing of USGP, it's been tied to us having global trade in the way that we have. >> So, so now that we're saying, okay, there are certain industries that we need to protect, you're absolutely in favor for tariffs for those, right? Biden kept some of the tariffs that that come in. >> Likewise, we're falling behind on certain other industries where we produce a lot of goods, >> right? >> So why would it not make sense for us to put tariffs on? >> He's not doing targeted tariffs. He's doing them b