Officer Tatum Defends Erika Kirk and Turning Point USA Against Conspiracy Theories Following Charlie Kirk Assassination

[00:01] What was that?

[00:05] >> I just remember I got up and I ran and I

[00:09] called my mom and I said, "Mom, Charlie

[00:12] Kirk's been shot and she goes, "What?"

[00:14] And I said, "He's been shot." I

[00:16] literally watched a bullet enter his

[00:17] neck and I watched him die in front of

[00:19] me.

[00:19] >> They out there tableabling in the middle

[00:21] of a storm trying to give hope to people

[00:23] on campus and they get spit on and

[00:25] thrown at. The teachers want to kick him

[00:27] out of school, but some PEOPLE ARE SO

[00:29] GOD dog selfish that they ain't thinking

[00:31] about them not one time. Not none of

[00:33] these kids. I'm so close. I'm so close

[00:37] to going all in.

[00:40] If you think about buying something for

[00:42] Charlie, only go to Turning Point USA,

[00:44] Charlie Kirk's site if they got one for

[00:46] him, Officer Tatum. And and if you do go

[00:49] somewhere to buy anything Charlie Kirk

[00:51] related, make sure that they're giving

[00:53] back to to Charlie's family or they

[00:55] giving to Turning Point USA. Do not go

[00:58] and buy stuff. I don't care how

[00:59] convenient it may be. Don't go and buy

[01:02] anything supporting Charlie with his

[01:05] name and stuff on it if it ain't going

[01:07] to Turning Point USA or his family.

[01:10] Everything that we do with Charlie on

[01:12] it, 100% of profits are going directly

[01:15] to his wife. and I'm going to write her

[01:17] a check and she can tell me where she

[01:19] want the check to go. I don't care. It's

[01:20] up to her. But if you want to get some

[01:22] of the merch right now, it's in

[01:23] pre-order. We're literally down there

[01:25] printing it right now. And if you want

[01:27] some of it, get it now. We have allowed

[01:29] it to go all out, but we we we we're

[01:31] going to have to make some cut offs here

[01:33] and sell them out. So, go and get it

[01:35] now. Go and buy. Great merch, great

[01:37] quality, and it's going to the Kirk

[01:40] family. But we're going to play one of

[01:42] the witnesses. It was a TPUSA witness

[01:44] and it was also uh the guy who was

[01:46] asking the last question before Charlie

[01:48] got shot. They were interviewed on 60

[01:50] Minutes. And we'll play that that video.

[01:53] We wanted to sit down with a couple of

[01:56] students who were there at the event

[01:59] where Charlie Kirk was assassinated. And

[02:01] so we met Hunter Kak and Jeb Jacobe.

[02:07] >> Jeb was a volunteer at the event. He was

[02:10] part of TurningPoint USA.

[02:13] >> He meant an inspiration to me. I watched

[02:16] his campus debates where he was able to

[02:19] communicate with other individuals in a

[02:22] pretty professional way when it came to

[02:24] debates about pretty much anything and I

[02:27] just found that admirable. Yeah. Hey,

[02:30] Charlie.

[02:31] >> Hunter Kak, who would identify himself

[02:34] as a liberal, was there to debate

[02:38] Charlie Kirk and tragically was the

[02:41] person who was speaking with Kirk at the

[02:43] very moment that the shot was fired.

[02:46] >> Hopefully, we're going to have a little

[02:47] bit more disagreement.

[02:48] >> Yours was the last question that Charlie

[02:51] Kirk ever heard.

[02:52] >> Yeah, I don't there's a strange amount

[02:55] of weight to that. I don't really know

[02:57] how to grapple with that. I mean, he's

[02:59] answered tens of thousands of questions

[03:00] and mine just that was the first

[03:02] question I've ever asked him. We never

[03:05] talked before that.

[03:06] >> There's video of you in that moment.

[03:08] What was that moment like?

[03:10] >> I thought I heard a firecracker and um

[03:15] um I see his uh

[03:20] um I see the bullet hit his neck and um

[03:25] uh I fall to the ground. I I think I

[03:27] recognized immediately what this was.

[03:30] This wasn't necessarily like a mass

[03:32] shooting. This was like an

[03:32] assassination.

[03:35] >> What was that?

[03:39] >> I just remember I got up and I ran and I

[03:43] called my mom and I said, "Mom, Charlie

[03:45] Kirk's been shot." And she goes, "What?"

[03:48] And I said, "He's been shot." I

[03:49] literally watched a bullet enter his

[03:51] neck and I watched him die in front of

[03:53] me.

[03:55] Jed, this event pushes Democrats and

[03:58] Republicans farther apart or brings them

[04:00] closer together in your view.

[04:03] >> I think the moderate um Democrats and

[04:07] Republicans, I think it brings them

[04:09] together. I think there are individuals

[04:12] on both the left and the right um some

[04:15] of the more radical that it pushes them

[04:17] apart. And I think it's communication

[04:21] that is the most important element that

[04:24] comes together. And I think that there

[04:26] needs to be effective communication

[04:27] between both parties in order to find

[04:30] solid ground on this issue. I think that

[04:32] that's one of the few things that we can

[04:34] agree on is this necessity for a

[04:37] conversation. I think that we need to

[04:39] remember that we we still have to live

[04:41] with each other, that these are still

[04:42] our neighbors, that this is still my

[04:44] community. And when I walked to campus,

[04:46] sure that event was 99% Republicans.

[04:49] Everyone in that crowd disagreed with

[04:52] everything that I had, but that was

[04:53] still my school. You both witnessed what

[04:57] happened.

[04:58] Your message to the country is what

[05:02] >> I could I could run down the list of all

[05:04] the disagreements that I had with

[05:05] Charlie Kirk. I could say that his

[05:08] policy proposals brought harm to this

[05:11] this country, but I think he would

[05:12] probably say the same thing to me. But I

[05:15] do think that part of living in a

[05:17] society is not resorting to violence.

[05:19] This shooter

[05:22] is one in 400 million Americans and he

[05:25] doesn't speak for us.

[05:26] I think it's that we need to remember

[05:28] that we're still human. And it's

[05:32] genuinely like if you get faced with a

[05:36] situation where you have a disagreement

[05:38] with someone, I think it's about taking

[05:41] into consideration how their day is

[05:43] going and saying, you know, I don't know

[05:45] necessarily what you're going through,

[05:48] but I'm here for you and I understand

[05:52] and I just want the best for you

[05:54] regardless if we disagree. And your

[05:57] advice to our politicians having seen

[05:59] what you've seen?

[06:01] >> My advice would be more towards the

[06:04] voters who vote for those politicians to

[06:07] look at

[06:09] what you are enabling with your vote and

[06:12] recognize that you have a lot more

[06:14] control over the situation together as a

[06:17] community than you might think.

[06:18] >> Now, I'm going to say this in light of

[06:21] all the stuff that you guys know has

[06:22] been going on online. Can I just be very

[06:24] clear about this? Attacking Erica Kirk

[06:27] is evil. Attacking Turning Point USA, in

[06:30] my opinion, in a time such as this is

[06:32] evil. I think it's evil. You know, this

[06:35] is the part that bothers me about

[06:36] conspiratorial conversations and people

[06:39] who are out here just utilizing their

[06:43] platform to to get clicks and to push

[06:46] hatred hatred and division. Let me just

[06:48] say this. If you got if you a person out

[06:50] here online claiming that you got

[06:52] evidence of something, put all your

[06:54] evidence out on the first day you talk

[06:55] about it. Why is it looks weird to me

[06:58] when when it's a drip drip drip drip

[07:00] drip drip? Put all your stuff on the

[07:02] plate. If there's something that people

[07:03] done nefariously and there's video

[07:05] evidence and there's receipts, put it

[07:07] out there on the plate right now. It

[07:09] don't need to be wait until the next

[07:10] episodes. You don't need to wait till

[07:12] your next YouTube upload, your next

[07:14] article you write. put your stuff out

[07:16] there because this is supposed to be

[07:18] information for the people. And I just

[07:20] think it's shameful when I see people

[07:22] talking about Erica Kirk. THEY WANT HER

[07:24] TO BE THEY WANT HER TO BE A A woe is me

[07:26] wife. They wanted her to be a woman up

[07:28] there crying all day. She can't get

[07:29] nothing done. WELL, CHARLIE, I'M GLAD HE

[07:31] DIDN'T MARRY A WOMAN LIKE THAT. HE

[07:33] MARRIED A WOMAN ALL DID LIKE THIS ALL

[07:35] DAY. She's stuck. She can't do nothing.

[07:37] Ain't no man want a woman like that.

[07:39] WHEN I DIE, MY WIFE CRY HOME, but stuff

[07:42] got to get done. Now, my wife ain't

[07:44] gonna start working when I die. But she

[07:46] she definitely ain't I don't want to

[07:48] sitting around crying all day long. I'm

[07:50] gone. Crying ain't gonna bring me back.

[07:53] But what will make me happy and and a

[07:55] way to honor me in my death is to

[07:57] continue MY LEGACY, TO SHOW up every day

[08:00] with your best face, your best attitude,

[08:02] and your best glorification of God. And

[08:04] when you go home, you can cry. BUT WHEN

[08:06] YOU GOT TO GET ON THE PODCAST AND you

[08:08] got to stand before the American people

[08:10] to honor your husband, you can pull it

[08:11] together enough to do that. Why y'all

[08:13] going after Erica? Man, it's sickening

[08:16] to me. And I'll say this and I'm gonna

[08:18] get to the clip. I promise. My heart

[08:20] goes out to Andrew, the video team, the

[08:24] security team. I'm still hurting for

[08:26] them. I talked to Andrew on the phone.

[08:28] He choked up talking about Charlie. They

[08:30] still hurting over this. They're still

[08:32] hurting. Nick was choking up over here

[08:34] when when he heard Andrew choking up.

[08:37] Why? What? What is the purpose of

[08:40] people? And I'm not talking about the

[08:41] naysay cuz y'all most of y'all stupid

[08:43] anyway. Believing all these stupid

[08:45] conspiracy theories. You're just stupid.

[08:48] That's what it is. It's not questioning.

[08:49] You believe a conspiracy theory with no

[08:51] evidence. Just just dumb. I'm not

[08:53] shocked cuz half America's stupid voting

[08:55] for Camala Harris. Anyway, enough of

[08:58] that. Don't you Aren't you hurting for

[09:00] them? Don't you realize that the video

[09:03] team is with Charlie every single day?

[09:05] He travel sometime. They there 100

[09:07] times. They put on sass. They do all

[09:09] this stuff and they watched him get

[09:11] murdered in front of them. Don't you

[09:13] know that they're hurting? Why add fuel

[09:16] to the pain? His pastor who married him

[09:20] and Erica, you just you think he just

[09:22] don't care? You think he just never

[09:23] loved Charlie? People that don't know

[09:25] him is crying, sad, and broken,

[09:28] heaviness in their chest, and they never

[09:30] met Charlie and knew him at all. Imagine

[09:32] the people that were with him every day.

[09:34] Imagine an organization that's just

[09:36] trying to move forward because that's

[09:38] what Charlie would want them to do. Why

[09:40] hurt people? I got text messages from

[09:42] Charlie. I'm not gonna put his text

[09:44] message online for for what you for you

[09:46] to share it and like it. That was a

[09:49] conversation BETWEEN ME AND HIM AND HE'S

[09:50] DEAD. HE CAN'T GIVE ME permission to put

[09:52] his messages out there. He and I and

[09:55] listen, God dog it. I know Charlie.

[09:58] Charlie was a private person. Charlie

[10:01] never put his business out in the

[10:02] street. Charlie didn't didn't address

[10:04] issues. He didn't address controversies.

[10:06] CHARLIE DID ALL HIS stuff in private. I

[10:09] would never put his messages online and

[10:12] tell you what he told me in private. If

[10:14] he wanted you to know, he'd have told

[10:15] you. ALL THIS RIFF RAFF ABOUT WHO

[10:18] Charlie was trying to be and what he was

[10:20] doing and where he was going AND ALL

[10:21] THAT. HE DEAD. WHAT DOES IT MATTER? WHAT

[10:24] DOES IT MATTER? IF he hated THE JEWS, SO

[10:27] WHAT? HE AIN'T COMING BACK. HE CAN'T

[10:29] DEFEND HIMSELF. HE CAN'T EVEN COME BACK

[10:31] FROM WHAT PEOPLE ARE PAINTING HIM TO BE.

[10:33] He may have CHANGED HIS MIND, CHANGED IT

[10:35] BACK, BUT A 31-YEAR-OLD MAN THAT

[10:37] DEDICATED HIS LIFE TO CHRIST and the

[10:38] movement is dead. And people are using

[10:41] his name to get rich or TO BE RELEVANT.

[10:44] WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT TO CHARLIE? WHY?

[10:47] IT'S NOT AN AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THE WORLD

[10:49] FOR ME TO DISRESPECT THIS MAN WHILE HE

[10:51] DEAD. IT'S NOT AMOUNT OF MONEY IN the

[10:53] world for me to PUSH A CONSPIRACY WHEN

[10:56] THEY GOT A MAN ARRESTED. DO YOU WANT HIM

[10:58] TO GET OFF? DO YOU WANT THEM TO HAVE A

[11:00] CASE WHERE YOU DON'T GET THE DEATH

[11:01] PENALTY? Do you want to do you want

[11:03] people to release information and

[11:04] compromise the investigation? MY GOD,

[11:08] YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW HOW frustrated I am

[11:10] talking about this. It's real. People

[11:13] were there. People witnessed horror.

[11:16] People were at the hospital rushing HIM

[11:18] DOING CPR TRYING TO SAVE HIM. THEY

[11:21] WATCHED HIM DIE. HIS WIFE HAD TO SEE HIS

[11:24] LIFELESS BODY. I'VE BEEN TO THE MORG.

[11:26] I've seen tons of dead people. IT'S NOT

[11:29] A PRETTY SIGHT AND IT'S SOMEBODY you

[11:31] love THAT AIN'T NEVER COMING BACK.

[11:34] THEY'RE COLD. THEY'RE STIFF. Blank eye.

[11:37] YOU SEE THE HOLDING HIS NECK THAT KILLED

[11:39] THIS MAN. And and and and you CAN'T HAVE

[11:42] ENOUGH RESPECT TO SAY, "MAN, LET ME hold

[11:44] up a little bit. Who will I hurt by

[11:46] pushing a conspiracy?" It's it it hurt

[11:49] me, man. I love these people, man. They

[11:51] just young people trying to do the right

[11:52] thing. Video team full of young dudes

[11:54] wouldn't hurt a fly. security team

[11:56] supporting that man everywhere he go,

[11:58] dedicating their life to Charlie Kirk

[12:00] and now people talking about the

[12:01] security team is in on it. Man, that's

[12:03] so sickening to me. Do you not care

[12:06] about anybody else? Have you not

[12:07] thinking about all these kids in Turning

[12:09] Point that's just trying to push the

[12:11] mission while they're hurting on the

[12:13] inside about what happened to Charlie?

[12:15] And some people want to see the whole

[12:16] thing turned down, tore down. Some

[12:18] people love to see Turning Point just go

[12:20] away. You love People say, "I love

[12:22] Charlie so much that I want to see his

[12:24] legacy gone." What sense does that make?

[12:26] I have not always agreed with Turning

[12:28] Point. I've not always agreed with some

[12:30] some how they treat me sometimes. But at

[12:32] the end of the day, it's young people

[12:34] acting in good faith. I go on campus and

[12:37] I see it in their eyes. I pray for these

[12:39] young people. I encourage these young

[12:41] people. It's not hard. It's easy to sit

[12:44] behind a desk or sit behind a screen a

[12:47] millionaire with security and all this

[12:50] other stuff, BUT BUT IT'S NOT EASY to be

[12:52] on campus as a young person and your

[12:54] peers hate you and you're not getting

[12:56] paid FOR IT. THESE THESE YOUNG PEOPLE

[12:58] ain't getting paid for this. They out

[12:59] there tableabling in the middle of a

[13:01] storm trying to give hope to people on

[13:03] campus and they get spit on and thrown

[13:06] at. The teachers want to kick them out

[13:07] of school. But some PEOPLE ARE SO GOD

[13:09] DOG SELFISH that they ain't thinking

[13:11] about them not one time. Not none of

[13:13] these kids. I'm so close. I'm so close

[13:17] to going all in. I'm this close. When I

[13:19] heard the conspiracy of one one of my

[13:22] favorite video guys acting as if it's

[13:24] bizarre and odd for him to be next to

[13:27] Charlie Kurt. I almost lost it. I almost

[13:29] lost it. Every time we do videos, the

[13:32] video team and the director of the

[13:34] videos stand right here. So if something

[13:37] go wrong with my lapel, something goes

[13:39] wrong with the microphone, something go

[13:41] wrong with the cameras, the person who's

[13:43] in charge of that can immediately

[13:45] address the issue. I'm so angry, man.

[13:48] I'm so angry. I'm sick of it, bro. I

[13:50] just don't I just don't know what else

[13:51] to say. I'm sick of watching these

[13:53] conspiracies online. The lapel mic did

[13:55] it. Wh Why would you say that? They got

[13:58] the wrong guy. Well, why don't you help

[13:59] them find the right guy instead of

[14:01] instead of acting like the you joining

[14:03] in on the computer? Help them find the

[14:05] right guy. Are you are you are you

[14:07] sending the information that you're

[14:08] getting you everybody online think they

[14:10] got secret information. Are you sending

[14:12] that to the FBI? Are you are you

[14:14] allowing your local law enforcement you

[14:15] giving them tips on what may be somebody

[14:17] else involved? You you cowardous folk

[14:20] would rather make a dollar and go viral

[14:22] than to let the FBI help them in

[14:24] investigation. I swear some people may

[14:26] have information they don't WANT TO LET

[14:27] THE FBI KNOW. SO THE FBI DON'T HAVE

[14:29] EVIDENCE THAT THEY CAN PRESENT IN COURT.

[14:31] If you got information, give it to the

[14:32] people who are investigating. You think

[14:34] that's another shooter? send that to the

[14:36] government instead. Some people want to

[14:38] play detective on their own. If I get

[14:40] information that I think would be

[14:41] incriminating or that would lead to the

[14:44] guy that they have not being the guy

[14:46] that's responsible, I'm going to the

[14:48] FBI. I want to deliver information to

[14:50] them so they can not be arresting the

[14:52] wrong person. The FBI won't find out on

[14:54] my podcast. I'm I would I just It don't

[14:56] make sense. I think that I think the FBI

[14:58] is acting in good faith. But you But

[15:00] some of y'all out here pushing

[15:02] conspiracies that don't make sense. They

[15:04] don't have no evidence. They presented

[15:06] to the court evidence of phone calls.

[15:09] Okay. All right. Uh, I love you guys.

[15:13] I'm getting off here before I lose my

[15:15] mind. Peace.

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