[00:00] Oxford Union President-elect George
[00:02] Abber on faces a pivotal moment as he
[00:04] confronts a vote of no confidence after
[00:06] leaked messages surfaced in which he
[00:08] appeared to celebrate the death of
[00:09] American political activist Charlie
[00:11] Kirk. According to messages leaked to
[00:14] the press, Abber on wrote in a WhatsApp
[00:16] group, "Charlie Kirk got shot. Let's
[00:18] effing go." And in a separate message on
[00:20] Instagram, "Charlie Kirk got shot, lol."
[00:23] The remarks rapidly spread online,
[00:25] triggering fierce backlash and calls for
[00:27] Abber's resignation from both inside and
[00:29] outside of Oxford. I'm just saying as
[00:32] somebody who still loves the Oxford
[00:33] Union as an institution that defends
[00:36] free speech that you cannot be the
[00:39] president of the Oxford Union at the
[00:42] same time as reveling in the political
[00:45] assassination of the people you invite
[00:48] to speak at it. It is simply impossible
[00:51] for him to take over in the I think it's
[00:53] 3 weeks time he takes over. For him to
[00:56] take over as president of that
[00:58] institution, he has to resign.
[01:00] >> In response to mounting criticism,
[01:02] including demands for expulsion from the
[01:04] former prime minister Liz Truss, Abra on
[01:06] appeared on the what's left podcast to
[01:08] address the controversy.
[01:09] >> There have been many calls on both
[01:11] sides. You know, some have called for my
[01:12] resignation. Some have some of many have
[01:15] called for me to stay. You know, there's
[01:16] been large scale support statements that
[01:18] have come out. And at the end of the
[01:20] day, I'm at the behest of the
[01:21] membership. You know,
[01:22] >> he later went on to add, "If the
[01:24] membership want to see me continue, then
[01:26] I would love to continue, but I'd be
[01:28] gutted if I couldn't carry on. I think
[01:30] it would be a massive loss for me, for a
[01:32] lot of people to see that capitulation
[01:33] to online pressure." Referring to the
[01:36] backlash after the news of his remarks
[01:37] came to light, he said, "The first
[01:39] couple of days were so difficult.
[01:41] Suddenly, you're hated. I had a lot of
[01:42] people hurling abuse at me, people
[01:44] turning up at my parents' shop. I was
[01:46] low-key scared to leave the house for
[01:48] days on end. It's really difficult."
[01:50] Abber on also criticized the scrutiny
[01:52] from public figures like Elon Musk and
[01:54] Liz Truss, describing it as insane and
[01:56] accused those on the right of
[01:57] weaponizing cancel culture. I don't want
[01:59] this to be the end for me. I had big
[02:01] aspirations of wanting to improve the
[02:02] world around me. Facing the threat of
[02:04] direct action from Turning Point UK, the
[02:07] organization founded by Charlie Kirk,
[02:09] Abber on is under more pressure. We're
[02:11] living in a time of what feels like
[02:13] pretty significant social change. And it
[02:16] makes us question things that we've even
[02:20] taken for granted for decades. And one
[02:22] of those at the moment that people are
[02:24] wondering about is actually money. Is
[02:27] the money in your bank account safe?
[02:29] Should you be investing elsewhere? Are
[02:32] we looking at a potential global crash?
[02:35] What will it mean for your savings? Is
[02:37] there a way that you could be using your
[02:39] money that might be outside of
[02:41] government control even? Well, Tally
[02:44] Money is potentially one solution. So,
[02:47] I'm delighted to say that I'm joined
[02:49] today by the CEO and founder of Tally
[02:52] Money, Cameron Perry. What is Tally
[02:54] Money?
[02:55] >> Well, at Tally Money, you basically get
[02:57] gold you can spend. So, we give people
[02:59] an individual uh account in their name,
[03:01] everyday account. They get a sort code,
[03:03] an account number. They use that account
[03:05] just like they would pounds from their
[03:07] bank, but uh it's milligrams of gold
[03:09] that we brand as tally.
[03:11] >> Okay. Why would you do that though? What
[03:13] is the benefit to the customer instead
[03:16] of just having a normal pound sterling
[03:18] account?
[03:18] >> Gold's performance against the pound is
[03:21] above 11% peranom over the last 25 years
[03:24] on average. But we still need money in
[03:26] our daily lives and we we have savings.
[03:28] We know that it's good common sense and
[03:30] prudent to save up for things, not just
[03:32] living credit. you know, whether it's a
[03:34] holiday or a rainy day, uh your
[03:36] retirement planning, you need to have
[03:38] money in your life, basically that you
[03:41] can rely on that's dependable, that
[03:42] nobody meddles with, that nobody can
[03:44] weaponize against you, which is another
[03:46] element of government control when it's
[03:47] the government currency, which we could
[03:49] talk about another time, and it should
[03:51] be pretty simple and straightforward,
[03:52] and that's what we deliver at Tally. Um,
[03:54] and really, we just want people to feel
[03:56] safe and happy with their money. There
[03:58] was a time when the bigger your bank
[04:00] balance, the the more confident you
[04:01] felt. Now it's like I need to do
[04:03] something with it. I can't leave it
[04:05] there. In tally you can.
[04:07] >> Okay. Brilliant. Cameron Perry from
[04:09] Tally Money. Thank you so much.
[04:10] >> Thank you babe.
[04:24] If Mr. Abber on remains the new
[04:26] president, we will be forced to begin a
[04:28] direct action campaign against the
[04:29] Oxford Union. It took us nine protests
[04:31] to permanently shut down an
[04:32] inappropriate drag queen story hour in
[04:35] 2023. We reckon it would take us less
[04:37] than five to shut down the Oxford Union.
[04:39] There must be consequences for those who
[04:41] celebrate and call for our deaths.
[04:43] Freshly back from his peace deal visit
[04:45] to the Middle East, President Donald
[04:47] Trump posthumously awarded Charlie Kirk
[04:49] the Presidential Medal of Freedom,
[04:51] recognizing him as a martr for truth and
[04:53] commending his impact on conservative
[04:55] youth organizing
[04:56] >> for living his faith and relentlessly
[04:58] fighting for a better and stronger
[05:01] America. They love this country. And
[05:03] that's why this afternoon, it's my
[05:05] privilege to posumously
[05:07] award Charles James Kirk, our nation's
[05:10] highest civilian honor, the Presidential
[05:14] Medal of Freedom. Thank you.
[05:23] As you know, only hours ago, I returned
[05:26] from a very historic trip to secure
[05:29] peace in the Middle East. People said
[05:31] that couldn't be done. Charlie felt it
[05:32] could be done.
[05:35] Charlie felt it could be done.
[05:40] >> Thank you.
[05:42] In a parallel move, the US State
[05:44] Department announced that it had revoked
[05:45] six visas from foreign nationals
[05:47] identified as celebrating Charlie Kirk's
[05:49] death on social media. They cited the
[05:51] country has no obligation to accommodate
[05:53] foreigners who wish death on Americans.
[05:56] So far, at least 150 Oxford Union
[05:58] members have signed a motion that
[05:59] triggered the vote of no confidence,
[06:01] which is set to take place this weekend
[06:03] with all members eligible to
[06:04] participate. The outcome will determine
[06:07] not just Abber on's future, but deeply
[06:09] affect the union's reputation as one of
[06:11] the world's foremost debating societies.
[06:13] Wider university and public reaction has
[06:16] also been strong. The Oxford Union
[06:18] issued a statement emphasizing, "We
[06:20] unequivocally condemn the reported words
[06:22] and sentiments attributed to Mr. Abber
[06:24] on. These views are his own and do not
[06:26] reflect those of the union or the values
[06:28] of our institution. Oxford University
[06:30] commented that the union is independent
[06:32] and condemned any remarks seemingly
[06:34] promoting violence whilst also
[06:36] indicating that disciplinary action
[06:37] remains outside of their jurisdiction.
[06:39] Avar later deleted the contested posts
[06:42] and expressed regret. In statements to
[06:44] multiple outlets, he said, "No one
[06:46] should be subjected to political
[06:47] violence. Whilst I may have had
[06:49] significant disagreements with Mr.
[06:51] Kirk's political stance. We all deserve
[06:53] dignity and death, and I offer my
[06:55] sympathies to his family and loved ones.
[06:58] He also argued that some of the outrage
[06:59] towards him has been selective, stating,
[07:02] "The irony is not lost on me that many
[07:04] of those now threatening violence and
[07:05] hurling abuse towards me and towards
[07:08] people who look like me have shown no
[07:10] interest in holding Charlie Kirk to the
[07:12] same standard when he mocked children
[07:13] killed by gun violence or excused the
[07:16] deaths of women and children abroad."
[07:17] The controversy has divided the Oxford
[07:19] community. Some students and groups
[07:21] including Oxford stand up to racism
[07:24] issued statements supporting Abberon and
[07:26] called the backlash a racist witch hunt
[07:28] whilst others have argued that his
[07:30] behavior showed poor judgment and has
[07:32] brought the union into disrepute.
[07:34] Current and former members of the union
[07:35] have criticized both the celebratory
[07:37] remarks and the backlash. The situation
[07:39] has also exposed divisions over free
[07:41] speech and acceptable standards in
[07:43] British university life. Threats,
[07:45] harassment, and intimidation have
[07:46] reportedly affected students on both
[07:48] sides of the conflict. With the vote of
[07:50] no confidence looming, the Oxford Union
[07:52] is now under international scrutiny,
[07:54] facing questions about the boundaries of
[07:56] free expression, the role of social
[07:58] media in shaping reputations, and the
[08:00] responsibilities of student leaders in
[08:02] public life. The result of the vote this
[08:04] weekend will set a precedent not just
[08:05] for the union, but for how academic
[08:07] societies across the country handle
[08:09] misconduct, political division, and the
[08:11] consequences of online speech.