Russell Brand Challenges Candace Owens on Individualism, Economic Inequality, and the Myth of Self-Made Success

[00:00] do you like candace owens or do you

[00:01] absolutely detest her do you like me or

[00:03] do you absolutely loathe me wherever you

[00:05] stand on two polarizing figures here we

[00:08] are in conversation now obviously we

[00:10] talk about politics particularly i

[00:13] wanted to press candice owens on the

[00:15] idea that most people that live in

[00:18] systems of elitism and privilege are in

[00:20] those positions because of advantages

[00:22] that have been endowed upon them candice

[00:25] island more of an individualist than i

[00:27] am you might imagine strongly contests

[00:30] my perspective hopefully we remain

[00:33] respectful and light and kind with one

[00:36] another while vehemently disagreeing i'm

[00:39] going to have further conversations with

[00:40] candace aaron so look out for those this

[00:42] conversation took place on my podcast

[00:44] under the skin available on luminary you

[00:46] can subscribe to it there's a link in

[00:47] the description let me know what you

[00:49] think about this conversation in the

[00:50] comments below

[00:52] i agree but do you not think this

[00:54] individualistic culture is in itself

[00:56] destroying the principles at a spiritual

[00:59] human level of community do you not

[01:01] think when people see this economic

[01:03] inequality this disparity i'm not

[01:04] talking about hating your little rich

[01:06] friend lola bell or wherever it was you

[01:08] went around to see her nanny and weren't

[01:10] infuriated by before oh well maybe one

[01:12] day i'll have my own nanny do you not

[01:14] think that economic inequality creates

[01:16] in a human being a sense of injustice of

[01:18] unfairness because people do you know

[01:20] what candice the 90 of people are rich

[01:23] do you know why they're rich they was

[01:24] born rich okay i can tell you something

[01:26] i think that economic disparity creates

[01:28] that feeling but a fundamental

[01:30] understanding in economics do you know

[01:32] that the most people that are rich are

[01:34] born rich it's not like there's a tiny

[01:36] minority of people that are like you

[01:37] that come from a poor background and

[01:39] manage to overcome it and this is what's

[01:41] a problem our problem i've noticed with

[01:42] a lot of great people is they sort of

[01:44] believe that their greatness is

[01:46] something that can be replicated and i

[01:48] don't think it it can i see so i believe

[01:50] in the individual you don't that's what

[01:51] the mental differences but the primary

[01:54] goal of the individual should be to

[01:56] serve the community i i i do not believe

[01:59] that the primary goal of what do you

[02:00] think the problem is that once an

[02:02] individual serves the individual so

[02:04] you're you just you're discounting the

[02:05] human spirit the hebrew i'm saying

[02:07] that's what there is let me ask you no

[02:08] there's not

[02:10] in in

[02:11] humanity think of animals in the wild we

[02:12] even have to go to humanity we can just

[02:14] think about animals in the wild what is

[02:15] our human instinct okay are you going to

[02:17] make sure that everyone on this block is

[02:19] fed before you feed yourself do you go

[02:20] around and say hey have you had

[02:21] breakfast this morning have you had

[02:23] breakfast this morning hey are you going

[02:25] to make sure you're eating and if you

[02:26] have and if you have an excess of course

[02:28] you're going to do the human human

[02:30] condition and our incentives are going

[02:31] to be to want to help are you mortal one

[02:33] the richest 15 people on the planet have

[02:36] got as much accumulative wealth as the

[02:38] poorest five billion but you're that's

[02:40] an excess

[02:42] okay okay excuse me first and foremost

[02:44] you're talking about literally

[02:46] point zero zero zero zero one percent of

[02:48] the world is what you're talking about

[02:50] okay

[02:51] and what and what are they preaching

[02:52] what do they want socialism so that

[02:54] nobody else is the opportunity to become

[02:55] what they've become they're the ones

[02:57] that are pushing creation

[03:00] are you kidding george soros doesn't

[03:02] want socialist policies jeff bezos the

[03:04] richest man in the world doesn't want

[03:05] socialist policies they want to make

[03:06] sure that no one else has the

[03:08] opportunity to get to where they can

[03:09] discuss our language me and you because

[03:11] what we do here's what my socialism

[03:12] looks like

[03:13] take jeff bezos wealth from him except

[03:16] for a reasonable stipend for him to live

[03:18] on something like you know he can have

[03:20] 10 million a year or something tax

[03:22] amazon to the ground so that so so

[03:26] the rich people pay for 85 of all of the

[03:29] taxes you think they should pay for even

[03:31] more

[03:32] do you think that that's that's fact

[03:34] that that's fact yes

[03:35] don't look at me

[03:37] that's a fact the top 10 percent pay for

[03:40] 85 of all the taxes when people say

[03:41] they're going to raise their taxes more

[03:43] i'm just like how much more should we

[03:44] just say just pay for all the taxes i

[03:45] say

[03:46] i say this that there is no when you

[03:49] you're about to use a an example from

[03:51] the natural world and now i'm talking

[03:52] about america by the way i forgot that i

[03:54] mean no i was going to say the instinct

[03:56] when you're in when you're in the

[03:57] natural world is that you feed your

[03:58] family first you're not the idea that

[04:00] social media trying to create goals no

[04:02] longer in the natural world are we we're

[04:04] in a world of sort of accumulation and

[04:06] excess and i don't think it's even

[04:08] working i wonder about sort of you know

[04:10] look i'm

[04:11] i want because you could say where do

[04:12] you draw a line because i'm look at me

[04:14] i've got money now i'm not poor anymore

[04:16] and i'm not going right i'll just take

[04:18] everything that's you know like the

[04:20] thing that i do agree with when i see

[04:21] like sort of right-wing commentators

[04:22] talk like they talk about people that

[04:25] are in a vote of commerce from the left

[04:26] and they go why don't you put some

[04:28] refugees in your house why don't you

[04:29] give up your money and the reason is

[04:31] because people are selfish and in all of

[04:34] us there is a kind of battle between

[04:36] like some of my impulses candice are i

[04:38] just want to i just want pleasure and

[04:41] fun and i don't care about anything

[04:43] except myself that's in me that's in me

[04:46] and it's strong but i personally think i

[04:48] don't feel good when i live that way

[04:50] there are consequences for me and there

[04:52] are consequences for other others so i

[04:54] kind of want to live within systems that

[04:57] um encourage collective and communal

[05:00] values but instead of we're talking

[05:01] about theft no we're not talking about

[05:03] demanding that people give up their

[05:04] stuff as theft but it sounds pretty when

[05:06] you say encourage incentives no when the

[05:08] government comes and demands yeah i give

[05:10] it to someone else

[05:12] you keep translating what i'm saying

[05:14] no you're not helping me

[05:16] he's talking about theft you're

[05:18] translating what i'm saying into

[05:19] rhetoric that you can argue with

[05:21] creating straw men of my words as we go

[05:23] so

[05:25] that that's i'm not saying that i'm

[05:28] saying i'm not saying i'm not espousing

[05:30] the values of big government i'm not

[05:31] saying that there's any political party

[05:33] that currently exists that in any way

[05:35] represents my views i'm just asking if

[05:38] in politics both personally and

[05:40] collectively there's room for a little

[05:42] more compassion and love and whilst i

[05:44] agree with your

[05:46] the uh that there is something easy to

[05:48] fetishize about individual achievements

[05:50] that in your own case or wherever we see

[05:53] greatness we can't take that example of

[05:56] the ability of the individual to

[05:57] overcome adversity to condemn people

[05:59] that haven't been able to like where is

[06:02] there a role then for compassion and

[06:04] kindness i'm not saying there's quite a

[06:05] big government and take away that in

[06:07] politics so my thing is that the

[06:09] conversation could be should be

[06:10] completely separate americans give 500

[06:13] billion in charity every single year

[06:15] okay it has been proven that when you

[06:16] lower the tax rate when you when you

[06:18] government stays out of our paycheck we

[06:20] actually give more that we're inclined

[06:22] to if you have more money and you're

[06:23] able to do it of course you want to give

[06:25] and you want to help when the government

[06:27] is saying we're going to tax your

[06:28] business if you're successful you're

[06:29] going to get taxed more you know what is

[06:31] the incentive for you to want to jump

[06:32] and build a business if you know that

[06:34] you're going to be penalized for it

[06:35] you're going to be penalized for success

[06:37] that's why we believe in limited

[06:38] government when i say we obviously i

[06:39] work for an organization turning point

[06:41] usa oh yeah what's that all about it's

[06:43] it's a you know winning standing point

[06:45] turning point

[06:46] we're launching

[06:48] that's what this whole trip is about

[06:50] you're holding a minute you're launching

[06:52] turning point and like turning point is

[06:53] what what do we you want us to turn to

[06:55] we as conservative principals taught in

[06:57] the school system because the kids are

[06:58] learning this lolly-dolly merry-go-round

[07:00] the world's to be purple and and we're

[07:02] all going to have lollipops in the

[07:03] school systems and then

[07:05] possibly from your podcast i guess i

[07:07] haven't watched enough episodes um

[07:09] it's just not it's it's it's the truest

[07:11] the economic model of of letting people

[07:14] find success because they're willing to

[07:15] work hard if you don't want to work hard

[07:16] you shouldn't be rewarded i don't

[07:18] believe in that i don't believe well

[07:19] what about the person doesn't have your

[07:20] drive why should economic systems govern

[07:23] the way that we live our lives why is

[07:25] there not room for people to be

[07:26] different why is it that a person's

[07:28] value and worth

[07:37] in the history of the world where there

[07:38] hasn't been some given some take you

[07:40] can't you cannot do you can't make that

[07:42] go away there's no magic wand that you

[07:44] can wave that's going to make human

[07:46] incentives and what happens in humanity

[07:48] go away it doesn't matter how rich or

[07:49] how poor society is there's going to be

[07:51] give there's going to be take people are

[07:52] going to create natural markets hey i

[07:54] have three apples i'll give you two

[07:56] apples if you give me this i mean that

[07:58] it just happens this is the way the

[07:59] world works yeah i appreciate that that

[08:01] we have certain

[08:03] natural impulses to trade and to

[08:06] cooperate well if you're enjoying that

[08:08] conversation with candice let me know

[08:09] who you thought made the best points who

[08:11] do you agree with more who do you

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