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Sam Parker Exposes Mikey McCoy's Strange Behavior After Charlie Kirk Shooting as Turning Point USA Launches Damage Control
Sam Parker's viral investigation into Mikey McCoy's suspicious actions during the Charlie Kirk shooting has forced Turning Point USA into full damage control mode. With Candace Owens back and dropping bombshells, bizarre details emerge about McCoy's phone call, Terryl Farnsworth's selfie video taken seconds after the shooting, and multiple witnesses whose reactions don't match their official story. Blake Nefff and Andrew Kolvet attempt to defend McCoy while calling investigators "porn addicts," but their explanations only raise more questions about what really happened that day.
Candace Returns With Devastating New Evidence
The investigation into Charlie Kirk's assassination took a dramatic turn as Candace Owens returned to her platform after a brief hiatus, bringing what she described as carefully vetted evidence that challenges the official narrative. Her return energized independent investigators who have been working tirelessly to uncover the truth about what happened that day.
Candace specifically highlighted the work of Sam Parker, whose viral video analysis of Mikey McCoy's behavior immediately after the shooting has become impossible for Turning Point USA to ignore. Parker's frame-by-frame examination revealed troubling inconsistencies in the timeline and reactions of multiple witnesses present at the scene.
The momentum building around this investigation represents something unprecedented - average Americans from all walks of life are questioning the official story. As one investigator noted, even contractors installing shower glass are discussing the case and following developments online. This level of sustained public interest, now 57 days after the incident, stands in stark contrast to previous events that disappeared from public discourse within two weeks.
The Mikey McCoy Phone Call Mystery
At the center of the controversy is Charlie Kirk's chief of staff, Mikey McCoy, whose actions in the seconds following the shooting have become the subject of intense scrutiny. Video footage analyzed with millisecond precision by Candace's team shows McCoy raising a phone to his ear within 830 milliseconds of the shot being fired - before Charlie had even fallen from his chair.
The New York Times reported that McCoy called Erika Kirk at 11:23 AM, the exact moment Charlie was shot. McCoy's father, Pastor Rob McCoy, claimed his son called him "the minute Charlie was shot" and said Charlie "got blood all over him." This creates an impossible timeline - how could McCoy have called both Erica and his father in the first minute while simultaneously being covered in blood that hadn't yet been shed?
Blake Neff, who claims he was standing next to McCoy during the shooting, attempted to explain these inconsistencies in a Turning Point USA damage control video. Nef stated that McCoy was actually filming social media content for their group chat when the shot rang out, and that the phone was simply in his hand when he instinctively covered his ears. However, this explanation creates new problems: if McCoy's job was to film and immediately send clips to the team, why would he be taking calls on the same device?
Investigators point out that anyone working in media typically uses separate devices for filming and communication. The notion that McCoy was simultaneously filming, got a call, answered it within a second of the shooting, and calmly walked away while Charlie collapsed doesn't align with standard operating procedures or human psychology.
Terryl Farnsworth's Disturbing Selfie Video
Perhaps even more shocking than McCoy's phone call is newly revealed footage from Terryl Farnsworth, who ran to a position behind the tent within seconds of the shooting - before Charlie had hit the ground. Farnsworth filmed himself in what can only be described as a selfie video, repeatedly stating "they shot him, they shot Charlie, they shot him" and concluding with "he's dead."
The use of "they" is particularly significant. As investigators noted, a natural reaction would be to say "someone shot Charlie" or "Charlie's been shot." The immediate use of plural "they" suggests prior knowledge of multiple actors involved. Within two minutes of filming this selfie, Farnsworth was back at Charlie's chair removing SD cards - behavior that strikes observers as remarkably composed for someone who had just witnessed a murder.
Candace revealed that Farnsworth sent her this selfie footage apparently to prove something, though she didn't elaborate on his stated purpose. The video had never been shared publicly before, and Farnsworth has not made any public statements explaining his actions or his certain knowledge that Charlie was dead within 90 seconds of the shooting.
Blake Neff's Coordinated Defense Falls Apart
Blake Neff and Andrew Kolvet appeared on a Turning Point USA show specifically to address Sam Parker's investigation, spending nearly ten minutes attempting to discredit the viral video analysis. Nef claimed he was standing directly next to McCoy and experienced the same shock and fear, asserting they both reacted appropriately by leaving the area to avoid being shot themselves.
However, Nef's account contains several problems that actually reinforce investigators' concerns rather than dispelling them. He describes McCoy's lip "quivering" and being "profoundly freaked out" when they reconnected moments later, yet this description doesn't match the video evidence showing McCoy calmly walking away with a phone to his ear, never ducking, running, or displaying the panic visible in genuine witness reactions.
Nef also stated that neither he nor McCoy's job was to help Charlie because the security team was handling the situation. Yet video shows security personnel Dan Flood and others reacting instinctively to protect and evacuate Charlie, while McCoy, Farnsworth, and Nef all moved away from the scene in the same direction - not toward the closest exit, but around the tent to a specific location where Farnsworth filmed his selfie.
The most telling moment in Nef's defense came when he compared investigators to "porn addicts," suggesting that people examining this case are feeding an unhealthy obsession rather than seeking justice. This rhetorical tactic - attempting to shame people for caring about unresolved questions in Charlie Kirk's death - struck many observers as particularly cynical given the evangelical Christian audience Turning Point typically addresses.
The Fight or Flight Response That Wasn't
Multiple experts in psychology and human behavior have weighed in on the reactions visible in the footage. Dr. Joe, who has a PhD in psychology, explained that the fight-or-flight response evident in genuine witnesses is completely absent in several key figures near Charlie when he was shot.
Crowd members visible in the footage are seen ducking, running, and seeking cover - normal responses to perceived danger. Some remained hidden for several minutes afterward, genuinely afraid of an active shooter situation. In stark contrast, McCoy walks calmly away with a phone to his ear, Farnsworth runs to a filming position and begins narrating events, and multiple cameramen pivot to capture specific angles rather than seeking safety.
Perhaps most damning is that not a single person in the crowd is seen plugging their ears in reaction to the gunshot - except for Hunter Kozak, the person asking Charlie questions at the moment of the shooting. Video from moments before shows Kozak appearing to practice the motion of plugging his ears and crouching, suggesting possible foreknowledge of loud noise to come.
The absence of genuine shock and the presence of seemingly rehearsed or prepared reactions has convinced many observers that multiple people present had some awareness that something was about to happen. Their coordinated movement away from the scene, their immediate access to phones, and their rapid shift into specific roles all suggest a level of preparedness inconsistent with a genuine surprise attack.
Text Messages Reveal Charlie's Premonitions
In her episode, Candace shared text message exchanges with Charlie that revealed he had recurring dreams about being assassinated. These weren't casual mentions but serious conversations where Charlie processed genuine fears about threats to his life. The messages demonstrate the depth of friendship between Candace and Charlie, showing they discussed personal matters including dreams and fears.
Particularly moving was Charlie's reference to Candace as his "David" - the biblical figure who fought Goliath against impossible odds. This characterization has proven prophetic, as Candace now finds herself fighting powerful interests who seem determined to control the narrative around Charlie's death rather than pursue truth and justice.
The text messages also destroy the narrative pushed by Turning Point USA representatives who mocked Candace for mentioning a dream where Charlie came to her. These messages prove that discussing dreams was a normal part of their friendship, making her experience neither unusual nor worthy of ridicule. The attempt to delegitimize Candace by attacking this aspect of her investigation backfired when the evidence showed Charlie himself regularly shared and discussed his dreams with her.
Where is Mikey McCoy?
One of the most glaring aspects of this controversy is McCoy's complete silence. As Charlie Kirk's chief of staff for six years, a married adult man, and someone who has appeared in numerous podcasts and videos discussing the events of that day, McCoy's refusal to personally address the questions raised by Sam Parker's investigation speaks volumes.
Instead of McCoy showing his phone records, explaining his actions, or providing his own account of events, Turning Point USA dispatched Blake Neff and Andrew Kolvet to run interference. This strategy of having others speak for him while he remains silent has only intensified suspicion rather than resolving questions.
Investigators point out that McCoy could easily clear up confusion by releasing his call logs showing exactly when he called Erika Kirk and his father. He could explain why he appeared to be on a call before the shooting occurred. He could describe what he saw and heard in his own words rather than having colleagues characterize his emotional state. His continued silence, now extending for days after his actions went viral, suggests either legal advice to remain quiet or an inability to craft a coherent explanation for what the video evidence shows.
The Coordinated Camera Movements
Advanced analysis of the multiple camera angles available has revealed another troubling pattern. Several cameramen and photographers positioned around the tent didn't react to the shooting by filming Charlie or the immediate area where the shot occurred. Instead, they pivoted to capture the area behind and around the tent - exactly where McCoy, Farnsworth, Nef and others would be moving in the seconds after the shooting.
One videographer behind the tent was facing away from Charlie when the shot rang out. Rather than turning toward the sound and the obvious center of action, he immediately pivoted to film people emerging from behind the tent. This footage, which would clearly show the faces, reactions, and exact movements of McCoy and others in the critical first seconds, has never been released despite being captured on professional equipment.
The coordination of these camera movements - multiple operators simultaneously capturing not the shooting itself but the reactions and movements of specific individuals afterward - suggests either remarkable coincidence or pre-planned positioning. The fact that this footage hasn't been made public, despite its obvious value in answering questions, raises additional concerns about a coordinated effort to control what evidence becomes available.
Turning Point USA's Expansion Despite Unanswered Questions
Even as these questions multiply, Turning Point USA has dramatically expanded its operations. The Governor of Florida announced a partnership to install Turning Point chapters in all Florida high schools. This government endorsement of a political organization with significant unresolved questions surrounding its founder's death struck many observers as premature at best and concerning at worst.
The characterization of this expansion as potentially resembling tactics used in communist countries - where government directly installs political organizations in schools - sparked debate about the appropriate relationship between state power and political activism. The timing, coming while basic facts about Charlie Kirk's death remain contested and uninvestigated, seemed calculated to solidify Turning Point USA's position regardless of what future revelations might emerge.
Investigators note that this rapid institutional expansion provides strong motive for controlling the narrative around Charlie's death. An organization seeking legitimacy and government partnerships cannot afford sustained questions about whether its leadership had foreknowledge or involvement in its founder's assassination. The fierce pushback against independent investigation, the personal attacks on researchers, and the deployment of institutional resources to shape public perception all make more sense in this context.
The "They" Problem No One Can Explain
Returning to Terryl Farnsworth's selfie video, the word "they" continues to haunt the official narrative. Within seconds of the shooting, before any official information was available, Farnsworth repeatedly said "they shot him" and "they killed him." This wasn't a casual observation but an emphatic statement repeated multiple times.
If Farnsworth believed "they" were responsible - some group or conspiracy - why has he not spoken up to share this information with investigators? The official narrative centers entirely on lone shooter Tyler Robinson, yet one of the first witnesses on scene immediately characterized it as "they," suggesting multiple actors. This fundamental contradiction has never been addressed by anyone from Turning Point USA.
Blake Neff's explanation focused entirely on McCoy's phone call and emotional state, but never mentioned Farnsworth's selfie video or his use of plural pronouns. Andrew Kolvet called investigators obsessive and compared them to addicts, but didn't explain the "they" statement. The selective response to some questions while ignoring others suggests an inability to construct a comprehensive explanation that addresses all the available evidence.
Public Polling Shows Nobody Believes the Official Story
Multiple polls conducted on social media and in personal circles show overwhelming skepticism about the official explanation for Charlie Kirk's death. People who aren't immersed in online investigation, casual observers, and even those generally supportive of Turning Point USA express doubts about the narrative being presented.
This level of sustained disbelief represents a significant shift in public consciousness. Where previous controversial events faded from public attention within days or weeks, the Charlie Kirk case has maintained intense interest for nearly two months. The credibility gap between what people can see with their own eyes in the video evidence and what official sources tell them to believe has created a crisis of trust that extends beyond this single incident.
The fact that everyday people - contractors, service workers, parents, and others not typically engaged with political controversies - are discussing the case and expressing skepticism suggests the evidence itself is compelling enough to overcome the natural human tendency to trust official explanations and avoid conspiracy thinking. When the conspiracy theory becomes more believable than the official story, institutions have a serious credibility problem.
Candace's Strategic Information Release
Observers noted that Candace Owens is releasing information strategically rather than all at once. Some initially criticized this approach as "dripping" or "teasing" information to maximize content. However, a more generous interpretation emerged: the case is so massive and complex that releasing everything at once would overwhelm people's ability to process and understand it.
By focusing on specific aspects - the phone call, the selfie video, the text messages - Candace allows time for each piece of evidence to be examined, discussed, and understood before introducing the next element. This methodical approach also serves another purpose: it gives those involved opportunities to come forward with truth before being exposed by evidence. Each release seems calibrated to increase pressure while offering a path toward transparency.
The comparison to "drinking from a fire hose" captures the challenge investigators face. The amount of video evidence, witness statements, timeline discrepancies, and suspicious behaviors is genuinely overwhelming. Trying to present it all simultaneously would allow defenders to cherry-pick weak points while ignoring strong evidence. The paced release forces focused attention on each major question in sequence.
The Decentralized Investigation Model
Both Candace and Sam Parker emphasized that solving this case cannot rest on any single person. Candace explicitly stated she's glad others are investigating and that the effort has become decentralized. This approach provides resilience - if any one investigator is silenced, discredited, or gives up, others continue the work.
Sam Parker's discovery of the Mikey McCoy phone call issue demonstrates why multiple investigators matter. The footage had been watched thousands of times by many people, but Parker noticed the specific detail that changed the entire trajectory of analysis. Each investigator brings different expertise, asks different questions, and notices different details. This diversity of perspective makes the investigation stronger and more comprehensive.
The decentralized model also protects investigators. Rather than Candace bearing all the pressure and risk of pursuing powerful interests, she becomes one voice among many. Turning Point USA cannot silence or sue everyone, and attempting to do so would only confirm the validity of the investigation. The organic, grassroots nature of the inquiry gives it legitimacy that a single-source investigation might lack.
The Gaslighting Campaign
The response from Turning Point USA and its defenders has relied heavily on gaslighting - attempting to make people doubt what they can clearly see. Blake Neff's statement that Mikey McCoy was "running" or "briskly walking" to escape danger stands in direct contradiction to video showing a calm, unhurried walk while on a phone call. The characterization of natural human curiosity about these discrepancies as resembling pornography addiction represents psychological manipulation rather than good-faith debate.
Dr. Joe, speaking from his background in psychology, identified this gaslighting as particularly egregious because it targets people's perception of reality itself. When someone tells you that what you're clearly seeing isn't actually happening, and that your very attention to observable evidence indicates moral or mental deficiency, they're employing a classic abuse tactic designed to create confusion and self-doubt.
The gaslighting extends to characterizing McCoy as having a "lip quivering" and being "profoundly freaked out" when no video evidence shows this, while simultaneously dismissing video evidence that does exist as being misinterpreted by observers. This selective acceptance of evidence - crediting verbal descriptions with no video support while rejecting video evidence with no credible alternative explanation - reveals the weakness of the defensive position.
Questions That Demand Answers
The accumulated evidence raises questions that responsible authorities should be pursuing: Why did multiple witnesses show no fight-or-flight response? Who was Mikey McCoy speaking with before the shooting? How did Terryl Farnsworth know Charlie was dead within 90 seconds? Why did several cameras pivot away from the shooting to film specific individuals? Where is the footage from the professional cameras that captured the immediate aftermath? Why has the FBI not interviewed these witnesses about their anomalous behavior? Who benefits from Charlie Kirk's death and Turning Point USA's continued operation under new leadership?
These aren't speculative conspiracy theories but direct questions arising from documented evidence. The refusal to address them, combined with personal attacks on those asking, suggests people in positions of knowledge and authority are more concerned with protecting reputations than uncovering truth. Every day that passes without honest answers further erodes public trust and strengthens suspicion that the official narrative is a cover-up.
The Larger Pattern of Accountability Failure
Investigators connect the Charlie Kirk case to a broader pattern of two-tiered justice and accountability failure in America. When evidence of wrongdoing emerges, it seems to matter tremendously whether the accused has institutional protection. Those without powerful allies face swift investigation and prosecution. Those within protected circles see investigations stall, evidence disappear, and media attention shift elsewhere.
The handling of the Charlie Kirk case may represent a turning point in public awareness of this pattern. The sustained attention, the quality of independent investigation, and the blatant nature of the discrepancies have created a test case for whether institutional protection can overcome objective evidence. If Turning Point USA successfully moves past these questions without meaningful investigation, it will signal that accountability is truly impossible for connected individuals and organizations.
Conversely, if sustained public pressure forces genuine investigation and transparency, it could demonstrate that decentralized citizen journalism and grassroots fact-finding can overcome institutional resistance to accountability. The outcome of this case may determine whether similar investigations of other suspicious events can succeed or whether institutional power will always prevail over evidence and truth.
Video Transcript
and we're going to get right into this space. Just give me a few minutes to get things going. We're going to play a song and kick back off the old school style Monday night, Wednesday night, and Friday night. And I'm so down for so you can't kill. And I don't know if you guys are glad to have Candace back. Oh [ __ ] >> I'm not sure if you guys are as glad as I am that Candace is back and she's bringing the heat, but I'm so excited. You guys have no idea. It's like a breath of fresh air. And not only is it a breath of fresh air, but Candace is declaring war on the entire Turning Point team. And I couldn't be more excited. And I'm still more I don't know if I'm more excited about Candace's back or that she was giving Sam Parker a shout out. And uh his story on Mikey McCoy is absolutely kind of changing the entire narrative on this entire investigation. Man, I'm so stoked. Proud of you, homie. Why don't I pass the mic to the legendary Sam and let him say what up and then we'll pass it over to Maize. How you guys doing today, guys? Good to see you guys. Well, hey, props back to you. You got the big shout out, too, my man. Uh, Candace was very generous today. Um, you know, and and she said something actually that I said yesterday. I said, "We can't lay this all on Candace. Candace can't be a single point of failure. Um, number one, it's not it doesn't make good strategic sense. It's not fair to her to put it every to put everything on her. And, um, and number three, it's just it's way too big a case uh way too big a crime for any one person to solve. I mean there's it is so massive. Every aspect of this crime is massive and so it's going to take I said a lot of people doing a lot of things um yesterday and she said the same thing today. She said she's glad that other people are jumping in that it's decentralized um and that a lot of people are working together. So, I I think that's a really important message uh out of the gate here to remember that we're all just people doing the best we can trying to solve this crime. And it's going to take it's going to take all of us. It's going to take all of us doing a variety of things and a and a variety of investigations uh to get to the bottom of this. But yeah, happy to see her back. Glad to see her back. Um dropping a lot of bombshells and uh giving a lot of props to people. You, Ian, Carol, uh uh obviously myself. Um, I think uh uh what's it? James Lee got the shout out. Uh, a couple other people said Boyin. Sure. I'm forgetting somebody. I don't I can't remember. Oh, uh, Baron Coleman. She called him out, too. She couldn't remember his name, but obviously the Baron Coleman. So, yeah. I mean, there's just uh, you know, a lot of developments and and I want to address uh, and then we'll pass the microphone off to Maize here real quickly, but just um, I want to address this idea that Candace is she's just like, you know, she's just trickling stuff out. She's just teasing us little bits at a time. And I'm like, you know what I realized? This this case is so massive that you have to spend time thinking about and and observing like each aspect of this and and analyzing it, picking it apart. It's like you It's like drinking from a fire hose. And she's pacing herself. She's vetting the information. They're thinking about it. They're analyzing it. They're presenting it in pieces because really that's that's really the best way to do this cuz otherwise it's drinking from a fire hose and it's overwhelming and we can't absorb it all. Anyway, so that's just something to keep in mind before we get too deep. I'll throw it off to Maze. >> Hi guys. Man, I was just watching it. It's, you know, it's something about like watching her like detangle this in real time and it's it's it's amazing. It's like she was chosen for this. It's It was truly remarkable. I'm so glad she's back. Um you guys definitely deserve the shout outs that she got um that you guys got. But yeah, this this is um I mean it's just it's almost like as she unravels it there's just I'm like on the edge of my chair like what is she going to bring? And every time she delivers y'all every single time she delivers like today's episode was crazy. Um, I can't wait until we get into it. I'm super glad that you decided to do a space right after it. But yeah, back over to you, Ryan. And welcome, guys. Repost the space if you don't mind. Hit the little purple pill. Make sure you repost the space and put it in your group DMs. And um yeah, what you got, Ryan? >> No, I'm just I'm so excited that Candace is back because it changes the entire dynamic. her voice is so massive and it and it really allows us that man the message to get out there you know like no matter how great you know the work that me and Sam or anybody else does it's like it reaches a certain point but then when Candace gets a hold of it really makes it go kind of viral kind of goes national at that point it really goes everywhere so it's just it's nice that when you when you finally find that thing like Sam found that video of Mike and McCoy like we all watched that video a thousand times and nobody saw that nobody put those pieces together and then after what like you know it was like 50 days later of a video we've probably all watched a thousand times. You know, you just see that one thing that you overlooked and you're like, "How the hell did I not see that before?" And then all of a sudden it just opens up a whole new can of worms and it just adds to like the exponential amount of questions that we have that are going unanswered. And I think that like, you know, I had a guy that came over and uh installed my my shower glass and he was talking to me about how he started to listen to Charlie Kirk and then he came back in after cuz I had to order the glass. I had to cut it and come back and install it. He brought another apprentice with him and then his apprentice come over and this kid was much younger. He's like in his 20s and he's like, "Oh, I'm doing is watching Charlie Kirk. I'm paying attention to the whole investigation. Like, I've seen your videos online." Blah blah blah blah blah. It's like your average run-of-the-mill people are are talking about this. You know, now we're what is this 57 days past the assassination of Charlie Kirk where the Trump assassination 14 days later it was a cold turkey. I mean, nobody was talking about it outside of crowd source the truth and a few other people. 14 days later, we had like one congressional hearing about it and then it fell on deaf ears and even people like I played a video yesterday. It was of uh Megan Kelly interviewing Don Jr. and she asked him a question. and he kind of did the whole like I'm a political I'm going to give you this roundabout answer and then she like circled back like no no I want to I'm asking you like you didn't answer the question you know do you think the FBI is actually going to get to the bottom of this investigation and Don's like um yeah I you just hear him like like even the people that are supposed to be faking it and trying to make you think that they believe that the FBI is going to get to the bot like they can't even fake it anymore and anybody like all of the fake MAGA the Khan Inc. All of these cor like the cronies out there that were attacking can ODOT even Crowder, right? All of these people are just burning every shred of credibility that they've ever had if they had any at all left or anybody actually respected these people. Like we can all see what's happening here. So I just I'm just glad that everybody's waking up and the amount of people that are really waking up at a level that uh that we've never really seen before. And it's like you can't really scroll through any social media platform at all and not see just a non-stop relentless barrage of people like calling out Israel, you know, like hearing Cash Patel getting called a little [ __ ] and called it Israel's [ __ ] to his face was just so funny by whatever chick reporter that was that one day it's like people are pissed. Our country is getting destroyed and it's getting destroyed because of the corruption. And it's like no matter what we what we find, what we uncover, what evidence we bring forward, like the people at the top obviously don't get held accountable. And until like I think our entire country wakes up and realize realizes what a two-tier justice system is. We're not going to get to the bottom. We're never going to get answers. And I think that this is going to where this is where it all starts. I think that this is this was the turning point in American history. You know, I was warning about a major false flag coming. I don't know if you guys have seen I was like I don't know if it's going to be some type of terrorist attack or it's going to be another directed energy weapon attack but if I'm not mistaken a category 5 hurricane like a massive one is hitting Jamaica or in route to Jamaica if I'm not mistaken I may maybe I overlooked something is it okay all right it is I see some 100% coming up I don't know if it's going to be another directed energy weapon attack but they need something so massive it has to be hurricane Alen style to really take the eyes and the attention off of this where like the news and every social media platform, all like the pundits can kind of go. It's like it gives them a good excuse, I guess, if you will, to not be focused on Charlie Kirk because the there's something so catastrophic and so monumental that like it almost forces everybody to report on it kind of thing. And I think that's what we have coming. I think it's it's inevitable that that has to come. But even something like Hurricane Helen, I don't think it's going to do it now. some type of terrorist attack would maybe I don't think I don't think people like myself are going to stop or Sam Parker or Candace are going to stop talking about it but it would be hard to break through the noise of of a false flag terrorist attack that took place on USA so like something like 9/11 would be so monumental it would be really hard because now then we would have him be going that route again oh it's Israel again would be the sus prime suspect in whatever terrorist attack it was so it would take a little bit off the Charlie Kirk assassination but at the same time I don't think it really would work same with these Same with these false flags, you know, another Maui attack, a flood, a hurricane Helen. I definitely think it's coming. And I think that every time that they carry out one of these type of attacks, it's just going to become more and more obvious and people are going to start waking up at a rate that eventually, you know, the chickens are going to come home to roost and kind I'll land it here. But that's where I think like the momentum is building. like you know Trump I don't know what they're telling him but like he's going out there and he he's even saying like you know this is like a video somebody sent me two days ago or it was I don't know when it was might have been yesterday when he was at some he was giving some speech somewhere and he's like you know 2 years ago or 4 years ago or 6 years ago I forget what what time frame he gave he goes you know if you would have said anything bad about Israel it would have pretty much ended your political career and he goes that's completely opposite today he goes you say anything good about Israel it pretty much ends your political career but he's like look I'm I'm still here. My bowling numbers are at an all-time high. So, I don't know like if he's actually believes that that his bowling numbers are at an all-time high, if he's not on X, if he's not feeling the way that we feel, because the amount of people that I've see that have MAGA in their bios or Patriot or this, you know, that they were out there campaigning, hitting the streets, you know, promoting President Trump just like I was. And now we're over here the exact opposite, saying like this guy's pretty much the antichrist and he's owned and controlled by the Jews. And and then every time he does something, it just reinforces that. So when people like us are saying that, hey, Trump's a Jew. He's controlled by the Jews. He's owned by the Jews. And then you might try be trying to defend Trump, you can only defend the man for so long before the def the defendable becomes indefensible. And I think that's kind of where we're at here. So I'll end it there. I've been talking a long time. I'll pass it back over to Sam. How you doing, brother? >> Doing good, man. Doing good. You know, Ken has um Dennis does great work and she has an advantage that the rest of us don't have. She she has millions of people sending her tips. Um and but she knows all these people. she was part of this organization and you know she's in contact with them, right? She has access to more information and footage uh uh than we do, right? So, uh that's that's why one of the reasons why she's so critically important to this investigation is because she can get her hands on things that like we can't get our hands on, right? we're not going to be able to get our hands on, you know, the first minute of footage what from Tyler Boyer, you know, around the corner saying they they killed him. They killed him. You know, like he's not going to send that to me, right? Um or whatever. I can't remember if he said they shot him or they killed him. But um and somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that was Tyler Ber, right? That that's uh that's who that was uh that she was communicating with. Um >> no, no, that was I thought that was Tyler Boyer. It was um it was Terrell fan fans. Were you talking about the guy who took the green cards? >> No, the guy who um went through the the walk or through the overhang around to the side and and filmed himself a minute after the or less than a minute after the shooting said they killed him. They killed him or they shot him. They shot him >> and then he Terrell Fanworth. >> That was Terrell Farnsworth. >> Yes, I I reported on that. I thought it was I don't know why I thought that as well. I'm glad I'm not the only one. I could have swore that she'd said that that was Tyler. I I only watched it once right before we got on here, so I'll have to go back and watch that. But uh like but but the point is is Terrell Farnsworth's not going to send that to me. Like I'm not in contact with him. He's not going to send that to me. Apparently he didn't send that to anybody else except Candace, right? So that we know of. U and and apparently he sent that to her to to prove something to her. Like that that was her feeling apparently. But um but that's the importance of her. She can get her hands on uh on information. uh she can be in contact with people that uh that we can't be in contact with. And she can get footage and and and other information and other insider scoops that, you know, that's going to be very difficult for for people like us to get our hands on. I've never been a member of Turning Point USA. I've never been a part of that organization. Uh I I only know a few people who were sort of like, you know, student reps or whatever uh from that direction, but certainly nobody in the management. So, you know, that's that's why we do that's one of the big reasons we rely on her. And then she's got a team of uh she's got a whole team of people that uh you know are doing work and running these things down and you know they got a studio and they're all set up. You know to present this information in the best way possible and I thought they did a good job that millisecond timer uh was a stroke of genius. Uh it really you know removes a lot of doubt. Now, I don't know. Did Did anybody Ryan did G or Maze or anybody else on the speaking panel, did you guys see uh TP USA's response today to my video to to the Mikey McCoy controversy walking away? Did you see that? >> No. Fill me in. They spent about I don't know eight or nine minutes like trying to debunk that and they had uh Andrew Kulovit and Blake Nef on there and Blake says you I was standing right next to uh to Mikey and and and Blake defends him. He goes on at length to defend him and I think we'd have to really listen to it together or something to to pick it apart. So I don't want to bore everybody like but basically >> I do. So send me if you got the link when Maze takes the mic just send it to me or whatever and uh we can play it. >> All right, maybe we'll do that. But but you know there's there's some critical aspects about the Mikey McCoy narrative, right? That that we all wanted answers to. You know, in the med the media, the New York Times was saying Eric Kirk said that Mikey called her at at 11:23. Like that's the exact minute Charlie was shot, right? And then his uh Mikey's dad, Pastor Rob McCoy, was saying, "Well, you know, he called me the minute Charlie was shot." Said, "Dad, Charlie was shot in the neck and he got blood all over him." And and he said, you know, I I picked up on this, but I didn't. This is that fire hose, you know, drinking from a fire hose. I picked up when he said, "I was looking or I was watching." And, you know, he had blood all over him, you know, and and and Candace said, "What was he watching?" And and you know, I've had that question myself, but I sort of like didn't think to verbalize it on the timeline. I was just like, what's he talking about? Like was he watching you what was he watching? And I thought maybe he's he had like a private feed like cuz you know they weren't publicly streaming it. I thought maybe maybe they were privately streaming it to some people. Maybe that's what he was watching. I mean I that's sort of like I was sort of in that stage of like like I had acknowledged that he said that and I was kind of thinking about it but it hadn't yet occurred to me to like hey like get on the timeline and say hey what's up with this and and she did that it occurred to her right so this is why we need you know a lot of people >> with this conspiracy get over yourself >> but you know one of the question so one of the questions was they both claimed to have been called by Mikey in the first minute right and Ron McCoy said he was covered in blood so a lot of inconsistencies there another inconsistency was like Why didn't Mikey or another question we asked is why didn't Mikey uh you know go to the the car ride with Charlie to the hospital? Uh and that was another people like why is he not running away or walking off when they're loading Charlie up he's not there you know. Uh so that was another question that everybody had and um and then of course there was the phone itself like you know why did he raise the phone up to his ear so quickly and then walk away like why is he walking away? Why isn't he running or ducking or diving like everybody else? Why is he why is he on the phone? And when did he make this call? These were all questions we had. Well, Blake had answers for every Blake had a nice little answer for all of these little objections except for one that he didn't address. He didn't address the Rob McCoy, you know, Mikey had blood all over him little thing. He didn't address that. Um and I and I will I'll send you the link. Actually, you know what? Let me grab it. Let me just grab it now and I'll send it to you. But I I just thought it was um you know, interesting. Mikey McCoy is Charlie's chief of staff and has been for six years. He's married. He's a grown man. He's not a little kid. Okay. They call him Mikey, you know, but he's not a little kid. He's a grown man. A married grown man. Uh where's he been for the last 3 days, you know, or 3 4 days. Like, how come he hasn't addressed this? Why why did Blake Nef and Andrew Kovit have to get on their show today and and uh and do damage control? Uh if um if Mikey Mikey could have just showed us his call logs he just he could have said look you know I was terrified this or that or whatever and I panicked or whatever and I here's my call logs here I called like he could have done a lot of things he could he he remained silent all week and he didn't respond to anybody right and he's still not responding he's letting other people do the lifting for him and I'm like this is the chief of staff you know he's been going on all these podcasts talking all about this but he's not talking about this and he's not addressing this. Wouldn't somebody else take the lead on this? Anyway, so I I will send you the link and um if you want, we can listen to it in the space. Uh everybody's already, I assume, has watched Canis, maybe not, but um so let me let me just Anyway, so that was I watched it like three times. I have a lot of problems with it, but it kind of doesn't make sense to go into it until until we've uh until we've all listened to it. So, I'm going to send you that link right now in the DMs and I'll pass off the mic. >> So, like the part that I thought was a trip, guys. I mean, I did see all of the footage of Tyler where he ran off to that little wall and we saw him like holding the phone up and I thought he was, you know, taking some footage or whatever, but little did I know that he was actually doing this little selfie video and then he How did he know Charlie was dead? Within 4 minutes, you know? Well, actually 4 minutes was when he took down the SD card. So >> yeah, I think that Silky video was in the first minute and a half, right? First 90 seconds. >> Yep. And And so >> and we should just say again that was Terrell Farnsworth apparently, not an uh not uh Tyler Boyer. That's what Brian just told us. So we don't want to Yeah. >> Uh we want to get that correct. >> Somebody can go triple >> questions. Yeah. >> No. Nope. I'm 100% because I was sent screenshots by like three different people when I put that video out. It got like 24,000 views and my DM started blowing up saying, "Hey guy, you got the wrong guy. You got the wrong guy." And I was like, "Oh [ __ ] my bad." And that's why we couldn't that's why nobody had seen um Tyler Boyer, right? Like we were all Candace put out a video or a tweet was like, "Hey, has anybody seen this dude?" Because Tyler Boyer claimed that he was there, but we couldn't find him on video anywhere. So, it was kind of weird that he said he was there, but yet nobody seen him on video that entire day. So, I'll end it there. Good. Yeah. No, I was just saying I mean I know that it's really difficult to say what we would do in that situation, but the last thing I would be thinking about is recording my reaction, okay, to a friend of mine, somebody that just gets shot. I don't go over to a wall and just start kind of recording my kind of turn the, you know, phone around a little bit. But like, why would that be the first thing that comes to your mind? I mean like it's almost the last thing that would come to my mind which is why it was really shocking to me. I'm like what? Like and I mean you can even see on her face like she was like he sends me a selfie. I was like I think she just she encapsulates kind of the same like emotion that comes over me with her sarcasm a little bit. Um but it is it's just it's odd and she sat on that for a while. I think she was trying to give them a chance to kind of continue to do the right thing at some point. Like they're going to come through and like, you know, start doing the right thing. But I think she's she seems to be in full exposure mode. Very also strategic and in how she's handling it. Um, but I thought that that was really interesting. And then also the the the shared text messages that she had between her and Charlie I think are just another thing that you know just really just kind of shows and reveals how close they were. You're talking to people about like you know your dreams and they all blasted her about it. But then you can see that this was a common thing that they talked about you know. >> Yeah. Are we going to blast Charlie now? Are we going to blast Charlie for talking about his dreams too? Is that is that what we're going to do? Right, man. >> Right. That's what I'm saying. It was just like and he had this this, you know, premonition that something was going to happen and like it was, you know, and apparently he dreamed about it all the time, which is kind of scary, but I mean this is something so like, you know, not to bring the woo woo, but like he he came to her coming to her in a dream just doesn't seem as awkward now. Like it doesn't seem like it's like, wow, that seems, you know, like it would be a part of what happens. But yeah, I just thought that that was um really interesting and it did it does it does show that and it it justifies her passion about this. She's not trying to get clicks. She's not like it's not about that. Like you could tell she really truly just wants to get to the bottom and find out who it is that killed Charlie and she's going to expose whoever that is. I think what was like so if I can step in real quick um thanks for having me up but I uh I think about those text messages that hit me so hard was him relating to her as his David to be the one like in the fight against David and Goliath if you're Christian at all like that is a huge thing and she really is David versus Goliath right now and he tucks that to her like she was going to be the one to carry it forward and be the one and it's it's amazing to me that he had the foresight to think of anybody in this world, Candace will be the one that will be my David. Like she's going to be the one that is fighting for me. And that's in his own words. It's not, well, he told me this one time or hearsay or anything that anybody can debunk. Like those are his own words. And so that was so powerful to me whenever she was reading those text messages. Um, and then not only that, but if you go back and look at uh Terrell or however you say his name up against that wall whenever he's doing the selfie, which blows my mind that he was actually taking a selfie at that time. I I we saw him holding the camera up. We thought maybe he was just getting footage and that was bad enough. But now that we know that he was actually filming himself at that time makes it even more mindboggling. But if you look at like the in the background of some of the other videos that you can see him in, he looks perched up there. Like he is completely comfortable. He's not scared. He's relaxed. He doesn't look frantic. I would be a nervous wreck at that time. Is there another shooter? Am I going to be shot? Where am I going to be safe? like a million things going through my head that I wouldn't be thinking of, oh, I need to take a selfie of myself right now to document it that it just it seems so out of place and even more bizarre. And it raises even more questions that I think that they're going to have a hard time answering once again. And this is what I'm loving about Candace and why she even, you know, she titled her video today about it being bait. like she's allowing like she's putting out just enough that she's giving them the opportunity to come clean, but it's still whenever they're not, they're hanging themselves at the same time. So, I just I really appreciate her content. I really appreciate that Charlie has a friend like this that is still doing this and fighting for him. And it it's just it's it's really sad to think that nobody else at TPUSA is coming forward and standing up for Charlie besides Candace. It it's just a very sad situation. And for a man that touched so many lives and gave so many people opportunities, it just breaks my heart that she is the only one. And that that's his ride or die though. Like she was there. She said it today and in the video. She did more campus tours with him than anybody else. She was by him his side doing it more than anybody else. She spent six years next to him. Like she founded it like she grew this organization with him. And it just goes to show that like sometimes whenever you are at the bottom and you're struggling and you're you're trying to, you know, live your dreams out that those people that you build that with are truly the people that are closest to you. And other people might just think you're, you know, dispensable. And in this case, I think we're seeing that some people could have seen that he was dispensable. >> Very well said. Very well said. Um Sam, I got your video teed up, too. So, if you want me to kick that off, uh we can go right into it right now if you want. >> Uh well, first I wanted to just dwell on what uh what Noxy said for just just one moment. I may uh >> Oh, absolutely. Jump on. >> So, so Terrell Fra says they shot him. They shot Charlie. They shot him. He says it several times. They shot him and then he said I think he said and correct me if I'm wrong dead at the end he says he's dead right >> yes correct 100% >> right he gave us that he's dead Jim um and um who's and why [laughter] why would you say he's been shot like I watched Adam Bartholomew you scream and when the shot rang out he's like there's been shots fired right shots fired um you know or you might say Charlie's been shot but they shot him they shot him they Charlie Deja like who's he said they several times. Who's they? So Terrell Farnsworth if you think there's a they involved here how come you haven't spoken up cuz right now the narrative is just this one guy you know this Tyler Robinson cook. So if if it's they like who who's this they is he is the radical left is that who he's referring to in this moment is in this moment where Charlie is shot. Is that where his mind went? The radical left has shot has shot Charlie. Is that is that what uh is that what he's thinking? Like I I just I don't know. It's it's it's it's very >> No, you're right, Sam, because that's your first thought would be someone, right? Someone shot Charlie. >> They shot Charlie. >> Charlie got shot. Charlie got shot. Somebody shot Charlie. You know that they shot Charlie. That's like that's like something you say on Twitter. They, you know, like cuz you don't want to get censored, right? They, you know, uh it's uh it's just a weird way. It's a weird way to describe it. Um, and >> and then for like 2 minutes later, not to interrupt you, but 2 minutes later, he's already standing on the chair that Charlie was just shot and murdered in, pulling out SD cards. Like, it's no big deal, pacing around the place. And it's just like, where? Like, I don't I don't understand the mentality of where he was at at that time. like two minutes later after filming himself saying Charlie's dead being the first person. He said he was dead within a minute of Charlie being shot and then 2 minutes after that he's already over there trying to pull SD cards. >> He he ran to that position behind the tent up on the wall before Charlie even hit the ground. The dude had not even hit the ground and he was already running into position to get up there on that perch where he can video. Like that's how >> I I I am looking at a still right now and Charlie is is falling and one of the security guys it might be Dan Flood has his arm around Charlie's bicep. You know, you might you guys might remember from the video like he goes to sort of cradle and and and and hold Charlie as he kind of lowers into the ground as Charlie's falling. You know, that whole sort of scenario. And I can see Terrell has his back to it all and is in running mode. So that's correct. >> So that's correct. Uh Charlie hasn't hit the ground or fallen yet. There is blood coming out, but Terrell is not looking at it. He's actually looking away where he he's looking towards where he's running. And and so so again, exactly. Uh how does he know Charlie's dead? >> How did him how did him and Mikey McCoy know at the exact same time? It was almost simultaneous from the way that you guys are describing that. Him and Mikey would have both like basically turned around, not seen anything that was going on, and both went in the exact same direction and did some really weird [ __ ] at the exact same time without knowing anything. >> I'm going to do I'm going to do you one better. Blake Nef. Now, if anybody wants to embark on a research project, and maybe this is for Blake Bedars, I don't know, but Blake just said today, we're going to listen to this clip in a second. He says that he was standing right next to Mikey. So, in the footage, it looks like there is a bald guy. From one of the angles, there's a bald guy standing next to Mikey wearing, I think, a blue top and some slacks. I think that's Blake Nef. I'm looking at another angle here and you can distinctly see uh the rear end of Blake Neth, the back half of Mikey as he's disappearing behind the tent and the back of uh Terrell Farnsworth's head uh and back and the back of him as they're all running away except for Mikey who's strolling. Um and Charlie has not yet fallen out of his chair. Charlie has not yet fallen out of his chair and not one of the three of them is looking at him. The other interesting thing is they all instead of if you look at the footage from one angle, there's there's two ways you can go from behind that tent, you can go straight straight back into that parking area where the cars were, where the SUV is, you know, how they that the direction where they carried Charlie's eventually where we're were about to carry Charlie's body through, or you can cut behind the tent and go at an angle uh to the the far side of the overhang to where the um to where Terrell filmed his little selfie. And what's interesting is all three of them all three of them >> took the far path over to that spot rather than the quick direct path straight back. I I don't know what that means. >> There's also the cameraman uh who I just couldn't just name three. >> It's diligent. Diligent. >> Yeah. What's up? So So there's also the cameraman who was closest to Charlie filming who when Charlie got shot, he didn't look towards Charlie. He turned around and looked towards the tent where they were going to be dragging the tent. He looked the opposite direction. So, he actually moved away from the action and spun his camera around to look to his right instead of facing Charlie to where Charlie would be be being dragged out. Right. So, he's another one that also did when the shot occurred. Okay. Was acting strange as hell. All right. He he turned away from the noise, the shooting, etc., and to where he would expect Charlie to be dragged out. It's so crazy. >> Talking about the uh the cameraman on the on the left side of the tent who's behind the tent, right? >> So So there was a photographer and their names and I'm driving. I'm I'm actually on my way to Utah. >> No, no, this is actually really important because I I'll set the scene for you, Diligent. when you're looking straight on at the tent, you know, at Charlie falling out of the chair to the left, behind uh there's the guy with the white shirt and the white hat, but then behind him, behind that back corner of the tent on the left, as you're looking at the tent, there's two photographers. There's one facing to the right who's a photographer. It looks like I think there's a videographer facing to your left, pointing away from the action. But as soon as Charlie's shot starts at the bottom of his chair, he pivots around to capture >> the act of the people fleeing behind the tent rather than hearing all these guys to do. I have I have all I have I've been working on this for about I haven't released it yet, but I have almost everybody in that frame who is in that behind that barricade. I have all of their names. All of them. And and and and by the way, so he pivots around and rather than film in front of the tent where Charlie is, where the action's going on, he actually starts filming the people coming around the right side back of the tent. Blake, Tyler, Terrell, he's filming them. Where's that footage? And that's that's a nice camera. We would be able to see quite clearly uh their reactions, what they're doing at their gate. Uh are they on the phone? What you know, all that stuff. Where's that foot? I thought that I've always thought that strange that he moved into position to film what was happening behind the tent rather than being shot in front of the tent. >> Carol did uh the two photographer and the videographer. They all moved to go exactly where Charlie would be being dragged out after the shooting. And they didn't take any time to assess what was going on before they did it. Zero. Zero seconds. >> None. Zero time. Zero. That as Candace with her milliseconds say it was a point. what 83 something you know 830 something milliseconds but you know the time it took Mikey to raise his hands up over his ears put his phone up and walk away start walking away like less than a second uh and if you look at the angles he never actually fixes his gaze on Charlie he only incidentally incidentally sees Charlie as he's as his gaze pans across Charlie as he's turning to walk away that's the only time he actually looks at Charlie like they didn't even spend an entire second gazing upon Yeah. And and and again, I cannot stress he hasn't even fallen out of his chair when they're already gone and out of sight. >> How do they know he's dead? How do they know what's happened? You know, >> well, Sam, let me cuz I'm now you got me so interested. I want to hear what the actual TPUSA team is saying about you because you basically brought all of this to light and I really I think it's interesting. I think the audience wants to hear it, too. So, let me play this clip really quick. >> You This is This is really funny, by the way. He's about to He's about to say my name, then he decides not to and pretends like he forgot it. It's It's pretty funny. It's a It's a total It's a It's a move. It's a move. You can You'll be able to hear it, but I'll let you guys decide for yourself. >> All right, let's do it. So, Sam, do you want to give us a little breakdown cuz we got a bunch of people just joined us. Explain this clip to us for 5 minutes there for a few seconds and then I'll play it. >> So, there was uh I don't know who the guy leading this discussion was. Um but uh there's going to be three guys you're going to hear. You're going to hear one guy TF, then you're going to hear a lot of Andrew Kovit and a lot of Blake Nef. Wake Nef again uh was the guy standing next to uh um Mikey McCoy at the back edge of the tent. Uh Andrew Kovit was not there. But these are these are going to be the two two guys mostly you're going to hear from talking about what happened and explaining uh you know what Mikey was thinking, what he was doing. Uh and I'm just like where's Mikey? like he's been all over on video every day like why isn't Mikey telling us this? So that's my thoughts. I'll let I'll let I'll let let it roll now. >> All right, S. Let me know if if this is too loud. Let me know cuz I'm playing this through my speakers. Sometimes it gets a little bit loud, but let me know. I'm going to play it right now. >> Well, we got to do a little got to do a little addressing of a of a video that went viral this this uh weekend. And it's a video of Charlie's chief of staff. We made the decision and we wanted to address this head on because you know candidly there's so much intrigue and I'm gonna I'm gonna do a generous thing. The intrigue is because people care about Charlie. Okay. So that part I understand you're more generous than I. Yes. And that's fine. And I am going to give you the the the the floor here now Blake because you were there and you actually interact with Mikey. You were with Mikey. You you blessed a scene and then re uh connected with Mikey. So explain what the video I'm not going to set the scene. >> Well, I'm not going to wallow in it at length, but people have it's gone viral and people have asked us to address it. You're going to do so briefly. The video without going way into it is by I can't even remember the guy's name. Someone had made a video that is attacking Mikey, Charlie's friend, Charlie's chief of staff, a guy all of us know, a guy who we've seen on the show here the last few weeks. They are attacking him, claiming based on a few seconds of clips that he allegedly has like a nonchalant or calm reaction to Charlie's murder. And I'm just going to be blunt about this. This is a extremely disgusting attack. And I can speak to that because I was there when it happened and I was next to Mikey when it happened. And what I can say is I again I can't say every single thing that happened but I want to talk about this specific narrow thing that the shooting occurs. I am next to Mikey. Both of us hear a loud crack. We both turn. We both see Charlie who has been shot. Both of us I think at about the same time realize that that means there is a shooter who is on the scene. Uh and you know you just hear the crack. So you don't know did it come from far away? Hey, did it come close? Is there a mass shooter unfolding right now? So, I and him both had the reaction of let's get out of here before we are both shot. That is not abandoning Charlie. Charlie had a security team. They all leapt immediately into action and they got Charlie out of there, which was what their job was to do. My job was not to get in the way and screw this up because like I had to be a hero. That was not my job. I remember even running past both of us going past the, you know, the SUV that we came in on and me thinking, should I get in that car and then thinking, no, that's a really stupid thing to do. And then I kept going. So, I was not with Mikey immed or I don't remember being with him. I think I was ahead of him as we left. And we get out and I run for must can't have been more than 15 or 20 seconds. And then I realize there hasn't been another shot. So, the shooter has likely been detained or stopped or something. not in immediate danger. I pause, I look around me, and I see Mikey. And I see Mikey there. And I'll never, truthfully, I will never forget what I saw because I've seen Mikey almost every day for the past 2 years. Uh I know his personality very well. He's a very bubbly guy. He's a very happy guy almost all of the time. And I'll never forget what I saw because it was clear in the moment that he he was profoundly freaked out. What I'll always remember is the way his his lip was quivering, which I'd never seen before. And you you very rarely see from someone that he was and I think he literally said to me, I I might be imagining this, but I think what he literally said was he and then he was looking around and then he says, "I I need to call Erica." And he then he takes his phone and he begins calling Erica. And I don't want to disclose how that call unfolded, but he did that. just, you know, your mind extends all of this, but that is h happening within a minute of all of this occurring. I remember he calls Erica by around the same time I pull out my phone and I call my mom just to say, "Mom, there's been a shooting. You're going to see it on the news. I'm okay. You know, pray for me. I've got to go." And I remember that call and time I I put that phone away and then he immediately calls his dad. He calls Robin McCoy and he says, "Dad, someone shot Charlie. you need to call all of your pastor friends. Charlie was hit. We need everyone to pray right now. And that's what he told him. And I guess it just it's very disgusting for me as someone who witnessed this who saw Mikey hugely distressed and then step up in the moment because after that was called that call was over I saw Mikey like get total mastery of himself that he realized he had to step up in this situation >> and he from that point he was like he was like a general directing a battle where he was you know grabbing people and saying okay we need to get to the hospital and we need to do these things and you guys need to wait here. I need to get in here to get information so that I can get it to get it to Erica. And when we when we learned he was dead, it was he came out and he told us and then he says and he says, "Now, none of you can say anything that you've heard because it is Erica's not going to hear about this from anyone except me. Can Can I ask a question? I've just been thrown into this 10 minutes ago, but the there's a suggestion online that Mikey Charlie's chief of staff, one of the most sincere people you'd ever meet, brilliant, Christian, kind, everyone who's he ever met in his entire life, couldn't fly, was part of a conspiracy to murder Charlie. That's not it's vile. It's it's utterly vile. And we do this, what type of individual just to create content, do we think, or is there some What's the No, I think a lot of this mindset just sort of fuels itself. Uh it's it's sort of addictive in the same way a lot of social media stuff is addictive or in the way like uh honestly something like pornography is addictive or something like they get really they they almost get a they get a high off of like [snorts] the idea of like that they're doing something that's daring or out there. >> Yeah. And I just want to I want to make one other point though and and this is actually to your point. You you you saw Mikey do heroic things that day. I saw Mikey do heroic things. I was not on site, but I immediately flew to Utah. We got a plane. I It's not something that I'm used to, but it was like my wife went with me. We went straight over. I knew I needed to be with Erica and the team immediately just because, you know, I just knew. But that moment when I got the news, I was so shell shocked. I was not even there, but I was immediately traumatized. My brain fries like an egg. I can't see straight. I can't think straight. All I knew is that like what's happening? My wife came in. She like hugged me. We started crying together. And and I I can't even remember those moments very clearly. I wasn't even there. My two and he he and I asked him I was like, "Do you ever remember the moments after?" He's like, "I can't I can't even really remember. I know I called Erica. I know I called my wife. I know I called my dad. I can't even really remember the the steps I took. I can't. But here's the last thing I want to make a point out. And Charlie cuz Charlie had given me similar instructions along the years. Said, "If anything ever happens to me, you call Erica." You know what I'm saying? He drilled that into Mikey's brain so that when this moment of trauma happened that he turned around and he knew he had to do And by the way, I last thing because this is part of the the video allegations here is that they think they they're alleging that he was on the phone immediately. He was not. He was taking social videos which he would send to our group chat which we would then put on Charlie's social while the event was happening so you could see like the crowd come in or his interactions. And we were only two questions into this event. So he was still getting it out to all the chats he needed to do which he did at every event. He turns around and it was so blaringly loud. I'm told you would know this better than this is what I'm told. looked so blaringly loud and he was so shell shocked he put his fingers in his ear but his phone was still in his hand. He walks away and he's not even not even walking. when cuz people are talking about that. The way it was is we had a cordoned off area with you know rates so you could had controlled access. All the people when this happens, they all get the idea we should leave before we are shot. And so there's a little narrow gap that I think people it's not really walking. It's that everyone has to slow to get through this little narrow chili point to get out of the area. And anyways, well the point is he walks briskly. It does I don't even care if he's walking, running, whatever because again the most traumatic thing you could imagine had just happened to him. My brain fried. I cannot imagine what was going through your guys' head being on the scene and seeing it and knowing again the security guys are jumping in. He turns and he like I'm telling you Mikey that day turned into a general on a field marshalling the troops going I mean but like for a second there obviously he didn't know what to do and then he clipped into gear eventually. It was a Mikey was a heroic figure on that day. Okay. Want anyone who finds these narratives attacking him to be remotely credible to really really stop and think about what you are doing because what >> All right guys, so we got a lot to unpack here and we have the legendary the legendary Miss Elizabeth Lane who is one of the famous journalists who's actually trying to get Tyler Robinson an attorney which this is a whole another rabbit hole that we're going to go down. She threw her hand up first. I'm going to jump over to Elizabeth and let her give us a little bit of commentary and then we'll jump back over to Sam and Maze and Diligent. Go ahead, Elizabeth. >> Hey, Ryan. Hey guys. Uh, good to be here with you. I accidentally saw this so I was like I I got to say hi to Ryan and everybody. Sam, great work by the way on those videos. Incredible work. And it's funny like this guy mentions um general because I was going to say we should turn Mike McCoy into a general and send him deploy him on this hotspots you know all problematic hotspots because I'm telling you my axe is a Navy Seal and even he could not handle the situation the way Mike McCoy did. Unfaced, focused, unshaken, just randomly walking. You know, it's it's incredible that they have the audacity to come out and say that. Also, I I don't know. Correct me if I'm wrong, but their story still doesn't make sense to me. Okay, so he called Erica. According to what they officially are stating now, but if he called Erica, it's obvious from the video that he was already on the phone with somebody. Uh because he takes the phone, he puts it up against his ear, right? Like if I'm if I'm not mistaken. So then the shot shot shot happens. I mean Charlie Charlie gets shot and falls over even before Charlie gets kind of falls over on the floor. He continues to talk instead of dropping the phone or dropping the call and trying to figure out where to go, where to run, should I help Charlie? Oh no, I'm scared. Like all these thoughts should be running in his Let's say he's a coward. Okay, let's say he didn't want to help Charlie. He's a coward. He He's not even running. So, so what exactly happened there? And something that I would love to discuss with you guys and this crew is, okay, so let's say this is a [ __ ] story, then it only means that Mike Mato either knew something, was involved, or obviously something's up with him and his dad. >> Well, what do you think that is? Like the question is what? Okay, obviously they do benefit, you know, uh with this whole situation. If Charlie's dead, they do benefit. Apparently, they have a plan. Our turning point uh should continue and carry out. I mean, his father came out and told us that I think it was September 14th when he said that we have a plan. We know what Charlie wanted, but how does this rabbit hole go? What do you guys think? >> Well, Elizabeth, let me add to that, too, because Right. So, what what uh what's that guy's name? Andrew Kovo just said there was what Mikey McCoy's job is to do and what he's done at every single event is to film and then get these clips to us immediately. Right? So, what that means is anybody that's in this game, right? I am sitting next to you guys, I have two phones on me right now. There is no way in hell I am taking phones. I am taking calls on the phone that I'm filming with. So, if the phone in his hand was the phone that he was filming with, then he magically is getting a call. So, what you're going to be filming and like you think about you're like the number two at turning point. So your phone's probably you're in communication with these people non-stop, especially if you're in communication with the team. How are you simultaneously filming with the exact same phone that you're then taking calls on? So that part right there is the one number one thing that stuck out to me. And I'll I'll jump over to Sam because Sam's kind of the one who this story is all about. So go ahead, Sam. >> Can I [laughter] want to hear from everybody on this cuz I do I have about 30 things to say about this, but I want to hear what other people have to say. Well, I just wanted to chime in real quick that Candace did say on her show today that whenever she talked to Terrell that he had said that they had just started, that was the first time that they were live feeding and doing the cuts directly from the home office. And so why would he be doing it there whenever they are live feeding it back to TPUSA so they can make the cuts and get them out immediately? >> Well said. See, that's why I love these spaces. who wants to jump in here next. >> I do want to say that you don't I want to answer her question. You don't and this is for everybody in the room. You do not have to be a PhD of everything. Their narrative is the thing that's not adding up. If you look at the work that Ryan and diligent wonderful work you've been doing, my friend and Sam, you can see the base level responsibility of the people presenting the narrative to you is that it makes sense. If you were directing these scenes, you would be a terrible director if you didn't say, "Sorry, but what you're doing isn't believable. Try again." We have at least three, four, five people that are there and then other people that aren't there and their narratives, what they're doing, their behavior is so strange and so odd, it doesn't add up. And the fact that the FBI that the fact that the intelligence industrial complex is not even concerned about these things when everywhere else in their life when they smell a rat they go right after it. We all know that this is willful ignorance. Don't think that you have to come up with a counternarrative. Just say what I'm saying is [ __ ] and I'm not buying the narrative. >> It's all fake and gay in the words of Candace. Am I the only one that thinks that uh that Judas Oh, I mean uh Andrew Kovit, he is the Judas of this situation though that they him and the other guy sound like closeted almost so >> was the other guy. >> Yeah. I and I I I I I I have to like between JD Vance and these guys, I feel like turning USA and and the administration has been infiltrated by some kind of secret positive homosexual culture diligent. It's funny said that because I believe I was the very first one to start calling this out because I got a call from a turning point insider. This is like an OG. He goes back to I don't even want to say the time frame cuz this person was like really giving out anything that could expose who he was. But he was information. He's like basically like uh what's that guy's name? The Tyler Bowman. I believe his keyword his words were like he acts like a prancing like he runs around like a prancing little school girl. And he goes and everybody at Turning Point knows that he's a raging closet homosexual. Now this is all just allegedly. This is just coming. So this is nothing that I'm saying is an absolute fact your own research. It's just my opinion. But he was saying that basically everybody outside of Charlie Kirk at Turning Point is a closet homosexual. And they also referred to one really bigname influencer who's part of the team whose producer is homosexual and actually has told some stories about some other people at that organization. So I think you're right over the target. I think that a lot of these people at that organization seem to be gay, but yet it's funny that you almost watch them overcompensate when they're posting videos and photos of their wife and their family every single day. It's like you don't have to go above and beyond to kind of try to convince us that you're straight unless you might be hiding something is what I'm kind of saying. So, >> well, and then well, and then it kind of goes towards the secular. And here's here's the I think the concerning part is that we're now seeing this righteous conservative Christian movement happening in the wake of Charlie Kirk's death that's being adopted at the state level even today. Okay. uh the governor of Florida came out and said that he's going to be partnering with okay uh with Turning Point USA to install chapters at at all of their high schools. I mean this is uh if this were happening in any other country it would be like a communist movement, right? like when the when the government starts telling you openly that we're going to be installing politics uh political organizations into your schools, you know, that's exactly what China and these other communist countries do. So, uh if the fact that there is so much left unanswered about Charlie Kirk's murder, most people, and I mean I've ran so many polls on this, nobody [ __ ] believes this [ __ ] The normie people I know don't believe it. The people who aren't on Twitter all day don't believe it. The people who like my mom, you know, the boomers who are on not on the internet at all, they don't believe it. Nobody buys that [ __ ] And we're letting this organization just run wild being propped up by the state to go out there and indoctrinate all of our kids, man. Um, I don't think it's enough to to just question things. We have to decisively I don't know, man. We have to find some kind of way to get the truth out there in a way that's irrefutable. Uh I just don't know how we do it. >> Just really quickly, I think it's important to note that this would be the evangelical sect. Okay. And we already all know what that means. If they're putting this in high schools at the state level, if that's what you're saying, that is really concerning. I just I saw Dr. Joe had his hand up for quite some time since he's been up here. So, I just wanted to pass in the mic real quick and then go to Travis and then we'll um open it back up. David, I know you wanted to chime in, too. Go ahead, Dr. Joe. >> Thanks, Maze. Yeah, I just listening to the Turning Point USA people talk earlier got me a little bit heated because it's like the blatant lying here. I My background is psychology. I do have a PhD in psychology. And what Candace was talking about about a fight orflight response, that is entirely correct. Okay. It's how Mikey and a few of these other people were acting seemed so so so abnormal. Mikey, I believe it was Blake Nef that was saying that, oh, they were fleeing. They were running away to make sure that they hid. Mikey was not running away. And this is frustrating to me because the gaslighting is just so egregious. Mikey was calmly walking away. He instinctively picked up his phone. I believe it was Elizabeth Lane that was saying earlier about how uh just their reactions were so instantaneous. It it really did feel pre-planned that Mikey was going to pick up his phone, answer it or continue the call. I believe Candace said it was about a minute and 40 seconds beforehand because she had that entire time uh mapped out across a number of different angles. But if there was a call placed on Mikey's end, that call was placed about a minute and 40 seconds before Charlie was shot. And so he was sitting there waiting. And his instinctive reaction, if this was not Erica and this was not Mikey's father, Rob, he had an instinctive reaction within a second. Candace said it was it was like what 800 milliseconds or something crazy. Within a second, he picked up this phone and calmly, very, very, very, very calmly walked behind the tent and they were talking about Blake, I believe it was on that on that call, was talking about, oh, they were going to hide and stuff like that. You could see Mikey in the background. I believe it was in an open parking lot. And it's like, if you look at how the crow crowd was reacting for minutes afterwards, they were hiding. Uh there was one video whereation was like talking to some goth people and they were like they were far away and they were hiding minutes later. They they were afraid of another shooter. They were afraid of uh just the active shooting zone. And these people who were directly near Charlie, they within a second were reacting like nothing happened. You don't see the fight orflight response. You don't even see a shock response. It's not like Mikey looked like he was in shock. they had what seems to me and this is again just my opinion. It seems like it was very coordinating. And then on top of that, when you have these two turning point people, Blake Nef and Andrew Co that are saying that well uh Mikey didn't call them. He didn't know the order and stuff like that. He called them stuff like that. It got a little bit chaotic. I can give them a little bit of leniency. I can say this is the steel man for the argument. Fine. He doesn't remember the order. But who was he talking to? immediately within literally a second after Charlie was shot, he picked up that phone with no no hesitation. And it's just it's the strangest strangest thing to me. Sam, did you have something you wanted to say? >> Well, I was just going to say, you know, you're just a porn addict. You're just like a porn addict, Dr. Joe. That's what Blake Neptis called. He called us a bunch of porn addicts for being obsessed with this >> competitive being porn addicts. instead of appreciating people really looking into this. Isn't that strange? Wouldn't you appreciate that this many people cared about getting to the bottom of his death like to figuring out who actually did it to getting justice for Charlie? No, they don't care. And it seems to me that that's only something that a guilty um person wouldn't [clears throat] want. You know, >> where's Mikey? Mikey is a married man, chief of staff, Swiss Army knife, field general. Where's Mikey? Where's Mikey? Why is Mikey saying anything? [laughter] No. I just want to know where's Mikey. Like I I have a feeling about this in front of what my sense is. Um could be wrong, could be, but um you know, they were me thinks they don't protest too much. But there's so many things to get into here. I don't want to take it away from Dr. Joe if you had more to say. I just I just wanted to point out Dr. Joe, that you're you're basically a porn addict for being obsessed with this. That that's all I wanted to point out. >> As a psychologist, you must, you know, appreciate that. >> Well, I mean, it's obviously a diversion. You have these two people, Blake Nef and Andrew Colve. They're talking to a primarily evangelical Christian audience. And so, you want to associate people who are looking into into this incident with porn addicts, something that you're not supposed to be doing as a Christian. You're not supposed to be watching porn. And so it's just I mean you could maybe if you want to be as generous as possible be like okay maybe it's just a coincidence they're doing this but reality it really does seem like they're trying to they're trying to smear the people who are actually looking into it this and Candace was completely right that it's weird like they're not even trying to use the best possible interpretation for why people care about the Charlie assassination. They're just saying oh well you're a porn addict. And it's like well where is that connection coming from? It it it to me seems like a very very clear uh smear tactic and I just there were so many people and I just don't think the people who potentially planned this really had an understanding about how difficult it would be to silence all the people there, all the different camera angles, things like that. And so they had this narrative that I mean it just it quite frankly does not align with reality. you're you're watching this video and they're gaslighting you that uh if you if you believe what your lying eyes are telling you you're just a porn addict. It's like it's I I mean it it outrages me to a certain extent to see this level of gaslighting and I I believe truly believe for my tax money we deserve better SCOPS. Thank you. >> Yeah, I'm looking at a still shot here. I'm about to post it, but not a single person in the crowd is plugging their ears. Not one. the only person cuz [clears throat] remember they said Mikey he was just plugging his ears and he happened to plug one ear with his phone like one one ear with one end and and the other ear with his phone plugged his ears right cuz it was so loud you know it was so loud it was so shocking and traumatizing he plugged his ears uh not traumatized enough to run of course but traumatized enough to plug his ears with his phone um but I'm looking at the still shot the literally the only person the whole there's a whole crowd all the security people running away in the back the only person in the frame who has his ears plugged is Hunter Kak the questioner who I want to point out we have on video practicing plugging his ears minutes before moments before right we al did everybody see that video where he's like practicing like his plugging his ears and like crouching you know he's he practiced that right he's literally the only guy after Charlie got shot who who made that motion to plug his ears and I guess perhaps Mikey McCoy who did it with his phone plugged his ears with his phone uh another thing I want to I'm just throwing I'm scattershot here. But back to Ryan Mana's point, you know, about, you k
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