TPUSA Responds to Candace Owens OVER LEAKED Charlie Kirk Messages

[00:00] private message is a private message and

[00:02] if a person who was on the private

[00:03] message wanted to be public that person

[00:05] would have made it public and

[00:06] unfortunately when you die you don't

[00:08] have a choice to make it public or

[00:09] private a group text chain that has been

[00:12] made known uh and released uh by Candace

[00:15] Owens I first want to say the reason I

[00:17] have I didn't share that screen grab

[00:19] publicly is because it was a private

[00:21] exchange but I did share it with some

[00:23] people in government because it happened

[00:26] really quick it was you know it took 33

[00:28] hours for author authorities to get

[00:31] their suspect. And in that first in

[00:33] those first moments, we wanted no stone

[00:35] unturned. We wanted to leave nothing

[00:37] unturned.

[00:38] >> Did this have anything to do with who

[00:39] killed Charlie? So any effort, in my

[00:42] opinion, to promote this as a as a thing

[00:44] is literally spitting on Charlie's

[00:46] grave, in my personal opinion.

[00:50] Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to

[00:51] the show. I I want to address uh the

[00:54] text messages that were leaked. And I'm

[00:57] going to be honest, you you got to give

[00:59] some credit to Candace Owens for

[01:02] bringing receipts from what she said. I

[01:05] don't like that the text messages were

[01:06] released. But let me just add this

[01:08] because Andrew in the podcast said that

[01:12] this was the screenshot that he took and

[01:14] disseminated to other people, which

[01:16] somehow this got in the hands of Candace

[01:18] Owens and Candace Owens put it out on

[01:20] the internet. So, it doesn't appear that

[01:22] this somehow came from Candace initially

[01:26] getting into the system and finding this

[01:28] stuff. It came from Andrew who

[01:30] screenshotted this and sent it to

[01:32] somebody that ended up getting in the

[01:33] hands of Candace Owens or maybe he sent

[01:35] it to her directly. I I don't really

[01:37] know. But let me give my thoughts on the

[01:39] tech the existence of the text message,

[01:41] what I think. And then we're going to

[01:43] get to Andrew Kovit's response of the

[01:46] text message and I want to play Rob

[01:47] McCoyy's statement as well. I do not

[01:50] like this drama because Charlie Kirk

[01:54] cannot defend himself. He's dead. So

[01:58] whether he liked Israel, didn't like

[02:00] Israel, whether he was going left,

[02:02] right, down the middle, none of it

[02:05] matters because he cannot defend himself

[02:07] and he's no longer with us. So his uh

[02:10] strive to be in a certain position or

[02:12] take a political stance, it really is

[02:14] irrelevant at this point, unfortunately.

[02:17] And I don't like the leaking and

[02:19] screenshotting and sending information

[02:22] out on the internet into the ether

[02:24] simply because a private message is a

[02:26] private message. And if a person who was

[02:28] on the private message wanted to be

[02:30] public, that person would have made it

[02:31] public. And unfortunately, when you die,

[02:34] you don't have a choice to make it

[02:35] public or private. So that's why I think

[02:37] it should remain private. Listen family,

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[03:31] annual plan. Does this have anything to

[03:33] do with who killed Charlie? So any

[03:35] effort in my opinion to promote this as

[03:37] a as a thing or promote this as

[03:40] important is literally spitting on

[03:42] Charlie's grave in my personal opinion.

[03:44] >> You know there's there's discussion

[03:45] about uh his his views on Israel. What I

[03:49] can tell you is that Charlie believed

[03:52] and and I was with him in Korea just it

[03:54] was the last trip we took. It was last

[03:56] week and and he was he was wanting me to

[03:59] go to Israel to start a work there. That

[04:02] was that was his request of me and I

[04:04] know this that he believed the Jews had

[04:06] an ancestral right to the land. He

[04:09] believed that Jews are God's chosen

[04:10] people. Um he he believed in the

[04:13] sovereignty of Israel. He also believed

[04:16] Ezekiel 37 that there was that there was

[04:19] to be a political nation first and a

[04:21] spiritual nation second. Um and and so

[04:25] he he would be accused of being um an

[04:29] anti-semite because he would separate

[04:32] the that that you can you can question

[04:35] the the political government of Israel.

[04:38] Um but you stand with the realization

[04:41] that that the Jews are God's chosen

[04:43] people. They have an ancestral right to

[04:45] the land. But you can also like we do

[04:48] with our own government, call them out

[04:49] when they're wrong. and and I was on a

[04:51] text stream with him and Orthodox

[04:54] uh rabbis and and believe Orthodox

[04:57] believers and and he would he he would

[05:00] lay this out. He would lay it out and

[05:02] and he would glean from that and then

[05:03] he'd be on the other side where he's

[05:05] trying to understand, you know, Tucker's

[05:07] position and everyone else's because he

[05:09] was trying to build the bridge for young

[05:11] people 18 to 30 that were were

[05:14] nontraditional

[05:16] uh uh conservative voters,

[05:18] >> right? These these are kids that were

[05:19] sick and tired of watching their their

[05:23] peers

[05:25] die in the 1040 window in the Middle

[05:28] East in in wars put forward by the

[05:32] industrial war complex and and and to

[05:34] see them dying in villages and hamlets

[05:36] of the names they couldn't pronounce and

[05:38] and and then abandon them and come back

[05:41] and and there they're still the walking

[05:43] wounded because they've got PTSD.

[05:44] They've lost friends and what did they

[05:46] fight for? And they leave billions and

[05:47] billions of dollars in American

[05:49] equipment. They were disillusioned, a

[05:52] distrust for the government.

[05:54] >> And this is what Charlie always pushed.

[05:56] >> Yeah.

[05:57] >> Don't let your distrust of government

[05:59] exceed your trust in God. It's okay to

[06:02] question,

[06:04] >> but trust the Lord.

[06:05] >> We shouldn't be wasting our time talking

[06:06] about stuff like this, but since it's

[06:08] out there, I got to say something about

[06:09] it. Okay, so let's get to the context of

[06:11] what it says here. It appears that

[06:14] Charlie Kirk in his message says that

[06:16] and this is authenticated. It's a

[06:17] authentic message. So this is not

[06:19] somebody didn't fabricate this. This is

[06:21] what was said. Now I don't think it has

[06:22] all the context because clearly this is

[06:24] just a few exchanges. Where's the rest

[06:26] of the messages at? Right. So what it

[06:29] says here it says just lost another huge

[06:31] Jewish donor $2 million a year because

[06:33] we won't cancel Tucker Carlson. Let's

[06:35] let me address that real quick. I

[06:37] disagree with anybody that says that it

[06:41] was a problem that a Jewish donor decide

[06:44] to go in a different direction with

[06:46] their money after having an anti-semite

[06:49] on stage at Charlie Ker at Turning Point

[06:51] events. This is not about if Charlie

[06:54] liked the guy or not. He could be

[06:55] friends with the guy all he want. But

[06:57] when he's spewing anti-semitism on stage

[06:59] and literally taking the next generation

[07:01] of young people in a bad direction,

[07:04] making them hate the government, making

[07:05] them question everything the government

[07:06] does, that's a problem. That's not what

[07:09] we need for the next generation. So if

[07:11] you if you are a donor and you giving 2

[07:12] million a year and and and you got

[07:14] somebody on stage like this that's

[07:16] antithetical to the organization that

[07:18] you're supporting, I don't see there be

[07:20] a problem whatsoever with saying, "Well,

[07:21] I'm not spending my money in this way."

[07:23] And I don't know why anybody would get

[07:24] upset with that. Just find donors that

[07:26] want to do what you want them to do. Why

[07:28] would you get mad at donors who don't

[07:29] want to do the things that you said you

[07:30] were going to do for them? I'm my own

[07:32] man. I do all my own stuff. This is all

[07:34] my money going. So, nobody can tell me

[07:35] nothing and and and I ain't taking no

[07:37] money for nobody to tell me nothing. But

[07:38] if I were to say, "Well, let's have an

[07:40] investment or investors." And an

[07:43] investor says, "Okay, Brandon, I really

[07:44] like what you're doing, man. I like how

[07:46] you stand up for Israel. I I like what

[07:48] you do for law enforcement. I like how

[07:50] you're conservative. and I want to give

[07:51] you $2 million a year for the next five

[07:53] years to to help you build your platform

[07:55] and help you build your company. And

[07:57] then year two, I start platforming

[08:00] people who are anti-Semitic. I start

[08:02] giving credence to people who are saying

[08:04] things that are antithetical to the

[08:06] mission in which the donor started or

[08:08] the investor started with me on. And

[08:10] investors say, "Look, man, I don't want

[08:11] to invest in this anymore. Why I'm going

[08:13] to get mad at them?" Well, don't invest

[08:15] with me. I'll find another investor that

[08:16] that that believe in what I want to do

[08:18] now. Then it goes on and Charlie Kirk

[08:20] says the key point that I think

[08:22] everybody is honing in on and that's

[08:26] that it leaves me no choice but to leave

[08:28] the pro-Israeli cause. Now let me tell

[08:31] you what it don't say. This does not say

[08:33] that Charlie Kirk don't support Israel

[08:34] anymore. It's saying that he not going

[08:36] to put his neck out there and take the

[08:38] arrows that are coming his way standing

[08:41] up for Israel and making it the main

[08:43] thing of what he's saying when he's

[08:45] defending Israel on campus all around

[08:47] the country. Now, I'mma give my two

[08:49] cent. There is no donor, there is no uh

[08:52] pro-Israeli person that's going to make

[08:55] me change my position on supporting

[08:57] Israel because it's biblical. Unless the

[09:00] Bible change, I will never change my

[09:03] support for the state of Israel and its

[09:05] existence. I don't have to like anything

[09:07] Benjamin Netanyahu does. Although I

[09:09] think that what he's doing in the war is

[09:11] reasonable. I I don't agree with

[09:12] everything he's doing. I think he should

[09:14] have finished the job two years ago.

[09:16] Now, it's of course it's easy for me to

[09:17] say sitting behind my desk in the United

[09:19] States of America versus being the

[09:21] president or prime minister of a major

[09:22] country a country that's in the middle

[09:24] of of conflict with just about everybody

[09:26] that's around. I will never change my

[09:28] stance. I don't care how much backlash

[09:30] y'all do. I don't care how much $7,000

[09:32] uh messages y'all put in the chat. I

[09:34] laugh every time you put that in the

[09:36] chat. Do you think that bothers me that

[09:38] you say I'm getting paid $7,000? I don't

[09:40] bother me cuz ain't nobody paying me

[09:41] nothing. And to be honest, if they

[09:43] wanted to pay me to say stuff I'm

[09:45] already saying, where can I find that

[09:47] check? I'mma give a bonus to every

[09:49] single person that work for me. Every

[09:51] $7,000 check I get. That's what I would

[09:53] do if they were to give me some money.

[09:54] They ain't giving me no money. That's

[09:55] why I ain't got to be mad at nothing.

[09:57] Y'all can keep saying that old weirdo

[09:59] stuff. I'm going to keep growing. My

[10:01] company's going to keep growing. We're

[10:03] going to keep succeeding. The Lord is

[10:04] going to keep blessing. So why do I care

[10:06] what you saying about me? Most of y'all

[10:08] sitting in your mama basement somewhere

[10:09] mad at your life. That's why you still

[10:11] follow me. I'm looking at people online

[10:13] say all that stuff and they still

[10:14] following me. Why are you still

[10:16] following me? Why are you still wasting

[10:17] your time out of your day instead of

[10:19] playing with your kids and and I don't

[10:22] know living your life generating wealth

[10:24] or whatever you should be doing. You on

[10:26] my stuff texting me like I'll be reading

[10:28] it.

[10:29] 99% of y'all write that stuff. I ain't

[10:32] reading that. I'm too busy grinding and

[10:34] making it happen to read your little

[10:36] messages. Okay, let's go on uh

[10:39] to the clip of Andrew and what he had to

[10:42] say about the topic here. Roll it.

[10:47] But I want to take the start of this

[10:49] show to address some of the things that

[10:52] have been going around on public, namely

[10:54] about a text, a group text chain that

[10:57] has been made known uh and released uh

[11:00] by Candace Owens. And I just want to

[11:02] address it headon because uh you know

[11:05] that was a text grab a screen grab that

[11:07] I had shared uh with people. So it it is

[11:10] authentic.

[11:11] >> Time out. Time out.

[11:16] >> This is my this is my problem with this

[11:20] because I didn't like that the text

[11:22] message was put out there. But then the

[11:25] question remains in my personal opinion

[11:26] is why does anybody need to be

[11:29] screenshotting and sending this out

[11:31] anyways?

[11:32] Potentially this how it got in the hands

[11:34] of Candace so to put out in the first

[11:36] place. So I think internally nobody

[11:40] could be mad at the stuff getting out if

[11:42] internally the screenshots were

[11:44] happening there and disseminated

[11:46] anywhere. I think that was a big major

[11:48] flaw that happened with this text

[11:51] message scandal is that it should have

[11:53] never been screenshotted in the first

[11:54] place and disseminated from anybody.

[11:57] But when you do that, it's in the hands

[11:59] of everybody now and now the whole world

[12:01] can see these messages. That's just my

[12:03] two cent wrote a clip

[12:04] >> and I want to go into it because I

[12:06] actually am really excited that the the

[12:08] truth is out there. I first want to say

[12:10] the reason I have I didn't share that

[12:12] screen grab publicly is because it was a

[12:15] private it was a private exchange and I

[12:18] felt like it didn't necessarily comport

[12:20] with things that were already public. I

[12:22] wanted to not betray my friend's trust

[12:24] in that way. But I did share it with

[12:26] some people in government because it

[12:29] happened really quick. It was you know

[12:30] it took 33 hours for authorities to get

[12:34] their suspect. And in that first in

[12:36] those first moments, we wanted no stone

[12:38] unturned. We wanted to leave nothing

[12:40] unturned. So I shared it with a few

[12:43] people. Don't know where it went from

[12:44] there apparently. Uh but

[12:47] >> keep going.

[12:48] >> Here we are. So

[12:49] >> all right, there you go. There you go.

[12:50] Come on, Nick. Come on, Nick. All right.

[12:53] So, you know, so what would I say about

[12:55] this? This is I can see the naysayers

[12:57] coming out and saying this. And by the

[12:59] way, I love Andrew. I think he's one of

[13:01] the most authentic people I met. I love

[13:02] him to death. But this text message

[13:06] thread screenshot sent to government

[13:08] officials. Why? What in it needs to be

[13:11] investigated? That's all I'm saying.

[13:13] What what what about this text message

[13:15] that needed to be investigated? Was it

[13:17] that somebody thought that they needed

[13:18] to investigate Jewish donors? Did

[13:20] somebody come out and think that they

[13:22] need to be investigated? That maybe just

[13:24] maybe Charlie Kirk's theology has

[13:26] something to do with him getting killed?

[13:27] Maybe just maybe is the text thread

[13:29] exposing certain people in the text

[13:31] thread that they need to be

[13:32] investigated? What does that even mean?

[13:34] I personally believe that I I don't

[13:37] know. It just makes things more

[13:38] complicated because people are saying

[13:40] what did was there concerns about

[13:42] anything in the text? When I read the

[13:43] text, there's nothing really concerning

[13:45] that the government should know about or

[13:46] that the FBI should investigate and

[13:48] personally and no stone unturned. I

[13:51] understand that point, right? But it

[13:54] does implicate that is somebody thinking

[13:56] that Israel has something to do with it.

[13:58] If if if that's the case, then I want

[14:00] people to come out and say, "We

[14:02] initially thought that Israel had

[14:04] something to do with it. That's why I

[14:05] did this." I just want people to just

[14:07] say it. Just say it. If you thought

[14:08] that, just say it. But what's the the

[14:09] part that that hurts testimony and

[14:12] credibility and rumors get started is

[14:15] because people attempt to navigate

[14:19] things in a way where they don't say

[14:21] something but they said something that

[14:23] they didn't want you to think that they

[14:24] said after they said something that they

[14:26] thought about saying when they didn't

[14:27] say it. That that's where the problem

[14:29] comes in at. Personally, if I was on

[14:32] this side of the table and I thought

[14:34] that Israel had something to do with it,

[14:37] I would say initially I thought Israel

[14:39] had something to do with it. So, I

[14:40] wanted the FBI to investigate that part

[14:42] cuz my friend comes before Israel.

[14:44] That's that's that's the easiest thing

[14:45] you can say. But what happens when

[14:47] people start going around like this cuz

[14:49] they don't want to say certain things?

[14:50] Now, it opens up a window and now the

[14:52] conspiracies come in. Well, did it?

[14:54] Well, he didn't say that. He didn't say

[14:55] that. He didn't say that he was going to

[14:57] say it. Finish it. One of the reasons,

[14:59] Blake, that I'm glad to have this now

[15:02] public, it was not mine to share

[15:04] publicly, but you know, one of the

[15:06] criticisms we've been we've received is

[15:08] that we don't care. We're not

[15:09] investigating every lead. We're not

[15:11] looking under every stone. And that

[15:13] somehow we're just like, you know,

[15:15] sweeping things under the rug. And when

[15:18] I say that we want justice for Charlie

[15:20] more than anybody else, I really mean

[15:22] it. And no stone unturned. I mean, I I

[15:25] don't know if you want to chime in on

[15:26] that part alone, but I have more to say.

[15:27] Yeah, I so it's it has been so

[15:30] frustrating to have people blow up about

[15:32] this and you know we've stated I've

[15:33] certainly stated publicly the reason I

[15:35] haven't weighed in on things is I am an

[15:37] eyewitness to events and they've said

[15:39] don't comment on things because anything

[15:41] you say can mess that up. I don't want

[15:43] to mess up any trial for the person who

[15:46] did this.

[15:46] >> We got one more clip after this but uh

[15:49] related to it but let me let me address

[15:50] that real quick because I think it's

[15:52] important to hear. He said, "I was a

[15:54] eyewitness to something and the FBI is

[15:57] saying, don't talk about it." Why?

[15:59] Because it may compromise the case.

[16:02] That is key. And this is why a lot of

[16:04] people at Turning Point ain't saying

[16:07] nothing. Because if you were a part of

[16:09] the investigation as a eyewitness or you

[16:11] have any leverage or any part of this

[16:13] investigation, you could screw the

[16:16] entire investigation up by running your

[16:18] mouth about things that are not privy in

[16:20] the public. I don't know how many times

[16:21] I got to say this. I want people to

[16:23] understand this clearly. When

[16:25] investigators are trying to get to the

[16:27] bottom of solving a crime, they cannot

[16:30] have people leaking and disclosing

[16:32] information that's only privy to the FBI

[16:35] or only somebody involved in

[16:37] investigation would know. Why? Because

[16:40] when they have a suspect B and they

[16:42] bring him in and they start questioning

[16:44] him or her, when the person start

[16:46] divulging information, they can make a

[16:49] clear determination. Whoa. How does she

[16:52] know about the bag that was left in the

[16:54] alleyway? We never made that public. So

[16:57] that means only a person involved in

[16:59] this case would even know that

[17:01] information. But when you start

[17:02] disclosing information like it's going

[17:04] out of style to everybody in the

[17:06] country, they don't have a good enough

[17:09] way to interrogate a person because they

[17:12] don't know if that person authentically

[17:14] is involved and they know things or they

[17:17] heard it on the internet. And for

[17:19] everybody out here saying they're

[17:21] covering up. They're covering up. No,

[17:23] they cannot disclose everything they

[17:26] know. Do you want the case to be thrown

[17:28] out? Do you want the killer or potential

[17:30] killer of Charlie Kirk to get away

[17:32] scot-free on technicalities and

[17:34] inadmissible evidence in the

[17:36] investigation or in the court

[17:37] proceeding? Make your mind up. And I'm

[17:40] warning everybody that's out there that

[17:42] actually care about this case. If you

[17:43] don't care about Charlie, you don't care

[17:44] about this case, then do what you want

[17:45] to do. But if you care about Charlie,

[17:47] you care about this case, you care about

[17:48] justice, you need to stop putting

[17:51] information out there that could be

[17:53] compromising to this investigation. You

[17:56] could find yourself getting subpoenaed

[17:58] in the court as well. I said this on my

[18:00] last video. If you are out in the public

[18:02] domain saying that you're getting

[18:05] proprietary

[18:06] uh uh uh investigatory knowledge or

[18:09] information, that mean you're talking to

[18:10] people that the FBI isn't talking to. or

[18:12] you are saying that a person called you

[18:14] and made a statement contrary to the

[18:16] statement that they made to the FBI. You

[18:18] are now a part of the investigation. The

[18:20] defense team want you to come and

[18:22] testify that you heard this because the

[18:25] the prosecution is saying no, we heard

[18:27] this. You're going to find yourself

[18:30] being involved and subpoenaed in the

[18:32] court testifying on behalf of the

[18:34] defense because you want to put

[18:35] information out there premature to the

[18:38] court proceeding. Finish it. I wrote the

[18:40] next clip. the people that he had shared

[18:42] history with, right? He was asked, I

[18:45] think this maybe what you were about to

[18:46] say, Blake, he was asked about Candace

[18:48] before in public and he would always

[18:49] say, "Listen, we're friends." He would

[18:52] never he would never say an ill word

[18:54] about her and if people, you know, tried

[18:56] to force him to do that about Tucker or

[18:58] whatever, he would always be defiant

[19:00] because he didn't want to be morally

[19:01] blackmailed.

[19:02] >> Exactly. Exactly. Charlie was he was

[19:04] loyal to people who had ever been

[19:05] friends to him, whether it was very old

[19:07] donors or just people who had worked

[19:08] with Turning Point. And you know, as

[19:10] long as they were not attacking him, he

[19:13] would, you know, he would he would not

[19:14] air any dirty laundry or frankly any

[19:16] disagreements he had with people. He did

[19:19] disagree with Candace on the Israel

[19:21] issue. He disagreed with Tucker on the

[19:23] Israel issue, but he also recognized

[19:26] Tucker had positions they agreed on.

[19:28] Tucker was a useful voice in the

[19:30] conservative movement on many things.

[19:32] And so he invited him to events and, you

[19:35] know, they were popular events. And so

[19:37] he would react. Sometimes people would

[19:38] just say, "Yeah, don't invite him or

[19:40] we're going to, you know, cut off some

[19:43] large donation." And that would make him

[19:45] angry. He would say this, "Yeah, as you

[19:47] say, this is moral blackmail." And he's

[19:49] this he's this Scottish guy. He's

[19:51] combative. His reaction to that is, you

[19:53] know, you know the classic like, uh,

[19:55] screw me. No, screw you. You know, that

[19:57] sort of

[19:57] >> he had and I It's one of the my favorite

[19:59] parts about Charlie is just how like

[20:01] defiant and independent he was. He was

[20:03] never going to

[20:03] >> He could not be controlled by other

[20:05] people.

[20:05] >> You could not buy and he was not bought

[20:06] and paid for. you could not control him

[20:09] uh with money. It just wasn't the way he

[20:11] was wired. He didn't actually care about

[20:12] money that much.

[20:13] >> And so what's going on here? What is

[20:14] going on here? You guys can look up what

[20:16] the text say. What is going on is

[20:17] Charlie, as I mentioned, he always he

[20:20] loved Israel. He cared about Israel. He

[20:21] cared about the Holy Land. And he was

[20:24] aware there was a surge of anti-Israel

[20:26] sentiment on the right. Charlie was

[20:27] thought seriously about this issue and

[20:29] was trying to chart a path forward for

[20:31] people who were sympathetic to Israel.

[20:33] He was playing the good cop here. He was

[20:35] saying, "You guys don't realize how bad

[20:37] it could potentially get. You might have

[20:40] to you have to change your PR." That's

[20:41] why he writes a letter to BB. You are

[20:43] losing the PR war. You need to change

[20:44] how you do your PR. You need to change

[20:46] your messaging to the American right.

[20:48] You might need to change what you expect

[20:50] from us. That you're not going to be

[20:52] able to count on just for example

[20:54] unlimited military aid from America.

[20:56] That's just not going to be tenable

[20:57] going forward. So maybe it has to be a

[20:59] more passive relationship. Maybe you

[21:01] need to give more support towards

[21:03] America. like so uh in you know some

[21:05] more support towards America and for

[21:06] example opposing Islamic migration into

[21:09] America that's one thing he thought we

[21:11] could ally on

[21:12] >> and he was trying to do all of this

[21:13] because he cared about the relationship

[21:15] and wanted to chart a way forward on it

[21:17] and he would feel angry and upset when

[21:20] people would react to this by blowing up

[21:22] and suggesting he was an anti-semite or

[21:24] a hater. He would get angry about that

[21:26] because he knew it was untrue and then

[21:29] he would sometimes vent about this. He

[21:31] would vent about this to people who

[21:32] understood that who were pro-Israel

[21:34] people who shared his view on that

[21:35] issue.

[21:36] >> Well, exactly. And and just why I, you

[21:38] know, didn't share this publicly. It was

[21:40] because this was a private message

[21:41] between Charlie and some people, some

[21:44] Jews and non-Jews where he was, you

[21:46] know, frustrated. He was frustrated. And

[21:48] that would have felt like a betrayal to

[21:49] my friend because he never said anything

[21:51] like that publicly in like a show,

[21:53] right? He said he said things with Megan

[21:55] that were very like we just played him.

[21:57] I went on Alex Clark's show and I felt

[21:59] like I did a faithful job of expressing

[22:02] what Charlie what I believed his his

[22:04] genuine feelings were.

[22:06] >> Okay, let me let me address this real

[22:07] quick and then we can move on. But um I

[22:09] I agree I understand Charlie. Now I want

[22:13] you guys to understand this. I disagree

[22:15] with Charlie's sentiment and behavior on

[22:19] this topic. But I understand him because

[22:21] he's 31 years old. Charlie has never in

[22:24] his life been unpopular amongst his

[22:26] peers. Now, amongst the naysayers, they

[22:29] always hated him because they just the

[22:30] haters, but amongst his peers, Charlie

[22:32] Kirk was spot on on everything that he

[22:34] said and they everybody loved him and

[22:36] everybody agreed with everything that he

[22:38] was saying. When when you start to feel

[22:40] the pressure that people are turning on

[22:42] you, it make you feel some type of way,

[22:44] especially when it's not accurate. I

[22:46] felt that way about Yuvaldi. I felt that

[22:48] way about when I was talking about Black

[22:49] Lives Matter. I felt that way when I

[22:50] defend police officers that I know

[22:52] didn't do anything wrong and the world

[22:53] is telling me I'm lying and then the

[22:55] police officer get off on the case and

[22:56] then nobody apologize and say Brandon

[22:58] you were right but I know what that

[23:00] pressure feel like now I'm a little more

[23:03] mature I'm a little older than he is and

[23:05] so and I got older kids and stuff so

[23:07] I've been I I've been through a lot more

[23:10] and that's why it don't make me waver

[23:12] cuz I don't give a about what you say

[23:15] about me I really don't and yeah you

[23:17] make me mad sometimes but at the end of

[23:19] the day It's not going to change my

[23:20] position. I'm not going to get all upset

[23:21] about this where I want to not do this

[23:23] or not do this. And you mean the more

[23:25] y'all talk noise about Israel, the more

[23:27] I'm going to say something. And it's not

[23:29] I'm going to say something because I'm

[23:30] defined against you. It's the more that

[23:32] I got to keep banging the truth out

[23:33] because you people want to be silly

[23:35] about it. And so I just disagree with

[23:37] that portion of what Charlie said and

[23:39] how he operated in that moment. But it

[23:41] was a private message. Now, mind you, if

[23:44] somebody if I die, I'm going to be mad

[23:46] at y'all. Y'all better not ever share my

[23:48] stuff when I die because some of y'all

[23:49] going to have your feelings hurt. If you

[23:51] know the stuff that I say and that I

[23:52] wrestle with or I'm arguing about or

[23:55] people that make me mad that I don't say

[23:56] publicly because sometimes you can vent

[23:59] to your wife about things that people do

[24:01] that make you mad that you don't want to

[24:03] be public because you're dealing with it

[24:05] in a private manner. I go to my wife and

[24:08] I complain about certain stuff and then

[24:10] we talk about it and I feel better about

[24:11] it. There's some things that people do

[24:13] to me that make me mad. I'm not happy

[24:15] with everything everybody does. Even

[24:17] organizations that I work with, I'm not

[24:19] always happy with the things they do and

[24:21] the way they treat me. But a lot of

[24:22] times I'm not going to say everything

[24:24] publicly because it's a private matter

[24:25] that we can address. And what I have

[24:27] learned as a young man growing up and

[24:30] learning and growing, things change. A

[24:33] conversation can change the way you

[24:35] think about something. One conversation.

[24:37] And so you get out in the public and you

[24:39] go, I'm done with this. I no longer do

[24:42] this and I do this and I do this and I

[24:44] do this. And then you have a

[24:46] conversation with somebody, you're like,

[24:47] you know what, that kind of makes sense.

[24:49] You know, I'm not even mad no more. Now

[24:51] you got to get out in the public, all

[24:53] that I said yesterday, I was just mad.

[24:55] So when you have wisdom, you say,

[24:58] I got dirt on you. You said some stuff

[25:00] that was inappropriate to me. I got text

[25:02] messages on you, but why would I do that

[25:05] if it's not beneficial to anybody other

[25:07] than me getting getting back at you or

[25:09] doing gossip? I had to learn that. Thank

[25:12] God I didn't learn it. I didn't have to

[25:13] learn it while I was a social media

[25:14] influencer, but I had to learn it in

[25:16] life. So, this is why stuff like this

[25:18] shouldn't even be public. But now that

[25:20] it is public, then we have to address

[25:22] these things. Okay? So, that's my two

[25:24] cent on the text message that came out,

[25:27] the Charlie Kirk thing. And and let me

[25:28] let me let me put this last part out

[25:30] here. I want y'all to understand this.

[25:32] It's not fair. Some people think it's

[25:34] not reasonable, but it's reality.

[25:36] Friendship runs deeper than politics.

[25:39] There are people that I disagree with

[25:42] that are my friends and I love them more

[25:44] than I love politics and I rather have a

[25:48] conversation with somebody who's my

[25:49] friend than to throw them under the bus

[25:51] in public and get all riled up and r but

[25:54] because when y'all done listening to me

[25:56] after I say something else you don't

[25:57] like you will turn on me. My friend

[26:00] won't turn on me. When we done and we

[26:03] old and nobody care about what we

[26:04] talking about no more. Your friend will

[26:06] be there for you. they would be there

[26:08] for your family. That's how Brandon

[26:10] Tatum is. I'm a loyal person. I'm going

[26:13] to be there for you and your family

[26:14] because our our situation run deeper

[26:17] than politics. And the reason why is

[26:19] because some people want me to get out

[26:21] and bash certain people and you don't

[26:23] really love me anyway because as soon as

[26:26] I say something you don't like, you

[26:28] unsubscribe. As soon as I say something

[26:31] that you don't agree with, I don't fool

[26:32] with Brandon no more. So why would I do

[26:35] something to make you happy when you

[26:38] ain't really got my back in real life?

[26:40] You got my back on social media when I'm

[26:42] saying what you like. I have been hurt

[26:44] by so many people that follow me on

[26:46] social media. But then people that don't

[26:48] follow me on social media that are my

[26:49] real friends have been behind the scenes

[26:51] supportive of me when y'all turned on

[26:54] me. So that's why when you say why you

[26:56] don't call out so and so, why you don't

[26:58] call out so and so? I call out the

[26:59] issue. I don't need to call out the

[27:01] person. Now, there are people that ain't

[27:03] my friends. Y'all know who they are cuz

[27:05] I call them out by name that I don't

[27:07] care. They ain't no relationship. I

[27:09] can't vouch for their character. I can't

[27:11] vouch for who they are in reality

[27:13] outside of social media. I don't text

[27:15] them on the phone to have conversations.

[27:17] And that's why they get the full brunt

[27:19] of what I'm saying.

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