Cam Higby Reacts to Charlie Kirk's Debate With a Palestinian Christian Student Over Israel

[00:00] How are you, Charlie? Yes, big fan, by

[00:03] the way. Absolutely love you. I agree

[00:05] with mostly everything you say except

[00:07] for one thing. Uh, I don't agree with

[00:09] your overwhelming support for Israel.

[00:11] And I have a Christian argument for you

[00:14] about it. My issue with it is that

[00:17] Israel helps funds Turkey military cells

[00:20] and missiles that end up killing

[00:22] Armenian Armenian citizens. How do you

[00:25] justify that as a Jewish nation is

[00:28] helping another another country

[00:30] eliminate a Christian race? So I don't

[00:33] support that. But we have a deeper

[00:35] problem with Turkey beyond Israel.

[00:36] Turkeyy's part of NATO. Yes. So we give

[00:39] them money. Yes. So it's not an Israel

[00:41] problem. That's an America problem.

[00:43] Right. I agree. So if your argument is

[00:45] against which I'm no fan of Turkey and I

[00:47] acknowledge the Armenian genocide for

[00:49] the recording. Yes. Uh which get a lot

[00:50] of people get mad about. But I I would

[00:52] put Israel aside to that for a second

[00:55] because the arms they're selling are

[00:56] repurposed American arms usually. We I

[00:58] don't know why Turkey should be part of

[01:00] NATO. I think Turkey should be kicked

[01:02] out of NATO for what they did to the

[01:03] Armenians and they don't offer anything

[01:04] to America. Nothing. And Erdogan is a

[01:08] very very bad guy who's becoming an

[01:10] Islamic dictator of a failing country.

[01:12] So I think it's an American problem. So

[01:14] I would put Israel aside in them. But

[01:16] Israel also does sell them military. So

[01:18] do so do we. Yes. But so it's a it's we

[01:22] are the root cause of that, right? Okay.

[01:24] And my the second part of my question is

[01:27] how does I US uh gives a lot of benefits

[01:30] to Israel? How does Israel benefit us as

[01:32] a partner? Oh, I'm sorry, Charlie. I'll

[01:34] answer that one. So there are a lot of

[01:38] different ways that Israel benefits the

[01:40] United States. So in contested UN votes,

[01:43] politically speaking, in contested UN

[01:45] votes, Israel votes uh alongside the

[01:48] United States and in lock step with the

[01:50] United States more than any other

[01:51] country in the world. That's 90% of

[01:53] contested UN votes. It's more than

[01:54] Canada. It's more than France. It's more

[01:55] than the UK. They vote with us more than

[01:57] any other country on the planet. Look at

[02:00] the military. Um our funding to Israel

[02:03] militarily is basically just an R&D

[02:05] program for our military-industrial

[02:06] complex. So the F-15, for example, was a

[02:10] really important aircraft that we

[02:11] produced during the height of the Cold

[02:13] War, and we didn't know if it compared

[02:14] against Russian MiGs. So we had to fly

[02:16] them in combat against Russian M to find

[02:19] out if they worked well. Who had Russian

[02:20] MiGs? Well, Syria had Russian MEGs. Iraq

[02:23] had Russian MiGs. Egypt had Russian

[02:26] MiGs. So,

[02:28] um, when Israel, um, was in conflict

[02:32] with Iraq, they flew F-15s. Americanmade

[02:35] F-15s in combat against Russian MiGs.

[02:37] They didn't lose a single F-15. They

[02:39] destroyed every MiG they came into

[02:41] conflict with. And then a year later,

[02:43] they flew them in combat against Syria.

[02:46] And they took down 80 Russian Mid21s and

[02:49] didn't lose a single F-15. Again, they

[02:51] were the first to test the F-35

[02:53] Lightning 2. They were the first to test

[02:55] um trophy systems for Abrams tanks.

[02:57] Those are systems that basically prevent

[02:59] explosives from reaching tanks. They

[03:01] shoot them down. They were one of the

[03:03] first to test Jams. Uh and then we can

[03:06] go into like the financial benefits. So

[03:08] like the Leviathan oil field for

[03:10] example, the Tamar Leviathan oil fields

[03:12] which were massive oil fields discovered

[03:14] in Israel's waters in the Mediterranean.

[03:17] Um they allowed Noble, which is a

[03:19] Dallas-based

[03:21] um LNG company in the United States to

[03:24] go into the Tamar Leviathan oil fields

[03:26] and explore them and put a rig up on

[03:27] them. The United States benefited

[03:29] immensely and we also sold that oil to

[03:31] neighboring Arab countries which helped

[03:33] um establish regular relations between

[03:35] the United States and those countries.

[03:37] Uh furthermore um Tel Aviv is I think

[03:42] the fifth largest city for tech

[03:44] startups. So what happens is a lot of

[03:46] times they will create technology and US

[03:49] companies will buy them out. So um the

[03:51] center chips that are used in uh

[03:53] Amazon's cloud storage programs those

[03:55] were created in Israel. Amazon bought

[03:57] them out. They were at um I can't think

[03:59] of the name of the lab but anyway

[04:01] mobilize another Israeli invention that

[04:03] has greatly impacted US technology.

[04:06] Mobile Eye is a technology that is used

[04:08] in virtually every car now. So if your

[04:10] car has lane assist, it uses Mobileey.

[04:12] If you your car is a Tesla and has full

[04:14] self-driving, it uses Mobilei. Mobile

[04:17] Eye is a driver assistance program

[04:18] created in Israel, bought out by Intel,

[04:21] and then sold to different car companies

[04:23] like Tesla, Hyundai, or whatever other

[04:25] company is is doing lane assist or maybe

[04:28] even cruise control in their cars. Uh

[04:29] but if your car is beep beep beep beep

[04:31] when you get too close to the white line

[04:33] or the yellow line that is moi.

[04:37] Um so to to deny that Israel and those

[04:42] are just a few things to deny that

[04:44] Israel is is a beneficial or fruitful

[04:47] partner to the United States is

[04:49] absolutely insane. Not even mention the

[04:50] fact that that Israel is in conflict

[04:52] with our direct enemies. The people who

[04:54] chant death to America, death to Israel.

[04:57] They chant death to Israel and death to

[04:58] America in tandem with each other. On

[05:00] top of that, we'd also look at like

[05:01] security asurances. So like what does

[05:03] Israel do to benefit the United States

[05:04] in terms of like preventing attacks on

[05:06] the United States. So there there have

[05:08] been numerous um attempts at attacks.

[05:11] There was a Hezbollah plot to bomb US

[05:13] embassies um across the Middle East that

[05:16] was foiled by Israel. Their intelligence

[05:17] picked up on it and notified America.

[05:19] They were going to uh there was

[05:20] terrorist organizations that were going

[05:22] to assassinate I think it was a I forget

[05:24] who it was but they were going to

[05:25] assassinate our diplomatic envoys to

[05:28] Europe. Uh that was foiled by Israel

[05:30] whose intelligence picked up on it.

[05:32] There was an ISIS plot to disguise bombs

[05:34] as laptops and fly them on American

[05:35] planes. That was foiled um that was an

[05:38] ISIS plot that was foiled by Israel. Um,

[05:40] there have been numerous occasions where

[05:42] massive terrorist attacks have been

[05:44] planned against the United States and

[05:45] Israel because they have their feelers

[05:47] out all across the Middle East and

[05:48] terrorist organizations trying to figure

[05:49] out who's planning what. They come

[05:51] across these plots and they notify the

[05:52] United States. If they weren't a good

[05:54] ally, they wouldn't tell us about them,

[05:56] right? Because could eventually

[05:58] destabilize the United States and put

[06:00] Israel in a better bargaining position.

[06:02] But instead, they notify the United

[06:04] States when there are threats against

[06:05] our country because they love us,

[06:07] because they are a good ally. So, I

[06:09] actually think that our relationship

[06:10] with Israel is one of the most fruitful

[06:13] relationships that we have with anybody.

[06:15] Well, first and foremost, you're a

[06:17] Christian. Yes. How do we know the Bible

[06:19] is true?

[06:21] From the land of Israel. Palestine. Uh,

[06:24] that's not Palestine. You want me to put

[06:26] British- Palestine? Does that help?

[06:28] Well, as a Christian, so are you

[06:30] Armenian Christian? No, I'm I'm actually

[06:32] Palestinian. Okay. So, well, uh, so what

[06:35] what And you're a Christian? Yes, I'm a

[06:37] Christian. Okay. Well, praise God. Um,

[06:39] I'm thrilled to hear that. So, but I

[06:42] think you can acknowledge that we as

[06:44] Christians have to honor the Jews. Do

[06:46] you believe that? Um, I think we should

[06:50] honor everyone. People are at the end of

[06:52] the day. But in our scriptures, it does

[06:54] say that we should bless the Jews. That,

[06:57] you know, Genesis 12:3, bless those I

[06:59] will bless those descendants that bless

[07:01] me. And we have a covenant with Israel.

[07:04] Do do you share that as a Christian that

[07:06] believe? I think like how as I interpret

[07:09] that is that like at the end of the day

[07:12] like we're all people. We should all be

[07:14] respecting honor others. We should not

[07:16] be uh hating our neighbor. I don't know

[07:18] if that was me. Uh hating our neighbor,

[07:20] you know. So he ignores it. I mean so I

[07:23] I guess you can like take it to the

[07:24] context of specifically talking about

[07:26] Jews, but I take it in the context of

[07:28] talking about everyone as a people, the

[07:30] entire nation. Could at that time when

[07:31] the Bible was written, there weren'tund

[07:33] and how many countries? You know what I

[07:35] mean? Yes. So, no. I mean, it does. Paul

[07:38] explicitly says that we should bless the

[07:40] Jews and from it, you know, we should

[07:41] honor the Jews. We're not going to agree

[07:43] on that. But, so you say you're

[07:45] Palestinian. That's great. Um, do you

[07:48] think Israel has a right to exist? Of

[07:50] course. Okay, then we can agree. Yeah,

[07:51] that's a big statement. Um, do you think

[07:54] that anti-semitism is real? Of course.

[07:57] Okay, great. Then I I really don't have

[07:58] much to disagree at with you on because

[08:01] the the major issue is does Israel have

[08:03] a rightful right to exist? I guess the

[08:05] question

[08:06] is what would you consider to be Israel?

[08:08] Well, how how do you feel about the fact

[08:10] that we provided aid to Israel to where

[08:13] they ended up literally leveling Gaza?

[08:16] Do you think our money was in good use

[08:18] to do that? Yes. Well, yes and no. I

[08:20] mean, I think just yes, right? Why is

[08:23] Gaza leveled? Well, it's because first

[08:25] of all, civilians were evacuated out of

[08:28] Gaza City and they were evacuated to

[08:30] Rafa or different parts of the strip.

[08:33] Okay. At that point, Hamas would jump

[08:35] from building to building to building to

[08:37] building to building to building to

[08:38] building to building to building to

[08:39] building to building all over Gaza City.

[08:42] And each each building they jumped to

[08:44] was bombed. Right. I I don't This is

[08:47] ultimately the fault of the government

[08:49] of the people in Gaza. Hamas is the

[08:51] government. They are the legitimate

[08:52] military of the Gaza Strip. And these

[08:54] are their tactics. Jumping from civilian

[08:55] building to building to building rather

[08:57] than establishing military bases around

[08:59] the Gaza Strip that would be legitimate

[09:00] targets for for Israel. There aren't any

[09:03] military bases in the Gaza Strip. Why?

[09:05] Because Hamasides behind their

[09:07] civilians. Why did Israel do that? It's

[09:09] because Hamas went and killed 1300 Jews

[09:12] on October 7th, unprompted, unprovoked,

[09:15] in the most horrendous way imaginable.

[09:18] And so, Israel was responding in a way

[09:20] that they would respond. Hamas invited

[09:22] that. And I guess the question I would

[09:24] have is, by the way, the these people

[09:26] kidnapped American citizens. Eden

[09:28] Alexander was just released. He just

[09:30] came home. He's an American

[09:33] citizen. There were over 200 people

[09:35] kidnapped and many of them were American

[09:37] citizens. They slaughtered foreign

[09:39] citizens at the Nova Music Festival.

[09:41] Over 400 people. So why does America

[09:44] have a vested interest and why would

[09:45] they um you know want to fund Israel in

[09:47] their war against Gaza? Probably because

[09:49] they're fighting for American citizens

[09:50] actively in the Gaza Strip. A Christian,

[09:53] do you think that it's better for

[09:55] Christianity to have Israel controlled

[09:57] by Jews or Israel controlled by Muslims?

[10:00] What's better for Christianity? Okay, so

[10:03] my so I have a personal opinion on what

[10:06] I think would be more accurate. From my

[10:08] own personal experience, I've seen

[10:10] Muslims be more receptive to the

[10:12] Christian faith than Jews. That's

[10:14] fine. They have zero, by the way, zero

[10:17] values in common, right? Spread by the

[10:20] sword, kill all Jews. The Hamas charter

[10:22] says the day of judgment will not come

[10:23] about to whom Muslims fight the Jews,

[10:24] killing the Jews. Jews hide bind stones

[10:26] and trees. The stones and trees will

[10:27] say, "Oh Muslims, oh Abdulah, there is a

[10:28] Jew behind me coming kill him." That is

[10:30] a firstderee hadith, which means it is

[10:33] the word of Muhammad. And per the Quran,

[10:34] the word of Muhammad is the word of God.

[10:36] It is just as good as the word of God.

[10:38] Okay? It is it is their religious belief

[10:41] that their religion will not conclude

[10:44] until all Jews are killed. Fati Omad,

[10:46] who's a senior official, routinely says

[10:48] the Palestinians diaspora ought to find

[10:50] every Jew they can around the planet and

[10:51] take care of them by way of slaughter

[10:52] and killing. my own personal experience.

[10:56] I have a personal opinion on what I

[10:58] think of Christian faith and Jews.

[11:00] That's my own personal experience. But

[11:02] on top of that, there are not only in

[11:04] Israel, there are thousands of churches

[11:06] all throughout the Middle East and major

[11:08] Muslim controlled countries that have

[11:10] been preserved for thousands of years

[11:12] now that get funding. So I don't think

[11:14] it's an argument on whether who would do

[11:16] it better because No. Yeah, you can have

[11:18] churches. You just might be a demi in

[11:19] those countries and have to pay special

[11:21] taxes because you belong to a religion

[11:23] that those countries don't like,

[11:25] Christianity, right? Israel doesn't do

[11:27] that. They don't make Muslims demies in

[11:29] Israel. Okay? Muslims are actually

[11:31] allowed to serve in their government.

[11:33] It's not the case for Christians in

[11:34] Muslim

[11:35] countries,

[11:37] right? Do you have any values in common

[11:39] with these Muslim countries? Well, you

[11:42] know, it's legal to rape children in

[11:43] most of them. In Sudan, the legal age of

[11:46] marriage is 10 years old. Spousal rape

[11:47] is legal. If you can marry a 10-year-old

[11:49] and you can rape your wife, you can rape

[11:51] children. In Saudi Arabia, there is no

[11:54] legal age for marriage. In Iran, there

[11:55] is no legal age for

[11:57] marriage. Actually, one of the only

[11:59] countries that has a legal age of

[12:01] marriage at 18 is Jordan.

[12:05] Okay? There there is no legal age of

[12:08] marriage in

[12:09] Afghanistan. There forced veiling. They

[12:12] force women to veil. Women can't leave

[12:14] their homes without a male guardian.

[12:17] Okay, you don't have values in common

[12:19] with these people, right? They treat

[12:22] groups like

[12:23] Christians as as secondass citizens.

[12:26] They make them demies, pay special taxes

[12:28] because they belong to a religion that

[12:29] is not the state

[12:31] religion. They don't allow women to have

[12:33] freedom. They don't allow uh anyone to

[12:36] have freedom. Right? When when God says,

[12:39] you know, whether you believe that that

[12:40] that being gay is allowed in the

[12:42] Christian faith or not, I'm not a

[12:43] Christian, so I'm not going to comment

[12:45] on it. But regardless of whether you

[12:46] believe that, right, the Bible doesn't

[12:48] say man shall not made with lay with

[12:50] man. So if men lay with man, kill that

[12:53] man. No, the Bible says um that God will

[12:56] be the ultimate judger of people.

[12:59] Doesn't say execute for being gay.

[13:01] That's what the Muslims do. They execute

[13:02] people for being gay. Whether they throw

[13:04] them from buildings or bury them up to

[13:05] their neck and stone them uh in stand up

[13:08] to their neck and stone them, doesn't

[13:09] matter, right? This isn't a godly thing

[13:11] to do. This is not something that a

[13:12] Christian would believe in. But this is

[13:13] what happens in these countries cuz

[13:16] they've both been doing it for thousands

[13:18] of years now. Yeah. I mean, man, you you

[13:20] you can't walk the streets of Tran or,

[13:23] you know, Riad and say Jesus is Lord.

[13:25] Oh, that in Riad. So, I'm You can say

[13:27] that in Riad. Yeah. You could say Jesus

[13:30] is Lord. You could say Jesus is a

[13:32] prophet.

[13:33] They they have evangelical churches in

[13:35] Riad. That's interesting. Well, you can

[13:37] say that. No. No, they don't. They

[13:40] don't. I'll get to you next. So, part of

[13:42] my family is recent family this Meridian

[13:44] is from Tehran. They are Iranian and

[13:47] they've been a Muslim. No, they are

[13:49] Christian. You know what I mean? Okay.

[13:51] They've lived in Tehran their entire

[13:53] life. There's a big community that they

[13:54] have churches that they go every single

[13:56] Sunday. They are proud of who they are.

[13:57] They wear their crosses out. Not a

[13:58] problem. But um let's let's go talk

[14:00] about like let's talk about Egypt,

[14:02] Syria, Jordan. They have thousands of

[14:03] churches there. They have a big they

[14:05] Christian faith over. Yeah. Egypt and

[14:07] Jordan being the like least worst

[14:10] offenders in the in the world. in the

[14:13] Arab world. They are Muslim majority

[14:15] countries and run by Muslims and the

[14:17] churches are protected,

[14:19] right? They're just they're just treated

[14:21] completely differently than literally

[14:23] everyone else. I mean, look, I I don't

[14:26] want to You think the Coptic Christians

[14:28] have been treated well the last 10

[14:30] years? I mean, come on, man. I mean,

[14:32] it's there was a mass persecution of

[14:34] Christians over the last decade. They're

[14:36] leaving these countries. A lot of their

[14:38] heads are being cut off. I mean, it's

[14:40] terrible. It's just sad. the the like

[14:42] lack of global awareness that these

[14:44] people have. It's like this guy says

[14:46] he's Palestinian. He was raised in the

[14:48] United States. He's probably never left

[14:50] the United States or cracked open a

[14:51] book. And here he is arguing that

[14:54] Christians are treated well in the

[14:55] Muslim world. This is ridiculous. Make

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